Hey Dante - there's so many clients I work with that struggle with this as well. You're not alone! Glad the training objectives I outlined here were helpful. Happy Training!
Same. My dog is well trained and behaved, yet I get asked for my "certification" constantly. The anxiety is so much I ofter consider caving in to the scam cards just to shut them up. My principles wont let me though.
@@Muri_Motolocals issue state medallions. And it’s great…because it kills that. I loved that with Dexter, but he was trained.we did not go get that until he was ready for access.
@@Whatevadantewante I agree owner training is really hard sometimes. I try to train Freja to the ADA standard legitimacy of a dog that has been through a training organization. Owner trained service dogs are legitimate too. Do not give up on the training! Laura has really good videos and explains all the steps to help train perfectly. There should be standards to service dogs or education onthe ADA laws.
Can I just say, I did not think I needed a psychiatric service dog when I bought my bully puppy, I realized how much I struggled to be in public alone or even with someone I knew. So I started service training later in her life, and I've struggled so much as a new handler. You have been helping me so much, and I really just want to say thank you.
I have trained many pets to help me but never a service dog. My goal was things like helping me up hills. Now I have Mactel 2 and losing my sight. Thank you for helping me train him from 6 wks up the program. He will be joining full courses at 6 months. Let the goals begin. Please help me with normal expectations. My ego needs to realize this is a process. Not a race. I accept I need training too.
I have used this for my husband service dog. Then when he passed April 3 of this year I used it to further Pugsley's training as my service dog. I highly recommend it.
My dog is a ''Natural''Assistance dog - a wonderful gentle dog who ignores all other dogs , doesn't jump up, doesn't sniff produce {this was the most challenging thing- to not sniff the grilled chicken oven at the supermarket.
I recently acquired a Goldendoodle. I’ve been training her to be my service dog. Right now I’ve mainly been concentrating on taking her everywhere I go. I’ve been teaching her to sit right next to me whenever I stop walking. She has been doing a lot of things on her own. Without me even teaching her. When she does, I reward her by giving her lots of praise and petting her. (She’s not into treats) For example: we were at the grocery store and a door in the back opened. A very large cart full of food to put on shelves came out. Well of course, she didn’t understand what it was. To her it looked very dangerous. So she pulled me out of the way by tugging on her leash. Also, if she thinks a pathway is too dangerous, she will refuse to go, and will direct me to another path. And she never barks.
As someone who lives in Connecticut and feels like there's barely anything here it's awesome to know there's actually a lot of evaluators and resources! Woke me up immediately when I heard my state mentioned lol no one ever talks about us
Hey PSDP! Thank YOU for the amazing free resources you offer! Having more structured testing options that are service dog specific, outside of what AKC offers, to point clients to is really helpful :) Glad you enjoyed the video and feel free to share any of my videos if you find them helpful. Have a great weekend! - Laura
Mine was a five year old cattle dog before I trained him for my service dog. We started with short walks downtown. Then we moved up to non food stores. I always took him when foot traffic was at a minimum for each change. My final stage of training was trips into our local casino. Training time was with a short leash and a standard collar. His leisure time is with a thirty foot lunge line. He knows the short leash means he's on duty. I had no one to help me. We live in a small town. It was the amputation of my right foot that gave him a new job. Solid black shepherds are perfect for this work.
I'm training my own dog because getting him professionally trained is too expensive, and I always feel like I'll get laughed out of the room bc i'm not blind or anything. I'm training him to help me get up from sitting down safely, as a support so i walk straight/don't fall over, and as someone capable of keeping my head safe and safely lowering me to the ground if i faint. Thank you for this!
That is horrible that somebody would laugh at you for trying to make your dog into a wonderful service dog. I am training my own service dog too because I do not have the funds as well to get my dog professionally trained. Have you thought of working with the dog trainer at like a Petco or Petsmart ? They do have training classes and private lessons for less money. That is what I did with Freja!
That is exactly why the law is worded the way it is. Service dogs are medical equipment and not everyone can afford to pay for a professionally trained service dog costing many thousands of dollars. Requiring everyone to buy a professionally trained service dog for their specific needs would effectively be denying a disabled person access to much needed medical equipment,. In otherwords it would be blatant discrimination based on your social standing, meaning if youre rich you can have a service animal, if youre poor you cant.
If we don't regulate ourselves, and take responsibility, the gov will have to step in and do something. If your dog can't do the task, then the dog should not be presented as a service dog. I know I'm preaching to the choir here. A huge part of this is that few dogs actually have the temperament to ever be service dogs.
I’m training my own service dog . I just don’t know how to teach her the commands like Anxiety inturraption or DPT . She also doesn’t know leave it . I often get frustrated when training dogs which is a reason why I need a SD because I’m always Anxious , frustrated and stressed . (Psychiatric service dog ) I often feel anxious going into stores worrying about if someone’s gonna ask me if she’s a real service dog and what I would say or about the ID even tho they are fake . This helped me a lot ❤
Hey Sage! Have you checked out my Patreon yet? I have a written out protocol on training behavior interruption. I also have a full video on training the food drop "leave it". You can join here for just $3! www.patreon.com/posts/service-dog-62115731 I will also have a full course on training behavior interruptions and alerts coming this winter. If you haven't signed up for my weekly newsletter at DOGGYU.com, you can do that now to be notified when that comes out!
@@DoggyU oh yeah ! Also I watched one do your videos on your favorite dog gear , and about the vest when you said it had a pocket to store your medical stuff in , does that mean I have to have medical papers showing I have a disorder or disability?
@@SagetheMutt My vest just has an old drivers license so they have my contact info, and emergency contact info. I personally don't put more than that. But I could see how that might be helpful for certain people/disabilities.
SO appreciate these videos and links. I just watched the 60 second highlight video of the pat and manners tests - our girl is doing well on many of those already (though at 13 months she's still got a way to go) our problem is she's not confident being approached by stangers and she definitely doesn't like being seperated (even within her view) so these are two things that we definitely need help with!! X
I treat training for the 3-minute separation portion of the test like a 3 minute down stay. If you teach it like that - it's not being separated, it's staying until my human gets back. Hope that helps!
Thanks so much for this video I’ve been going through this same confusion on how to actually prove my dog can be an actual owner trained service dog I was scared to actually do it at all
I'm so glad you found this helpful! Having a plan with milestones can be so helpful both for you and your dog to keep your training on track! Happy Training!
THANK you for these resources. In canada we have less to work from and i get lost in the requirements and expectations. Mica and I are always training but the lack of real expectations to work from is frustrating.
Started training lobo in public access at the humane society. They have an outside cafe…coffee is not good, but we can train lobo in a restaurant setting. He “failed” some public access the other day..so, we know what we need to work towards. And distractions are great for the dog.
When would you recommend starting to introduce training tasks for a service dog? Would you recommend focusing more on the public access preparation first and then introduce task training once they have a solid foundation, or would you introduce task training while training for public access?
I introduce task foundations early on (nose touches, target training, retrieve foundations etc.) early on in conjunction with socialization. But I wait until the dog is 18 months at least to expect them to task in public. Basically, I train concurrently but am careful to protect the dog from any physically demanding tasks or highly emotional/potentially stress-inducing tasks like, for instance, panic attack response. Hope that helps!
I live in Western Australia and most of the legislation around service dogs (they’re usually called assistance dogs in Australia) is very similar to the legislation around it in the USA. In 4 of our states and territories (Western Australia👌🏽, Australia Capital Territory, South Australia, and Queensland l) there is a government issued ID card that accredits your assistance dog and shows that you have trained your dog correctly and knows how to carry themselves in a non dog friendly environment. I know my ASiT isn’t ready to be in a grocery store and needs self regulation training (only found out that this is a thing yesterday 😮), but he is getting so much better with his self control and regulation that other people have made comments on how great he is and we’ve even gotten positive comments from people who have known him since the day I got him 😊 I have had a lot of negative comments about him as well though. I live in the CBD so I took him for a walk around the main street to do distraction training, we crossed the street and since Hades loves kids and food he got really excited about it. The man who was carrying the kid actually said “that’s an assistance dog?” while giving Hades and I looks of disgust and disdain, I had my usual response ready: “yeah, he’s still in training though”, he then just said “clearly” and walked away. When I decided to get an assistance dog, I did a deep dive on what breeds are good at it and was totally looking at German shepherd dogs, and dobermans. The prices for an unvaccinated, backyard bred individual dog are staggering, literally $5000AUD +/- a few hundred dollars to a couple thousand dollars. The registered breeders have been charging less than the backyard ones. 😢 So instead I got a puppy from a local family who lives on a hobby farm and decided to get a bullmastiff/American staffy mix because I need a dog for mobility as well as feeling better about living in a single household with my PTSD. The fact that he’s roughly 45kg/99lbs doesn’t help with the discrimination we get because he’s not one of the traditional breeds associated with assistance/service dogs 😐 I have just started an instagram account for him if anyone made it this far and wants to see the differences in his behaviour as we work towards him being a working service dog: @helperhoundhades
Unfortunately paid way too much money for getting only the harness, leash and collar from a company that is like so many others although they claimed to offer training, I struggle daily with depression, anxiety and panic attacks as well as CPTSD… but I live in United States, living on a fixed income… retired early from working cos of failing health. Problem is my dog is a long haired chihuahua and have raised her from birth and can’t afford a service dog, let alone afford training! She’s already 4 yrs old, I tell most people that she’s an emotional service dog cos there is a difference … do u know that emotional support dogs on banned on most commercial flights? Have researched a lot on this, but my dog is so well behaved… she hardly barks, only whines some when we are getting ready to go bye bye… have a stroller that she rides in that I bought from Amazon a few years ago. I recently had to change primary doctors cos my stupid doctor said that my dog was a liability… she never barks, growls or even whines… just cos she’s a emotional support dog and not a service dog- she can no longer go with me there! Such discrimination! My little dog has never bit anyone… but she will lick u to death literally… most people she shies away from when they want to reach inside her carrier but she doesn’t growl, bark or snap at them- my problem is as i age more am worried about my vertigo getting worse and am worried about my mobility problems… but I usually lean on her carrier
Thank you. I learned a lot and gained new perspective from visiting/taking the quiz/watching the vids/reading the personal accounts at PSDP. What a great organization.
