Algae has 2 main pros against normals crops for biofuel: - you can make a farm almost everywhere, no need fertile soil, just sun and water - they do not need freshwater, recirculating sea salt water, produces best result.
I would love to make an Algae farm using 3' diameter, 15' tall tubes. Valves and tubing throughout to simplify harvesting. Bubblers for aeration, etc...
There's a local company here in Maine that is doing the algae grow-sink process . They just expanded their operation to include a facility in my hometown. Exciting stuff!
If you want to really turbo charge the oceans all you have to do is switch the whale pump BACK ON. We switched the whale pump off the oceans WERE turbocharged.
@@thethegreenmachine Right now they've been selling the service as a carbon offset, mostly to tech companies. They're called Running Tide if you want to dig into them deeper.
@@alantupper4106 This looks amazing. For me - a bit too simple, to be honest :) I can't believe that we already have such simple and relatively straight-forward solution. Perhaps it would be worth doing deep-dive into this.
@@JustHaveaThink green fuel works if decentralized small scale individual basis. However this would put big business out of control. I have calculated a series of Microsystems of energy which produce more than house needs
In 2010-11 I worked on the process engineering design of an algae biofuel project. Producing fuel at that time was a non-starter as the ability to get enough sunlight into a mass that would produce any significant amount of algal oil was near impossible. The people who had worked on an algal strain for a decade tried open circulating channels, plastic tubes and a number of other ways to get light into dense slurries of their specially selected algae. We finally convinced them to look at using the algae to produce edible oil and a high protein flour substitute from the spent algae. Both had excellent properties for high value food use. The problem is that even after genetic modification they just aren't productive enough.
By what baseline metric are they not productive enough? Do you mean to be able to compete economically with current fossil fuels? Any links much appreciated.
I’ve been trying to eat more seaweed ever since reading about how quickly it grows and how nutritious it is. I really think it’s going to become a staple of many of our diets in the future in order to reduce the emissions of our food.
It is great to hear about a Carbon Capture system that for once does not create more CO2 than they can recover from the atmosphere, or result in more oil extration.
Agreed. I've thought about the Carbon Dioxide issue for several years. I have always questioned the motives behind the hydrocarbon industry cheerleading CO2 capture and sequestration. IMHO, after looking at this from several reality based angles (unlike the unreality based happy talk pushing MO of the 🦕😈🦖 fossil fuelers), the fact that the best present day technology to keep the CO2 concentration down (which is used in Nuclear Submarines, which are forced to surface every six months because they cannot keep CO2 below 8,000 PPM after that time period) cannot get CO2 levels anywhere near 5,000 PPM, never mind the 350 PPM we desperately need to get back to in order to avoid the worse effects of the Sixth Mass Extinction now in progress from excessive GHG emissions, evidences that the proposed CO2 reduction technology, euphemistically called "capture and sequestration" technology, is a fraud. 👎 IOW, all the technofixes out their refuse to admit that the GOAL here is NOT to keep the Hydrocarbon Industry profitable. The GOAL is 350 PPM, period. Anything else is simply wishful thinking. the only reality based way to solve this problem lies with Biological solutions involving rapid photosynthesis. I think Duckweed is better choice than algea. 🧐 Duckweed, the plant that may save mankind by enabling our species to live symbiotically, instead of parasitically, with the biosphere. "renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/renewables/ethanol/msg217/#msg217
Also it's the best source for omega 3 DHA and EPA, the ones that we need desperetaly, fish oils gets oxidized quickly, and feeding animals with this would give them omega 3. And also this can be used for recycling water, there are low technology ponds that can do this now with aquatic plants, but if we add algae it could make it faster.
Lots of respect for you Dr. Campbell as I follow your channel, but, the damage is done when it comes to our climate, biosphere and environment..We are merely waiting for the consequences to catch up..These feel good techno fixes are just that, a way to distract ourselves from the obvious, and feel good, as the planet continues to fall apart around us..we can't stop any of these positive feedbacks..The amount of CO2 and methane alone that is released from the permafrost and shallow sea shelves, will dwarf any progress that is made..Plus the hundreds of other feedbacks...But, you can't educate someone in a TH-cam comment, you can only plant seeds..It's harder for someone highly educated, which means highly indoctrinated, to see these issues from the proper perspective, I include myself, which is why I know...Every human civilization to ever exist has self destructed, ours is no different, except the scale of the damage, which is thousands of times more severe.."The earth is littered with the ruins of civilizations and empires that thought they were eternal" "All of our exalted technological progress, civilization for that matter, is comparable to an axe in the hand of a pathological criminal"---ALBERT EINSTEIN
Biofuels for aviation seem one of the best uses as Jet Turbines are not picky about what they burn (unlike gas and diesel engines) as long as they don't freeze at very cold temperatures. However as long as they cost more than fossil jet fuel, won't get used unless forced to.
Or fossil fuel subsidies disappear that fossil jet fuel would finally cost what it was meant to. And if people still insist on utilizing the least energy efficient way to get around and spread diseases as they do so then government should levy a biocide tax on fossil jet fuel.
Small gas turbines can be 60% efficient and as you said not fussy on fuel. These would be great for electrifying trucks and other heavy equipment until large batteries become cheaper.
Why bother with electric cars and heavy transport changes if Alge can replace current bio fuels and become a CO2 capture rather than triple the mining industry footprint and recycled batteries won’t be able to do it on their own.
Another great video Dave. 👍 We are still working on our modular system to cultivate algae using the emissions from biomass boilers and waste water, with nutrients, from a milk processing plant. The algae can then be dried using the heat from the 1.5 MW of biomass boiler or heat from the 1MW GSHP already installed on site. The info re Asparagopsis taxiformis is excellent information which we will now explore further. When we get the process right then modular system could be deployed onto farms with livestock and biomass boilers so farmers could cultivate their own algae feed additive for their livestock.
So pleased you have rested this. I’ve been optimistic about Algae and Kelp for 15years plus. I feel nature / biology has great strength to be harnessed. Looking forward to seeing commercial solutions
THESE VIDEOS ARE ALWAYS TOP SHELF AND SO WELL DONE WITH INCREDIBLE INFORMATION. .......... SURE WISH THIS TECHNOLOGY WAS AROUND WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL IN THE 60'S & 70'S
Seaweed has been harvested in the west of Ireland as a feed supplement for generations, but modern farming has also caused algae blooms in rivers from nitrogen run off, so it's not all good news.
This is what I've been dreaming about for 20 years. I'm certain that biofuel from algae should be a major success towards a green energy future. If We put as much effort into this as fusion then it would be solved already.
Fusion will never be economically competitive against conventional renewable electricity sources, so fusion research is a waste of money. Algae at least sounds plausible. I wonder how it stacks up economically against other clean sources of liquid fuels?
@@incognitotorpedo42 Well, you say never, but that is an opinion isn't it? No-one can say for sure. I would encourage you to use a phrase like "it seems highly likely xxx", "all evidence points to xxx", or something similar to that, in future statements about scientific experiments. Otherwise no-one will take you seriously.
@@jthadcast corn ethanol is totally different beast, and I don't support it. Algae just needs a tank of water. It's much different than traditional farming. And it's a simpler life form that's easier to genetically engineer to maximize production.
