Damn straight. Lydon is a truth teller and a more decent man than most give him credit for. He should get a beautiful, commemorative tombstone when his time comes. What should it say? I don't know. 'You ever get the feeling you've been cheated?!', perhaps. Or whatever gets lovingly graffitied on it by those who know. Love that dude.
I think he would have been better believed if it wasn't for the behaviour of some of his bandmates. The Sex Pistols were so notorious for mudslinging that many would have just dismissed Johnny's accusations as spiteful jealousy.
@@Croz89 Which was kind of the whole point of Punk! One Giant “Fuck you” to entrenched power! Speaking Truth to Power, especially those dark recesses where abhorrent behaviour is allowed to flourish & no-one talks about, too afraid to “rock the boat”.
@@Anamnesia In the case of the Sex Pistols, that amounted to insulting other people and bands who had done nothing to them or anyone else, just because they didn't like who they were or what they played. Sid Vicious was notorious for his violence and animal abuse. Not trying to pin the blame on Johnny here, but with friends like that is it any wonder nobody believed him?
There is always a power dynamic with predators. He chose victims who couldn't or wouldn't fight back, seeing them as weak and disposable. In many ways, this is the mindset of "sheep vs. wolves" where a predator self loathes any vulnerability within themselves and preys on the vulnerability of others.
Predators blame their victims, as if the victim is in collusion with the predator by being weak, as if weakness deserves to be punished, as if it's the victim's own fault they were abused. This is the kind of sloughing of responsibility for their actions, and their affect on their victims, that marks out the sadistic, inadequate psychopath.
Yes, narcissists hate weak people. They can't understand it as they have no empathy, but the fact is that narcissists are very weak, but believe they (the false self) are very strong.
@@brennadickinson3562 that's it exactly! That is absolutely the bottom line isn't it ? They hate weakness and start to see any goodness as weakness that deserves punishment. Like they hate life and want you to hate it as well. They hate you for your joy and want to squeeze every single drop of it from you. Strip you of a goodness that kids naturally have. They hate you for being you and being alive.
@@lorimiller4301 They also hate you for your kindness and unwillingness to stoop to their level. When and if you do expose them, the predator always brings out all their ammunition and paradoxically acts with shock and lashes out with "How dare you?" "The nerve of you treating me this way!!"
You're all coping hard here. Predators don't feel inferior to their victims and they don't see anything from themselves in their victims. Do you think wolf feels inferior to the sheep he will eat? You were all probably abused and that's how you cope with being victims.
Here's a theory...Savile knew of people far bigger and much more powerful than him who were doing worse than he was. This will still be the case today.
I think it would be foolish not to see this as plausible. At the very least, an open mind would be necessary to try and discover/prevent this sort of thing
We felt as Children that there was "something off" about Jimmy Saville but we couldn't put our fingers on and he was creepy and we wouldn't want to meet him. When it broke after his death that he had been abusing people in environments where they should be safe we were glad that we hadn't met or written to Jimmy Saville. The bigger shock i think for a lot of people was when Rolf Harris was arrested, he seemed a normal Uncle figure that we saw on telly but as Esther Rantszen said in an interview it isn't monsters we fear it is the people we know.
Yes Rachel, I was the same. Not surprised at all about Jimmy Savile but gobsmacked about Rolf Harris!!! Makes me wonder (not taking in the number of victims) who was actually the worst! We all felt we would avoid Savile but probably would have run up to Rolf for a hug!!!! So scary to think about really.
Rolf Harris was arrested in 2013 for allegations of assault in 1980, but he's actually been cleared and released. They tried to get him for CP after finding porn on his computer, even though it was an adult site. They even checked the age of the younger models/actresses in case they were underage. Every now and then the govt push crown prosecution to convict for these types of crimes because they consistently fail to meet targets.
Yes. As a child, I was equally terrified and disgusted by Saville. It was so intense. Curiously, ALL the celebrities I despised as a child were ALL child preditors. I wish adults would pay attention to their children. Children are still learning to communicate, so listen to what they are trying to say.
He was first sent to court in the late fifties. He talked his way out of it. Later on in his career the papers tried to run stories several times. They were advised against doing so by their legal team. He was aggressive when held to account, and so nobody had the stomach for it but attempts were made. @@williamford8027
I was abused as a child, this was not from family, but i held in anger for years and built myself up to be a very large physical person, i also became a manager of a large company, this made me forget my childhood traumas. I had bariatric surgery which halved my size but along with this caused physical problems which has crippled me, this also made me have to leave my work. i have many spinal problems since the weight loss, a year after my weight loss i made my first attempt in taking my life. My mother has always said i seamed different immediately after my weight loss operation in her words i lost my spark, i have attempted to end my life multiple times since this but never had the thought to do it as a large person. I believe i created my persona to help me battle my childhood weaknesses and due to the weight loss and physical strength it opened everything up, and i first spoke about my abuse when the jimmy Saville story broke, since then i have been under the care of mental health services and still feel suicidal today.
Mr Ferguson I won't say a bunch of platitudes in hopes it will make u feel better. But please just know I am so so so sorry for what you endured as a child that obviously damged you. You didn't deserve that. No one does. I'm only happy now you are here and currently under the care and advisement of a mental health professional. You matter. You are valuable and yes you are loved. Thank you for being brave enough to care enough about your well being to seek help in healthier ways. It won't be for naught 💞
I think what you've written there is incredibly insightful and moving. People often talk in general media about "breaking down people's walls" or "removing their defences" as a good thing, but sometimes people need their defences. Sometimes people aren't ready to have them taken down just yet. That said, people can recover without need of the defences, it's just an incredibly challenging road to walk. I'm sorry you're still struggling. I just wanted to say I hope you can gradually find your way through, and I wanted to thankyou for sharing this
I was a child aged 10 in England in 1975 and I can’t recall any friends or other kids ever saying anything positive about Savile . There were other high profile DJs whom were popular because they were funny like Noel Edmunds or Kenny Everett and others whom we’d poke fun at but Savile wasn’t at all popular or worthy of interest other than being a noticeable show off whom seemed a bit too old or unattractive when compared to the rest involved with Radio 1 or kids tv. Then there was that strange noise he’d make ....🤮👍
@@jwsuicides8095 😃I can’t recall which brand of Sportswear he favoured- but if he was gifted one particular brand it must’ve been fun for their competitors!
I remember as a kid we weren't allowed to watch him. My dad was one of the best men Ive ever known, and he never met anyone he didn't like, and even he didn't like Saville. If he came on the telly, we weren't allowed to watch him. I could never understand how u could take one look into his eyes and not know he wasn't a safe person.
Stories like this are awful but humans are also forgetful. It's why I'm against pieces of history to do with slavery being destroyed. It's not that I'm pro slavery, it's because it's there to perpetually remind generations why it's a bad idea
Problem is, as in the case of the confederate statues, we don't use statues to tell history, we use them to venerate. Honestly though I dont mind keeping the statues whole, but maybe we should place them in museums, where we actually teach history
Every race, every ethnicity, and every religion has had slaves and been used as slaves. Rather than being divisive, it's one of the few common threads of unity all people have
For me the worse part of the abuse was not being believed. Not only did it let the abuse continue but it made me believe that there must have been something wrong with me. That somehow it was my fault and a part of me never stopped feeling that way.
Jimmy's relationship with his mother always reminds me of Norman Bates from the Psycho franchise. With the whole yes Mother, I'll do what you ask mother etc.
@@jeremysmith54565Ed Gein's mother was a religious nut who isolated him from all human contact & beat him regularly. The suspicious death of his 11 yr old brother is widely thought to be probably down to Ed. A psychiatrist who treated him many years later said he was still very mentally unwell despite years of treatment in the psych facility & "really not making any sense" when she tried to have a therapy session with him .
it does seem a lot of (not all of) serial killers and disturbed men had either an abusive mother, no mother, or a weird relationship with their mother. It's never an excuse of course but i do find it weird I have seen no one really talk about it.
CAN'T HEAR SOME OF THE AUDIO? Try using earphones in both ears. The Savile clips are panned to only one ear...I don't know why, I didn't notice until this was uploaded, so it's too late to fix. But switch ears, if you can't hear quotes Sorry for the caps, just wanted it to stand out Patreon link: patreon.com/mylittlethoughttree Instagram link: instagram.com/little_thought_tree
Hey was this heavily censored? I'm about 5min behind live time for the premier and there's a lot of audio missing. Is it playing on the left speaker only?
I appreciate you taking a very calm and measured approach here and I think your efforts to tackle it with empathy for those victimized really come through. I feel it's important to try and better understand what is a very challenging topic and you do so without becoming either sensationalist nor callous. Thank you.
I found it very interesting that you made a whole down-time section at the end, because watching this video made me feel nothing at all. And it was exactly the same when I watched the Netflix documentary, right up until they started doing interviews with the survivors, and then I couldn't bear it. I'm nearly 40 and I've struggled with mental health my whole life. I've also always had a morbid fascination with the worst things humans do to each other, obsessively reading about serial killers and so forth. I always wanted to understand WHY they did what they did, and what made them that way. But it never made me feel horrified or harrowed, the way you describe in the last section of the video. Last year a life event happened that caused me to seek therapy and for the first time ever talk about some of the stuff that happened to me as a kid that I'd never told anyone. My therapist taught me that there is a difference between intellectually understanding/ analysing something versus being able to access it emotionally. It had not occurred to me before watching your video that I probably seek out this sick shit on a regular basis as a way of trying to intellectually understand why my father did those things to me, because there has to be a REASON, right? There HAS to be, otherwise it was all just horrible and banal and evil and pointless and I didn't deserve for it to happen. This video was easy to watch, but if you did an episode on the people that Saville preyed on...I don't know if I could watch that. When I watched the lady in the documentary, I started getting dizzy and nauseous and I had to go puke after. In your video, I was 100% fine until you got to the last bit, and then I became incredibly anxious. I hate this. I hate that my brain works backwards, where I'm the best person to have in a crisis situation when someone is bleeding and needs to go to the ER and everyone else is freaking out and losing their minds, but if I have a bad day and lose a pencil or something it cripples me. I don't even know why I'm still writing this TH-cam comment. I feel like a bad person for not feeling anything until you literally said that it should be upsetting.
@@tazandalsoalastname Well I'll firstly say whatever your experience is, it sounds an incredibly difficult one and I hope seeking therapy proves beneficial. We're never too old to stop developing. Most importantly, I should say it's a fault of my wording if the video made it seem like you were supposed to feel upset watching this. You're not at all. I too watched all of the documentary mostly fine, except for the victim's interview which made me cry. Too often people look on a lack of emotion as "heartlessness." Sometimes it's just things feel too painful to dare think about, or to let yourself feel. Something intellecutalising things is a defence...and sometimes defences aren't bad. That would be like criticising a turtle for having a shell. Maybe it needs the shell right now? And that is not to say you not feeling moved IS a defence against overwhelming feelings, it's just a possibility. Your example of a crisis situation when someone bleeding is a wonderful example for how we sometimes need to not focus on our feelings. I suppose I'm just saying please don't feel like a bad person for not feeling moved by this video. The warnings and the down time are there because some people will feel "too moved", let's say. Too overwhelmed. The fact you were not is no criticism. Perhaps reflecting on and trying to make sense of your why some things affect you where others don't, will prove beneficial. Hopefully therapy itself will be very useful for that reflection. Perhaps also even reflecting on why not feeling moved by certain things should make you feel bad about yourself. Those could be important experiences to wonder about a little bit, but I certainly wouldn't chastise yourself
Hi, I'm only at the beginning of the video so far, but I just want to tell you how much I appreciate your intergity as a counsellor and how ethical you always try to be. As a psychology student and hopefully future therapist, that sweeping, definite psychoanalyzing and diagnosing of people that some of these "internet therapists" tend to do leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I really appreciate that you don't do that kind of thing. You're so down to earth and humble, it really shows that you take your line of work seriously and take pains to do it well, that you genuinly care about people, think about stuff, that it hasn't gone to your head. It's one of the reasons you're probably my favourite channel now. I appreciate you so much. We need more people like you. Thank you and take care.
Thankyou very much! That's incredibly kind of you to say. I do try to be as sincere as I can. I've never wanted to provide concrete answers to anything so much as to encourage thought. I never set out to be down to earth and humble but I can't deny it's nice to hear that i come across that way 😊
Yeah, and remember, the parents are people too, with their own backgrounds. I see a tendency of people blaming parents and calling them the source of the evil, while they aren't the ultimate source ofcourse, because they were once children themselves. It's the old "cold mother" caricature, that just don't seem to get away. Further do I wonder how many mothers got the label "cold mother" by psychiatrists, of children that were abused within the church.
@@harrynac6017 a very good point. Whilst the parenting obviously has a massive affect on who a child becomes, when people just say "it's the parent's fault" that ultimately achieves nothing. It feels satisfying to imagine the question has been "answered" in such a straightforward way, but if a parent doesn't help their children enough, then there's definitely going to be a reason for that. It's why I passionately believe all new parents should be given far, far more support and some education too. Because maybe with the right help, they can manage the needs of their children far better. Supporting them would perhaps means less need to directly support the child later in life
I've researched alot to try figure myself out .Two big ones for a client ,they have to feel believed and heard.the client has to accept and know they've a problem( I believe this should be put in the contract to stop any time wasted for you and the client .95% of my family and freinds don't believe what I tell them and its soul crushing. I wish you great luck In your future .
To me he is the most haunting of our modern devils. But I'll say this, your presentation was both brilliant and gave me the very first (and likely last, it's too hard to contemplate for long) consideration of the utter horror of that little boy's upbringing in terms of it being the chrysalis of the total monster the man became.
