As a high time instrument pilot. My rule of thumb is IFR in VFR conditions. A wise instructor once told me, its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the sky rather than being in the sky wishing you were on the ground.
Been flying for 22 yrs and will only fly VFR in my Archer. It’s a great plane but VFR is where it belongs . I have friends who are CFIs and won’t fly hard IFR in a plane like mine
@@arthurbrumagem3844 I had a Cherokee 180 for 33+ years. I flew it in IFR conditions but never into thunderstorms. Only a few times did I make approaches to minimums and those were usually due to fog.
@@billmorris2613 all about choices and minimizing the risk. My wife likes blue skies and if that is what it takes for her to enjoy the flight then I’m going to oblige her 😂 Happy wife , happy pilot
I'll never forget this one. Complete and total incompetence. To give you some context: he went through Flight Safety's PC12 course with a retired airline captain, and the retired airline captain said later in an interview with the NTSB that he told this clown that he (the airline pilot) was going to have a safety pilot with him for the first X number of hours in the plane until he got comfortable with it. An airline pilot said that. Meanwhile this guy just goes bombing out on vacation with his whole family. This was murder.
His ego got in the way. When he was advised of bad weather he should have landed and he and his family should have stayed in a motel overnight until it was safe to continue.
I've seen enough of these stories that seem to repeat. They fall into the category of: I have my pilot's license, I'm rich and successful, I'm buying a high performance airplane, I've flown it a couple times, I don't need anyone else to tell me what to do.
@ u can but now u mite end up flying in dark, which mite be bad. If u wait till morning u start fresh. Im not a pilot, so im just guessing. I’m a long distance cyclist. I’ve quit so many long rides because things were not safe.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
I was thinking the same thing. Your comment tells me you've observed the same dynamic on a lot of these incidents. Namely these types have a lot of cash. Many of them don't use their aircraft enough to even warrant having one in my opinion and hence have very few hours flying, gaining experience. It seems they look at it like a car and something to hop in occasionally and get to their destination really fast on their own. Too many variables in my opinion especially the weather! One should know that aircraft inside and out, know what it can do and what it can't do and what will tear it up as in this case and act accordingly.
@@im_agine852 I always thought the same--That Money is the root of all evil--My Dad corrected me decades ago, "it's the Love of money that is the root of all evil". Just my thoughts on this, not being sarcastic. RIP to this family
@@blackskilletcooking4111. Your father is correct. It’s a quote from the Bible, and it is, “The love of money is the root of all evil.” I’m not saying that this was what caused the accident in this video- I can’t judge someone I’ve never met. It’s getting the quote correctly that is my objective. Money, in and of itself, is neither good nor evil. It’s all about one’s attitude towards money. It’s greed and avarice that is the problem, especially when coupled with indifference toward those who are poor.
So sad…….he killed his entire precious family, who trusted him…..but his ego was bigger than his inexperience as a pilot! He had the “I could do no wrong attitude”!!
Flying is not a hobby. It is a profession. I cannot be a successful real estate person in a few years. Same for flying. Except in flying mistakes are not that forgiving.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
Since 1995 when the PC-12 started to be delivered to customers there have been 19 Fatal crashes resulting in 104 deaths. Although statistics say it’s a safe airplane, and it is with a well trained and current pilot, 104 fatalities would suggest there’s an issue somewhere. In my opinion just because you can afford such a magnificent airplane doesn’t mean you should be able to just hop in and fly anywhere anytime you like. There have been a number of this exact accidents recently. Please people if you can afford 2-4 million for a plane you can afford the cost to have a co-pilot for the first 100 hours in type.
This happened 1/3 mile from my lakehouse, the boy was found in the lake by game wardens and woods scorched by the crash.. what a horrific story. Still saddened when I drive by there.
The first blowout was the passenger window which leads me to believe that the poor kid was flying next to his dad and when the blowout happened he went straight out the window. Maybe I'm wrong but being he was the only one ejected I wonder if that's why.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
I used to fly safety pilot for a wealthy man in Vero Beach. He was a good pilot but didnt fly all that much. I was invited along to observe. I saved his butt the first flight. I flew with him for five years and had a blast. RIP Stewart Woodward
OMG Sorry for you loss ...radio if that's really the conversation w/ ATC ? > seemed Very Competent just sudden weather or Flight Plan error to avoid weather ahead
Went Elk hunting in Mississippi several times with a bunch of dr’s & lawyers. I was just the safety pilot. Treated me like a king. Flew through the edges of Hurricane Gilbert, twice on one trip, it was an indecisive Hurricane and kept getting in the way.
@@aircampilot8025 JFK Jr trained in Vero Beach where I was an instructor years before. Apparently he used to sit in the same booth I considered mine at CJ Cannon’s, the airport restaurant. When Pat the owner saw him in the booth from behind the first time, she thought it was me, (same hair), and jumped into the seat across from him thinking it was me. They became good friends. Pat was an awesome woman.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
First rule of being a father is protecting your family, and not put them at risk from your hobbies or interests - don't make your problems their problems. Arrogance and hubris cost this family it all. Image your final thoughts in life are listening to your family scream in terror before they die because of your carelessness.
Could absolutely not agree more.. You are the protector of your family first.. Shameful.. Can't imagine what his wife was saying to him in their last horrifying moments
I always wondered why people always still want to push the limits even when they have a family. Like those people with young children who still want to base jump or do wingsuit flying. Ego is probably one of the most destructive forces in the world.
@@CoolHand273 he had to know his kids were gonna die, by his hands. Hard lesson, but never put your family into unnecessary danger. That was unnecessary.
The problem started at St Lucie. He was in a hurry to get refueled and on his way. Did he receive or request a weather briefing? It appears not. Once airborne and facing those conditions, you have the right to declare an emergency, deviate from course as much as needed and land at the nearest airport away from the weather if necessary. Yes, you'll have to answer some questions to the FAA, but you and your family will be alive to do it. As a pilot in command, you are the one in control of your airplane, not the ground controller.
AP disconnect from extreme turbulence followed by pilot loss of control seems to be a common theme in high performance turbines recently. Wealthy pilots way too overconfident IMO. No reason not to have a pro pilot for these flights sitting next to you and safeguard your family. Very sad.
This was an arrogant man with no idea what he was actually dealing with. Little real IFR time in a plane pushed beyond it's limits. A Private license is a license to kill. He exterminated his family to stroke his ego. Insurance companies must stop this madness!! These cowboys are a threat to their families!!
Probably wasn't room for another person plus luggage for 1-2 weeks. And where can you find a pilot that will be out of work all that time? Should have stuck to day vfr only.
@@kristensorensen2219 This man obviously put the lives of his family in EXTREME jeopardy for all the reasons noted in the comments above, but to say he EXTERMINATED them, is (way) over the top.
