Arab Countries post-World War II - COLD WAR
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- Our series on the history of the Cold War period continues with a documentary on the history of the Arab countries after World War II
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Sources:
Karol R. Sorby - Great powers and the Middle East after World War II (1945-1955)
James McDougall - History and the Culture of Nationalism in Algeria
H. Duncan Hall - Mandates, Dependencies and Trusteeship
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Nice videos till now, can you please cover :
Operation cyanide
Lavon affair
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Britain: So France what levels of independence are you going to grant to your colonies?
France: No
I know you are making a joke but Britain wasn't very happy to give up their colonies either. Though Britain was much more willing to do so then France was, since Britain wanted to keep America happy with her more then France cared to. But it really should have been the other way around. Since France had just experienced what it was like being ruled over by another country in WW2 we would think that France would have been much more understanding in giving her colonies independence.
You're 100% right. Britain wasn't goody two shoes about having a giant empire spanning the world. I personally love baguette land but that doesn't make it safe from the occasional joke.
@@PhillyPhanVinny Which comes off as hypocritical of Charles de Gaulle considering his support for Quebec independance later on.
@@resileaf9501 non
*_Germany fucked France, thankfully._*
Hmm that Muammar Ghadafi fella sounds interesting. I wonder if he will have any impact on future events....
Aviation lord I really don’t think he will, he’s only a Colonel after all.
He sounds like nice dude, would suck if he did anything fuck up
Rehan Zainul Abdeen I hope he doesn’t change the Libyan flag
He was literally bayonet fucked to death. I can’t even imagine.
One of the few Arab leaders who realised Baathism doesn't work.
Hate to be that guy, but Western Sahara (included in your maps together with Morocco) was controlled by Spain, not France. Spain also held the Rif region in the country's north.
And south Sudan was part of Anglo-Egyptian Sudan.
Thankyou for saving me a comment
It is shown correctly at 14:00.
The Spanish zone in Morocco also included a strip of territory in the south, next to Western Sahara. A bit further north, Spain also controlled the port of Ifni as a colony.
You should love being that guy 👍
This is just a minor mistake on the map, but Western Sahara was under Spanish control and not French 0:54
Spain also had some territory in the northern coast of Morocco.
No mention of Yemen and the First president of Egypt: Mohammad Naguib...
your Sudan map hasn't South Sudan, which only became independent in the 2010s.
your Morocco map has Western Sahara, which was still a Spaniard colony back then.
JoaoG R South Sudan was still part of North Sudan during and after the Cold War until 2010.
@@deniswood5271 exactly! the map they show has only nowadays Sudan.
South Sudan Nationalist confirmed?
Algeria wasn't a "colony" to France. They considered it as a part of France itself and ran it, and fought to keep it, as such. Tunisia and Morocco were just protectorates so it was easier to let them go.
It was administrated as such only in the large cities. Outside of Algiers and Oran, it was run much like any other colony. The only people who were treated like they were in France were the French settlers.
dude , stop your bull*** that's the same old flawed rethoric, they colonized Algeria, when it was in a state of full control they decided to declare it as 3 departments of France is their problem and utter bull****
@Yeahweat thebuffet FFS I wasn't "justifying colonization." I was stating how the French saw it which influenced their actions toward it. That's context which is needed for understanding, you should try it rather than accusing people of saying something they didn't.
@Yeahweat thebuffet Actually CreatorUser is right at the time Algeria was a French Department effectively making it apart of mainland France. It was run by a Prefect not a Governor-General like in the Colonial Federations of French West and Equatorial Africa. Also France didn't technically annex Syria and Lebanon they simply administered the region under a League of Nations mandate. Not justifying colonialism just stating that they're were differences in status throughout the French Republic's colonial empire.
Algeria was invaded in 1830 as a defensive war
Trust me, you're almost there. The gestures are much better, the presentation is much more lively. Now someone needs to tell the sound manager to increase the volume, and we'll be set.
Thanks in advance.
The presentation has improved
Now I'm distracted by the gestures.