I found this to be deeply profound and respectful. We can clearly feel your trepidation for the subject matter in this video, and you tackle it with sincerity and without grandiose statements or sensationalism. I watched the Saville documentary recently and found it to be one of the most gruesome and uncomfortable stories I've ever heard, and I tend to watch a lot of true crime. Hearing your perspective has made me feel even more empathy for the victims. Let's hope we keep going in an ever greater direction focusing on the healing and the prevention of these crimes in the future.
so i am only at the starty of this vid but i still agree hugfely with your comment... to be perfectly honest it is actually a helpful thing to provide...my dad, though not to the same prolific degree, has strong comparable history bto saville...he is currebtly serving a 17year sentence for abusing someone who he had previpously gone inside for about a year at most when in was around 3 (i am 32 now and he wentndown this time when i was about 29) so it is not hyst similar that he was an abuser but he also got away with it by iding in plain sight be very charming & well known & using that to gaslight his victims... And similar to saville despite outwardly showing what looked like emotions or feelings or morals he woukld NEVER own up to this side of him even despite pleading guilty meaning he mnight be nearly out now... and i consider myself pretty well in tune with people's emotions/drives and that often leads me to being strongly empathetic and giving ppl who have maybe done pretty bad things some benefit of the doubt...but with bmy Dad i just CAN'T i can't underrstandf the psychology and can't undrstand how a supposed psychopath coukd be SO good at feigning emotions
Two of my family actually met him. My grandma was in one of his clubs in Leeds with a friend and jimmys bouncer came up and said “jimmy would like to see you in his office”. My grandma declined and when jimmy came out of his office a few minutes later he actually spat on my grandma as he walked past her. My uncle met him too a few times near roundhay, said they have a few chats and he always seemed like a fairly nice guy
I met Saville many times when I went dancing at the Leeds Mecca. I was also invited to go up to his office when he was the manager. I was fourteen ! He was in his mid thirties. He liked young girls. He tried it on more than once. I told him in no uncertain words to ‘get lost’ !! He creeped me out then and I and all my friends who also went there gave him a wide birth. It was common knowledge that he assaulted those young girls who were tricked into going upstairs to his office. He was a monstrous - evil perverted predator. A danger to young girls and young women. He molested patients in the hospitals he volunteered in - and the nurses- and children in care homes and schools. Even the bodies in the morgue. Many children are neglected or suffer neglect - many children have less than ideal childhoods - they don’t become monsters like him as a result. Yes he made money for charity but he also kept quiet about charging up to £3000 for turning up or taking part in these events because he knew his celebrity would help the charity to raise more money and money gave him power. I know that to be true from personal experience involved in a charity. He got away with all his vile behaviour and never faced the consequences of the lives he destroyed or damaged. He targeted a victim at every session of the mecca dance hall which opened afternoons and evenings every day of the week. And he alone managed it every day. There were hundreds and hundreds of victims many of whom never came forward. And who would blame them? I must say this is the first time I have heard about the behaviour of his siblings.
That’s exactly why people who do that often are nasty to people who refuse their attention. A young man who worked with me decided it was appropriate to stand behind me and whisper in my ear ‘ your body is just perfect’ and squeezing my breasts. I removed his hands and said ‘ that was completely inappropriate’ I told my manager. He checked out the video of the store cctv and saw what happened. He sacked the young man straight away. As he left he called me a ‘ stuck up bitch’
What your dad needs to realise is it's the victims of the abuse that are important and not controversy or Saville himself. You have done a great analysis of his personality and hit on major points that other profeesionals have hit on and exposed in their view on his personality traits. It's good for you to do this in your line of work. It's also necessary for everyone out here to be able to spot these types of sick individuals in the future whether from a possible victim point of view or an on looker who can expose them and help to put an end to their behaviour. Thank you for the podcast and keep up the good work!
He was so arrogant and knew he was untouchable because he threatened to bring so many down with him if anything happened to him.Great video.People need to be told the truth
I commented on the 'documentary' (untouchable) ..... People in power are always bandying around - "nobody is above the law" - Mr Vile was! Then there was the ginormous councillor - Mr Smith ..... He had the same ability - had loads of pertinent-legal matters quashed! Guess they're all part of the same gang ....
He was basically a gangster, and made it his business to find info to blackmail people with, no matter what the info was. It's said he got away with things at Broadmoor because he found out a lot of the staff were abusing the overtime system. As for his sexual offending, it's now known that the vast majority of it was done alone. He was very calculating and it meant nobody else had the full picture of what he was up to. He also had free access to school, hospitals and prisons. He had no real need to be part of a wider ring. He also benefitted from the social attitudes at the time. Many people didn't know about paedophilia, but also didn't want to know. They were wilfully blind. It was much the same thing with domestic violence.
I'm a firm believer that it is the responsibility of all adults, not just parents, to address difficult truths in order to help change them for society. (At least the able ones) We can't begin to change difficult issues like pedophilia if we don't begin to address it by discussing it. Interesting how in retrospect several of his interviews seem to allude to his darker tendencies upon further consideration. Perhaps it is a first step in addressing the issue if we explore the psychology in perpetrators. I feel very mournful for the victims and hope they are able to find peace and healing. Well done with the video I feel you handled with as much delicacy as can be managed for the topic. I particularly liked the insight on narcissism as I never considered the sensitive ego before.
Seems Saville victimized anyone in a vulnerable position, even people in their 80s not just kids. I don’t know if there’s a name for it, people call him a “sexual predator”
@@willdenham if the difficult truth is someone you know is attracted to minors you want to address that truth to change it to reduce harm... what do you mean?
@@yungpr1ma588 If you're original comment were still up I would be able to address it. It wasn't as cut and dry as what you are stating now. Of course it's impossible to address. The issue went beyond him being 'attracted' to them, he was abusing them and had access to the vulnerable with carte blanche.
I wonder who his father was. He never talked about him only about his mother. So either his father was also abusing him even harder, or just did nothing.
It's so weird that, in the video, the common denominator of the three abusers is identified as the MOTHER, not the father. I think it's far more notable that all three of them copied their father's behavior - by working in hospitals and abusing girls and women there - than their mother being a cold woman. I guess it's a thing of psychologists to blame the mother before anyone else.
After hearing analyses of various really horrible people I lean towards the idea that no child is born evil. Villains arn't born, they are created. Created by sub-par parents who do not care enough to understand the importance of their role. It's frustrating and heartbreaking at the same time. Society as a whole seems to view having children as a right and something which is necessary to be called a complete human being, rather than a privilege.
I don't think children are born evil however I do think that certain people have a disposition towards things that can cause evil. Maybe that is a genetically inherited mental health condition. I think that combined with the societal factors causes people to go that way.
I would only caveat that by saying not ONLY created by the parents. There are a tonne of other factors too, some of which may be more important in certain circumstances, some of which may even affect the parent's abilities to parent effectively.
I knew many people, nurses, kids etc. who knew Saville both negatively and positively. Your insight into this story is exceptional. I'll now finish the programme.
Interesting video. Being from the U.S. I never heard of Savile before his death. The story of his getting away with such atrocity for so many decades is truly disturbing, especially for the children affected. A book I highly recommend for anyone wanting to protect their children from "friends" that are not on the up and up is entitled "Why, Gary, Why?" by Jody Plauche. He was abused by his karate teacher for a year or more during which time the abuser -- his karate teacher, who was quite popular -- also gained the trust of his family before abducting him from Louisiana and taking him to Los Angeles, California. Long story short, the police were able to trace him (due to a collect phone call) and retrieve the boy who was I think 11 years old by that time. The child had his reasons for not admitting to ANYONE that he had been so much as touched, but thankfully he was taken to a hospital while still in LA and a rape test kit was used on him which proved he had been abused. There is a lot more to the story, and Jody -- that young boy who is now a mature adult -- wrote a book about it which will help people understand what the child is often going through and his/her reasoning for not telling, etc. He also gives tips for parents on how to watch out for others who may have the same kind of ulterior motives that his abductor had. Although all of this happened about 38 years ago, the book was not completed and published until 2019.
I think it's a reflection of the 20th century across the globe. People were very naive about paedophilia, and quite often didn't want to know. People in positions of power were worshipped, and victims often blamed. Just look at Bill Cosby.
I voted caution/against making this video. I was wrong. I have a strange relationship with "true crime" and how sensationalist it can be. This was not that. It was sensitive, balanced and showed the importance of talking about these matters but kept those who were victimised at the heart throughout. Thank you
I remember as a child in the 1970s/80s I wanted to write in to Jim'll Fix It but my Mum refused to let me, she obviously saw something in this man then, despite all his popularity. Looking back at the footage of him, he was just vile, a total creep. I really enjoyed your analysis of him, especially the sheer emptiness of his being, the empty void of his personality. Talking of personalities like Savile will hopefully prevent such a thing being so easily perpetrated again.
@@roseaduke8835 Let's not victim-blame here. Kay's mother was clearly astute, but responsibility lies solely at the feet of the abuser and the people who facilitated that abuse.
I think a lot about his epitaph, "it was fun while it lasted." how it was the vicious monstrous last words of a bastard, and how it was a cheap throw away line devoid of sentiment and introspection. A line said by someone just to have something to say. An imitation of profundity and good cheer.
effing hell i didnt know that yoyr si rught... it's not judt so have something to say thoiugh imo it is to try & give the pretense from beyond the grave of having no regrfets/ seeing it as jjust fun
Very true. He was facile and trivial from cradle to grave. He had no inner workings, just an impulse to abuse and the guilt which drove him to try and make up for it by doing good. Totally unable to process nuance. It was all extremes with Saville.
On the topic if his psyche was empty: I don't remember his name, but there's this psychologist here on TH-cam who (identifies? is properly diagnosed?) is also a narcissist, which he admits openly, and he uses his platform to educate people on that personality, how to deal with it and what to expect, etc. I don't follow him anymore bc he creeps me out. But an important thing I learned from some of his videos, and I think he emphasizes the fact every so often, is that he is indeed an empty shell. There's no one there, except for the narcissist. Behind those eyes, there lurks no personality, no character, nothing but narcissism and emptiness, because everything he is IS the narcissist, nothing else. I have no idea if he's for real or not, but it sounds very much like what you described here. Also I had previously heard of the dark triad, but I had no idea that one person could be all three of them. That's ... scary
Remarkable - so insightful. Most helpful for us to try to understand Jimmy Saville. He's somebody no one understood - nor, apparently, wants to understand. You've broken an important taboo. We need to understand Saville. Your measured analysis of his life is amazing - from his bizarre upbringing, personality traits and career, leading to the probable motivations for his crimes is most revealing. There's so much to learn from this. Well done indeed. Thank you.
In so many videos I've seen about people who have done horrible things, they are often dismissed through the overtly simplistic lens as being horrible people through and through and little else, but you break his circumstances down so thoughtfully, compassionately and considerably. You convey that he was a human being who was incredibly emotionally stunted, and used his charm and quick wit as a means of overcompensating for his truly unforgivable dark side, which he'd tried to shove down time after time. The added personal anecdote you shared made this understandably poignant. Especially with fame, it seems like he felt incredibly conflicted with himself, and although his cool, confident demeanor, demonstrable experience, and especially his proclivity for charity clearly catalyzed him to royalty (and knighthood at that), the subtle, inadvertent hints and glimpses of how spiritually broken he truly was would eventually take precedent in how the general public viewed him overall. It's unfortunate though that even the recent Netflix documentary, though it rightfully focuses on his influence in society and the people he genuinely inspired, has only highlighted the truth of his heinous crimes after he died. I can see how, in some way, with the bias from his extraordinary influence, people were hesitant to do a deep dive, simply because his sinister nature is extremely difficult to accept. But with time, we put our feelings aside and have to face the truth.
I believe psychologists call it "personality fracture". Serious offenders like that are able to effectively become two (or more) people. They hide their offending and cultivate a different personality to disguise it all. It's why people are always shocked when they find out the paedophile or serial killer was someone they knew.
If you watch the many documentaries there was no deep dive until after his death because despite several Police interviews re allegations from women, he would threaten the interviewers that he socialised with their bosses & hed have their jobs & sue them to boot. ( He held a weekly social event he organised himself, with senior local Police) . His own friend , from the very start of his career, said he was always paying off parents of underage girls he'd assaulted. There were even football chants about Saville that Leeds ( his home town) fans used against other teams, re his hanging around Hospital morgue.
I think understanding perpetrators is important. It might help us see the warning signs and prevent tragedies in the future. Another thing that helps is more survivor stories. Them being supported could lead to a more empathic society.
of course, spending time studying personality types can help you know what to expect out of a person, and personalities are all different for different races too.
Race is a distraction Psychology and Behavioural analysis is what the focus needs to be. Race is getting into politics and other areas that aren’t relevant or apply.
Excellent measured analysis. Have you considered the possibility of this family being involved in a cult of some sort? The fact that all 3 sons were involved in sexual abuse indicates the possibility of ongoing sexual abuse within the home and makes me wonder what may have happened to the girls. Being devout and attending Church can be a 'cover' for cult groups. The depth of depravity of Jimmy, the brothers involved in sexual abuse, the instant 'healing' ie overnight credited to going to church, (from something a Dr has given the prognosis as death), the detachment of the mother, involving Jimmy in the deaths at the care home - these make me think this is much deeper than an emotionally neglected childhood. It may be that Jimmy is 'empty' because he was abused to the point of dissociation - broken, maybe not by neglect, but with intent.
Good points. His father was involved. His dad had links to Peter Sutcliffe’s father. He was knighted by the Pope. He was very high up in the satanic order and provided children for abuse to the rich, famous and VIP.
Look into MKULTRA. He was into satanic rituals. As has been said in many articles since his death. There’s a LOT more to his story and life than the media and this video touches on, there’s a deeper and more sinister connection between a lot of these people. The politicians and royals he was close to.
@@lorimiller4301 I think the "cult" they were involved with was the Catholic church. We all now know now rampant child abuse was in the Catholic church. Child abuse just wasn't discussed in those days and people in authority were not believed. It was almost considered more dirty to talk about it than to commit the crime. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out he'd been sexually abused himself.
What always struck me about Saville was, here's a man doing all this charitable work for 'the people' and yet I never sensed any warmth or love for real people. Except the weird fixation on his mother. How much of the charity work was to validate the youngest family member in the eyes of his mother? To prove his worth. Also, I wonder how much of the larger than life bleached hair, wacky clothes etc, was about creating a a character for the real, damaged, him to hide behind?
@@RM-ti8nf Yes. It does beg the question. We all give to charity collectors every now and then. But when it appears to become your whole life, something else is urely happening.
Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols said Saville was dodgy on air and they never released the footage. Piers Morgan, for all his faults allowed Johnny to speak on it in an interview years back
Jimmy Savile is but one of many horrors of years gone by... But then there are the more recent ones which also get swept under the carpet; Rotherham grooming gangs, Jeffrey Epstein, etc. We (as a society) don't know how to react. We know we should react, but we feel helpless to help once a person's innocence has been extinguished... Darkness doesn't "sell"... 😣
“The Duchess” reminds me a lot of Beatrice Horseman (cold, neglectful, verbally abusive, never watched or claimed to never watch her son’s shows), which makes me wonder if that character was inspired by her.
Sounds like Karen Carpenters' mother. She adored Richard but just didn't acknowledge Karen at all. Couldn't even say she loved her when Karen desperately needed her to.