I am a senior on a fixed income. I currently have a pair of small rescues who are about 13-15 now. I am diabetic but my biggest issue is with syncope. BP crashes, heart rate goes way up and I faint. Cardiology was normal. I would like to have one larger dog that could do compression therapy as well as alert when a spell is coming but I am at a loss on how to find the right pup or younger adult dog. Also, I would need a lot of help learning how to train one. I am watching videos and learning as much as I can.
Definitely check out my Service Dog 101 course to learn more about finding the right prospect. It's currently on sale for 30% off using code THANKS30. You can find it here: courses.doggyu.com/p/service-dog-101
You need an MD who will prescribe a prolonged EKG evaluation (you wear leads and the results are available to MD) to determine what is causing your "episodes".
Im actually doing a lot of research on service dogs and want to get a dog and train them to be a service dog in thw future! Your videos are helping me a lot with research lately! (Im hoping to train one after i get diagnosed with anxiety if i can)
So glad you're finding my videos helpful! I highly recommend you check out my Service Dog 101 course *before* you purchase a dog. Not only will it help you with laws, but it is designed to help you decide what type of dog you need, and then talks extensively about what you want to look for in a service dog. courses.doggyu.com/p/service-dog-101
@@DoggyU ty a lot I'll make sure to check it out! Tho I can't get a dog just yet I'm planning on getting one in the near future so I'll look at it ty again for the videos and the link!
I’m wondering if there’s an age limit to wear service dogs can take these tests. Petco has a AKC canine good citizen group classes to help prep for the test. Laura, do you know if there’s any group classes for the urban canine CGC and the AKC community test? I am training towards the CGC. Atlas requires their dogs to pass the CGC as a prerequisite. I want Freja to take all these tests to structure the training more.
Puppies have to be at least 6 months old to take the test. There is no upper limit. I haven't seem many group classes for the higher level CGCs but general high-level obedience or "out and about" classes would likely cover similar topics.
@ well Freja will be two years old when she takes the CGC. At the moment, I am unable to get her into the group class at Petco for the CGC. My Petco trainer told me that she needs more training with the fundamentals. Freja is not yet ready,but almost ready. I just had another private lesson with my trainer. We worked on the down and under and the heel position. I am having problems with the coordination part which affects my Asperger’s syndrome. I have been having problems training Freja on the more complex tasks . Freja is doing beautifully in her training so far. I have her back out in public on smaller outings. She is going through a period where she’s getting a little bit more anxious and about to turn 2.
@ Laura, I have another question! What type of desensitizing exercises can I do with Freja to get her back into busier crowds during the evenings. I tried to take Freja to Fred’s for a small errand. She did not want to go past the door. I think the bell scared her ,and I reacted to the bell. Freja has not been out in public for a while at night around Christmas time. I put her gentle lead on just to try to work with her through the distraction. I did take her to Walmart for an hour and a half in the crowd and she did fine. I also had her gentle lead on.
I always take Freja out for public access training. She has been to many different non-pet, friendly, and pet friendly stores. She has walked on sidewalks, crossways, does elevators really well, she has been on buses, she has been on many different cars and trucks, I still need to get her on a train. She has been to transit centers. I know it takes two years to train a service dog yourself. Is there a requirement for how long I need to have those test done? We are getting ready for the AKC canine good citizen group class, and test at Petco. I might put for it in a group class in July. I’ve had to train myself since I do not have the funds for the training. I do need to get the help of a trainer to help me train Freja in more complex public access situations. I have a great relationship with my Petco trainers that I worked with with. I do need the structure since it is hard for me to maintain structure. Part of the Asperger’s syndrome is the executive dysfunctioning. I need to have a routine. Freja needs a lot more training. I take her out for walks in the neighborhood and to the park by our house.
Im new to owner training my dog and i want to get him trained to be my sons autism assistance service dog cause hes already doing alerts. But we need to work on obedience training cause he gets excited when seeing new people
Good video... I didn't hear if you said it or not, is people need to realize that not all Dogs are fit or capable of becoming service dogs. Some dos have faced trauma, or things that have happened in their past that makes it IMPOSSIBLE. Also, not all breeds are suitable for service dog responsibilities.
@eden-qi4yd it's usually less breed driven and more poor partnering (life style/pace) and second it's the history of the individual dog. Some dogs have faced trauma during their fear periods, some didn't receive proper training early or properly exposed to indoor living. And honestly, I believe a huge thing that often gets overlooked is the training of the handler themselves. It requires patience and commitment and some people just aren't wired that way.
Do you think a Labrador retriever whose parents are from a farm and are very intelligent and quick to learn would be a good puppy to train for sd work?
@letsgoammy7765 it would be tough to know without assessing the dog in person. There are good assessment tests out there that focus on focus, patience, what they're driven by, and reactions to stimulus. Beyond demeanor, it's also important to have medical tests run for heart issues, hip dysplasia, etc.
I have a doberman and my goal is to represent a non aggressive sociable companion so far so good doesn't bark at non sociable dogs soon to start dog park distracted training. She's 3 and half months so smart doesn't potty indoors sits but need to work on stay She's also people friendly I have to stop playing so much so she knows different of temperament. Thank you for the information I have much work to do.
Remember that she's also super young and it's important to also let them grow up, run, play, and do puppy stuff! Socialization is the goal at this point. Sounds like you're doing a great job :)
@DoggyU thank you for interacting with us love your information on the channel. I uploaded a short so you see how well she does in stores with my daughter.
They're both super cute! I'm not totally sure where you're shopping but I highly recommend that you only visit pet friendly stores with your puppy until he's ready to move up to non-pet friendly experiences. It's also a good idea to make sure the puppy is engaged in training when you're in stores with a vest on. This sets the tone for his "working clothes" vs non-working time.
@DoggyU yes sometimes in Petco I have bad experiences because the dogs are aggressive and she doesn't know that yet I want her to go to dog parks to experience positive dog interactions
I am scared to if my service dog in training finally gets done, but then the school say’s certificate for service dogs. So I’m gonna try the best I can
First- love your videos. They're amazing. Second- how does someone become a dog trainer, like you? How much education does it take/how much time? Did you learn yourself or take schooling? If schooling, what schooling?
Hey Liz! There are many paths to becoming a dog trainer, but here's a bit about mine: th-cam.com/video/XEaOiuRq9oA/w-d-xo.html The business of dog training is totally unregulated. That being said, I highly recommend going through a formal program that includes hands on curriculum, and/or apprenticing. Check out Karen Pryor Academy and Academy for Dog Trainers (jean donaldson) for more formal training. Check out Atlas Assistance Dog's Facilitator Program for a volunteer service dog position that could be helpful as well in deciding if service dog training is a path you'd enjoy. Hopefully that's helpful!
I want to train a service dog for Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia and Ehlers-Danlos. Do you have a video on retrieving meds or different things that are tailored to these disabilities?
Hi H-Dubs! Welcome to the channel! I have an entire series on medication alert and retrieve (10 videos of me training CoolWhip to do it) on my Patreon which you can find at Patreon.com/DoggyU. You can check out all the videos I offer at this link: tinyurl.com/doggyu-community
@@Vantas_Black Hi Vantas! I have an entire 10 video series on exactly that on my Patreon where you can watch me teach CoolWhip to do the behavior. You can join for $3 at Patreon.com/Doggyu - you can also check out all my other videos that I offer in a spreadsheet here: tinyurl.com/doggyu-community
There's a lot of routes to certification and you have to find one that fits for you - Karen Pryor Academy is a common one. I was certified through a guide dog school specifically first, so I'm not as up to date on other routes.
Im looking into getting a lab to train as my PSD and am looking into classes like the CGC but the public access test is so expensive 😞 While I am thankful the ADA doesn't require documentation or training, I noticed the paperwork to fly with a service dog requires the name of a trainer or organization that trained the dog to perform tasks. Does that mean I do need to do a training course or would I list myself as the trainer? Granted I did get a dog trainer certificate online by taking a course but you can het just about anything online these days 😂 I want my PSD trained the right way and treated the right way, not just for my benefit but also to avoid being the cause of future problems I see with the allowance of service animals do to the fakers 😞
My new landlord said I have to have a certification to have my in-training service dog live with me. Is that legal? What do I do? I'm not going elsewhere, as I can't afford anywhere else.
I love you videos! Is there anything that I need to have or have some sort of proof for public access? Or do I just go when my dog passed everything on the list? Sometimes things can get confusing for me 😅
You definitely do not need any other proof. Highly recommend you check out my Service Dog 101 course if you want to learn more about the service dog laws in the US: courses.doggyu.com/
In the US there is no registration of certification required for a service dog. You simply need to meet ADA standards. I have a course that goes over all the applicable laws and etiquette that may be useful if you're just starting out on your journey. You can find that here: courses.doggyu.com/p/service-dog-101
If traveling with my dog over seas does my dog need to pass any test in order to be considered a service dog? Can I still travel with her without passing an exam?