Oh, so I am not the only one... the presenter is a bit try hard ... he should be more simple, without the gestures and all of that. Other then that, well done.
I also think they need to do more than one episode a week given how large and complex the Cold War was.
@@vladardelean4970 No, you're not. He looks and sounds... weak. Simply because I can't think of a more appropriate word.
I am preparing for a big exam in Cold War history, especially with an emphasis on the Third world countries. Your channel was a great discovery and is helping me massively. Keep up with a great work :)
I feel as though this episode is a step in the wrong direction after the recent Iranian, Gouzenko and Operation Unthinkable videos. In addition to the errors on the map others have noted (Western Sahara being French controlled; Sudan somehow having its post-2011 borders), there is some pretty egregiously lazy editing of the stock footage. For example, around the seven minute mark David is talking about Arab attitudes towards the Soviets, but the footage is of students and tutors in Oxford or Cambridge in England! The beginning of the discussion about Lebanon after the 12 minute mark shows a U-boat firing its deck gun and German soldiers firing their kar98s, neither of which has anything to do with the topic at hand. Additionally, while I'm sure the British had flimsy prop-driven biplanes at Habbiniyah at some point right after the Great War, they certainly did not when they tried to negotiate a new treaty with the Iraqis after World War II. Yet that's the footage we see after the nine minute mark. Mentions of rioting in Baghdad after the four minute mark is accompanied by random footage of men marching through snow.
I understand that virtually all stock footage is to some extent a contrivance. Most World War II documentaries use propaganda footage to illustrate panzer divisions on the march, for instance. With very few exceptions (the explosions of the Hindenberg and the battleship Barham come to mind) there is some artificiality if not fabrication of most footage from these time periods. However, I can't see much excuse for not bothering to align the footage with what is being described onscreen. It's as though some editing assistant just queued up some licensed newsreel footage from British Pathe or whoever, saw that "Iraq", "Egypt" or "Lebanon" was somewhere in the title, and then just used part of that newsreel regardless of whether the clip was relevant or not. I can't make sense of what I'm seeing onscreen otherwise, and I'm frankly disappointed.
Very well said.
This would led to the Suez Canal Crisis
I think Egypt will cave too the British, and French.
Love the fact that you guys have dedicated an entire Chanel to the cold war. Keep up the amazing work!
You should do a video about the Lebanese civil war that ended when the cold war ended an interesting topic full of twist and turns .
Good info as always, glad to see you correct your mistakes when you can and the positive peer-review in the comments. Nobody and nothing is perfect, but your channels always do great work
I think the 1948 war was glossed over a bit too quickly here
Abdelhamid Metwally 1948 will live on forever in the sore butts of Muslims. But in reality it was just refugees that the surrounding Arab states, who insisted on the war, refused to accept.
Another outstandig job. thanks
that power-sharing agreement in lebanon sounds so reasonable, I'm sure everyone will get aloh god why is everything on fire
Nice video, I hope you cover the Gulf States,Horn of Africa, and Yemen seperately.
What about Arabia ? Independence movements, Yemen civil war Gulf Arabs alliance with the western world ?
1. Saudi Arabia was independence since the aftermath of WW1. 2. Yemen civil war and Gulf alliance with the west is a bit far ahead
@@oakoakoak2219
Saudi Arabia was officially established in 1932 .
@@oakoakoak2219 saudi arabia wasn't colonised but it was a reunifacation since there were 2 Saudi states before
Saudi arabia was neutral actually
Interesting Fact: Gaddafi got his military training from Turkey
Knew parts of this history. But the rest not so much. Thanks for filling in a few blanks. My thanks to those who made this video a reality.
In january im writing my bachelor thesis on the soviet influence in the arabian Peninsula so thank you for this video, also the western sahara was spanish not french
a quick question as the war progressed will you change the leader portraits i.e kennedy and khrushchev during cuban missile crisis?
Communist Patrick Your profile picture is crused
@@abandonedchannel281 i prefer blursed
the algerian war of independence cost the lives of one million and half not 150000
I have a basketball game tomorrow
@@m.w.6526 did you win?
