I happened upon these videos, and in the nick of time! I've just embarked upon Bargue drawings and really had no idea where to begin, I was just fumbling along. Thanks to your videos you've made the plates accessible, and my dream of becoming a proficient realist artist that much more reasonable to attain. Thank you very much.
So grateful for this video! Have been thinking about saving my ingots for the Bargue book, and you might have me convinced. I'm really looking forward to the rest of this series! I noticed as you drew the envelope that the composition of the arm, specifically the distance along the vertical plane from the bottom of the hand to the top of the knuckle on the index finger compared to that of the vertical distance between the top of the index knuckle and the top of the shoulder, conforms to the golden ratio. The same is true of the vertical distance between the top of the shoulder and the convex point of the elbow crease, as compared with the vertical distance between that crease and the bottom of the hand! Another great way to check your proportions!
as i'm making my way through these lessons, i noticed the Bargue method reminds me a bit of my own process. turns out i've been employing these techniques on my own... in a more intuitive and admittedly directionless manner... and here i thought i was being so clever measuring my references... meanwhile it has been "discovered" and used centuries prior 😅
Thank you for your videos, very helpful. A small critique though, the audio is off, make sure to have the audio output as mono instead of unbalanced stereo.
This is an awesome instruction video. Thankyou! Can you use this same notional space box method/envelope with portraits? I'm struggling so much with proportions.
hi, i am doing bargue copy, i was wondering if at this stage i should vizualize the enveloppe mentally, or really draw it over the bargue plate i'm copying
so glad I'm watching this and kinda upset with myself. Am doing a Ear Plaster Cast now. I've done a good Bargue Arm Plate before some 3 years ago. And kinda got 'rusty' on the main ideas. With my Ear Cast went ahead and added 7 lines. Forgot also that lines may intersect the drawing. i can't restart just because of that. The error is not serious, in fact could even make it easier later on. But the point of my drawing the Cast is to drill proper procedure and learning. Not render a perfect replica (which fine, would my next intention). Truly wished (as many would) - you uploaded or made it available your Plaster Cast Drawing series. My Ear Cast I hanged to my drawing paper as if a plate. I drilled a hole through the board and paper by using a corkscrew! Some ateliers do that. I chose not to go with a shadow box this time.
I really love that method, and your demonstration helped me break my fear from bargue plates. I would really like to know if there is any book outthere that has distinct commentary for each plate because as I noticed each plate teaches something new, so I am afraid that I might be not noticing the lessons' behind some plates. Thanks alot for these videos.
I won't deny Bargue method is clean but I also think that for beginner to venture deep in this method the guy will need to work a lot in his line and specifically ability to observe and reproduce angle.
Very good job at explaining the method. Thanks so much! I really needed this as I just started trying to draw the Bargue plates. One question, how are you getting your reference Bargue plates printed out that size? Would it be ok to just print them out on standard size printer paper?
Because the original plates were quite large (16"x20" range I believe), I recommend copying them on at least 11"x17" paper, which is what I have done here. That being said, these are already sized and ready to go for an 8"x11" printout: www.davinciinitiative.org/bargue-plate.html
The notional space box represents the height and the width of your drawing. It creates a convenient reference to better see negative space and finding contours, but that is not its primary purpose.
I've noticed we're not using nitram for the notional space box and envelope stages. What is it we're using and is there a reason why it's not nitram for these stages of the process? Thanks.
That is just the random collection of charcoal in my charcoal box collected over the years. Nitram is one brand of charcoal, but not the only one. It is my favorite though.
Hello, I really got a lot of benefits from your lessons. I knew the correct way to draw something, but I have a question, what should I do if my reference were smaller than my drawing, I mean how can I measure the distances? Could you please let me know?
