William Rees is a national treasure. It is difficult for me at age 76 to understand why so few people get what he is talking about. Regarding education, we should start with the farm and the natural systems. Thanks for shedding light on reality.
why almost nobody seems to understand overshoot? because of the way the human brain works, people cannot stand the idea of death esp. when it refers to them, accepting the facts like overshoot means accepting billions of people suffering and dying in a short period of time.
Yes they are very good too, but I believe because they are younger and only human, they need more hopeium to personally psychologically cope in this situation. They are still in the bargaining stage. 99% understanding and acceptance of real situations is very rare in human beings.
@@johngray1439 yes, and Hagens is more grounded than Planet Critical, which is still a good venue. Hagens last guest, the German scientist suffered from some hardcore hopeium. Which they need to sell us rationally, we want to not die, tell us how, not just “we must transition” but man, the faith in green transition is so ironclad. That Mark Jacobson Stanford delusional entity.
I believe the key to our failure to address environmental degradation and collapse is our lack of respect for the non human life forms who share the planet with us, as Mr. Rees points out with his human-exceptionalism comment.
I’ve been ‘struck’,or maybe ‘stuck’,with a term that popped into my head back in the late ‘70s when I could see how the environmental issues were ‘handled’ by gov’t(and unwitting society). In my world at the time it was the rivers in the SW U.S.,which ones ‘deserved’ protection,same as with forests,deserts,wilderness areas,etc..My term was/is ‘cumulative’,the accumulation of usage of resource and the ‘financing’ behind it. Its a capitalistic symptom. Not holistic,which is the problem . Anyway,there are many academics and systems analysts smarter than I,like Dr. Rees,who continue to sound the alarms as to why people just don’t get it,nonetheless the corporations who run society for the ‘capital’ without having their feet in the ground,aware of a finite planet. Cumulative,we’ve reached overshoot ..
You have asked for comments, and this may be more than you were looking for. I am going to quote a comment I made trying to get Nate Hagens' and/or Simon Michaux's attention. I managed to contact both of them. I'm sorry to see that your interview doesn't have more views! I am about the same age as William Rees, and have been doing my best to get ANYBODY's attention for more than 50 years. I'll put my quote as a reply to this comment.
The inept questioning of these two youngsters is counterpointed by the very astute answers and explanations provided by a wise "elder". It is truly metaphorical.
The take away message is how Capitalism has been established as the new religion. Primitive societies developed religion based in environment and built controls into religious messaging. With adoption of Capitalism as our new religion, we've lost those controls but added no new ones and to add to that we bow down and praise the wealthy within this system as exceptional examples to emulate. Most of these people have profited by offsetting long term costs to future generations.
Cary, if you insist upon inserting the phrase "you know" into nearly every one of your sentences, after a while, communication with the listener is thwarted and all we hear is a repetitive droning youknowyouknowyouknow. You need to fix that so that you can communicate effectively.
Even fusion and transmission would not improve matters unless they invent replicators capable of %100 fidelity. Subterranean habitation is only way to not face the rocket propellent problem or thermodynamic overload while we solve the active load shedding; otherwise we will shortly surpass 500% carrying capacity.
What have you been smoking? Habitable surface area of earth is sufficient to provide 1 acre per human at a carrying capacity of 10 Billion. One acre can sustain much more than one human. The problem is profigacy, not your sci-fi word salad...
The question was allways if we would be able to reach equilibrium within the limits of the system.. What would be the highest standart we could have for loong time.. now, after 40 to 50 years ignoring limits du to made up myth of perpetual growth.. its to late i think.. so the only question is.. how can we get down from a living standart without killing each other ? without blaming each oather, and keeping our achevements as good as possible.. As nath haegens says.. there s no solution.. only answers.. but some of them are better as others..