I hope a video will come out for the Algerian war. One sentence describing it as brutal isnt enough.
It was during when wearing the Hijab was a "symbol of empowerment."
9:09 That flag looks like the flag Switzerland would get in Victoria 2 if they became Islamist (and if Islamist was an ideology in that game)
its frystrating how your playlist is not in oder
They completely gloss over the fact that South Yemen was a declared Marxist republic from 1969- 1991, as well as the British involvement in Dhofar. Surely this would be interesting in the context of the great power games of the Cold War?
Wow, democratic Syria, and it was overthrown by the CIA. That bit them back
Ya, but better then Communism.
@@fristnamelastname5549 there's no way to know that. What we do know is that American interference in the affairs of these nations has created today's state of affairs.
@@fristnamelastname5549 Idiot
It was only a matter of time before the state collapsed. muslims evidently can only manage dictatorships, and even then not for long.
@@fristnamelastname5549 -when was syria communist you interventionist-
Wow, this is like TimeGhost without Indy
I just noticed the red "hot line" on the table, cool touch. Film footage at five minutes is claimed to be Syria but looks a lot more like Morocco or Algeria to me. Only a few seconds though so hard to be sure, no shop signs or anything to check.
Perhaps you should have mentioned the sycs-pyco agreement with established some the arab countries
that was irrelevant in the time frame he mentioned
Nice video
Hope you guys will talk about UAE too and Sheikh Zayed
this is my great discovery, finding this channel as an IR student
Random question but does anyone know of what the speech was called that Nikita Krushev had made in 1961 about the african nations
Thank you, The Cold War.
Please talk about south east asia during this period. Vietnam dominated this subject because you know, Vietnam war
But i beg you to talk about this region during cold war
nah. I think a MAJOR WAR is not worth talking about......🙄🙄
@@darthcalanil5333 vietnam war is just basically a civil war between communist north n capitalist south
And i know that other countries in the region was overshadowed by this war, indonesia, malaysia phillipines etc
@@darthcalanil5333 Major war? Never heard of something like a "vietnam war" smh. I think they will only cover major and important conflicts of this period of time.
its a major war, lost of france and usa in indo china farmers lol
In the map about 1 minute in, Spanish possessions in what is now Morocco are indicated as French.
Iraq wasnt a colony during that time
Algeria spent 1 million and some thousands souls in the war with france (at least)
The power drift is adrift again fellas
Genuine question... is Tunisia supposed to be pronounced "Tyooneezshah" or "Tyooniseeah"? Or does it really matter?
Just say the Arabian version :Tunis lol
Nice videos till now, can you please cover :
Operation cyanide
Lavon affair
Swiss crisis
Interestingly enough, the USSR supported the creation of Israel and then in the '67 war the Russians (Soviets but I call em Russians cause I'm literally translating some convo I had with someone who fought that war) supplied most of the weapons for the Arabs. The '67 war already predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union way before Afghanistan ever became a thing. (the war not the country)
By that time all those soviet leaders were already dead, killed by their own comrades most likely. Different people, different ideas.
@@SpartaLeonidas Most of the Soviet leadership from 1947 was still alive in 1967 but no longer in power.
The one that pisses me off the most is what happened immediately to iran because had the US and UK not gotten rid of mossadegh then the country probably wouldn't have been anti western theocracy as it is right now
Please cover the Ogaden conflict.
You left the most interesting country in the Arab world during Cold War ie Yemen
Most interesting things require their own videos :)
The Cold War Atta boy.
What about arabia and yemen and the gulf states they also called arab
Only saudi and were part of the cold war
The newsreels in this series are crazy. They have nothing to do with what is being said! Where do you get them from? At 9:56 there are WWI airplanes that have nothing to do with post-WWII Egypt. I'd hate to see you guys do a video on the US Auto industry. Pretty sure you'd mention ford and show a circus clown on a unicycle!
