Kyle Laman, you will be an incredible EMT. Not just because you have survived this experience and will be able to empathize with your patients, but also because you are a bright young man who thinks quick on his feet. Much success to you in your career and thank you for the service you are willing to give to your community. Be well!
Can't even imagine the crazy amount of stress that each witness had to endure during these testimonies. The big kid that had six ankle surgeries really got to me as he was shaking like a leaf. The bravery by everybody, God bless them all
That kid in classroom 213, Logan Mitchel, am in awe of that kid, a real HERO. I saw him on the video, he was always level headed, the only kid worried about the injured, he immediately got up with the teacher and assisted the injured kids, even passing a girl who was on the safe spot her phone she left oh her desk, that kid was the one keeping that teacher focused. If he is reading this, you are amazing kid! What a way to react and to help others in the middle of an emergency! WELL DONE!
26:03 - states witness, Ashley Baez, student at MSDHS, 10th gr (?); started in the band room, went to the bathroom in building where shooting happened; saw shooter, went to a classroom; injuries in legs, multiple surgeries 1:01:11 - states witness, Genesis (?) Valentine, student at MSDHS, rm 1216; shrapnel in legs 1:10:06 - states witness, Ivey Schamis, Social Studies teacher at MSDHS, rm 1214 morning break 1:57:38 - states witness, Geleta (?) Matlock, personalization teacher at MSDHS, rm 1215 2:22:46 - states witness, Sofia Delia, student at MSDHS, rm 1215; went to bathroom, came back 2:28:50 - * *TW-graphic detail* * states witness, Ronit Reoven, AP Psychology, Honors Geography teacher at MSDHS, rm 1213 2:50:47 - states witness, Samantha Mayor, student at MSDHS, junior year, rm 1213; shot to knee, permanent injury 2:59:19 - states witness, Madeline Wilford, student at MSDHS, rm 1213; shot 4 times, arm and torso, multiple surgeries 3:03:54 - states witness, Logan Mitchell, student at MSDHS, rm 1213 lunch break 5:00:28 - defense says questions about attempted murder victims' long term injuries and surgeries shouldn't be asked, motion denied 5:10:50 - states witness, Stacey Lippel, English teacher at MSDHS, rm 1255; saw shooter, arm grazed 5:33:04 - judge asks jury to leave, the repeated objections are discussed, judge thinks it's unnecessary for defense to keep repeating, judge decides one continuing objection will suffice, defense states it limits access to record 5:53:31 - hearing continues 6:08:04 - * *TW-recorsing of terrorized children crying* * states witness, Veronica Steel, student at MSDHS, rm 1257 6:20:24 - states witness, Antony Borges, student at MSDHS, rm 1250 (?); saw shooter, got shot in the leg, torso, back, total of 5 shots, 14 surgeries 6:28:19 - states witness, Earnest Rispierski, Personalization teacher at MSDHS, rm 1249; face and hip grazed, saw shooter, stuck outside of room temporarily 7:24:14 - defense brings up something about a future testimony 7:39:54 - states witness, ____ Kabachenko and Russian translater Michael Lurye, student at MSDHS, Geography class, wounded 7:56:53 - states witness, Kyle Laman, student at MSDHS, rm 1249; saw shooter, shot in ankle/foot, escaped 8:15:10 - states witness, Tyler West, student at MSDHS, rm 1249 8:21:14 - states witness, Nicolette Miciotta, student at MSDHS, 900 building; saw shooter /
I want to hug all of them. Those teachers must have a terrible struggle within themselves, they must know how incredible they are and they did their best. 🥺
My heart, each time watching these victims & their parents watching them. The amount of strength is incredible, I am so proud of them. Knowing what must run through their minds when they are asked questions, I can’t even fathom. My heart goes out to each and every single person impacted.
These kids are so incredibly brave and smart, I’m glad that they are finishing their schooling. I hope they prosper well in life. God bless them and RIP to the victims who died.
I hope so too. I learned some of the columbine survivors turned to using drugs to cope with the trauma. It’s heartbreaking how much damage this act has caused,to the direct victims,their families and everyone else that had to experience the fear that day.
My heart aches for the AP psychology teacher. You can tell she was reliving every single horrific detail of that day as she was retelling exactly what happened. As a former teacher, I cannot imagine how helpless those teachers felt when they could not safely get to the students that needed their help or safely help them in the aftermath. I am sure that so many of the survivors from that day have survivors guilt that will haunt them the rest of their life
People who say the death penalty for Nikolas is the easy way out and they want him to suffer with life in prison let me tell you something. Life in prison becomes a lifestyle, you make friends, you watch tv, you get commissary and you adjust. Being sentenced to death is a very painful sentence you sit for 15 to 20 years. Your brain literally turns to mush from living in fear. When they finally come to serve your warrant and strap you to the table that’s all you mentally know how to do is fear. So for those of you saying death is the easy way out you are in denial. It’s the ultimate sentence and it’s suited for someone like Nikolas. Just to let you know this guy is not going to sit and think about his victims with a life sentence. Infact it will probably become a new way of life for him, he has no family or anything. Now he’ll get Tv, munchies, recreational time, communication, friendships and so on. So I suggest start being real about what he did to these families. I would suggest turning his brain to complete mush. He will understand the fear that day of his acts when he himself has to serve his warrant for his body.
Totally agree and ive never been one for the death penalty. Him being alive gives him a platform over his victims. His name is remembered and not theirs. More than anything he gets the notoriety and fame he wanted. He'll get interviews and books and documentaries made. Mad fans writing him and obsessing. He doesn't deserve a platform nor any comfort in the remainder of his days.
I agree w/ u ! & I say those poor high school kids !Didn"t get 2 live ! Over that horrible boy ! He has 2 get the death in jail! Why should he live in a jail 4 life ! HMM UGH!!!
You’re talking about death row. DR Block gets privileges. Lifers however don’t get perks. He likely commuted this act thinking it was likely game over for him so why give him what he wanted?
@@braveheart6665 Hmm?? We’d all love for you to explain why you’d say “hmm”, what sick thing you could possibly mean, & why it’s necessary when it’s unusually rude even for the biggest sickos. In fact, the implications of this bizarre comment is by far the most insane, rude, sick, & entirely uncalled for comment I have seen on all 5 days of trial, in which I’ve read hundreds upon hundreds of comments. I’m sure that’s your goal & you are nothing more than a pathetic troll. Im also pretty sure you won’t have the guts to explain yourself. 🤣
To anyone that knows someone testifying or knows someone impacted, my thoughts go out to you. I hope you and your families/friends find strength to help you get through this. Such a sad and tragic day, RIP to the victims.
same here, i wanted to say this as well but i honestly don’t think i have the words, my whole heart breaks for the families, students, teachers, community. it’s so sad and happens too often.
If you rewind and listen to Mr Rospierski's testimony again, your heart will shatter. If you look in his eyes, there is such immense pain that his voice tries to cover up. I pray for each and every student, parent, staff member, and life that this horrible tragedy impacted.
Mr. Rospierski is covering up his feelings with attempts at humor, as well as sarcastic replies. I find it very inappropriate, but I guess we all deal with tragedy in our own way.
@@lindawilkov6476 at first, I definitely gasped out of anger, but after rewatching and trying my best to put myself in his shoes I can see how maybe he was using those things to attempt to distance himself from very painful memories that he is probably exhausted from reliving.
To anyone reading this that was impacted by that man’s horrific actions on that day. I am so so sorry. No child should ever experience what they did on that day. Although it will never bring your loved one back or wipe the survivors memories, please take some comfort from the fact that justice is being served and that monster will never feel freedom again for the rest of his life. My thoughts and prayers are with you. God bless xxx
The teacher that told her kids to move away from the windows so quickly saved a lot of lives that day just by thinking clearly in a situation where instinct usually takes over. I hope these people find some sort of peace 💔
The strength of the parents in the courtroom is remarkable. I wouldn’t be able to keep my composure with the person who murdered my child only a few feet away. My heart breaks for them.
Can we please stop bashing the male teacher? I personally believe his behaviour is completely for someone who may be nervous, traumatised, tired of having to re-live the events, and makes nervous jokes/uses humour as a coping mechanism. The teachers are not to blame. They are human beings that were terrified and did their best to keep their children safe.
The victim testimonies just make this all so much more real. Even Cruz couldn't bear to hear the recording of what he did that day - probably because he selfishly regrets ruining his own life that day but I hope it haunts him every day for the rest of his life.
In case anyone is wondering who the parents are in the front row and shown often, it is teacher Scott Beigel’s mom and step-dad. His mom has been instrumental bringing to light many key issues about this shooting to congress. 👏🏻👏🏻
@@guccimain89 There are gun control laws. Cruz was reported to the FBI because he said he was going to be the next professional school shooter and NOTHING was done. They were obviously to busy playing political games about made up Russia BS to stop this kid. Criminals don't follow the laws... Gun control will never stop criminals from getting guns. We have gun control laws, red flag laws and they are NOT enforced like they should be.
@@cb-pc1df I’m well aware and I’m intimately familiar with federal gun control as well as most state gun control laws. I’m saying I AM NOT big on gun control laws. As in I have a negative opinion of them. If you read the comment, we are talking about the mother using her platform and spotlight to call for more. Im saying I strongly disagree. Over 95% of all mass shootings take place in gun free zones. Clearly gun control laws don’t work and more isn’t going to help.