Thanks for another great video! The potential of algae seems limitless, because it grows on its own. Unlike machinery, your algae facility will upgrade itself if given enough sunlight, water and nutrients. That's why the idea of growing algae for carbon sequestration actually sounds plausible. If there's any method of removing carbon from the atmosphere that might actually make a dent in the enormous amount we emit, surely it's this one. You said that it would require "extremely careful stewardship" to ensure it didn't get out of control, but surely this could be done by careful placement of the algae farms (putting them in the "desert" of open ocean, nowhere near coastlines or reefs) and using species that don't normally cause blooms in the wild. We can figure this out. As for the other uses of algae... There are so many of them. It's wonderful. I remember debating people on the Internet about using algae for biofuel back in 2001. It's been over twenty-one years and it seems the researchers are finally just about there, thanks to Exxon.(!) I don't know if algae biofuels will be energy intense enough to use in aviation, but algae is pretty much the only feedstock that might make sense as a biofuel. It has more potential than dead ends like ethanol, anyway. The other uses of algae you talked about are all wonderful in different ways. Bioplastic is pretty new, but it might be big in the future. Then there's more immediate applications, like growing algae on an industrial scale for use as a protein feedstock. I bet there's a huge potential market for that. And the industry it creates will develop technology and experience that'll help in growing algae for other uses. And who knew that Asparagopsis Taxiformis could nearly eliminate cow farts? Apparently some scientists did. What a great discovery. If they can farm it on a big enough scale, this stuff should be added to cattle feed all around the world. It'll help the cows feel better _and_ reduce methane emissions. Win win!
Back in 1965 I wrote a paper for a botany class I was taking about using Chlorella, a single cell green alga, as source of food and oxygen. Chorella would recycle carbon dioxide and human wastes for its growth and reproduction. Chlorella could be grown on roof tops on city building that had flat roofs. There was also the potential for use in space travel for recycling carbon dioxide and human wasted to produce food and oxygen.
now imagine giving up the food and oxygen so that a f35 has pleanty of fuel to make bombing runs and co2 out the wazoo, because that is what they imagine more jet fuel.
Algae are the founders of the feast on planet Earth. We need to be able to produce at scale, which is the rate determining step for the algae industry to move forward as a regenerative alternative. Thanks for highlighting the need to scale and for investment! Focus on biofuels for decades has tainted the algae prospect; but algae are so much more than just biofuels! AlgEternal is one of those companies with a solution to grow microalgae at commodity scale, with two non-fuel products already on the market, that needs investment to scale production and for marketing. Great video! Hope it gets the right folks thinking!
Algae don't just grow from sunlight (and love or good intentions), they also need a tremendous amount of N en P: so if you really want to grow them on a large scale it needs a lot of fertilizer. Albeit it will be probably more N efficient than animal production but less financial efficient.
That depends on what (and how) is extracted from the algae. If it is "biofuel" (H and C; without N, P, S, ...), then you are left with the "rest" (algae minus biofuel) which you can probably just dissolve in water and call it a fertilizer.
The idea of ocean furtilization can be cost affective if one could get a long term floating source on nutriants. I was thinking that woodchips might stay afloat long enough to provide the missing minerals.
Here in the sea between Sweden and Finland we have a problem with algae blooming/ booming every year due to much fertilizer making its way into the sea via groundwater and river streams. These algae show up as a natural response to human action on the land creating unbalanced contents in the water. As nature will always do. I assume algae farms near the coast could "fix" this problem, benefit from the fertilizer problem and making it a solution. I don't see it happening any time soon tho. Some oil fields that have been closed for decades are able to produce again, scientists claimed for many decades already that crude oil is being produced by the planet on a quicker scale as we are told. If humanity learns to use this energy respectively we wouldn't even run out of it. The reason they want crude oil to be called a rare mineral is merely a genius move from a business perspective. Having said that, if the day comes we can make algae fuels/ plastics efficiently i will be very happy.
One very important Algal Oil study was NASA’s Omega project driven by Dr Jonathan Trent, now founding director of UpCycle Systems. What the Omega project demonstrated was that the primary limitation to algal production is fuel, specifically CO2. For starters the fuel is in the atmosphere in very small quantities, and secondly when you do have it in sufficient quantity to promote explosive algal growth, the next problem is feeding that CO2 to the algae with out killing them through water acidity. Thinking about it there may be a solution by creating high CO2 content microgranules that the algae can attach to to absorb the CO2 directly rather than from the water.The Omega project explored growing the algae in plastic bags that float on the surface water in a water farm environment. The project looked at the ideal location was adjacent to coastal sewerage farms drawing on released CO2 and nutrients. Send Jonathan a text, I’m sure he would happily contribute.
As an old cowboy whose first 4-H project was a.black Angus steer grown as a beef producer, I can say irrefutably that if dairy farmers can feed their stock with the 2% supplement with, perhaps, some tax incentives (maybe not) they would do it. If the supplement could replace some element of the existing feed used and not impact milk production and not appreciably increasing the price of the feed it could be rapidly accepted in the dairy industry. I can see how to do that reasonably quickly. Two element of quick acceptance to be clear: not increasing the price per ton and not impacting milk production. As to ranches cattle are grown for beef. The price factor remains the same and second factor becomes weight production. Price per pound on the hoof is critical to a ranch or feedlot success. As a beef segment a feedlot vertical would have rapid acceptance segment after several independent simultaneous demonstrations in different areas and climates. Range beef is an different business than feedlots. Methane reduction from feedlot and dairy operations should be substantial based on the data in this video. Can you or others comment? I grew up around lots of dairies and worked several ranches as a younger man. Hell older man in 2005/6 as a respite from my profession. Hard but fun being horseback fulltime again. The concept of feed as an element of climate change mitigation is fascinating and attractive especially to a lifelong entrepreneur. Comments?
Greetings from Downunder Stuart. I have been doing some of my own research on this topic recently. Australia has been researching this subject and recently I found a research paper regarding AT. It showed that there was a yield GAIN of up to 14% along with over 90% drop in emissions.. This was achieved using about 1% by weight of feed. If an economical way of producing the feed can be found, it has fabulous potential
@@scotttaylor4991 the key is the cost factor. If the ingredient were produced at possible.moderate scale, do they have a project of the finished cost at the facility? (Pre-shipping cost? )
The algee/ pytoplacton solution for carbon capture makes a lot of sense. The problem is that much of the ocean is a desert. There is plenty of oxigen but not enough minerals to promote algee growth. Several companies have been experimenting with ocean furtilization to try and produce results. I would be very interested to hear more about this. If you could research the idea.
A research group in the Tri-Cities here in Washington state, found they could fossilize algae in about 15min. Oversimplifying here, but basically they run a slurry of algae and water through a fancy pressure cooker and end up with crude oil. The upside is the process is not picky about which species, or combination of species are used. The downside is it's incredibly energy intensive. Was trying to find more information on this and if any head way had been made to make this more economically viable. Was hoping you covered it here
OMG was going to listen the the podcast but could not work out how to play it at 2x speed - as i consume almost all youtube at 2x and would use faster if it was available. Love you channel and its now a regular part of my monday mornings
I try to live on locally farmed produce as much as possible, but one of the few products I consume that's imported to my country are algae (Chlorella and Spirulina). I would love it if we had more local production of these superfoods, and more acceptance of them in fellow consumers.
Right now I'm in college and when I grow up I want to work on algal bioplastics/fuels. To my knowledge, the main problems are harvesting/dewatering and oil extraction, and maybe fertilizer.
Great video 💪 As retired rower I always wondered if nothing could be done with f*cking algae that was always being removed but still disturbing heavily our sculls... A Rowing Olympic course has about 2,2km x 150m x 3m (that's a gigantic pool I know) maybe we have been wasting a precious resource all this time (but it's fresh water so maybe different type of algae here) Continue with the great work
There have been a few companies messing around with the various metabolic pathways to optimise carbon allocation in the algae (replication versus lipid / direct manufacture of petrol / diesel / other alkanes) - one such was Joule Unlimited who seemed to offer quite a promising approach - even managed to scale up to a demo plant - but ultimately went bust as they couldn't raise funding.
