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Cloak of Flame doesn't have a life or life tagged modifier on it, so you can get 15% increased life from a life mastery now. Also Cloak of Flame comes with an in-built mtx effect. :D
MTX?
@@dreamcore_gg I think micro-transactions
I'd LOVE to see Dreamcore do a an analysis on Ivory Tower. With the focus on awesome defensive mechanics from both body armor and keystones we've had covered here already (and especially with regard to the chaos damage question and comparisons between Fourth Vow, Incandescent Heart, and Transcendence setups) I think that the Ivory Tower really needs a look based on it's fun chaos mechanic. I've always wanted to make a unique build with it, but seeing this channel give it a proper look at the fun interactions it could have would make for a fantastic video!
Yes we did talk about this in a previous comment, how this was meta in like 2016 and it slowly grew back up as people really embraced transcendance (due to steelmage partly).
Didn't Steelmage's build use Loreweave?
@@dreamcore_gg Yes the one with the sanctum amulet. He makes quite a few builds. There was another where he stacked 100% phys to element... and then build it all up to showcase he could tank everything. Like running through the Exarch fire balls.
@@joelcuerrier4833 You're probably right about Steelmage being a huge contributor in something going viral in the poe community as he is a well known streamer and a lot of people will first experience something through him. But I will add that steelmage is only copying others strong builds. He's not coming up with much on his own. Transcendence has been a very popular defensive mechanic ever since it got introduced. I wasn't going to comment anything but when I read your second comment about him making quiet a few builds I felt it was ok to post a comment about him not actually making any builds at all :P
I’m running Lightning Coil on my Impending Doom Pathfinder rn with Taste of Hate, and with a little extra bit of phys taken as on my helmet. I have 0 armor, and even without my Progenesis in effect, with just over 3k life, I’m still tanky as hell lol. Obviously Progenesis takes it over the top. There’s pretty much only a few moves that I can be 1-shot by now.
Edit: I’m also running with the Gluttony unique belt to give myself 0 max ES, and with that I can also more effectively use the Bloodnotch + Immutable Force combo, since I can base my stun threshold off my 0 ES
did use the cloak of flame day1 of the league :P still one of the best starter tools
Important difference is that cloak of flame isn’t hit specific
Yep, as I said in the video 👍
I wanted one of these at league start so I started trying to farm the div cards. Didnt get a single card for over a week heavy grinding it (weird) Halfway gave up, then a full unidentified one dropped 😂
At 1:24 what build is that??? Can anyone tell??
Looks like Spectral Throw with Energy Blade
Whenever a class goes higher than %50 in this game you know GGG didn't do anything special for a long time and the league is thrash or cheesy.
My god, you're pumping high quality content like there is no tomorrow. Great stuff, keep it up!
I used pathfinder with lightning coil (and taste of hate, etc) this league for about 85% mitigation. Oddly enough, I did it without knowing it was "popular" but because it felt like the only choice for physical mitigation for my build since armor is just annoying. The entire mechanic for armor with diminishing returns based on the hit damage, is one of my least favorite in the game (and thematically makes 0 sense). They must have it like that for boss damage balance reasons? I have no idea.
So the fact that these conversion mechanics let you truly reduce physical by a fixed amount is fantastic. I wish there were more options like this. Evasion is good too, since it "scales" with level in that monster accuracy is fixed and you can eventually out-level the T16 mobs. But evasion has the frustrating property of doing 0% mitigation when you are hit. So, you pretty much have no choice but to do oddball mechanics like conversion, suppression, petrified blood, etc in this game.
And they wonder why noobs to PoE get turned off by this stuff.
I always thought the opposite actually, I thought it thematically did make sense because bigger physical hits 'crush' armour, so it's less effective. Regardless though I get your point, it's a difficult balancing tightrope they have between the core defenses, like vs evasion for example. But in general, the pull toward 'guaranteed' defenses (damage taken as, pf's flasks, ss, df + fv etc.) has been more and more common as more options are added. You'd obviously much prefer to just tank a hit that you know that you can tank, rather than hopefully avoid it based on a chance mechanic.
@@dreamcore_gg I get the notion that a large boulder falling on someone that does "physical" damage would ignore armor (plate vs cloth would not matter), but in general the armor stat in RPGs (back to D&D) has not been used to resolve such things. You can make the same argument for elemental attacks. Who's to say a character getting hit by an actual lightning bolt from the sky with 30,000 amps coursing through their body, can really mitigate that by 75% any better than a suit of armor vs a falling rock? But PoE had basic mechanics like armor since day 1, then added in things they "could" be using now for big hits like overwhelm, penetration, etc. They would be able to balance damage with that in mind, and not have a stat be next to useless [vs big hits] otherwise. But whatever ... the game still works well. It makes more sense than D4!
People misrepresent how armor works. Its worse the higher the hit, but another way of putting it is that every armor value rapidly approaches a limit in terms of maximum possible damage mitigated . At the lower numbers for example. 50 armor never mitigates more than 10 damage. 100 armour never more than 20. 200 armour no more than 40 etc. So you can see the trend in the upper bound with doubling values.
