She decided to try and floor her opponent by using the totally unrelated subject of organ donation. She therefore had no facts to back her up and her whole argument was based on emotions. There is only one winner in a fact versus emotion debate and she quickly started to hesitate, fumble and then started using accusations and insults. She then gave up and ran away but continued her insults making herself look even more ridiculous. Do schools no longer teach debating skills?
Can you imagine how many hours she spent the days leading up to this speech, typing it all up on her little phone thinking she had the argument to end all arguments on abortion and Michael dispatched of it in under 3 minutes. 😅
She’s no dumber than the people running the “institution of higher learning” that her parents are wasting a fortune for her to attend. On that note, no dumber than her parents.
@@travismyers3396yeah and its the only organ that isnt for the woman, its the only organ that is designed for another human, not only that, you choose to have sex knowing the risk. All abortion arguments are, are for the deliberate killing of someone so you dont have to be responsible...thats all they ever really mean but they dont have the balls to say it.
@@travismyers3396Agreed! She can deny donation of her organ. She cannot intentionally and directly end the life of the person in need of an organ. She understood this as evidenced by her follow-up question: What if we just cut the umbilical chord (not directly ending the life). I wish Michael was more equipped at making a case for pro-life.
@@travismyers3396And Michael's response was organs aren't just resources you can use in any particular way. They serve a particular purpose that is natural. A pregnant mother is not 'donating' her womb by continuing pregnancy. Her womb along with the rest of the body as a unit are doing exactly what they're naturally meant to do to develop the child she's carrying. That's why the organ donation argument will never be analogous to pregnancy. If you donated your liver you would be doing an unnatural thing which doesn't harm someone else. On the other hand, abortion is an unnatural thing that harms another person.
To be fair, she's actually pretending to care about the lives those organs could potentially save. She's still wrong and stupid, but she is not advocating that she values organs over life.
well when i was younger i used to be similar and for abortion now i lean more right but i really did believe all that stuff about republicans especially the men just trying to control womens bodies because well i wasn't exposed to that many right wing arguments for why abortion is wrong. alot of these people don't interact or know what the right actually believes and its hard for them to fathom that maybe people are just against abortion because well they do believe its a living human and its wrong to kill a human. it wasn't that i didn't care about babies but i mean there are difficult circumstances women go through that i thought it would be wrong to force them to have a child but now i am more against abortion and as a woman well i don't really worry about it too much since i don't have sex with just anyone.
Not really. She's clinging to the hope of proving hypocrisy. That's why she's sticking so hard to that comparison. Obviously, it's a poor comparison and it ultimately fails, but she's clinging because she still thinks she can "win" the argument.
If you created the child, there is no such thing as “consenting” to whether or not it “uses” the womb for the very singular and exact purpose for which the womb exists. When you chose to do the one thing that creates a child, that is where your consent ends and the consequences (good ones in this case as a baby is a wonderful thing) ensue. The moment I choose to step off a cliff, it doesn’t matter whether I “consent” to gravity pulling me down, as it is a natural result of how the world works. I am obligated by nature’s laws to carry out to consequences of said action. My consent was useful only up to the point I used it to step off the cliff. How about the fact that the vast majority of women who get abortions regret them? Their bodies know it’s wrong, that something went wrong, but we delude ourselves as a society into saying that somehow killing one’s offspring, one’s child, is somehow empowering or related to consent.
@@Mobius118Yes, a lot of women find abortion traumatic. No one's claiming that it's all kittens and rainbows, buddy. Thing is, people like you make it worse. I can see how causing a problem for yourself (having the abortion) to avoid a bigger problem for multiple people (being a poor parent obviously greatly impacts the children, but also often affects wider society too) is considered by rational people to be a brave decision. It's not too great a leap to see how that can be empowering. Maybe you just don't have the bandwidth to understand that. _____________ Okay, so you've made it clear that, as far as you're concerned, women are not allowed bodily autonomy. That makes you a Charming Upstanding Noble Type ... Anyway, two questions: 1. Are women the only people who shouldn't have bodily autonomy? And 2. Every time you get into a car do you consent to an accident? If not, why not?