@@guccimain89 Sorry I read your comment both ways. Wasn't sure which one you were actually siding with. After reading your comment again I figured you were not in favor of gun control (and gave you a 👍)but figured I'd leave it for other people to read. If I was wrong I knew you would correct me and it would be just a easy convo between two random ppl on YT that can have a civil convo (instead of screaming insults at each other) about how ridiculous it sounds to make more laws when the ones we have don't work and are barely used on criminals. They aren't even happy (Anti-2A Groups/people) when a citizen takes down an active shooter in a mall. Saying he's a criminal or not a good guy with a gun because the mall was supposedly a gun free zone.
When they played the audio of the young man screaming, it broke my heart. Anthony Borges was severely injured laying in the middle of the hallway by himself, screaming for help in an empty hallway along with the ones who passed. With all his might he was screaming" help! help! Help me please help me please please ". I saw his documentary in spanish and he explains how scary it was just laying there with all the doors in that hallway closed, he tried calling his parents but unfortunatly no one answered, he wanted to tell them goodbye because he was bleeding profoundly and he thought he was not going to make it. I've seen the videos of all the audio tapes they played and it's terrorfying.... and the one person who caused this nightmare to reality to those innocent kids can't even stand to hear his own work being played out loud. Shame on you.
@@tanylok36 Yes, one of the survivors compiled roughly 10-20+ video clips and audio from the shooting. I remember watching them a while ago, but I think they’ve been taken down
Ive already posted this message in response to some comments but to anyone who is finding the teacher with a shaved head and glasses off-putting, I beg you to keep in mind that the process of testifying is intense and stressful, not to mention reliving those events. The tendency to make jokes is a defense mechanism, he is likely subconsciously or not distancing himself. It is important also to note that this man is a hero, he tried to check on a dying student to see if she was alive, while risking putting himself in line of sight of the shooter, and when the shooter paused because of an issue with his gun, he ordered all the students with him in the alcove in the hallway to run, giving many of them the opportunity to escape, he then held the door to the stairwell with his foot momentary while the shooter tried to follow them, allowing the students further distance from the shooter. He’s undeniably a hero. So before you comment on it with a lack of understanding and empathy, think of the reality of the situation and how you may respond. Maybe you find it in appropriate, and that’s okay, its out of place in such a meaningful and sad situation and that may feel uncomfortable, but I remind you to live with empathy, and an understanding that you can never know what you would do in someone else’s shoes because everyone lives their own personal experience and no one else’s.
He is featured in the Amazon prime special about this. He really is amazing. I think he is keeping it lighthearted to not have to re-live this as much as possible. He’s definitely trying to keep some distance. Plus he knows thousands of people will be watching this so he’s obviously going to uncomfortable. I’m thankful for your comment.
Do you think the police at first thought that he was the shooter? Because of his comment about his shirt ( I think he said that they still have it and it was a dark red school shirt) and then the comment about guns being pointed at him.
Also, keep in mind that I’m sure all of the guilt he feels is not easy for him to sit in a courtroom filled with parents of the children who were in his class that passed away.
Agree. Not to mention, the student he couldn't save- jamie- her parents are sitting right in front of him. He never looks up. He's a hero no doubt and I am sure he has replayed this day so many times asking why he did or did not do something that may have saved her or others. I am sure the guilt has caused him many sleepless nights. He is a hero and amazing and many kids were saved this day because of him ❤️
6:27:58 I was initially so upset with how he was behaving during his testimony. He seemed very flippant and unconcerned. Then I watched his breathing and tried to match my breathing to when his chest rose and fell. I felt light headed and panicky. He was obviously very traumatized and near panic. I think that was just some strange defense mechanism coming out as he testified.
8:13:39 is insanely powerful. The witness looks back at Cruz, while Cruz looks up at him and it appears they lock eyes for a second before Cruz quickly looks back down. The witness then keeps walking but looks back again.
8:25:45 imagine making small talk with someone you’ve known since middle school and haven’t seen in a while just to later find out they just committed the biggest high school mass murder in history. This girl is so broken 😢
She was also friends with Meadow Pollack. I can't imagine how she felt later knowing the person she was talking to had just murdered one of her closest friends just minutes ago. She was also trying to find Meadow at the time and he showed no emotion during their talk.
@@Hailey-qx6ky That's a question only Meadow's friends and family will know. Pretty messed up if he did recognize her and still shot her 6 times with no mercy. If you look at his guilty plea he had a reaction every time her name was brought up.
he definitively recognized her which makes it hurt much more. I went to middle school and high school with both of them and vaguely remember sharing classes with both of them. not to mention she was considered one of the “popular” kids even when we went to west glades middle. she was such a kind person.
We need to acknowledge how nearly every teacher had delayed responses because they thought a drill was coming up. They need to seriously rethink how they plan drills because it was definitely a hindrance in this case.
Agreed, I thought that also.. however it seems that they did what they were ‘supposed to’ in the shooter scenario. Others didn’t hear the shots at first and responded to the fire alarm
This has my blood boiling! I love this Judge because she does not put up with any nonsense from the defense. I don’t know why they object to every video or photograph because we all know he did it and those are the consequences of his actions. I believe the jury needs to see each one of these videos/photos, not to get an emotionally charged verdict, but so the jury can make the best decision possible.
Personally I don’t think it’s just for appeal. I think it’s also a distraction tactic because that and appealing to the juries empathy is the only chance they have of winning with an overwhelming amount of evidence showing premeditated murder, with clear overkill proving some aggravated factors.
Is it that they are objecting. Or objecting to it being public so us at home cant here or see what's going on . Or are they objecting to every one including the jurey
Prayers for all of these brave people. Can’t imagine what it feels like to go through something like that, and the to have to re-live it. The people especially the young ones are inspiring.
I think the most horrifying thing for the parents in the gallery, is watching the people who were there and seeing the terror in their faces as they relive it and knowing their loved ones experienced that fear and pain. I'm praying for them all.
My heart goes out to all the kidd that went through this. I can't imagine the amount of anxiety and stress they gone through even having the courage to go up on the stand and relive that moment years later. Especially having to see their dead classmates all over again.
For someone who was so proud of what he did, that he announced it and was proud of the notoriety he would receive, he should be made to look at the witnesses, the photos, and the videos.
Y is it that during his interrogation when left alone he mocked his actions and relived him shooting and killing those kids and yet here he is not wanting to listen to what he did???
Prayers for the brave survivers testifying. Can see how it is still emotionally painful and difficult for them. Prayers for parents and families who have to see and hear what their young loved ones went through.
Miss Riovan. To hear that you remain ateacher shows your commitment to your school and profession. To know you did what you can for your students to keep them safe during this horrific time, god bless you. ❤
I'm so thankful that they are removing the victims from the courtroom, when they are showing videos of them getting shot, so they don't have see that again. 🥺
To all who endured this day, my heart breaks for you all. And the parents in the courtroom- I can’t even imagine your pain. How did any of these teachers and students return to that school? They are pillars of strength.
when we returned, we barely did schoolwork. We were met with tons of therapeutic services and support animals and it was really comforting. (In my classes at least) we would color and watch disney movies which was nice and relaxing.
@@Otterpup710 thanks for posting, I wondered. How many teachers left the following year. How did policies and procedures change? How many students left the school.
@@christakaratza9670 after it happened, school was closed for a little while and then we went back to finish our year. The 1200 building is just gated up. Schools been open since then.
@@Otterpup710 we’re you guys okay with that? I’m so sorry for everything you guys have gone through and are still going through ❤️you have a very strong community I don’t know if I’d be able to go back.
I caught that too. If I’m not mistaken, Kyle was the only victim that the shooter stalked…like once he started to run and it was just them in the hallway…very chilling
after watching his testimony it looks as if he was glancing at Cruz a lot, i hope he was. NC has barely looked any of these victims in the eye. i feel like it was good that he caught the glimpse of Layman
Goes to prove that the shooter knows exactly what he did , so much to pretending to be out of it & crazy !! He knows !,but I would love to see what he drawing or writing with his head down or pretending to draw but there will be many more angry kids that will able to by powerful rifles to get back at who they don’t like at school ,until you don’t change your guns laws how can a country allow its kids to suffer like this because of greed !! It’s disgusting 🇺🇸
I agree! I’m going crazy and I’m in the comfort of my own home so I definitely couldn’t imagine not giving him a piece of my mind. Words can’t describe their strength
Wow just wow I don’t understand how someone could do just a horrible massacre as such, then when hearing what trauma it’s caused everyone you sit there and doodle not even hearing a word these people are saying, that right there has death penalty written all over it.
With fingers in his ears so he can’t hear them crying out. He’s not being held responsible. He’s actually acting like a spoiled brat and his attorneys are allowing it.
I am sick of the defense attorney objecting EVERY TIME the prosecutor shows pics of these people’s injuries. Every time, the judge admits them. What could he possibly be saying, EACH TIME that is going to change anything? A waste of time!
This was very sad for what those kids and teachers had to go through I just can’t imagine it because thankfully when I was in school we never had to worry about shootings and the only drill we had was a fire drill. May all the 17 lives that were taken for no reason may all of the 14 students and 3 teachers Rest In Peace and Justice will be served in this case.
