Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom Timeline Secrets!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Zelda Echoes of Wisdom might have a Timeline placement. But where? Downfall or Child?
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I guess you know what The Next Video with Zelda and Timeline in its title will be after this one a few months from now ;)
Super excited! Finally, we get to play as Zelda!
Maybe you can play as Zelda in the Second quest of this game after defeating ganon
BOTW is now seven years old and still hasn’t officially been placed in the timeline.
Maybe Nintendo have given up on the timeline or maybe the Wild era is it’s own thing, after all being very different in almost every way from previous instalments.
EOW seems to be following a similar trend though it appears to be more directly story focused?
One thing is for sure, it seems to have a bit of everything from past titles, even Zelda wearing the hooded cloak gives off big Twilight Princess vibes.
It will definitely be interesting to see what happens in this new game and it’s great that there are an abundance of clans and settlements from what we can tell?
Personally I’m very excited for the Sheikah also making an appearance again.
@@Cosmosis-86 They have explicitly stated multiple times in the developer interviews that they want to leave the so-called 'official chronology' behind, and that for them, any relationship between the games is nothing more than an afterthought, and that the references are just there because they thought they would look cool to the players, not because they want to imbue further meaning into them. We have seen this time after time, and this very same TH-cam channel has videos covering some of these interviews. At this point, I am convinced that this community is in a severe case of denial.
Give the timeline nonsense a rest already.
I could see this being a game where Zelda needs to travel around a reunify the various races of Hyrule as a diplomat and ruler. That scene where the river and sea zora are having a meeting really tip me off to that maybe being the direction
Aw that sounds sick! Since BotW I've wanted to see more of the relationships between the tribes and species.
Legends tend to be vague and written by the victors. Then over time get jumble up with other legends that share similarities. Stories change over long periods of time. So Zelda creators place games loosely in a time line so we the gamers/online creators can try to place it in a time line to tell different storys(legends). Everone tends to play games different ways their story/legend will different. So a true perfect time line would be impossible to have like proving a legend that been pass down generations to be 100% accurate. People love to embellish stories as much as they love telling them. That one of my favorite part of the Zelda games it's your story play the way you want. And when theory come out try enjoy listening to them and comparing your experiences with game to see if it lines up .
I have 4 ideas of where in the timeline echoes of wisdom will be
1. Like you said in the video and most likely between a link between worlds and zelda 1 and the evidence you explained in the video
2. The game takes place between twilight princess and four swords adventures as the races line up between the 3 games and could explain how Hyrule became what it is in four swords adventures with the multiple rifts in Hyrule messing around with the geography
3. This takes place at the beginning of the downfall timeline and becomes the story of the imprisoning war as told in a link to the past since links not around and zelda could be gathering the sages to defeat ganon.
4. This could be the beginning of the new unified timeline and explain how botw and totk Hyrule became what it is through a timeline conversion
The imprisoning war seems very interesting, although and answer to finally know for sure how the botw timeline came to be sound great.
I think we need to know more about the setup of Echoes to confirm a true placement, specifically on what is going on with Link, Zelda’s crystal sealing, Ganon, Triforce whereabouts, and those rifts. Also, Echoes will most likely contain an origin story that sets up the world of the game. These are much more important than map placements in my opinion.
While Echoes is most definitely a downfall game, there are two issues that don’t make sense and simply don’t belong; The Great Deku Tree and the Gerudo. Hence, placing Echoes centuries after A Link Between Worlds doesn’t make sense unless there are multiverse shenanigans with those rifts.
The Great Deku Tree is inherently tied to Ocarina of Time and The Wind Waker (adult timeline). There are no plot threads whatsoever of the Tree in the other timeline branches. So for the Tree to suddenly appear in Echoes centuries after not appearing in any other previous downfall games does not make sense. Same thing with the Gerudos. They simply do not exist in the downfall timeline as far as we know, so for them to appear centuries later is just odd.
That’s why I feel that Echoes’ placement as a prequel to A Link to the Past might make more sense. It would be the first downfall game in the timeline after or even during the Imprisoning War. It’s plausible for the Tree and the Gerudo to remain in this prequel placement as it’s close after Ocarina of Time. It also fits the fact that both River and Sea Zoras are side by side, as eventually the River Zoras will be the dominant species in the downfall timeline.
Again, we need more information to process all this. What’s curious to me is how Ganon is easily defeated here and suddenly vanishes. He’s a much more powerful foe so something fishy is going on. I’m assuming that he’s Phantom Ganon and the real Ganon as usual is the puppeteer behind the rifts. Perhaps he’s trying to breakout from his seal in the Dark World, setting up the Imprisoning War and ALttP.