The other trend is that if the hit is a fifth of the armour value the mitigation is 50% of the hit. You reach the upper bound at a hit four times as much as the armour value. Also for armour to contribute 90% of the DR the hit has to be at most 2% of the armour value. So that's kinda the ball park for each amour value: 2% up to 400% encompassing the 90% DR upper limit down to the fifth of armour lower limit.
So at no point is proportionally more armour worse versus proportionally more damage, but you do have to actually scale it proportionally unlike other things.
Nice vídeo, just want to point out that cloak of flame has amazing synergy with the ultimatum shield and tempered by war, since you only take fire and chaos damage. Also it allows you to use the 15% health mastery
I believe this was actually covered in his video on Divine Flesh as a use case, it is definitely an EXTREMELY powerful use of damage shifting
I think if you can invest the extra 10% conversion, Cloak is considerably better than Lightning coil. With 100% conversion, Armor is useless unless you go for Transcendence, and evasion is mostly irrelevant if you're using bloodnotch (actively harmful if you're using Flask charges gained on taking a hit). Cloak providing mitigation from dots is a big deal, there are a lot of phys dots in delirium for example, and you can use the 15% life mastery to more than make up for the lack of life on the item. Additionally, most builds benefit from being altar overcapped on resistances, and Cloak lets you do that much easier. The extra 10% is pretty non-trivial though, it usually requires an extra Watcher's Eye mod which is a big expense. Additionally, the ES from Cloak is a pain with Bloodnotch, forcing you to go Agnostic or EB.
Cloak is good if you're struggling against phys dots like you say, if you're farming delirium etc. The 15% life mastery is great but that's also a passive point spent too, and I think most builds won't reach 100% shifted so the 900 orso armour on the LC will still be putting in a lot of work to heavily mitigate any remaining physical damage you're taking from hits, which will be a small amount at that point so it'll mostly be quite effective. But I think if you have a build that's using a shield, Cloak is likely going to be better because you can then get 60% shift that also works against dots with Dawnbreaker, and you can easily make up the rest with Taste + helmet.
@@dreamcore_gg 100% shifted is really not that hard on Pathfinder. Pathfinder can pretty much always use Purity of Elements, because you can drop both Grace and Determination entirely with the bloodnotch setup, which gives you access to phys conversion via Watcher's Eye. Cloak (40), Taste of Hate (24 at 60% effect), Helmet (16) is already 80%, so a double purity Watcher's gets there. It is a bit expensive, so a single purity Watcher's + Coil is way cheaper ofc.
@@Sidnv You can of course, but most builds don't, even the majority of LC pathfinder builds on the ladder have between 85 and 95% shifted, so the armour is still putting in work.
@@dreamcore_gg Fair. I think those builds would be better off on the whole just going for 100% and sacrificing armor entirely, although even in those situations there are plenty of reasons to go LC over Cloak. If you have 85% conversion, you start to want around 10k armor which is a bigger investment than getting the remaining 15% I think. But it's nice to have options and good access to phys-> ele conversion opens up a lot of defensive build options that were harder to make prior to the unique changes. I'd like to see some tree support for phys->ele conversion, because Taste of Hate is currently a big part of it and only Pathfinder can reliably sustain that.
@@Sidnv Better off as a whole in terms of maximizing defense sure. But the opportunity cost of taking that extra 15% conversion translates to less damage, which comes at a premium when you're invested so heavily into defense as it is. If they would be "better off as a whole", they would all have 100% shifted, as the folks that come up with these builds are usually meticulously crunching the numbers in PoB trying to find the optimal sweet spot for damage/survival trade-offs.
speaking of lightning coil, I miss eternal damnation.
still didn't quite find a good replacement yet :p
Yeah, that item was very strong! I really hope that we'll see Sanctum back in the game in some way soon, even though I think stuff like ED will be nerfed, hopefully it's still obtainable
Somewhere along the line, I got a double corrupted +1/+2 proj skill gem lightning coil. Probably was going to use it for explosive arrow or ele hit, but I didn't think about pathfinder.
That sounds unethical!
These vids are great, keep it up! I think this is the kind of meta information we mere mortals need to get the most out of POE
I just bought this item to survive inevitable death. And now it's on my youtube recommended, this is scary. HELLO TH-cam
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@@dreamcore_gg Nice channel, just found your channel, i mean youtube spied on me and recommended this video*
Dreamcore video? Yep, I'm learning something today.
Cloak of flame is a higher tier of rarity, I think, maybe 2 tiers? Also has no card to farm it. In ssf i would love to switch to a cloak from my coil but no luck.
I wish GGG would allow for a way to upgrade lower level uniques to be viable endgame. Cloak of Flame would probably see more long-term use.