I couldn't imagine something like that happening to me while in school it's unimaginable. I'm so sorry for american children having to be afraid of something like that happening to them
I've watched so many trials now that I can't even begin to recount the number. This is the first trial I've watched that I've physically cried listening to the students and teachers tell their stories about what happened that day while the pos coward sits at the defense table with his head down drawing and reliving his crimes as they talk. This is a hard trial to watch but it's worth it knowing what's gonna happen to him
i can’t help but watch this and wonder “what if?” 🥺 what if luke and martin had walked back to class just a few minutes or even seconds earlier? what if gina hadn’t asked to sit outside her classroom to get her work done? what if everyone on the 3rd floor that got left behind in the hallway, had just ran straight to the west stairwell since the beginning? or what if they had known that the teacher lounge was open and gone in there and locked themselves? what if the police had gone in sooner and been able to save those like chris hixon and martin who were still barely alive? god this is still so heartbreaking even 4 years later 💔 rest easy angels 🕊🤍
my heart broke for mrs. schamis when they showed her the pictures of helena ramsey and nicholas dworet 🥺 she got so emotional 😢 also mrs. reoven did an amazing job of looking out for the injured as well as the student who was by her side guiding her. so brave of them 🥺🤍 i wish joaquin had followed kyle and tyler and ran like they did 🥺 i know he said he couldnt because of his knee, but if only his adrenaline had kicked in like kyle he could’ve sprinted down those stairs too and made it out alive. also heartbreaking to hear that both joaquin and meadow were in mrs. lippel’s class but somehow (im sure through the chaos) got stranded in the hallway far away from their class💔🥺
What they need to take away from this is- don't do unexpected drills! It's obvious it's doing more harm than good. I know response is different when people aren't in the flight or fight situation, but if the teachers KNEW this isn't a drill they could've gotten more kids to safety! It makes absolutely no sense at all. Hope they look into their procedure and weight in the risk and benefit. why not just settle on "if you hear gun shots, it's not a drill, take cover".
6:28:32 Something hits me wrong with this witness. He's extremely insensitive and flippant with his answers. The parents are clearly disgusted. Something just doesn't sit right with me about him. He used the word "fun" when asked to review footage of mass murder.
I think he just has a quirky personality…he’s definitely not a coward he held the door open for his class and held it shut so the shooter wouldn’t shoot at the kids running down the stairs..
@@lauraMol89 But hes like the oldest person that testified and a bunch of high school kids that were hit with bullets are somehow more calm and mature and collected than he is? It really doesnt add up. This teacher is weird af. Even from the very beginning he gets sworn in and judge says to sit down and hes like "YAYYYY" like a 7 year old being told he gets to go to the pool today.
Found his attitude very disconcerting. He witnessed the atrocities of Feb. 14, 2018 at MSD high school. He sees the families of the 17 deceased…has he no compassion for them or for the entire process. He’s angry but I feel it is misdirected and inappropriate considering the facts of this case.
This guy has killed , maimed and traumatised so many. Why go through all this. Hes pleaded guilty. Hes on video doing it. Just sentence him. No appeals should be happening. Talk about drag it out. That many killings should just incur the death penalty. Why should anyone be paying to keep this guy alive another day.
Y’all in the comments are crazy.And I hope you don’t behave like this to people in your day to day. Remember to be kind to people and generous towards others especially when they are people who’ve experienced tragedy.
That murderer deserves no kindness in this world. He deserves to be put into a cold concrete room & have the audio & video tapes of him killing his victims played 24/7 w out stopping
That teacher in the blue shirt should be ashamed of himself for making jokes on the stand when 17 students were killed. He should have been treated as a hostile witness. Totally unprofessional and sad he's making jokes during something so serious. Really dude? Have some respect.
That creature should be made to respect the Court and the people in it; it is absurd how his attorneys let him sit there with his head down . .. not having to man up and see what he has caused although it would probably give him some sort of thrill ...
That Ernie guy or whatever his name is testifying at 6:40:00 totally sucks. He is being completely disrespectful , nothing excuses this. You can deal with trauma differently of course, but he was super disrespectful and it’s obvious in everybody’s face that they are disgusted by his attitude. He’s that type of teacher that seems to have a power tripping god complex and didn’t seem to be passionate with students. Cocky attitude and a condescending look in his eye the whole time. It’s surprising they didn’t call him out on his ignorant demeanor. He was the the same way in the parkland documentary. But not this bad, I’m amazed how much worse he actually seems to be. But unfortunately this trial was a mess and disrespectful to the families all around so I’m not surprised. SMH
'Judge, the prosecution keeps showing how evil the defendant really is, I object' lol, just because it makes you look bad, does not mean you can object to everything all day.
He really does, I’m sure it’s also incredibly anxiety inducing to be in front of everyone, including your assailant/the murderer of your students and coworkers, and talk about the worst day of your life.
@@ticccylikeasniccy4651 exactly. You have to drudge it up all over again, knowing you may be barraged by hate once again. Brain engages defense mechanisms.
The witness who's acting strange could possibly be nervous? Being in that court room next to the murderer would make some people act out of character, or he's just eccentric.
ND person here. I’m not a doctor but he appears to have Tourette’s. Tics can be more unpredictable and sporadic under intense stress. This can cause atypical outbursts like when he was sworn in, neurodivergent speech patterns, and a demeanor that may not “fit” neuro typical expectations. I would imagine the situation alone is incredibly stressful, let alone if he’s actually neurodivergent. I’m hoping all of these people are able to heal after this tragedy.
@@madelainefordham7004 I wouldn't have gathered Tourette’s as much as aspergers... I'm on the spectrum, and have acted very similar to him in high stress/trauma situations. So much so that people thought I was being disrespectful. It's just how my brain operates.. I feel bad for the guy.
The way the gunman is plugging his ears pretending to be affected by the videos of his horrific acts, but then couldn’t stop staring at his victims scars..
If this man does not get the death penalty then there is something definitely wrong with the system and others will follow the actions of this murderer.
Do we know who the parents are? I'm assuming the couple by the man in the blue suit were a family of someone who passed in 1216? But the blue suit man shakes his head so much I'm so interested to know who the parents are. It's nice to see them supporting each other but heartbreaking to watch them cry and relive their kids last moments or scariest moments.
Blue suit is Max Schachter, father of Alex Schachter. Behind him, blonde lady with glasses and man with glasses are Jamie Guttenberg’s parents. The lady with blonde hair and bald man with glasses infront of Mr Schachter and to the left are Nicholas Dworet and Alexander Dworet’s parents. Lady at the very front is Scott Beigel’s mum. Joaquín Oliver’s sister is also in the court, towards the left with dark hair.
Anyone notice he's doing a lot of writing or drawing?? It looks like they put the books in front so the camera can't see? Is he asking his lawyer questions?
Definitely post traumatic stress. Definitely trying to be as accurate as possible. He’s probably a great teacher and a nice guy outside of the courtroom. His attempt to keep his composure is likely bringing out the nervous tick of telling bad jokes. When I had my gallbladder removed in 2001, it was my first real surgery. My husband has a great sense of humor. He always has and he made a 50 year radio career out of it. But that day, he was really nervous. When I came out of recovery and was wheeled into a room, he had flowers and a card he wrote that was a funny poem. It made me laugh and it hurt bad! My mother was also there. He was so nervous, he was making her laugh which lifted her spirits. But it made me laugh and it hurt so bad. I was literally laughing and crying at the same time. He wasn’t doing it deliberately. I don’t think this guy is doing this deliberately. The prosecutor knows everybody reacts differently on the stand. The parents may look surprised because he’s probably not usually like that.
People bury unresolved trauma until a time& place triggers their pain. They don't know how they'll respond until they do. This man is kind, cares for teenagers (a calling) & maybe even spectrumy. 🤷🏻♀️
Did the prosecution ask Anthony 6:26:09 ahead of time to show his wounds because he really came prepared with nothing but a light jacket on to court? Notice how it's the only time Cruz looks up & pays attention is when he's showing his wounds? Guess he's reliving his crime. That teacher at 6:27:00 is just annoying. He seems like he just doesn't care.
The shooter is 100% responsible but if he didn't have access to these types of weapons he couldn't have created so much carnage. Other countries don't have school shootings. In Europe we don't send our kids to school afraid they might not come home. It's absolutely abhorrent. My heart breaks for these and all the families and I hope changes are made. Rights to bear arms is not worth this 😪
If you are European citizen, you have no right to comment on our Constitution. Evil will always exist, therefore the ability and chance to protect ourselves and those around us will always exist. Your dumbfounded opinion is garbage.
This judge is over the defense team already. This judge needs to try to hold back the eye rolls and the huffing. Otherwise she is potentially putting whatever the jury's decision on the line for an appeal in the future. Trust me, I can't stand what the defendant did and should be punished. But he does have the right to a fair and balanced trial. The parents and every other victim will be very upset if they come back with a death penalty verdict and then he wins an appeal because of the judges actions. Judges can be tough but fair and its their job to hold back their emotions.
