Let Joe Know: HOA gone wrong
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Resident Kathleen Daurio dug through board records and said she found nearly $40,000 used for items and meals that she said didn't benefit homeowners.
"I mean, they bought laundry detergent and almonds and vodka and baby wipes and just about every time they bought air fresheners," said Daurio.
Read more about the subsequent court case: www.abc15.com/...
HOA's should be outlawed nationwide.
Don't get why people even allow it.
People have no choice. It is a way for city governments to tax the people through property taxes but then shift the burden of maintenance and services to the homeowners. Many cities force developers to set up an HOA before they are given permits to develop. Then the city is able to increase their property tax income without having tp provide more services.
I would say, F those city's!!! F the HOA!!!
As the reporter noted early in the segment, there are likely a lot of good HOA's out there. I avoid them myself. But if the issues are limited to 0.01% of the HOA's then I think outlawing them or even suggesting so seems rather extreme. I hope this situation turned out okay for the residents.
Jerry Faulkner You are all idiots, you can live in places without HOAs
Looks like embezzlement. Someone needs to go to prison.
Agreed
Yep.
guessing it would be civil and they would have to show in a civil trial the board violated the rules of what money can be used for.
Looks like he donates to the right Republican Judges
@@mattsz7313 be really weird for a repub judge to help out a dem
Never - EVER - buy a property in a community with an HOA. I cannot stress that enough!
depending on the city you maybe out of luck and have no other choice unless you build your house and get your own land
For real f a HOA they are a pain in the az
Well said!
Truth.
Written in contract to avoid being an invalid perpetuity, illegal, an expiration date..that vote to "steal" property rights of those who disagree,(ownership is a property right) and threats, can force new agreements and contracts and a renewal of hoa. ?????? But read the informations and interpetations of "law of perpetuities" nowadays...property rights?..contracts, ? Votes..? Forced? By expired corporations..,, ?????? Extortion, embezzlement,fraud, theft.?????
When I purchased my home in Mesa I put N/A in the line for joining the HOA, initialed it and had the builder initial too. This was before the development was completed and the HOA was set up so I was exempt from the HOA rule. They threatened to take me to court but after the HOA lawyer looked at my paperwork he told them they would lose and I wasn't subject to their rules. It really chapped their hide.
I bet it did!
Excellent
It’s kinda sad when HOA is almost as powerful as a judge isn’t it
And the real kicker, if you sell your house it will probably sell for more than any other house in the area, simply for not having a shitty HOA attached to it.
simply beautiful
HOA's suck. I will never buy a house where an HOA exists!
I unfortunately moved into an HOA in S.C.. we as homeowners are not allowed to participate in meetings. This appears to be an FFA (FREE FOR ALL) I was told that it was up to the developer when she wants to turn it over to the homeowners.
Why are we paying association fees with no say so? Is the developer just padding her pockets? I came from a wonderful HOA. Never again down here!
dj1200 “Required home’s good be painted every 3 years,” 😟. Sounds like HOA member has a family member who paints houses.
@Scott M. I live in an area where that doesn't seem to be a problem (and does not have a local tyrants association). So, I don't see what your hypothetical problems have anything to do with HOA's. The more land I own, the less I care about what the neighbors are doing. Do you live in a town that has a junkyard? Is there a bus station nearby? Train station? Churches? Airport? Military base? Homeless shelter? School? All of these places can generate nuisances, even with an HOA.
@Scott M. Ever hear of Heidi Fleiss? If she can run a brothel in Beverly Hills, CA, then I doubt an HOA will do anything about it. In Lake Conroe Texas, the HOA didn't stop Frank Manzo from painting his house pink... So much for that... And all of Beverly Hills may as well be an HOA.
@Scott M. - Said the boot licker.
Politicians in training, learning to steal from the people they serve.
nice. thats where it starts right? parasite's boot camp♧
Yep. HOA should be outlawed
Absolutely!
That's *EXACTLY* what I was thinking too.
There will always cartels trying to get subsidized by their fellow man. They just want to sit back and collect.
"There are some good HOA's" - Said no one ever.
Abhishek Singh didn't you notice that Katie, the female anchor, was laughing when he said that? look at that part of the video again
NAME 1>>>>>>
There are some good HOAs.
The ones that get dissolved.
Abhishek Singh said me. HOA’s keep hillbillies like you far far away.
Buck E So they are only for stuck up pricks. Noted explains alot
They need to get the state bureau of investigations involved. These actions are not merely civil violations; they're criminal embezzlement of funds. If the information in the story is accurate, the president of the association, at the very least, should receive jail time.
i wonder what happen to this... this is a classic case of criminal embezzlement.. if every thing is right any they can prove the money when in to his personal home he needs to be in jail....
Yeah, if they want to commit that much criminal activity, they should be to CA. CA is know for that.
Randall Flagg M O O N thats spells correct
Randall Flagg ! "The "walking dude" is real !
not only that Wire fraud , money laundering and Tax fraud (state and federal) since it's taxable income.. money laundering across state lanes.