@@lorimiller4301 That's a very sad example. Her bio pic really showed how desperate she was to please her mother and get her approval and love. Very sad.
Sadly, the world has seen more than its fair share of bad parents and Beatrice Horseman could have been based on anybody. Nobody really knew Jimmy Saville's mother, so I doubt it's her. It's interesting though that so many criminals have had terrible relationships with their parents.
I am curious. Why does youtube allow nude yoga and massage videos because they are "educational" but you can't educate people about dark topics without avoiding certain words? Talk about a double standard.
I was born in 1961 - so grew up with Savile as a TV personality. It’s just not true to say he was universally adored - everybody thought he was a creep in my experience. I’m sure he had his fans but he was no where near as popular as you may think. Fix it was popular despite him. Of course the BBC revolved around its ‘stars’ and constantly promoted his charity work, marathon running etc. giving the impression that he was far more beloved than he actually was.
He was one of the top presenters in the 70s and 80s even in the 60s he was in ferry across the Mersey and he was close to the Beatles, Chris Tarrant dressed up as him on a episode of tiswas, he had far more charisma than Tony Blackburn and Mike Read.
A norwegian psychologist named Aina Sundt Gullhaugen has proposed a new model which suggests that repressed shame is actually at the core of psychopathy. She thinks that psychopaths are people who have or have had so much problems with shame that they can't deal with it. And so much of their behaviors can be explained as them unconsciously avoiding shame. Her model is called the "Dynamic Model of Psychopathy". The model aims to explain the internal problems that the psychopaths face themselves (even though they won't admit it). She's said that we won't be able to treat psychopathy until we understand what's difficult for the psychopath. We can't treat that which we don't understand. So she's been trying to lay a foundation for clinical treatment of psychopaths. She is more optimistic than most when it comes to psychopathy. It's a bit refreshing to see there's still people trying to find treatment options. But she has never said it would be easy. It would take a lot of time. And it would also depend on how willing the psychopath is in being there.
From my perspective Saville create his "image"/himself, to protect his remaining pieces of "true himself". On different stages of learning, people's perception is different. If he was rejected by his mother as a child, or she gave him constant signal: "you're not good enough". No wonder he tried to buy her love, atention, affection. It doesn't matter how hard he tried to be "good enough". After many attempts, the pain is too overwhelming and it's easier, safe, to hide deep inside "true self". And also it's easier ti show, give, to others what they want or need. This "hurt entity" inside is quite satisfied that still is able to make others smile, give a bit happiness, amusement, etc. Also this hidden "nature" seek sort of revenge for all suffering. It's like primal instinct, and some people are not able to hide it efficiently. I might be wrong. It's only my opinion. Best regards.
I had heard a psychologist discuss narcissist having an emotionally stunted age of around 18mths which if I remember correctly he was implying was due to neglect, abuse or something else disrupting child development.
Thank you so much for this video. I found it to be very insightful. I grew up in a country outside UK, so only heard of Savile not long before his death, having watched Louis Theroux's interviews with this shell of a man. In particular I appreciated your observation about Savile having no sense of boundaries, because that comes across in almost all his interactions with others, even those he didn't abuse. I can remember feeling uncomfortable while watching the Theroux interviews. Savile was clearly gaming Louis in an attempt to evade any level of insight or truth. In essence, Savile was always in control of the interview.
The people who enabled him and then act as if they had no idea are more distasteful. I find it naive to assume he's the only person in media behaving this way. But the heat is getting too much with all the current scandals pointing in that direction so here's today's boogie man to misdirect the public.
It was around 35 minutes in when I realised that understanding somebody's psychology brings about feelings of sympathy... I'd never considered that before. I've been fascinated with Savile for a while because I can't just chalk him up to being a psychopath because there seems to be something more there. This has been phenomenal listening and viewing, I think I'll have to watch a second time for more info to digest.
Yes. I get that. After a while, I realise one can't blame the parents as, maybe they were abused too? ..and so on and so on all the way back. Blaming doesn't help and vengeance, (disguised as judgement,) swiftly follows. A profound lack of love seems to permeate these types of case.
There's 1 moment in the Louis Theroux doc where Saville is getting in his car & his mask slips just momentarily & he looks utterly lost, bereft & miserable. I had to replay it to make surev I wasnt imagining it. That's a look I've seen in people who are deeply, deeply depressed with unaliving ideation.
@@jogriffiths5766of course one can blame the abuser even if he himself was abused. It's a challenge most people don't have sure but it's on people to end it. Another story of generational abuse is rose west , serial killer. She and her husband were peak. The kids couldnt exactly follow as per publicity. With her kids. Well. One slept with a minor so he still managed to kinda suck. A daughter might be alright. Another son committed suicide.
Thank you for making this video. Not being British, I never really had any exposure to Savile. My husband wrote into Jim Will Fix It though. It’s hard to understand how ubiquitous Savile really was, not having been exposed to it. Knowing that he was makes this story truly chilling. It’s nice to hear another aspect of the story that no one else has really addressed. It’s important to pick this case apart and look at every piece. Every time we do this, it goes to prevent this from happening continuously
I love your choice of images, for the parts when there’s no need for specific visual reference. A nature hike isn’t distracting. It’s weirdly immersive. Creepy trail on a cloudy day.
This to me is the most important part of exploring such cases. HOW and WHY does someone become a monster? Yes it’s important to look at how to identify one…but the making of a dark triad vs the nature of a dark triad is critically important! Thank you. I’d love for a lengthy study of Dahmer and his father….
Saville was severely abused by his horrible mother. On top of that he had a miserable childhood spent in an old people's home etc. And it doesn't sound like he had any loving or caring other adults in his young life. So he was completely 'alone' which was a theme throughout his life. Being so detached and probably seeking revenge he went on to abuse hundreds of others. There are millions of kids who aren't getting enough care and love. WE can give them a smile. It takes a village to raise a child. All wars and man made atrocities are caused by adults who have been severely abused as kids. Thankfully most abused kids don't go on to abuse others. But they suffer throughout their lives with depression etc. We can start to turn this around with a smile and a kind word. I remember fondly the few times a teacher or other adult smiled at me or I felt they thought of me kindly. It's a start.
Many other chiidren had an uprbringing like Savile and they didn't turn out like him. I know some people can't handle the fact that some people are born with wiring that seals their fate as eviI , but..tough. Get over it.
that Irish sounding guy at the start of this vid interviewing Jimmy, I remember him when I lived in the UK, I believe his name is Anthony Clare. Great interviewer. I remember Savile on Jim'll Fix It when I was 10 years old and I knew something was wrong with the guy and never watched a full episode. The guy made me feel uncomfortable just watching him.
I remember jS as not being "human" - he was a caricature. The interesting part of the programme was the dreams that came true for kids. Even then some of those dreams didn't ring true - we now find that some were manufactured.
It seems to me that he spent his life pretending to give himself to everybody because the sad truth is that he was unable, or willing to give anything at all. He was a miser with money and was unable to show or give affection. If he was a necrophile, that would suggest that he could get what he wanted without giving anything in return. The dead could not humiliate him as his mother had done, they could not judge him and he had complete control and power over them. When his mother died, he had complete control of her and how much time he spent with her. One does have to wonder whether he exercised the unpalatable act of ultimate power and control over her during the five days he spent with her. She was the only person he did not have in his control. He did not allow anyone to get close to him because he knew that if they did they would quickly see through the charade, That suggests that the image he portrayed was a thin veneer, and he had no depth. He was projecting the polar opposite of what he truly was. Control seems to be the key factor in his personality - the real one.
The fact that he SA'd bodies in morgues then spent 5 days alone with his deceased mother is a little suspect to me. Especially the way he talks about it, he "could finally have her all to himself." He clearly has a lot of weird issues with his mom so I wouldn't put it past him. Knowing how often he blatantly told people what he was doing, this part creeps me out
Thanks for these videos. The quality of both information and emotional dialogue is unparalleled on TH-cam. May these words resonate with more people. Great job!
I think your point about him feeling indestructible was a good one. The man had incredible good luck in being able to ride the wave of the youth revolution in popular music and get himself into broadcasting. He was really just in the right place at the right time to land a job at Radio Luxemburg and then TOTP. Then to get away for so long with his offending without any kind of proper challenge probably made him feel that he really could do almost anything he wanted. I bet he couldn't believe his luck at times. The other side of him though was the very manipulative, intimidating and careful side, always on the lookout for potential trouble and knowing he had to shut it down immediately.
The task of adulting , taking care of yourself, meeting basic needs, career, relationships, parenting for victims of childhood abuse is akin to running in a race with one leg. Sometimes that leg is even tied behind your back r shoced down your throat. Managing life can feel like an endless game of falling down and picking yourself up by your own bootstrap. I was always utterly confounded as to how "everyone else" managed to function . Couldnt fathom the idea that I was disabled because to me Id always been this undeveloped human, with no idea of what the missing pieces were. As a consequence I always felt ashamed of not being able to function effectively, ashamed of never having nice boyfriends . As I got older I became more aware of this defecit, I needed help but the help I needed was too big and the help available was pathetically small, so small it felt pointless . I was in my thirties when I first came across the idea of boundaries, I read this book about them and thought Id done the work untill I came to live with a narcissist in my fifties. I think that was a worse hell than my childhood but I did finally develop more effective boundaries through necessity. I couodnt leave him because I had not accrued any viable career r financial resource, despite lots of skill and talent. Today I still see myself as not having the ability to protect and care for myself financially but quite good at my inner world , my peace of mind is not desturbed by others more than momentarily. Some abuse victims need a lifetime of serious support while they get on with the business of developing a healthy sense of self but instead we are faced with the lack of regard or acknowledgement for our disadvantage ; we are expected to function normally. People with physical walking disabilities are not expected to climb stairs, people do not stand around berating and shaming them for not being able to perform this very simple task. Thats something that needs to be implemented, we need proper support where we are lacking in our own abilities. One problem is that we dont know we are broken , we dont know what our psyches are supposed to look like, heck, our minds are so damaged that we cant even bear to look at them...all there was in my young years was a menagerie , no ordered thinking, and lots of excrusiating shame.
Saville was a go-between and advisor for Charles and Diana's marriage; he spent Christmas with Margaret Thatcher. No one can get that close without the info-gathering govt networks knowing who Saville was. Everyone was and is vetted. Andrew is a dot on the landscape.
You’ve done an absolutely brilliant job on this one, tasteful, respectful, insightful. I watched the Netflix documentary the other day and it definitely felt like a huge chunk of the story was missing, especially what you mentioned around his siblings facing similar charges. Thank you for this deep dive! P.S. Amigos, trust me, you do not want to fall asleep to this video. I’m aware his voice is soothing and the music is relaxing, but the nightmares will be extra spicy.
It’s interesting to think of someone who presents his trauma through the dark triad as lacking that sense of being a substantial, safe container for their felt experience. I have experience both personal and in my practice of early attachment neglect leading to this difficulty, but never considered it as an underlying issue that could layer with other experiences in such a way that THIS is what it looks like. It’s a challenging thought!
His mother strikes me as the kind of woman who became a mother, not because she wanted to, because that’s just what women did. She doesn’t seem to have any investment in any of her kids probably. especially if multiple of them went on to become sex offenders. What miserable people with miserable lives making more people miserable. How will this cycle be broken...
Maybe, although that seems more political and makes her into a victim, there are plenty of women like that (likely the vast majority, or making a comment like that would be sacrilegious) who's kids didn't become what hers did or who went against that societal norm and refused to have kids If we zoom in we see her subjective experience is the same as his. Vulnerability is weakness and must be punished
Fascinating thank you. I live near Leeds and was brought up as a child with Saville on TV every week. I even thought about attending his memorial in Leeds, but didn’t go in the end. I’ve watched the Netflix doc and didn’t know about his brothers, so yes why on earth weren’t they included. As a result I now find it interesting as to how this pervert hoodwinked a nation for so long including your incisive psychological breakdown.
I didn't know about Saville's siblings until watching this vid. There can be a genetic inheritance of course...if the siblings were assaulted themselves then the genetic inheritance is strengthened. Thanks goodness MOST survivors of childhood abuse do NOT go on to perpetrate what they have suffered.
He had connections to elites that had more power and perhaps they too had an interest of him not getting caughed, to safe their own asses of crimes we most likely never will hear about
@@vivvy_0 he was basically a gangster. No doubt he knew a lot of blackmail stuff, but a lot of it wasn't of a sexual nature. It's said for example that he got away with things in Broadmoor hospital because he knew a lot of the staff were abusing the overtime system. I think above everything else, he was able to get away with so much because social attitudes back then allowed so many offenders to get away with it. People were incredibly naive about paedophiles and just didn't want to know about it. It was very similar to domestic abuse. Nobody wanted to know about that either. Famous people were worshipped and people in authority positions were not questioned.
Great analysis building on the Anthony Clare interview and other snippets of him interacting with people throughout the years. He knew he was empty compared to "normal" people hence calling himself a machine. A cyborg. That's the thing with narcissistic psychopaths. They're completely empty shells feeding off other people like vampires. Growing up feeling invisible, unheard leading to a continual need to seen and heard, of wanting to reach and out and connect but completely unable to know what to do with any connection he made on anything other than a surface level. Like a stone skimming over the surface of a pond. Needing the pond to bounce off but scared of being swallowed up by it. Interesting what you said about the only closeness he felt towards his mother was when he was close to death as a child... Maybe that's one of the reasons why he surrounded himself with ill and dying people. That's the closest thing to being connected and being alive that he felt?
This has been a strangely compelling video. As a child I saw Saville on tV and heard him on the radio. I always felt that he was a bit off, though I could not put my finger on why I was repelled by him. Later in life, I realised that I have a well developed sense of intuition.... I could always spot a rotter. Whenever I have done something dumb in my life, I have always been warned by my intuition, when I ignored it, it was always to my detriment.
Children only want to be loved. Interesting that this man who constantly sought love from others felt so threatened by children who too seek love. Probably because they mirror the needs he didn’t have himself to give. Perhaps growing resentment in the process. Or perhaps he said that to distract from his atrocious acts.
Yes, I too was disappointed with Netflix doc about how much thry went into his psychology. I remember running children's great North run and him running at some point around me and my Dad.
It wasn't the fact he called his mother The Duchess, that was cringy for me as a young boy. The real crime was the BBC indulging Jimmy Saville and his obviously weird relationship with his mother and portraying it as something special. When I was a young teenager, Saville was always on TV, I openly did not like him and was rebuked some older members of my family for not respecting the charity work he performed.