Thank you for making a distasteful and a absolutely HORRIFYING event, that unfortunately is required to be relived,easier on the family’s and victims . By decorum of the court and letting the public to see these proceedings
when they are showing photographs to the witnesses e.g ‘ please identify victim X’ are they shown a photo of their dead body or is it a normal photo of themselves? 😢
What do you mean there was a lack of evidence of pre-planning? He texted or called some of his friends and told them not to go to school that day because something big was going to happen. He videotaped himself talking about what he was going to do. If that is not proof of planning I don't know what is
The teacher who came across as inappropriate ( Rospierski) on the stand definitely doesn't reflect what he did on the day. I was also cringing and it felt like a punch everytime he spoke and made joke, BUT prosecutor should've prepared him for this and guided questions differently! Also, the guy literally SAVED kids that ran down the stairwell. there's CCTV stills easily accessible showing him holding the door whilst Cruz is visible on the other side!!! Let's not forget he is also a victim and his testimony didn't come across well. He did so much more than make jokes and leave his keys in the bag!!!
my sister teaches there as well and they are friends. she said he’s had to tell this story so many times and he’s basically tired of telling it because its traumatic
@@belfiore_18 Everyone deals with trauma differently. Him using humor to cope isn't offensive. It's not at all uncommon. I do it as well. I have to ease my mind with humor when recounting traumatic events or I just fully dissociate. Your judgment is the only thing that's uncalled for here.
The pain theese people Carry must be so heavy I cannot imagine how hard it must be for them to simply sit up in their seats nevermind listening to the description of the murder of their children/family members. I cannot imagine. I would just have no words and if I had to sit on that stand I would just break. I completely understand why but I do can't imagine the strength it must take not to launch yourself at him. I don't know that I could be in the same room as the person who took my child from the earth. Theese are incredibly strong people. I hope they know the circle of love for them(and others effected by this kind of violence) from the world. God bless theese families. Xx
I assume the Russian young man who had only been in the USA for 2 weeks was a foreign exchange student. I wonder if he stayed his full term. I can't imagine not fully understanding English and so much devastation. Does anyone know more about him?
I guess you didn't pay closer attention to his testimony. He testified being ENROLLED at Stoneman Douglas for 2 weeks before the shooting. And nowadays he's at Broward College (in Florida as well). And since he went home to his parents after the shooting and came back to school to be taken to hospital, I doubt he was an exchange student. He's just a Russian living in US with his family
Alex Schachter's father just shakes his head in disbelief to every teacher specially the teacher Rospierski testifying with a mocking tone like he´s high on something... I wonder how many parents blame the 3rth floor teachers... personally I think the only one to blame is the shooter but this teacher is not helping his case with that tone. Jamie's father mouths something to him when he exits, btw he was the only witness with security protecting him from the parent section, did you all notice that? I wonder why they are so mad at him, he was praised as a hero for getting the kids in the hallway down the stairs....
The parent at the end of the seating? I believe that Is alex schacters dad, for the teacher I think that's his way of coping with the situation as he is hailed a hero for saving many children
@@TheMiddleFan Yes thank you! I updated my comment, I thought the same, that the teacher was just nervous or a little awkaward like a kid, but the parents reaction to him was strong...specially Jamie's, they were very agressive towards the teacher...Alex's dad seemed ready to stand up and spit on him. I wonder why because you are right he was hailed a hero...
Folks in the chat were angry with the male teachers testimony. As someone who has experienced trauma…let me just say, humor as a coping mechanism is a very real thing. If we don’t joke constantly, sometimes even dark humor about ourselves and the trauma, we would probably off ourselves. It’s a reaction, a defense mechanism. Some people shove it down and repress it, others broadcast it, laugh it off, and act like it was no big deal. You can’t help how you respond to trauma. Your brain does what it needs to protect itself.
Yes I immediately recognized that as I tend to do the same. I've been through so much trauma throughout my life that even one of my therapists made a comment about people 'handing in the towel for less'. Dark humor and jokes at 'inappropriate' times has become a part of my personality now, I wouldn't be able to handle life without it.
19:48 - Sound starts
25:40 - Witness Ashley Baez
31:52 - 33:17 Objection (no audio)
35:56 - 54:23 Objection (no audio)
1:00:50 - Witness Genesis Valentin
1:05:45 - 1:07:33 Objection (no audio)
1:09:44 - Witness Ivy Schamis
1:26:10 - 1:53:35 Court is on break
1:57:18 - Witness Julieta Matlock
2:11:22 - 2:17:30 Objection (no audio)
2:22:21 - Witness Sophia Delia
2:28:28 - Witness Ronit Reoven
2:43:43 - 2:45:12 Objection (no audio)
2:50:23 - Witness Samantha Mayor
2:58:57 - Witness Madeleine Wilford
3:03:33 - Witness Logan Mitchell
3:07:43 - 3:11:33 Objection (no audio)
3:15:27 - 5:00:24 Court is on break
5:10:31 - Witness Stacy Lippel
5:24:06 - 5:25:27 Objection (no audio)
5:28:19 - 5:33:04 Objection (no audio)
5:33:04 - 5:44:41 Same objection (with audio)
6:07:39 - Witness Veronica Steel
6:20:03 - Witness Anthony Borges
6:27:58 - Witness Ernest Adam Rospierski
7:05:07 - 7:24:13 Court is on break
7:39:28 - Witness Kabachenko
7:56:34 - Witness Kyle Laman
8:07:46 - 8:11:35 Objection (no audio)
8:14:46 - Witness Tyler West
8:20:53 - Witness Nicolette Miciotta
thank you
You're the real MVP.
Thank you!
thank you so much
Thank you. Very helpful.
Kyle Laman, you will be an incredible EMT. Not just because you have survived this experience and will be able to empathize with your patients, but also because you are a bright young man who thinks quick on his feet. Much success to you in your career and thank you for the service you are willing to give to your community. Be well!
A mentor for others to look to an example of over coming tragedy to your fullest potential ; ty
Can't even imagine the crazy amount of stress that each witness had to endure during these testimonies. The big kid that had six ankle surgeries really got to me as he was shaking like a leaf. The bravery by everybody, God bless them all
And God bless the Jury. I hope they can recover from what they have seen. Not as bad as those that lived it but still bad enough.
@@demtron I hope they report the horrors of the injuries caused by an AR. Nothing will change until they are laid bare. So sickening.
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God??? Right. 🙄
@@barbdixon7785 no
@@abelis644 Yes,God.Correct.
seeing three of my favorite teachers testify hurts my chest so hard. I will never forget that day
Sending virtual hugs. No one should ever have to go through this.
@@KoloheSF thank you so much for ur kind words and support 💜💜
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I will pray for you
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That kid in classroom 213, Logan Mitchel, am in awe of that kid, a real HERO. I saw him on the video, he was always level headed, the only kid worried about the injured, he immediately got up with the teacher and assisted the injured kids, even passing a girl who was on the safe spot her phone she left oh her desk, that kid was the one keeping that teacher focused. If he is reading this, you are amazing kid! What a way to react and to help others in the middle of an emergency! WELL DONE!
Saw the same video; you can tell this kid is a real hero.
Please how can I see the video?
How did you see the video?
It's amazing and especially in a situation like that. Perhaps he should work as an ER dr.
Yeah what video 💀
26:03 - states witness, Ashley Baez, student at MSDHS, 10th gr (?); started in the band room, went to the bathroom in building where shooting happened; saw shooter, went to a classroom; injuries in legs, multiple surgeries
1:01:11 - states witness, Genesis (?) Valentine, student at MSDHS, rm 1216; shrapnel in legs
1:10:06 - states witness, Ivey Schamis, Social Studies teacher at MSDHS, rm 1214
morning break
1:57:38 - states witness, Geleta (?) Matlock, personalization teacher at MSDHS, rm 1215
2:22:46 - states witness, Sofia Delia, student at MSDHS, rm 1215; went to bathroom, came back
2:28:50 - * *TW-graphic detail* * states witness, Ronit Reoven, AP Psychology, Honors Geography teacher at MSDHS, rm 1213
2:50:47 - states witness, Samantha Mayor, student at MSDHS, junior year, rm 1213; shot to knee, permanent injury
2:59:19 - states witness, Madeline Wilford, student at MSDHS, rm 1213; shot 4 times, arm and torso, multiple surgeries
3:03:54 - states witness, Logan Mitchell, student at MSDHS, rm 1213
lunch break
5:00:28 - defense says questions about attempted murder victims' long term injuries and surgeries shouldn't be asked, motion denied
5:10:50 - states witness, Stacey Lippel, English teacher at MSDHS, rm 1255; saw shooter, arm grazed
5:33:04 - judge asks jury to leave, the repeated objections are discussed, judge thinks it's unnecessary for defense to keep repeating, judge decides one continuing objection will suffice, defense states it limits access to record
5:53:31 - hearing continues
6:08:04 - * *TW-recorsing of terrorized children crying* * states witness, Veronica Steel, student at MSDHS, rm 1257
6:20:24 - states witness, Antony Borges, student at MSDHS, rm 1250 (?); saw shooter, got shot in the leg, torso, back, total of 5 shots, 14 surgeries
6:28:19 - states witness, Earnest Rispierski, Personalization teacher at MSDHS, rm 1249; face and hip grazed, saw shooter, stuck outside of room temporarily
7:24:14 - defense brings up something about a future testimony
7:39:54 - states witness, ____ Kabachenko and Russian translater Michael Lurye, student at MSDHS, Geography class, wounded
7:56:53 - states witness, Kyle Laman, student at MSDHS, rm 1249; saw shooter, shot in ankle/foot, escaped
8:15:10 - states witness, Tyler West, student at MSDHS, rm 1249
8:21:14 - states witness, Nicolette Miciotta, student at MSDHS, 900 building; saw shooter
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wow saw this at the right time, thank you so much, this makes it so much easier to understand as i watch! appreciate you
Gracias
I don't know what I'd do without you 🙌🏽
Thank You!!
when ivy schamis referred to helena as “my girl” and nicholas as “handsome boy” 🥺
This break my heart.