The potential for kelp farms along the coast is enormous; from what I’ve read, massive projected growth in seaweed farming here in the US is due to its profitability and versatility across industries. So far it’s grown for: Nutritional supplements, vegan protein, carrageenan content (for innumerable uses), green nitrogen rich agricultural fertilizer, and biofuels on an experimental basis. The potential for large scale industrial uses is growing with the economies of scale, and when a few of these billion dollar processing facilities are in operation, we may see a serious shift towards seaweed as a multifaceted, and profitable, solution for many separate environmental challenges.
I see 1 acre in my imagination being used like this... 1.Elevated run-of-thtube PV panels covering the entire acre. 2. Agrovoltaic regenerative farming of plants and animals underneath. 3. Bio-Algae tubes used to cool PV panels. 4. Thermal Electric Generator (TEG) tech converts the thermal variances into electricity. 5. Vortex micro-hydro power plant at the bottom end of the Algae production, closed-loop system as it meanders thru the solar farm. 6. More vortex power plants.. Place the PV panels on contours, divert a portion of creek flow into controlled ditches back and forth across the field until it dumps back into the same creek. Turbulent vortex generators placed at each drop of only 6 feet. The amount of water retention in the soils equates to aquifers re-filling, springs start coming back which then feeds the sustainable supply of water that grows the Algae. 7. Fresh, purified water is a byproduct of the system that can be harvested or fed directly to animals below the PV panels or cycled thru Algae tubes.. I could rant for hours about what a modern-back-to-the-future farm would look like.
What's really good about some algae types is that they grow in salt water unlike most plants that need fresh water which is in short supply in many places.
There are a number of issues with algae production, but there are solutions to most of them. 1. Algae grown in shallow water, when it dies and falls to the bottom, tends to decompose (into C02 or methane). If the water is shallow, both gasses escape into the atmosphere, but in deep water it is compressed into dry ice or methate. But useful sunlight doesn't penetrate much further than 100 meters for algal growth, so it should be better to grow it in shallow water. The solution to this is to pump air into the water to prevent anoxia and to encourage fish to eat the algae, and convert biomass into protein. 2. Algae, like most plants and animals, needs ATP for cellular function, and unfortunately, there is very little free phosphate in the ocean, other than near river deltas or other sources of land based nutrient. Most of the world's phosphorous is locked up in phosphate deposits, having been putting there primarily by sea birds who ate the fish that ate the algae. As seabirds hunt at sea, but poop on land, phosphorous has an inefficient nutrient cycle, one which would need to be solved, because to grow that much algae would require between 10 and 50% of the world's phosphate reserves, if no nutrient recycling occurs. 3. Marine algae is expensive to harvest, because it contains a lot of salt. Washing the salt off requires precious fresh water resources. A better use for the algae is as feed stock for seafood, poultry, swine and cattle. Particularly seafood, as it is the most efficient form of protein production (other than insects ....) as the fish don't have to grow large bones against gravity.
This video remindedme of some technology i heard about in the iet magazine 10-15 years ago called thermaldepolymerisation (TDP). From memory the case study was a chicken farm in pennsylvania. The point being TDP is old tech, it was used by Apartheid South Afria to produce synthetic oil in the 70s/80s, its just generally expensive and inefficient. The PA case study found if you assume the waste organic matter being fed into the process from a chicken farm, was just that, waste, then it was something like 80% efficient. Combining TDP offshore, with an algae or kelp farm producing organic matter, and last weeks video producing power, presumably you could manufacture green oil/gas.
Growing algae and, not processing it but simply pumping it down into depleted oil wells could be a good way to draw down CO2 out of the atmosphere. We have to get back to 325-350ppm somehow and using algae for this may be the quickest and cheapest way to do it...
One has to wonder if this wouldn't be the best long term solution to unrecyclable plastic waste as well. You would be sequestering billions of tonnes of carbon and removing the threat it places on the surface of the planet. While I'd argue that recycling has the benefit of displacing the need for extracting more petrochemicals, it generally is far more energy intensive than pushing something into a hole. Atomically it all came from deep underground anyway. We broke the molecules apart and rejoined them into long polymers. Heat and pressure are the solution whether humans do it at the surface today or the planet does it over eons.
I guess you will not have 100% sterile algae slurry. Which means the organic compounds will be decomposed by anoxic bacteria producing methane. This hopefully can be captured and used. Still, having a hot, wet bioreactor full of dead algae +1km below the surface imho is not optimal.
Hey, finally something I can talk about with authority! That DOE project, my startup is going to use technology that came out of that program. The problem with biofuels is the same as many of these green alternatives-they simply can't compete in costs. We could ramp up algae production to make biofuel, and replace many fuels we use. But why would we when it's like 5-10x more expensive? News flash, we're not going to. It won't come into widespread use until there's some kind of regulatory change such as massive carbon tax. Or the technology improves so radically that it is 5-10x _cheaper_ than regular oil.
FYI Sciencedirect is a database of research articles from scientific journals, not a journal themselves. The paper you link to was published in the journal "Current Biology", and aggregated by sciencedirect.
The problem with aiming on cows is that they expel the carbon of the food they eat, which is reabsorbed by the fields that produce their feed. Meanwhile, humans go out of their way to pump into the atmosphere carbon that had been sealed off for millions of years. That's why algae fuel & plastic are the best alternatives.
Even if it’s not combined with fish farming, I’ve seen a lot of scientists saying that we need to give seaweed planting the same attention that we give tree planting.
The best way to farm algae for purely carbon-capture purposes is to do what we should be doing with replanting forests: recreate the natural ecosystem. Instead of creating one-species monocultures, you recreate dense ecosystems filled with different algae that can appropriately help support nearby marine life. The wonderful added benefit of such ecosystems is that once they are up and running, they basically maintain themselves and algae is naturally reproduced at optimum rates that is then eaten and processed by the wildlife. You would just need to check the ecosystem stays in balance. Thus marine life can also be supported at the same time as carbon capture (which is the same process that should be done for forest ecosystems simply to support the species that live there, but their carbon capture is much slower than algae ecosystems, so less applicability in that area). Otherwise, more traditional algae farming for plastics and protein substitutes (whether it's providing protein for human production or even just for animal feed) would be great, particularly considering it can be farmed in arid lands that have little wildlife or agricultural applications. Generally, being able to use the algae both to produce a specific product and used for carbon-capture would provide the greatest advantage, but being able to proliferate algae-based ecosystems would sill be a wonderful advantage on its own, so the benefits will depend on how it is grown/used.
There’s this old book I read decades ago called “The Millennial Project: Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps” (yes, crazy title) and growing, then sinking algae, was one of the ways discussed to fight climate change and hunger.
@@JustHaveaThink Yes, it was. It was a very Hydro-Society focused book, with none other than Arthur C. Clarke giving the proposed science in it a big thumbs up.
@@suzannehartmann946 This method is used if you really need to permanently remove carbon from the environment due to climate change. Consumption will rerelease the carbon.
About 30 years ago, in the 90s, I invested in both the algae oil and the bio plastics making a lot of money with both. So this,to me seems like old news.
I'm pretty sure that open algae runways are not suitable when rigorously targeting a specific algae strain due to inevitable contamination. Especially with a gmo as the chance of it escaping to the greater environment would be very high. Which means you need an expensive enclosed system.
scaling is never going to a problem .... make it cheap enough to produce and the market will follow. Best part is Algae can be grown anywhere, it does not require fertile land, we have a lot of unused land.
I am surprised you did not connect 'Precision Fermentation' in this Algae talk. Tony Seba sees 'Precision Fermentation' as the next revolution in technology in the manufacture of Protein, Artificial Meat products etc. Imagine meat that can be tailored/flavoured to your needs, totally sterile, which does not emit any green house gases, uses very limited water and can be scaled up.
The concept of meat produced from any plant source is a non-startsr to me. I imagine most segments of the economy would agree. Perhaps it will change in a generation or two but if doesn't grow above ground and not have roots it will never be beef. Market it as a heath food or a non-meat hamburger with protein and you'll have a market segment today.