Thank you for taking the time to do the psychological research behind Saville. It was clearly difficult for you to present but you have offered a different perspective on his actions. I am not suggesting his actions were excusable, they were not, but you have given the viewer a better understanding of who he was and why he handled his own abuse. I was abused as a child and did not develop unhealthy behavioral traits as Saville did but you did touch on so many descriptive facts of why he became the person he did and you answered questions which I asked of myself regarding Saville as being a machine. I understand that feeling and can tell you that it is a very lonely and confusing place to be. Fortunately I was able to break that link in the chain which snakes its way from generation to generation. Sadly Saville could not, or did not control his urges to abuse his many many innocent victims and as a result, hundreds of victims are born to the same nightmare. I wish I could talk to you further about this, there are so many areas which we could explore together verbally.
You're story about the CEO reminded me of a story Matthieu Ricard told in this Ted Talk "The Habits of Happiness: We think that if we could gather this and that, all the conditions, something that we say, "Everything to be happy -- to have everything to be happy." That very sentence already reveals the doom, destruction of happiness. To have everything. If we miss something, it collapses...The Dalai Lama was once in Portugal, and there was a lot of construction going on everywhere. So one evening, he said, "Look, you are doing all these things, but isn't it nice, also, to build something within?" And he said, "[Without] that -- even if you get a high-tech flat on the 100th floor of a super-modern and comfortable building, if you are deeply unhappy within, all you are going to look for is a window from which to jump."
I reckon his offences was far more than the 450/500 count. Think of it, if he offended (in any way, a grope or whatever) just once a day for 50 years that`s 18,250 offences.. Im inclined to think he offended more than once a day.
Since he was a devout catholic, I wonder if his charity work was an attempt to atone for his crimes. He was even knighted by the pope for his charity work.
He was a Satanist and they think you can balance it out. Even Danny Kaye said he made St Judes to make up for all the bad things he's done. He said it while laughing and no one caught on. Here's a video on it but the guy talking is hiding one eye and wearing black and white so take it for what it's worth. Hope it helps explain what's going on. th-cam.com/video/7Eeo-82Eac8/w-d-xo.html
Well the Catholic Church and Jimmy obviously get their methods from the same play book. Both utterly wrong and depraved in their actions except that Jimmy is am amateur compared to the Catholic Church when it comes to abuse. The Catholics have centuries more experience.
I’m a transistorized, transgenederized, transmogrified trans-human A corporatized, commercialized, industrial-strength consumer A goal setting, gym sweating, debt fretting freak A social climbing net-worker that’s always on heat I got my education, majoring in indoctrination Where they taught me to comply, to never question why And so I’m chasing an illusion, of success that’s a delusion That is sending me insane, exploding my brain And as we teeter on the brink, soon to be extinct I always wear a smile, coz I'm living in denial
I know from other things I've watched of him, he was actually the child most douted on by his family. He had an accident as a baby and couldn't shut his eyes for 6 months. So he was looked after by his siblings and his mum, who he lived with his whole life. There are rumours about incests with her, maybe emotional, maybe something else. I know personally because I know friends of Saville that even after she died he kept her clothes and belongings and kept th.cleaned and mended.
Knowing that he was a necrophile puts a sickening slant on him saying that the 5 days with his mothers body were the best of his life because he got to truly have her. 😮
Nice video, and I say that as a survivor of the type of thing Savile got up to. It is endemic in British culture and tied up with politics, empire and power. Even the Police acknowledge that and say the problem too massive to handle, advising we educate kids to protect them. Indeed, it is integrated into the State and how people get into certain positions; the type of 'trust' and bonding it engenders amongst offenders is massive and why it is used.
excellent analysis. i've been thinking a lot about him too recently. just trying to make sense of him. I'm thinking of him similar to Keith Ranieri or a corrupt cult leader (without followers), making up for childhood non-importance, with extreme self-importance. you hit the nail on the head with 'the machine' analogy. there's nothing there. i wonder if that in itself is terrifying. to feel like that. and the constant activity is so that he doesn't have to think too much. i once lived with an alcoholic and she would drink constantly so that she couldn't think about her abusive childhood. Saville may have been an addict in several things. Also you didn't mention the possibility that he was abused as a child or been in an abusive environment like Fred and Rosemary West.
Just a quick comment; I'm just up to @ 7 minutes and have to say that as response to the comment that he was 'adored by children' - as a child growing up in the late 70's (I was born in 1971) I did not adore this man. I watched his shows and various antics (his fund raising etc) and he always made me feel incredibly uncomfortable. My gut instinct was that I did not like him and I found him incredibly creepy. I remember a conversation with my mum some time probably in the early 1980's (during one of his TV shows) and telling her that I considered him odd and in my opinion was probably a child molester. I would have been about 12 or 13 at the time, and of course knew such people were around. My justification was that he never seemed to have any romantic interest (of either gender), was always hanging around children (although stated that he did not actually like children) and his selfless acts for charity were too good to be true. I found his saccharine personality utterly fake; in fact I said this many times over the years. If a kid in his early teens can make this argument and found years later to be spot on, how the hell did Savile (surrounded by educated and intelligent people) manage to live a full life and only after death be disgraced?
I was a child in the 1970s and didn’t know anyone else whom thought he was funny or cool when compared to other DJs or pop celebrities of the time . I recall Viz comic doing a fake interview with Savile about 20 years ago in which they highlight that very odd ‘ catchphrase’ or odd noise which they attempted to spell which reminded me of it. It went “ uuurrghh uuurrrgghh uurrgghh “ Do you remember his doing it ? What the heck was that all about ? Was this a code for other evil nutters ! 🤔
I’m around the same age as you and I remember this cretin all over the television in the 70s and 80s , he used to give the the creeps at best. My father would change channel when ever his face appeared and my father always said - that man is not right.
because the educated and intelligent people were probably doing the same thing as him. I have no doubt in my mind that a lot of celebs nowadays are into the same or worse shit as Saville and those people will also never face justice and will die as beloved celebs with the truth never coming out. Life is not a Disney movie, sadly evil rules this world.
I think you can ignore red flags if your career depends on it also for someone who claimed to be as anti authoritian as Saville he had the system working for him. I think people didn't think to question things and celebrity was one of those things - there was also a lot more casual sexism around at the time that Innuendo was normal or normalised. These are the decades of Carry On films, the Benny Hill show, the Confessions films and On the Buses. It took a punk who didn't care about 'respectable' opinion to actually speak up about the dark rumours he heard or the vibes he got. I hope these days that people feel freer to challenge things but Russell Brand shows that this maybe is and isn't true.
Odd theory and it’s a bizarre one, he just plainly enjoyed abusing people, he felt weak and helpless when he was younger, he then found himself able to do whatever he wanted to whoever he pleased and just simply enjoyed that.
Thank you for this video. I found several things interesting about the Savile case. First, coming from the US, I was unaware that there was such a character as Jimmy Savile. I only heard of him in passing from the likes of Davide Ike. recently, we have found out that human trafficking or specifically child trafficking is a huge international business grossing more than petroleum profits, yet there is a vail that it doesn't exist. Our president George Herbert Walker Bush had a similar "M.O." to Savile in that many of his deeds over the years were tagged with trophies as if to say catch me if you can. Finally, when Savile died, with a king's funeral, it took a great deal of energy put forth until we saw a tipping point in the consciousness of the public at large. This can serve as a demonstration of Mark Twain's quote that it's easier to pull the wool over someone's eyes than to convince them that they have been fooled. While we all carry that shadow self to one degree or another rooting out the darkness and integrating it into something healthy seems always to take a back seat to keeping up with the demands of life nipping at our heals and without the constrains of community social morays this kind of a perfect storm is created,
@@mylittlethoughttree... Did he supply the elite with children ? Did you know his grandmother had an affair with a British Royal and why Jimmy referred to his mother as the Duchess , BUT, what if Jimmy inherited some DNA genetic trait from his Royal Grandfather ?
No-one can get near a Prime Minister or any Royal without MI5 & Special Branch having checked them out thoroughly. No way could they not know his devious proclivities and a provider of vulnerable children. Therefore, the Royals & Prime Minister Thatcher were fully clued up about him, but they still chose to befriend him. Ask yourself why? Especially with regard to Charles.
I think what everybody misses is that on Game shows or top of the pops the host always put there arms around the contestant...I always thought this was weird...but they always did...like openly...and it was like an accepted concept...until...well now!!
A big mystery for me is: why or how do people get to a point to where they do something destructive? Curiosity about that had me deep diving into detective magazines, biographies, crime stories, cold cases, and the like. Fascinating things you think of while in isolation: how other people tick. :) Thanks for this video. It's damn cool.
Just a quick comment from a Yorkshire native, when he is asked if he hates children, he doesn't say "hate 'em", he very definitely says "hate him". Sounds to me like is thinking of someone in particular, though I am not sure if psychologists believe in Freudian slips any more.
Brilliant analysis....best I've watched so far (and I've watched a lot!). Intelligent, insightful and very interesting. Thank you so much, I really enjoyed that 😊
GREAT documentary and analysis. In all the talk recently, especially since 'The Reckoning', the facts still boil down to one simple fact - the people who made accusations against Savile MUST BE, and NEEDED TO BE, taken seriously from the beginning, that would have been a good start at the very least - they just needed to know that believed them and took them seriously.
What a fascinating analysis. He obviously hated women. His relationship with his mother is so disturbing. The fact that he was able to fulfil his deviant evil desires for so long is a disgrace.
The beeb does some things really well. Trend setting isn't one of them. Saville came to us at a time when a lot of this behaviour was considered largely acceptable. We now recognise that as obscene. But it was harder to nail people back then for this behaviour. The BBC were broadcasters and broadcasting is what they did. Just saying.
Very good and comprehensive analysis, and as you say most therapists place him firmly in the center of the dark trads, with only fame, fortune contacts, and a very publicly trustworthy persona to cover up his crimes. I don't find that satisfying though, as you say in the end it is for power and control, not sexual urges that could be released with a simple Playboy magazine. What I do think is missing in this analysis is that psychopathy is a very close mimic for a head injury. This is a common theory from the wrestling community, that has been more focused on CRT since Benoît killed his family. Apparently, the rumor is that he was very boastful and very unpopular and did not change, but got the snot beaten out of him for real. as well as the coal accident and the illness, some of which could leave brain tissue damaged (IDK in this case, I'm no doctor), but also if there was a family propensity for SA then this has been shown to at least "dull" parts of the brain. It's very complex and he was very practiced at refuting accusations and, since puberty has not let any close friends see him. But this could be a spur to act on the behavior he was taught, and being physical would make it challenging to control or make change. The two things I have never seen is that some in the BBC knew. And some complaints have come forward from hospitals, but how many had actionable accusations, how did those outside BBC miss this and how did those inside live with themselves. And did anyone also think the Bawdy shows like Benny Hill or Carry On were barely disguised efforts to get girls? We know Rolf Harris is in jail, but others have moved on.
Best doc I've seen on this subject. It seems as if he was 'half-dead,' with only the negativity left,(in order to physically survive?) The notion of boundaries is so important. ..or his case, the lack thereof. I've noticed this about my mother, (RIP,) and a couple of ex 'friends,' I no longer see. They don't end where you begin, you are merely a extension of them.
John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten of the "Sex Pistols") never kept silent on the matter of Jimmy Savile...
Damn straight. Lydon is a truth teller and a more decent man than most give him credit for. He should get a beautiful, commemorative tombstone when his time comes. What should it say? I don't know.
'You ever get the feeling you've been cheated?!', perhaps.
Or whatever gets lovingly graffitied on it by those who know. Love that dude.
I think he would have been better believed if it wasn't for the behaviour of some of his bandmates. The Sex Pistols were so notorious for mudslinging that many would have just dismissed Johnny's accusations as spiteful jealousy.
@@Croz89 Which was kind of the whole point of Punk! One Giant “Fuck you” to entrenched power! Speaking Truth to Power, especially those dark recesses where abhorrent behaviour is allowed to flourish & no-one talks about, too afraid to “rock the boat”.
@@Anamnesia In the case of the Sex Pistols, that amounted to insulting other people and bands who had done nothing to them or anyone else, just because they didn't like who they were or what they played. Sid Vicious was notorious for his violence and animal abuse. Not trying to pin the blame on Johnny here, but with friends like that is it any wonder nobody believed him?
Everyone going to be shocked when they find out what all of them do to be famous! It’s not just a few!
There is always a power dynamic with predators. He chose victims who couldn't or wouldn't fight back, seeing them as weak and disposable. In many ways, this is the mindset of "sheep vs. wolves" where a predator self loathes any vulnerability within themselves and preys on the vulnerability of others.
Predators blame their victims, as if the victim is in collusion with the predator by being weak, as if weakness deserves to be punished, as if it's the victim's own fault they were abused. This is the kind of sloughing of responsibility for their actions, and their affect on their victims, that marks out the sadistic, inadequate psychopath.
Yes, narcissists hate weak people. They can't understand it as they have no empathy, but the fact is that narcissists are very weak, but believe they (the false self) are very strong.
@@brennadickinson3562 that's it exactly! That is absolutely the bottom line isn't it ?
They hate weakness and start to see any goodness as weakness that deserves punishment.
Like they hate life and want you to hate it as well. They hate you for your joy and want to squeeze every single drop of it from you. Strip you of a goodness that kids naturally have. They hate you for being you and being alive.
@@lorimiller4301 They also hate you for your kindness and unwillingness to stoop to their level. When and if you do expose them, the predator always brings out all their ammunition and paradoxically acts with shock and lashes out with "How dare you?" "The nerve of you treating me this way!!"
You're all coping hard here. Predators don't feel inferior to their victims and they don't see anything from themselves in their victims. Do you think wolf feels inferior to the sheep he will eat? You were all probably abused and that's how you cope with being victims.
Here's a theory...Savile knew of people far bigger and much more powerful than him who were doing worse than he was. This will still be the case today.
I think it would be foolish not to see this as plausible. At the very least, an open mind would be necessary to try and discover/prevent this sort of thing
@@mylittlethoughttree who says I don't?
There's got to be something to this..
if only this was not just theory
@@greentorm5467 he's agreeing with you , you've misinterpreted the reply
We felt as Children that there was "something off" about Jimmy Saville but we couldn't put our fingers on and he was creepy and we wouldn't want to meet him. When it broke after his death that he had been abusing people in environments where they should be safe we were glad that we hadn't met or written to Jimmy Saville. The bigger shock i think for a lot of people was when Rolf Harris was arrested, he seemed a normal Uncle figure that we saw on telly but as Esther Rantszen said in an interview it isn't monsters we fear it is the people we know.