This is a federal case. at this point ..
Strange to me that HOA’s are still considered of legal entity considering the lengthy history of poor repute. This type legal entity needs to be abolished. Have you ever heard a happy HOA story? I haven’t.
My last HOA i lived in tried to pick on me, when i fought back they panicked… i dont want another lawyer so i just moved but im sure they are stealing from all the owners
@badinstinctsTH-cam I don’t think that proves what you think it does. Your comment is like a gas station owner saying he doesn’t mind increased gas prices, yeah because you profit from it
@badinstinctsTH-cam Of course you love it, it is stuffing your pockets.
That's exactly what's wrong with HOAs
@badinstinctsTH-cam LMAO yea CLEARLY I can see why!
@badinstinctsTH-cam Let me first begin by saying you are naive. Most people will only buy 1 house at a time and use it as an actual home, not just another property. With no due respect, your wife is probably lazy and doesn't know what she's doing. Also, if an HOA were to actually take the time to develop homes within the community, then I can assure you our money would be well spent. But guess what? They don't. And you wouldn't know this because like I mention earlier, you are naive. And finally, I find your "0.1%" claim to be invalid as my neighbors and myself are very capable of making our homes attractive.
I'd not heard of HOA's before TH-cam led me down that particular rabbit hole - I'm still trying to get my head around why anyone would agree to the idea.
The original sales pitch was to maintain property values, but unless they could guarantee that on paper..worthless
@@wjhandy in the property market condos and such like properties are stagnant due to the competitive nature of all condos, the buyer can simply say for that money I expected more,or for that money I expected much more than what's on offer, when it's a buyer's market they tell you what you are going to get and what price they will pay and they are completely in control including just walking away from any deal.
Bottom line though is that when they go bad they are horrible. I have lived in one and won’t do it again.
It's a legal dictorship over your own propery, that can legally harrass and extort money from you.
How true - wierd bloody concept!!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
When people tell me they live in a beautiful HOA community, I just laugh and say "how does it feel to pay them fees to tell you how to live"
its true that the HOA has control, however its the majority agreement. if you want to live close together it needs to be that way, if you like freedom go where there is more space and freedom. personally i don't do well with others. i fart a lot .people don't seem to like it .i haven't been sued for it yet, but i heard they were trying to fine cows 100 dollars and pigs 50 dollars !! they found a oyster that farts, i wonder what they will do about that.
shawn corrigan no you don’t lol I live in a close neighborhood and we all get along without any HOA
Mine doesn't tell me how to live at all; hell the rules are ancient artifacts by now. However, they do tell me when I need to pay the dues.
@@organicdudranch the only neighborhood I have had a problem with is a neighborhood with an HOA.
@@organicdudranch this is america. That shouldn't even be a discussion.
That crook should be charged with fraud and theft and locked up.
Embezzlement
I've been looking to buy a house and I'm doing my best to avoid HOA areas.
My HOA is sick asf mostly cause younger people run the neighborhood
@@okietc1889 sick in a good way?
Good luck on finding your dream home and if you do, the move is safe
That should be pretty easy to do. Just let your real estate agent filter HOAs out.
@@okietc1889 *because
Sounds like the judge might be part of the home owners board
Hilarious joke Hilario
Sounds like the judge might have chills up his spine seeing the corrupt HOA president get sued.
Judge probably has a home and lives there too.
Nah, the judge didn't want to have the county have to run the HOA...
No joke that is for real.
My first question to the realtor when looking at a house is “Is there an HOA?”
your first rule to your realtor should be no HOAs.
Yup! First thing no HOAs
First and last! No HOA. 😮
HOA should be Illegal
nah. you just have to fix better regulations of HOAs. here in sweden they are common abd there are very little pronlens.
And on top of everything he doesn't even tip %15? The people with money are the cheapest. Sociopaths, SMH.
Kaleb Kelso “the people with the money are the cheapest”
Well I mean, isn’t that usually how you end up getting richer....
Of course it is. I think there are honest ways to make money, you just don't make as much.
I deliver groceries in a pretty rich area. Like the cheapest house is worth millions. They’ll leave a nice tip and then pull it moments after delivery for no reason. There’s being cheap and being just plain unreasonable and rude. If you can’t or don’t want to tip for a service then don’t go there lol
Maybe I'm just seeing things but I think they even added wrong: 61.32+10.68=72 and they write 73. I think they gave bad/wrong tip with someone else's money--privileged and politicians always act this way
Should be 20% .. period
best advice, DO NOT EVER BUY A HOUSE, CONDO, ETC WITH AN HOA..
I almost signed a deal on a winter home in Florida and when I was at the lawyers he mentioned HOA and I said “there is an HOA”? Lawyer said yes wasn't it on the listing, I said no, he looked it was under other. I didn't even see that but luckily I refused to sign and lawyer agreed. The owners said they would sue and my lawyer said “make his day” go right ahead, they will own the property for nothing. Of course they didn't.