I've always liked the fan theory that the Hero of Legend's wish not only restores Hyrule in A Link to the Past, but also creates the Hero of Time to save the past, rather than the downfall timeline existing because of the defeat of the hero. It would be neat if this game has some kind of Easter egg to hint to this.
Kind of like a branching closed loop. The original defeat happened first, but ALTTP's wish causes all of the evil that befell Hyrules people to be erased upon activation. It wasn't the people of Hyrule's fault that they survived the line of events up until that point, so the Gods can't justify erasing them with a wish of good will. At the same time, the wish does work retroactively; thus OoT Link is sealed away instead of being allowed to age naturally for seven years and is made to follow the Sage's prophecy that has unclear origins.
I argue the opposite. I think this is the Dawn of the Downfall Timeline. Another direct Sequel to Ocarina of Time, but in the Downfall Timeline. *I think that Echoes of Wisdom is the Imprisoning War!*
My theory *that I based on someone else's from MANY YEARS AGO* At the end of this game, Zelda will send her memories back in time to the start of Ocarina, thus explaining why she doesn't trust Ganondorf.
I'm kinda leaning that way to an extent but not fully. It has elements that resemble OOT but elements that resemble many games, too. So I like the idea but I'm cautious.
With the resurgance of Hylia being a thing in this Hyrule. It would make more sense between TFH and Tragedy of Princess Zelda I + Zelda 1.
After all Hyrule entered a Golden Age or the Golden Era as HH called it. Hyrule would've most likely had a renaissance during this era and probably would've recovered knowledge of Hylia, same with ALttP/ALBW being expanded upon as the kingdom begins to grow again, which was halted for centuries due to the events between OoT and TFH. This would also explain the statue/trophy you find in Zelda II which now theorized to be a hylia statue by fans.
This could also work for a Post Zelda II scenario where Hyrule enters its Second Golden Age. Two Zelda are now in Hyrule, NES Link has become king and they have the full triforce to restore Hyrule to its glory days.
It looks as though you could also control link in this too
Best theory until now it explains the various races so love it
The purple rift reminds me of Tunic.
It could precede the DFTL, potentially the Death Mountain here erupts and flattens, and the lava flows redirect to the other mountain in the northeast. That could be Hebra Mountain or Mount Lanayru, but then become the new Death Mountain.
I think if it has a timeline placement at all it would be in downfall as that’s where the first Link game was set and it makes sense to call back to that for Zelda’s first game as well. The ruins East of castle town might be the crumbling remnants of the temple of time? I’m curious if we will get rito for the first time in a 2D zelda.
I believe the Zelda team did not give any thought on the timeline placement of this game. Nor will they think about the timeline in the future. Disappointing to some... but that's the most likely scenario.
Yup.
Miyamoto might disagree with that.
@@firionkaiser8291 Not at all. Miyamoto certainly cared about the individual stories within each game, and he also did think that there were a few cases where some games should be thought of as related. Ocarina of Time was originally motivated to be related to A Link to the Past, even though the final product ended up being completely unrelated. However, at the end of the day, there was never a unified chronology the development team had in mind when designing each and every game, and they have stated multiple times in their interviews that the chronology is nothing more than an afterthought for them. Also, Miyamoto is not leading the team anymore, so what he would have to say about this when it comes to Echoes of Wisdom is, frankly, irrelevant.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 You say all of those but Miyamoto was the one who even told Aonuma not too long ago to keep the timeline coherent which he said he would do. Despite what you say there was clear intent for each games placement and that can be seen without even needing the timeline confirmation interviews.
@@firionkaiser8291 I love how you said earier that Miyamoto would disagree, but now you are explaining how, actually, Aonuma would be the one to disagree, completely contradicting your narrative. You are not even capable of keeping the facts straight here. I suppose your understanding of the interview timeline is as much of a contradictory mess as the actual Encyclopedia chronology of the franchise.
If you go back to the beginning of tears of the kingdom, and you get the recall ability. Rauru tells you that “what you saw was a mystery, and that perhaps it was a sort of an echo - one that reflects her sheer will”. This makes sense as to why it’s called echos of wisdom.
love how chibi is making a comeback
I feel the timeline is more important than ever and I do not understand why people think Nintendo's ignoring it. The entire games are about the timeline now.
