True, but saying “They killed my son” would also have gotten that across to non-book readers and would have sounded less impersonal. That line “They killed the boy” annoyed me.
when the boy got killed my jaw literally dropped- I couldnt believe it would actually happen until it did. kept remembering Damon saying "eye patch, silver hair, cant miss it" rip lol
I loved watching S1 with everyone else. This season is definitely gonna be fun! Also, there is something funny about being annoyed by Sir Criston. I forgot his name and just called him Lancelot for a bit. Bro just sucks.
Regarding your comment about the commoners, this episode is seemingly setting up a bit of foundation for a few more commoner-like characters to be showing up this season, so that should be something to look forward to.
Great getting your thoughts on this episode, I'm geeked for this season...this show keeps reminding me how much motherhood and being a parent in this era would suck even if you have dragons
A lot of book fans are mad at the ending with Blood and Cheese because it was a lot more brutal in the book with the kids being awake and Alicent being there, and as a book fan I like what the show did more. Seeing a 1:1 recreation of the book scene on screen would have been too much for a lot of people including me, and at the end of the day the end result is still the same: They behead the crown prince and make Helaena choose. I think there probably should have been some guards posted outside at least but they did just have an entire change of staff and the Kingsguard are kinda stretched thin so it’s whatever 🤷♂️
I personally would chalk that up to arrogance. They just don't expect murder within the castle and all their established enemies are outside. If these kinds of assassination tactics aren't standard at this point in time (which is my take, but who knows, I haven't read the books) then I could buy there not being constant guards posted at every bedroom of the royal family.
Honestly, there's a surprising number of reasons for the there to be no guards. The ones I had on my mind were that they had almost all their guards manning the walls to defend from a surprise attack and more importantly Criston is with Alicent ignoring his duties.
I am definitely with you in that seeing a 1 to 1 recreation would be way too much. But I think there are other choices that don't veer into the voyeuristic gore territory that they still dropped the ball on. B&C was not just horrifying for the brutality (and the senselessness of the act itself) but for the way it affects our characters. Helaena not being able to look at her surviving child again because he knows she did not choose him is a special kind of continued horror that impossibly complicates mourning the child she already lost. A thing that is already impossibly difficult for any parent. But the realization that she is ostensibly losing both her kids despite one of them still being alive because she can't bear to face him? THAT! That is the kind of quiet understated horror that fuels the Greens with a renewed and more potently sustained poisonous rage. Another one of these "little" details that I think they should've kept is Alicent's presence in the room. The fact that she experienced B&C first hand informs so much of what is to come. This adaptation wasn't bad, to be clear. I just think that the text actually manages to touch on a kind of domestic quiet horror (separate of the violence) that the show, at least for me, doesn't come even close to achieving.
@BreakRoomofGeeks Lord Strong killed all the old staff that day, and replaced it with his own people due to jealosy. Allicent dismissed the new staff because she knows Lord Strong is a psychopath that could have her killed at any moment. Also, Cristen Cole should have been protecting the queen. That is his job as per last season. So showing him being with Allicent inatead was important to establish tha. House Green was totally ill prepared for this because their own internal conflicts. And to topple it more the Queen Haelena had yet another correct prediction whcih anyone ignored. So far she has correctly predicted everything.
04:31 - 05:28 --> THIS. For all that the fandom discourse around this show has been one of characterization (understandable, especially for what the source material is), I think this show's real weakness is worldbuilding. The scope of the narrative's focus is as limited as the characters' perspective themselves and it leaves the audience with the impression that the world/people outside of it don't exist/matter. Not taking the time to truly establish the economic, religious, and sociopolitical state outside of the Targaryen bubble will ultimately weaken the core story they're trying to tell.
In many ways it's a common problem with sequels and spin-offs, because they're just counting on the original core work to carry the worldbuilding weight. And it can, but only up to a point. You still need to remind audience that there's a world beyond the characters we see.