I did alot of research on this one back in the day. He was always behind the airplane when took his training for the Pilatus and he was struggling. There is a video of the plane flying in and out of the clouds in the NTSB docket prior to crashing taken by cellphone from a witness. The autopilot kicked off and instead of hand flying he conducted a test of the autopilot while the bank angle was increasing and the plane began descending with the air speed rising. When he finally realized he needed to correct the issue by hand flying he made his final mistake he pulled back on the control stick well above the minimum maneuvering speed resulting in the inflight breakup and ejection of his child that was sitting in the passenger cabin.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
The legacy PC12 autopilot disconnects at about a 2.5 G load factor, a moderate bump will do the job. I train at FSI every six months and we don’t really discuss this nor do we simulate it, the first time that you experience it is when you are busy in IMC in turbulent weather. If you don’t understand what happened and you aren’t proficient in hand flying the airplane then you die. At 28 hours total in the airplane the guy never had a chance.
I had a friend of mine whose hubris cost him and his high school sweetheart their lives. This selfish guy killed his entire family. I’m sure he had time to apologize to his wife
It occurred to me that JFK Junior also crashed his plane in the same manner. Inexperience and bad weather. He went down along with his wife and sister-in-law.
@@lbowsk The US has the most light plane crashes in the world. For one, more folks own these planes and it only takes 40 or so hours to get a PPL (private pilot's license) VFR only. Daytime visual flying. My late father flew fighters in the 1960s and 1970s and then commercial (DC-10s, Boeing 7474s, 727s and 707s, F27s). He always said that to be a competent pilot, you must be flying as a profession, not just on "family trips" and weekends. You literally have to fly a few times a week to stay proficient and current. Many do not realize that although very safe, flying is still hazardous if mistakes are made and far less forgiving than other professions. JFK Jr. is another prime example of this. Hubris, ego or just plain intellectual shallowness...
He could have easily got first class tickets for himself and his family 😢 Why take such a huge risk,proved fatal. Had he been travelling back home alone then it would be acceptable but with the family,he should have NEVER done it! I feel so sorry for the wife and kids.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
@@yvetteandjorgenlarsen9753 The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
That is not necessarily any guarantee. I know this because I've been a professional pilot for 50 years. Several other 'professionals" I knew have ended up just like this fellow.
An accident like this should serve as a stark reminder of the need for enhanced preventative measures, including training pilots on how to deal with complex emergencies, improving the reliability of automated systems on board aircraft, and closer monitoring of weather conditions during flights. Such tragedies are not isolated incidents, but should serve as a catalyst for the global aviation industry to improve its operational procedures and prepare for the inevitable.
Very well done. Very Sad ... a whole family lost. I can't understand why Ron didn't steer WELL away and deviate as he knew about the severe weather well in advance. It might cost them additional half hour or even an hour to fly far south of the storms...but why not? I think having that expensive PC 12 stokes egos and inflates abilities to take unnesssary risks that might not have been taken in a simpler aircraft.---- Side note I really enjoy the beautiful graphics and story details.. This channel should blowup
Inexperienced pilots get totally behind the airplane and then rely on their autopilot to keep them safe. Then when it goes off they are so panicked that they try to get it back on and forget to fly the airplane. Once it is out of control they are completely lost.
So many opportunities to land and sit out the weather.
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@@navajojohn9448 exactly…without being too critical; (no one knew exactly what his reasoning was) I’m sure his last moments were of trying to save his family, maybe even wondering how things got this badly out of control. I have been in situations where things got out of my control, often due to my own stupidity or complacency. I have been blessed with luck and solid training. Not everyone even knows when they’re operating outside their own envelope and few know all of our weaknesses going into all situations.
@@karlrschneider Insurance would be required if the airplane was financed. This aircraft was registered to Roadside Ventures, LLC. Most general aviation airplanes owned by small business operators, are registered into an LLC in order to, as the name implies, limit liability. Insurance is just the part of the cost of operating an airplane like this.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
Very tragic but I just don't understand the mindset. Your wife and children are onboard. As soon as a weather report showed anything moderate on his planned route, the right decision is to err on the side of caution. Limited high performance airplane and IFR experience flying into weather that's characterized as moderate to severe. Where was his brain? Once in the air and headed for the weather he should have requested ATC give him a deviation that took him a very safe distance away. From the flight track, it looks like he hardly deviated from his route at all.
@@didier7868 "Course" in this case refers to the flight plan route-the track over the ground the airplane is supposed to fly. The accident pilot's clearance was (from memory): "Above 3000' direct Lakeland direct Seminole then to the destination (I've forgotten that airport). On a map that looks like three strait lines. The accident pilot is flying to Lakeland but now is faced with bad weather. So straight ahead, the clearance given and accepted, is no longer is a safe option. The Air Traffic Controller is not only controlling this flight but other aircraft as well. Additionally, the controller is also only allowed to move airplanes within the airspace that he/she is in control of (responsible for), which is limited. The controller gave the pilot the option to change his course, to avoid the bad weather, but not complete freedom (they are not the only airplane in the air). The instruction is to deviate "right of course" meaning the pilot can turn right to get away from the bad weather as much as that pilot wants. But, with that clearance, the same pilot cannot turn to the left to avoid the same weather. But turn "right" or "left" of what? That is where the "course" becomes important; it is the reference point of the clearance. The controller is dealing with some other limitation (another airplane, traffic, airspace restrictions of some other obstacle and does not want the pilot to change direction to the left (south in this case). Thinking of it in terms of a road and driving a car; then while you are driving northwest you can take a side road to the right of the road you are on to get around the traffic, but not a left road. You may stay on the road you are on or turn off that road to the right (only) and then do what you need to do, as long as you stay on the right side of the road you were originally on. Hope that helps. -Respectfully
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
Lake Wales is near military training space as I always avoided it. Didn't he look at the radar in Ft. Pierce? Sad! 48 hours in a complex plane like a Pilatus isn't near enough time to fly 1400 miles with your family on board!
Remember, he flew from home to the islands. I agree with your assessment, he wasn't experienced enough, especially in the Pilatus, to be flying single pilot at flight level altitudes and that speed and complexity to handle it if things didn't go perfectly.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
Thirty-eight hours in this plane is very little experience for a such a complicated high-performance aircraft. I would like to know what he flew before stepping up to this plane. All very sad. PS I've flown in Florida weather for many years. Storms can arise very quickly. Better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air.