It would be interesting to get more Zelda games that switch up what we are used to seeing. We could get a 2 player game where you play as both Zelda and Link. We could get a game where somehow the triforce get switched around and Ganon gets courage, link gets wisdom and Zelda gets power or some other way to mix that up, this could affect the story in multiple ways, these being Zelda being evil with the triforce of power and the roles have all just swapped or ganondorf still being evil but using courage instead of power to do it. We could get a game where Zelda’s royal bloodline has been banished from the castle somehow and we have a Zelda who is merely a peasant girl, maybe not even named Zelda since she isn’t in the royal castle with their traditions anymore. Perhaps a royal family who fails to give birth to a girl and instead births the hero. A game where the gerudos have given birth to 2 boys instead of just one. Maybe only one can be ganon or maybe they are both evil lol idk.
I wonder if with this game they are testing having a playable zelda to see the reactions from people to decide to take it forward in some form again in a more established zelda like botw or TOTK
I think the game is in the child timeline after ganon gets the trident in fsa
this breakdown wants me to play it more. i was happy for a new LoZ. but...IDK....something felt missing. maybe its no sword? this helped that a little
ALSO....the derpy River Zora 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think the other races may have left Hyrule. 8:53 Hello there. I'm the Deku Tree's Obese Son.
I kinda assumed this was either post Triforce Heroes or simply post Link's Awakening.
What if it's multiple lands and brings them all together
Or hear me out, Nintendo doesn’t care about the timeline and just wants to make fun games.
Saying that botw and totk disregard the timeline is such a bad take
Seeing this footage side-by-side with A Link Between Worlds pains me 😩
I understand this artstyle’s being used for a 1-to-1 recreation of a grid-based Gameboy title, but the limitation didn’t have to be inflicted on a new Switch entry! A Link Between World’s art style, while imperfect, better compromised between realism and the cartoonish of its source material.
Why are we so sure its in the downfall timeline? I think its in the unified timeline somehow
Ganon is not in the Unified Timeline, only in the Fallen Timeline and in the Child Timeline (FSA), but the design is Fallen Timeline Ganon.
@@enforcerridley158 Well design wise yes, I agree. However Ganon can technically appear anywhere Ganondorf exists. They are the same, just different forms
The downfall timeline has the most games in which means it's easier to fit this one into that framework. Oracle games have this zelda design, both types of zora and gorons, this ganon design as well as the map.
@@isaiahreed6924 I mean it could be, but everyone is kinda assuming that its in downfall timeline and i personally think thats more because its a bit of a dumbster for 2d games nowadays. So everyone kinda just assumes thats where this one is, even though there is evidence against it. But thats just my personal thoughts on the matter. Might be wrong ofc
@TrinityProcessing I think that's on nintendo for making so many sequels to a link to the past, I mean, in order of release, zelda 1 and 2 are direct sequels. a link to the past is a prequel and the first mention of ganondorf. links awakening is a side story for a link to the past, and ocarina of time is supposed to be the backstory of a link to the past. Games that could be considered more ambiguous like the oracles games well seasons was a zelda 1 reference, so I guess they put it there and ages joined it and a lot of these games released before the other timelines were established
for better or worse i simply do not think Nintendo cares about the timeline or takes it into consideration at all when making Zelda games.
Ha! First!
I think they're moving away from the idea of a perfect timeline...
I personally like to think all the non-wild games are just connected myths or "legends" about a forgotten time. It's possible that said age of myth happened, just not one for one to the games, more like the amalgamation of all the games. Like how we view the Iliad and the IRL ruins of Troy.
Also... maybe lift this theory before I decide to ^v^
Okay bare with me here! What if, Echoes of Wisdom takes place just before breath of the wild and the rifts cause all the timelines to merge that's why you see gerudo, both types of zora, sheikah, Deku scrubs etc. in this game but also in botw and Totk! That would merge all the timelines and explain why the wild games also have elements from every Zelda!!!
The game isn’t even out and people are trying to find out the timeline placement
Yep. And they're doing it even as, in recent interviews, the developers have said that they are not interested in preserving any type of coherent chronology for the games, and that these games are not intended to fit any particular timeline. They find the concept tedious and an unnecessary limitation to their creativity. But, there will always exist a community of fans who will refuse to accept this. It is one of the more toxic aspects of the fandom, and one of the reasons why outsiders hesitate to try out the games and play them.
I mean it’s not that hard
@@angelmendez-rivera351 That only ever applied to BotW and TotK. They never said it would be that going forward for every game.
@@firionkaiser8291 No, your statement is false.
There is no timeline...
What if this is Zelda 3?
That's A Link to the Past.
This might take place after Zelda 2 the adventure of Link. Probably not.
@@enforcerridley158think they clearly obviously meant timeline wise are you stupid
I think zelda would have been better if they gave it the final fantasy treatment with the exception of direct sequels/prequels.