@@BreakRoomofGeeks True. Here's hoping production course corrects towards the "Andor" route of prequel worldbuilding rather than shortsightedly falling further and further down this common sequel/spin-off/prequel pitfall. ^_^
4:40 I think the difference is Game Of Thrones cut the common folk out as only the high lords and their soldiers were needed to fight the dead. They’re the only ones with capable resources to win. While House Of The Dragon is a civil war. People die and they’re left dependent on the small folk. GOT pushed the common folk out of the picture while HotD canonically brings more of these outsiders in. I don’t wanna spoil anything but you won’t be let down with the different people that bring different perspectives.
The issue i have is, is the way the story is being folded to make you like team black instead of team green. Neither side is really 'morally correct' is westeros ffs. Both team green and team black are made up of pretty horrific people.
This episode is making me nervous that HOTD's writing is going to go down the toilet the same way GoT's did. There's a lot of telling not showing; a lot of cutting away from important conversations - hallmarks of some of the worst scenes from GoT. I wish they had picked up with Aemond arriving back at King's Landing after killing Luke. Wish we could have seen him tell Alicent what he did and her reaction to the news.
Just because they leave certain things out and choose more logical plots doesn’t make it bad. Game of thrones writing was BAD and the plot lines were nonsensical.
The difference is that the HotD writers are employing these methods strategically and deliberately. The GoT showrunners did it because they didn’t know what to write… so they just wrote nothing. The HotD team also collaborates closely with the actors, allowing them a good amount of creative freedom. Matt Smith gave an incredible performance in s1e3 and he had zero dialogue. Again on the flip side, the GoT show runners told Lena Headey that “Cersei wouldn’t cry when Tommen died” 🫠 So I can see where people might see similarities but I don’t think it’s running anywhere near the risk of pitfalls that GoT did, if only because the people in charge now actually care about the project
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I think they ended on “They killed the boy” to let non book readers like me know that it was, in fact, the boy.
True, but saying “They killed my son” would also have gotten that across to non-book readers and would have sounded less impersonal. That line “They killed the boy” annoyed me.
oh you would have haaaaaaaaaaaated the book version of blood and cheese. No spoilers, but it went down quite differently in Fire and BLood.
when the boy got killed my jaw literally dropped- I couldnt believe it would actually happen until it did. kept remembering Damon saying "eye patch, silver hair, cant miss it" rip lol
I loved watching S1 with everyone else. This season is definitely gonna be fun! Also, there is something funny about being annoyed by Sir Criston. I forgot his name and just called him Lancelot for a bit. Bro just sucks.
I think it ended that way to mirror Rhenera’s ending in Season 1
Regarding your comment about the commoners, this episode is seemingly setting up a bit of foundation for a few more commoner-like characters to be showing up this season, so that should be something to look forward to.
Great getting your thoughts on this episode, I'm geeked for this season...this show keeps reminding me how much motherhood and being a parent in this era would suck even if you have dragons
A lot of book fans are mad at the ending with Blood and Cheese because it was a lot more brutal in the book with the kids being awake and Alicent being there, and as a book fan I like what the show did more. Seeing a 1:1 recreation of the book scene on screen would have been too much for a lot of people including me, and at the end of the day the end result is still the same: They behead the crown prince and make Helaena choose. I think there probably should have been some guards posted outside at least but they did just have an entire change of staff and the Kingsguard are kinda stretched thin so it’s whatever 🤷♂️
I personally would chalk that up to arrogance. They just don't expect murder within the castle and all their established enemies are outside. If these kinds of assassination tactics aren't standard at this point in time (which is my take, but who knows, I haven't read the books) then I could buy there not being constant guards posted at every bedroom of the royal family.
Honestly, there's a surprising number of reasons for the there to be no guards. The ones I had on my mind were that they had almost all their guards manning the walls to defend from a surprise attack and more importantly Criston is with Alicent ignoring his duties.