The Pilatus / TBM are the new Bonanza, too many affluent people get their training in a 172 to go purchase a turboprop. Florida storms are no joke, expect to deviate as much as 150 miles off route.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
This guy taking a risk with the lives of his entire family with next to no training on neither the complexities of this model of aircraft OR flying on instrumentation in poor weather conditions was utterly ridiculous! EGO is the world's biggest killer 😮
What a tragedy. It appears the family still sued the aircraft manufacturer. If the weather has a chance of being bad why fly with your family? As soon as the aircraft controller said bad weather ahead I would have turned around and had my family take a commercial flight home.
@@Null-o7j Every airplane has a "not to exceed" speed above which the stresses on the airframe are sufficient to cause it to break up. You cannot build airplanes with enough integral strength to withstand the stresses of violence in thunderstorms. Well, I guess you could build them, but they would be too heavy to fly.
@Null-o7j a few hours of flight experience, flying directly into a thunderstorm. If the family wins this case you should store their lawyer's phone number just in case you do something foolish yourself
I don't know why ATC can't say the words, "We highly recommend that you turn back or land immediately due to the severe whether in your path. Your lives are in imminent danger." They give the weather warning so dispassionately that it lulls the pilit into thinking it's not a big deal. The proper emotion needs to be evident in the words of a severe weather warning. But thry sre so calm that they might as well be saying,"Severe weather ahead, but no worries, just smoke a doobie and it'll be fine." The ATC needs to use emotion and passion behind their warnings so it jolts the pilot into sobriety. They need to be shook up so they can snap out of their "get-there-itis."
Emotion and passion in conveying information don't seem to be the first choice with men. Women pilots would probably have many more words of advice for each other when they had four of their babies on the plane. A difffenecde in communication styles that can be very hazardous.
1000 million % agree with you. The ATC attitude was so ' laissez-faire' knowing fully well it would be fatal entering such a storm. A little sense of urgency in alerting them of the extreme danger ahead from the ATC to divert or turn back might saved that family. 😢
I agree. That family died of hubris, wanton hubris plain and simple. It was stupendously irresponsible of him to take his entire family when he knew full well (yet ignored entirely) that he didn’t have the chops to fly a Pilatus in IMC single pilot.
No, that's not true. I think money and ego bring a lot of danger, it appears he thought he was a very capable pilot able to deal with any weather in his way. The price of not knowing ones limitations can be extraordinarily high. He may have been legal but certainly not up to this trip, this has occurred so many times with other pilots of similar experience flying very similar aircraft all over the world. My Dad was a professional pilot when he looked back at his early days of flight he said " I had just enough experience to be dangerous".
The horror of the family experiencing the son being sucked out of the plane before the crash. I don’t know about consciousness at that altitude, plus the force of the event itself, but I hope he was knocked out before there was time for him to know what had happened.
I was working at st. Pete afss that afternoon. There were numerous thunderstorms that day. Typical florida storms. As a pilot also, you don't want to go within 20 miles of those. they will and did rip an aircraft apart.
I never realised you are a fellow South African. Congrats on your channel, I was saddened by this crash, my heart hurts at every PC12 crash, luckily there are very few.
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If the transcripts are correct, this pilot is unsat right from the start. He doesn’t use any callsign in his radio read backs. He is so amateurish that he skips SOPs. Radio work is poor and usually very telling.
There was nothing wrong with 'radio work'. The goal is to communicate, usage of abbreviations is perfectly ok when both ends undferstand. Your criticism is badly misplaced.
@rallyden To be honest, I also find the ATC very unclear. First he has it to deviate to the north. Then to deviate to the south. And the ‘off course’ is not clear and very confusing. The ATC should have checked with the pilot whether he had noticed the change from north to south. The instructions from ATC should have been much clearer.
Too much deregulation in the US since Ronald Reagan: anyone with a limited experience thinks he/she is a master of the sky. Some of them even create airline companies.
There is a problem with FAA mandate to both PROMOTE and REGULATE aviation, imo. Those are often conflicting goals. It causes a lot of safety issues, notably the certification of the 737max which never should have happened.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
@@brandonsavitski He may have been a nice guy, but his actions around flying were nothing short of criminal. His family trusted him and his ego killed them.
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
If the audio was from his flight, you can clearly here he was overtaxed & starting to get flustered very early after take off from Florida... clear indicator the Traffic Controllers picked up on as they were holding his hand right throughout guiding him step by step...he rushed his take off home, should have made the decision to stay overnight but hindsight is a blessing if you listen...could have been avoided sad loss of life
An old boss yrs ago would not fly on the same commercial flight as his wife when vacationing due to his fear of dying with his wife and leaving the kids parentless.
Someone actually got a very grainy picture of the aircraft just before it hit the ground but it wasn't shown in this video. Otherwise this was the best re-creation of this accident I have seen so far.
I would always make sure to have a couple of days completely free of appointments after planned arrival home. No school, no business, no work, no birthdays etc.
You are in challenging weather, with aviate, navigate, communicate work load increasing. Single Pilot with minimal experience. Losing the autopilot without the ability to hand fly and recover from unusual attitude was fatal.
Too many stories like that. A former bosses' father wiped out part of his family by controlled flight into terrain...right into mountain minutes after take-off. Experienced, but elderly pilot.
I am a retired professional pilot and I also am a CFI. I know pilots that have money but very little commen sense. I am talking about pilots that own aircraft and fly themselves. What amazed me the most is how they believe they can do things that are impossible and can not be convinced by someone with thousands of hours of night IFR flying that what they "think" they can do will get them killed. I think this comes from not enough experience or training to know single pilot IFR is a handful when everything is smooth and the weather is just dark or clouds. Throw thunderstorms , devations, turbulance and autopilot disconnecting and you need to be hand flying actual IFR for many hours evrey week to be a experienced enough to know when to say "we are not flying today and getting a room". 4 hours of IFR in 8 years is really no experience at all. Airliners on the otherhand are flown by pilots with lots of training and most of them are flying more in a month than most GA pilots fly in a year and airliners are relatively easy to fly and you have a second very experienced pilot in the other seat. Enough money to be able to have an expensive airplane but not smart enough to know what you can't do.
As an outsider, i cannot see a successful businessman as a good pilot. The business requires an attitude of ristaking and 'it will be ok' on the way. A pilot just the opposite, he must meticulously plan and manage the risks and alternative flight plans in advance. Two characteristics that contradict 100 percent.
Very tragic story. But, bad things can and do happen when you put a low time amateur pilot in a highly complex airplane without the experience to make good judgement calls. Just his radio communications with ATC were improper and nonstandard. Failing to make proper responses/read backs. Indicative of his inexperience. With such low time this guy must have been a good pilot to check out on an airplane like this. However, there is no replacement for experience when it comes to making judgement calls. And this guy had none! Even flying airliners we give convective activity a very wide berth. And let me guess? I bet this airplane was not equipped with radar! This guy should have never been that close to this kind of weather in a small airplane like that! 6 lives snuffed out. An entire family. And others possibly endangered because of this guy. This guy should have never ventured into this weather. Should have steered well clear. Or better yet, landed some where to wait out the weather paid for a couple of hotel rooms. Had a nice dinner with his family. And tried it again the next day! RIP to this family.