That hurt my heart terribly.
This broke me.
I want to hug all of them. Those teachers must have a terrible struggle within themselves, they must know how incredible they are and they did their best. 🥺
My heart, each time watching these victims & their parents watching them. The amount of strength is incredible, I am so proud of them. Knowing what must run through their minds when they are asked questions, I can’t even fathom. My heart goes out to each and every single person impacted.
Lovely
These kids are so incredibly brave and smart, I’m glad that they are finishing their schooling. I hope they prosper well in life. God bless them and RIP to the victims who died.
I hope so too. I learned some of the columbine survivors turned to using drugs to cope with the trauma. It’s heartbreaking how much damage this act has caused,to the direct victims,their families and everyone else that had to experience the fear that day.
seeing two people that i know from my childhood, testify, hurts my heart. i hope all of the victims get the justice they deserve.
Love you
🌹bless you
I'm truly sorry that you and your friends are going to this I will pray for you tonight God bless
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Oh my. Thoughts are with you and your friends. ❤️🩹
My heart aches for the AP psychology teacher. You can tell she was reliving every single horrific detail of that day as she was retelling exactly what happened. As a former teacher, I cannot imagine how helpless those teachers felt when they could not safely get to the students that needed their help or safely help them in the aftermath. I am sure that so many of the survivors from that day have survivors guilt that will haunt them the rest of their life
Nah she was a busy body
@@twistedgamer9167 let me guess, you’re a future school shooter or a fan of that POS 🤬
What’s her name
She is amazing and kind.
@@SamanthaSweets Ronit Reoven
People who say the death penalty for Nikolas is the easy way out and they want him to suffer with life in prison let me tell you something. Life in prison becomes a lifestyle, you make friends, you watch tv, you get commissary and you adjust. Being sentenced to death is a very painful sentence you sit for 15 to 20 years. Your brain literally turns to mush from living in fear. When they finally come to serve your warrant and strap you to the table that’s all you mentally know how to do is fear. So for those of you saying death is the easy way out you are in denial. It’s the ultimate sentence and it’s suited for someone like Nikolas. Just to let you know this guy is not going to sit and think about his victims with a life sentence. Infact it will probably become a new way of life for him, he has no family or anything. Now he’ll get Tv, munchies, recreational time, communication, friendships and so on. So I suggest start being real about what he did to these families. I would suggest turning his brain to complete mush. He will understand the fear that day of his acts when he himself has to serve his warrant for his body.
Totally agree and ive never been one for the death penalty.
Him being alive gives him a platform over his victims. His name is remembered and not theirs. More than anything he gets the notoriety and fame he wanted. He'll get interviews and books and documentaries made. Mad fans writing him and obsessing. He doesn't deserve a platform nor any comfort in the remainder of his days.
I’d say they should put him down day after trial over he’s already in fear
I agree w/ u ! & I say those poor high school kids !Didn"t get 2 live ! Over that horrible boy ! He has 2 get the death in jail! Why should he live in a jail 4 life ! HMM UGH!!!
You’re talking about death row. DR Block gets privileges. Lifers however don’t get perks. He likely commuted this act thinking it was likely game over for him so why give him what he wanted?
thank you for saying this because its true LIFE ON DEATH ROW IS NO JOKE!!
This is truly heartbreaking to hear all of these survivors relive and testify. My heart goes out to them and the families who lost their loved ones. 💜
hmmm
Absolutely horrifying & horrific!
@@braveheart6665 Hmm?? We’d all love for you to explain why you’d say “hmm”, what sick thing you could possibly mean, & why it’s necessary when it’s unusually rude even for the biggest sickos. In fact, the implications of this bizarre comment is by far the most insane, rude, sick, & entirely uncalled for comment I have seen on all 5 days of trial, in which I’ve read hundreds upon hundreds of comments. I’m sure that’s your goal & you are nothing more than a pathetic troll. Im also pretty sure you won’t have the guts to explain yourself. 🤣
To anyone that knows someone testifying or knows someone impacted, my thoughts go out to you. I hope you and your families/friends find strength to help you get through this. Such a sad and tragic day, RIP to the victims.
same here, i wanted to say this as well but i honestly don’t think i have the words, my whole heart breaks for the families, students, teachers, community. it’s so sad and happens too often.
ya i'm sure they are wading through youtube comments looking for sympathy!
@@DrunkenGuitarGuy noone asked you bluecollar r3tard
@@DrunkenGuitarGuy I'm sure they are not, but they would definitely appreciate it if they saw some of the kind messages people are putting out there.
@@DrunkenGuitarGuy
The fact is, that some might be, and you never know... no reason to be rude!
If you rewind and listen to Mr Rospierski's testimony again, your heart will shatter. If you look in his eyes, there is such immense pain that his voice tries to cover up. I pray for each and every student, parent, staff member, and life that this horrible tragedy impacted.
what part
@@princessglittersparkles846 6:27:58
Mr. Rospierski is covering up his feelings with attempts at humor, as well as sarcastic replies. I find it very inappropriate, but I guess we all deal with tragedy in our own way.
@@lindawilkov6476 at first, I definitely gasped out of anger, but after rewatching and trying my best to put myself in his shoes I can see how maybe he was using those things to attempt to distance himself from very painful memories that he is probably exhausted from reliving.
@@lindawilkov6476 wildly innapropriate
To anyone reading this that was impacted by that man’s horrific actions on that day. I am so so sorry. No child should ever experience what they did on that day. Although it will never bring your loved one back or wipe the survivors memories, please take some comfort from the fact that justice is being served and that monster will never feel freedom again for the rest of his life. My thoughts and prayers are with you. God bless xxx
The teacher that told her kids to move away from the windows so quickly saved a lot of lives that day just by thinking clearly in a situation where instinct usually takes over. I hope these people find some sort of peace 💔
The strength of the parents in the courtroom is remarkable. I wouldn’t be able to keep my composure with the person who murdered my child only a few feet away. My heart breaks for them.
Outbreaks by parents leads to mistrials... Meaning he gets off without the death penalty.
Lovely comment,where are you connecting from my dearest friend
@Lawrence Jackson nowhere she wants you to know about
Add me up in WhatsApp
@@slaws2279 really?
Defense: Your honor we object.
Your honor: shut up.
For real
Jamies Mom and dad look like they just haven't stopped crying since the day this happened 😢 This all breaks my heart so much 💔
Can we please stop bashing the male teacher? I personally believe his behaviour is completely for someone who may be nervous, traumatised, tired of having to re-live the events, and makes nervous jokes/uses humour as a coping mechanism. The teachers are not to blame. They are human beings that were terrified and did their best to keep their children safe.
I agree
He also forgot his keys so he and his kids couldn’t get back in the room. He has deep trauma, and most certainly, guilt.
PTSD
Yeah and it does come across as odd but I then thought of how I deal with stress and uncomfortable situations with humor
@@katemiller3796 we also don’t know how we would react to a situation like this unless we were personally there
The victim testimonies just make this all so much more real. Even Cruz couldn't bear to hear the recording of what he did that day - probably because he selfishly regrets ruining his own life that day but I hope it haunts him every day for the rest of his life.
In case anyone is wondering who the parents are in the front row and shown often, it is teacher Scott Beigel’s mom and step-dad. His mom has been instrumental bringing to light many key issues about this shooting to congress. 👏🏻👏🏻
I have wondered that often. So thanks for sharing that info.
what are they wearing?
@@guccimain89 There are gun control laws. Cruz was reported to the FBI because he said he was going to be the next professional school shooter and NOTHING was done. They were obviously to busy playing political games about made up Russia BS to stop this kid. Criminals don't follow the laws... Gun control will never stop criminals from getting guns. We have gun control laws, red flag laws and they are NOT enforced like they should be.
@@cb-pc1df I’m well aware and I’m intimately familiar with federal gun control as well as most state gun control laws. I’m saying I AM NOT big on gun control laws. As in I have a negative opinion of them. If you read the comment, we are talking about the mother using her platform and spotlight to call for more. Im saying I strongly disagree. Over 95% of all mass shootings take place in gun free zones. Clearly gun control laws don’t work and more isn’t going to help.
@@guccimain89 Sorry I read your comment both ways. Wasn't sure which one you were actually siding with. After reading your comment again I figured you were not in favor of gun control (and gave you a 👍)but figured I'd leave it for other people to read. If I was wrong I knew you would correct me and it would be just a easy convo between two random ppl on YT that can have a civil convo (instead of screaming insults at each other) about how ridiculous it sounds to make more laws when the ones we have don't work and are barely used on criminals.
They aren't even happy (Anti-2A Groups/people) when a citizen takes down an active shooter in a mall. Saying he's a criminal or not a good guy with a gun because the mall was supposedly a gun free zone.
When they played the audio of the young man screaming, it broke my heart. Anthony Borges was severely injured laying in the middle of the hallway by himself, screaming for help in an empty hallway along with the ones who passed. With all his might he was screaming" help! help! Help me please help me please please ". I saw his documentary in spanish and he explains how scary it was just laying there with all the doors in that hallway closed, he tried calling his parents but unfortunatly no one answered, he wanted to tell them goodbye because he was bleeding profoundly and he thought he was not going to make it. I've seen the videos of all the audio tapes they played and it's terrorfying.... and the one person who caused this nightmare to reality to those innocent kids can't even stand to hear his own work being played out loud. Shame on you.