One word: Thermodynamics. Living systems with their energy flows/cascades are the only batteries we need. Listen to BIG NATURE; it has all the answers. "But I am not willing to sacrifice MY wants and needs." (The new NIMBY.) We are a constantly expanding and conquering invasive species. It's easier to imagine human extinction than the end of The Great Game.
The planet is funded to act and forgot how to be a social labour, not a sedentary luxury.😢 How about a carbon petro dollar weight, because the measure is always of convenience, not truth. Paid to pollute, who isn’t?
Man - you can't criticize your culture to the core - and expect to be reelected. Today we should talk about _'how to close the door behind us properly'_ or go on with complaining about our 'Inadequacies of the past' **WE are not able to change profoundly within 20 years* Anyone might have another opinion here. *We: the West in first place.
@@dalewolver8739 The rotten brothel of chri$tian$ on coke - you mean? :) (excuse the exaggeration) Looking backwards 'civilization' is a bit euphemistic...
Ok. While I fully agree on the problem. When I calculate my footprint, even when vegan with no car and electricity in a 5sqm hut made form Straw my overshoot is still in August. That can‘t be!
Guys, it's always great to see interest in and awareness of these essential topics of interest, but, with respect, you could prepare a little more for an interview like this. It isn't helpful to pile questions on top of one another. Humming and hawing without clear direction when he finishes speaking and waffling about tenuously connected topics are distracting and break the flow of the conversation. I hope you will accept the criticism in the spirit it is offered, which is to say, constructively. Best of luck for the future, regardless of how ominous it looks.
"Private property is an invention"? - but also a natural world phenomenon - the lion pride's private territory, the bird's private nest... if the air could be privatised then it would not be subject to the tragic ruination it suffers as a commons resource.
Nonsense. As the professor explained there have been and are many communities and civilisations where private property is not an integral part of society. Bushmen, aboriginal peoples, many tribal nations.
@@Humanity101-zp4sq Never heard of "territory" or "hunting grounds"? It may or may not be private property per se but try being an Apache caught on Comanche territory back in the day. Even chimps patrol their territory and attack intruders.
1:04 Redesigning society to be a true socialist democracy would be the only way, where the decisions "of the day" are analyzed and philosophized to determine if the actions to take are good for the short term and long term. The larger the group, however, the more difficult to manage. A conundrum for sure
He talks about social conditioning and what we teach, yet he repeats the fictional Einstein quote about insanity, that doesn't even get insanity right regardless of who said it. We need to expose the idioms that have little-to-no basis in reality that makes us look like fools, or else we're just saying words and phrases we heard before that sound nice. Convincing people of our position using the same type of false thinking and logic of the past that got us in this mess probably won't help solve anything.
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William Rees is a national treasure. It is difficult for me at age 76 to understand why so few people get what he is talking about. Regarding education, we should start with the farm and the natural systems. Thanks for shedding light on reality.
why almost nobody seems to understand overshoot? because of the way the human brain works, people cannot stand the idea of death esp. when it refers to them, accepting the facts like overshoot means accepting billions of people suffering and dying in a short period of time.
They would rather pop out a few more kids to feed the screen. How creative.
I know, right? He is very clear about the big picture, but nobody wants to hear it.
All those self deceiving image driven narcs & enabling lazy mtfkrs needed us to serve them! Never forget that!!!!
All these selfish commodified creatures with their noisy sht. Dying f that is really something else!
Thank you all for this important conversation!
Many thanks, the Prof is a must watch and listen for me, always..
I search Rees every few days, like I used to with Chomsky. Great interview, this man has filled Chomskys void.
you could listen to nate hagens or planet critical with rachel
Yes they are very good too, but I believe because they are younger and only human, they need more hopeium to personally psychologically cope in this situation. They are still in the bargaining stage. 99% understanding and acceptance of real situations is very rare in human beings.
Yes, they need more screen time to get it.