Algae and Kelp are the food for Krill and farming. Dumping Iron oxide dust will improve and nurture both. There is a profound history of seaside communities that have harvested kelp to improve the soil. Slime will save your world.
My senior project in college was a feasibility study of colocation of geothermal water and algae growth. I also toured an actively producing algae site in Arizona, colocated with a cattle farm for the nutrients. Unfortunately there is no funding for it and the useful strains are secret and patented and restricted from being in an open environment, generally. I was hired to run an algae farm straight out of college but the project was scrapped and a whole lab of equipment left in a storage, including a controlled growth chamber, bioreactors etc. Hoping they were donated to the University there where they are still researching it. Luckily green energy is cool again, since that's the field I ended up in...
I'm a researcher that worked with algae for a couple of years. Now I'm developing a novel method for production of polyhydroxy-butyrate from carbon monoxide. Ask me anything.
I thought I read somewhere, that the problem with trying to farm algae for oil was that the amount of nitrogen fertiliser needed, used almost as much energy to produce, as the oil supplied. I'd be happy to be told I'm wrong.
Some of the algae can grow in wasterwater while cleaning the same. This means it will solve one of the major issue with biofuel (they need water for manufacturing). Also, it will incentivise the industry to now clean their waste water as they know they can obtain biofuel as an end product from the process of cleaning the water. Moreover, the revenue costs of this process are less than the cost of biofuel, which means it will be profitable to sell biofuels. Additionally, biofuels are cheaper than fossil feels, which means buifuels have a big and ready-made market. So, basically, we have cleaned wastewater, obtained biofuel, and also sucked some carbon from the atmosphere.
7:23 to me, looking at all these algae in a lab and ponds is completely the wrong approach. We need to cultivate and expand the use of KELP in the ocean, to help rebuild those ecosystems while making useful products. It's maddening considering the fact that these oil majors have Already invested so much infrastructure and R& D into building offshore platforms which are perfect for cultivating kelp in the ocean
@@JustHaveaThink As a lay person I have a hard time imagining what the negative ecological effects of offshore floating kelp farms could be. It seems like the floating farms if managed properly would be Great habitat space for all kinds of ocean life especially for especially for the juvenile stages of many kinds of fish.. Do you think you could interview a marine biologist sometime who might shed some light on what the negative environmental impacts of offshore floating kelp farms could be, if there are any?
Algae batteries also seem promising. I can imagine a large space in everyone's backyard dedicated to an algae farm which could be used to help power a home. This in combination with solar technology on the roof, might be all you need.
The section about the variety of Red Seaweed reducing methane production in domestic animals is a really potent economic example of why carbon taxes, (or carbon-offset tax rebates) are important. Few other things would actually incentivize farmers to add the seaweed to their animals diets, and by extension incentivize others to start and operate aquaculture facilities to meat (get it?) the demand.
My dad had a wedding ceremony near the beach in Seaside, FL... during a red tide. We were all coughing like crazy and found out later what was going on lol. We were like a couple hundred yards away too
There is an existing company, Lanzatech, that uses a bacteria to generates plastics and jet fuel from carbon. It is operational today. It has some initial facilities in China and the US. Would be a good topic to just have a think. It could have a major positive impact.
Maybe a conveyer machine could bring it slowly onto land where it would simply dry. Maybe such a machine could be adapted to lift the algae onto a floating island of itself! The carbon density is impressive!
There's an unfortunate problem with the seaweed for reduced emissions from cattle - the compounds from the seaweed get in the milk. Last I heard, that was the stumbling block that had to be overcome, and had thrown the method out of favor.
Regarding meat, lab grown meat should soon be as cheap as slaughtered meat. If the carbon footprint also is lower then it be a huge impact for the better.
For a countries which have a large production of dairy, the algae added as a food supplement to reduce methane looks promising. I should be noted, that it only reduces one negative effect of raising cattle. It must be introduced, but only to make the remaining part of the meat and dairy industry more eco-friendly, not as excuse to carry on with the current destructive level of meat production. That is an uneasy and complicated message to communicate…
Sounds like a partial solution. My Chinese partner introduced me to eating seaweed twelve years ago. When we visited my home town of Dawlish she was wandering around picking up seaweed saying "Oh, we can eat this.' In relation to this see also multi-layered sea cages to grow sea foods in small areas in sand scraper towers. We tend to buy it now from Chinese supermarkets in London's China Town. But I see no reason if we were living by the sea why we couldn't pick & cook it. So long as we can ensure the cleaness. Seaweed does need cooking with some seaweeds needing hours. I saw a documentary on Ireland the other day & was surprised people died. Trying to eat it raw. Did not have the fuel to cook it. In Greece I cooked lentils etc overnight on embers ending up as delicuous. That might have worked IF the Irish people could have found a fuel. Talk about the need for Government intervention.
I did a great deal of research into algae and extracting the lipids and converting into base oils for refining into fuels and/or nutrients and cosmetics. It's a really tough industry to break into. Takes lots of cash, lots and lots and lots of cash investments. $$$$$$$$$$$$$. But it for sure it is a viable industry.
Algae has 2 main pros against normals crops for biofuel:
- you can make a farm almost everywhere, no need fertile soil, just sun and water
- they do not need freshwater, recirculating sea salt water, produces best result.
I would love to make an Algae farm using 3' diameter, 15' tall tubes. Valves and tubing throughout to simplify harvesting. Bubblers for aeration, etc...
There's a local company here in Maine that is doing the algae grow-sink process . They just expanded their operation to include a facility in my hometown. Exciting stuff!
Excellent news Alan :-)
Who pays them?
If you want to really turbo charge the oceans all you have to do is switch the whale pump BACK ON.
We switched the whale pump off the oceans WERE turbocharged.
@@thethegreenmachine Right now they've been selling the service as a carbon offset, mostly to tech companies. They're called Running Tide if you want to dig into them deeper.
@@alantupper4106 This looks amazing. For me - a bit too simple, to be honest :) I can't believe that we already have such simple and relatively straight-forward solution. Perhaps it would be worth doing deep-dive into this.
Just what I was waiting for, I look forward to your videos on my Sundays
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy them :-)
@@JustHaveaThink green fuel works if decentralized small scale individual basis. However this would put big business out of control.
I have calculated a series of Microsystems of energy which produce more than house needs
Mate your ability to catch new ideas and start ups then bring the information to us truely astounds me!
Thanks for all yr hard work🌞
Cheers. I'm glad you like the videos :-)
In 2010-11 I worked on the process engineering design of an algae biofuel project. Producing fuel at that time was a non-starter as the ability to get enough sunlight into a mass that would produce any significant amount of algal oil was near impossible. The people who had worked on an algal strain for a decade tried open circulating channels, plastic tubes and a number of other ways to get light into dense slurries of their specially selected algae. We finally convinced them to look at using the algae to produce edible oil and a high protein flour substitute from the spent algae. Both had excellent properties for high value food use. The problem is that even after genetic modification they just aren't productive enough.
By what baseline metric are they not productive enough? Do you mean to be able to compete economically with current fossil fuels?
Any links much appreciated.
I’ve been trying to eat more seaweed ever since reading about how quickly it grows and how nutritious it is.
I really think it’s going to become a staple of many of our diets in the future in order to reduce the emissions of our food.
I agree
I don't get why it's so expensive for a small pack of thin sheets.
@@artboymoy I guess if it is from China the travel & processing?
Eating too much algae may not be good for your body.
plenty of e numbers made from algea and seaweed, its in your food already.
It is great to hear about a Carbon Capture system that for once does not create more CO2 than they can recover from the atmosphere, or result in more oil extration.
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Agreed.
I've thought about the Carbon Dioxide issue for several years. I have always questioned the motives behind the hydrocarbon industry cheerleading CO2 capture and sequestration.