Where did you see videos and audio?
I hope the ugly little weasel hears those screams and cries for whatever remains of his miserable life.
They were posted on Reddit a year back.
@@tanylok36 Yes, one of the survivors compiled roughly 10-20+ video clips and audio from the shooting. I remember watching them a while ago, but I think they’ve been taken down
Ive already posted this message in response to some comments but to anyone who is finding the teacher with a shaved head and glasses off-putting, I beg you to keep in mind that the process of testifying is intense and stressful, not to mention reliving those events. The tendency to make jokes is a defense mechanism, he is likely subconsciously or not distancing himself. It is important also to note that this man is a hero, he tried to check on a dying student to see if she was alive, while risking putting himself in line of sight of the shooter, and when the shooter paused because of an issue with his gun, he ordered all the students with him in the alcove in the hallway to run, giving many of them the opportunity to escape, he then held the door to the stairwell with his foot momentary while the shooter tried to follow them, allowing the students further distance from the shooter. He’s undeniably a hero. So before you comment on it with a lack of understanding and empathy, think of the reality of the situation and how you may respond. Maybe you find it in appropriate, and that’s okay, its out of place in such a meaningful and sad situation and that may feel uncomfortable, but I remind you to live with empathy, and an understanding that you can never know what you would do in someone else’s shoes because everyone lives their own personal experience and no one else’s.
He is featured in the Amazon prime special about this. He really is amazing. I think he is keeping it lighthearted to not have to re-live this as much as possible. He’s definitely trying to keep some distance. Plus he knows thousands of people will be watching this so he’s obviously going to uncomfortable. I’m thankful for your comment.
Do you think the police at first thought that he was the shooter? Because of his comment about his shirt ( I think he said that they still have it and it was a dark red school shirt) and then the comment about guns being pointed at him.
Also, keep in mind that I’m sure all of the guilt he feels is not easy for him to sit in a courtroom filled with parents of the children who were in his class that passed away.
@@jjd0ll I agree and I sympathise with him however the sarcasm really isn’t appropriate.
Agree. Not to mention, the student he couldn't save- jamie- her parents are sitting right in front of him. He never looks up. He's a hero no doubt and I am sure he has replayed this day so many times asking why he did or did not do something that may have saved her or others. I am sure the guilt has caused him many sleepless nights. He is a hero and amazing and many kids were saved this day because of him ❤️
6:27:58 I was initially so upset with how he was behaving during his testimony. He seemed very flippant and unconcerned. Then I watched his breathing and tried to match my breathing to when his chest rose and fell. I felt light headed and panicky. He was obviously very traumatized and near panic. I think that was just some strange defense mechanism coming out as he testified.
8:13:39 is insanely powerful. The witness looks back at Cruz, while Cruz looks up at him and it appears they lock eyes for a second before Cruz quickly looks back down. The witness then keeps walking but looks back again.
Yes, saw that too! Strong man to be able to look at his attempted murderer in the face.
8:25:45 imagine making small talk with someone you’ve known since middle school and haven’t seen in a while just to later find out they just committed the biggest high school mass murder in history. This girl is so broken 😢
She was also friends with Meadow Pollack. I can't imagine how she felt later knowing the person she was talking to had just murdered one of her closest friends just minutes ago. She was also trying to find Meadow at the time and he showed no emotion during their talk.
Her testimony was heartbreaking.
@@Hailey-qx6ky That's a question only Meadow's friends and family will know. Pretty messed up if he did recognize her and still shot her 6 times with no mercy. If you look at his guilty plea he had a reaction every time her name was brought up.
he definitively recognized her which makes it hurt much more. I went to middle school and high school with both of them and vaguely remember sharing classes with both of them. not to mention she was considered one of the “popular” kids even when we went to west glades middle. she was such a kind person.
@@mianeilson4937 you shared classes with him as well? Was he just a lost soul? I can’t wrap my head around this.
It infuriates me to see Cruz plug his ears. They should make him listen & look at this victims!
exactly...sit up straight and look at these witnesses.
Exactly 💯
There's no law saying he has to. He isn't causing any problems. If he doesn't want to listen, whatever, it doesn't affect anything.
The parents and audience are appalled as well. I can imagine the impact it’s having on the jury…
@@ashleyr.6953 oh yeah. Exactly the moment I was commenting about. She looked as though she wasn’t surprised at all. I’m not either.
We need to acknowledge how nearly every teacher had delayed responses because they thought a drill was coming up. They need to seriously rethink how they plan drills because it was definitely a hindrance in this case.
To be fair I could see people going into shock in this type of scenario - but yes so many things need to change.
Agreed, I thought that also.. however it seems that they did what they were ‘supposed to’ in the shooter scenario. Others didn’t hear the shots at first and responded to the fire alarm
Even his own attorneys have tears coming down their eyes what a shame😐
Kyle Layman’s testimony was the hardest for me to get through today. I think he was the only one who you could see that was visibly shaking.
It was heartbreaking listening to him..
i know him from elementary school, he used to be friends with my brother :(
@@kendallbriggs1 I am sorry, the ripple effect this shooting has created is horrific.
@@deannajack6755 thank you
6:25:53 the way he was so happy to look up and stare at what he’s did when the boy showed where he was shot.. he did not look away once.
This has my blood boiling! I love this Judge because she does not put up with any nonsense from the defense. I don’t know why they object to every video or photograph because we all know he did it and those are the consequences of his actions. I believe the jury needs to see each one of these videos/photos, not to get an emotionally charged verdict, but so the jury can make the best decision possible.
They have to or he can appeal
Personally I don’t think it’s just for appeal. I think it’s also a distraction tactic because that and appealing to the juries empathy is the only chance they have of winning with an overwhelming amount of evidence showing premeditated murder, with clear overkill proving some aggravated factors.
They are obligated to object to some because otherwise, he can claim ineffective counsel and again drag it out 5 years
Is it that they are objecting.
Or objecting to it being public so us at home cant here or see what's going on .
Or are they objecting to every one including the jurey
Not only she’s good but also young and beautiful
Prayers for all of these brave people. Can’t imagine what it feels like to go through something like that, and the to have to re-live it. The people especially the young ones are inspiring.
8:04:57 that poor kid i felt so bad to see how bad he was shaking can’t imagine the trauma he probably got
I think the most horrifying thing for the parents in the gallery, is watching the people who were there and seeing the terror in their faces as they relive it and knowing their loved ones experienced that fear and pain. I'm praying for them all.
You can tell the teacher was trying her best not to chastise the poor police work during the shooting. She's a brave woman.
Watching these parents and listening to these witnesses is just heartbreaking 😢
My heart goes out to all the kidd that went through this. I can't imagine the amount of anxiety and stress they gone through even having the courage to go up on the stand and relive that moment years later. Especially having to see their dead classmates all over again.
Lovely comment,where are you connecting from my dearest friend
For someone who was so proud of what he did, that he announced it and was proud of the notoriety he would receive, he should be made to look at the witnesses, the photos, and the videos.
And listen!!
Even his defense team have tears after the teacher’s testimony in her holocaust class.
Y is it that during his interrogation when left alone he mocked his actions and relived him shooting and killing those kids and yet here he is not wanting to listen to what he did???
Sending all these amazing survivors and families of loved ones who passed peace and comfort.
Prayers for the brave survivers testifying. Can see how it is still emotionally painful and difficult for them. Prayers for parents and families who have to see and hear what their young loved ones went through.
Miss Riovan. To hear that you remain ateacher shows your commitment to your school and profession. To know you did what you can for your students to keep them safe during this horrific time, god bless you. ❤
I'm so thankful that they are removing the victims from the courtroom, when they are showing videos of them getting shot, so they don't have see that again.
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Lovely comment,where are you connecting from my dearest friend
To all who endured this day, my heart breaks for you all. And the parents in the courtroom- I can’t even imagine your pain. How did any of these teachers and students return to that school? They are pillars of strength.
when we returned, we barely did schoolwork. We were met with tons of therapeutic services and support animals and it was really comforting. (In my classes at least) we would color and watch disney movies which was nice and relaxing.
@@Otterpup710 thanks for posting, I wondered. How many teachers left the following year. How did policies and procedures change? How many students left the school.
@@Otterpup710 did they keep you guys on msd campus even though the building was still a crime scene?
@@christakaratza9670 after it happened, school was closed for a little while and then we went back to finish our year. The 1200 building is just gated up. Schools been open since then.
@@Otterpup710 we’re you guys okay with that? I’m so sorry for everything you guys have gone through and are still going through ❤️you have a very strong community I don’t know if I’d be able to go back.
8:13:38 How weird and chilling that they both looked at each other at the same time
I caught that too. If I’m not mistaken, Kyle was the only victim that the shooter stalked…like once he started to run and it was just them in the hallway…very chilling
Oh my goodness that IS chilling 🥺
after watching his testimony it looks as if he was glancing at Cruz a lot, i hope he was. NC has barely looked any of these victims in the eye. i feel like it was good that he caught the glimpse of Layman
Goes to prove that the shooter knows exactly what he did , so much to pretending to be out of it & crazy !! He knows !,but I would love to see what he drawing or writing with his head down or pretending to draw but there will be many more angry kids that will able to by powerful rifles to get back at who they don’t like at school ,until you don’t change your guns laws how can a country allow its kids to suffer like this because of greed !! It’s disgusting 🇺🇸
I’m glad this monster has to sit through all of this.