@@thunderstorm6630 Bill is fantastic, Nate and Rachel are milquetoast, AT BEST
@@johngray1439 yes, and Hagens is more grounded than Planet Critical, which is still a good venue. Hagens last guest, the German scientist suffered from some hardcore hopeium. Which they need to sell us rationally, we want to not die, tell us how, not just “we must transition” but man, the faith in green transition is so ironclad. That Mark Jacobson Stanford delusional entity.
I believe the key to our failure to address environmental degradation and collapse is our lack of respect for the non human life forms who share the planet with us, as Mr. Rees points out with his human-exceptionalism comment.
Thank you
I’ve been ‘struck’,or maybe ‘stuck’,with a term that popped into my head back in the late ‘70s when I could see how the environmental issues were ‘handled’ by gov’t(and unwitting society). In my world at the time it was the rivers in the SW U.S.,which ones ‘deserved’ protection,same as with forests,deserts,wilderness areas,etc..My term was/is ‘cumulative’,the accumulation of usage of resource and the ‘financing’ behind it. Its a capitalistic symptom. Not holistic,which is the problem . Anyway,there are many academics and systems analysts smarter than I,like Dr. Rees,who continue to sound the alarms as to why people just don’t get it,nonetheless the corporations who run society for the ‘capital’ without having their feet in the ground,aware of a finite planet. Cumulative,we’ve reached overshoot ..
You have asked for comments, and this may be more than you were looking for. I am going to quote a comment I made trying to get Nate Hagens' and/or Simon Michaux's attention. I managed to contact both of them. I'm sorry to see that your interview doesn't have more views! I am about the same age as William Rees, and have been doing my best to get ANYBODY's attention for more than 50 years. I'll put my quote as a reply to this comment.
Yeah, we will fuel y channel.
@@kizzass3427 ?????? I don't understand what that means.
Are y stupid?
Should I start a channel?
Will it serve their a hole?
The inept questioning of these two youngsters is counterpointed by the very astute answers and explanations provided by a wise "elder". It is truly metaphorical.
It's not inept, they're asking questions that might seem obvious to some of us but for the average "unenlightened" person are not.
@@philipm3173 Unenlightened = Ineptitude Some might say...
The take away message is how Capitalism has been established as the new religion.
Primitive societies developed religion based in environment and built controls into religious messaging.
With adoption of Capitalism as our new religion, we've lost those controls but added no new ones and to add to that we bow down and praise the wealthy within this system as exceptional examples to emulate. Most of these people have profited by offsetting long term costs to future generations.
Cary, if you insist upon inserting the phrase "you know" into nearly every one of your sentences, after a while, communication with the listener is thwarted and all we hear is a repetitive droning youknowyouknowyouknow.
You need to fix that so that you can communicate effectively.
Seems this is how many civilians collapsed only we narrate ours including the possible human extinction.
Why will renewables coupled with batteries not work to transition to a fossilfuelless tuture? With data and actual numbers please.
Progressive taxation of profligate behaviour and activity is the only way forward, along with rewarding sustainable behaviours and activities.
There ARE countries which have attempted to 'step back'. European example - Finland. South Asian example - Bhutan.... and several others.
Even fusion and transmission would not improve matters unless they invent replicators capable of %100 fidelity. Subterranean habitation is only way to not face the rocket propellent problem or thermodynamic overload while we solve the active load shedding; otherwise we will shortly surpass 500% carrying capacity.
What have you been smoking? Habitable surface area of earth is sufficient to provide 1 acre per human at a carrying capacity of 10 Billion. One acre can sustain much more than one human. The problem is profigacy, not your sci-fi word salad...
How to respond as a Doctor? Its collaps then?
Whats the point if Malthus was right after all?
non, that is just live
The question was allways if we would be able to reach equilibrium within the limits of the system.. What would be the highest standart we could have for loong time.. now, after 40 to 50 years ignoring limits du to made up myth of perpetual growth..
its to late i think.. so the only question is.. how can we get down from a living standart without killing each other ? without blaming each oather, and keeping our achevements as good as possible..