she suffers from a FALLACY OF COMPOSITION - - - (and she forgot about DEMOCRATS SUPPORT this ) - - - The gender surgery program at Oregon Health & Science University, a public teaching hospital in downtown Portland, provides a productive tableau for analysis. The program is led by Blair Peters, a self-described “queer surgeon” who sports neon-pink hair, uses “he/they” pronouns, and specializes in vaginoplasty (the creation of an artificial vagina), phalloplasty (the creation of an artificial penis), and “non-binary” surgeries, which nullify the genitals altogether. Peters and his colleagues have pioneered the use of a vaginoplasty robot, which helps efficiently castrate male patients and turn their flesh into a “neo-vagina.” The technique for the robot-assisted vaginoplasty is gruesome. According to a handbook published by OHSU, surgeons first cut off the head of the penis and remove the testicles. Then they turn the penile-scrotal skin inside out and, together with abdomen cavity tissue, fashion it into a crude, artificial vagina. “The robotic arms are put through small incisions around your belly button and the side of your belly,” the handbook reads. “They are used to create the space for your vaginal canal between your bladder and your rectum.” The illustrated surgical literature is a catalog of horrors-peruse at your own risk. This procedure is plagued with complications. OHSU warns of wound separation, tissue necrosis, graft failure, urine spraying, hematoma, blood clots, vaginal stenosis, rectal injury, fistula, and fecal accidents. Patients must stay in the hospital for a minimum of five days following the procedure, receiving treatment for surgical wounds and having fluid drained through plastic tubes. Once they are home, patients must continue on transgender hormone treatments and manually dilate their surgically created “neo-vagina” in perpetuity; otherwise, the tissue will heal, and the cavity will close.
Girl spent 80k to NOT get an education. Next up she’ll debate the whole “why couldn’t I get a job that pays me $500k a year with my degree fresh out of college!?”
The organ donation argument has been refuted so many times. They really think this is a gotcha. Its always the RELATIONSHIP that is ignored. You have no moral obligation to provide resources to a stranger. You do have to for your own child. The baby has a RIGHT to its mothers care and the Uterus, which is designed for that. It is in its NATURAL place. No one artificially hooked anything together.
You are wrong. Your right to life ends when it directly depends on the body of another human being. A mother has a basic right to her own body, and it's really that simple. What don't you understand?
@@Demonizer5134We found one 😂😂😂 Your right to your body ends when you have sex. Use your brain. Sex = baby. YOU created the baby that's depending on you, it didn't ask to be brought to life. You knew the risk. Very difficult concept, I know. It's called the consequences of your actions. Shocking that this even has to be explained. But you probably know this already, you're just morally bankrupt.
@@Demonizer5134 No, a mother has a responsibility to care for her children. If your child dies from neglect or abuse, you will be charged for murder. I am a mother, I don't get to choose if I want to feed my child or not. That should apply to children in the womb. If our culture weren't so broken this wouldn't even be controversial.
Michael, long-time listener, first time poster...awesome response. And, the way you disarm these folks is quite refreshing...you're able to keep the conversation light when it can be...but you have the smarts to get very serious too.
Abortion is murder. If you are old enough and intelligent enough to carry out an act that creates another human being then be old enough and intelligent enough to support that new human being in it’s young life.
@SK-ou4gt That’s a straw man (logical fallacy) if I ever saw one. That entirely misrepresents the point. We think women are wonderful and strong enough to carry a unique human being until the time that child is to be born. What we DO hate is people not taking responsibility for their actions. Not ready for a child? Then don’t do the very one singular thing that we all know creates a child, that being sex. You’re not ready for it. It’s not ok to kill a developing child in the womb. We hate the murder of children.
Lady, nobody is entitled to my organs and if I choose to not donate them, then so be it. They're not "resources" you can mandate I provide to save anyone else's life. Meanwhile, I'm still wondering how this relates to abortion? If a woman chooses to abort her baby, what she's done is robbed her baby of its entire life. People who don't want babies, shouldn't make them in the first place, and definitely should do more to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Failing the rights of bodily autonomy BEFORE pregnancy does not a right to abortion make. Just because you don't want that baby doesn't mean it's not a baby, doesn't mean it's not alive, doesn't mean it has no right to exist and live. Your argument is a false equivalency and bodily autonomy as it applies to organ donation is non-sequitur with bodily autonomy as it applies to pregnancy. The baby inside you, is not you. Yes you're responsible for it, yes you're the vessel of growth for it, but it is not you.