Yes Rachel, I was the same. Not surprised at all about Jimmy Savile but gobsmacked about Rolf Harris!!! Makes me wonder (not taking in the number of victims) who was actually the worst! We all felt we would avoid Savile but probably would have run up to Rolf for a hug!!!! So scary to think about really.
Absolutely spot on.. He creeped me out even as a child, there was always something odd about him, as you say you couldn't put your finger on it xxx
Rolf Harris was arrested in 2013 for allegations of assault in 1980, but he's actually been cleared and released.
They tried to get him for CP after finding porn on his computer, even though it was an adult site. They even checked the age of the younger models/actresses in case they were underage.
Every now and then the govt push crown prosecution to convict for these types of crimes because they consistently fail to meet targets.
While Rolf Harris’ songs were quite fun, i was unsure of him. In Australia his slightly overwrought overexcited manner stood out more.
Yes. As a child, I was equally terrified and disgusted by Saville. It was so intense. Curiously, ALL the celebrities I despised as a child were ALL child preditors. I wish adults would pay attention to their children. Children are still learning to communicate, so listen to what they are trying to say.
Never caught?? He was frequently caught. He was never brought to justice.
when?
He was first sent to court in the late fifties. He talked his way out of it. Later on in his career the papers tried to run stories several times. They were advised against doing so by their legal team. He was aggressive when held to account, and so nobody had the stomach for it but attempts were made. @@williamford8027
I was abused as a child, this was not from family, but i held in anger for years and built myself up to be a very large physical person, i also became a manager of a large company, this made me forget my childhood traumas. I had bariatric surgery which halved my size but along with this caused physical problems which has crippled me, this also made me have to leave my work. i have many spinal problems since the weight loss, a year after my weight loss i made my first attempt in taking my life. My mother has always said i seamed different immediately after my weight loss operation in her words i lost my spark, i have attempted to end my life multiple times since this but never had the thought to do it as a large person. I believe i created my persona to help me battle my childhood weaknesses and due to the weight loss and physical strength it opened everything up, and i first spoke about my abuse when the jimmy Saville story broke, since then i have been under the care of mental health services and still feel suicidal today.
Mr Ferguson I won't say a bunch of platitudes in hopes it will make u feel better. But please just know I am so so so sorry for what you endured as a child that obviously damged you. You didn't deserve that. No one does. I'm only happy now you are here and currently under the care and advisement of a mental health professional. You matter. You are valuable and yes you are loved. Thank you for being brave enough to care enough about your well being to seek help in healthier ways. It won't be for naught 💞
I think what you've written there is incredibly insightful and moving. People often talk in general media about "breaking down people's walls" or "removing their defences" as a good thing, but sometimes people need their defences. Sometimes people aren't ready to have them taken down just yet. That said, people can recover without need of the defences, it's just an incredibly challenging road to walk. I'm sorry you're still struggling. I just wanted to say I hope you can gradually find your way through, and I wanted to thankyou for sharing this
I was a child aged 10 in England in 1975 and I can’t recall any friends or other kids ever saying anything positive about Savile . There were other high profile DJs whom were popular because they were funny like Noel Edmunds or Kenny Everett and others whom we’d poke fun at but Savile wasn’t at all popular or worthy of interest other than being a noticeable show off whom seemed a bit too old or unattractive when compared to the rest involved with Radio 1 or kids tv. Then there was that strange noise he’d make ....🤮👍
We're the same generation. He didn't come across as a person but a collection of clothes, the big cigar, trashy jewellery, dubious hairstyle.
@@jwsuicides8095 😃I can’t recall which brand of Sportswear he favoured- but if he was gifted one particular brand it must’ve been fun for their competitors!
I remember as a kid we weren't allowed to watch him. My dad was one of the best men Ive ever known, and he never met anyone he didn't like, and even he didn't like Saville. If he came on the telly, we weren't allowed to watch him. I could never understand how u could take one look into his eyes and not know he wasn't a safe person.
I am an American of the same generation as you. Thanks for bringing that perspective to light.
@@themasterswitch1603 Children very frequently have a sixth sense. They can inexplicably discern an unsafe "scary" adult.
Stories like this are awful but humans are also forgetful.
It's why I'm against pieces of history to do with slavery being destroyed. It's not that I'm pro slavery, it's because it's there to perpetually remind generations why it's a bad idea
Very well said! Thank you!
Never thought of it that way but your so right !
Problem is, as in the case of the confederate statues, we don't use statues to tell history, we use them to venerate. Honestly though I dont mind keeping the statues whole, but maybe we should place them in museums, where we actually teach history
Every race, every ethnicity, and every religion has had slaves and been used as slaves. Rather than being divisive, it's one of the few common threads of unity all people have
My great grandma said slavery was a good thing and that it's the reason black people are spread around the world
For me the worse part of the abuse was not being believed. Not only did it let the abuse continue but it made me believe that there must have been something wrong with me. That somehow it was my fault and a part of me never stopped feeling that way.
So sorry to hear that.I can relate.
Alan davies (whom i am a big fan of) went through this, and his latest book adressed this.it was great.
I believe you and it’s terrible. I’m sorry for you.
A huge part of why victims dont come forward. 1. They arent believed and 2. They feel/are made to feel like it was their fault.
people who don't help children when they say they have been abused are every bit as bad as the abuser
Jimmy's relationship with his mother always reminds me of Norman Bates from the Psycho franchise. With the whole yes Mother, I'll do what you ask mother etc.
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Based off of Ed Gein is what Norman Bates was primarily, a very disturbed man
@@jeremysmith54565Ed Gein's mother was a religious nut who isolated him from all human contact & beat him regularly. The suspicious death of his 11 yr old brother is widely thought to be probably down to Ed. A psychiatrist who treated him many years later said he was still very mentally unwell despite years of treatment in the psych facility & "really not making any sense" when she tried to have a therapy session with him .
it does seem a lot of (not all of) serial killers and disturbed men had either an abusive mother, no mother, or a weird relationship with their mother. It's never an excuse of course but i do find it weird I have seen no one really talk about it.
@@Lazrael32Yes, I noticed that too. It’s like they are both afraid of and worship their mothers simultaneously.
CAN'T HEAR SOME OF THE AUDIO? Try using earphones in both ears. The Savile clips are panned to only one ear...I don't know why, I didn't notice until this was uploaded, so it's too late to fix. But switch ears, if you can't hear quotes
Sorry for the caps, just wanted it to stand out
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Hey was this heavily censored? I'm about 5min behind live time for the premier and there's a lot of audio missing. Is it playing on the left speaker only?
I appreciate you taking a very calm and measured approach here and I think your efforts to tackle it with empathy for those victimized really come through. I feel it's important to try and better understand what is a very challenging topic and you do so without becoming either sensationalist nor callous.
Thank you.
Ah, all the savile quotes are on the left audio channel only. Listening with just the right headphone makes them all silent.
I found it very interesting that you made a whole down-time section at the end, because watching this video made me feel nothing at all. And it was exactly the same when I watched the Netflix documentary, right up until they started doing interviews with the survivors, and then I couldn't bear it.
I'm nearly 40 and I've struggled with mental health my whole life. I've also always had a morbid fascination with the worst things humans do to each other, obsessively reading about serial killers and so forth. I always wanted to understand WHY they did what they did, and what made them that way. But it never made me feel horrified or harrowed, the way you describe in the last section of the video.
Last year a life event happened that caused me to seek therapy and for the first time ever talk about some of the stuff that happened to me as a kid that I'd never told anyone. My therapist taught me that there is a difference between intellectually understanding/ analysing something versus being able to access it emotionally. It had not occurred to me before watching your video that I probably seek out this sick shit on a regular basis as a way of trying to intellectually understand why my father did those things to me, because there has to be a REASON, right? There HAS to be, otherwise it was all just horrible and banal and evil and pointless and I didn't deserve for it to happen.
This video was easy to watch, but if you did an episode on the people that Saville preyed on...I don't know if I could watch that. When I watched the lady in the documentary, I started getting dizzy and nauseous and I had to go puke after. In your video, I was 100% fine until you got to the last bit, and then I became incredibly anxious. I hate this. I hate that my brain works backwards, where I'm the best person to have in a crisis situation when someone is bleeding and needs to go to the ER and everyone else is freaking out and losing their minds, but if I have a bad day and lose a pencil or something it cripples me. I don't even know why I'm still writing this TH-cam comment. I feel like a bad person for not feeling anything until you literally said that it should be upsetting.
@@tazandalsoalastname Well I'll firstly say whatever your experience is, it sounds an incredibly difficult one and I hope seeking therapy proves beneficial. We're never too old to stop developing.
Most importantly, I should say it's a fault of my wording if the video made it seem like you were supposed to feel upset watching this. You're not at all. I too watched all of the documentary mostly fine, except for the victim's interview which made me cry. Too often people look on a lack of emotion as "heartlessness." Sometimes it's just things feel too painful to dare think about, or to let yourself feel. Something intellecutalising things is a defence...and sometimes defences aren't bad. That would be like criticising a turtle for having a shell. Maybe it needs the shell right now?
And that is not to say you not feeling moved IS a defence against overwhelming feelings, it's just a possibility. Your example of a crisis situation when someone bleeding is a wonderful example for how we sometimes need to not focus on our feelings.
I suppose I'm just saying please don't feel like a bad person for not feeling moved by this video. The warnings and the down time are there because some people will feel "too moved", let's say. Too overwhelmed. The fact you were not is no criticism. Perhaps reflecting on and trying to make sense of your why some things affect you where others don't, will prove beneficial. Hopefully therapy itself will be very useful for that reflection. Perhaps also even reflecting on why not feeling moved by certain things should make you feel bad about yourself. Those could be important experiences to wonder about a little bit, but I certainly wouldn't chastise yourself
Hi, I'm only at the beginning of the video so far, but I just want to tell you how much I appreciate your intergity as a counsellor and how ethical you always try to be. As a psychology student and hopefully future therapist, that sweeping, definite psychoanalyzing and diagnosing of people that some of these "internet therapists" tend to do leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I really appreciate that you don't do that kind of thing. You're so down to earth and humble, it really shows that you take your line of work seriously and take pains to do it well, that you genuinly care about people, think about stuff, that it hasn't gone to your head. It's one of the reasons you're probably my favourite channel now. I appreciate you so much. We need more people like you. Thank you and take care.
Thankyou very much! That's incredibly kind of you to say. I do try to be as sincere as I can. I've never wanted to provide concrete answers to anything so much as to encourage thought. I never set out to be down to earth and humble but I can't deny it's nice to hear that i come across that way 😊
Yeah, and remember, the parents are people too, with their own backgrounds. I see a tendency of people blaming parents and calling them the source of the evil, while they aren't the ultimate source ofcourse, because they were once children themselves. It's the old "cold mother" caricature, that just don't seem to get away. Further do I wonder how many mothers got the label "cold mother" by psychiatrists, of children that were abused within the church.
@@harrynac6017 a very good point. Whilst the parenting obviously has a massive affect on who a child becomes, when people just say "it's the parent's fault" that ultimately achieves nothing. It feels satisfying to imagine the question has been "answered" in such a straightforward way, but if a parent doesn't help their children enough, then there's definitely going to be a reason for that. It's why I passionately believe all new parents should be given far, far more support and some education too. Because maybe with the right help, they can manage the needs of their children far better. Supporting them would perhaps means less need to directly support the child later in life
I've researched alot to try figure myself out .Two big ones for a client ,they have to feel believed and heard.the client has to accept and know they've a problem( I believe this should be put in the contract to stop any time wasted for you and the client .95% of my family and freinds don't believe what I tell them and its soul crushing.
I wish you great luck In your future .
He also tries to diagnose someone he's never met which is a big no no in any clinical setting
To me he is the most haunting of our modern devils. But I'll say this, your presentation was both brilliant and gave me the very first (and likely last, it's too hard to contemplate for long) consideration of the utter horror of that little boy's upbringing in terms of it being the chrysalis of the total monster the man became.
I found this to be deeply profound and respectful. We can clearly feel your trepidation for the subject matter in this video, and you tackle it with sincerity and without grandiose statements or sensationalism. I watched the Saville documentary recently and found it to be one of the most gruesome and uncomfortable stories I've ever heard, and I tend to watch a lot of true crime. Hearing your perspective has made me feel even more empathy for the victims. Let's hope we keep going in an ever greater direction focusing on the healing and the prevention of these crimes in the future.
so i am only at the starty of this vid but i still agree hugfely with your comment...
to be perfectly honest it is actually a helpful thing to provide...my dad, though not to the same prolific degree, has strong comparable history bto saville...he is currebtly serving a 17year sentence for abusing someone who he had previpously gone inside for about a year at most when in was around 3 (i am 32 now and he wentndown this time when i was about 29)
so it is not hyst similar that he was an abuser but he also got away with it by iding in plain sight be very charming & well known & using that to gaslight his victims...
And similar to saville despite outwardly showing what looked like emotions or feelings or morals he woukld NEVER own up to this side of him even despite pleading guilty meaning he mnight be nearly out now...
and i consider myself pretty well in tune with people's emotions/drives and that often leads me to being strongly empathetic and giving ppl who have maybe done pretty bad things some benefit of the doubt...but with bmy Dad i just CAN'T i can't underrstandf the psychology and can't undrstand how a supposed psychopath coukd be SO good at feigning emotions
Two of my family actually met him.
My grandma was in one of his clubs in Leeds with a friend and jimmys bouncer came up and said “jimmy would like to see you in his office”. My grandma declined and when jimmy came out of his office a few minutes later he actually spat on my grandma as he walked past her.
My uncle met him too a few times near roundhay, said they have a few chats and he always seemed like a fairly nice guy
Hes a psychopathic thug
I met Saville many times when I went dancing at the Leeds Mecca. I was also invited to go up to his office when he was the manager.
I was fourteen ! He was in his mid thirties. He liked young girls.
He tried it on more than once. I told him in no uncertain words to ‘get lost’ !!
He creeped me out then and I and all my friends who also went there gave him a wide birth. It was common knowledge that he assaulted those young girls who were tricked into going upstairs to his office.
He was a monstrous - evil perverted predator. A danger to young girls and young women. He molested patients in the hospitals he volunteered in - and the nurses- and children in care homes and schools. Even the bodies in the morgue.
Many children are neglected or suffer neglect - many children have less than ideal childhoods - they don’t become monsters like him as a result.
Yes he made money for charity but he also kept quiet about charging up to £3000 for turning up or taking part in these events because he knew his celebrity would help the charity to raise more money and money gave him power.
I know that to be true from personal experience involved in a charity.