IMHO, after looking at this from several reality based angles (unlike the unreality based happy talk pushing MO of the 🦕😈🦖 fossil fuelers), the fact that the best present day technology to keep the CO2 concentration down (which is used in Nuclear Submarines, which are forced to surface every six months because they cannot keep CO2 below 8,000 PPM after that time period) cannot get CO2 levels anywhere near 5,000 PPM, never mind the 350 PPM we desperately need to get back to in order to avoid the worse effects of the Sixth Mass Extinction now in progress from excessive GHG emissions, evidences that the proposed CO2 reduction technology, euphemistically called "capture and sequestration" technology, is a fraud. 👎
IOW, all the technofixes out their refuse to admit that the GOAL here is NOT to keep the Hydrocarbon Industry profitable. The GOAL is 350 PPM, period. Anything else is simply wishful thinking.
the only reality based way to solve this problem lies with Biological solutions involving rapid photosynthesis. I think Duckweed is better choice than algea.
🧐 Duckweed, the plant that may save mankind by enabling our species to live symbiotically, instead of parasitically, with the biosphere.
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Also it's the best source for omega 3 DHA and EPA, the ones that we need desperetaly, fish oils gets oxidized quickly, and feeding animals with this would give them omega 3.
And also this can be used for recycling water, there are low technology ponds that can do this now with aquatic plants, but if we add algae it could make it faster.
This is so the way to go, you can double the biomass in about 5 days
Absolutely
Lots of respect for you Dr. Campbell as I follow your channel, but, the damage is done when it comes to our climate, biosphere and environment..We are merely waiting for the consequences to catch up..These feel good techno fixes are just that, a way to distract ourselves from the obvious, and feel good, as the planet continues to fall apart around us..we can't stop any of these positive feedbacks..The amount of CO2 and methane alone that is released from the permafrost and shallow sea shelves, will dwarf any progress that is made..Plus the hundreds of other feedbacks...But, you can't educate someone in a TH-cam comment, you can only plant seeds..It's harder for someone highly educated, which means highly indoctrinated, to see these issues from the proper perspective, I include myself, which is why I know...Every human civilization to ever exist has self destructed, ours is no different, except the scale of the damage, which is thousands of times more severe.."The earth is littered with the ruins of civilizations and empires that thought they were eternal" "All of our exalted technological progress, civilization for that matter, is comparable to an axe in the hand of a pathological criminal"---ALBERT EINSTEIN
Hello Dr Campbell. I very much appreciate the advice on your channel.
@@realeyesrealizereallies6828 Nice name, shame about the human race. Apologies to The Monks (UK).
@@realeyesrealizereallies6828 Here is a simple explanation by a dedicated scientist. I agree with you. th-cam.com/play/WL.html
Biofuels for aviation seem one of the best uses as Jet Turbines are not picky about what they burn (unlike gas and diesel engines) as long as they don't freeze at very cold temperatures. However as long as they cost more than fossil jet fuel, won't get used unless forced to.
Or fossil fuel subsidies disappear that fossil jet fuel would finally cost what it was meant to. And if people still insist on utilizing the least energy efficient way to get around and spread diseases as they do so then government should levy a biocide tax on fossil jet fuel.
Small gas turbines can be 60% efficient and as you said not fussy on fuel.
These would be great for electrifying trucks and other heavy equipment until large batteries become cheaper.
Why bother with electric cars and heavy transport changes if Alge can replace current bio fuels and become a CO2 capture rather than triple the mining industry footprint and recycled batteries won’t be able to do it on their own.
Another great video Dave. 👍
We are still working on our modular system to cultivate algae using the emissions from biomass boilers and waste water, with nutrients, from a milk processing plant. The algae can then be dried using the heat from the 1.5 MW of biomass boiler or heat from the 1MW GSHP already installed on site.
The info re Asparagopsis taxiformis is excellent information which we will now explore further.
When we get the process right then modular system could be deployed onto farms with livestock and biomass boilers so farmers could cultivate their own algae feed additive for their livestock.
Excellent stuff Philip. You guys are doing great work :-)
So pleased you have rested this. I’ve been optimistic about Algae and Kelp for 15years plus. I feel nature / biology has great strength to be harnessed. Looking forward to seeing commercial solutions
The information presented on this video is truly awesome and so was it's presentation!! Amazing content
Thank you. I appreciate that :-)
This is a welcomed change, I watched this video ending with a feeling of hope instead of dredd.
I'm delighted to hear that! :-)
Very good video, as always. My compliments. Keep up the good work 👍
Thanks Jan, will do!
THESE VIDEOS ARE ALWAYS TOP SHELF AND SO WELL DONE WITH INCREDIBLE INFORMATION. .......... SURE WISH THIS TECHNOLOGY WAS AROUND WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL IN THE 60'S & 70'S
Thanks Lumberjack. I really appreciate that :-)
Seaweed has been harvested in the west of Ireland as a feed supplement for generations, but modern farming has also caused algae blooms in rivers from nitrogen run off, so it's not all good news.
This is what I've been dreaming about for 20 years. I'm certain that biofuel from algae should be a major success towards a green energy future. If We put as much effort into this as fusion then it would be solved already.
Fusion will never be economically competitive against conventional renewable electricity sources, so fusion research is a waste of money. Algae at least sounds plausible. I wonder how it stacks up economically against other clean sources of liquid fuels?
@@incognitotorpedo42 Well, you say never, but that is an opinion isn't it? No-one can say for sure. I would encourage you to use a phrase like "it seems highly likely xxx", "all evidence points to xxx", or something similar to that, in future statements about scientific experiments. Otherwise no-one will take you seriously.
You are ahead of the game then, kuddos
$5 says we'll need to eat the algae before it is a viable fuel replacement. we tried this with ethanol and EROI is always in the red.
@@jthadcast corn ethanol is totally different beast, and I don't support it. Algae just needs a tank of water. It's much different than traditional farming. And it's a simpler life form that's easier to genetically engineer to maximize production.
The best researched and most optimistic site on the net.
Thanks for another great video! The potential of algae seems limitless, because it grows on its own. Unlike machinery, your algae facility will upgrade itself if given enough sunlight, water and nutrients. That's why the idea of growing algae for carbon sequestration actually sounds plausible. If there's any method of removing carbon from the atmosphere that might actually make a dent in the enormous amount we emit, surely it's this one. You said that it would require "extremely careful stewardship" to ensure it didn't get out of control, but surely this could be done by careful placement of the algae farms (putting them in the "desert" of open ocean, nowhere near coastlines or reefs) and using species that don't normally cause blooms in the wild. We can figure this out.
As for the other uses of algae... There are so many of them. It's wonderful. I remember debating people on the Internet about using algae for biofuel back in 2001. It's been over twenty-one years and it seems the researchers are finally just about there, thanks to Exxon.(!) I don't know if algae biofuels will be energy intense enough to use in aviation, but algae is pretty much the only feedstock that might make sense as a biofuel. It has more potential than dead ends like ethanol, anyway.
The other uses of algae you talked about are all wonderful in different ways. Bioplastic is pretty new, but it might be big in the future. Then there's more immediate applications, like growing algae on an industrial scale for use as a protein feedstock. I bet there's a huge potential market for that. And the industry it creates will develop technology and experience that'll help in growing algae for other uses.
And who knew that Asparagopsis Taxiformis could nearly eliminate cow farts? Apparently some scientists did. What a great discovery. If they can farm it on a big enough scale, this stuff should be added to cattle feed all around the world. It'll help the cows feel better _and_ reduce methane emissions. Win win!
So glad to see a great TH-camr covering this incredibly powerful climate solution! More attention on this!