Adding layers of abstraction certainly makes it easy for one to reason their way to a desired outcome. I don't think the source of her position is rationality; I think her misdirected compassion is dictating that this is the correct position and she's shoehorning the logic after the fact. Her argument only works once she's abstracted away the difference between baby and organ by undifferentiating them into the "organ" category.
She was arrogant enough to think she could create an argument that would trap 'Smokie Mikey'. As usual the Lefty foot soldier fails, gets angry & runs away.
@@carmiethompson2676 No!!! I bet you believed the state media that COVID was created by a market selling bat meat just up the road from a COVID gain of function lab?
It's dumbfounding that these "smart" college students do not understand that an unborn child starts off as a very small human nurtured within the body of his or her mother. There are two beings here. A mother and her child.
What is just as scary to me is that they can not critically think through an argument. They can not back up their own hypothesis with logic. The future doesn't look very bright.
My own liberal aunt did that. She got out all she had to say (in a political "conversation") but when it was my turn, she puts her palm in front of my face and says firmly, "I don't want to talk politics". Typical liberal cowardice.
Donating an organ is completely different than pregnancy. If you donate an organ, it's gone for good. A baby lives in the uterus for 9 months. You still have it after you give birth.
So if I’m entitled to your organs when you die am I also entitled to some of your money? Wtf is wrong with young people today? I’m only 34 and I can’t believe the Idiocracy that comes out of these peoples mouth
I am not an organ donor. I opted out when I learned the county corner was selling body parts from organ donors to universities for personal profit. That is NOT why I originally signed the donor card.
she read some article somewhere that sounded pretty good to her then tried the same argument without really understanding it she thought it was a gotcha but because she hasn't spent any time debating someone with a different viewpoint all she had was a premise of an argument she didn't know how to defend when challenged
That girl came in determined to be right from the very beginning and with no belief whatsoever that she could possibly have anything to learn. There was nothing she could do except walk out in a huff as soon as he beat the shit out of her in the argument. I absolutely cannot stand these people who are just determined to believe that they’re right, no matter what facts get thrown in their face.
She neglected to compare a 'living' person forced to donate organs to save up to 8 other lives to a living person killing a living baby. He tried to point out that very important difference and she just wasn't listening. I hope she realizes that some day.
also, there is a difference, because the primary purpose of the woman's reproductive organs is to support the life of a separate growing human. the primary purpose of a person's kidney is to support that person's life, not another person's life. that medical technology can allow us to use the organs of one person to assist another person, while an admirable option, is not how our bodies were designed.
@pukupuku That’s less than 1% of cases. It’s terrible, so once we can stop killing babies en masse to avoid accountability then I think we can address that horrible issue. My heart goes out to those involved in it
I love how pregnancy “just happens” to these women. They have no control over anything, with birth control or condoms, that formed another life in their body. 🙄
I feel like Michael didn’t understand the point she was making on this one. She was trying to compare a person needing someone else’s body to survive (an organ donor situation) with a baby needing someone else’s body to survive (the baby needing the mother’s body). If we are allowed to cut off strangers from using our bodies for survival (organ transplants) then why can’t we stop a baby from using our bodies for survival (a baby feeding on the mothers body). The correct rebuttal would have been to say that the woman who is pregnant volunteered to supply the baby with her body’s resources when she had sex. It wasn’t against her will unless she was SA’d.
She doesn't even have the respect to call him by his real name. She just wanted to come in and try to be the one with the zinger who will finally get him.
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Like any true coward she fled.
Exactly! LOL
The wicked flee when none pursue
She knew she had completely lost her argument and felt her only choice was to end debate.
They always run away.
She decided to try and floor her opponent by using the totally unrelated subject of organ donation. She therefore had no facts to back her up and her whole argument was based on emotions. There is only one winner in a fact versus emotion debate and she quickly started to hesitate, fumble and then started using accusations and insults. She then gave up and ran away but continued her insults making herself look even more ridiculous. Do schools no longer teach debating skills?
The funny part is her believing she is clever. I feel embarrassed for her.
Can you imagine how many hours she spent the days leading up to this speech, typing it all up on her little phone thinking she had the argument to end all arguments on abortion and Michael dispatched of it in under 3 minutes. 😅
She’s no dumber than the people running the “institution of higher learning” that her parents are wasting a fortune for her to attend. On that note, no dumber than her parents.