He got away with all his vile behaviour and never faced the consequences of the lives he destroyed or damaged. He targeted a victim at every session of the mecca dance hall which opened afternoons and evenings every day of the week. And he alone managed it every day.
There were hundreds and hundreds of victims many of whom never came forward. And who would blame them?
I must say this is the first time I have heard about the behaviour of his siblings.
That’s exactly why people who do that often are nasty to people who refuse their attention. A young man who worked with me decided it was appropriate to stand behind me and whisper in my ear ‘ your body is just perfect’ and squeezing my breasts. I removed his hands and said ‘ that was completely inappropriate’ I told my manager. He checked out the video of the store cctv and saw what happened. He sacked the young man straight away. As he left he called me a ‘ stuck up bitch’
@@fayesouthall6604in the reckoning, the nurse stood up to Jimmy saville.
@@ln3804Thanks for your time and effort. He really was a shit.
What your dad needs to realise is it's the victims of the abuse that are important and not controversy or Saville himself.
You have done a great analysis of his personality and hit on major points that other profeesionals have hit on and exposed in their view on his personality traits.
It's good for you to do this in your line of work. It's also necessary for everyone out here to be able to spot these types of sick individuals in the future whether from a possible victim point of view or an on looker who can expose them and help to put an end to their behaviour.
Thank you for the podcast and keep up the good work!
He was so arrogant and knew he was untouchable because he threatened to bring so many down with him if anything happened to him.Great video.People need to be told the truth
I commented on the 'documentary' (untouchable) ..... People in power are always bandying around - "nobody is above the law" - Mr Vile was! Then there was the ginormous councillor - Mr Smith ..... He had the same ability - had loads of pertinent-legal matters quashed! Guess they're all part of the same gang ....
He was basically a gangster, and made it his business to find info to blackmail people with, no matter what the info was. It's said he got away with things at Broadmoor because he found out a lot of the staff were abusing the overtime system. As for his sexual offending, it's now known that the vast majority of it was done alone. He was very calculating and it meant nobody else had the full picture of what he was up to. He also had free access to school, hospitals and prisons. He had no real need to be part of a wider ring. He also benefitted from the social attitudes at the time. Many people didn't know about paedophilia, but also didn't want to know. They were wilfully blind. It was much the same thing with domestic violence.
not even that, as has been said, he was not exposed until after his death, that was his deal.
I'm a firm believer that it is the responsibility of all adults, not just parents, to address difficult truths in order to help change them for society. (At least the able ones) We can't begin to change difficult issues like pedophilia if we don't begin to address it by discussing it. Interesting how in retrospect several of his interviews seem to allude to his darker tendencies upon further consideration. Perhaps it is a first step in addressing the issue if we explore the psychology in perpetrators. I feel very mournful for the victims and hope they are able to find peace and healing. Well done with the video I feel you handled with as much delicacy as can be managed for the topic. I particularly liked the insight on narcissism as I never considered the sensitive ego before.
very true. people are happier to cover it up rather than address it
Seems Saville victimized anyone in a vulnerable position, even people in their 80s not just kids. I don’t know if there’s a name for it, people call him a “sexual predator”
What 'difficult truths' are you referring to, and why would you want to change the truth.
@@willdenham if the difficult truth is someone you know is attracted to minors you want to address that truth to change it to reduce harm... what do you mean?
@@yungpr1ma588 If you're original comment were still up I would be able to address it. It wasn't as cut and dry as what you are stating now. Of course it's impossible to address. The issue went beyond him being 'attracted' to them, he was abusing them and had access to the vulnerable with carte blanche.
I wonder who his father was. He never talked about him only about his mother.
So either his father was also abusing him even harder, or just did nothing.
It's so weird that, in the video, the common denominator of the three abusers is identified as the MOTHER, not the father. I think it's far more notable that all three of them copied their father's behavior - by working in hospitals and abusing girls and women there - than their mother being a cold woman. I guess it's a thing of psychologists to blame the mother before anyone else.
@red_calla_lily maybe it was the local priest that did the abusing.
After hearing analyses of various really horrible people I lean towards the idea that no child is born evil. Villains arn't born, they are created. Created by sub-par parents who do not care enough to understand the importance of their role. It's frustrating and heartbreaking at the same time. Society as a whole seems to view having children as a right and something which is necessary to be called a complete human being, rather than a privilege.
I don't think children are born evil however I do think that certain people have a disposition towards things that can cause evil. Maybe that is a genetically inherited mental health condition. I think that combined with the societal factors causes people to go that way.
I would only caveat that by saying not ONLY created by the parents. There are a tonne of other factors too, some of which may be more important in certain circumstances, some of which may even affect the parent's abilities to parent effectively.
Read Ted Bundy's biography. He had an almost idyllic childhood, but he was already a psychopath from an early age. Some people really are born evil.
Agreed its night nature vs nurture
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Strange how many serial killers and notorious criminals have odd maternal relationships.
I knew many people, nurses, kids etc. who knew Saville both negatively and positively. Your insight into this story is exceptional. I'll now finish the programme.
Interesting video. Being from the U.S. I never heard of Savile before his death. The story of his getting away with such atrocity for so many decades is truly disturbing, especially for the children affected. A book I highly recommend for anyone wanting to protect their children from "friends" that are not on the up and up is entitled "Why, Gary, Why?" by Jody Plauche. He was abused by his karate teacher for a year or more during which time the abuser -- his karate teacher, who was quite popular -- also gained the trust of his family before abducting him from Louisiana and taking him to Los Angeles, California. Long story short, the police were able to trace him (due to a collect phone call) and retrieve the boy who was I think 11 years old by that time. The child had his reasons for not admitting to ANYONE that he had been so much as touched, but thankfully he was taken to a hospital while still in LA and a rape test kit was used on him which proved he had been abused. There is a lot more to the story, and Jody -- that young boy who is now a mature adult -- wrote a book about it which will help people understand what the child is often going through and his/her reasoning for not telling, etc. He also gives tips for parents on how to watch out for others who may have the same kind of ulterior motives that his abductor had. Although all of this happened about 38 years ago, the book was not completed and published until 2019.
I think it's a reflection of the 20th century across the globe. People were very naive about paedophilia, and quite often didn't want to know. People in positions of power were worshipped, and victims often blamed. Just look at Bill Cosby.
I voted caution/against making this video. I was wrong. I have a strange relationship with "true crime" and how sensationalist it can be. This was not that. It was sensitive, balanced and showed the importance of talking about these matters but kept those who were victimised at the heart throughout. Thank you
Thankyou for saying so, I was worried how this video would come across. I'm relieved to hear people have found it respectful
I remember as a child in the 1970s/80s I wanted to write in to Jim'll Fix It but my Mum refused to let me, she obviously saw something in this man then, despite all his popularity. Looking back at the footage of him, he was just vile, a total creep. I really enjoyed your analysis of him, especially the sheer emptiness of his being, the empty void of his personality. Talking of personalities like Savile will hopefully prevent such a thing being so easily perpetrated again.
You had a great mum, she had a reliable gut feeling and went with it...
@@Exsugarbabe1 Mums always know best!
@@Kay-xb9cp And what does that say about the mums who allowed their children to write in?😏
@@roseaduke8835 Let's not victim-blame here. Kay's mother was clearly astute, but responsibility lies solely at the feet of the abuser and the people who facilitated that abuse.
@@s.g.7572 You obviously didn't get the gist of my comment!
I think a lot about his epitaph, "it was fun while it lasted." how it was the vicious monstrous last words of a bastard, and how it was a cheap throw away line devoid of sentiment and introspection. A line said by someone just to have something to say. An imitation of profundity and good cheer.
effing hell i didnt know that yoyr si rught... it's not judt so have something to say thoiugh imo it is to try & give the pretense from beyond the grave of having no regrfets/ seeing it as jjust fun
Very true. He was facile and trivial from cradle to grave. He had no inner workings, just an impulse to abuse and the guilt which drove him to try and make up for it by doing good. Totally unable to process nuance. It was all extremes with Saville.
On the topic if his psyche was empty: I don't remember his name, but there's this psychologist here on TH-cam who (identifies? is properly diagnosed?) is also a narcissist, which he admits openly, and he uses his platform to educate people on that personality, how to deal with it and what to expect, etc. I don't follow him anymore bc he creeps me out. But an important thing I learned from some of his videos, and I think he emphasizes the fact every so often, is that he is indeed an empty shell. There's no one there, except for the narcissist. Behind those eyes, there lurks no personality, no character, nothing but narcissism and emptiness, because everything he is IS the narcissist, nothing else. I have no idea if he's for real or not, but it sounds very much like what you described here.
Also I had previously heard of the dark triad, but I had no idea that one person could be all three of them. That's ... scary
Sam Vaknin, his material is based mainly on research and his own work and it is indeed jarring content.
@@jess722 it’s the psychologist they are referring to.
You become what you study, or manifest.
That description sounds like Ted Bundy. Nothing there but evil and evil alone.
@@thomaseriksen6885 I never should've studied marine biology. I've since turned into a blue whale. Worst mistake of my life.
Remarkable - so insightful. Most helpful for us to try to understand Jimmy Saville. He's somebody no one understood - nor, apparently, wants to understand. You've broken an important taboo. We need to understand Saville. Your measured analysis of his life is amazing - from his bizarre upbringing, personality traits and career, leading to the probable motivations for his crimes is most revealing. There's so much to learn from this. Well done indeed. Thank you.
In so many videos I've seen about people who have done horrible things, they are often dismissed through the overtly simplistic lens as being horrible people through and through and little else, but you break his circumstances down so thoughtfully, compassionately and considerably. You convey that he was a human being who was incredibly emotionally stunted, and used his charm and quick wit as a means of overcompensating for his truly unforgivable dark side, which he'd tried to shove down time after time. The added personal anecdote you shared made this understandably poignant.
Especially with fame, it seems like he felt incredibly conflicted with himself, and although his cool, confident demeanor, demonstrable experience, and especially his proclivity for charity clearly catalyzed him to royalty (and knighthood at that), the subtle, inadvertent hints and glimpses of how spiritually broken he truly was would eventually take precedent in how the general public viewed him overall. It's unfortunate though that even the recent Netflix documentary, though it rightfully focuses on his influence in society and the people he genuinely inspired, has only highlighted the truth of his heinous crimes after he died. I can see how, in some way, with the bias from his extraordinary influence, people were hesitant to do a deep dive, simply because his sinister nature is extremely difficult to accept. But with time, we put our feelings aside and have to face the truth.
I believe psychologists call it "personality fracture". Serious offenders like that are able to effectively become two (or more) people. They hide their offending and cultivate a different personality to disguise it all. It's why people are always shocked when they find out the paedophile or serial killer was someone they knew.
Quite.
If you watch the many documentaries there was no deep dive until after his death because despite several Police interviews re allegations from women, he would threaten the interviewers that he socialised with their bosses & hed have their jobs & sue them to boot. ( He held a weekly social event he organised himself, with senior local Police) . His own friend , from the very start of his career, said he was always paying off parents of underage girls he'd assaulted. There were even football chants about Saville that Leeds ( his home town) fans used against other teams, re his hanging around Hospital morgue.
I think understanding perpetrators is important. It might help us see the warning signs and prevent tragedies in the future. Another thing that helps is more survivor stories. Them being supported could lead to a more empathic society.
of course, spending time studying personality types can help you know what to expect out of a person, and personalities are all different for different races too.
Race is a distraction Psychology and Behavioural analysis is what the focus needs to be. Race is getting into politics and other areas that aren’t relevant or apply.
Excellent measured analysis. Have you considered the possibility of this family being involved in a cult of some sort? The fact that all 3 sons were involved in sexual abuse indicates the possibility of ongoing sexual abuse within the home and makes me wonder what may have happened to the girls. Being devout and attending Church can be a 'cover' for cult groups. The depth of depravity of Jimmy, the brothers involved in sexual abuse, the instant 'healing' ie overnight credited to going to church, (from something a Dr has given the prognosis as death), the detachment of the mother, involving Jimmy in the deaths at the care home - these make me think this is much deeper than an emotionally neglected childhood. It may be that Jimmy is 'empty' because he was abused to the point of dissociation - broken, maybe not by neglect, but with intent.
🎯 very good points.
Good points. His father was involved. His dad had links to Peter Sutcliffe’s father. He was knighted by the Pope. He was very high up in the satanic order and provided children for abuse to the rich, famous and VIP.
Look into MKULTRA. He was into satanic rituals. As has been said in many articles since his death. There’s a LOT more to his story and life than the media and this video touches on, there’s a deeper and more sinister connection between a lot of these people. The politicians and royals he was close to.
@@lorimiller4301 I think the "cult" they were involved with was the Catholic church. We all now know now rampant child abuse was in the Catholic church. Child abuse just wasn't discussed in those days and people in authority were not believed. It was almost considered more dirty to talk about it than to commit the crime. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out he'd been sexually abused himself.
Yes, he was a wizard. There is a great video on it somewhere.
He didn’t get away with it, people knew what he was doing and allowed him to do it.
What always struck me about Saville was, here's a man doing all this charitable work for 'the people' and yet I never sensed any warmth or love for real people. Except the weird fixation on his mother. How much of the charity work was to validate the youngest family member in the eyes of his mother? To prove his worth. Also, I wonder how much of the larger than life bleached hair, wacky clothes etc, was about creating a a character for the real, damaged, him to hide behind?
I've always wondered about people doing charity work. Are they doing it for the recipient or for themselves.
he wanted attention with his strange look, though, you can sense thats just his true self, but still, he did that look to hide his sickness.
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Yes. It does beg the question. We all give to charity collectors every now and then. But when it appears to become your whole life, something else is urely happening.
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Or was he saying, on some level, "I'm a strange man". And visually reinforced it.
Sometimes the truth hides in plain sight.
@@mesolithicman164 yeah, god damn, what he did worked both ways, he was a very smart deviant.
Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols said Saville was dodgy on air and they never released the footage.
Piers Morgan, for all his faults allowed Johnny to speak on it in an interview years back
Speak on it with morgan when it became socially acceptaple
@@mrdee2454 and after several reviews no one in power has been held to account for allowing him access to rape children and others
Piers always speaks the truth.And yes they wouldn't put rotten on top of the pops after that
@@scratchy1704 piers is full of bullshit
@@scratchy1704 piers always speaks the truth wtf ? He was fired from the Murrow for publishing fake pictures and lies, knowing it was fake and lies
An absolutely first rate analysis..... Thank you for such a quality documentary.