Back in 1965 I wrote a paper for a botany class I was taking about using Chlorella, a single cell green alga, as source of food and oxygen. Chorella would recycle carbon dioxide and human wastes for its growth and reproduction. Chlorella could be grown on roof tops on city building that had flat roofs. There was also the potential for use in space travel for recycling carbon dioxide and human wasted to produce food and oxygen.
now imagine giving up the food and oxygen so that a f35 has pleanty of fuel to make bombing runs and co2 out the wazoo, because that is what they imagine more jet fuel.
Algae are the founders of the feast on planet Earth. We need to be able to produce at scale, which is the rate determining step for the algae industry to move forward as a regenerative alternative. Thanks for highlighting the need to scale and for investment! Focus on biofuels for decades has tainted the algae prospect; but algae are so much more than just biofuels! AlgEternal is one of those companies with a solution to grow microalgae at commodity scale, with two non-fuel products already on the market, that needs investment to scale production and for marketing. Great video! Hope it gets the right folks thinking!
I really enjoy your videos across different technologies etc. Keep on thinking 🤔 😃👋👍 best regards from 🇩🇪
Thanks, will do!
Thank you very much for making this video, we are researching and preparing to start seaweed farms in the Philippines.
Best of luck :-)
You made me sea algae in a new way. Great job and i love how they comes out on sundays like that its always great to hear you!
Thanks John. Much appreciated
Algae don't just grow from sunlight (and love or good intentions), they also need a tremendous amount of N en P: so if you really want to grow them on a large scale it needs a lot of fertilizer. Albeit it will be probably more N efficient than animal production but less financial efficient.
That depends on what (and how) is extracted from the algae. If it is "biofuel" (H and C; without N, P, S, ...), then you are left with the "rest" (algae minus biofuel) which you can probably just dissolve in water and call it a fertilizer.
The oil does not contain the minerals they would be conserved.
@@DavidPaulNewtonScott So does that work? Or are the N and P supplemented from other sources?
The idea of ocean furtilization can be cost affective if one could get a long term floating source on nutriants. I was thinking that woodchips might stay afloat long enough to provide the missing minerals.
Here in the sea between Sweden and Finland we have a problem with algae blooming/ booming every year due to much fertilizer making its way into the sea via groundwater and river streams.
These algae show up as a natural response to human action on the land creating unbalanced contents in the water. As nature will always do.
I assume algae farms near the coast could "fix" this problem, benefit from the fertilizer problem and making it a solution.
I don't see it happening any time soon tho. Some oil fields that have been closed for decades are able to produce again, scientists claimed for many decades already that crude oil is being produced by the planet on a quicker scale as we are told. If humanity learns to use this energy respectively we wouldn't even run out of it.
The reason they want crude oil to be called a rare mineral is merely a genius move from a business perspective.
Having said that, if the day comes we can make algae fuels/ plastics efficiently i will be very happy.
One very important Algal Oil study was NASA’s Omega project driven by Dr Jonathan Trent, now founding director of UpCycle Systems. What the Omega project demonstrated was that the primary limitation to algal production is fuel, specifically CO2. For starters the fuel is in the atmosphere in very small quantities, and secondly when you do have it in sufficient quantity to promote explosive algal growth, the next problem is feeding that CO2 to the algae with out killing them through water acidity. Thinking about it there may be a solution by creating high CO2 content microgranules that the algae can attach to to absorb the CO2 directly rather than from the water.The Omega project explored growing the algae in plastic bags that float on the surface water in a water farm environment. The project looked at the ideal location was adjacent to coastal sewerage farms drawing on released CO2 and nutrients. Send Jonathan a text, I’m sure he would happily contribute.
Really enjoyed listening to your interview on spark podcast 🙏🏾
As an old cowboy whose first 4-H project was a.black Angus steer grown as a beef producer, I can say irrefutably that if dairy farmers can feed their stock with the 2% supplement with, perhaps, some tax incentives (maybe not) they would do it. If the supplement could replace some element of the existing feed used and not impact milk production and not appreciably increasing the price of the feed it could be rapidly accepted in the dairy industry. I can see how to do that reasonably quickly. Two element of quick acceptance to be clear: not increasing the price per ton and not impacting milk production.
As to ranches cattle are grown for beef. The price factor remains the same and second factor becomes weight production. Price per pound on the hoof is critical to a ranch or feedlot success.
As a beef segment a feedlot vertical would have rapid acceptance segment after several independent simultaneous demonstrations in different areas and climates. Range beef is an different business than feedlots.
Methane reduction from feedlot and dairy operations should be substantial based on the data in this video.
Can you or others comment? I grew up around lots of dairies and worked several ranches as a younger man. Hell older man in 2005/6 as a respite from my profession. Hard but fun being horseback fulltime again.
The concept of feed as an element of climate change mitigation is fascinating and attractive especially to a lifelong entrepreneur.
Comments?
Greetings from Downunder Stuart. I have been doing some of my own research on this topic recently. Australia has been researching this subject and recently I found a research paper regarding AT. It showed that there was a yield GAIN of up to 14% along with over 90% drop in emissions.. This was achieved using about 1% by weight of feed. If an economical way of producing the feed can be found, it has fabulous potential
@@scotttaylor4991 the key is the cost factor. If the ingredient were produced at possible.moderate scale, do they have a project of the finished cost at the facility? (Pre-shipping cost? )
The algee/ pytoplacton solution for carbon capture makes a lot of sense. The problem is that much of the ocean is a desert. There is plenty of oxigen but not enough minerals to promote algee growth. Several companies have been experimenting with ocean furtilization to try and produce results. I would be very interested to hear more about this. If you could research the idea.
A research group in the Tri-Cities here in Washington state, found they could fossilize algae in about 15min. Oversimplifying here, but basically they run a slurry of algae and water through a fancy pressure cooker and end up with crude oil. The upside is the process is not picky about which species, or combination of species are used. The downside is it's incredibly energy intensive. Was trying to find more information on this and if any head way had been made to make this more economically viable. Was hoping you covered it here
OMG was going to listen the the podcast but could not work out how to play it at 2x speed - as i consume almost all youtube at 2x and would use faster if it was available. Love you channel and its now a regular part of my monday mornings
I try to live on locally farmed produce as much as possible, but one of the few products I consume that's imported to my country are algae (Chlorella and Spirulina). I would love it if we had more local production of these superfoods, and more acceptance of them in fellow consumers.
Right now I'm in college and when I grow up I want to work on algal bioplastics/fuels. To my knowledge, the main problems are harvesting/dewatering and oil extraction, and maybe fertilizer.
Great video 💪
As retired rower I always wondered if nothing could be done with f*cking algae that was always being removed but still disturbing heavily our sculls...
A Rowing Olympic course has about 2,2km x 150m x 3m (that's a gigantic pool I know) maybe we have been wasting a precious resource all this time (but it's fresh water so maybe different type of algae here)
Continue with the great work
There have been a few companies messing around with the various metabolic pathways to optimise carbon allocation in the algae (replication versus lipid / direct manufacture of petrol / diesel / other alkanes) - one such was Joule Unlimited who seemed to offer quite a promising approach - even managed to scale up to a demo plant - but ultimately went bust as they couldn't raise funding.
I’m always impressed with your presentations and look forward to new uploads.
cheers mate And G’day from Australia 🇦🇺
Glad you like them! I hope all is well down under :-)
Ca - hone - es, Senior Dave! Great piece, as always. A pleasure to be one of your patreons, BTW!
The potential for kelp farms along the coast is enormous; from what I’ve read, massive projected growth in seaweed farming here in the US is due to its profitability and versatility across industries. So far it’s grown for: Nutritional supplements, vegan protein, carrageenan content (for innumerable uses), green nitrogen rich agricultural fertilizer, and biofuels on an experimental basis. The potential for large scale industrial uses is growing with the economies of scale, and when a few of these billion dollar processing facilities are in operation, we may see a serious shift towards seaweed as a multifaceted, and profitable, solution for many separate environmental challenges.