I have a friend i think would bennefit from a service dog but she is stuck in the mentally of "but my problems are not as severe as blindness or deafness." I'm thinking there are probably more people out there like her that would benefit from service animal who think their situations arent "severe enough," would you agree?
I do! Heck, I had that mental hangup for a while, and I work in the field! (especially since I was in the guide dog field and have seen the incredible level of work guides do). If their disability is effecting a major life function, AND a dog could help mitigate a portion of the disability without causing their life to be more challenging (because taking care of, raising, financially supporting, training a service dog is a ton of work) than they might be a good fit for your friend.
How do you get certified to train them. I am a vet in training and I want to get the ability help strays get a better quality of life. Please any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Laura! Welcome to the channel. Dog training is an unregulated industry, unfortunately, which means anyone can say they are a service dog trainer. That being said, I generally recommend starting with volunteering with an Assistance Dog International accredited organization or guide dog school. At the same time you could go through a general dog training program like Karen Pryor Academy or Jean Donaldson's Academy. Once you've had experience with pet dogs, then I recommend a more formalized service dog program. I would check out Atlas Assistance Dogs. Another path that might work is becoming an Atlas Assistance Dog Facilitator which is a volunteer position that includes lots of free education. That all being said, generally rescues have a relatively low success rate as service dogs. That's not to say there aren't individuals that would be a good fit, but I would definitely check out this article I wrote that will help explain why using rescues doesn't give the owner-trainer the highest rate of success: www.doggyu.com/post/2022/05/19/how-to-choose-a-service-dog-breeder/ The health ambiguity alone presents a very real problem to investing a ton of time, money and resources into training a dog of unknown genetic origin into a service dog. While a few organizations do this, most use well-bred, health-tested animals, and still have a 30-50% success rate. Again, not that rescues can't be service dogs; one of the best service dogs I ever trained was an adult black lab. But that's the exception, not the norm. Here's another video that can help you assess temperament and the type of dog that would do well with this work: th-cam.com/video/I_oC3hCRYDQ/w-d-xo.html
Hi I plan on moving to an apartment do I need to provide a housing letter he doesn't meet breed restriction and I'm training him for both my physical disability and emotionally. I'm worried they won't accept him
I have a guide dog I am also epileptic with top, two diabetes insulin dependent. I want to add to her training to help me with my seizures is that possible?
Hey Tracey! So you can absolutely train multiple types of tasks for your service dog. That being said, you also want to be conscious of how much responsibility and potential stress you're putting on your dog. One of the reasons most guide dog schools won't cross-train for other types of tasks/disabilities outside of guiding is that guiding can be a really stressful/responsibility-heavy job for a dog, so adding more things might put undue stress on the dog where other medical aids or tools might be a better fit to mitigate a portion of your disability. So, you'd have to evaluate your dog and your situation.
My new next-door neighbor in our four-unit one-story apartment "complex" has what she calls a service dog, a very small overly excited half poodle and God knows what else combo. We have no fencing here. I was surprised she was allowed to have a dog here; nobody else has any pets here. The neighbor is a small lady, younger than I am, and she said she's had multiple surgeries in the past on her spine, upper and lower, and recently had surgery on one wrist. She appears to be in pain most of the time, moves slowly but has no problem hopping up into her jeep and driving out of here like a maniac, lol. She does a bit of walking the dog out front and back on a very long leash. The dog is allowed by this lady to wrap the leash around her legs. I actually told this lady I figure the dog will be the death of her, and she just laughed. She had asked me once to walk the dog a bit, and the damn little thing spotted a guy down the street on a riding mower and easily got off the leash and ran straight toward that mower. I'm 70 but managed to grab the dog and told her sorry, I wasn't gonna kill myself running after any dog at my age. She was insulted and responded, "Well, you have to know how to train the dog." Shouldn't a service dog at least be larger and a calmer breed?
My understanding is any dog can be a service animal (there is no actual law which dogs can/can't), but that is definitely *not* a trained service animal based on your description.
Hey Zeke - I do believe that it is required for the CGC, no matter the breed, but I would email AKC directly to ask. I've not worked with a ton of greyhounds but one way I've taught it is sitting from the down, so basically pushing up from the sphinx position. Hope that helps!
Depends on your disability. Here's a video that describes common psychiatric service dog tasks. However, there's lots of different disabilities, and lots of ways a service dog can help mitigate those disabilities and make independent living easier. th-cam.com/video/FzKAtk8gH1g/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gi6bS1MlpP019h0U
Hey Debbie! Under the ADA, no animals outside of dogs or miniature horses are considered service animals. So, no, your cat would not be covered as a service animal under the ADA.
I trained mine 8 yrs ago and have never had a problem with him, I don't have a vest for him as I live in Arizona and he's long haired so it's too damn hot but I wear his ID badge with his photo on my lanyard. People give me rancid looks but I'm sorry if I fall or have any problems I need him close.
Did you watch the video? There is no test or certification in any of the US states. If you're looking for additional understanding of service dog laws including the ADA, FHA and AACA you can check out my Service Dog 101 Course: courses.doggyu.com/p/service-dog-101 This course also goes over etiquette, dog selection, handling public access issues and more!
@@DoggyU I did watch your video. I didn’t find it helpful. I apologize. I am looking to make my dogs Emotional Support Dogs so that I can take them to hotels that only allow service dogs. My wife has severe anxiety. How do I make them service dogs for emotional support?
@@joemomma707 Emotional support and service dogs are two separate things. ESA's do not have public access rights in most states. A service dog is task-trained to respond to your wife's anxiety. Check out this video for more info, but know that ESA's can no longer fly, so that has changed. th-cam.com/video/kx-LVABNaa8/w-d-xo.html
Any tips for a high energy puppy that I want to train to be my service dog? I have a Brittany which is a high energy breed, he comes from a show line so he’s not a crazy hunter but I do understand that he still has hunting instincts! I have been in the hospital and put on an NG tube for my eating and low weight, and struggle to remind my self to eat. I also have other health issues like POTS. One of my pups vets has a daughter with the same issue who has a trained service dog that they taught to remind her to eat. I already have a method on how to train him to remind me, but do you think it’s worth it? He’s currently 4.5 months old and I’m completely new to the SD world but I would really love for him to be with me.
Hi Raynes! I highly recommend you sign up for my upcoming course called Service Dogs 101 that goes over the laws regarding service animals so you can better understand your rights in the US with a service dog. You can find that here: www.doggyu.com/service-dog-training Planes require the DOT form - you can find my video on flying here: th-cam.com/video/hhWofXJmETg/w-d-xo.html Housing can require more detailed medical information under the FHA if requested.
This is an interesting video with lots of good information. I wondering your responds though is anyone with a good foundation of dog training can become an evaluator after paying the fee. They give multiple tries to take test
Hey Kate! Are you asking if some CGC evaluators are more lenient than others? That is definitely the case. If you're asking if you can take it more than once, you definitely can. I think ultimately, an evaluator being more lenient is not super consequential, as the goal of the training is for *you* to know your dog is trained. You know if one of your skills isn't as honed as you'd like and can continue to work on it. But yes, the qualifications for becoming a CGC evaluator can be found here: www.akc.org/products-services/training-programs/canine-good-citizen/become-a-cgc-evaluator/
@@DoggyU Hey there, I was basically saying how anyone can be an Evaluator and that mean some can say your dog past when they truly didnt is what the point I was trying to get across. Also the test to become and Evaluator. Also I am aware of all things relating to service dog and the akc stuff.
I have a toy poodle I’m training due to her size(I have a lab mix or a standard poodle in my program that could possibly work) but as far as SDs being carried is it ok to carry her when she needs a break? She also focuses on me a lot better than the standard poodle. She’s still young so we’re doing obedience and working on the leash more. I would like to do CGC if I can but it’s 2 hours away so I have to plan. Your videos help so much!
@@cherylmillard2067 I have! I admit I have not been is consistent with her specifically because of my other dogs I need to work on(she was a donation to my breeding program so she’s just a pet right now)that a bit more. She’s gotten better over the last 2 weeks though! Anytime I change my schedule or bring another dog in things get set back a little bit but she’s just a pet for now especially since I wasn’t planning on bringing her in :)
Hello, so I just booked my flight across country from north carolina to San diego and back. I booked through American Airlines I was just now trying to fill out the service dog forms on line and it says..... You're required to have either an American or Service Dog Pass-issued Service Animal ID before you travel. I do not have this ID or pass. Do you know what this is or means or what I need to do? I'm confused sorry lol 😆 🙈🙉
My dug is a certified assistance dog here in Sweden, but not through the ADI-affiluatee organization. Why? Nrvwuse the ADI-orhakuzatiok dobt train for my disability (VI) and the orgsnixatiik umI welt tjrough wasn't approved by ADI 'cause the trainers are independent business owners which ADI felt welt aheibst tye non-prifit requirement.....
I'm always amazed at the people who bring their "service dogs" into my training facility who couldn't / can't pass the basic CGC test. I have had 4-5 this year alone. I personally think the US needs a formal service dog test that could be administered by highly trained AKC evaluators. I agree that we should not make the bar so high that a person can not self-train, but I also think that abuses of the system are rampant.