I mean, that is essentially the treatment they have tried to give it. The fans are just in denial about it, and this is ultimately why Hyrule Historia was created. And even then, the developers have said in recent interviews that they are basically disregarding the so-called 'official chronology' whenever they develop games. The chronology is, at best, an afterthought to them.
I mean, most games are direct sequels, tho the only real odd placement is 4 swords adventures. They definitely started with chronology, and people are just mad they made 3 direct sequels to ocarina of time that don't connect to each other.
@@isaiahreed6924 but like finish cap shares no continuity with skyward sword or ocarina of time. The original Zelda and Zelda II have little to do with anything. Once you get far enough down each timeline, they make less sense.
@evanmisejka4062 I mean a link to the past when it released was a prequel to zelda 1, such as the backstory for ganon. I think ocarina of time is the source of most problems. The timeline is kinda made to reflect the development period. In the downfall timeline, 4 of those games were released before ocarina of time and were directly related to each other. Ocarina of time's ending is incongruent with a link to the past's recollection of the sealing war, even though the developers stated that ocarina of time "deals with the imprisoning war from the super famicoms A link to the past". As for 4 swords, gba, in general, when the game was released, it was to be the first and Minish cap was a prequel to that game with the gamecube one being a sequel that takes place "sometime after that." Than skyward sword came out and became the new origin story. It probably just means that minish cap and 4 swords are after skyward sword but before ocarina of time, and the lack of references realistically can be explained by the fact that nintendo makes gameplay first story second but also that games could take place between skyward sword and the 4 swords games and ocarina of time.
Now that I think about it , the adult timeline is the easiest all games are direct sequels to each other. The child timeline aside from 4 swords adventures is also pretty simple with the heroes shade and songs from majoras mask and ganondorfs execution tying those games together. The downfall timeline games are the most similar as most are just related to a link to the past.
What if the Downfall timeline is the canonical one; and the split timelines are just Link's dying thoughts?
Would be better if something in DT led to the creation of the other two.
Can’t wait to speculate where the new Mario game fits into the Mario timeline 🤩
….so dumb.
Honestly, at this stage, Super Mario Bros. chronology would be more reasonable than a The Legend of Zelda one.
As an anti-timeliner, I've made the decision this is the last time I click on a timeline video. Only a boycott leads to change. Bye.
tbh I don't really like the graphics style. I get that they want to reuse the engine from Link's awakening, but this just isn't my cup of tea. I'd rather have played Zelda in the botw/totk engine.
It’s really nice to see both the River and Sea Zora come together in in this game. But what is issue both tribes are they facing? What are these two figuring arguing about?
They were fighting in Oracle of Ages, too. Actually I don't think there were friendly River Zoras in Ages.
Who is the better swimmers
I was about to say that the Deku tree was present in the Oracle games (I was thinking on Oracle of Seasons) then I followed that thought and remembered the one from oracle of ages and that they're not called Deku tree but Maku tree instead
It's most likely down fall timeline. The pink crystal gives me ocarina of time vibes as well as the fact that the design of zelda is also from ocarina of time. I thought originally maybe it's after ocarina, but before a link to the past , Oracles zelda also shares the same design as ocarina of Time zelda, so maybe it's an oracles sequel. That game also has both types of zora.
OOT Zelda was just an enhanced LTTP Zelda anyway. The Oracles kept that design and there's even unused Oracles Ganondorf design.
Im thinking its closer to the wild series
the entire video I was screaming "are we going to ignore the darn champion cloak?"
@@ShadowWalker-ng1itit looks nothing like the Champions tunic nor the Hylian cloak. The only similarity is it being a cloak, it's not even the same base colour.
I think so too. I think we're going to see the return of North (and maybe, hopefully East) Hyrule with Calta Canyon being bigger than in AoL but not the huge chasm we see in BotW.
@@n1nj4l1nkzonai bow looking ahh
I'm excited for the different variants of Zora- hoping Rito are also here but excited regardless lol
I think the presence of Rito would immediately almost confirm that this isn't the downfall timeline. But yeah it would be cool.
@@fabiomora6491or it would confirm that rito can exist outside the adult timeline fixing the botw timeline debates. Also this game is as equally likely as being post fsa.
@@fabiomora6491 Not neccesarily. Dont forget the Fokka exist and they're also a bird race that could've adopted the name.
A thought I just had is what if toward the end of echoes of wisdom you can get an echo of link. That could be part of an interesting final showdown with link and Zelda fighting together.
Oh yeah, aswell as we all know echo Impa in going be broken
Imagine beeing playing EoW and the suddenly BOOM that's Hateno Village and not Kakariko.