I blame the wife also, allowing her four children to fly on her hubby's hobby airplane. Meanwhile, the last commercial airline crash in the US was in 2009. No brainer imo.
@@stevenblacker1700 yes , she was the mother of those little ones , no possible way I would let my kids get on that airplane . Would have booked a commercial flight with the kids and told hubby , we’ll see you get home .
It’s a shame that neither he nor his wife couldn’t, or wouldn’t, see the arrogance of his decisions. It’s one thing to allow arrogance to risk your own life. It’s another to let arrogance risk the lives of your children. Your number one job as a parent is to protect your children. Sadly, their arrogance cost the lives of the entire family.
Regulations need to be alot stricter for who are given pilot licenses.. Way too many privileged individuals with no sense of responsibility are becoming private pilots and killing innocent people due to incompetence. Same goes for buying and selling of planes..cant be selling planes to any Tom, Dick or Harry just because they have money. A full mental evaluation, background check and rules such as only one pilot allowed to fly. It's simple, why it's not getting done? I have no idea
As a high time instrument pilot. My rule of thumb is IFR in VFR conditions. A wise instructor once told me, its better to be on the ground wishing you were in the sky rather than being in the sky wishing you were on the ground.
smart observation..
Been flying for 22 yrs and will only fly VFR in my Archer. It’s a great plane but VFR is where it belongs . I have friends who are CFIs and won’t fly hard IFR in a plane like mine
Amen.
@@arthurbrumagem3844 I had a Cherokee 180 for 33+ years. I flew it in IFR conditions but never into thunderstorms. Only a few times did I make approaches to minimums and those were usually due to fog.
@@billmorris2613 all about choices and minimizing the risk. My wife likes blue skies and if that is what it takes for her to enjoy the flight then I’m going to oblige her 😂 Happy wife , happy pilot
Ego and “the smartest man in the room” syndrome has killed a lot of millionaires.
I'll never forget this one. Complete and total incompetence. To give you some context: he went through Flight Safety's PC12 course with a retired airline captain, and the retired airline captain said later in an interview with the NTSB that he told this clown that he (the airline pilot) was going to have a safety pilot with him for the first X number of hours in the plane until he got comfortable with it. An airline pilot said that. Meanwhile this guy just goes bombing out on vacation with his whole family. This was murder.
His ego got in the way. When he was advised of bad weather he should have landed and he and his family should have stayed in a motel overnight until it was safe to continue.
I've seen enough of these stories that seem to repeat. They fall into the category of: I have my pilot's license, I'm rich and successful, I'm buying a high performance airplane, I've flown it a couple times, I don't need anyone else to tell me what to do.
I take my stupid comment back about ego because he flew a lot... Probably tried to beat the storm can't predict lightning
How does a plane like this disintegrate?? Structural failure on the wing, or was this a pilot's error??? Thank you.
When ATC says “bad weather ahead” u land and get a motel and fly home tomorrow
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No im not a pilot
@@Capecodham🥱
What if the front passes and the skies are clear a couple hours later? Can you continue flying home then?
@ u can but now u mite end up flying in dark, which mite be bad. If u wait till morning u start fresh. Im not a pilot, so im just guessing. I’m a long distance cyclist.
I’ve quit so many long rides because things were not safe.
Understood.
I lived near this family's home in Junction City. KS. When they died it was an unforgettable couple of weeks as the town mourned.
😔💐
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
Another case of the checkbook is thicker than the logbook.
MONEY is the root of ALL.
@@im_agine852 fun
I was thinking the same thing. Your comment tells me you've observed the same dynamic on a lot of these incidents. Namely these types have a lot of cash. Many of them don't use their aircraft enough to even warrant having one in my opinion and hence have very few hours flying, gaining experience. It seems they look at it like a car and something to hop in occasionally and get to their destination really fast on their own. Too many variables in my opinion especially the weather! One should know that aircraft inside and out, know what it can do and what it can't do and what will tear it up as in this case and act accordingly.
@@im_agine852 I always thought the same--That Money is the root of all evil--My Dad corrected me decades ago, "it's the Love of money that is the root of all evil". Just my thoughts on this, not being sarcastic. RIP to this family
@@blackskilletcooking4111. Your father is correct. It’s a quote from the Bible, and it is, “The love of money is the root of all evil.” I’m not saying that this was what caused the accident in this video- I can’t judge someone I’ve never met.
It’s getting the quote correctly that is my objective. Money, in and of itself, is neither good nor evil. It’s all about one’s attitude towards money. It’s greed and avarice that is the problem, especially when coupled with indifference toward those who are poor.
So sad…….he killed his entire precious family, who trusted him…..but his ego was bigger than his inexperience as a pilot! He had the “I could do no wrong attitude”!!
What’s sad is that he knew the weather conditions and decided to continue.
Flying is not a hobby. It is a profession. I cannot be a successful real estate person in a few years. Same for flying. Except in flying mistakes are not that forgiving.
'Flying is not a hobby. It is a profession." - Well said.
Pilots should get together and write their own book of aviation proverbs.
What a shame. Millions for a airplane but won't spend for a professional pilot with his whole family on board.
I would also argue for better/ recurring training but we humans tend to sometimes believe meeting the minimums is the highest possible achievement.
People are cheap in very strange ways.
EGO
You can put the airplane on payments, unlike your life 😮
What a shame. Planillions for an air spend but won't family his pilot whole.
That must have been excruciatingly terrifying for everyone on board. Deeply sad.
Yup. Dad was a fraud as a PC-12 capable pilot. Likely not IFR current.
The little boy was spelled from the plane! It look like not seat belt!
@@omarjason1255When the window blew out he likely was sucked out.
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Since 1995 when the PC-12 started to be delivered to customers there have been 19 Fatal crashes resulting in 104 deaths. Although statistics say it’s a safe airplane, and it is with a well trained and current pilot, 104 fatalities would suggest there’s an issue somewhere. In my opinion just because you can afford such a magnificent airplane doesn’t mean you should be able to just hop in and fly anywhere anytime you like. There have been a number of this exact accidents recently. Please people if you can afford 2-4 million for a plane you can afford the cost to have a co-pilot for the first 100 hours in type.
Absolutely agree with you!!! I watch these videos just to learn from them so I don't do the same things.
Absolutely. Maybe hire a full-time professional pilot.