Adding the AKC would be a detriment. AKC main objective is paperwork in order to register puppies born, paperwork for champions. But I do agree we need a governing agent to get rid of pets in public cuz owner doesnt want to leave them at home. All my dogs were CGC and certified therapy dogs. Tired of these misbehaving emotional support dogs in public.
@@MyBizOnluPets are allowed in public. They are banned inside restaurants and grocery stores and medical clinics for hygiene. Individual store owners can decide to allow pets in their premises.
I'm a frontline respiratory therapist who cared for the 1st Community spread COVID patient in the United States. I suffer from PTSD. Due to our state laws, I'm not categorized as a first responder, therefore do not have access to the financial resources that others receive. I have 3 young kids, and want to be around to see them grow up. Can somebody help me get a service dog please?
Awesome video. Question, why do people who use positive methods get attacked by people who use balanced training? Every time I comment on a balanced trainers TH-cam and talk about positive reinforcement I get attacked. It upsets me.
Hey Christine, Training methodology can be really polarizing for people. You'll notice that while I use positive reinforcement methods, I don't specifically advertise my training style often, as my goal is to bring people into the R+ world without making them feel badly about the way they currently train. I don't think there's a ton to be gained by arguing with people on the internet. The way I handle is is to just try to lead by example (and create educational content). I call it "shut up and show off". My biggest complements have come from balanced trainers who can't believe the results I get without the use of aversive tools. But specifically for what you're talking about, I guess I would think of it this way; I don't eat meat. But I don't go onto meat-eaters youtube pages and talk about being a vegetarian. It just wouldn't go over well :) Hope that helps!
I would also like to add that recently there has been a lot of... discussion... on social media about which methods are most humane and effective. People are primed to argue at this period in time about balanced and R+. Don't take it personally for sure, because it's the opposite of personal, it's just a social moment. Stick to what your heart tells you when working with your dog and you'll be loved by your dog. Comment on videos that warm your heart and don't comment on the ones that break your heart. Your lack of comment is enough to prevent those videos from getting more attention. I'm glad you are building a good relationship with your dog, and I hope you can stay focused on communities that respect your positive approach to dog training. ❤
One name, Zac George, he is the major problem, his zealots who follow him and do his dirty work are lulled by the emotional and fallacious arguments he uses and often do not have the skillset to train a dog to find itself out of a wet paper bag. Balanced training is a viable option and does have its place and is necessary in some circumstances. Even then in balanced training it is 90-95% force free, if you're using the four quadrants of operant conditioning, you're not actually training positive only or force free. The use of aversive training tools do have their place, such as dogs with high aggression or reactivity and are one step away from euthanasia are good candidates for such training, but people fail to realize these tools are not to be used in a punitive fashion and they are weaned off these tools the same way other dogs are weaned off of treat rewards. If everyone would be a little more open minded and look at the broader picture with critical thought and reason, educate themselves instead of listening to weak "arguments" consisting of straw man, ad hominem and other fallacious logic, the two training camps can actually start to respect each other.
My girl does everything, except lock her eyes onto me the entire time we are out in public. She still stays close, does her job, and behaves well but the full on eye contact is difficult.
There's nowhere in the ADA that says your dog has to be locked on to you with eye contact. If it's something you desire, you can definitely build it up gradually over time. I like training offered eye contact which you can start with this video: th-cam.com/video/SFTDHi6QCR8/w-d-xo.html
Typically you need to prove that you have a disability, not that the dog is trained professionally. In the US you do not have to have professional training for your service dog.
I have a long list of conditions that come with being born with one specific fd up genetic condition.... I found a very smart dog dumped because she got pregnant on her first heat and already shows signs when my body is acting up (she looks at me funny and jumps at me naturally). I don't like being jumped on because falling and hitting my chiari head is far more dangerous than a normal person. This video is a review about service dogs, not a training video.
Hi , good morning Great vid here ,,,,,,, I have a 3 year old labradoodle that I want to train to become a service dog, I’m not a handicapped person and I want to know what is the key process for this specially I want her to fly with me in the plain on a seat next to me , DELTA only allows service dogs and NOT emotional ,,,,,,, my partner and my self are going to do some travel to Costa Rica , Spain next year and we want to take her with us,,,,,, I have never lefter at the vet while I’m gone and she has a little of separation anxiety ,,,,,, I also have almost 13 year old labradoodle but I have a good friend who takes care her whenever I’m gone somewhere ,,,,,, I hope this is not much of the question , lol ,,,, thank you 🙏🏻
If you are not disabled, you do not meet the legal requirements for having a service dog and are not able to train your dog as a service dog, nor legally fly them in a plane as anything other than a pet. Representing your dog as a service dog without it being task trained for your disability is a crime. There are, however, a few airlines now that do accomodate pets like BARK airline, but they are relatively cost-prohibitive. Just for those who are reading this's benefit: service dogs are not allowed to fly in a seat. They are required to be in your footspace or on your lap.
It can be trying and irritating to have a service dog right now in this world. People are all the time just watching for your dog to fail so that they can call your dog a fake and call you out. Or at least that's how you all the time, like you're being looked at because of all the internet videos of that exact thing. When you add that to owner training your dog you have imposter syndrome times 100! Some days it is really hard to deal with.
She is correct. However the laws are changing. Many states can now denie ESA fir housing ect.Also they are allowed to ask what kind of job does your dog do. A service dog has to have a job or its ESA Airlines are also dening ESA animal. Yes this is legal under ADA. Stop relaying in the. There is no required tesr and they cany ask for paperwork. That is slowy changing. The things I have mentioned are loopwholes. Companies, Business landlords are able to use now.
My dog is going to be my new service dog my old dog used to be a service dog because because because we got bit by I talked to everybody but her story about being bit by the pit my new dog is going to be my girlfriend song the and it's a I mean he's name is steps when fighting I only know that I'm going to sleep
I wish we had a CGC evaluator here. Oh, we have several, but I refuse to have my dog evaluated by any of them. They all require you to take a class (fees ranging from $300 to over $1,000) to prepare for the exam. Okay, I'll go for that. Oh, wait. No, I won't go for that. Every single one of them is a "balanced" trainer (if you're a balanced trainer, great for you, but I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to use a shock collar or a prong collar on my 8 1/2 pound friendly boy and as his guardian, I absolutely refuse to do that and I can live just fine without a CGC, thank you very much) who insists on using "corrections" if the dog makes a mistake. I hope you don't use painful punishment on humans if they make a mistake or do something you don't like. Sorry, but no way am I paying someone to jerk my dog around or shock my dog.
Hi Jan! Where are you located? I might be able to give you a recommendation for a positive reinforcement-based trainer in your area. I do understand when trainers would like you to take a class before the CGC, as teaching classes is one way that trainers earn a living *and* make sure that your dog is prepared and you don't pay for a test that you're not ready for. But in any event, I definitely understand not wanting to give your money to someone with a training style that you don't agree with. Happy to help you try to find an evaluator in your area! But again, not required. But you could have a friend administer the test for you, like I mentioned in the video to see how you do! Great way to practice!
@@janhankins911 Hey Jan! So I did some digging and it looks like this company is R+ based. While they don't directly outline a CGC class, I'd email and ask if any of their people are evaluators. There's several trainers there that hold certifications and I'm guessing one of them is an evaluator. Hope that helps! www.dogstokevin.com/
@@DoggyU I'm aware of All Dogs Go to Kevin and would have gone there. Unfortunately, their Knoxville business closed. Thanks so much for the time and effort you put in!
It's the imposter syndrome that gets me all the time. I try so so hard to train my dog. Thanks for providing standards!
Hey Dante - there's so many clients I work with that struggle with this as well. You're not alone! Glad the training objectives I outlined here were helpful. Happy Training!
Same. My dog is well trained and behaved, yet I get asked for my "certification" constantly. The anxiety is so much I ofter consider caving in to the scam cards just to shut them up. My principles wont let me though.
@@Muri_Motolocals issue state medallions. And it’s great…because it kills that. I loved that with Dexter, but he was trained.we did not go get that until he was ready for access.
@@Whatevadantewante I agree owner training is really hard sometimes. I try to train Freja to the ADA standard legitimacy of a dog that has been through a training organization. Owner trained service dogs are legitimate too. Do not give up on the training! Laura has really good videos and explains all the steps to help train perfectly. There should be standards to service dogs or education onthe ADA laws.
Can I just say, I did not think I needed a psychiatric service dog when I bought my bully puppy, I realized how much I struggled to be in public alone or even with someone I knew. So I started service training later in her life, and I've struggled so much as a new handler. You have been helping me so much, and I really just want to say thank you.
I'm so glad my videos are helpful! Good luck on your training journey!
I have trained many pets to help me but never a service dog. My goal was things like helping me up hills. Now I have Mactel 2 and losing my sight. Thank you for helping me train him from 6 wks up the program. He will be joining full courses at 6 months. Let the goals begin. Please help me with normal expectations. My ego needs to realize this is a process. Not a race. I accept I need training too.
Oh before anyone comments about him being 6 wks. He was naturally weened by mother.
I have used this for my husband service dog. Then when he passed April 3 of this year I used it to further Pugsley's training as my service dog. I highly recommend it.
That’s so cool to hear. I’m really sorry for your loss.
My dog is a ''Natural''Assistance dog - a wonderful gentle dog who ignores all other dogs , doesn't jump up, doesn't sniff produce {this was the most challenging thing- to not sniff the grilled chicken oven at the supermarket.