Yup hoa sucks!!!
In general, you can't buy a condo without a condo association.
@@joepalmer3208 got it ,thanks
@@joepalmer3208 they going to make mailbox or car associations next? Hmm, maybe cardboard box fort associations for the homeless?
Living in an HOA neighborhood would be a one-way trip to prison for me.
HOA =Hitlers Of America
Jeremy Girard
No, you buy in a HOA area, you basically don't own your home. The HOA tells you what you can do.
cougarhunter33 well. you wont catch me living in any neighborhood like that. id be locked up by the end of the first week
HOA = Hitlers Of America
Exactly how I feel. Not because all HOAs are corrupt or unfair. But because I am not in control of my own home and money.
We had a problem with our HOA when the president hired her mother to be the secretary and was paying her over $30,000 a year and not really doing any work, and then hired her husband to be the handyman and paid him also over $30,000 for hardly any work. He did some wiring work in the clubhouse that was not up to code and had to be professionally redone. When things started to come to light the board used our own HOA fees to hire an attorney to defend the board.... We had enough and forced them out, but sadly the newly elected board offered amnesty to the previous board and let the president walk.... next time I'm buying a house without a damn HOA
morkcallingorson and everything they did was legal too. haha!
I don't think HOA "amnesty" would prevent the state or city surrounding the HOA to get away with Fraud and or Theft of community property. The real issue would be presenting enough evidence to city or state police and having the prosecutors take the case to charge corrupt HOA leaders.
What would cause you to sign your rights away in the first place?
UncleEarl97 It's legal , just stay away from HOAs
That's what you should of done to begin with.
As an Aussie who moved to the USA and Nevada , I have to say the hoa in most places are appalling, they try to control every move of residents . The pathetic petty unnecessary fines where I lived were ridiculous and I don’t know how they can get away with it . I will never buy a condo again and am glad I sold
They are pirates, and the members are part of it.
What a brilliant women! She should be on the board.
She probably is, hopefully the extra money doesn't ruin her like it does so many of us.
Better yet ... there is no board as ALL HOA's need to be declared illegal and disbanded.
Our "HOA" is the neighborhood pitching in once in a blue moon to fix or redo the sign that we have at the entrance of the neighborhood, also a few neighbors plant flowers by the signs as well. We don't even have an HOA we are just a bunch of people that are nice to each other.
That type of HOA forced the govenor off of his street..
it depends on your neighbors. Some are very messy and or noisy. Several dogs barking all night...every street seems to have a karen/kevin.
@@casaraku1 when you say that, do you mean a white person that harasses black people or what? I can’t figure out what the hell a karen even is. I thought it had to do with people using the ‘rules’ to harass someone, not someone with barking dogs breaking the rules. I just want to know what the exact meaning is here.
@@DVSnark Hey, so it's been a month... Do you understand the meaning of the term "Karen" now? Because if you don't, then I can provide it for you...
How it should be!
Thank GOD I don’t live in a HOA neighborhood sounds like cash cow scam set by individuals with political friends
You go girl, you're my hero. You homeowners pull together.
Wow this guy is a crook I hope he does some jail time.
Ben Walker he wont cause none of it was illegal. its all civil court matter cause the people "entrusted" money to him. cops will say its the victims fault for trusting him. its same way when employees steal from where they work. employee theft is not illegal. cause employees were entrusted with that stuff. go ask cops about theft of entrusted property.
Wrong. Theft is theft, crime is crime. The only deciding factor is if a government prosecutor decides to take up the case and file charges against a corrupt HOA Board member who committed a misuse of funds for their own personal gain. It's like your favorite sport, take football, if a "foul' happens and the Ref calls it then a penalty is applied. But if the Ref didn't see it or chooses to A) ignore it or B) thinks it doesn't rise to the level deserving a penalty... well then the perpetrator of a foul/infraction/fraud/crime gets away with it. It's still a crime, it's just that they may get away with it.
Theft of over $38,000.00 is not illegal? Are you insane?
This is why the mafia exists, this guy needs to loose a pinky
Mex cart More like a shattered knee cap.
This exact same scenario is why I ran to be on our HOA Board. Our board was buying booze, holding private parties, paying for new ink cartridges for personal computers even though we do not print our reports. I got every single one of the removed from the board. It took almost 5 years clearing up the books and paying off debts to get us back out of the red. Ultimately, we determined that that board had us 1 month from filing bankruptcy...
So bayou wanted in on the party.
@@number-1-Saxman ?
Failed politician: Now what do I do?
Satan: I have an idea for you...
Great comment.
One of my worst mistakes was buying my vacation home in an HOA development.
So, I fixed it by purchasing 4 additional lots.. Now I have 5 votes! Ha I run that sucker!