This happened 1/3 mile from my lakehouse, the boy was found in the lake by game wardens and woods scorched by the crash.. what a horrific story. Still saddened when I drive by there.
That poor kid. I can't even imagine the terror he experienced during his fall.
The first blowout was the passenger window which leads me to believe that the poor kid was flying next to his dad and when the blowout happened he went straight out the window. Maybe I'm wrong but being he was the only one ejected I wonder if that's why.
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I used to fly safety pilot for a wealthy man in Vero Beach.
He was a good pilot but didnt fly all that much.
I was invited along to observe.
I saved his butt the first flight.
I flew with him for five years and had a blast.
RIP Stewart Woodward
Cool story bro.
JFK JR another prime example IFR is for professionals not
weekend warriors can't imagine the final minutes for that family
OMG Sorry for you loss ...radio if that's really the conversation w/ ATC ? > seemed Very Competent just sudden weather or Flight Plan error to avoid weather ahead
Went Elk hunting in Mississippi several times with a bunch of dr’s & lawyers.
I was just the safety pilot.
Treated me like a king.
Flew through the edges of Hurricane Gilbert, twice on one trip, it was an indecisive Hurricane and kept getting in the way.
@@aircampilot8025 JFK Jr trained in Vero Beach where I was an instructor years before. Apparently he used to sit in the same booth I considered mine at CJ Cannon’s, the airport restaurant. When Pat the owner saw him in the booth from behind the first time, she thought it was me, (same hair), and jumped into the seat across from him thinking it was me. They became good friends. Pat was an awesome woman.
Simulation of the actual breakup might encourage viewing pilots to think twice, at least. Good work making that simulation.
Moral of the story... when flying with entire family to resort vacation leave it up to the commercial pilot pros.
absolutely!
And the mother takes 2 kids with her on one flight while dad takes the other 2 on another.
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First rule of being a father is protecting your family, and not put them at risk from your hobbies or interests - don't make your problems their problems. Arrogance and hubris cost this family it all. Image your final thoughts in life are listening to your family scream in terror before they die because of your carelessness.
Could absolutely not agree more.. You are the protector of your family first.. Shameful.. Can't imagine what his wife was saying to him in their last horrifying moments
I always wondered why people always still want to push the limits even when they have a family. Like those people with young children who still want to base jump or do wingsuit flying. Ego is probably one of the most destructive forces in the world.
@@CoolHand273 he had to know his kids were gonna die, by his hands. Hard lesson, but never put your family into unnecessary danger. That was unnecessary.
Well said. The arrogance and carelessness are mind boggling.
@@CoolHand273 You said it...EGO
The problem started at St Lucie. He was in a hurry to get refueled and on his way. Did he receive or request a weather briefing? It appears not.
Once airborne and facing those conditions, you have the right to declare an emergency, deviate from course as much as needed and land at the nearest airport away from the weather if necessary. Yes, you'll have to answer some questions to the FAA, but you and your family will be alive to do it. As a pilot in command, you are the one in control of your airplane, not the ground controller.
@@maxcorder2211 The ATC controller offered a deviation to the south around the rather small but very bad storm.
JFKjr
He had only 4 hours IFR in the previous EIGHT YEARS!!!
I totally agree!!!
Pilot license for 30 years, 755 hours. That is not all that much flying really.
😢@@nesbitstreet
AP disconnect from extreme turbulence followed by pilot loss of control seems to be a common theme in high performance turbines recently. Wealthy pilots way too overconfident IMO. No reason not to have a pro pilot for these flights sitting next to you and safeguard your family. Very sad.
That's right, turn off Auto Pilot and use those IFR skills, and change course.
This was an arrogant man with no idea what he was actually dealing with. Little real IFR time
in a plane pushed beyond it's limits. A Private license is a license to kill. He exterminated his family to stroke his ego. Insurance companies must stop this madness!! These cowboys are a threat to their families!!
Probably wasn't room for another person plus luggage for 1-2 weeks.
And where can you find a pilot that will
be out of work all that time?
Should have stuck to day vfr only.
@@kristensorensen2219 This man obviously put the lives of his family in EXTREME jeopardy for all the reasons noted in the comments above, but to say he EXTERMINATED them, is (way) over the top.
I did alot of research on this one back in the day. He was always behind the airplane when took his training for the Pilatus and he was struggling. There is a video of the plane flying in and out of the clouds in the NTSB docket prior to crashing taken by cellphone from a witness. The autopilot kicked off and instead of hand flying he conducted a test of the autopilot while the bank angle was increasing and the plane began descending with the air speed rising. When he finally realized he needed to correct the issue by hand flying he made his final mistake he pulled back on the control stick well above the minimum maneuvering speed resulting in the inflight breakup and ejection of his child that was sitting in the passenger cabin.
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Just visualising what happened is mortifying. Poor kid and the whole family gone in such a horrible way.
The legacy PC12 autopilot disconnects at about a 2.5 G load factor, a moderate bump will do the job. I train at FSI every six months and we don’t really discuss this nor do we simulate it, the first time that you experience it is when you are busy in IMC in turbulent weather. If you don’t understand what happened and you aren’t proficient in hand flying the airplane then you die. At 28 hours total in the airplane the guy never had a chance.
His family never had a chance. HE had a chance. He could have prevented this by having a pro aviator in the right seat.
@@RussClarkRocks or just by flying around the storms instead of pointing right at them.
Seems like an obvious and major flaw in the training system that needs to be corrected.
@@scottmoseley5122flaw in the training system? More like a pilot having 28 hours.....
Geez I was wrong, the autopilot disengages at a measly 1.6 g’s. It does seem to happen in the legacy models rather frequently, the NG not so much.
I had a friend of mine whose hubris cost him and his high school sweetheart their lives. This selfish guy killed his entire family. I’m sure he had time to apologize to his wife
Possibly a common feature of ultra-competitive business people who begin thinking they can overcome anything in any sphere.
It occurred to me that JFK Junior also crashed his plane in the same manner. Inexperience and bad weather. He went down along with his wife and sister-in-law.
Another overconfident rich dude kills his family flying when he shouldn’t. Idiotic.
Change "shouldn't" to "couldn't" and you would have nailed the whole comment section. Accurate and apt.
@@lbowsk The US has the most light plane crashes in the world. For one, more folks own these planes and it only takes 40 or so hours to get a PPL (private pilot's license) VFR only. Daytime visual flying. My late father flew fighters in the 1960s and 1970s and then commercial (DC-10s, Boeing 7474s, 727s and 707s, F27s). He always said that to be a competent pilot, you must be flying as a profession, not just on "family trips" and weekends. You literally have to fly a few times a week to stay proficient and current. Many do not realize that although very safe, flying is still hazardous if mistakes are made and far less forgiving than other professions. JFK Jr. is another prime example of this. Hubris, ego or just plain intellectual shallowness...