I recently acquired a Goldendoodle. I’ve been training her to be my service dog. Right now I’ve mainly been concentrating on taking her everywhere I go. I’ve been teaching her to sit right next to me whenever I stop walking. She has been doing a lot of things on her own. Without me even teaching her. When she does, I reward her by giving her lots of praise and petting her. (She’s not into treats) For example: we were at the grocery store and a door in the back opened. A very large cart full of food to put on shelves came out. Well of course, she didn’t understand what it was. To her it looked very dangerous. So she pulled me out of the way by tugging on her leash. Also, if she thinks a pathway is too dangerous, she will refuse to go, and will direct me to another path. And she never barks.
As someone who lives in Connecticut and feels like there's barely anything here it's awesome to know there's actually a lot of evaluators and resources! Woke me up immediately when I heard my state mentioned lol no one ever talks about us
Hahah yes! Small state but there are a ton of dog training resources here!
I live in CT and am partnered with a service dog and have been training them since 1999. Get in touch with me if I can be of any help.
Thanks so much for the mentions and for educating the public! Great video!
Hey PSDP!
Thank YOU for the amazing free resources you offer! Having more structured testing options that are service dog specific, outside of what AKC offers, to point clients to is really helpful :) Glad you enjoyed the video and feel free to share any of my videos if you find them helpful.
Have a great weekend!
- Laura
Mine was a five year old cattle dog before I trained him for my service dog. We started with short walks downtown. Then we moved up to non food stores. I always took him when foot traffic was at a minimum for each change. My final stage of training was trips into our local casino. Training time was with a short leash and a standard collar. His leisure time is with a thirty foot lunge line. He knows the short leash means he's on duty. I had no one to help me. We live in a small town. It was the amputation of my right foot that gave him a new job. Solid black shepherds are perfect for this work.
I'm training my own dog because getting him professionally trained is too expensive, and I always feel like I'll get laughed out of the room bc i'm not blind or anything. I'm training him to help me get up from sitting down safely, as a support so i walk straight/don't fall over, and as someone capable of keeping my head safe and safely lowering me to the ground if i faint. Thank you for this!
That is horrible that somebody would laugh at you for trying to make your dog into a wonderful service dog. I am training my own service dog too because I do not have the funds as well to get my dog professionally trained. Have you thought of working with the dog trainer at like a Petco or Petsmart ? They do have training classes and private lessons for less money. That is what I did with Freja!
That is exactly why the law is worded the way it is. Service dogs are medical equipment and not everyone can afford to pay for a professionally trained service dog costing many thousands of dollars. Requiring everyone to buy a professionally trained service dog for their specific needs would effectively be denying a disabled person access to much needed medical equipment,. In otherwords it would be blatant discrimination based on your social standing, meaning if youre rich you can have a service animal, if youre poor you cant.
If we don't regulate ourselves, and take responsibility, the gov will have to step in and do something. If your dog can't do the task, then the dog should not be presented as a service dog. I know I'm preaching to the choir here. A huge part of this is that few dogs actually have the temperament to ever be service dogs.
You're absolutely right
I don't think anyone in the business world really cares whether a service dog is "real" or not. What they want is a calm, quiet, and well behaved dog.
here we go with the morons that try to add their own personal wants and standards to the law which do not exist within the law.
I’m training my own service dog . I just don’t know how to teach her the commands like Anxiety inturraption or DPT . She also doesn’t know leave it . I often get frustrated when training dogs which is a reason why I need a SD because I’m always Anxious , frustrated and stressed . (Psychiatric service dog ) I often feel anxious going into stores worrying about if someone’s gonna ask me if she’s a real service dog and what I would say or about the ID even tho they are fake . This helped me a lot ❤
Hey Sage!
Have you checked out my Patreon yet? I have a written out protocol on training behavior interruption. I also have a full video on training the food drop "leave it". You can join here for just $3! www.patreon.com/posts/service-dog-62115731
I will also have a full course on training behavior interruptions and alerts coming this winter. If you haven't signed up for my weekly newsletter at DOGGYU.com, you can do that now to be notified when that comes out!
@@DoggyU oh yeah ! Also I watched one do your videos on your favorite dog gear , and about the vest when you said it had a pocket to store your medical stuff in , does that mean I have to have medical papers showing I have a disorder or disability?
@@SagetheMutt My vest just has an old drivers license so they have my contact info, and emergency contact info. I personally don't put more than that. But I could see how that might be helpful for certain people/disabilities.
@@DoggyU ah ok thanks
SO appreciate these videos and links. I just watched the 60 second highlight video of the pat and manners tests - our girl is doing well on many of those already (though at 13 months she's still got a way to go) our problem is she's not confident being approached by stangers and she definitely doesn't like being seperated (even within her view) so these are two things that we definitely need help with!! X
I treat training for the 3-minute separation portion of the test like a 3 minute down stay. If you teach it like that - it's not being separated, it's staying until my human gets back. Hope that helps!
My ACD taught himself to be my service dog when I developed lupus when he was one year old.
My service dog does great with me we even get compliments from workers in the stores we go in n
Love how the ad on this video is one of those esa pet scam registry things and that's the first thing you bring up on the video lol
smh 🤦♀unfortunately I don't control the ads. :(
Thanks so much for this video I’ve been going through this same confusion on how to actually prove my dog can be an actual owner trained service dog I was scared to actually do it at all
I'm so glad you found this helpful! Having a plan with milestones can be so helpful both for you and your dog to keep your training on track! Happy Training!
I just got my pup and starting traing now....i made my dog in the past a canine good citizen
Just passed our cgc today. good information thank you
Congratulations!!
THANK you for these resources. In canada we have less to work from and i get lost in the requirements and expectations. Mica and I are always training but the lack of real expectations to work from is frustrating.
Hey Cameraz! So glad this pathway is helpful in organizing your training goals. Happy Training!
Started training lobo in public access at the humane society. They have an outside cafe…coffee is not good, but we can train lobo in a restaurant setting. He “failed” some public access the other day..so, we know what we need to work towards. And distractions are great for the dog.
When would you recommend starting to introduce training tasks for a service dog? Would you recommend focusing more on the public access preparation first and then introduce task training once they have a solid foundation, or would you introduce task training while training for public access?
I introduce task foundations early on (nose touches, target training, retrieve foundations etc.) early on in conjunction with socialization. But I wait until the dog is 18 months at least to expect them to task in public. Basically, I train concurrently but am careful to protect the dog from any physically demanding tasks or highly emotional/potentially stress-inducing tasks like, for instance, panic attack response. Hope that helps!
I live in Western Australia and most of the legislation around service dogs (they’re usually called assistance dogs in Australia) is very similar to the legislation around it in the USA.
In 4 of our states and territories (Western Australia👌🏽, Australia Capital Territory, South Australia, and Queensland l) there is a government issued ID card that accredits your assistance dog and shows that you have trained your dog correctly and knows how to carry themselves in a non dog friendly environment.
I know my ASiT isn’t ready to be in a grocery store and needs self regulation training (only found out that this is a thing yesterday 😮), but he is getting so much better with his self control and regulation that other people have made comments on how great he is and we’ve even gotten positive comments from people who have known him since the day I got him 😊
I have had a lot of negative comments about him as well though.
I live in the CBD so I took him for a walk around the main street to do distraction training, we crossed the street and since Hades loves kids and food he got really excited about it. The man who was carrying the kid actually said “that’s an assistance dog?” while giving Hades and I looks of disgust and disdain, I had my usual response ready: “yeah, he’s still in training though”, he then just said “clearly” and walked away.
When I decided to get an assistance dog, I did a deep dive on what breeds are good at it and was totally looking at German shepherd dogs, and dobermans.
The prices for an unvaccinated, backyard bred individual dog are staggering, literally $5000AUD +/- a few hundred dollars to a couple thousand dollars.
The registered breeders have been charging less than the backyard ones. 😢
So instead I got a puppy from a local family who lives on a hobby farm and decided to get a bullmastiff/American staffy mix because I need a dog for mobility as well as feeling better about living in a single household with my PTSD.
The fact that he’s roughly 45kg/99lbs doesn’t help with the discrimination we get because he’s not one of the traditional breeds associated with assistance/service dogs 😐
I have just started an instagram account for him if anyone made it this far and wants to see the differences in his behaviour as we work towards him being a working service dog: @helperhoundhades
Unfortunately paid way too much money for getting only the harness, leash and collar from a company that is like so many others although they claimed to offer training, I struggle daily with depression, anxiety and panic attacks as well as CPTSD… but I live in United States, living on a fixed income… retired early from working cos of failing health. Problem is my dog is a long haired chihuahua and have raised her from birth and can’t afford a service dog, let alone afford training! She’s already 4 yrs old, I tell most people that she’s an emotional service dog cos there is a difference … do u know that emotional support dogs on banned on most commercial flights? Have researched a lot on this, but my dog is so well behaved… she hardly barks, only whines some when we are getting ready to go bye bye… have a stroller that she rides in that I bought from Amazon a few years ago. I recently had to change primary doctors cos my stupid doctor said that my dog was a liability… she never barks, growls or even whines… just cos she’s a emotional support dog and not a service dog- she can no longer go with me there! Such discrimination! My little dog has never bit anyone… but she will lick u to death literally… most people she shies away from when they want to reach inside her carrier but she doesn’t growl, bark or snap at them- my problem is as i age more am worried about my vertigo getting worse and am worried about my mobility problems… but I usually lean on her carrier
Thank you. I learned a lot and gained new perspective from visiting/taking the quiz/watching the vids/reading the personal accounts at PSDP. What a great organization.