I am definitely with you in that seeing a 1 to 1 recreation would be way too much. But I think there are other choices that don't veer into the voyeuristic gore territory that they still dropped the ball on. B&C was not just horrifying for the brutality (and the senselessness of the act itself) but for the way it affects our characters. Helaena not being able to look at her surviving child again because he knows she did not choose him is a special kind of continued horror that impossibly complicates mourning the child she already lost. A thing that is already impossibly difficult for any parent. But the realization that she is ostensibly losing both her kids despite one of them still being alive because she can't bear to face him? THAT! That is the kind of quiet understated horror that fuels the Greens with a renewed and more potently sustained poisonous rage. Another one of these "little" details that I think they should've kept is Alicent's presence in the room. The fact that she experienced B&C first hand informs so much of what is to come.
This adaptation wasn't bad, to be clear. I just think that the text actually manages to touch on a kind of domestic quiet horror (separate of the violence) that the show, at least for me, doesn't come even close to achieving.
@BreakRoomofGeeks Lord Strong killed all the old staff that day, and replaced it with his own people due to jealosy. Allicent dismissed the new staff because she knows Lord Strong is a psychopath that could have her killed at any moment. Also, Cristen Cole should have been protecting the queen. That is his job as per last season. So showing him being with Allicent inatead was important to establish tha. House Green was totally ill prepared for this because their own internal conflicts. And to topple it more the Queen Haelena had yet another correct prediction whcih anyone ignored. So far she has correctly predicted everything.
04:31 - 05:28 --> THIS. For all that the fandom discourse around this show has been one of characterization (understandable, especially for what the source material is), I think this show's real weakness is worldbuilding. The scope of the narrative's focus is as limited as the characters' perspective themselves and it leaves the audience with the impression that the world/people outside of it don't exist/matter. Not taking the time to truly establish the economic, religious, and sociopolitical state outside of the Targaryen bubble will ultimately weaken the core story they're trying to tell.
In many ways it's a common problem with sequels and spin-offs, because they're just counting on the original core work to carry the worldbuilding weight. And it can, but only up to a point. You still need to remind audience that there's a world beyond the characters we see.
@@BreakRoomofGeeks True. Here's hoping production course corrects towards the "Andor" route of prequel worldbuilding rather than shortsightedly falling further and further down this common sequel/spin-off/prequel pitfall. ^_^
Engagement for the engagement god!
Why HBO has stood out above the rest for decades, they pull no punches for the sake of story.
The starks do end up playing a big role in war so it makes sense to show them.
Didn’t realise you had a dragon! You need to show him off more!
At first, I thought it was one of the rats dressed up!
Of course you have a dragon! I would have expected nothing less!! 🐉❤
4:40 I think the difference is Game Of Thrones cut the common folk out as only the high lords and their soldiers were needed to fight the dead. They’re the only ones with capable resources to win.
While House Of The Dragon is a civil war. People die and they’re left dependent on the small folk. GOT pushed the common folk out of the picture while HotD canonically brings more of these outsiders in. I don’t wanna spoil anything but you won’t be let down with the different people that bring different perspectives.
The issue i have is, is the way the story is being folded to make you like team black instead of team green. Neither side is really 'morally correct' is westeros ffs. Both team green and team black are made up of pretty horrific people.
This episode is making me nervous that HOTD's writing is going to go down the toilet the same way GoT's did. There's a lot of telling not showing; a lot of cutting away from important conversations - hallmarks of some of the worst scenes from GoT.
I wish they had picked up with Aemond arriving back at King's Landing after killing Luke. Wish we could have seen him tell Alicent what he did and her reaction to the news.
Just because they leave certain things out and choose more logical plots doesn’t make it bad. Game of thrones writing was BAD and the plot lines were nonsensical.
@J_ads2000 riiiiight. Because crispy cole getting away with murdering a nobleman in the middle of a royal wedding is sooooooooo logical lmao
The difference is that the HotD writers are employing these methods strategically and deliberately. The GoT showrunners did it because they didn’t know what to write… so they just wrote nothing.
The HotD team also collaborates closely with the actors, allowing them a good amount of creative freedom. Matt Smith gave an incredible performance in s1e3 and he had zero dialogue.
Again on the flip side, the GoT show runners told Lena Headey that “Cersei wouldn’t cry when Tommen died” 🫠
So I can see where people might see similarities but I don’t think it’s running anywhere near the risk of pitfalls that GoT did, if only because the people in charge now actually care about the project