My Aunt and Uncle died in Alaska < the piolet flew into a ravine and did not leave enough room to turn back at Mount McKinley
He could have easily got first class tickets for himself and his family 😢
Why take such a huge risk,proved fatal.
Had he been travelling back home alone then it would be acceptable but with the family,he should have NEVER done it!
I feel so sorry for the wife and kids.
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25 years of flying. Stay 20 nm from storms.
Understood.
Copy that Capt.
I dig your style!
understood. i’ve always wanted to get my pilots license. will definitely take this advice
Discussing weather conditions with a refueler usually doesn’t add much to your planning skills
People with money buy aircraft more capable than their skills and judgement. They expect aircraft to replace their lack of judgement.
I will go 100 miles out of the way if that’s what it takes to keep my family out of adverse weather.
Well, you love your family. This man loved wealth, status, and the admiration of others
@@yvetteandjorgenlarsen9753 The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
Tragic ! Those poor children, very sad.
More money than brains is a dangerous combo..
You left out ALWAYS
@ Some get lucky…
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I'll never board an aircraft that's not being flown by a professional pilot who flies planes for a living.
You don't have to be a professional pilot to use common sense and good judgement. However, you do need a lot more experience that this man had.
Same here I want the most highly trained professional when I’m flying no way in hell
That is not necessarily any guarantee. I know this because I've been a professional pilot for 50 years. Several other 'professionals" I knew have ended up just like this fellow.
@@karlrschneider What did you fly?
How do you know the certification of the pilot? Sure there is no announcement of their credentials.
Very well presented, both narration and graphics. Thanks! 👍🏻
An accident like this should serve as a stark reminder of the need for enhanced preventative measures, including training pilots on how to deal with complex emergencies, improving the reliability of automated systems on board aircraft, and closer monitoring of weather conditions during flights. Such tragedies are not isolated incidents, but should serve as a catalyst for the global aviation industry to improve its operational procedures and prepare for the inevitable.
The channel flying for Money has video called "Rich Men in Turbines". Lots of rich men and dying in airplanes with turbine engines.
He does a good break down of those incidents
Very well done. Very Sad ... a whole family lost. I can't understand why Ron didn't steer WELL away and deviate as he knew about the severe weather well in advance. It might cost them additional half hour or even an hour to fly far south of the storms...but why not? I think having that expensive PC 12 stokes egos and inflates abilities to take unnesssary risks that might not have been taken in a simpler aircraft.---- Side note I really enjoy the beautiful graphics and story details.. This channel should blowup
Hoover on Pilot Debrief calls this Gethereitis.
This video reminds me of JFK ,Jr. When he was not experienced and turned down an offer for a skilled pilot to fly with him.
Probably had a business deal to get to
Inexperienced pilots get totally behind the airplane and then rely on their autopilot to keep them safe. Then when it goes off they are so panicked that they try to get it back on and forget to fly the airplane. Once it is out of control they are completely lost.
So many opportunities to land and sit out the weather.
@@navajojohn9448 exactly…without being too critical; (no one knew exactly what his reasoning was) I’m sure his last moments were of trying to save his family, maybe even wondering how things got this badly out of control. I have been in situations where things got out of my control, often due to my own stupidity or complacency. I have been blessed with luck and solid training. Not everyone even knows when they’re operating outside their own envelope and few know all of our weaknesses going into all situations.
Yes, and also plenty of time and fuel to avoid all together!!
One of many family annihilators. Too much $ and not enough (pilot) common sense and skills
Exactly what I was thinking, not uncommon.
755 hours total time?! I'm surprised he could find insurance for him to fly the PC12.
Is insurance mandatory? Maybe he insured it on a corporate account?
Insurance is not mandatory.
@@karlrschneider Insurance would be required if the airplane was financed. This aircraft was registered to Roadside Ventures, LLC. Most general aviation airplanes owned by small business operators, are registered into an LLC in order to, as the name implies, limit liability. Insurance is just the part of the cost of operating an airplane like this.
@@TenMinuteTripsApproximately how much are annual premiums?
RIP....Everyone. 😢😢😢😢
Someone forgot to tell him that’s it’s not a Porsche 911.
They should have told him it was a 930 and to watch his ass.
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Very sad. Poor children. And the mother. So tragic specially because the terrible lack of care from the pilot to his family.
Another well made video, thanks Etienne. Very serious aviation lessons to be learned here.
Your words of appreciation is encouraging! Thank you for watching my content...
I use to think these planes were unstable and terrible. I didn't realize it was mostly human error.
So many opportunities to divert around the WX before engaging it were ignored. I shake my head in wonder and sadness.
Excellent presentation Etienne. Thank you very much!
Thank you for your support Steve!
Very tragic but I just don't understand the mindset. Your wife and children are onboard. As soon as a weather report showed anything moderate on his planned route, the right decision is to err on the side of caution. Limited high performance airplane and IFR experience flying into weather that's characterized as moderate to severe. Where was his brain? Once in the air and headed for the weather he should have requested ATC give him a deviation that took him a very safe distance away. From the flight track, it looks like he hardly deviated from his route at all.
exactly what i was thinking....wonder why he did shoot well south or north or just land.
They all say "of course" : " to the north of course" ... then " to the right of course"... why ?
@@didier7868 "Course" in this case refers to the flight plan route-the track over the ground the airplane is supposed to fly. The accident pilot's clearance was (from memory): "Above 3000' direct Lakeland direct Seminole then to the destination (I've forgotten that airport). On a map that looks like three strait lines. The accident pilot is flying to Lakeland but now is faced with bad weather. So straight ahead, the clearance given and accepted, is no longer is a safe option.
The Air Traffic Controller is not only controlling this flight but other aircraft as well. Additionally, the controller is also only allowed to move airplanes within the airspace that he/she is in control of (responsible for), which is limited. The controller gave the pilot the option to change his course, to avoid the bad weather, but not complete freedom (they are not the only airplane in the air). The instruction is to deviate "right of course" meaning the pilot can turn right to get away from the bad weather as much as that pilot wants. But, with that clearance, the same pilot cannot turn to the left to avoid the same weather. But turn "right" or "left" of what? That is where the "course" becomes important; it is the reference point of the clearance. The controller is dealing with some other limitation (another airplane, traffic, airspace restrictions of some other obstacle and does not want the pilot to change direction to the left (south in this case). Thinking of it in terms of a road and driving a car; then while you are driving northwest you can take a side road to the right of the road you are on to get around the traffic, but not a left road. You may stay on the road you are on or turn off that road to the right (only) and then do what you need to do, as long as you stay on the right side of the road you were originally on. Hope that helps.