I am a senior on a fixed income. I currently have a pair of small rescues who are about 13-15 now. I am diabetic but my biggest issue is with syncope. BP crashes, heart rate goes way up and I faint. Cardiology was normal. I would like to have one larger dog that could do compression therapy as well as alert when a spell is coming but I am at a loss on how to find the right pup or younger adult dog. Also, I would need a lot of help learning how to train one. I am watching videos and learning as much as I can.
Definitely check out my Service Dog 101 course to learn more about finding the right prospect. It's currently on sale for 30% off using code THANKS30. You can find it here: courses.doggyu.com/p/service-dog-101
You need an MD who will prescribe a prolonged EKG evaluation (you wear leads and the results are available to MD) to determine what is causing your "episodes".
Local trainers suggested the good citizenship exam as well
Thank you so much for answering my questions.❤
No problem Debbie! Have a great weekend! :)
Im actually doing a lot of research on service dogs and want to get a dog and train them to be a service dog in thw future! Your videos are helping me a lot with research lately! (Im hoping to train one after i get diagnosed with anxiety if i can)
So glad you're finding my videos helpful! I highly recommend you check out my Service Dog 101 course *before* you purchase a dog. Not only will it help you with laws, but it is designed to help you decide what type of dog you need, and then talks extensively about what you want to look for in a service dog. courses.doggyu.com/p/service-dog-101
@@DoggyU ty a lot I'll make sure to check it out! Tho I can't get a dog just yet I'm planning on getting one in the near future so I'll look at it ty again for the videos and the link!
Okay "boop" that button is what made me do it lol the term is used for my dog
haha love it! Plus it helps more people find the videos ;) BOOP!
I’m wondering if there’s an age limit to wear service dogs can take these tests. Petco has a AKC canine good citizen group classes to help prep for the test. Laura, do you know if there’s any group classes for the urban canine CGC and the AKC community test? I am training towards the CGC. Atlas requires their dogs to pass the CGC as a prerequisite. I want Freja to take all these tests to structure the training more.
Puppies have to be at least 6 months old to take the test. There is no upper limit. I haven't seem many group classes for the higher level CGCs but general high-level obedience or "out and about" classes would likely cover similar topics.
@ well Freja will be two years old when she takes the CGC. At the moment, I am unable to get her into the group class at Petco for the CGC. My Petco trainer told me that she needs more training with the fundamentals. Freja is not yet ready,but almost ready. I just had another private lesson with my trainer. We worked on the down and under and the heel position. I am having problems with the coordination part which affects my Asperger’s syndrome. I have been having problems training Freja on the more complex tasks . Freja is doing beautifully in her training so far. I have her back out in public on smaller outings. She is going through a period where she’s getting a little bit more anxious and about to turn 2.
@ Laura, I have another question! What type of desensitizing exercises can I do with Freja to get her back into busier crowds during the evenings. I tried to take Freja to Fred’s for a small errand. She did not want to go past the door. I think the bell scared her ,and I reacted to the bell. Freja has not been out in public for a while at night around Christmas time. I put her gentle lead on just to try to work with her through the distraction. I did take her to Walmart for an hour and a half in the crowd and she did fine. I also had her gentle lead on.
I always take Freja out for public access training. She has been to many different non-pet, friendly, and pet friendly stores. She has walked on sidewalks, crossways, does elevators really well, she has been on buses, she has been on many different cars and trucks, I still need to get her on a train. She has been to transit centers. I know it takes two years to train a service dog yourself. Is there a requirement for how long I need to have those test done? We are getting ready for the AKC canine good citizen group class, and test at Petco. I might put for it in a group class in July. I’ve had to train myself since I do not have the funds for the training. I do need to get the help of a trainer to help me train Freja in more complex public access situations. I have a great relationship with my Petco trainers that I worked with with. I do need the structure since it is hard for me to maintain structure. Part of the Asperger’s syndrome is the executive dysfunctioning. I need to have a routine. Freja needs a lot more training. I take her out for walks in the neighborhood and to the park by our house.
Thank you so much for this! I only knew about a few of these tests. Such great info!
So glad you found it helpful! :)
Im new to owner training my dog and i want to get him trained to be my sons autism assistance service dog cause hes already doing alerts. But we need to work on obedience training cause he gets excited when seeing new people
Good video... I didn't hear if you said it or not, is people need to realize that not all Dogs are fit or capable of becoming service dogs. Some dos have faced trauma, or things that have happened in their past that makes it IMPOSSIBLE. Also, not all breeds are suitable for service dog responsibilities.
what are some of the main breeds that you see used for service work, that probably shouldn’t be?
@eden-qi4yd it's usually less breed driven and more poor partnering (life style/pace) and second it's the history of the individual dog. Some dogs have faced trauma during their fear periods, some didn't receive proper training early or properly exposed to indoor living.
And honestly, I believe a huge thing that often gets overlooked is the training of the handler themselves. It requires patience and commitment and some people just aren't wired that way.
Do you think a Labrador retriever whose parents are from a farm and are very intelligent and quick to learn would be a good puppy to train for sd work?
@letsgoammy7765 it would be tough to know without assessing the dog in person. There are good assessment tests out there that focus on focus, patience, what they're driven by, and reactions to stimulus. Beyond demeanor, it's also important to have medical tests run for heart issues, hip dysplasia, etc.
0:36 Is that a Berger Blanc Suisse?? I have one I am training for myself too!
You pointed out a bit of stock footage in there - not sure what breed this one is :)
I think it's definitely possible the pup is a Swiss Shepherd. I also didn't know of the French name, but that makes complete sense :)
I have a doberman and my goal is to represent a non aggressive sociable companion so far so good doesn't bark at non sociable dogs soon to start dog park distracted training. She's 3 and half months so smart doesn't potty indoors sits but need to work on stay She's also people friendly I have to stop playing so much so she knows different of temperament. Thank you for the information I have much work to do.
Remember that she's also super young and it's important to also let them grow up, run, play, and do puppy stuff! Socialization is the goal at this point. Sounds like you're doing a great job :)
@DoggyU thank you for interacting with us love your information on the channel. I uploaded a short so you see how well she does in stores with my daughter.
They're both super cute! I'm not totally sure where you're shopping but I highly recommend that you only visit pet friendly stores with your puppy until he's ready to move up to non-pet friendly experiences. It's also a good idea to make sure the puppy is engaged in training when you're in stores with a vest on. This sets the tone for his "working clothes" vs non-working time.
@DoggyU yes sometimes in Petco I have bad experiences because the dogs are aggressive and she doesn't know that yet I want her to go to dog parks to experience positive dog interactions
Im in Alberta Canada and I’m wondering if all service dog training is pretty straight across the board even in other countries?
The training is likely very similar, and tailored to the individual, but the laws are different, even inside Canada from province to province.
I am scared to if my service dog in training finally gets done, but then the school say’s certificate for service dogs. So I’m gonna try the best I can
First- love your videos. They're amazing. Second- how does someone become a dog trainer, like you? How much education does it take/how much time? Did you learn yourself or take schooling? If schooling, what schooling?
Hey Liz!
There are many paths to becoming a dog trainer, but here's a bit about mine: th-cam.com/video/XEaOiuRq9oA/w-d-xo.html
The business of dog training is totally unregulated. That being said, I highly recommend going through a formal program that includes hands on curriculum, and/or apprenticing. Check out Karen Pryor Academy and Academy for Dog Trainers (jean donaldson) for more formal training. Check out Atlas Assistance Dog's Facilitator Program for a volunteer service dog position that could be helpful as well in deciding if service dog training is a path you'd enjoy. Hopefully that's helpful!
I want to train a service dog for Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia and Ehlers-Danlos. Do you have a video on retrieving meds or different things that are tailored to these disabilities?
I want to know too but retrieving medications and reminder !
Search up Dallas the Service Doodle!!
Hi H-Dubs! Welcome to the channel! I have an entire series on medication alert and retrieve (10 videos of me training CoolWhip to do it) on my Patreon which you can find at Patreon.com/DoggyU. You can check out all the videos I offer at this link: tinyurl.com/doggyu-community
@@Vantas_Black Hi Vantas! I have an entire 10 video series on exactly that on my Patreon where you can watch me teach CoolWhip to do the behavior. You can join for $3 at Patreon.com/Doggyu - you can also check out all my other videos that I offer in a spreadsheet here: tinyurl.com/doggyu-community
Wish I knew this before I just paid for registration 😣
How do you become a certified dog trainer? I want to get certified so I can train them for Veterans
There's a lot of routes to certification and you have to find one that fits for you - Karen Pryor Academy is a common one. I was certified through a guide dog school specifically first, so I'm not as up to date on other routes.
Im looking into getting a lab to train as my PSD and am looking into classes like the CGC but the public access test is so expensive 😞 While I am thankful the ADA doesn't require documentation or training, I noticed the paperwork to fly with a service dog requires the name of a trainer or organization that trained the dog to perform tasks. Does that mean I do need to do a training course or would I list myself as the trainer? Granted I did get a dog trainer certificate online by taking a course but you can het just about anything online these days 😂 I want my PSD trained the right way and treated the right way, not just for my benefit but also to avoid being the cause of future problems I see with the allowance of service animals do to the fakers 😞
Hey Miss Amber! This video should answer your flight/paperwork question for ya! :) th-cam.com/video/hhWofXJmETg/w-d-xo.html
@@DoggyU Thank you! 🥰
My new landlord said I have to have a certification to have my in-training service dog live with me. Is that legal? What do I do? I'm not going elsewhere, as I can't afford anywhere else.