If your reference is smaller than your drawing you are setting yourself up for a real challenge. This is because you have to invent more visual information than you may actually be seeing. So although you can draw smaller than what you are seeing, I do not recommend drawing bigger than your reference. That being said, you need to use something called comparative measuring when what you are drawing is a different size than the object you are looking at. look at your object. Is it taller or wider? If it is taller, how much taller? Then make a box on your paper that is the same ratio. This is the shortened thought process on comparative measuring. Really, I need to make an entire video class on it. You can get some more detailed information on comparative measuring with some of these free lesson plans: www.schoolofatelierarts.com/shop/
@@thedavinciinitiative5045 Thank you so much for your recommendatios and your explanation. I will do join there. I am so glad to know more about it from you.
Just got this in my recommendations, so had a peek. What intrigues me is that thare have been 6 lessons so far that accomplished " how to draw a rectangle"....😄 Serious though, I' ll go to lesson one and watch the whole thing, this looks like a very solid series of tutorials.
Thank you. Why are we not using a ruler to be precise? I understand the skewer can be used to check angles, but why not a ruler for checking the points?
nice demonstration, but what about scaled drawing "bigger or smaller than the actual photo" not sight size method or same size as the photo like in the video
You may want to try a drafting tool called a "proportional divider". You can take the same points, use the same methodology for developing the drawing and scale it to a different size quite accurately. They all likely include the simple instructions for use or you can check for demonstration videos. Hope it helps.
You're so good at explaining this method! I'm loving it. thank you for sharing this!!
hugs from Brazil.
Thank you!
I happened upon these videos, and in the nick of time! I've just embarked upon Bargue drawings and really had no idea where to begin, I was just fumbling along. Thanks to your videos you've made the plates accessible, and my dream of becoming a proficient realist artist that much more reasonable to attain. Thank you very much.
Thank you for the kind words and best of luck to you with your studies!
Thank you for making these videos!
So grateful for this video! Have been thinking about saving my ingots for the Bargue book, and you might have me convinced. I'm really looking forward to the rest of this series! I noticed as you drew the envelope that the composition of the arm, specifically the distance along the vertical plane from the bottom of the hand to the top of the knuckle on the index finger compared to that of the vertical distance between the top of the index knuckle and the top of the shoulder, conforms to the golden ratio. The same is true of the vertical distance between the top of the shoulder and the convex point of the elbow crease, as compared with the vertical distance between that crease and the bottom of the hand! Another great way to check your proportions!
Thank you for these videos!
Wonderful videos, thank you for sharing such good information.
Thank you! I post new content on the School of Atelier Arts channel. I hope you will subscribe!
thanks for this great work > all love to u :)
as i'm making my way through these lessons, i noticed the Bargue method reminds me a bit of my own process. turns out i've been employing these techniques on my own... in a more intuitive and admittedly directionless manner... and here i thought i was being so clever measuring my references... meanwhile it has been "discovered" and used centuries prior 😅
That’s the beauty of it, you can use your own skills and incorporate this method. You are not alone, many people use similar techniques. :)
Love your easy guidance. Thanks 🙏🏻👍🏻
love your videos, keepem' coming
Thank you for your videos, very helpful.
A small critique though, the audio is off, make sure to have the audio output as mono instead of unbalanced stereo.
This is an awesome instruction video. Thankyou! Can you use this same notional space box method/envelope with portraits? I'm struggling so much with proportions.
Thank you so much! You are magnificent!
hi, i am doing bargue copy, i was wondering if at this stage i should vizualize the enveloppe mentally, or really draw it over the bargue plate i'm copying
Thank you
very helpful!
so glad I'm watching this and kinda upset with myself. Am doing a Ear Plaster Cast now. I've done a good Bargue Arm Plate before some 3 years ago. And kinda got 'rusty' on the main ideas. With my Ear Cast went ahead and added 7 lines. Forgot also that lines may intersect the drawing.
i can't restart just because of that. The error is not serious, in fact could even make it easier later on. But the point of my drawing the Cast is to drill proper procedure and learning. Not render a perfect replica (which fine, would my next intention).
Truly wished (as many would) - you uploaded or made it available your Plaster Cast Drawing series.
My Ear Cast I hanged to my drawing paper as if a plate. I drilled a hole through the board and paper by using a corkscrew! Some ateliers do that. I chose not to go with a shadow box this time.