I love how the prosecutor just stands and looks directly at cruz during audio and video evidence.
I believe that man would happily push the plunger himself if he could.
These parents have a super hero strength to sit through this. I don't think I could be in there without attacking him if it was my child
I agree! I’m going crazy and I’m in the comfort of my own home so I definitely couldn’t imagine not giving him a piece of my mind. Words can’t describe their strength
Wow just wow I don’t understand how someone could do just a horrible massacre as such, then when hearing what trauma it’s caused everyone you sit there and doodle not even hearing a word these people are saying, that right there has death penalty written all over it.
With fingers in his ears so he can’t hear them crying out. He’s not being held responsible. He’s actually acting like a spoiled brat and his attorneys are allowing it.
I am sick of the defense attorney objecting EVERY TIME the prosecutor shows pics of these people’s injuries. Every time, the judge admits them. What could he possibly be saying, EACH TIME that is going to change anything? A waste of time!
I love how the witness that was shot in the legs, is STARING into the soul of the "defendant"
Why is Ernest Rospierski being very sarcastic in his replies to the questions??
@@BarelyRegalSpoods I don’t think it’s sarcasm. I think his flippant demeanor is a defense mechanism to protect himself from the trauma.
This was very sad for what those kids and teachers had to go through I just can’t imagine it because thankfully when I was in school we never had to worry about shootings and the only drill we had was a fire drill. May all the 17 lives that were taken for no reason may all of the 14 students and 3 teachers Rest In Peace and Justice will be served in this case.
The fact they had no bathrooms available for these kids is crazy i mean no bathrooms were open
The second floor bathrooms were available.
I couldn't imagine something like that happening to me while in school it's unimaginable. I'm so sorry for american children having to be afraid of something like that happening to them
what do you want ? death penalty or life?
Lovely comment,where are you connecting from my dearest friend
I've watched so many trials now that I can't even begin to recount the number. This is the first trial I've watched that I've physically cried listening to the students and teachers tell their stories about what happened that day while the pos coward sits at the defense table with his head down drawing and reliving his crimes as they talk. This is a hard trial to watch but it's worth it knowing what's gonna happen to him
i can’t help but watch this and wonder “what if?” 🥺 what if luke and martin had walked back to class just a few minutes or even seconds earlier? what if gina hadn’t asked to sit outside her classroom to get her work done? what if everyone on the 3rd floor that got left behind in the hallway, had just ran straight to the west stairwell since the beginning? or what if they had known that the teacher lounge was open and gone in there and locked themselves? what if the police had gone in sooner and been able to save those like chris hixon and martin who were still barely alive? god this is still so heartbreaking even 4 years later 💔 rest easy angels 🕊🤍
my heart broke for mrs. schamis when they showed her the pictures of helena ramsey and nicholas dworet 🥺 she got so emotional 😢 also mrs. reoven did an amazing job of looking out for the injured as well as the student who was by her side guiding her. so brave of them 🥺🤍 i wish joaquin had followed kyle and tyler and ran like they did 🥺 i know he said he couldnt because of his knee, but if only his adrenaline had kicked in like kyle he could’ve sprinted down those stairs too and made it out alive. also heartbreaking to hear that both joaquin and meadow were in mrs. lippel’s class but somehow (im sure through the chaos) got stranded in the hallway far away from their class💔🥺
What they need to take away from this is- don't do unexpected drills! It's obvious it's doing more harm than good. I know response is different when people aren't in the flight or fight situation, but if the teachers KNEW this isn't a drill they could've gotten more kids to safety! It makes absolutely no sense at all. Hope they look into their procedure and weight in the risk and benefit. why not just settle on "if you hear gun shots, it's not a drill, take cover".
The way they side bar is very strange to me and annoying.
i know right lols
6:28:32 Something hits me wrong with this witness. He's extremely insensitive and flippant with his answers. The parents are clearly disgusted. Something just doesn't sit right with me about him. He used the word "fun" when asked to review footage of mass murder.
I think he just has a quirky personality…he’s definitely not a coward he held the door open for his class and held it shut so the shooter wouldn’t shoot at the kids running down the stairs..
Q: "what do you teach?"
A: "Students"
Dude that's "who" you teach...arrogant SOAB.
Maybe he's nervous?
@@lauraMol89 But hes like the oldest person that testified and a bunch of high school kids that were hit with bullets are somehow more calm and mature and collected than he is?
It really doesnt add up. This teacher is weird af. Even from the very beginning he gets sworn in and judge says to sit down and hes like "YAYYYY" like a 7 year old being told he gets to go to the pool today.
Found his attitude very disconcerting. He witnessed the atrocities of Feb. 14, 2018 at MSD high school. He sees the families of the 17 deceased…has he no compassion for them or for the entire process. He’s angry but I feel it is misdirected and inappropriate considering the facts of this case.
This guy has killed , maimed and traumatised so many. Why go through all this. Hes pleaded guilty. Hes on video doing it. Just sentence him. No appeals should be happening. Talk about drag it out. That many killings should just incur the death penalty. Why should anyone be paying to keep this guy alive another day.
that pesky thing called the Constitution
This is literally to determine a sentence. It’s not an appeal. He pled guilty. Hence the title specifying “penalty phase” 🙄
everyone deserves due process
Y’all in the comments are crazy.And I hope you don’t behave like this to people in your day to day. Remember to be kind to people and generous towards others especially when they are people who’ve experienced tragedy.
That murderer deserves no kindness in this world. He deserves to be put into a cold concrete room & have the audio & video tapes of him killing his victims played 24/7 w out stopping
I'm right there with you that's why I don't comment in the live chat cuz people like that I'
Come on Law & Crime.............please put Closed Captions on these videos.....sure helps for us old folks that can't hear well..
That teacher in the blue shirt should be ashamed of himself for making jokes on the stand when 17 students were killed. He should have been treated as a hostile witness. Totally unprofessional and sad he's making jokes during something so serious. Really dude? Have some respect.
That creature should be made to respect the Court and the people in it; it is absurd how his attorneys let him sit there with his head down . .. not having to man up and see what he has caused although it would probably give him some sort of thrill ...
That Ernie guy or whatever his name is testifying at 6:40:00 totally sucks. He is being completely disrespectful , nothing excuses this. You can deal with trauma differently of course, but he was super disrespectful and it’s obvious in everybody’s face that they are disgusted by his attitude. He’s that type of teacher that seems to have a power tripping god complex and didn’t seem to be passionate with students. Cocky attitude and a condescending look in his eye the whole time. It’s surprising they didn’t call him out on his ignorant demeanor. He was the the same way in the parkland documentary. But not this bad, I’m amazed how much worse he actually seems to be. But unfortunately this trial was a mess and disrespectful to the families all around so I’m not surprised. SMH
'Judge, the prosecution keeps showing how evil the defendant really is, I object'
lol, just because it makes you look bad, does not mean you can object to everything all day.
“Your honor, I object!” “On what grounds?” “This is destroying my case!”
The kids couldn’t get back in the room because he forgot his keys. I think this may explain the parents reaction. He has severe trauma and guilt.
My heart was breaking for him. He did everything he possibly could. He is HUMAN.
@@lytled6551 I also think he did everything he could
He really does, I’m sure it’s also incredibly anxiety inducing to be in front of everyone, including your assailant/the murderer of your students and coworkers, and talk about the worst day of your life.
@@ticccylikeasniccy4651 exactly. You have to drudge it up all over again, knowing you may be barraged by hate once again. Brain engages defense mechanisms.
The witness who's acting strange could possibly be nervous? Being in that court room next to the murderer would make some people act out of character, or he's just eccentric.
ND person here. I’m not a doctor but he appears to have Tourette’s. Tics can be more unpredictable and sporadic under intense stress. This can cause atypical outbursts like when he was sworn in, neurodivergent speech patterns, and a demeanor that may not “fit” neuro typical expectations. I would imagine the situation alone is incredibly stressful, let alone if he’s actually neurodivergent. I’m hoping all of these people are able to heal after this tragedy.
He's very very livid with rage. I also ramble with emotional distress, even dark humour really
@@madelainefordham7004 I wouldn't have gathered Tourette’s as much as aspergers... I'm on the spectrum, and have acted very similar to him in high stress/trauma situations. So much so that people thought I was being disrespectful. It's just how my brain operates.. I feel bad for the guy.
@@gingerroot8802 But he teaches too .And yes, I think it's hard to watch for the families.
@@gingerroot8802 Oh for sure AuDHDer here! 👍🏼
This is so sad that these families need to deal with this
The way the gunman is plugging his ears pretending to be affected by the videos of his horrific acts, but then couldn’t stop staring at his victims scars..
Was he staring ew. He was probly proud of what he did 🤢.
If this man does not get the death penalty then there is something definitely wrong with the system and others will follow the actions of this murderer.
To be honest even if he does get death he might end up just dying on his own because people who got death 20 years ago are still awaiting execution
There's something wrong with the system. Clearly, selling an AR15 to a civilian is wrong. And he got life. God bless America.
@@shayshay2068 waiting 20 ..or more likely 30 years wouldn’t mean he’d ‘die on his own’ . He is 23. more likely, he’d be killed in prison
Do we know who the parents are? I'm assuming the couple by the man in the blue suit were a family of someone who passed in 1216? But the blue suit man shakes his head so much I'm so interested to know who the parents are. It's nice to see them supporting each other but heartbreaking to watch them cry and relive their kids last moments or scariest moments.