She's reading a script that her "professors" wrote for her!
The baby is not your organ. End of debate.
Her point though was that the womb is her organ, and so she gets to decide what to do with it and who does and doesn't get to use it and for how long.
@@travismyers3396yeah and its the only organ that isnt for the woman, its the only organ that is designed for another human, not only that, you choose to have sex knowing the risk. All abortion arguments are, are for the deliberate killing of someone so you dont have to be responsible...thats all they ever really mean but they dont have the balls to say it.
@@travismyers3396Nope. You conveniently ignore many things she said.
@@travismyers3396Agreed! She can deny donation of her organ. She cannot intentionally and directly end the life of the person in need of an organ.
She understood this as evidenced by her follow-up question: What if we just cut the umbilical chord (not directly ending the life).
I wish Michael was more equipped at making a case for pro-life.
@@travismyers3396And Michael's response was organs aren't just resources you can use in any particular way. They serve a particular purpose that is natural. A pregnant mother is not 'donating' her womb by continuing pregnancy. Her womb along with the rest of the body as a unit are doing exactly what they're naturally meant to do to develop the child she's carrying.
That's why the organ donation argument will never be analogous to pregnancy. If you donated your liver you would be doing an unnatural thing which doesn't harm someone else. On the other hand, abortion is an unnatural thing that harms another person.
LOVE HOW MICHAEL CAN DESTROY IN SUCH A GENTLEMANLY WAY. 💪🏼❤️
Matt*
@@rextar9961 lmaooooooo
He is really smart.
She’s so messed up. If she cares so much about organs but not an ACTUAL INNOCENT BABY.
To be fair, she's actually pretending to care about the lives those organs could potentially save. She's still wrong and stupid, but she is not advocating that she values organs over life.
@@jahazielgarciaCorrect. Her failure is with her falsely equivocating abortion and organ donation. Not the same.
No, no, she doesn't view it as a baby yet, so she isn't "pretending" to care about people. She probably does care.
well when i was younger i used to be similar and for abortion now i lean more right but i really did believe all that stuff about republicans especially the men just trying to control womens bodies because well i wasn't exposed to that many right wing arguments for why abortion is wrong. alot of these people don't interact or know what the right actually believes and its hard for them to fathom that maybe people are just against abortion because well they do believe its a living human and its wrong to kill a human. it wasn't that i didn't care about babies but i mean there are difficult circumstances women go through that i thought it would be wrong to force them to have a child but now i am more against abortion and as a woman well i don't really worry about it too much since i don't have sex with just anyone.
Not really. She's clinging to the hope of proving hypocrisy. That's why she's sticking so hard to that comparison. Obviously, it's a poor comparison and it ultimately fails, but she's clinging because she still thinks she can "win" the argument.
she just ignores his answer and starts to slam his character. That is when you know you win.
Ad hominems and false equivocation.
@@bigguy7353Bazinga
The moment you prove them wrong, they scream, call you names, then run away... EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pidgin. They knock the pieces over, shit on the board, and struts around like they won.
She's a very typical leftist.
Michael’s ability to stay calm, pleasant, charming and kind while absolutely tearing someone apart in a debate is uncanny.
Agreed, I think because he cares enough to the younger generation that is why he tries to talk with them and not upset when the people yelling at him.
@juliuscaesar455I love a rational argument. Do you think that people should be able to use the organs of other people, 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵?
If you created the child, there is no such thing as “consenting” to whether or not it “uses” the womb for the very singular and exact purpose for which the womb exists. When you chose to do the one thing that creates a child, that is where your consent ends and the consequences (good ones in this case as a baby is a wonderful thing) ensue.
The moment I choose to step off a cliff, it doesn’t matter whether I “consent” to gravity pulling me down, as it is a natural result of how the world works. I am obligated by nature’s laws to carry out to consequences of said action. My consent was useful only up to the point I used it to step off the cliff.
How about the fact that the vast majority of women who get abortions regret them? Their bodies know it’s wrong, that something went wrong, but we delude ourselves as a society into saying that somehow killing one’s offspring, one’s child, is somehow empowering or related to consent.