Here’s a crazy theory. Echos of Wisdom takes place at the end of the downfall timeline, but the rifts bleed into the other timelines. By the end of the game, the three timelines will merge into one timeline, which leads to BotW and TotK.
I'm thinking this is definitely plausible, but I don't think Nintendo would spell that out for us. I'm more thinking that we'll stop whatever crisis is occuring, but after having learned about the nature of that crisis are able to deduct that its in fact possible. For example, perhaps Ganondorf in another timeline places a wish that causes him to tap steal Demonic power from their timeline, or perhaps the wish will be for a Hero to appear and thus this Link is yanked to their timeline because he's already fulfilled his duty in this one. Nintendo rarely shows us the most tragic events happening directly (The Great Flood, the original Imprisoning War, TP's back story, suppression of the Gerudo, ect) but instead leaves it to our imagination. Breadcrumbs over giving you the whole cake upfront, so to speak.
Well this is a possibility. I too believe it could be after Zelda 2 (or in a separate timeline that spawns after the final battle of SS and leads to BotW and TotK).
If this happens, then congratulations, Nintendo. You successfully Dragon Broke the Lore.
I personally believe that BotW and TotK are placed at the extreme end of the timeline, recombining the split timeline into a single path. As such, to me, Echoes of Wisdom feels like it's the first game to solidly occur after the events of TotK, catapulting us into a new timeline cycle. Thus why it's _"echoes"_ and not something more conceptually concrete. The "echoes" of the previous timeline have ended, and it is only the wisdom gained from surviving beyond the chronologic restart that allows Hyrule to thrive once again.
Except that that would mean Hebra and Death Mountain switched places. Then again, the Great Plateau seems to've switched places with the Lost Woods, so who knows?
I’m so excited I also think it’s after Tri-Force Hero’s but maybe a possibility after Four Swords Adventure’s in the Child Timeline. 🤔
People can say what they like but I will never abandon the timeline! Trying to fit the (admittedly awkwardly shaped) pieces together is part of what makes Zelda so interesting to me, whether or not the devs intend those pieces to fit.
Its kinda crazy when you think about it, I remember some DT haters saying that Zelda being in a crystal was plothole for the Downfall timeline to happen. Then this new Zelda game shows Link managing to break Zelda out a crystal via a bow and arrow. Said crystal was made by a Ganon who is stronger than his OoT self. You can pretty much headcanon that OoT Link managed to break her out with the same method via Light arrows or any arrow for that matter.
I had actually planned for scenario like that to play out for OoT Link and OoT Zelda in my Imprisoning War novel via a backstory/memory. Its kinda crazy to see Nintendo actually do something that can be argued for another section of Zelda lore. Since we dont know if Link actually died when he lost, its plausible outcome.
This may not be important but in the Impa cut there’s a Goddess Statue in the backround
This game should definitely go to the Downfall Timeline.
It's before because in the original timeline, Zelda was the hero.
Just downloaded links awakening. The next game looks interesting so imma keep my eye on it.
I think exactly the same: This game takes place between Tri Force Heroes and The Legend of Zelda. It's a new Link (despite looking and having the same voice as Link's Awakening Link), a new Zelda and a new Ganon. The adventure of this Link was already about to end when Ganon played his wild card, which started a whole new adventure for Zelda. Since she's not a fighter (and has never been in any canon title), she'll use the powers of Tri to forge her path and save Link. Also, I feel like Ganon faked his death, since Link did not use any of the three weapons that are known to be able to damage him: The Master Sword, silver arrows or light arrows.
Looking forward for more information. Thank you for this video! I made mine too!
I disagree with this being a new Ganon, since OoT Ganon keeps coming back in the DT, but I agree with most of what else you've said.
Although a couple things like her hood and links bow look very BOTW/TOTK like, maybe they are finna pull some confusing mess mix of them like botw
Definitely not a new Ganon considering Zelda 1 Ganon's origins are both OoT + ALttP.
@@watchfbro if the Rito show up I’m gonna lose it 😂
@@PARK-sy3tf the would mean there’s every type of zora
strictly speaking gerudo were in 2 2d zeldas.... but no one seems to count the Cadence of Hyrule
Because Cadence of Hyrule is non-canon. As much as I love all the lore references in that game.
That said, the multiplayer Zelda games are also very sketchy on the canonicity of them. FS has virtually no story but its still listed as a canon game. FSA is clearly internally a direct sequel to FS despite where it was placed on the timeline, and it bridges the gap between FS and LTTP. Tri-Force Heroes barely has any story, and them dropping it after LBW because it uses the LBW engine is incredibly lame and stupid.