I love you videos! Is there anything that I need to have or have some sort of proof for public access? Or do I just go when my dog passed everything on the list? Sometimes things can get confusing for me 😅
You definitely do not need any other proof. Highly recommend you check out my Service Dog 101 course if you want to learn more about the service dog laws in the US: courses.doggyu.com/
How do i get a legal service dog
In the US there is no registration of certification required for a service dog. You simply need to meet ADA standards. I have a course that goes over all the applicable laws and etiquette that may be useful if you're just starting out on your journey. You can find that here: courses.doggyu.com/p/service-dog-101
If traveling with my dog over seas does my dog need to pass any test in order to be considered a service dog? Can I still travel with her without passing an exam?
This is really dependent on the country you're traveling to.
Yes I am training mine now I'm still pretty young and my mom says she won't be an REAL service dog❤😢
I have a friend i think would bennefit from a service dog but she is stuck in the mentally of "but my problems are not as severe as blindness or deafness."
I'm thinking there are probably more people out there like her that would benefit from service animal who think their situations arent "severe enough," would you agree?
I do! Heck, I had that mental hangup for a while, and I work in the field! (especially since I was in the guide dog field and have seen the incredible level of work guides do). If their disability is effecting a major life function, AND a dog could help mitigate a portion of the disability without causing their life to be more challenging (because taking care of, raising, financially supporting, training a service dog is a ton of work) than they might be a good fit for your friend.
Thank you !❤
This is very helpful. Thanks for breaking down the test the way you did. In what type of settings is the canine good citizen one usually administered.
Typically, it's at a training center, dog event, or in an outdoor space like a parking lot.
@@DoggyU ok. Thanks
How do you get certified to train them. I am a vet in training and I want to get the ability help strays get a better quality of life. Please any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Laura!
Welcome to the channel. Dog training is an unregulated industry, unfortunately, which means anyone can say they are a service dog trainer.
That being said, I generally recommend starting with volunteering with an Assistance Dog International accredited organization or guide dog school. At the same time you could go through a general dog training program like Karen Pryor Academy or Jean Donaldson's Academy. Once you've had experience with pet dogs, then I recommend a more formalized service dog program. I would check out Atlas Assistance Dogs. Another path that might work is becoming an Atlas Assistance Dog Facilitator which is a volunteer position that includes lots of free education.
That all being said, generally rescues have a relatively low success rate as service dogs. That's not to say there aren't individuals that would be a good fit, but I would definitely check out this article I wrote that will help explain why using rescues doesn't give the owner-trainer the highest rate of success: www.doggyu.com/post/2022/05/19/how-to-choose-a-service-dog-breeder/
The health ambiguity alone presents a very real problem to investing a ton of time, money and resources into training a dog of unknown genetic origin into a service dog. While a few organizations do this, most use well-bred, health-tested animals, and still have a 30-50% success rate. Again, not that rescues can't be service dogs; one of the best service dogs I ever trained was an adult black lab. But that's the exception, not the norm. Here's another video that can help you assess temperament and the type of dog that would do well with this work: th-cam.com/video/I_oC3hCRYDQ/w-d-xo.html
Hi I plan on moving to an apartment do I need to provide a housing letter he doesn't meet breed restriction and I'm training him for both my physical disability and emotionally. I'm worried they won't accept him
I have a guide dog I am also epileptic with top, two diabetes insulin dependent. I want to add to her training to help me with my seizures is that possible?
Hey Tracey!
So you can absolutely train multiple types of tasks for your service dog. That being said, you also want to be conscious of how much responsibility and potential stress you're putting on your dog. One of the reasons most guide dog schools won't cross-train for other types of tasks/disabilities outside of guiding is that guiding can be a really stressful/responsibility-heavy job for a dog, so adding more things might put undue stress on the dog where other medical aids or tools might be a better fit to mitigate a portion of your disability. So, you'd have to evaluate your dog and your situation.
My new next-door neighbor in our four-unit one-story apartment "complex" has what she calls a service dog, a very small overly excited half poodle and God knows what else combo. We have no fencing here. I was surprised she was allowed to have a dog here; nobody else has any pets here. The neighbor is a small lady, younger than I am, and she said she's had multiple surgeries in the past on her spine, upper and lower, and recently had surgery on one wrist. She appears to be in pain most of the time, moves slowly but has no problem hopping up into her jeep and driving out of here like a maniac, lol. She does a bit of walking the dog out front and back on a very long leash. The dog is allowed by this lady to wrap the leash around her legs. I actually told this lady I figure the dog will be the death of her, and she just laughed. She had asked me once to walk the dog a bit, and the damn little thing spotted a guy down the street on a riding mower and easily got off the leash and ran straight toward that mower. I'm 70 but managed to grab the dog and told her sorry, I wasn't gonna kill myself running after any dog at my age. She was insulted and responded, "Well, you have to know how to train the dog." Shouldn't a service dog at least be larger and a calmer breed?
My understanding is any dog can be a service animal (there is no actual law which dogs can/can't), but that is definitely *not* a trained service animal based on your description.
I am so grateful to have found you. Dog training while having a disability is so hard. Thank you so much for this ❤
I’m so glad my videos have been helpful!
Thank you for making this video!
Thanks Paddington for taking the time to leave a comment. Happy Training!
Fantastic video! ❤🎉
Thanks Alisha!
Are there breed exceptions to the tasks in the CGC test? My greyhound cannot sit in the traditional sense, so we are working on down as a substitute.
Hey Zeke - I do believe that it is required for the CGC, no matter the breed, but I would email AKC directly to ask. I've not worked with a ton of greyhounds but one way I've taught it is sitting from the down, so basically pushing up from the sphinx position. Hope that helps!
I listened to this whole video but I dont see the point of a service dog? What is supposed to do exactly? Apart from acompany you around town.
Depends on your disability. Here's a video that describes common psychiatric service dog tasks. However, there's lots of different disabilities, and lots of ways a service dog can help mitigate those disabilities and make independent living easier.
th-cam.com/video/FzKAtk8gH1g/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gi6bS1MlpP019h0U
Random question can u turn a esa in to a service cat
Hey Debbie! Under the ADA, no animals outside of dogs or miniature horses are considered service animals. So, no, your cat would not be covered as a service animal under the ADA.
I trained mine 8 yrs ago and have never had a problem with him, I don't have a vest for him as I live in Arizona and he's long haired so it's too damn hot but I wear his ID badge with his photo on my lanyard. People give me rancid looks but I'm sorry if I fall or have any problems I need him close.
How do I legally make my dogs service dogs in California?
Did you watch the video? There is no test or certification in any of the US states. If you're looking for additional understanding of service dog laws including the ADA, FHA and AACA you can check out my Service Dog 101 Course: courses.doggyu.com/p/service-dog-101
This course also goes over etiquette, dog selection, handling public access issues and more!
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I did watch your video. I didn’t find it helpful. I apologize.
I am looking to make my dogs Emotional Support Dogs so that I can take them to hotels that only allow service dogs. My wife has severe anxiety.
How do I make them service dogs for emotional support?
@@joemomma707 Emotional support and service dogs are two separate things. ESA's do not have public access rights in most states. A service dog is task-trained to respond to your wife's anxiety. Check out this video for more info, but know that ESA's can no longer fly, so that has changed. th-cam.com/video/kx-LVABNaa8/w-d-xo.html
Any tips for a high energy puppy that I want to train to be my service dog? I have a Brittany which is a high energy breed, he comes from a show line so he’s not a crazy hunter but I do understand that he still has hunting instincts! I have been in the hospital and put on an NG tube for my eating and low weight, and struggle to remind my self to eat. I also have other health issues like POTS. One of my pups vets has a daughter with the same issue who has a trained service dog that they taught to remind her to eat. I already have a method on how to train him to remind me, but do you think it’s worth it? He’s currently 4.5 months old and I’m completely new to the SD world but I would really love for him to be with me.
i hear over and over again there is no test, but do you need documentation for things like housing or planes? similar to an esa note from your doctor?
Hi Raynes! I highly recommend you sign up for my upcoming course called Service Dogs 101 that goes over the laws regarding service animals so you can better understand your rights in the US with a service dog. You can find that here: www.doggyu.com/service-dog-training
Planes require the DOT form - you can find my video on flying here: th-cam.com/video/hhWofXJmETg/w-d-xo.html
Housing can require more detailed medical information under the FHA if requested.
This is an interesting video with lots of good information. I wondering your responds though is anyone with a good foundation of dog training can become an evaluator after paying the fee. They give multiple tries to take test
Hey Kate!
Are you asking if some CGC evaluators are more lenient than others? That is definitely the case.
If you're asking if you can take it more than once, you definitely can.
I think ultimately, an evaluator being more lenient is not super consequential, as the goal of the training is for *you* to know your dog is trained. You know if one of your skills isn't as honed as you'd like and can continue to work on it.
But yes, the qualifications for becoming a CGC evaluator can be found here: www.akc.org/products-services/training-programs/canine-good-citizen/become-a-cgc-evaluator/
@@DoggyU Hey there, I was basically saying how anyone can be an Evaluator and that mean some can say your dog past when they truly didnt is what the point I was trying to get across. Also the test to become and Evaluator. Also I am aware of all things relating to service dog and the akc stuff.
I have a toy poodle I’m training due to her size(I have a lab mix or a standard poodle in my program that could possibly work) but as far as SDs being carried is it ok to carry her when she needs a break? She also focuses on me a lot better than the standard poodle. She’s still young so we’re doing obedience and working on the leash more. I would like to do CGC if I can but it’s 2 hours away so I have to plan. Your videos help so much!
