honestly Remembrance MC's looking to be another great support, so i recommend getting Fugue to keep break team alive without HMC. i think E1S0 Fugue + E0S0 FF is better as long as you manage SP well. Fugue is SP positive and RM does basics too, should be fine.
I haven't done much E0 FF testing tbh. But unless you have [E2 FF + E0 Fugue], or [E0 FF + E1 Fugue], or are bringing both [HMC + E0 Fugue], then you likely won't see much difference. With E1S0 Fugue, she's definitely an upgrade overall. Otherwise, the benefits of running E0 Fugue are more noticeable on Rappa/BH teams, if playing with a sustain and without HMC.
@@keqwait I see, thanks for your insight. wait so for rappa/bh teams what would you recommend running assuming all e0? I figured rappa/bh, rm, fugue, and sustain. are you saying hmc instead of rm is the better?
Is fugue a must have for break teams? I have E1 FF/ RM/HMC/Gallagher and they're doing good. Sure they're not 0 cycling but they always get the job done in 3 or 2 cycles sometimes even 1 cycle. Ngl I might skip
Fugue raises break teams' ceiling higher, but if you're already clearing comfortably and are specifically more interested in building other teams, you could choose to skip. In the end, nothing's really a must-pull.
I would pull her for two reasons: 1) With Fugue you could actually make a secondary break team now 2) Remains to be seen whether Remembrance TB will be as good as Harmony TB or not. If RTB does end up being meta defining then chances are Firefly will lose HTB as her superbreak support. Fugue, although not nearly as good as HTB, still gets the job done regardless.
yea I generally would recommend people to get Fugue. just the 2nd toughness bar alone is huge. it allows more E2 Firefly resets, doubles HMC's energy gen as well as Rappa's vs elites, and helps with Boothill's trickshots. with the recent v5 number nerfs, i think some people are tunnel-visioned on the minor -BE% loss and are overlooking the more relevant perks she provides. that said, it all depends on the player what they wanna do with their account. Fugue is higher pull value if wanting to improve break teams, otherwise less value to some who may be more interested in other team archetypes.
E1 is the significant upgrade. E2 is nice as an alternative to DDD but less desirable and value if you have more copies of DDD or care less about 0 cycling.
for this clear, yes. HMC uses DDD very well and provides a lot more SB damage if used alongside Fugue. At first I tried it with E2 Fugue, DDD on RM, plus Lingsha, and it was clearing much slower. slower breaking. Haven't tried other units.
nope. RM still gives teamwide 50% weakness break efficiency, SPD, and prolongs enemy break state. even if you get E1 Fugue i wouldn't kick RM out of the team.
i got e1 lingsha to hit 100% def ignore my rm is e1 firefly e2 how much difference dose hmc make compared to e1 lingsha? + dose fugue have energy issue can i abuse her e2 with tutorial lc and er rope? [i dont have s5 ddd]
HMC provides lots of SB dmg and action advance for free. With Lingsha, it's tight on damage, but here's a 0c with that setup: clear: streamable.com/siqe10 build: imgur.com/a/e2s0-ff-e2s0-fugue-e1-rm-s1-ddd-e1s1-lingsha-t5eaH8d had to give Lingsha her S1 for the extra dmg. Fugue gets 2 ults in wave 2 with or without Tutorial, so the only useful cone at this investment is her own S1. Firefly gets a 4th action outside ult at 154.1 SPD + S1 DDD on RM. Here, she stayed in ult form cuz of the clutch 2nd RM ult (took 2 hits + stole kills thanks to her talent).
Sunday can be slotted into more teams especially the upcoming Summon team archetype. Fugue on the other hand is mainly for break teams and serves as HMC's replacement if you're transitioning to Remembrance MC. If you want to improve or keep your break team relevant in 3.x, you can go for Fugue. If you prefer Sunday's versatility and summon buffs, then you can go for him. Personally i'm skipping Sunday. The only Remembrance unit i'm interested in is Castorice (3.2). If I find out that she does want Sunday, only then will i consider getting him on a rerun.
it does. more toughness dmg, more break damage. but you can settle for E0 Fugue if you wanna save for the patch after. she's already good as is at base.
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should i pull for E1S0 FF and E0S0 fugue, or E2S0 FF no fugue, or keep my E0S0 FF and get E1S0 fugue??
honestly Remembrance MC's looking to be another great support, so i recommend getting Fugue to keep break team alive without HMC. i think E1S0 Fugue + E0S0 FF is better as long as you manage SP well. Fugue is SP positive and RM does basics too, should be fine.
@keqwait got it, thanks for the advice!
From your testing, how much improvement would an e0 ff team see with a fugue instead of hmc?
I haven't done much E0 FF testing tbh. But unless you have [E2 FF + E0 Fugue], or [E0 FF + E1 Fugue], or are bringing both [HMC + E0 Fugue], then you likely won't see much difference.
With E1S0 Fugue, she's definitely an upgrade overall. Otherwise, the benefits of running E0 Fugue are more noticeable on Rappa/BH teams, if playing with a sustain and without HMC.
@@keqwait I see, thanks for your insight. wait so for rappa/bh teams what would you recommend running assuming all e0? I figured rappa/bh, rm, fugue, and sustain. are you saying hmc instead of rm is the better?
@@jonaswilliams6303 it's RM+Fugue. the Fugue+HMC i've been mentioning is sustainless (RM+Fugue+HMC).
Curious, is 0 cycle still possible with E0 fugue?
Also DDD instead of MoTP on RM?