Despite this, these games are considered canon by the developers.
Cadence is Not a The Legend of Zelda Game :)
@@commonwealthrealm it's more zelda than some of the stuff put out on the official canon if we look at the actual game experience.
@@shadeblackwolf1508 Not really relevant here.
great video, hope you're doing well... cheers mate! 🍻
Thanks, you too!
This seems to me like it could be another timeline split similar to after Ocarina but instead at the end of Link to the Past. Everything from having Zelda be the protagonist etc to me suggest alternate timeline
Personally, I'm just hoping for more zonai lore. I really loved them, and seeing the similar symbol on the cloak is making me foam at the mouth.
Here’s a small (and maybe inconsequential) question:
Why is the “ZELDA” written in the decayed font from BOTW/TOTK?
The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom might have a Timeline placement. and it's a Child Link Era and Not a Downfall.
I think the time line doesn't matter anymore and it's just the order they were created in real time in the real world...
So far, my only regret is they didn't put my name in the credits(which I paid for), and I didn't get my physical merch yet. Gotta say, though, this is a good suikoden game. I think I had more fun with the side content ratherthanthe main story. My enjoyment for the main story was putting together new teams. There was just no DESTINY aspect to the game. The primal rune lenses are just pure power, no sentience, or at least they didn't show it. My main character was bland, not enough drama or hardship, no destined hero that gets a super amazing rune. Nowa and Seign are NOT Riou and Jowy, not even a lil bit.
I don't like how Eiyuuden constantly reuses things from suikoden. Elves to the rescue, fight the vampire, beat by beat they copied suikoden 1 and 2. Also, the war battles, what happened to rock,paper,scissor combat?
All my issues, i love the game, and it's a great entry in suikoden franchise.
I'd usually agree that Nintendo wouldn't care too much about the timeline placement based on recent stuff - but the fact that they bother updating the official Zelda website's timelines (even if it is just with BotW and TotK at the ENDS)... makes me feel like they might subtly update it with EoW too and are considering it's placement more than those two games (not w/ any priority of course, gameplay first).
You make a compelling argument. I'm not certain that this is a new Link/Zelda, as they might by the same as A Link Between Worlds. But there's no evidence for/against that, either. But I have lost all hope that the Zelda team cares about the actual lore after TotK. They gave the fanbase the middle finger.
I personally believe that the dragon tears in TOTK are the start of the downfall timeline. Retconning the retcons made by OOt and SS
More likely this game bridges the gap between A link between worlds and BOTW giving us a glimpse into the transitory phase between lorule as we knew it and the depths.
I want Zelda to wear her royal dress in the endgame, is not like the wizars cloak isn't cool, but the other is just holy as Zelda herself, and Holy is my favourite element in RPGs
I really think it's directly after oot and is the start of the downfall. The map doesn't exactly match up but neither did WW or TP that have confirmed placements
What if this is the game who actually converge the timelines? After all we have stuff from Botw, and Hyrule warriors is not canon...
It could be anywhere really because you don’t see the Deku Tree move, sadly this means it could be dead from OOT
I wonder if Zelda will speak in this adventure, it’s weird because link was silent because he was a link to the player.
Could either be anywhere in the downfall timeline after A link to the past or Four swords adventures
I hope Zelda gets different outfits and that we don’t have to wear the hood all through the game… 😔
i think people just need to forget all this "timeline" bs...
notice how the zora constructions look like totk's water temple ones
NINTENDOES WHAT NINTENWANTS
Details of the timeline are going to be in the TotK Masterworks book
Source?
I can't tell where it would take place, I feel like if it were between ALBW and Links Awakening it wouldn't make sense since you cant see Death Mountain or the Deku Tree in ALBW, it has to take place after ALBW in some way
that ui was thinking, the kingdom is in a new peace hyrule castle town have been form or resettle
I think it is closer to the downfall timeline that takes place A Link between worlds.
I'd say I'm 100% sure it's in the downfall timeline I don't think there's anything against it not being in the Downfall timeline
Meh Deku scrubs possibly as they are only in the original and child timeline. However it’s may just be more a OOT-MM thing
Oracle games have deku scrubs
I'm pretty sure TotK blew timeline placements wide open for future games as I believe that Zelda travelling back in time to the era of the Zonai created a whole new timeline (in which Botw and TotK take place), just as Link's time travel in OoT created the previous three timelines.
In this new timeline I believe that significant events similar (but not identical) to the three other timelines all took place in a single timeline, resulting in the similarities and references to all three timelines that we see in BotW and TotK.