Have you tried engagement exercises that teaches your standard to focus on you?
@@cherylmillard2067 I have! I admit I have not been is consistent with her specifically because of my other dogs I need to work on(she was a donation to my breeding program so she’s just a pet right now)that a bit more. She’s gotten better over the last 2 weeks though! Anytime I change my schedule or bring another dog in things get set back a little bit but she’s just a pet for now especially since I wasn’t planning on bringing her in :)
Hello, so I just booked my flight across country from north carolina to San diego and back. I booked through American Airlines I was just now trying to fill out the service dog forms on line and it says..... You're required to have either an
American or Service Dog Pass-issued
Service Animal ID before you travel.
I do not have this ID or pass. Do you know what this is or means or what I need to do? I'm confused sorry lol 😆 🙈🙉
I would call the airline directly for any questions related to paperwork from that airline. That does not sound like the standard DOT form.
My dug is a certified assistance dog here in Sweden, but not through the ADI-affiluatee organization. Why? Nrvwuse the ADI-orhakuzatiok dobt train for my disability (VI) and the orgsnixatiik umI welt tjrough wasn't approved by ADI 'cause the trainers are independent business owners which ADI felt welt aheibst tye non-prifit requirement.....
I'm always amazed at the people who bring their "service dogs" into my training facility who couldn't / can't pass the basic CGC test. I have had 4-5 this year alone. I personally think the US needs a formal service dog test that could be administered by highly trained AKC evaluators. I agree that we should not make the bar so high that a person can not self-train, but I also think that abuses of the system are rampant.
I got a dog yesterday to train myself. I will have higher expectations than she does
Adding the AKC would be a detriment. AKC main objective is paperwork in order to register puppies born, paperwork for champions. But I do agree we need a governing agent to get rid of pets in public cuz owner doesnt want to leave them at home. All my dogs were CGC and certified therapy dogs. Tired of these misbehaving emotional support dogs in public.
@@MyBizOnluPets are allowed in public. They are banned inside restaurants and grocery stores and medical clinics for hygiene. Individual store owners can decide to allow pets in their premises.
I'm a frontline respiratory therapist who cared for the 1st Community spread COVID patient in the United States. I suffer from PTSD. Due to our state laws, I'm not categorized as a first responder, therefore do not have access to the financial resources that others receive. I have 3 young kids, and want to be around to see them grow up. Can somebody help me get a service dog please?
Awesome video. Question, why do people who use positive methods get attacked by people who use balanced training? Every time I comment on a balanced trainers TH-cam and talk about positive reinforcement I get attacked. It upsets me.
Hey Christine,
Training methodology can be really polarizing for people. You'll notice that while I use positive reinforcement methods, I don't specifically advertise my training style often, as my goal is to bring people into the R+ world without making them feel badly about the way they currently train. I don't think there's a ton to be gained by arguing with people on the internet. The way I handle is is to just try to lead by example (and create educational content). I call it "shut up and show off". My biggest complements have come from balanced trainers who can't believe the results I get without the use of aversive tools.
But specifically for what you're talking about, I guess I would think of it this way; I don't eat meat. But I don't go onto meat-eaters youtube pages and talk about being a vegetarian. It just wouldn't go over well :)
Hope that helps!
I would also like to add that recently there has been a lot of... discussion... on social media about which methods are most humane and effective. People are primed to argue at this period in time about balanced and R+. Don't take it personally for sure, because it's the opposite of personal, it's just a social moment. Stick to what your heart tells you when working with your dog and you'll be loved by your dog. Comment on videos that warm your heart and don't comment on the ones that break your heart. Your lack of comment is enough to prevent those videos from getting more attention. I'm glad you are building a good relationship with your dog, and I hope you can stay focused on communities that respect your positive approach to dog training. ❤
One name, Zac George, he is the major problem, his zealots who follow him and do his dirty work are lulled by the emotional and fallacious arguments he uses and often do not have the skillset to train a dog to find itself out of a wet paper bag.
Balanced training is a viable option and does have its place and is necessary in some circumstances. Even then in balanced training it is 90-95% force free, if you're using the four quadrants of operant conditioning, you're not actually training positive only or force free. The use of aversive training tools do have their place, such as dogs with high aggression or reactivity and are one step away from euthanasia are good candidates for such training, but people fail to realize these tools are not to be used in a punitive fashion and they are weaned off these tools the same way other dogs are weaned off of treat rewards. If everyone would be a little more open minded and look at the broader picture with critical thought and reason, educate themselves instead of listening to weak "arguments" consisting of straw man, ad hominem and other fallacious logic, the two training camps can actually start to respect each other.
My girl does everything, except lock her eyes onto me the entire time we are out in public. She still stays close, does her job, and behaves well but the full on eye contact is difficult.
There's nowhere in the ADA that says your dog has to be locked on to you with eye contact. If it's something you desire, you can definitely build it up gradually over time. I like training offered eye contact which you can start with this video: th-cam.com/video/SFTDHi6QCR8/w-d-xo.html
@@DoggyU thank you!!!
How can I give my school the papers proving she is properly trained?
Typically you need to prove that you have a disability, not that the dog is trained professionally. In the US you do not have to have professional training for your service dog.
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I have a long list of conditions that come with being born with one specific fd up genetic condition.... I found a very smart dog dumped because she got pregnant on her first heat and already shows signs when my body is acting up (she looks at me funny and jumps at me naturally). I don't like being jumped on because falling and hitting my chiari head is far more dangerous than a normal person. This video is a review about service dogs, not a training video.
Hi , good morning
Great vid here ,,,,,,, I have a 3 year old labradoodle that I want to train to become a service dog, I’m not a handicapped person and I want to know what is the key process for this specially I want her to fly with me in the plain on a seat next to me , DELTA only allows service dogs and NOT emotional ,,,,,,, my partner and my self are going to do some travel to Costa Rica , Spain next year and we want to take her with us,,,,,, I have never lefter at the vet while I’m gone and she has a little of separation anxiety ,,,,,, I also have almost 13 year old labradoodle but I have a good friend who takes care her whenever I’m gone somewhere ,,,,,, I hope this is not much of the question , lol ,,,, thank you 🙏🏻
If you are not disabled, you do not meet the legal requirements for having a service dog and are not able to train your dog as a service dog, nor legally fly them in a plane as anything other than a pet. Representing your dog as a service dog without it being task trained for your disability is a crime. There are, however, a few airlines now that do accomodate pets like BARK airline, but they are relatively cost-prohibitive.
Just for those who are reading this's benefit: service dogs are not allowed to fly in a seat. They are required to be in your footspace or on your lap.
It can be trying and irritating to have a service dog right now in this world. People are all the time just watching for your dog to fail so that they can call your dog a fake and call you out. Or at least that's how you all the time, like you're being looked at because of all the internet videos of that exact thing. When you add that to owner training your dog you have imposter syndrome times 100! Some days it is really hard to deal with.
I'm so confused
She is correct. However the laws are changing. Many states can now denie ESA fir housing ect.Also they are allowed to ask what kind of job does your dog do. A service dog has to have a job or its ESA Airlines are also dening ESA animal. Yes this is legal under ADA. Stop relaying in the. There is no required tesr and they cany ask for paperwork. That is slowy changing. The things I have mentioned are loopwholes. Companies, Business landlords are able to use now.
My dog is going to be my new service dog my old dog used to be a service dog because because because we got bit by I talked to everybody but her story about being bit by the pit my new dog is going to be my girlfriend song the and it's a I mean he's name is steps when fighting I only know that I'm going to sleep
I wish we had a CGC evaluator here. Oh, we have several, but I refuse to have my dog evaluated by any of them. They all require you to take a class (fees ranging from $300 to over $1,000) to prepare for the exam. Okay, I'll go for that. Oh, wait. No, I won't go for that. Every single one of them is a "balanced" trainer (if you're a balanced trainer, great for you, but I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to use a shock collar or a prong collar on my 8 1/2 pound friendly boy and as his guardian, I absolutely refuse to do that and I can live just fine without a CGC, thank you very much) who insists on using "corrections" if the dog makes a mistake. I hope you don't use painful punishment on humans if they make a mistake or do something you don't like. Sorry, but no way am I paying someone to jerk my dog around or shock my dog.
Hi Jan! Where are you located? I might be able to give you a recommendation for a positive reinforcement-based trainer in your area.
I do understand when trainers would like you to take a class before the CGC, as teaching classes is one way that trainers earn a living *and* make sure that your dog is prepared and you don't pay for a test that you're not ready for. But in any event, I definitely understand not wanting to give your money to someone with a training style that you don't agree with. Happy to help you try to find an evaluator in your area!
But again, not required. But you could have a friend administer the test for you, like I mentioned in the video to see how you do! Great way to practice!
@@DoggyU I'm in the Knoxville, TN area. And I don't mind taking a class at all. I just have an issue with using aversive techniques on my dog.
@@janhankins911 Hey Jan! So I did some digging and it looks like this company is R+ based. While they don't directly outline a CGC class, I'd email and ask if any of their people are evaluators. There's several trainers there that hold certifications and I'm guessing one of them is an evaluator. Hope that helps! www.dogstokevin.com/
@@DoggyU I'm aware of All Dogs Go to Kevin and would have gone there. Unfortunately, their Knoxville business closed. Thanks so much for the time and effort you put in!
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