I see 1 acre in my imagination being used like this...
1.Elevated run-of-thtube PV panels covering the entire acre.
2. Agrovoltaic regenerative farming of plants and animals underneath.
3. Bio-Algae tubes used to cool PV panels.
4. Thermal Electric Generator (TEG) tech converts the thermal variances into electricity.
5. Vortex micro-hydro power plant at the bottom end of the Algae production, closed-loop system as it meanders thru the solar farm.
6. More vortex power plants.. Place the PV panels on contours, divert a portion of creek flow into controlled ditches back and forth across the field until it dumps back into the same creek. Turbulent vortex generators placed at each drop of only 6 feet.
The amount of water retention in the soils equates to aquifers re-filling, springs start coming back which then feeds the sustainable supply of water that grows the Algae.
7. Fresh, purified water is a byproduct of the system that can be harvested or fed directly to animals below the PV panels or cycled thru Algae tubes..
I could rant for hours about what a modern-back-to-the-future farm would look like.
Here for the "thumbs up," Dave. Patreon already has my "heart." 👍
I was thinking about algae biofuel the other day and wonder if any progress had been made since I first heard about it. Thanks for making this video.
Thank You! GREAT program!
I hope we do not repeat the same mistakes with monocultures while ignoring the surroundings that we did on land.
What's really good about some algae types is that they grow in salt water unlike most plants that need fresh water which is in short supply in many places.
There are a number of issues with algae production, but there are solutions to most of them.
1. Algae grown in shallow water, when it dies and falls to the bottom, tends to decompose (into C02 or methane). If the water is shallow, both gasses escape into the atmosphere, but in deep water it is compressed into dry ice or methate. But useful sunlight doesn't penetrate much further than 100 meters for algal growth, so it should be better to grow it in shallow water. The solution to this is to pump air into the water to prevent anoxia and to encourage fish to eat the algae, and convert biomass into protein.
2. Algae, like most plants and animals, needs ATP for cellular function, and unfortunately, there is very little free phosphate in the ocean, other than near river deltas or other sources of land based nutrient. Most of the world's phosphorous is locked up in phosphate deposits, having been putting there primarily by sea birds who ate the fish that ate the algae. As seabirds hunt at sea, but poop on land, phosphorous has an inefficient nutrient cycle, one which would need to be solved, because to grow that much algae would require between 10 and 50% of the world's phosphate reserves, if no nutrient recycling occurs.
3. Marine algae is expensive to harvest, because it contains a lot of salt. Washing the salt off requires precious fresh water resources. A better use for the algae is as feed stock for seafood, poultry, swine and cattle. Particularly seafood, as it is the most efficient form of protein production (other than insects ....) as the fish don't have to grow large bones against gravity.
Glad I bumped it you podcast.
Excellent video!
Love this program keep up the good work.
This video remindedme of some technology i heard about in the iet magazine 10-15 years ago called thermaldepolymerisation (TDP). From memory the case study was a chicken farm in pennsylvania. The point being TDP is old tech, it was used by Apartheid South Afria to produce synthetic oil in the 70s/80s, its just generally expensive and inefficient. The PA case study found if you assume the waste organic matter being fed into the process from a chicken farm, was just that, waste, then it was something like 80% efficient. Combining TDP offshore, with an algae or kelp farm producing organic matter, and last weeks video producing power, presumably you could manufacture green oil/gas.
Fascinating as always, and more importantly, inspiring hope and optimism. Cheers.
Growing algae and, not processing it but simply pumping it down into depleted oil wells could be a good way to draw down CO2 out of the atmosphere. We have to get back to 325-350ppm somehow and using algae for this may be the quickest and cheapest way to do it...
Absolutely. I agree
Interesting. This is the first I’ve heard of this idea. Would love to look into it more!
One has to wonder if this wouldn't be the best long term solution to unrecyclable plastic waste as well.
You would be sequestering billions of tonnes of carbon and removing the threat it places on the surface of the planet.
While I'd argue that recycling has the benefit of displacing the need for extracting more petrochemicals, it generally is far more energy intensive than pushing something into a hole.
Atomically it all came from deep underground anyway. We broke the molecules apart and rejoined them into long polymers.
Heat and pressure are the solution whether humans do it at the surface today or the planet does it over eons.
I guess you will not have 100% sterile algae slurry. Which means the organic compounds will be decomposed by anoxic bacteria producing methane. This hopefully can be captured and used.
Still, having a hot, wet bioreactor full of dead algae +1km below the surface imho is not optimal.
Hey, finally something I can talk about with authority! That DOE project, my startup is going to use technology that came out of that program.
The problem with biofuels is the same as many of these green alternatives-they simply can't compete in costs.
We could ramp up algae production to make biofuel, and replace many fuels we use. But why would we when it's like 5-10x more expensive? News flash, we're not going to. It won't come into widespread use until there's some kind of regulatory change such as massive carbon tax. Or the technology improves so radically that it is 5-10x _cheaper_ than regular oil.
A decent carbon tax that made a carbon sequestering fuel more cost effective than oil fuels would be amazing.
I wish Dave would pay more attention to the economics of these schemes.
Great info as always Dave.
Cheers Mick. Glad you enjoyed it
FYI Sciencedirect is a database of research articles from scientific journals, not a journal themselves. The paper you link to was published in the journal "Current Biology", and aggregated by sciencedirect.
Thanks Tom
Feeding cows CO₂ absorbing algae to reduce methane by 90%. That's the kind of big idea which will get us out of this mess.
The problem with aiming on cows is that they expel the carbon of the food they eat, which is reabsorbed by the fields that produce their feed. Meanwhile, humans go out of their way to pump into the atmosphere carbon that had been sealed off for millions of years. That's why algae fuel & plastic are the best alternatives.
Combining seaweed farming with fish farming would probably also reduce the pollution problems associated with the later
Even if it’s not combined with fish farming, I’ve seen a lot of scientists saying that we need to give seaweed planting the same attention that we give tree planting.
@@SaveMoneySavethePlanet I'm not debating that. Just saying the plants would have a double benefit if combined.
Anyone else notice that the petroleum industry only invests in new technology that's heavily dependent on fossil fuels?
The best way to farm algae for purely carbon-capture purposes is to do what we should be doing with replanting forests: recreate the natural ecosystem. Instead of creating one-species monocultures, you recreate dense ecosystems filled with different algae that can appropriately help support nearby marine life. The wonderful added benefit of such ecosystems is that once they are up and running, they basically maintain themselves and algae is naturally reproduced at optimum rates that is then eaten and processed by the wildlife. You would just need to check the ecosystem stays in balance. Thus marine life can also be supported at the same time as carbon capture (which is the same process that should be done for forest ecosystems simply to support the species that live there, but their carbon capture is much slower than algae ecosystems, so less applicability in that area).
Otherwise, more traditional algae farming for plastics and protein substitutes (whether it's providing protein for human production or even just for animal feed) would be great, particularly considering it can be farmed in arid lands that have little wildlife or agricultural applications. Generally, being able to use the algae both to produce a specific product and used for carbon-capture would provide the greatest advantage, but being able to proliferate algae-based ecosystems would sill be a wonderful advantage on its own, so the benefits will depend on how it is grown/used.
I love your channel
Cheers Vincent :-)
There’s this old book I read decades ago called “The Millennial Project: Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps” (yes, crazy title) and growing, then sinking algae, was one of the ways discussed to fight climate change and hunger.
Well well. Sounds like it was ahead of it's time :-)
@@JustHaveaThink Yes, it was. It was a very Hydro-Society focused book, with none other than Arthur C. Clarke giving the proposed science in it a big thumbs up.
Why sink the algae instead of using it to feed people or animals or use it to better farmland??
@@suzannehartmann946 This method is used if you really need to permanently remove carbon from the environment due to climate change. Consumption will rerelease the carbon.