What this means for new games is that just because they share similarities to other games does not mean they occur in the same timeline... they could easily take place around a similar point in the fourth timeline.
This essentially allows Nintendo to easily slot new games into the timeline wherever they want without having to worry about established canon, and I think that's what they've done with EoW, with the Sheikah lamp and hat supporting their placment in the fourth timeline.
Beyond that, it does seem likely that EoW would take place in this fourth timeline's equivalent of the Golden Era for most of the same reasons as explained in the video (although a fourth timeline placement would make some of the points less relevant).
Thats gonna really suck considering they indicated that the two games take place after one of the branches
It really just created a timeloop between the dawn of the kingdom and the very end of Hyrule's history (the wild era) leaving any title in-between intact
@@Mauricio0973 Again thats assuming said dawn of the Kingdom isn't just a refounding after all the rest of the games.
I love zelda get back the triforce.
I was scared when botw and totk came put because I barely could find some reference to it
I"m excited for the new zelda game echoes of wisdom! and i will make sure i get the game on my switch when it comes out in september:)
You placed it exactly where I did after my look at things XD
I think this game is in a unified time-line maybe after Tears of the Kingdom, because that sword and bow that Link has at the beginning of the trailer looks Zonai to me...
The guards also look the same as in botw and totk
YES! I saw that at the first watch and wondered what else we would see, the gerudo we see for a second also looks like the guards from botw and totk.
The hibernation is over bois sooner then expected
I don’t believe 4sa is after twilight princess regardless what Nintendo tells us
Exactly. FSA is a prequel to LTTP. Everything says as such. And its a direct sequel to FS. Its placement in the "official" timeline doesn't make any sense. They should have just committed to the retcon that OOT was no longer the direct predecessor to LTTP and be done with it.
FS allegedly placed before OOT when it was first released, but nothing in FS placed any sort of timeline period on it. Frankly, lore-wise it makes perfect sense that it could be placed anywhere in the timeline. As long as its right before FSA. (TMC on the other hand simply needs to be pre-FS, it doesn't have to be right before FS. And frankly I don't think TMC needs to be pre-OOT either.)
@@JaidynReiman I find it interesting it’s the only game where “ganondorf “ has been reincarnated. Most games it ether the same ganondorf. Or a timeline version of ganondorf/ ganon. Or he’s been resurrected as ganon again. Not once was he reincarnated back to ganondorf
@@RichardGlover-h2oThat's because he probably wasn't intended to be in that game. The only reason that idea even appears is because of simple dialogue from the Gerudo. A slight change in dialogue and it can just be a resurrected/unsealed Ganon once again.
That simple dialogue made them put FSA after TP. That said I think if they were that concerned about it the rest of the Downfall games should have been post FSA as well.
@@JaidynReiman I’m writing a book based off a connected timeline. And no matter what I do. I don’t agree with anything on fsa. It just messes the story up for no reason. So I’m just not writing it in.
I mean it is after twilight princess soooooo
thank you.
I can agree with this being after ALBW and Triforce Heroes for all the reasons you mentioned. Hyrule seems to be advancing. Kakariko village has grown, and the castle now has a castle town.
But there are several things that, if this is to take place later in the timeline, that the downfall timeline (or the majority of it) will be reframed as a prequel and precursor to Ocarina of Time.
This game sees the Gerudo arriving in Hyrule, and the sea Zora immigrating from other lands to live alongside their river brethren. And if these two groups of Zora were to begin procreating with each other, then it makes perfect sense why we see Sea Zora living at the base of a river in Ocarina of Time. And the guards of Hyrule and Zelda herself also appear more similar to how they do in Ocarina. And of course, an early Castle Town establishment and growing Kakariko could easily grow to what they are in Ocarina.
And the maps... Are pretty similar, too. This game seem to be taking the ALTTP and ALBW map and expanding it. We know this because Death Mountain is there, but it wasn't in either of those other games. And from the look of it, it seems like it lies beyond the borders of the maps of those other games. And the Great Deku tree also appears for the first time in the downfall timeline, and he looks almost exactly like his Ocarina of Time counterpart. The placement of the Lost Woods in both ALTTP/ALBW and Ocarina of Time may seem like it wouldn't work with Echoes of Wisdom, but in Ocarina of Time, the Kokiri Forest seems to spread on for a long ways, possibly to the point of nearing Kakariko Village and Death Mountain. So assuming (based on very little) that the Lost Woods/Korkiri Forest is also going to be greatly expanded in this game, then if we just take the map for ALTTP/ALBW, extend the borders a bit to account for Death Mountain and the rest of the Lost Woods, and them mirror that map and rotate it evver so slightly, and it lines up pretty well with Ocarina of Time.