I will keep that in mind for my next course :) I post new content on the School of Atelier Arts channel. I hope you will subscribe!
Please, you said that u will use Nitram charcoal but u sharpen a willow charcoal (if I am right) , so which one you use it in the end ?
Nitram is simply a brand of willow charcoal. Any brand of willow charcoal will sharpen well for you.
@@thedavinciinitiative5045 Thank u
I really love that method, and your demonstration helped me break my fear from bargue plates. I would really like to know if there is any book outthere that has distinct commentary for each plate because as I noticed each plate teaches something new, so I am afraid that I might be not noticing the lessons' behind some plates. Thanks alot for these videos.
Not currently that I know of, but I will keep the topic in mind for future blog posts: www.schoolofatelierarts.com/doa-blog/
I won't deny Bargue method is clean but I also think that for beginner to venture deep in this method the guy will need to work a lot in his line and specifically ability to observe and reproduce angle.
Very good job at explaining the method. Thanks so much! I really needed this as I just started trying to draw the Bargue plates. One question, how are you getting your reference Bargue plates printed out that size? Would it be ok to just print them out on standard size printer paper?
Because the original plates were quite large (16"x20" range I believe), I recommend copying them on at least 11"x17" paper, which is what I have done here. That being said, these are already sized and ready to go for an 8"x11" printout: www.davinciinitiative.org/bargue-plate.html
100 % right
Is a notional space box is the same thing as Negative Space and outlining the contour?
The notional space box represents the height and the width of your drawing. It creates a convenient reference to better see negative space and finding contours, but that is not its primary purpose.
I've noticed we're not using nitram for the notional space box and envelope stages. What is it we're using and is there a reason why it's not nitram for these stages of the process? Thanks.
That is just the random collection of charcoal in my charcoal box collected over the years. Nitram is one brand of charcoal, but not the only one. It is my favorite though.
Nice.
Hello,
I really got a lot of benefits from your lessons. I knew the correct way to draw something, but I have a question, what should I do if my reference were smaller than my drawing, I mean how can I measure the distances? Could you please let me know?
If your reference is smaller than your drawing you are setting yourself up for a real challenge. This is because you have to invent more visual information than you may actually be seeing. So although you can draw smaller than what you are seeing, I do not recommend drawing bigger than your reference.
That being said, you need to use something called comparative measuring when what you are drawing is a different size than the object you are looking at.
look at your object. Is it taller or wider? If it is taller, how much taller? Then make a box on your paper that is the same ratio.
This is the shortened thought process on comparative measuring. Really, I need to make an entire video class on it. You can get some more detailed information on comparative measuring with some of these free lesson plans: www.schoolofatelierarts.com/shop/
@@thedavinciinitiative5045 Thank you so much for your recommendatios and your explanation. I will do join there. I am so glad to know more about it from you.
Just got this in my recommendations, so had a peek. What intrigues me is that thare have been 6 lessons so far that accomplished " how to draw a rectangle"....😄
Serious though, I' ll go to lesson one and watch the whole thing, this looks like a very solid series of tutorials.
Hello
Where do you teach
I guess it is like Grid drawing
Similar, except you are making a custom "grid" of sorts specifically to your subject so it is far more efficient.
Thank you. Why are we not using a ruler to be precise? I understand the skewer can be used to check angles, but why not a ruler for checking the points?
Skewers are easier to utilize, you can use a ruler if you like, you can also use a plumb line as well
What brand charcoal that broke so easily ?
I panicked when she broke the charcoal
Lol me too!
nice demonstration, but what about scaled drawing "bigger or smaller than the actual photo" not sight size method or same size as the photo like in the video
Maybe need to use a grind method for that?
You may want to try a drafting tool called a "proportional divider". You can take the same points, use the same methodology for developing the drawing and scale it to a different size quite accurately. They all likely include the simple instructions for use or you can check for demonstration videos. Hope it helps.
What's the password?
this is NOT drawing....