@@Mobius118Yes, a lot of women find abortion traumatic. No one's claiming that it's all kittens and rainbows, buddy. Thing is, people like you make it worse.
I can see how causing a problem for yourself (having the abortion) to avoid a bigger problem for multiple people (being a poor parent obviously greatly impacts the children, but also often affects wider society too) is considered by rational people to be a brave decision. It's not too great a leap to see how that can be empowering. Maybe you just don't have the bandwidth to understand that.
_____________
Okay, so you've made it clear that, as far as you're concerned, women are not allowed bodily autonomy.
That makes you a Charming Upstanding Noble Type ...
Anyway, two questions: 1. Are women the only people who shouldn't have bodily autonomy?
And 2. Every time you get into a car do you consent to an accident? If not, why not?
Why do a lot of women think that a fetus is not a human being?
If they acknowledged that it’s a human being, they’d bear the guilt of murder.
If you dehumanize someone, it's easier to justify killing "it". Blacks, Jews, babies, same story different day.
@@ladydi2745 In the moral sense if not the legal sense.
Capitalism doesnt
Because fake news CNN told them it’s not a human being.
She threw a temper tantrum like the child she is.
Has she donated one of her kidneys?
"logic is entirely unrelated to what i was saying in the first place"
well, she's got that right!
Was gonna say the same thing lol.
she suffers from a FALLACY OF COMPOSITION - - - (and she forgot about DEMOCRATS SUPPORT this ) - - - The gender surgery program at Oregon Health & Science University, a public teaching hospital in downtown Portland, provides a productive tableau for analysis. The program is led by Blair Peters, a self-described “queer surgeon” who sports neon-pink hair, uses “he/they” pronouns, and specializes in vaginoplasty (the creation of an artificial vagina), phalloplasty (the creation of an artificial penis), and “non-binary” surgeries, which nullify the genitals altogether. Peters and his colleagues have pioneered the use of a vaginoplasty robot, which helps efficiently castrate male patients and turn their flesh into a “neo-vagina.” The technique for the robot-assisted vaginoplasty is gruesome. According to a handbook published by OHSU, surgeons first cut off the head of the penis and remove the testicles. Then they turn the penile-scrotal skin inside out and, together with abdomen cavity tissue, fashion it into a crude, artificial vagina. “The robotic arms are put through small incisions around your belly button and the side of your belly,” the handbook reads. “They are used to create the space for your vaginal canal between your bladder and your rectum.” The illustrated surgical literature is a catalog of horrors-peruse at your own risk.
This procedure is plagued with complications. OHSU warns of wound separation, tissue necrosis, graft failure, urine spraying, hematoma, blood clots, vaginal stenosis, rectal injury, fistula, and fecal accidents. Patients must stay in the hospital for a minimum of five days following the procedure, receiving treatment for surgical wounds and having fluid drained through plastic tubes. Once they are home, patients must continue on transgender hormone treatments and manually dilate their surgically created “neo-vagina” in perpetuity; otherwise, the tissue will heal, and the cavity will close.
Logic is unreleated to pretty much everything liberals say lol
I was about to say the same shit 😂
Logic is unrelated to pretty much everything liberals say lol
HE DOESN'T ANSWER THE WAY SHE WANTED HIM TO......& IT RUINED HER LINE OF QUESTION.
This is the hazard of debating smart people
Wait, a baby in the womb isn't just another organ in the woman's body? It's like a ... whole DIFFERENT body!! Wow, what a concept.
That her kind can't seem to grasp.
ikr, that's some Sci Fi movie stuff! Seriously though, wonder if she views Bacteria asba living organism or not if it is inside her body.
Girl spent 80k to NOT get an education. Next up she’ll debate the whole “why couldn’t I get a job that pays me $500k a year with my degree fresh out of college!?”
DEI is ensuring that people just like her are getting high-positions within major corporations.
And why do I have to pay these student loans back???
And she will be head of hr or ceo of a company in 5 years
@@missysbloglife No shit! I paid mine way back when but will I receive a check for payments rendered?
$80k a year
SO IMMATURE & STUPID how these types of people will just state their wrong claims & try to walk off like they did something.....LOL
Yep, she sure told him.
It’s the leftist way.
They read this poor "pre-prepared" garbage from their phone as if it is a gotcha; it's never good info and it never wins these little debates....