"Some only see what they wanna see. Claiming victory, aahhh but that's not me. Stop look'n up, start look'n in. Be your own best friend, stand & say..HEY, this is mine..." -Van Halen, 5150
Legally it doesn't matter how many lots you own you only supposed to have one vote
zan w
So, you've read all my HOA rules, have you?
Interesting how I VOTE my 5 and a snowbird neighbors 3 proxy votes at every HOA meeting.
Well. the ones I have an interest in that is.
Dude, be better, do better
Sure you did lol. The internet... where everyone is rich
Jonny Test
What sort of feelings does that information bring up for you?
Trust me, I'm not in the 1%.. maybe in the top 40%, maybe?
America is a wealthy country, and I did very well in private banking for 25 plus years.
I worked 60 plus hours a week for many years.. well over 10 years before I took a proper vacation. I gave up relationships and friends to become successful.
That's what it takes sometimes.
2 failed marriages, 10 years of being a single parent.. and 60 hours per week at work or more. I thank God and my parents for giving me the knowledge and strength to persevere!
Also bought a home within walking distance of my folks... My Mother and Father helped in so many ways.
That is the power of family! My Mom and Dad have 69 years of marriage.. isn't that awesome?
It is what it is..
I don't care what you believe.. at all.
Good luck to you
Why did the judge deny the homeowners' request? It sounds like a clear cut case of financial fraud.
There never has been, nor will there ever be a good HOA. Most start off with good intentions until the evil people get in period.
Actually our HOA has been pretty decent. The fee is only around $100 per month and includes 100mb internet for free, access to a community center with a full workout center including classes for $5 each and free pool access (We have several HOA pools with free access for HOA only), and free watercraft rentals at our lake. It's a decent deal.
@@pepethepatriot7524 youve found a unicorn HOA then
@That Flippin Guy check your facts, tokyo has won safest city in the world for the last 3 years in a row
www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/09/safest-cities-tokyo-singapore-osaka-security-urbanization-economist-intelligence-unit/
edition.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-safest-city-2019/index.html
www.traveller.com.au/worlds-safest-cities-the-safe-cities-index-2019-shows-tokyo-at-the-top-as-sydney-overtakes-melbourne-h1ho1x
do a fact check before you speak, HOA's were one of the worst ideas an American ever had
@@nczioox1116 he found a lie
Someone said exactly the same thing about communism..
I will never live somewhere where there is a HOA.
+TheGrayman1234 same here, I won't let any one tell me how to live on my property. HOAs are just liberal lunatics.
I used to live in a development with an hoa. The development was an old trailer court where they were buying out the land that the trailers sat on and building houses slowly. It was about twenty percent done when I moved in. The hoa got on me many times for small things like cutting my tree down that had damage from a storm , paint color of my door, putting rails on my deck. The people in the trailers had garbage all over the place , cardboard taped over windows all kinds of things. I was actually sent notices for fines . I ended up not paying the hoa for over a year and then I moved out of state.
When I had to move last year because the state DOT expanded the highway, my first statement to the realtor, when looking for a new house, was don't show me any properties that have an HOA.
She hates them as much as I do.
Hoa is your local gang. Gotta pay due to live.
Then you will always need to avoid condominiums or (in state's that have them) cooperative apartment complexes. Boards exist in all of them as a matter of logic, and common sense. There is no landlord, so if you have no maintenance fee the place becomes a vermin infested lawless run down wreck. With a monthly maintenance fee someone needs to be elected from the residents to administer it, hire the maintenance people and maintain the place. Single family homes are great for healthy younger people, and you have control of your castle but not always for seniors who don't want snow removal duty or lawn cutting duty or exterior repair responsibility. Would you want your gramps up on a ladder?
Sounds like the Judge is receiving funds from the HOA.
I live in New England and we don't have HOA's here. New Englanders mind their own business, and respect their neighbors. HOA's must be a Sunbelt concept.
Filled with people who left the NE.
Its based on communism.
@@PlasmaBurns No it's based on something worse. It's more like Feudalism. A HOA is more like small Fiefdom of some Baron or Lord.
You are full of it too.
@Star Trek Theory "Judaism is Communism." - Rabbi Steven Wise
"The Judge denied their request for a receiver to take over HOA finances". Dollars to donuts that the Judge presiding over this case sits on an HOA board.
Typical " know it all" ?
My HOA hit me up for extra payments, to install Sprinklers, water lines/meters, just for planting a few flowers. I suggested putting some Rocks there instead of flowers.
Sending this one to my HOA board. “We are watching you!”
The good kind of Karen! Chasing the dollars....love her for that!
She’s not a Karen. What? She’s just trying to look out for her own money how is that Karen like behavior
@@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis he probably means by the way she looks. Truth be told, "Karen" is a mindset, not an appearance
Yeah she's not a "Karen". She's an investigator
@@failsrus96 Totally talking about how she looks. I had the exact same thought when they showed her but it goes to show, not everyone who LOOKS like a Karen is a Karen, some are Kathleen's.