As nath haegens says.. there s no solution.. only answers.. but some of them are better as others..
Really?
@@kizzass3427 Yes
@@tomschuelke7955 Haha, what's your magic carpet?
One word: Thermodynamics. Living systems with their energy flows/cascades are the only batteries we need. Listen to BIG NATURE; it has all the answers. "But I am not willing to sacrifice MY wants and needs." (The new NIMBY.) We are a constantly expanding and conquering invasive species. It's easier to imagine human extinction than the end of The Great Game.
The planet is funded to act and forgot how to be a social labour, not a sedentary luxury.😢
How about a carbon petro dollar weight, because the measure is always of convenience, not truth.
Paid to pollute, who isn’t?
Man - you can't criticize your culture to the core - and expect to be reelected.
Today we should talk about _'how to close the door behind us properly'_ or go on with complaining about our 'Inadequacies of the past'
**WE are not able to change profoundly within 20 years* Anyone might have another opinion here.
*We: the West in first place.
Ya, as Rupert Reed says, "This civilization is finished"
@@dalewolver8739
The rotten brothel of chri$tian$ on coke - you mean? :) (excuse the exaggeration)
Looking backwards 'civilization' is a bit euphemistic...
Ok. While I fully agree on the problem. When I calculate my footprint, even when vegan with no car and electricity in a 5sqm hut made form
Straw my overshoot is still in August. That can‘t be!
Where is your hut?
@@Humanity101-zp4sq it‘s not asking for a location.
Guys, it's always great to see interest in and awareness of these essential topics of interest, but, with respect, you could prepare a little more for an interview like this. It isn't helpful to pile questions on top of one another. Humming and hawing without clear direction when he finishes speaking and waffling about tenuously connected topics are distracting and break the flow of the conversation. I hope you will accept the criticism in the spirit it is offered, which is to say, constructively. Best of luck for the future, regardless of how ominous it looks.
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😂food is ONLY 4-5% of GNP😂😂😮😮😢😢
Without food therre is no GNP
@@ronwalker4998Everyone except economist knows this.
Economists are completely ignorant about the physical and ecological systems that sustain life on Earth.
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Lee Kevin Lopez Barbara Miller Brenda
Walker Maria Young Laura Williams Nancy
Harris William Lopez Nancy Miller Kevin
Doomalists unite, or not.
"Private property is an invention"? - but also a natural world phenomenon - the lion pride's private
territory, the bird's private nest... if the air could be privatised then it would not be subject to
the tragic ruination it suffers as a commons resource.
Nonsense. As the professor explained there have been and are many communities and civilisations where private property is not an integral part of society. Bushmen, aboriginal peoples, many tribal nations.
@@Humanity101-zp4sq Never heard of "territory" or "hunting grounds"? It may or may not be private property per se but try being an Apache caught on Comanche territory back in the day. Even chimps patrol their territory and attack intruders.
48:00 for a great book on this topic see Julia Watson's Lo-TEK (traditional ecological knowledge). She'd be a great guest!
Also, Bill Mollison. inventer/founder of Permaculture design and practise.
1:04 Redesigning society to be a true socialist democracy would be the only way, where the decisions "of the day" are analyzed and philosophized to determine if the actions to take are good for the short term and long term. The larger the group, however, the more difficult to manage. A conundrum for sure
Anarcho-syndicalism, not socialist democracy. You describe anarchism or direct democracy.
He talks about social conditioning and what we teach, yet he repeats the fictional Einstein quote about insanity, that doesn't even get insanity right regardless of who said it. We need to expose the idioms that have little-to-no basis in reality that makes us look like fools, or else we're just saying words and phrases we heard before that sound nice. Convincing people of our position using the same type of false thinking and logic of the past that got us in this mess probably won't help solve anything.
Isn't that the gist of the original Einstein quote?...