She doesn't understand organ donation.
The organ donation argument has been refuted so many times. They really think this is a gotcha. Its always the RELATIONSHIP that is ignored. You have no moral obligation to provide resources to a stranger. You do have to for your own child. The baby has a RIGHT to its mothers care and the Uterus, which is designed for that. It is in its NATURAL place. No one artificially hooked anything together.
Please stop calling body parts "resources."
You are wrong. Your right to life ends when it directly depends on the body of another human being. A mother has a basic right to her own body, and it's really that simple. What don't you understand?
@@Demonizer5134We found one 😂😂😂
Your right to your body ends when you have sex. Use your brain. Sex = baby. YOU created the baby that's depending on you, it didn't ask to be brought to life. You knew the risk.
Very difficult concept, I know. It's called the consequences of your actions.
Shocking that this even has to be explained. But you probably know this already, you're just morally bankrupt.
@@Demonizer5134 No, a mother has a responsibility to care for her children. If your child dies from neglect or abuse, you will be charged for murder. I am a mother, I don't get to choose if I want to feed my child or not. That should apply to children in the womb. If our culture weren't so broken this wouldn't even be controversial.
@@Demonizer5134 The part where the unique genetic code in her womb is her body.
She made a complete fool of herself.
Michael, long-time listener, first time poster...awesome response. And, the way you disarm these folks is quite refreshing...you're able to keep the conversation light when it can be...but you have the smarts to get very serious too.
She walks off like it was some kind of mic drop moment for her… So looney 😂
"Gotcha" argument failed 😂🤦♂️
It started with false equivocation, so it never had a leg to stand on.
Incorrectly sums up Michael’s answer, and then walks away… ran out of straw man, so it’s time to go 🙄🤡
Classic… she didn’t even know who she was talking to and it shows you how well they listen by walking away, true sign of immaturity. 😂
She invokes logic by using false equivocation. Brilliant.
"oh, uhhhh... Uhhmmm"
*Scrolls furiously looking for next talking point*
You can tell how easily her mind gets distracted.
You can however donate your child after it's born...
The womb is the only organ that is NOT for you, but is instead for the baby which you created.
Underrated point
Nicely done, Matt!
What a dumb comparison, it's not even a comparison. So stupid.
Wth is she even trying to say? A baby is not an organ it has all its own organs
Abortion is murder. If you are old enough and intelligent enough to carry out an act that creates another human being then be old enough and intelligent enough to support that new human being in it’s young life.
what a TRANSPARENT admission that "pro-life" is merely hating women for having sex.
@SK-ou4gt
That’s a straw man (logical fallacy) if I ever saw one.
That entirely misrepresents the point. We think women are wonderful and strong enough to carry a unique human being until the time that child is to be born.
What we DO hate is people not taking responsibility for their actions. Not ready for a child? Then don’t do the very one singular thing that we all know creates a child, that being sex.
You’re not ready for it. It’s not ok to kill a developing child in the womb. We hate the murder of children.
She cant take the fact that she was labeled leberal....
Lady, nobody is entitled to my organs and if I choose to not donate them, then so be it. They're not "resources" you can mandate I provide to save anyone else's life. Meanwhile, I'm still wondering how this relates to abortion? If a woman chooses to abort her baby, what she's done is robbed her baby of its entire life. People who don't want babies, shouldn't make them in the first place, and definitely should do more to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Failing the rights of bodily autonomy BEFORE pregnancy does not a right to abortion make. Just because you don't want that baby doesn't mean it's not a baby, doesn't mean it's not alive, doesn't mean it has no right to exist and live. Your argument is a false equivalency and bodily autonomy as it applies to organ donation is non-sequitur with bodily autonomy as it applies to pregnancy. The baby inside you, is not you. Yes you're responsible for it, yes you're the vessel of growth for it, but it is not you.
Seriously. Her views are basically communism taken to the extreme where you don't even have ownership over the very things you were born with.
People find Condoms too difficult to use. It might be from how complex they are. Which shows just how low IQs have gotten.
Adding layers of abstraction certainly makes it easy for one to reason their way to a desired outcome. I don't think the source of her position is rationality; I think her misdirected compassion is dictating that this is the correct position and she's shoehorning the logic after the fact. Her argument only works once she's abstracted away the difference between baby and organ by undifferentiating them into the "organ" category.