Surprise. If you look at the restaurant receipts, you see that he’s also a bad tipper.
🤣🤣 emblezzlers usually are!!
I don't understand how no hoa members were never beaten up or harmed in any way? They're incredibly disrespectful and relentlessly petty !
I sold my condo in so Cal last year where my HOA fee was $536/month. When I re-located to WA state, one of the things I said to my realtor was, "if you show me anything with an HOA I will RUN in the opposite direction". Lessons learned and not to be repeated. I am now happily HOA and mortgage free.
Do not ever buy HOA home. You will have nothing but stress.
True that!! I am facing that right now!!!
+Vance Huynh us too! nightmare!
+Pooper Scooper if this is any help. Understand your cc&Rs and bylaws and attend meetings regularly. Also request the HOA financial documents ex. The account balance sheet.
+Pooper Scooper go to your property manager they should have a copy of the bylaws. As far as the bank statement at my HOA only board of directors are allowed to view it. You can request a copy of the accounting balance sheet they should show all financial expenses. If the property manager is refusing to release those documents than legal action would need to be taken.
+Vance Huynh TH-cam always posts my comments twice, sorry about that. At the meeting, both the board and the property manager refused to give us the bylaws. And they have never recorded them with any state agency. We will have to hire a lawyer, I'm just hoping we can sue for our legal expenses as well. It's absolutely corrupt. They hold secret elections and pass down the presidency from friend to friend instead of a homeowner vote.
And all this time I was thinking of buying an apartment with an HOA. Screw that.
@@rxonmymind8362
It depends on the neighborhood. In my neighborhood we get warnings when our grass is to long and if the issue is not fixed after the 3rd warning. Also I careless if you have 5 cars on your driveway. Some families have kids that can drive now or if a guy got money and can afford all those cars. Dosent bother me. So long as they keep it on their property.
When she said they bought vodka and baby wipes I'm screaming 😂😂 😭😭😭😭💀
When in the history of real estate has an HOA EVER done anything right??? I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would let these scumbags take away their rights...
Never buy a house with an HOA.. if your neighborhood tries to place one refuse.
all HOA leadership needs TERM LIMITS; double signers on any expenditure! fully declared and purpose of any bill. pre spend budget! voter approval!
@@ricktimmons458 just don't buy into a place with an HOA period.
On an neighborhood app, a new lady to the subdivision wanted to reactivate the hoa which was abandoned a long time ago. She said she was having an issue with a neighbor. I replied back no f ing way. If she was not a nice person and her neighbor did not like her, than please move. She knew what she was getting when she purchased her home.
@@freddieflintstone5544 How would she know that her neighbor would give her problems when she bought the home?
One of my best friends bought a Koreatown Apartment in 2013 and after less than 2 years of living there is he noticed nothing was being upkeeped, even though he was paying HOA fees, he found they had installed $4000.00 security system when less than $300.00 of security systems were in place. He eventually became the president of the HOA and kicked out everyone that was corrupt and had everything fixed. My friend was a career appraiser he knew everything about property and worked from home, so it was almost perfect for him to destroy the system.
It he is a good person, he will move to dissolve the HOA permanently and give the people their homes back to them.
Why do people continue to give people like that power? Why would you live in a neighborhood that has HOA?
No sane person wants the job so it normally goes to the nuttiest, unqualified and morally conflicted person in the community. I know this from experience.
One reason is becuase it keeps a lot of people out if the HOA is setup fairly decent. My parents have lost property value from habitat for humanity houses being down the road another one of their properties had a guy that sat on his land for over 40 years only to give his son the property in his will and that land very fast without much warning turn into a trailer park so a very isolated area with 20 neighbors suddenly have 30 more neighbors and dropped the property value by a lot and they have been unable to sell the cabin due to the new neighbors. Another reason is the minorities that like to give a reason to be disliked avoid HOA’s. I’m not saying all minorities are bad just a fair amount trash outside the house. I’m just saying HOA’s if it’s done well keep the area more clean and not looking like a Arkansas Backyard.
I have a condo in a HOA community. They are very hands off with most things. They only meet once a month and all money taken and spent has to be transparent. There are good HOAs they just don't get noticed.
Daniel McGillis no one talks about good HOAs only the bad ones
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to pay somebody to tell me what to do with my property that I paid for. That makes absolutely no sense.
The real crime: the tips on the restaurants receipts
Aidan H YES!!! I saw that too!!!
I never tip and I never will.
Tex Watson why’s that?
Well yeah, because it's not their money so they'll do whatever they want with it
Old people. Good thing Corona is targeting them. World would be a better place without all these old useless fucks living in the stone age they think they're so much smarter than everyone else.
Why anyone would live where there is a HOA is beyond me. Never heard of a good one.
Liberals love them. They like living with lots of rules.
Guy steels $38k and judge wants them to reconsider?!?! What the actual fuxk?!?!