-Respectfully
It's tough and manly to ignore weather issues. Caution and attention to detail are for woke libs.
From his actions, I wonder if he was hypoxic. Euphoria and overconfidence are symptoms.
These rich people that are sort of idiotic to bring their whole family with them is unbelievable to me.
...and wouldn't you get distracted ?? 4 young kids
Oh it’s unbelievable to me putting 5 people + the pilot on a small plane never mind 5 people that are basically your life ❤
Thins out bad DNA.
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The pressure to succeed must be worst when the plane is filled with the pilots entire family 😢
Would've been opposite for me.. Safety first above all.. Common sense
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@@brandonsavitskiThat's gotta hurt something awful🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
Lake Wales is near military training space as I always avoided it. Didn't he look at the radar in Ft. Pierce? Sad! 48 hours in a complex plane like a Pilatus isn't near enough time to fly 1400 miles with your family on board!
Remember, he flew from home to the islands. I agree with your assessment, he wasn't experienced enough, especially in the Pilatus, to be flying single pilot at flight level altitudes and that speed and complexity to handle it if things didn't go perfectly.
Or fly 1400 mi by yourself
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Thirty-eight hours in this plane is very little experience for a such a complicated high-performance aircraft. I would like to know what he flew before stepping up to this plane. All very sad. PS I've flown in Florida weather for many years. Storms can arise very quickly. Better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air.
Especially when your children are with you , as mom it would be a huge NOPE
The Pilatus / TBM are the new Bonanza, too many affluent people get their training in a 172 to go purchase a turboprop. Florida storms are no joke, expect to deviate as much as 150 miles off route.
you are right . I wonder how many of those hours were just stright and level auto pilot hours with no instruction.
This arrogance, ego and selfish disregard for others must be called out. Get there it-is.
The point is lost when you put a dash in the midle of "itis"...
"Get-there-itis" is supposed to sound like a disease... You know like Meningitis...
@ Yes. Ego makes a man with poor training, poor skills and poor judgement think he can conquer dangerous flight at the edge.
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Rich guy $$$$$ + inexperience + complex plane = 💀💀💀💀💀
This guy taking a risk with the lives of his entire family with next to no training on neither the complexities of this model of aircraft OR flying on instrumentation in poor weather conditions was utterly ridiculous! EGO is the world's biggest killer 😮
Look kids , Daddy's so rich he thinks he's a pilot .
Wow the airframe held up surprisingly well on impact
That indicates that it was likely in a flat spin.
What a tragedy. It appears the family still sued the aircraft manufacturer. If the weather has a chance of being bad why fly with your family? As soon as the aircraft controller said bad weather ahead I would have turned around and had my family take a commercial flight home.
They should not get one cent and have to pay the manufacturer costs.
Someone else in these comments is saying the wing probably broke and the plane itself had issues. Who to trust.
@@Null-o7j Every airplane has a "not to exceed" speed above which the stresses on the airframe are sufficient to cause it to break up. You cannot build airplanes with enough integral strength to withstand the stresses of violence in thunderstorms. Well, I guess you could build them, but they would be too heavy to fly.
@Null-o7j a few hours of flight experience, flying directly into a thunderstorm. If the family wins this case you should store their lawyer's phone number just in case you do something foolish yourself
@@Null-o7j Should never have taken off into those weather conditions.
Great video and great voice.
I don't know why ATC can't say the words, "We highly recommend that you turn back or land immediately due to the severe whether in your path. Your lives are in imminent danger." They give the weather warning so dispassionately that it lulls the pilit into thinking it's not a big deal. The proper emotion needs to be evident in the words of a severe weather warning. But thry sre so calm that they might as well be saying,"Severe weather ahead, but no worries, just smoke a doobie and it'll be fine." The ATC needs to use emotion and passion behind their warnings so it jolts the pilot into sobriety. They need to be shook up so they can snap out of their "get-there-itis."
Emotion and passion in conveying information don't seem to be the first choice with men. Women pilots would probably have many more words of advice for each other when they had four of their babies on the plane. A difffenecde in communication styles that can be very hazardous.
1000 million % agree with you. The ATC attitude was so ' laissez-faire' knowing fully well it would be fatal entering such a storm. A little sense of urgency in alerting them of the extreme danger ahead from the ATC to divert or turn back might saved that family. 😢
@@judieg.7945not true at all.
So he essentially murdered his family. What his 8-year-old son went through in the final moments of his life is unforgivable.
Lol what a dumb comment
@Apache...get a grip! 👹
I agree. That family died of hubris, wanton hubris plain and simple. It was stupendously irresponsible of him to take his entire family when he knew full well (yet ignored entirely) that he didn’t have the chops to fly a Pilatus in IMC single pilot.
No, that's not true. I think money and ego bring a lot of danger, it appears he thought he was a very capable pilot able to deal with any weather in his way. The price of not knowing ones limitations can be extraordinarily high. He may have been legal but certainly not up to this trip, this has occurred so many times with other pilots of similar experience flying very similar aircraft all over the world. My Dad was a professional pilot when he looked back at his early days of flight he said " I had just enough experience to be dangerous".
The horror of the family experiencing the son being sucked out of the plane before the crash. I don’t know about consciousness at that altitude, plus the force of the event itself, but I hope he was knocked out before there was time for him to know what had happened.
I was working at st. Pete afss that afternoon. There were numerous thunderstorms that day. Typical florida storms. As a pilot also, you don't want to go within 20 miles of those. they will and did rip an aircraft apart.
I never realised you are a fellow South African. Congrats on your channel, I was saddened by this crash, my heart hurts at every PC12 crash, luckily there are very few.
I couldn't imagine how terrified his whole family was when the plane was going down how sad
I was unaware of this channel until now. Very impressive presentation. I look forward to future episodes and catching up with the previous content.
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arrogance + overconfidence + incompetence = pilot's decision making
he relied on the auto pilot instead of knowing how to fly
This is what happens when you believe money can buy you anything.
He could have afforded a co-pilot for just this kind of scenario. That was his whole life he loaded on that plane.
If the transcripts are correct, this pilot is unsat right from the start. He doesn’t use any callsign in his radio read backs. He is so amateurish that he skips SOPs. Radio work is poor and usually very telling.
There was nothing wrong with 'radio work'. The goal is to communicate, usage of abbreviations is perfectly ok when both ends undferstand. Your criticism is badly misplaced.
An this is a reenactment, not the actual audio recordings.
@rallyden To be honest, I also find the ATC very unclear. First he has it to deviate to the north. Then to deviate to the south. And the ‘off course’ is not clear and very confusing. The ATC should have checked with the pilot whether he had noticed the change from north to south. The instructions from ATC should have been much clearer.