Jimmy Savile is but one of many horrors of years gone by... But then there are the more recent ones which also get swept under the carpet; Rotherham grooming gangs, Jeffrey Epstein, etc.
We (as a society) don't know how to react. We know we should react, but we feel helpless to help once a person's innocence has been extinguished... Darkness doesn't "sell"... 😣
I think Russell Brand is in the same category.
@@EmoBearRights and Donald Trump
@@alfsmith4936 Yup.
“The Duchess” reminds me a lot of Beatrice Horseman (cold, neglectful, verbally abusive, never watched or claimed to never watch her son’s shows), which makes me wonder if that character was inspired by her.
Sounds like Karen Carpenters' mother. She adored Richard but just didn't acknowledge Karen at all. Couldn't even say she loved her when Karen desperately needed her to.
@@lorimiller4301 That's a very sad example. Her bio pic really showed how desperate she was to please her mother and get her approval and love. Very sad.
Sadly, the world has seen more than its fair share of bad parents and Beatrice Horseman could have been based on anybody. Nobody really knew Jimmy Saville's mother, so I doubt it's her. It's interesting though that so many criminals have had terrible relationships with their parents.
I am curious. Why does youtube allow nude yoga and massage videos because they are "educational" but you can't educate people about dark topics without avoiding certain words? Talk about a double standard.
They're both allowed, you just can't expect to be monetized after the fact, nor pushed by the algorithm
I've been both horrified and fascinated with this case for some time. I must say yours is the most profound analysis I've found so far. Thanks!
I was born in 1961 - so grew up with Savile as a TV personality. It’s just not true to say he was universally adored - everybody thought he was a creep in my experience. I’m sure he had his fans but he was no where near as popular as you may think. Fix it was popular despite him. Of course the BBC revolved around its ‘stars’ and constantly promoted his charity work, marathon running etc. giving the impression that he was far more beloved than he actually was.
My mum and dad told me never to write to Jim’ll Fix It. The rumours were rife.
You underestimate the gullibility of the British public I think he was more popular than you think.
He was one of the top presenters in the 70s and 80s even in the 60s he was in ferry across the Mersey and he was close to the Beatles, Chris Tarrant dressed up as him on a episode of tiswas, he had far more charisma than Tony Blackburn and Mike Read.
A norwegian psychologist named Aina Sundt Gullhaugen has proposed a new model which suggests that repressed shame is actually at the core of psychopathy.
She thinks that psychopaths are people who have or have had so much problems with shame that they can't deal with it.
And so much of their behaviors can be explained as them unconsciously avoiding shame.
Her model is called the "Dynamic Model of Psychopathy". The model aims to explain the internal problems that the psychopaths face themselves (even though they won't admit it).
She's said that we won't be able to treat psychopathy until we understand what's difficult for the psychopath. We can't treat that which we don't understand.
So she's been trying to lay a foundation for clinical treatment of psychopaths.
She is more optimistic than most when it comes to psychopathy. It's a bit refreshing to see there's still people trying to find treatment options.
But she has never said it would be easy. It would take a lot of time. And it would also depend on how willing the psychopath is in being there.
From my perspective Saville create his "image"/himself, to protect his remaining pieces of "true himself". On different stages of learning, people's perception is different. If he was rejected by his mother as a child, or she gave him constant signal: "you're not good enough". No wonder he tried to buy her love, atention, affection. It doesn't matter how hard he tried to be "good enough". After many attempts, the pain is too overwhelming and it's easier, safe, to hide deep inside "true self". And also it's easier ti show, give, to others what they want or need. This "hurt entity" inside is quite satisfied that still is able to make others smile, give a bit happiness, amusement, etc.
Also this hidden "nature" seek sort of revenge for all suffering. It's like primal instinct, and some people are not able to hide it efficiently.
I might be wrong. It's only my opinion.
Best regards.
I had heard a psychologist discuss narcissist having an emotionally stunted age of around 18mths which if I remember correctly he was implying was due to neglect, abuse or something else disrupting child development.
yes, savile obviously had a bad childhood.
Thank you so much for this video. I found it to be very insightful. I grew up in a country outside UK, so only heard of Savile not long before his death, having watched Louis Theroux's interviews with this shell of a man. In particular I appreciated your observation about Savile having no sense of boundaries, because that comes across in almost all his interactions with others, even those he didn't abuse. I can remember feeling uncomfortable while watching the Theroux interviews. Savile was clearly gaming Louis in an attempt to evade any level of insight or truth. In essence, Savile was always in control of the interview.
The people who enabled him and then act as if they had no idea are more distasteful. I find it naive to assume he's the only person in media behaving this way. But the heat is getting too much with all the current scandals pointing in that direction so here's today's boogie man to misdirect the public.
A poignant point to make. He's almost certainly not the only one. Whether this is intentional misdirection, I don't know, but it's an interesting idea
It was around 35 minutes in when I realised that understanding somebody's psychology brings about feelings of sympathy... I'd never considered that before. I've been fascinated with Savile for a while because I can't just chalk him up to being a psychopath because there seems to be something more there.
This has been phenomenal listening and viewing, I think I'll have to watch a second time for more info to digest.
Narcissist who can use charm, perhaps? It opened doors for him.
Yes. I get that. After a while, I realise one can't blame the parents as, maybe they were abused too? ..and so on and so on all the way back. Blaming doesn't help and vengeance, (disguised as judgement,) swiftly follows. A profound lack of love seems to permeate these types of case.
There's 1 moment in the Louis Theroux doc where Saville is getting in his car & his mask slips just momentarily & he looks utterly lost, bereft & miserable. I had to replay it to make surev I wasnt imagining it. That's a look I've seen in people who are deeply, deeply depressed with unaliving ideation.
@@jogriffiths5766of course one can blame the abuser even if he himself was abused. It's a challenge most people don't have sure but it's on people to end it. Another story of generational abuse is rose west , serial killer. She and her husband were peak. The kids couldnt exactly follow as per publicity. With her kids. Well. One slept with a minor so he still managed to kinda suck. A daughter might be alright. Another son committed suicide.
Thank you for making this video. Not being British, I never really had any exposure to Savile. My husband wrote into Jim Will Fix It though. It’s hard to understand how ubiquitous Savile really was, not having been exposed to it. Knowing that he was makes this story truly chilling. It’s nice to hear another aspect of the story that no one else has really addressed. It’s important to pick this case apart and look at every piece. Every time we do this, it goes to prevent this from happening continuously
I love your choice of images, for the parts when there’s no need for specific visual reference. A nature hike isn’t distracting. It’s weirdly immersive.
Creepy trail on a cloudy day.
This to me is the most important part of exploring such cases. HOW and WHY does someone become a monster?
Yes it’s important to look at how to identify one…but the making of a dark triad vs the nature of a dark triad is critically important!
Thank you.
I’d love for a lengthy study of Dahmer and his father….
yeah, dahmer and his father? CIA
Saville was severely abused by his horrible mother. On top of that he had a miserable childhood spent in an old people's home etc. And it doesn't sound like he had any loving or caring other adults in his young life. So he was completely 'alone' which was a theme throughout his life. Being so detached and probably seeking revenge he went on to abuse hundreds of others. There are millions of kids who aren't getting enough care and love. WE can give them a smile. It takes a village to raise a child. All wars and man made atrocities are caused by adults who have been severely abused as kids. Thankfully most abused kids don't go on to abuse others. But they suffer throughout their lives with depression etc. We can start to turn this around with a smile and a kind word. I remember fondly the few times a teacher or other adult smiled at me or I felt they thought of me kindly. It's a start.
Many other chiidren had an uprbringing like Savile and they didn't turn out like him.
I know some people can't handle the fact that some people are born with wiring that seals their fate as eviI , but..tough. Get over it.
His mother certainly contributed to the development of personality in Saville.
that Irish sounding guy at the start of this vid interviewing Jimmy, I remember him when I lived in the UK, I believe his name is Anthony Clare. Great interviewer.
I remember Savile on Jim'll Fix It when I was 10 years old and I knew something was wrong with the guy and never watched a full episode. The guy made me feel uncomfortable just watching him.
You are correct, that was Anthony Clare. His interview was Savile was the one I found most fascinating.
I remember jS as not being "human" - he was a caricature. The interesting part of the programme was the dreams that came true for kids. Even then some of those dreams didn't ring true - we now find that some were manufactured.
It seems to me that he spent his life pretending to give himself to everybody because the sad truth is that he was unable, or willing to give anything at all. He was a miser with money and was unable to show or give affection. If he was a necrophile, that would suggest that he could get what he wanted without giving anything in return. The dead could not humiliate him as his mother had done, they could not judge him and he had complete control and power over them. When his mother died, he had complete control of her and how much time he spent with her. One does have to wonder whether he exercised the unpalatable act of ultimate power and control over her during the five days he spent with her. She was the only person he did not have in his control. He did not allow anyone to get close to him because he knew that if they did they would quickly see through the charade, That suggests that the image he portrayed was a thin veneer, and he had no depth. He was projecting the polar opposite of what he truly was. Control seems to be the key factor in his personality - the real one.
The fact that he SA'd bodies in morgues then spent 5 days alone with his deceased mother is a little suspect to me. Especially the way he talks about it, he "could finally have her all to himself." He clearly has a lot of weird issues with his mom so I wouldn't put it past him. Knowing how often he blatantly told people what he was doing, this part creeps me out
Thanks for these videos. The quality of both information and emotional dialogue is unparalleled on TH-cam. May these words resonate with more people. Great job!
I think your point about him feeling indestructible was a good one.
The man had incredible good luck in being able to ride the wave of the youth revolution in popular music and get himself into broadcasting. He was really just in the right place at the right time to land a job at Radio Luxemburg and then TOTP.
Then to get away for so long with his offending without any kind of proper challenge probably made him feel that he really could do almost anything he wanted. I bet he couldn't believe his luck at times.
The other side of him though was the very manipulative, intimidating and careful side, always on the lookout for potential trouble and knowing he had to shut it down immediately.
Great to see an intelligent and sensitive approach to this subject.
The task of adulting , taking care of yourself, meeting basic needs, career, relationships, parenting for victims of childhood abuse is akin to running in a race with one leg. Sometimes that leg is even tied behind your back r shoced down your throat. Managing life can feel like an endless game of falling down and picking yourself up by your own bootstrap. I was always utterly confounded as to how "everyone else" managed to function . Couldnt fathom the idea that I was disabled because to me Id always been this undeveloped human, with no idea of what the missing pieces were. As a consequence I always felt ashamed of not being able to function effectively, ashamed of never having nice boyfriends . As I got older I became more aware of this defecit, I needed help but the help I needed was too big and the help available was pathetically small, so small it felt pointless . I was in my thirties when I first came across the idea of boundaries, I read this book about them and thought Id done the work untill I came to live with a narcissist in my fifties. I think that was a worse hell than my childhood but I did finally develop more effective boundaries through necessity. I couodnt leave him because I had not accrued any viable career r financial resource, despite lots of skill and talent. Today I still see myself as not having the ability to protect and care for myself financially but quite good at my inner world , my peace of mind is not desturbed by others more than momentarily. Some abuse victims need a lifetime of serious support while they get on with the business of developing a healthy sense of self but instead we are faced with the lack of regard or acknowledgement for our disadvantage ; we are expected to function normally. People with physical walking disabilities are not expected to climb stairs, people do not stand around berating and shaming them for not being able to perform this very simple task. Thats something that needs to be implemented, we need proper support where we are lacking in our own abilities. One problem is that we dont know we are broken , we dont know what our psyches are supposed to look like, heck, our minds are so damaged that we cant even bear to look at them...all there was in my young years was a menagerie , no ordered thinking, and lots of excrusiating shame.
You could probably do a whole one on the psychology of celebrity and the way ordinary folk react to it and the power that comes with fame.
I'd be willing to bet Andrew had an idea of what Saville was doing
I'd bet my life on it !
Saville was a go-between and advisor for Charles and Diana's marriage; he spent Christmas with Margaret Thatcher. No one can get that close without the info-gathering govt networks knowing who Saville was. Everyone was and is vetted. Andrew is a dot on the landscape.
@@jwsuicides8095spent Christmas with thatcher 11 christmas' in a row
As did his brother I'm sure
You’ve done an absolutely brilliant job on this one, tasteful, respectful, insightful. I watched the Netflix documentary the other day and it definitely felt like a huge chunk of the story was missing, especially what you mentioned around his siblings facing similar charges. Thank you for this deep dive!
P.S. Amigos, trust me, you do not want to fall asleep to this video. I’m aware his voice is soothing and the music is relaxing, but the nightmares will be extra spicy.
It’s interesting to think of someone who presents his trauma through the dark triad as lacking that sense of being a substantial, safe container for their felt experience. I have experience both personal and in my practice of early attachment neglect leading to this difficulty, but never considered it as an underlying issue that could layer with other experiences in such a way that THIS is what it looks like. It’s a challenging thought!
His mother strikes me as the kind of woman who became a mother, not because she wanted to, because that’s just what women did. She doesn’t seem to have any investment in any of her kids probably. especially if multiple of them went on to become sex offenders.
What miserable people with miserable lives making more people miserable. How will this cycle be broken...
unfortunately, thats what happens to a lot of women, still.
Maybe, although that seems more political and makes her into a victim, there are plenty of women like that (likely the vast majority, or making a comment like that would be sacrilegious) who's kids didn't become what hers did or who went against that societal norm and refused to have kids
If we zoom in we see her subjective experience is the same as his. Vulnerability is weakness and must be punished
or maybe she was raped within or beyond her marriage ...and pretended as women were forced to...to think marriage and or rape was ok.
World war 3
Strange woman wasnt she...
Fascinating thank you. I live near Leeds and was brought up as a child with Saville on TV every week. I even thought about attending his memorial in Leeds, but didn’t go in the end. I’ve watched the Netflix doc and didn’t know about his brothers, so yes why on earth weren’t they included. As a result I now find it interesting as to how this pervert hoodwinked a nation for so long including your incisive psychological breakdown.
I didn't know about Saville's siblings until watching this vid. There can be a genetic inheritance of course...if the siblings were assaulted themselves then the genetic inheritance is strengthened. Thanks goodness MOST survivors of childhood abuse do NOT go on to perpetrate what they have suffered.
He had connections to elites that had more power and perhaps they too had an interest of him not getting caughed, to safe their own asses of crimes we most likely never will hear about
@@vivvy_0 he was basically a gangster. No doubt he knew a lot of blackmail stuff, but a lot of it wasn't of a sexual nature. It's said for example that he got away with things in Broadmoor hospital because he knew a lot of the staff were abusing the overtime system. I think above everything else, he was able to get away with so much because social attitudes back then allowed so many offenders to get away with it. People were incredibly naive about paedophiles and just didn't want to know about it. It was very similar to domestic abuse. Nobody wanted to know about that either. Famous people were worshipped and people in authority positions were not questioned.