We can't know for sure until the game comes out, but I actually kinda like the idea of some of the downfall timeline games coming BEFORE Ocarina of Time.
Considering OoT is still intended to be origin of Ganon from ALttP and ALttP itself was the origins of Ganon in Zelda 1, this already doesnt seem to be the case.
There's already blaring problems with any DT game becoming Pre-OoT and that mainly has to do with the triforce. The triforce remains untouched after the events of the Interloper War. OoT Rauru built the Temple of Time with the Master Sword being the that leads to the Sacred Realm and the Triforce. This all happened before Hyrule Kingdom's establishment and its earliest conflict, The War of the Bound chest mentioned in Minish Cap. The Triforce wouldn't be touched again until the events of OoT and thats only thanks to OoT Link in terms of the DT and AT. Its pretty clear the DT games are closely connected aside from the fact they all feature the same Ganon.
Between TFH and TToPZI + Zelda 1 makes sense because it would at least take place during Hyrule's Golden Age/Era where Hyrule would've grown due continuous prosperous use of the Triforce prior to the events of TToPZI. After all Hyrule in the DT hasnt had a Hyrule since events of OoT (or maybe even the Imprisoning War). Even Post Zelda II would work due Hyrule entering a second golden age with two Zeldas, a full triforce and NES Link becoming the next king of hyrule.
@@firionkaiser8291 That's a lot of assumptions with a lot of references to things that didn't happen in game. If you disagree with my idea, that's fine. But I'm at least trying to come up with something that makes sense, instead of accepting random bits of Hyrule Historia info as 100% canon that can't ever be changed.
Besides, most of the downfall timeline games were placed where they are because 1. Nintendo themselves didn't know where they went, and 2. As fans were cobbling together their own versions of what the timeline was, those games in that order was something that consistently popped up. It doesn't make any of it true, though.
I don’t care about the timeline. All I care about is a gameplay the makers of Zelda already see it that they don’t even consider the timelines at all. Just a good gameplay nice about your series in the end. The game is that’s all that matters.
Them not letting the timeline constrict them his unique to BotW and TotK. Miyamoto especially has cared about the timeline since the days of Zelda II. The timeline we have now is based off where they confirmed each game takes place before the Historia even released.
I mean, good for you but there's a lot of people who does care about it lol
I think we need to abandon the Zelda timeline. It hasn't made sense in a while, and TOTK completely broke it. Let's just enjoy Zelda games for what they are. For what it's worth, this game does seem to share a lot of cues of the downfall timeline, but I don't think its placement within that timeline really matters.
The timeline always made sense loosely for some games, but they blew it up trying to make it "official". The "Downfall" split is utter garbage and FSA being in a different timeline from LTTP is also utterly stupid, too.
Well we're getting a new official timeline soon.
That said even though I agree people take it too seriously I still love the timeline. In a loose sort of way, while acknowledging that every new game will retcon it again.
How about no!
@@__Soya__We're getting a TOTK Master Works but that doesn't confirm a new timeline.
There is no lore anymore and if you try to make a lore theory it’s as good as fan fiction
It could be that this game is a combination of the three timelines.
Look it’s cool that games like OOT/MM are connected to twilight Princess but we’ve reached a point where the timeline is such a mess they we need to let it die and just accept the every new hero from this time forward is its own legend.
Imma be real the zelda timeline isn't a mess kingdom hearts has a confusing timeline. Most comic books have a confusing timeline. Most zelda games are direct sequels that are grouped together
Guys. There is no timeline. Give up already. It’s been clear for YEARS. I just ascribe to the idea that the stories are legends we’re being told. And like real legends, information isn’t always accurate.
Exactly what I have been saying.
Stupid comment
Isn’t anyone tired of the standard Dessert, Volcano, Ocean/Lake/ mountainous settings? I think we are in need of something entirely new
And...what else are they supposed to do?
@@michaelbailey1242 make more whimsical settings
@@dreamerguy96like fantastical?
@@watchf yes
@@dreamerguy96 well I looked like in the trailer there was some type of environment in the rift which is I guess atleast somewhat refreshing
another game where i can give the controller to a monkey and it will solve every dungeon by spamming beds and chairs. Thats true creativity, right? Its fun?
I always wanted the last bastion of intricate puzzle boxes to fall. 2D Zelda games were always boring you know, nobody likes them and they need to change completely
also who needs great sprite art when you can make your epic adventure game look like plastic toys?
I don't think the Zelda team cares about the Zelda timeline they just care about making a good game