@@BenB5She doesn't understand she's comparing apples and bowling balls.
@@BenB5 Indeed. Thank you for adding that important point.
Here's a question that Democrats never answer:
How does a pregnant woman know when a clump of cells becomes a human being?
She was arrogant enough to think she could create an argument that would trap 'Smokie Mikey'. As usual the Lefty foot soldier fails, gets angry & runs away.
Anyone that took a Logic 101 class would pick up her entire argument hinges on a false equivocation. It's rather elementary to spot.
@@bigguy7353 Ohhh...I see; Mr. PhD in Elementary Spotting.
@@carmiethompson2676 No!!! I bet you believed the state media that COVID was created by a market selling bat meat just up the road from a COVID gain of function lab?
Michael is really sweeping the floor lately. You can tell he’s been studying a lot and studying the power of being calm.
He's been sweeping it clean for years now 😊
It's dumbfounding that these "smart" college students do not understand that an unborn child starts off as a very small human nurtured within the body of his or her mother. There are two beings here. A mother and her child.
If they want some back up about abortion they should ban child support law 😅
What is just as scary to me is that they can not critically think through an argument. They can not back up their own hypothesis with logic. The future doesn't look very bright.
Aaaannnd in a classic move, the child stomps out of the room in a hissy fit, 'cause she didn't win the argument.
She stormed off like she won the argument.
They all do that. The moment you prove them wrong, they yell, call you names, then run away. Literally every one of them do this.
My own liberal aunt did that. She got out all she had to say (in a political "conversation") but when it was my turn, she puts her palm in front of my face and says firmly, "I don't want to talk politics". Typical liberal cowardice.
@@GMYellowstoneliberals love doing that when they lose. Trying to act like they didn’t initiate the debate in the first place.
She sounds sick, my God.. Lord have mercy.
I hate how they always bring out their phones like they’re trying to look for the answer to their own debate online somewhere. It’s so cringe.
They can't even remember a 2 sentence question without having it written in their phone.
Donating an organ is completely different than pregnancy. If you donate an organ, it's gone for good. A baby lives in the uterus for 9 months. You still have it after you give birth.
Using that logic we should withhold resources to those who do not work. That could be disastrous.
The moment she said "Bye," she turned off both her ears and her heart.
MATT???
I felt that. It was sad. Abortion is murder end of the day.
I feel sorry for my 24 year old cousin having to choose from this dating pool. Terrible.
So if I’m entitled to your organs when you die am I also entitled to some of your money? Wtf is wrong with young people today? I’m only 34 and I can’t believe the Idiocracy that comes out of these peoples mouth
Organs are not resources....how is that even in question???
When they get angry and run, they know they lost.
“Do you believe people should be forced to eat kale?
“No.”
“So then you believe that children should sleep in the mud.”
This is her logic.
The amount of sarcasm he used to enlighten her and she not getting it is insane. I seriously have no words for this confused young woman.
I bet she thought she was really smart, only to find out she is not so bright.
She really thought she did something when she wrote that speech 😂😂😂 bless her little heart
even with her argument, it's not that you are withholding resources. Cutting the umbilical cord is actively removing resources from a baby.
Not true at all. You're pathetic. I have so many rebuttals to use against you. I'm just going to digress right at the beginning.
Someone else's body is not one of your organs...
I am not an organ donor. I opted out when I learned the county corner was selling body parts from organ donors to universities for personal profit. That is NOT why I originally signed the donor card.
A fetus opens and closes its eyes, yawns and some suck their thumb in the womb. Because it’s life!
They are so childish, needs phone to know what she is trying to say. Sad
Seeing organs as just resources implies a LOT about consent that I'm sure that woman doesn't particularly like.
she read some article somewhere that sounded pretty good to her then tried the same argument without really understanding it
she thought it was a gotcha but because she hasn't spent any time debating someone with a different viewpoint all she had was a premise of an argument she didn't know how to defend when challenged
Imagine a society where a man is explaining to a woman the function of a uterus and the inherent value of a baby.
Exactly
I see a lonely life and a lot of cat's in that girls future.
... Or on a list of organs traffickers
"Somehow it's different"... yes not getting an organ donation is indeed different than murdering a child. You got it lady that is correct.