Great analysis building on the Anthony Clare interview and other snippets of him interacting with people throughout the years.
He knew he was empty compared to "normal" people hence calling himself a machine.
A cyborg.
That's the thing with narcissistic psychopaths. They're completely empty shells feeding off other people like vampires.
Growing up feeling invisible, unheard leading to a continual need to seen and heard, of wanting to reach and out and connect but completely unable to know what to do with any connection he made on anything other than a surface level. Like a stone skimming over the surface of a pond. Needing the pond to bounce off but scared of being swallowed up by it.
Interesting what you said about the only closeness he felt towards his mother was when he was close to death as a child... Maybe that's one of the reasons why he surrounded himself with ill and dying people. That's the closest thing to being connected and being alive that he felt?
Good thought!
This has been a strangely compelling video. As a child I saw Saville on tV and heard him on the radio. I always felt that he was a bit off, though I could not put my finger on why I was repelled by him.
Later in life, I realised that I have a well developed sense of intuition.... I could always spot a rotter.
Whenever I have done something dumb in my life, I have always been warned by my intuition, when I ignored it, it was always to my detriment.
Children only want to be loved. Interesting that this man who constantly sought love from others felt so threatened by children who too seek love. Probably because they mirror the needs he didn’t have himself to give. Perhaps growing resentment in the process. Or perhaps he said that to distract from his atrocious acts.
Yes, I too was disappointed with Netflix doc about how much thry went into his psychology. I remember running children's great North run and him running at some point around me and my Dad.
It wasn't the fact he called his mother The Duchess, that was cringy for me as a young boy. The real crime was the BBC indulging Jimmy Saville and his obviously weird relationship with his mother and portraying it as something special. When I was a young teenager, Saville was always on TV, I openly did not like him and was rebuked some older members of my family for not respecting the charity work he performed.
Thank you for taking the time to do the psychological research behind Saville. It was clearly difficult for you to present but you have offered a different perspective on his actions. I am not suggesting his actions were excusable, they were not, but you have given the viewer a better understanding of who he was and why he handled his own abuse.
I was abused as a child and did not develop unhealthy behavioral traits as Saville did but you did touch on so many descriptive facts of why he became the person he did and you answered questions which I asked of myself regarding Saville as being a machine. I understand that feeling and can tell you that it is a very lonely and confusing place to be.
Fortunately I was able to break that link in the chain which snakes its way from generation to generation. Sadly Saville could not, or did not control his urges to abuse his many many innocent victims and as a result, hundreds of victims are born to the same nightmare.
I wish I could talk to you further about this, there are so many areas which we could explore together verbally.
An incredibly insightful, appropriately compassionate & thoughtful exploration of a difficult topic. Very well done, my friend.
I don't think that anyone really understands these matters but congratulations on your efforts.
You're story about the CEO reminded me of a story Matthieu Ricard told in this Ted Talk "The Habits of Happiness:
We think that if we could gather this and that, all the conditions, something that we say, "Everything to be happy -- to have everything to be happy." That very sentence already reveals the doom, destruction of happiness. To have everything. If we miss something, it collapses...The Dalai Lama was once in Portugal, and there was a lot of construction going on everywhere. So one evening, he said, "Look, you are doing all these things, but isn't it nice, also, to build something within?" And he said, "[Without] that -- even if you get a high-tech flat on the 100th floor of a super-modern and comfortable building, if you are deeply unhappy within, all you are going to look for is a window from which to jump."
I reckon his offences was far more than the 450/500 count. Think of it, if he offended (in any way, a grope or whatever) just once a day for 50 years that`s 18,250 offences.. Im inclined to think he offended more than once a day.
Since he was a devout catholic, I wonder if his charity work was an attempt to atone for his crimes. He was even knighted by the pope for his charity work.
He was a Satanist and they think you can balance it out. Even Danny Kaye said he made St Judes to make up for all the bad things he's done. He said it while laughing and no one caught on. Here's a video on it but the guy talking is hiding one eye and wearing black and white so take it for what it's worth. Hope it helps explain what's going on. th-cam.com/video/7Eeo-82Eac8/w-d-xo.html
Well the Catholic Church and Jimmy obviously get their methods from the same play book. Both utterly wrong and depraved in their actions except that Jimmy is am amateur compared to the Catholic Church when it comes to abuse. The Catholics have centuries more experience.
They believe in sin by redemption. But yes means the same.
@@chrispbacon3042 hear hear ,the Catholic Church should be abolished and set up differently of some kind.barbaric monsters.
The pope doesn't knight people the Queen does lol
I’m a transistorized, transgenederized, transmogrified trans-human
A corporatized, commercialized, industrial-strength consumer
A goal setting, gym sweating, debt fretting freak
A social climbing net-worker that’s always on heat
I got my education, majoring in indoctrination
Where they taught me to comply, to never question why
And so I’m chasing an illusion, of success that’s a delusion
That is sending me insane, exploding my brain
And as we teeter on the brink, soon to be extinct
I always wear a smile, coz I'm living in denial
I know from other things I've watched of him, he was actually the child most douted on by his family. He had an accident as a baby and couldn't shut his eyes for 6 months. So he was looked after by his siblings and his mum, who he lived with his whole life.
There are rumours about incests with her, maybe emotional, maybe something else.
I know personally because I know friends of Saville that even after she died he kept her clothes and belongings and kept th.cleaned and mended.
Knowing that he was a necrophile puts a sickening slant on him saying that the 5 days with his mothers body were the best of his life because he got to truly have her. 😮
Nice video, and I say that as a survivor of the type of thing Savile got up to. It is endemic in British culture and tied up with politics, empire and power. Even the Police acknowledge that and say the problem too massive to handle, advising we educate kids to protect them. Indeed, it is integrated into the State and how people get into certain positions; the type of 'trust' and bonding it engenders amongst offenders is massive and why it is used.
excellent analysis. i've been thinking a lot about him too recently. just trying to make sense of him. I'm thinking of him similar to Keith Ranieri or a corrupt cult leader (without followers), making up for childhood non-importance, with extreme self-importance. you hit the nail on the head with 'the machine' analogy. there's nothing there. i wonder if that in itself is terrifying. to feel like that. and the constant activity is so that he doesn't have to think too much. i once lived with an alcoholic and she would drink constantly so that she couldn't think about her abusive childhood. Saville may have been an addict in several things. Also you didn't mention the possibility that he was abused as a child or been in an abusive environment like Fred and Rosemary West.
From a Generational Satanick abuse family?
I met Savile once through my job in the early 90's. Creepy as f***
He was also quite religious, and it's been commented that he was also doing this to pay penance. I think he said so himself, once, actually.
Just a quick comment; I'm just up to @ 7 minutes and have to say that as response to the comment that he was 'adored by children' - as a child growing up in the late 70's (I was born in 1971) I did not adore this man.
I watched his shows and various antics (his fund raising etc) and he always made me feel incredibly uncomfortable. My gut instinct was that I did not like him and I found him incredibly creepy.
I remember a conversation with my mum some time probably in the early 1980's (during one of his TV shows) and telling her that I considered him odd and in my opinion was probably a child molester. I would have been about 12 or 13 at the time, and of course knew such people were around. My justification was that he never seemed to have any romantic interest (of either gender), was always hanging around children (although stated that he did not actually like children) and his selfless acts for charity were too good to be true. I found his saccharine personality utterly fake; in fact I said this many times over the years.
If a kid in his early teens can make this argument and found years later to be spot on, how the hell did Savile (surrounded by educated and intelligent people) manage to live a full life and only after death be disgraced?
I was a child in the 1970s and didn’t know anyone else whom thought he was funny or cool when compared to other DJs or pop celebrities of the time . I recall Viz comic doing a fake interview with Savile about 20 years ago in which they highlight that very odd ‘ catchphrase’ or odd noise which they attempted to spell which reminded me of it. It went “ uuurrghh uuurrrgghh uurrgghh “ Do you remember his doing it ? What the heck was that all about ? Was this a code for other evil nutters ! 🤔
I’m around the same age as you and I remember this cretin all over the television in the 70s and 80s , he used to give the the creeps at best. My father would change channel when ever his face appeared and my father always said - that man is not right.
because the educated and intelligent people were probably doing the same thing as him. I have no doubt in my mind that a lot of celebs nowadays are into the same or worse shit as Saville and those people will also never face justice and will die as beloved celebs with the truth never coming out. Life is not a Disney movie, sadly evil rules this world.
I think you can ignore red flags if your career depends on it also for someone who claimed to be as anti authoritian as Saville he had the system working for him. I think people didn't think to question things and celebrity was one of those things - there was also a lot more casual sexism around at the time that Innuendo was normal or normalised. These are the decades of Carry On films, the Benny Hill show, the Confessions films and On the Buses. It took a punk who didn't care about 'respectable' opinion to actually speak up about the dark rumours he heard or the vibes he got. I hope these days that people feel freer to challenge things but Russell Brand shows that this maybe is and isn't true.
Odd theory and it’s a bizarre one, he just plainly enjoyed abusing people, he felt weak and helpless when he was younger, he then found himself able to do whatever he wanted to whoever he pleased and just simply enjoyed that.
Thank you for this video. I found several things interesting about the Savile case. First, coming from the US, I was unaware that there was such a character as Jimmy Savile. I only heard of him in passing from the likes of Davide Ike. recently, we have found out that human trafficking or specifically child trafficking is a huge international business grossing more than petroleum profits, yet there is a vail that it doesn't exist. Our president George Herbert Walker Bush had a similar "M.O." to Savile in that many of his deeds over the years were tagged with trophies as if to say catch me if you can. Finally, when Savile died, with a king's funeral, it took a great deal of energy put forth until we saw a tipping point in the consciousness of the public at large. This can serve as a demonstration of Mark Twain's quote that it's easier to pull the wool over someone's eyes than to convince them that they have been fooled. While we all carry that shadow self to one degree or another rooting out the darkness and integrating it into something healthy seems always to take a back seat to keeping up with the demands of life nipping at our heals and without the constrains of community social morays this kind of a perfect storm is created,
Very well said. It's a terrifying reality but a reality nonetheless, and there's not much you can do about terrors without facing them
I'd be very wary of David Icke. He really is a lunatic.
@@mylittlethoughttree... Did he supply the elite with children ?
Did you know his grandmother had an affair with a British Royal and why Jimmy referred to his mother as the Duchess , BUT, what if Jimmy inherited some DNA genetic trait from his Royal Grandfather ?
No-one can get near a Prime Minister or any Royal without MI5 & Special Branch having checked them out thoroughly. No way could they not know his devious proclivities and a provider of vulnerable children. Therefore, the Royals & Prime Minister Thatcher were fully clued up about him, but they still chose to befriend him. Ask yourself why? Especially with regard to Charles.
the web of questions this rabbit hole leads to its amazing you managed to make a coherent video.
I think what everybody misses is that on Game shows or top of the pops the host always put there arms around the contestant...I always thought this was weird...but they always did...like openly...and it was like an accepted concept...until...well now!!
Really interesting and thoughtful analysis. Well researched and sensitively expressed. Well done
A big mystery for me is: why or how do people get to a point to where they do something destructive? Curiosity about that had me deep diving into detective magazines, biographies, crime stories, cold cases, and the like. Fascinating things you think of while in isolation: how other people tick. :) Thanks for this video. It's damn cool.
Just a quick comment from a Yorkshire native, when he is asked if he hates children, he doesn't say "hate 'em", he very definitely says "hate him". Sounds to me like is thinking of someone in particular, though I am not sure if psychologists believe in Freudian slips any more.
His father?
Brilliant analysis....best I've watched so far (and I've watched a lot!). Intelligent, insightful and very interesting. Thank you so much, I really enjoyed that 😊
The original exposure documentary didn’t come out until 2012! They were still protecting him a whole year after he died!
GREAT documentary and analysis. In all the talk recently, especially since 'The Reckoning', the facts still boil down to one simple fact - the people who made accusations against Savile MUST BE, and NEEDED TO BE, taken seriously from the beginning, that would have been a good start at the very least - they just needed to know that believed them and took them seriously.
What a fascinating analysis. He obviously hated women. His relationship with his mother is so disturbing. The fact that he was able to fulfil his deviant evil desires for so long is a disgrace.
As someone else said, ‘he was a wrongun’ and you could tell this by just looking at him. So a lot of adults looked the other way.
The most disturbing thing is that BBC still exist.
The beeb does some things really well. Trend setting isn't one of them. Saville came to us at a time when a lot of this behaviour was considered largely acceptable. We now recognise that as obscene. But it was harder to nail people back then for this behaviour. The BBC were broadcasters and broadcasting is what they did. Just saying.
Very good and comprehensive analysis, and as you say most therapists place him firmly in the center of the dark trads, with only fame, fortune contacts, and a very publicly trustworthy persona to cover up his crimes. I don't find that satisfying though, as you say in the end it is for power and control, not sexual urges that could be released with a simple Playboy magazine. What I do think is missing in this analysis is that psychopathy is a very close mimic for a head injury. This is a common theory from the wrestling community, that has been more focused on CRT since Benoît killed his family. Apparently, the rumor is that he was very boastful and very unpopular and did not change, but got the snot beaten out of him for real. as well as the coal accident and the illness, some of which could leave brain tissue damaged (IDK in this case, I'm no doctor), but also if there was a family propensity for SA then this has been shown to at least "dull" parts of the brain. It's very complex and he was very practiced at refuting accusations and, since puberty has not let any close friends see him. But this could be a spur to act on the behavior he was taught, and being physical would make it challenging to control or make change.
The two things I have never seen is that some in the BBC knew. And some complaints have come forward from hospitals, but how many had actionable accusations, how did those outside BBC miss this and how did those inside live with themselves. And did anyone also think the Bawdy shows like Benny Hill or Carry On were barely disguised efforts to get girls? We know Rolf Harris is in jail, but others have moved on.
As a slight side issue, have you noticed how narcissists take such effort about their hair? Image is everything to them.
Best doc I've seen on this subject. It seems as if he was 'half-dead,' with only the negativity left,(in order to physically survive?) The notion of boundaries is so important. ..or his case, the lack thereof. I've noticed this about my mother, (RIP,) and a couple of ex 'friends,' I no longer see. They don't end where you begin, you are merely a extension of them.