Tom Foolery Those HOA'S Have Some Good Retirement Policies. Yo $$$$
Judge is getting bribed
The are in on it together, leans and disputes are benchtime and judgements. The whole thing is very, very currupt.
This is why I’ll set myself on fire before I live in an hoa. I’ll be damned if I work my ass off for my own house, then have some pompous windbag tell me what I can do with it.
Don't take any ----! 😎
Is there a HOA gone right?
This is an old video just finally saw it. Lived in these Condos in 2010-2012 definitely was pretty shady HOA, I had a lot of violations for having a BBQ on my balcony. What was the craziest one was I caused some damage to the plaster on the outside of my garage. I quoted about $300 for myself to fix it on the high end. ( I worked with a contractor at the time) But I also had 3 other contractors come by to quote repairs, just to have everything in order for the HOA because the repairs were coming out of my pocket. Quotes come out to $800 - $2400 for the 3 contractors. The HOA refused all of the quote and said they have a contractor already. I was billed $12000 for Repairs. I ended up moving after that it definitely was not easy to leave because of how they tried putting a lien on the condo for $12000 because of refusal to pay that amount.
you sound like a moron.
Literally going through this same thing right now. From the spending, to the ignoring a petition for removal, all the same stuff. Been in a suit against the HOA for a year and a half.
serves you right foe being stupid
The government needs to step in and put restrictions around HOA's. There is very little law governing these crime families and its about time there was. The other thing to do is just not purchase a home that falls under an HOA. If the properties become abandoned and they can't sell - then there is no money coming into the HOA and it collapses. Once the HOA folds, buy the house.
The governnent is corrupt
The "government" is full of crime families now, and you want them to step in to handle your HOA.
Oh you said it so right when you used the term “crime family”.
NO ... the government needs to step in a make HOA's illegal.
Isn't anything over $1,000 a FELONY? I would ask for a new hearing with a different Judge. And push for an outside company to handle the books.
Michelle Cayson not if the money was entrusted. its same way if employee steals from their job. theft of entrusted money or property is not illegal. ive had $50,000 money and property stolen by employees in 3 years and cops didnt arrest anyone. well they arrested 1 person. me for assault and kidnapping for trying to stop the employee from robbing me and holding him till cops got there. yeah ask your local cops. this is why companies hire mexicans or move factories to china. and why no one wants to create new jobs cause no one wants to work for free so all their employees can rob them.
now i have to pay shitty wages until i can recoup the loss.
Michelle Cayson the judge is probably an HOA board member
its called embezzling and its illegal.
I owned a condo years ago, paid $300 a month in condo dues, but when the owners wanted answers about the spending; we were met with silence. I sold my condo recently, and I have vowed to never purchase another condo nor a home in an HOA community.
I believe this, I've had dealings with a condo board after my mother's death. I will NEVER live anywhere that has a condo association.
if I'm going to pay a butt load of money to live somewhere. I going to do what ever I want to do the house. so I'm never going to live in a place that has an hoa.
I've NEVER heard a good HOA story, IMO people are insane that move into areas that have them and when you decide to I don't feel sorry for you when it bites you.
Story time. In our old house my family had wild dill growing in our front yard for multiple years as it randomly appeared one summer. Right before we moved to our new place our HOA decided to attment to fine us for the "Weeds" in our yard. While our next door neighbor literally had a tire in his flower bed and regularly didnt mow his lawn. Now get this. After the dill appeared in our yard that first year my sister had actually taken seeds and thrown them on the ground for whatever reason. By definition this doesnt make them a weed after that as there had be effort put in to plant the dill. So my father repsonded to them with that information and we never heard from them again. Moved to a new place without a HOA.
We also had other problems with that HOA but my father just ingored most of there BS
We have been having trouble with our HOA on bogus charges lately...this story really makes me think they're pulling the same stunt
They are, they got new schemes every where now's days POA and Coa. Boas. It's ridiculous because if you sign ur A Doa.😅. Jokes.
Find a house without elsewhere. Not to sound racist nothing like that ok. Hoa is main reason why everybody moving the ghetto areas. Because there's No Hoa in site.
It causing some financial issue among blk Americans.lending to gentrification. Rent rise. Police issues as well know . But on topic I think Hoa have to go or at least be monitored better and HOA boards &licenses should be taxed at a higher rate. Also fee limits that can't be written off as tax deductible in a business its board members
a real shocker headline would be “HOA gone right”
I need to join the board member. Nice extra income.
for most of them it's the MAIN income... unfortunately....
Moral of the Story:
Don't buy a house within an HOA area!
“Let the record show, that we have a record”
-HOA
I really appreciate my HOA. They're very helpful and friendly, and very attentive to any and all reasonable requests. And they're very professional and courteous in asking me to maintain my property with very reasonable requests of their own. And if I don't do things exactly they way want, they just send a courtesy note thanking me for the effort and clarifying - they never, ever just send a terse SECOND NOTICE as if I just blew them off entirely. Said no one - ever.