Flight hours where he switched it to autopilot don't count.
Tremendous work, as usual.
It always amazes me that the option to simply turn around and go back the way you came is often off the table.
Too much deregulation in the US since Ronald Reagan: anyone with a limited experience thinks he/she is a master of the sky. Some of them even create airline companies.
There is a problem with FAA mandate to both PROMOTE and REGULATE aviation, imo. Those are often conflicting goals. It causes a lot of safety issues, notably the certification of the 737max which never should have happened.
Unexpected autopilot disconnection seems to be a very common factor in PC12 accidents.
Sad and very unfortunate. This is another example of a persons wallet and ego is much bigger than common practical sense.
You are right, just because someone has the 💰 doesn't mean they are ready to fly. JFK Jr. Comes to mind.
The idea that just because someone is smart enough to be a CEO they are smart enough to fly is a head scratcher.
more money and ego than skill is a killer. he could have just flew first class on a airline.
The pilot was an inconsiderate idiot.
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@@brandonsavitski He may have been a nice guy, but his actions around flying were nothing short of criminal. His family trusted him and his ego killed them.
i got handed the meterology book when doing my pilots licence and was told this book will save your life 10 times. I am up to 3 times.
Stop calling this kind of murder a MISTAKE!!! It was a DECISION! A deliberate ego DECISION!!!!
The Bramlage Family were our next door neighbors who lived directly across the street from my families house here in Junction City Kansas. They were good people and were always friendly. Would always wave to us when we were outside in the yard or driving by their house coming or going. Used to watch their kids play in the yard. May they rest in peace.
If the audio was from his flight, you can clearly here he was overtaxed & starting to get flustered very early after take off from Florida... clear indicator the Traffic Controllers picked up on as they were holding his hand right throughout guiding him step by step...he rushed his take off home, should have made the decision to stay overnight but hindsight is a blessing if you listen...could have been avoided sad loss of life
755 hrs since 1994, 25 hrs a year and only 38 of those were in the PC-12. RED FLAG!
At they all Forever Rest In Peace 🙏🙏
An old boss yrs ago would not fly on the same commercial flight as his wife when vacationing due to his fear of dying with his wife and leaving the kids parentless.
Someone actually got a very grainy picture of the aircraft just before it hit the ground but it wasn't shown in this video. Otherwise this was the best re-creation of this accident I have seen so far.
I would always make sure to have a couple of days completely free of appointments after planned arrival home. No school, no business, no work, no birthdays etc.
I saw the aftermath of a small plane crash in Billerica,Massachusetts in the 70s i was 9 yrs old & what i saw has never been unseen.
Very sad but it’s a good case study and yet another unfortunate example of a PC 12 owner getting in above their heads.
To all ...take away ..never never..fly together all family...
SUCH A SENSLESS
MURDER !!!!
STUBBORN MAN SO SAD !!!!.
MAY THEY RIP 🙏🏼
@@jenniferhejhal4101 He didn't murder them.
You are in challenging weather, with aviate, navigate, communicate work load increasing. Single Pilot with minimal experience. Losing the autopilot without the ability to hand fly and recover from unusual attitude was fatal.
Imagine being the first responders to that wreck. The view must have been horrific. Wiped out his beautiful family, due to his own selfishness.
Too many stories like that. A former bosses' father wiped out part of his family by controlled flight into terrain...right into mountain minutes after take-off. Experienced, but elderly pilot.
700 hours in 15 years is very, very little time, especially for such a high performance, complex aircraft as this PC-12
I am a retired professional pilot and I also am a CFI. I know pilots that have money but very little commen sense. I am talking about pilots that own aircraft and fly themselves. What amazed me the most is how they believe they can do things that are impossible and can not be convinced by someone with thousands of hours of night IFR flying that what they "think" they can do will get them killed. I think this comes from not enough experience or training to know single pilot IFR is a handful when everything is smooth and the weather is just dark or clouds. Throw thunderstorms , devations, turbulance and autopilot disconnecting and you need to be hand flying actual IFR for many hours evrey week to be a experienced enough to know when to say "we are not flying today and getting a room". 4 hours of IFR in 8 years is really no experience at all. Airliners on the otherhand are flown by pilots with lots of training and most of them are flying more in a month than most GA pilots fly in a year and airliners are relatively easy to fly and you have a second very experienced pilot in the other seat. Enough money to be able to have an expensive airplane but not smart enough to know what you can't do.
Common Sense comes in different stages. Knowing one's limits is One of Them. . RIP 🌹Family
Wow, bummer, the child was ejected and fell alone to his death.
What a father.
As an outsider, i cannot see a successful businessman as a good pilot. The business requires an attitude of ristaking and 'it will be ok' on the way. A pilot just the opposite, he must meticulously plan and manage the risks and alternative flight plans in advance. Two characteristics that contradict 100 percent.
Very tragic story. But, bad things can and do happen when you put a low time amateur pilot in a highly complex airplane without the experience to make good judgement calls. Just his radio communications with ATC were improper and nonstandard. Failing to make proper responses/read backs. Indicative of his inexperience. With such low time this guy must have been a good pilot to check out on an airplane like this. However, there is no replacement for experience when it comes to making judgement calls. And this guy had none! Even flying airliners we give convective activity a very wide berth. And let me guess? I bet this airplane was not equipped with radar! This guy should have never been that close to this kind of weather in a small airplane like that! 6 lives snuffed out. An entire family. And others possibly endangered because of this guy. This guy should have never ventured into this weather. Should have steered well clear. Or better yet, landed some where to wait out the weather paid for a couple of hotel rooms. Had a nice dinner with his family. And tried it again the next day! RIP to this family.
I blame the wife also, allowing her four children to fly on her hubby's hobby airplane. Meanwhile, the last commercial airline crash in the US was in 2009. No brainer imo.
@@stevenblacker1700 yes , she was the mother of those little ones , no possible way I would let my kids get on that airplane . Would have booked a commercial flight with the kids and told hubby , we’ll see you get home .
It’s a shame that neither he nor his wife couldn’t, or wouldn’t, see the arrogance of his decisions. It’s one thing to allow arrogance to risk your own life. It’s another to let arrogance risk the lives of your children. Your number one job as a parent is to protect your children. Sadly, their arrogance cost the lives of the entire family.
Regulations need to be alot stricter for who are given pilot licenses.. Way too many privileged individuals with no sense of responsibility are becoming private pilots and killing innocent people due to incompetence. Same goes for buying and selling of planes..cant be selling planes to any Tom, Dick or Harry just because they have money. A full mental evaluation, background check and rules such as only one pilot allowed to fly. It's simple, why it's not getting done? I have no idea
Totally agree !