To be honest it is viable on Chieftain but Ranger/Evasion builds are just better and more popular at the moment
if you have 75% lighting res it does not do that much only reduce overwelem phys red😐
ITs a really interesting case. I wonder endlessly why the numbers on non-pathfinders arent better. Its a form of defense that doesnt need aura support (purity of lightining can be really nice tho) and it does provide good life and even quite an legit of armour and evasion which stacks withit self. Then theres a bit of free ele damage as well.
Sure it was quite a time ago but 40% lightingcoil back in its day was considered the best defense one can get. It had to be nerfed. Now there is competition but still 50%!!! conversion on it is insane. Cloak of flames 40% is a very good body armour but as said has no life and no other worthwhile stat.
Is very usable on other classes and my prediction is we will see it more in the future once people realise how much of a great defense elemental shifting is. People used to know it but forgot as all the good sources got nerfed. I wonder why.
I think the main reason is just the ratio of popular ascendancies this league: Many PF are using it, Deadeye is typically using Hyrri's etc. and Jugg will prefer to use other options, those are the top 3 played ascendancies in sc trade crucible. There's also the argument that the classes that would want to use it(some witch builds potentially) would lose a slot that might be needed to gear spell suppression, where right-side passive tree builds don't really have this issue because they have all of the access to the tree wheels. Overall though, I see it being used a lot more across the board in time if it doesn't get nerfed.
Another great video. Keep them comming!
Playing PF poison explode totems. Using lightning coil + maxed Taste of Hate + Purity of Elements Watcher + Helmet Craft to achieve ~99% physical damage taken as elemental. On top of that, I'm also running bloodnotch/immutable force tech with 16% recoup rings and Progenesis, w/ an approximately 66k max physical hit taken. I only die to massive degens like Uber Sirus storm or specific Juiced legion bosses. I geared specifically for no energy shield and have around 78k eHP. If you look at Steelmage's character, he has around 100k eHP with much higher max physical hit taken. This is huge because it allows you trivialize many boss mechanics, combined with good recovery. Clear is obviously slower compared to Deadeye Elehit LA/IA, but you can facetank Shaper/Elder slams, ignore boss phases, etc.
I think the cherry on top for defense mechanics this Pathfinder change to Nature's Boon. 10% increase from 20% -> 30% may not seem like very much but for example, if you had maxed Taste of Hate, you have 50% Increased flask effect from ascendancy notables + small nodes, 10% from Natural Remedies, plus lets say 10% flask effect from belt - this quickly spirals out of control and you get 15% * 1.7 = 25.5% Phys to Cold conversion.
Similarly with Progenesis, 25% Life Loss taken over 4s is now 42.5%, so you basically have Petrified Blood with full health, combined with high recovery, recoup, and Bloodnotch/Immutable Force, the only way you die now is from extraordinarily large hits that also crit, or huge degens given those bypass Bloodnotch. However with poison mastery, you can make it so enemies never crit against you. The same idea applies to Topaz + Ruby + Sapphire flasks, running all three implies you take 20% * 1.7 = 34% less elemental damage, which is already reduced by 75% already by capped resistances. With the Bloodnotch tech, 50-60% of any damage taken is mitigated, then recoup from rings + vitality basically mitigates the rest of the damage.
Here is PoB to give an idea: pobb.in/PzX0Y17ZMfRo
Yeah it's really all these stacking mechanics which has made this kind of setup so strong
As a mana stacker main its great bc you never use Determination as an aura.
The Mathil Effect Realized
As someone thatd been playing Poe since paid beta 10 years ago, man.. everything really is cyclical.
Coil will always be a powerful item due to the conversion mechanic. Even back when block was busted coil was still at the top.
Lightning coil was good when it was 30%, now its op
It's very strong indeed, I was surprised when they buffed it to 50%. I would have thought that they'd make smaller buffs, maybe 35% or 40% if they wanted it to be a stronger option
As you’re asking, yes, we’d like to see more of your informative to-the-point content 🙏🏻👍🏻
great vids, even after 2000 hours I learn new things from these. I want to mention a thing, the persistence notable works surprisingly well on builds that have like 90% of phys taken as something else, albeit being unpopular
Not this leauge. But I did use it during Kalandra and it made my Witch a lot more durable.
wish all your keystone info is captured in wiki (or officially ingame), so useful
the armour changes to moltenshell was my reason to go for lightning coil
I dont think i have droped one since kalandra , so maybe its just rare-r :D
You can fairly easily target farm the div card for it though.
For alternatives you can also get 10% phys taken as elemental implicits as well as 8% phys taken as chaos on synthesized body armours.
Extremely unlikely to have both the elemental and chaos mods together though, but even just the elemental version does make the essence mod a good bit more usable.
Welp was gonna buy one today. Not gonna be able to afford it now after this vid
its 3c lol
😂 imagine posting videos for this dated mess of a game with Diablo 4 dominating all the charts. Hope TH-cam ain't your job
Meanwhile, the guy searching and posting on PoE youtube videos 🤡