Blue suit is Max Schachter, father of Alex Schachter. Behind him, blonde lady with glasses and man with glasses are Jamie Guttenberg’s parents. The lady with blonde hair and bald man with glasses infront of Mr Schachter and to the left are Nicholas Dworet and Alexander Dworet’s parents. Lady at the very front is Scott Beigel’s mum. Joaquín Oliver’s sister is also in the court, towards the left with dark hair.
@@suziewoozie1000 thank you! X
Unbelievable how the shooter covers his ears when the court played one of the wounded yelling for help at 6:17:00
Anyone notice he's doing a lot of writing or drawing?? It looks like they put the books in front so the camera can't see? Is he asking his lawyer questions?
Yes I see that
The man with the glasses, why is he all chipper and talking about the even like some birthday party he went to?
So annoying and disrespectful. I hope it’s his way of dealing cause if he truly thinks this is appropriate WOW!
Mate let me tell you, high level trauma really messes you up -
In simple terms: People react differently to stress and there's a shitload of PTSD here for all of these witnesses/victims.
Definitely post traumatic stress. Definitely trying to be as accurate as possible. He’s probably a great teacher and a nice guy outside of the courtroom. His attempt to keep his composure is likely bringing out the nervous tick of telling bad jokes. When I had my gallbladder removed in 2001, it was my first real surgery. My husband has a great sense of humor. He always has and he made a 50 year radio career out of it. But that day, he was really nervous. When I came out of recovery and was wheeled into a room, he had flowers and a card he wrote that was a funny poem. It made me laugh and it hurt bad! My mother was also there. He was so nervous, he was making her laugh which lifted her spirits. But it made me laugh and it hurt so bad. I was literally laughing and crying at the same time. He wasn’t doing it deliberately. I don’t think this guy is doing this deliberately. The prosecutor knows everybody reacts differently on the stand. The parents may look surprised because he’s probably not usually like that.
Please enable captions or share transcript for deaf and hard of hearing viewers.
Mr Rospierski, read the room sir 🤦🏻♀️
He's definitely livid with rage. I'd 5ake it easy on him
I was so nervous while he was on the stand I'm like get this guy off before one of the parents attack him.
He's hilarious. At least his jokes are funny, unlike the judge
@@Timefortracy hilarious?! Wow.
People bury unresolved trauma until a time& place triggers their pain. They don't know how they'll respond until they do. This man is kind, cares for teenagers (a calling) & maybe even spectrumy. 🤷🏻♀️
That poor geography teacher is trying not to panic
Did the prosecution ask Anthony 6:26:09 ahead of time to show his wounds because he really came prepared with nothing but a light jacket on to court? Notice how it's the only time Cruz looks up & pays attention is when he's showing his wounds? Guess he's reliving his crime. That teacher at 6:27:00 is just annoying. He seems like he just doesn't care.
The shooter is 100% responsible but if he didn't have access to these types of weapons he couldn't have created so much carnage. Other countries don't have school shootings. In Europe we don't send our kids to school afraid they might not come home. It's absolutely abhorrent. My heart breaks for these and all the families and I hope changes are made. Rights to bear arms is not worth this 😪
If you are European citizen, you have no right to comment on our Constitution. Evil will always exist, therefore the ability and chance to protect ourselves and those around us will always exist. Your dumbfounded opinion is garbage.
He was 100% responsible.
But look how many people died on 9/11 and no guns were used.
@@girlforprayer girl what 😭😭 don’t pull 9/11 into this. absolutely not related
@@girlforprayer u are that mentally not well in the head to compare a TERRORIST ATTACK to a SCHOOL SHOOTING?!?!?! Are u okay? Do u need help?
@@girlforprayer ….and have you noticed all the changes they immediately made to airport security following 9/11
This judge is over the defense team already. This judge needs to try to hold back the eye rolls and the huffing. Otherwise she is potentially putting whatever the jury's decision on the line for an appeal in the future. Trust me, I can't stand what the defendant did and should be punished. But he does have the right to a fair and balanced trial. The parents and every other victim will be very upset if they come back with a death penalty verdict and then he wins an appeal because of the judges actions. Judges can be tough but fair and its their job to hold back their emotions.
She is so annoying.
Lovely comment,where are you connecting from my dearest friend
She needs to stop. Can you see that she making him get the life sentence. She needs to hid her emotions.
@@itsbeyondme5560 she really does. She has been getting worse each day.
@@itsbeyondme5560 "hide"
Make him listen to it !!!!!!!!!!!Get his fingers out of his ears !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bring back the electric chair and give it a whirl.
Thank you for making a distasteful and a absolutely HORRIFYING event, that unfortunately is required to be relived,easier on the family’s and victims . By decorum of the court and letting the public to see these proceedings
when they are showing photographs to the witnesses e.g ‘ please identify victim X’ are they shown a photo of their dead body or is it a normal photo of themselves? 😢
What do you mean there was a lack of evidence of pre-planning? He texted or called some of his friends and told them not to go to school that day because something big was going to happen. He videotaped himself talking about what he was going to do. If that is not proof of planning I don't know what is
This prosecutor is really good at his job.
The teacher who came across as inappropriate ( Rospierski) on the stand definitely doesn't reflect what he did on the day. I was also cringing and it felt like a punch everytime he spoke and made joke, BUT prosecutor should've prepared him for this and guided questions differently! Also, the guy literally SAVED kids that ran down the stairwell. there's CCTV stills easily accessible showing him holding the door whilst Cruz is visible on the other side!!! Let's not forget he is also a victim and his testimony didn't come across well. He did so much more than make jokes and leave his keys in the bag!!!
my sister teaches there as well and they are friends. she said he’s had to tell this story so many times and he’s basically tired of telling it because its traumatic
It’s trauma and the humor is to alleviate the nervousness and anxiety of having to relive this for four years
@@morgue. I didn’t find it humorous at all. Offensive, inappropriate and uncalled for!
@@belfiore_18 Everyone deals with trauma differently. Him using humor to cope isn't offensive. It's not at all uncommon. I do it as well. I have to ease my mind with humor when recounting traumatic events or I just fully dissociate. Your judgment is the only thing that's uncalled for here.
Yes, his testimony made me very uncomfortable. However, I wasn't there. I can only imagine the trauma he experienced. Smh absolutely terrifying.
The pain theese people Carry must be so heavy I cannot imagine how hard it must be for them to simply sit up in their seats nevermind listening to the description of the murder of their children/family members. I cannot imagine. I would just have no words and if I had to sit on that stand I would just break. I completely understand why but I do can't imagine the strength it must take not to launch yourself at him. I don't know that I could be in the same room as the person who took my child from the earth. Theese are incredibly strong people. I hope they know the circle of love for them(and others effected by this kind of violence) from the world. God bless theese families. Xx
Even Cruz’s own defense attorney is crying at 1:25:30
I assume the Russian young man who had only been in the USA for 2 weeks was a foreign exchange student. I wonder if he stayed his full term. I can't imagine not fully understanding English and so much devastation. Does anyone know more about him?
I guess you didn't pay closer attention to his testimony. He testified being ENROLLED at Stoneman Douglas for 2 weeks before the shooting. And nowadays he's at Broward College (in Florida as well). And since he went home to his parents after the shooting and came back to school to be taken to hospital, I doubt he was an exchange student. He's just a Russian living in US with his family
Alex Schachter's father just shakes his head in disbelief to every teacher specially the teacher Rospierski testifying with a mocking tone like he´s high on something... I wonder how many parents blame the 3rth floor teachers... personally I think the only one to blame is the shooter but this teacher is not helping his case with that tone. Jamie's father mouths something to him when he exits, btw he was the only witness with security protecting him from the parent section, did you all notice that? I wonder why they are so mad at him, he was praised as a hero for getting the kids in the hallway down the stairs....
The parent at the end of the seating? I believe that Is alex schacters dad, for the teacher I think that's his way of coping with the situation as he is hailed a hero for saving many children
@@TheMiddleFan Yes thank you! I updated my comment, I thought the same, that the teacher was just nervous or a little awkaward like a kid, but the parents reaction to him was strong...specially Jamie's, they were very agressive towards the teacher...Alex's dad seemed ready to stand up and spit on him.
I wonder why because you are right he was hailed a hero...
@@fernandaolivares7926 I think the parents are just really upset with the whole situation.
@@TheMiddleFan Yeah, who can blame them...do you know who's parent the guy next to Schachter is?
@@fernandaolivares7926 I don't know directly beside
Folks in the chat were angry with the male teachers testimony. As someone who has experienced trauma…let me just say, humor as a coping mechanism is a very real thing. If we don’t joke constantly, sometimes even dark humor about ourselves and the trauma, we would probably off ourselves. It’s a reaction, a defense mechanism. Some people shove it down and repress it, others broadcast it, laugh it off, and act like it was no big deal. You can’t help how you respond to trauma. Your brain does what it needs to protect itself.
Yes I immediately recognized that as I tend to do the same. I've been through so much trauma throughout my life that even one of my therapists made a comment about people 'handing in the towel for less'. Dark humor and jokes at 'inappropriate' times has become a part of my personality now, I wouldn't be able to handle life without it.
Remember folks, Ernest left Jaime Guttenberg to die.