Great solutions from a simple organism 👍🏻 Indeed investments need to be made.
Yes indeed!
Algae can be added to crop feed to drastically reduce methane production by herd animals like sheep and cows.
Indeed
About 30 years ago, in the 90s, I invested in both the algae oil and the bio plastics making a lot of money with both. So this,to me seems like old news.
Well, you got lucky, Bill. Algal fuels and bioplastics are still not a significant technology.
Greatly inspiring and encouraging news!
Algae will be the future feedstock for livestock, increase the health of livestock and people
Let's hope so
PHB sounds good. I'd guess it needs to be massively scaleable if plastics companies can use it ...
If we could get politicians to quit releasing hot air that would be a god send.
Great video as always...
I'm pretty sure that open algae runways are not suitable when rigorously targeting a specific algae strain due to inevitable contamination. Especially with a gmo as the chance of it escaping to the greater environment would be very high. Which means you need an expensive enclosed system.
scaling is never going to a problem .... make it cheap enough to produce and the market will follow. Best part is Algae can be grown anywhere, it does not require fertile land, we have a lot of unused land.
I am surprised you did not connect 'Precision Fermentation' in this Algae talk.
Tony Seba sees 'Precision Fermentation' as the next revolution in technology in the manufacture of Protein, Artificial Meat products etc. Imagine meat that can be tailored/flavoured to your needs, totally sterile, which does not emit any green house gases, uses very limited water and can be scaled up.
Hi Kon Tiki. We looked at Precision Fermentation in this video
th-cam.com/video/UUySXZ6y2fk/w-d-xo.html
Sounds interesting! I’ll have to check out his other video on it
The concept of meat produced from any plant source is a non-startsr to me. I imagine most segments of the economy would agree. Perhaps it will change in a generation or two but if doesn't grow above ground and not have roots it will never be beef.
Market it as a heath food or a non-meat hamburger with protein and you'll have a market segment today.
Thoroughly agree - those yielding power need to “grow a pair” for the planet, thank you for all the amazing information, it’s very helpful.
Found a Channel suggesting farming boats for fish. That would perfectly work for algae too. With labs etc. Built on It.
Algae and Kelp are the food for Krill and farming. Dumping Iron oxide dust will improve and nurture both. There is a profound history of seaside communities that have harvested kelp to improve the soil. Slime will save your world.
My senior project in college was a feasibility study of colocation of geothermal water and algae growth. I also toured an actively producing algae site in Arizona, colocated with a cattle farm for the nutrients. Unfortunately there is no funding for it and the useful strains are secret and patented and restricted from being in an open environment, generally. I was hired to run an algae farm straight out of college but the project was scrapped and a whole lab of equipment left in a storage, including a controlled growth chamber, bioreactors etc. Hoping they were donated to the University there where they are still researching it. Luckily green energy is cool again, since that's the field I ended up in...
There have been strains created which could be used directly in your diesel tank, but once again, costs or regulations restrict things.
So much Information ....Thank you
Great video, thanks, Dave!
Cheers Martin.
Love your knowledge to the independent truth, interesting too
I appreciate that Ken. Thank you:-)
Always doing great work.
Cheers Joseph
I'm a researcher that worked with algae for a couple of years. Now I'm developing a novel method for production of polyhydroxy-butyrate from carbon monoxide.
Ask me anything.
I thought I read somewhere, that the problem with trying to farm algae for oil was that the amount of nitrogen fertiliser needed, used almost as much energy to produce, as the oil supplied. I'd be happy to be told I'm wrong.
Fantastic stuff. Hopefully we can progress these very promising fields, rapidly.
Some of the algae can grow in wasterwater while cleaning the same. This means it will solve one of the major issue with biofuel (they need water for manufacturing). Also, it will incentivise the industry to now clean their waste water as they know they can obtain biofuel as an end product from the process of cleaning the water. Moreover, the revenue costs of this process are less than the cost of biofuel, which means it will be profitable to sell biofuels. Additionally, biofuels are cheaper than fossil feels, which means buifuels have a big and ready-made market.
So, basically, we have cleaned wastewater, obtained biofuel, and also sucked some carbon from the atmosphere.
7:23 to me, looking at all these algae in a lab and ponds is completely the wrong approach. We need to cultivate and expand the use of KELP in the ocean, to help rebuild those ecosystems while making useful products. It's maddening considering the fact that these oil majors have Already invested so much infrastructure and R& D into building offshore platforms which are perfect for cultivating kelp in the ocean
Indeed Tony. Kelp farms are becoming a more popular choice
@@JustHaveaThink As a lay person I have a hard time imagining what the negative ecological effects of offshore floating kelp farms could be. It seems like the floating farms if managed properly would be Great habitat space for all kinds of ocean life especially for especially for the juvenile stages of many kinds of fish.. Do you think you could interview a marine biologist sometime who might shed some light on what the negative environmental impacts of offshore floating kelp farms could be, if there are any?
Algae batteries also seem promising. I can imagine a large space in everyone's backyard dedicated to an algae farm which could be used to help power a home. This in combination with solar technology on the roof, might be all you need.
The section about the variety of Red Seaweed reducing methane production in domestic animals is a really potent economic example of why carbon taxes, (or carbon-offset tax rebates) are important. Few other things would actually incentivize farmers to add the seaweed to their animals diets, and by extension incentivize others to start and operate aquaculture facilities to meat (get it?) the demand.
My dad had a wedding ceremony near the beach in Seaside, FL... during a red tide. We were all coughing like crazy and found out later what was going on lol. We were like a couple hundred yards away too
There is an existing company, Lanzatech, that uses a bacteria to generates plastics and jet fuel from carbon. It is operational today. It has some initial facilities in China and the US. Would be a good topic to just have a think. It could have a major positive impact.
Kudos for the Soylent Green reference!
Maybe a conveyer machine could bring it slowly onto land where it would simply dry. Maybe such a machine could be adapted to lift the algae onto a floating island of itself! The carbon density is impressive!
There's an unfortunate problem with the seaweed for reduced emissions from cattle - the compounds from the seaweed get in the milk. Last I heard, that was the stumbling block that had to be overcome, and had thrown the method out of favor.
Regarding meat, lab grown meat should soon be as cheap as slaughtered meat.
If the carbon footprint also is lower then it be a huge impact for the better.
For a countries which have a large production of dairy, the algae added as a food supplement to reduce methane looks promising. I should be noted, that it only reduces one negative effect of raising cattle. It must be introduced, but only to make the remaining part of the meat and dairy industry more eco-friendly, not as excuse to carry on with the current destructive level of meat production. That is an uneasy and complicated message to communicate…
Thumbs up just for the differences in pronunciation of algae.
Sounds like a partial solution. My Chinese partner introduced me to eating seaweed twelve years ago. When we visited my home town of Dawlish she was wandering around picking up seaweed saying "Oh, we can eat this.' In relation to this see also multi-layered sea cages to grow sea foods in small areas in sand scraper towers. We tend to buy it now from Chinese supermarkets in London's China Town. But I see no reason if we were living by the sea why we couldn't pick & cook it. So long as we can ensure the cleaness. Seaweed does need cooking with some seaweeds needing hours. I saw a documentary on Ireland the other day & was surprised people died. Trying to eat it raw. Did not have the fuel to cook it. In Greece I cooked lentils etc overnight on embers ending up as delicuous. That might have worked IF the Irish people could have found a fuel. Talk about the need for Government intervention.
Absolutely :-)
I did a great deal of research into algae and extracting the lipids and converting into base oils for refining into fuels and/or nutrients and cosmetics. It's a really tough industry to break into. Takes lots of cash, lots and lots and lots of cash investments. $$$$$$$$$$$$$. But it for sure it is a viable industry.
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Very interesting. Thank you