Hiroshi just did it with that setup. link: th-cam.com/video/Y5Cm5-OFftE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Yoq6XpDPBO2rlrIO
Is fugue a must have for break teams? I have E1 FF/ RM/HMC/Gallagher and they're doing good. Sure they're not 0 cycling but they always get the job done in 3 or 2 cycles sometimes even 1 cycle. Ngl I might skip
Fugue raises break teams' ceiling higher, but if you're already clearing comfortably and are specifically more interested in building other teams, you could choose to skip. In the end, nothing's really a must-pull.
I would pull her for two reasons:
1) With Fugue you could actually make a secondary break team now
2) Remains to be seen whether Remembrance TB will be as good as Harmony TB or not. If RTB does end up being meta defining then chances are Firefly will lose HTB as her superbreak support. Fugue, although not nearly as good as HTB, still gets the job done regardless.
yea I generally would recommend people to get Fugue. just the 2nd toughness bar alone is huge. it allows more E2 Firefly resets, doubles HMC's energy gen as well as Rappa's vs elites, and helps with Boothill's trickshots. with the recent v5 number nerfs, i think some people are tunnel-visioned on the minor -BE% loss and are overlooking the more relevant perks she provides.
that said, it all depends on the player what they wanna do with their account. Fugue is higher pull value if wanting to improve break teams, otherwise less value to some who may be more interested in other team archetypes.
depends on if the new TB will be good. if they are then the new summon teams might want them so then u need a slot to fill in for super break dmg
not a MUST have cuz a certaib someone(firefly ) benefits more from htb then fugue but its only a net positive albeit one you can skip
Which eidolon is best to stop at for Fugue? Is her E2 worth it? (using her with E2 Firefly)
E1 is the significant upgrade. E2 is nice as an alternative to DDD but less desirable and value if you have more copies of DDD or care less about 0 cycling.
Is the different really significant if you drop HMC for Fugue in E2 Firefly scenario?
for this clear, yes. HMC uses DDD very well and provides a lot more SB damage if used alongside Fugue. At first I tried it with E2 Fugue, DDD on RM, plus Lingsha, and it was clearing much slower. slower breaking. Haven't tried other units.
is ff, fugue, hmc, gallagher better than ff, hmc, ruan mei, gallagher ??? i wanna use ruan mei for another team
nope. RM still gives teamwide 50% weakness break efficiency, SPD, and prolongs enemy break state. even if you get E1 Fugue i wouldn't kick RM out of the team.
Hi for e2 s0 firefly + e1 ruan mei its better an e0 s1 fugue or e1 s0 fugue?
E1S0 Fugue easily. Fugue can just use Pearls/Tutorial.
@keqwait thanks!
i got e1 lingsha to hit 100% def ignore my rm is e1 firefly e2
how much difference dose hmc make compared to e1 lingsha? + dose fugue have energy issue can i abuse her e2 with tutorial lc and er rope? [i dont have s5 ddd]
HMC provides lots of SB dmg and action advance for free. With Lingsha, it's tight on damage, but here's a 0c with that setup:
clear: streamable.com/siqe10
build: imgur.com/a/e2s0-ff-e2s0-fugue-e1-rm-s1-ddd-e1s1-lingsha-t5eaH8d
had to give Lingsha her S1 for the extra dmg. Fugue gets 2 ults in wave 2 with or without Tutorial, so the only useful cone at this investment is her own S1. Firefly gets a 4th action outside ult at 154.1 SPD + S1 DDD on RM. Here, she stayed in ult form cuz of the clutch 2nd RM ult (took 2 hits + stole kills thanks to her talent).
Is fugue can super break without mc?
yes, Fugue's talent passive provides Superbreak for the whole team as well
@@keqwait wow if i have her i can run super break both team, thankyou
is fugue e1 a must? i aready have e2 ff
if you're looking to boost break teams even further, then it'd make a really good pull
@@keqwaitshould i go for E1 fugue or E2 FF (assuming FF is rerunning very soon)
well E1 Fugue can be paired with other units, but if you specifically want to buff Firefly, then probably her E2.
@keqwait what is Fugue E1? I have e2s1 Ruan Mei and E1s1 FF.
@@djentmas867 e1 boosts 50% weakness break efficiency for ally with foxian prayer
Bro Sunday batter or fugue ?which one should I take acheron For sunday Or rappa for fugue ? help me bro
I don't have Ron mai in my account
I don't have a single support hero on my account which one should i take Sunday or fugue ?
Sunday can be slotted into more teams especially the upcoming Summon team archetype. Fugue on the other hand is mainly for break teams and serves as HMC's replacement if you're transitioning to Remembrance MC.
If you want to improve or keep your break team relevant in 3.x, you can go for Fugue. If you prefer Sunday's versatility and summon buffs, then you can go for him.
Personally i'm skipping Sunday. The only Remembrance unit i'm interested in is Castorice (3.2). If I find out that she does want Sunday, only then will i consider getting him on a rerun.
if you dont have a limited support at the moment (Ruan Mei, Robin, Sparkle) then Sunday sounds like the better choice for you.
@keqwait thank you bro
Which one is better E2firefly×E0 fugue/E1 firelfy×E1Fugue?
E2 Firefly x E0 Fugue
I have E0S0 for FF, my Ruan Mei is E1S0. I don’t really wanna waste pulls for E1 Fugue. Does that 50% really make that much of a difference?
it does. more toughness dmg, more break damage. but you can settle for E0 Fugue if you wanna save for the patch after. she's already good as is at base.
please do firefly E0 S1 fugue e0 s1 or e0 s0
I have FF E1S1 open FF e2 or Fugue bro
if you can only get one, then E2 FF.