Hahaha
Not gonna lie...
Jesus you had for a minute on that.
Don’t ignore them. They can foreclosure ur house….
I read your first 5 words ... you are the problem. They lie is transparent.
HOA's have expenses that you wonder about. I admire people who stand up to these boards and can argue with them.
I really admire people that are intelligent enough to NEVER buy a home controlled by a HOA
I bought one home in a community with CC&R’s and an HOA. It was a nightmare. My advice to anyone considering making what is the biggest investment in their lives in a community where you have little or no control- DON’T DO IT !!!
Why would anybody move into an HOA is beyond me.
Had our house built in 03 in a HOA and have nothing bad to say about it. They actually do lots of good for the neighbors here. Very quiet and just a great area to live in.
kcmann4152 what’s the point tho? i also have an 03 home in a small neighborhood, 10 houses. get to know your neighbors and get friendly with them and there is no need for a HOA. save yourself the money and frustration. just build respect with your neighbors and then you will never have the problems HOA loves to claim they solve with their monthly fee
Imagine that, a corrupt and overreaching HOA. Like finding a unicorn...in a unicorn herd.
In a dimension where unicorns are the dominant species.
The problem with the concept of a homeowners association is the arbitrary nature of those who hold the power. There are no checks and balances and for the most part, the enterprise remains unregulated by the government. It is basically a free-for-all. There is no due process. Nobody is required to provide residents with checks and balances to show where the money goes. You are basically just trusting that those who control the flow of funds are using it for the stated purposes.
Also, by initially agreeing to abide by the terms of the HOA, you are implicitly agreeing to abide by future rules and bylaws that are enacted. Any future ridiculous bylaw or rule can be enacted. Over time, as people come and go and personalities on the board shift, what was once the best HOA in the area can turn into Stalag 13 very quickly. IMO, if there is any organization or entity in need of regulation, this is it.
Skierxman and everything this hoa did was legal cause money was "entrusted"
"I want this place shpick and also shpan!"
HOAs remind me of when kids make a club with like the most archaic form of governing and they immediately start abusing power and start stepping on each other
And you can only be in the club if you abide by their rules
Your problem is you don't understand HOAs were created in the first place. Developers get free or substantially reduced cost for materials in exchange for gaurs teeing that the same items must be used in, on and around the house for many many years to come.
The fix is simple. They need to be illegal. HOA board members should do serious jail time.
I will never, never live in a HOA again. A small group runs everything
Notice how the driver smiles with that pos when he got in the car with him after ignoring the interviewer. Nothing says I was actually doing all that like smiling on camera with your lawyer
There laughing at the fact they are going to bill the homeowners for the Attorney fees
A true home owner is someone who can do as they choose to their home, as long as they are abiding by the codes and laws of the city. You can save money and do your own landscaping, maintenance, etc. Rather than throwing it away to a HOA. I live in an older subdivision with nice one story homes and thank God there is no HOA.
I also live in one of those vanishing one story homes of a development without a HOA and in the center of our city. We once had a conman soliciting people in our neighborhood to start a HOA for things we didn’t need like security, maintenance and landscape control and another monthly bill to pay him. Last I heard he is still riding that rail we sent him out of town on. What a scam. I wonder if this con has ever been played elsewhere. Sounds like an HOA after the fact would be as illegal as a protection racket.
“Why don’t you move if don’t like it” says it all. He can go to jail forever. My aunt went to jail for the same thing as a lawyer.. literally.
"I'm sure there are good HOA's out there"
Yep, maybe, but there could be a T-Rex dressed in a tutu and dancing the electric slide out there too.
Agreed 100% & that would be a gay, new-age, vegetarian T-Rex that won't wear or eat fur!!
The T Rex is more likely to be found.......
I love HOA videos. They make me even happier to live in rural New Mexico!
Good reporting. This is what I remember NEWS actually covering. Things that bring awareness to the community.
One of my written in stone requirements when I bought our house and land was NO HOA! We lucked out and our place has no zoning either! Fee simple ownership RULES!
...these crooks on the board in this video need a few years of "government service" as we like to call it.
Debtors in control and in your pocket?
@@MR..181 Actually the person in control is the one cutting the checks every month. That is the secret the holders of debt don't want borrowers to know. But if I owe you it is entirely up to me as to whether you get paid or you have to start foreclosure proceedings, which is a big money loser and you most def DON'T want to do. And I picked a place that I could afford. Too many try to buy at the max of their ability to pay, in the best of times, and run in to trouble when times get lean, as they always do. I'm a disabled Vet and my pension more than doubles my mortgage payment, so it's never an issue, the money is ALWAYS there, the mortgage ALWAYS gets paid- and the world can go f itself for another month!!