Her parents must be SOOOOOO proud of her. 🤪
Absolute coward running away after using a false equivocation fallacy, and not letting the guy talk.
Poor girl, shes so lost.
She knew she was losing. So she hadda run
She believes that not saving someone is the same as killing them. They are not the same thing.
Why opposite party always gets hysterical ?
She just wanted to walk out..her whole reason for even engaging the whole debate was to just walk out like she's just above it all.
These pro abortion people are truly nuts.
She's got the crazy eye thing.
Not the brightest bulbs, these kids.
That girl came in determined to be right from the very beginning and with no belief whatsoever that she could possibly have anything to learn. There was nothing she could do except walk out in a huff as soon as he beat the shit out of her in the argument. I absolutely cannot stand these people who are just determined to believe that they’re right, no matter what facts get thrown in their face.
She neglected to compare a 'living' person forced to donate organs to save up to 8 other lives to a living person killing a living baby. He tried to point out that very important difference and she just wasn't listening. I hope she realizes that some day.
That’s so idiotic. The person making a choice to donate organs does so when they are alive.
Bravo, Michael! She thinks she’s clever, but she’s sadly ignorant. May God have mercy on us all.
When in doubt, storm out with righteous indignation 😢😢😂
Why do these women who are pro abortion not just use birth control or keep their legs closed??? There are options out there for not falling pregnant.
She is completely missing/leaving out the wishes of the NEAR Deceased person's FAMILY. ORGANS are not taken from a dead body.
It is so incredible to listen to the women rationalizing the murder of their children!
At least they're not having kids. They'll virtue signal themselves out of existence.
Reading your question off a phone is a very telling sign that you're just repeating it.
The best part is that they write these things in their phones and think “watch this” 😂
also, there is a difference, because the primary purpose of the woman's reproductive organs is to support the life of a separate growing human. the primary purpose of a person's kidney is to support that person's life, not another person's life. that medical technology can allow us to use the organs of one person to assist another person, while an admirable option, is not how our bodies were designed.
Why not be responsible?
The woman DID A THING to make that baby. I didn't do anything to make my liver...rather my mother DID A THING. See how that works?
That’s not a great argument because rape. Sometimes you don’t have to do anything!
@pukupuku
That’s less than 1% of cases. It’s terrible, so once we can stop killing babies en masse to avoid accountability then I think we can address that horrible issue.
My heart goes out to those involved in it
@@Mobius118 But if women stop having sex to stop getting unwantedly pregnant, who will men have sex with?
Should have asked her if we mandate organ donation would she be against abortion at that point?
I love how pregnancy “just happens” to these women. They have no control over anything, with birth control or condoms, that formed another life in their body. 🙄
Sometimes it does and birth control is bad for you.
Why do you forced-birthers think that birth control is 100% effective? Your positions are founded on ignorance.
But condoms kill the feels for men. Poor men need sex, and women are cruel to deny it...
Ask any pregnant woman who lost their baby during pregnancy. They lost a baby not a bunch of cells.
"You're not worth listening to, Matt."
Right through the heart with that one.
She really thought she had some sort of a loophole.
mic drop
By who? You can't possibly think that lunatic woman had a point?
Bizzare mental gymnastics in order to justify killing.
I feel like Michael didn’t understand the point she was making on this one. She was trying to compare a person needing someone else’s body to survive (an organ donor situation) with a baby needing someone else’s body to survive (the baby needing the mother’s body). If we are allowed to cut off strangers from using our bodies for survival (organ transplants) then why can’t we stop a baby from using our bodies for survival (a baby feeding on the mothers body).
The correct rebuttal would have been to say that the woman who is pregnant volunteered to supply the baby with her body’s resources when she had sex. It wasn’t against her will unless she was SA’d.
How do you propose a person would go about using the organs of a different person?
If you want to neutralize these kids just take away their phones.
I’m guessing she is not the captain of her debate team.
Google's "Context" title is "Abortion health information". Two words that do not belong next to each other in any sense: "abortion" and "health".
She doesn't even have the respect to call him by his real name. She just wanted to come in and try to be the one with the zinger who will finally get him.
Yeah, she said he wasn't listening to her. She obviously wasn't listening to the announcement...of his name.
Look at the fake argument she proposes - just gaslighted sad