I'm retired and both my wife and I have plenty of $ from SS. Nobody controls my stuff but ME, Bunky. Both me and wife have credit scores over 800. Creditors line up at my mailbox begging me to borrow money from them. But I don't need to and the only debt we have is the mortgage and a hospital debt we've made a settlement on that we can easily afford. The hospital was happy to work with us there on something that we could afford and didn't leave us short. It's a rather small payment, but the hospital is just happy we pay them something every month, which we do. Again, WE control whether they get paid or not and their only alternative is to get a settlement lien on our house and land and wait until we die and the property changes hands to collect. At which point I won't care!
You are in control of your own destiny, not some creditor. You just have to learn how to negotiate how to get what you want/need and how to live within your means. Good luck!
But for us, all we need to get paid every month is to just keep breathing!! To paraphrase the song- "That's the way you do it, money for nothing and your payments free!" :)
I would NEVER live anywhere that has an HOA. Nobody is going to tell me what I do with my home and only the Government is allowed to steal my money!
HECK YEAH!
I think HOAs should be banned for good, on a federal level.
" Wait so your saying that every single board member has been involved
in a trip and fall accident...."
" All three people have fallen off balconies?"
Embezzlement if I’ve ever seen it.
HOAs shouldn't exist at this point.
“You touched me!” *Guy* “No I touched your thing.” That’s doesn’t make it sound any better, and obviously all those guys were making profit off the whole scheme to be so defensive about everything. Hope the guy ends up in prison and hopefully he snitched on anyone else involved.
So in other words, from what everyone is explaining about HOAs, you’re basically willingly signing a contract and moving into a neighborhood with a gang problem but instead of forcing their will through means of violence they force their will through contracts and legalities? Who in their right mind would do that lmao?
God bless you for shedding light to this issue. We are experiencing the same predatory activities in our north Miami, Florida community. We are fighting back 🙏
This is one of the many reasons why I will never live in a HOA community.
And once this is brought to light, the UNLICENSED AND UNREGULATED MGMT CO usually resigns! It amazes me that the news always forgets to mention that the hoa mgmt co knows what is going on when they reimburse for stuff like this story talks about!
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Thank you! I started one!
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Yo!
jasontman36 the people in our HOA are on it and fighting to shut your speech down. Not one step back!
The Schifft is hitting the FAN...I moved OUT of an HOA area on to 5 acres in a valley with a running stream, I will never deal with an HOA again!!!!!!!!!!!
When there's no oversight corruption becomes rife. This board member should be in the dock for embezzling HOA funds. Anyone paying out these funds without proper receipts should be alongside for incompetence if not collusion. Then they should have to repay the stolen money even if they have sell everything they own - homes included!
SirHenryofRR the money was entrusted so nothing criminal was done. ask your local cops about someone stealing entrusted money or property. they will tell you its legal
I'm supposed to believe cops who steal money on the grounds that "it may have something to do with the sale of banned narcotics"?
I would trust the election promises of a politician first.
By the way: You're wrong about 'entrusted' money. It's legally money *held in trust* for another person and not the use of the trustee other than for necessary expenses or fees. to violate that trust is embezzlement and theft.
SirHenryofRR tell that to cops were im at
Joe Smith
STOP with that damn entrusted crap. To have it be held in a trust fund does NOT mean you can use it for self enrichment. You can't take world cruises, prostitutes, have limos drive you around or pimp tour house.
CEO have gone to jail for misuse of company funds so can an HOA board member.
REMEMBER PEOPLE!
If you live in a community without an HOA and they try to start one, you DON'T have to join!
They can't force you to join, pay fees, follow their rules, etc.
And if they do try to, call the police or your local city/town council.
This is why I NEVER, EVER, wish to buy a home that has a Homeowner’s Association Fee attached to it. Beware!!!
Here is the outcome.
www.abc15.com/news/let-joe-know/mesa-hoa-homeowners-oust-board-amid-allegations-of-misspending
Good for those homeowners!
Thanks!!
but did he go to jail???
he can't, the jist is if your entrusted with money, it's a much higher bar to make it stealing. The thing is stealing is taking what clearly isn't yours, in this case, he was trusted to spend it wisely and he spent it less wisely, but he had the authority to spend the money. The failure was in doing so wisely basically. However they can now that they've replaced the board, hire an investigator/forensic accountant and pursue civil action against him. They can recoup the funds.
the Gate repair and him spending the money on his own home is a RED flag right there....
He can. It's called embezzlement
I'm so happy I don't live in an HOA hood. I remember watching an episode of Penn and Teller's: Bullshit where an HOA had a man jailed for not maintaining his lawn.
Living in an HOA is the most ignorant thing a person can do in my opinion...
Why are people paying anyone to tell them how to live then fine them cause they don’t like something
We looked a condo unit once and found out it was part of an HOA. Asked the real estate agent for a copy to read over, and found out that if you has drapes, curtains, or blinds, etc on your windows, (inside obviously) and a neighbor didn’t like seeing them, (from outside) and complained, you would have to change them. This was one of many ridiculous things in the HOA “BYLAWS.” We said , “Ya, ok...stick this condo...”