Please make video on India during Cold War 1.0
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12:51 22 November 1943 was when Lebanese independence was declared, but (correct me if I'm wrong) the French didn't declare the mandate over until 1945, remove their troops in 1946.
there is a mistake in the map at the beginning of the video (colonization forces in norht africa)
The western Sahara which is now annexed by Morocco was under the dominance of Spain until the 70's and not colonized by France.
what's untold is how much the British and the Americans and the French were also undermining each other while jostling for control
my great uncle was in Libya in the 50s and 60s and lots of the American planes and helicopters "accidentally" got sand in their engines when the only other personnel around were British and they kind of avoided talking about it and changed up people's clearances
but it wasn't always a unified front
What exactly are you saying with sands?
This second war thing sounds like a big deal
1:16. Why is south Sudan not shown as part of the Anglo Egyptian Sudan?
Why does French Morocco include Western Sahara on your map? 15:42 Spain controlled Western Sahara.
6:52 Totally random Oxbridge footage
Really ? Getting the count wrong ? In the algerian war of independance 1.5 million died not 150 thousand. Only the french give that number in order to make the war seem less brutal than it actually was
You forget Yemen Horn Africa And Arabia too and of south Sudan too these arab too
Palestine after the first Arab-Israeli War: So are we independent
Jordan: Well yes, but actually no
Use more maps, and less humans -> like K&G
In algeria its 1,5 millions deaths not 150K
To understand the position of France about Algeria's independence, it's important to precise that there were around 1 million French inhabitants in that colony. They were of French origin, but most of them were born in Algeria. If I remember correctly, there were around 7 millions Arabs and Berbers at the same time. The local population was also far from united.
Algeria had a special status in the empire, as it was not organized like other colonies, but in 3 "départements", like in mainland France.
Eventually, the French population had to flee the country and became refugees. And the tribes who had supported the French during the war of independence were simply abandoned.
During the war of independence, no good solution was possible. Any outcome would have left some part of the Algerian population in trouble.
Do you think Egypt could've held onto Sudan even if Britain had recognized it as part of Egypt? Thank you for another informative video!
Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you, friends. ✝️ :)
I highly believe so, had Sudan stayed part of Egypt; there wouldn't have been the numerous civil wars and insurgencies that had plagued them ever since + Egypt would have been much richer than it is now; just compare Egypt with Sudan and you'll see that Egypt, despite the numerous wars and occasional revolutions, had always been much more successful and stable than Sudan (we have never descended into a civil war, unlike all our neighbors post 2011, and we have never been a source of refugees plaguing Europe unlike the Levantines)
@@egyptianempire3639 How ethnically distinct are Egypt and Sudan? I know very little about Sudan. Thank you for the answer!
@@Numba003 That I do not know, but I know for one thing that Sudan has always been historically dependent on Egypt for its survival (we provide them with food and multiple forms of aid; they study in our universities; and most importantly, we are their only way to trade with Europe since we have the Mediterranean shores and port facilities that they lack), so regardless of the ethnicity question I still believe that had Sudan been annexed by Egypt it would have been much better for both countries + Sudan was part of the Egyptian Empire at some point in history
@@egyptianempire3639 I'll have to do some reading about Sudan sometime. Thanks again for the answers. God be with you, friend. ✝️ :)
@@Numba003 Thanks!
I give tumb upe becouse i see picture of grat Stalin in wall
Will you also do a video about Turkey's entry into NATO and the threat of an soviet invasion, the Turkish straits crisis
etc. followed up by another video about the Cyprus crisis?
It looks odd having the speaker look off camera at lines to read. Highly recommend you practice lines and take some time to do editing work in order to fully address the audience. Great material, poorly delivered.
i want to rebuild a nation someday. i wonder if the CIA would have me
When your hands went ⬆️⬇️⬆️⬇️⬆️⬇️🔄🔄🔄 I felt that
what about the rest of africa during this period of time?
0:55 jesus christ what the fuck is that map
That is last clip I watch from guy.
Jordan invaded Judea & Samara (that are its names) and result gave citizenship to Arabs living there, while 1M were forced to leave the Arab world.
U.k. and France tell the arabs what to do and the Americans tell the French and uk what to do
The war in Algeria should be better discribed as war of independence rather than civil war !!
We demand Greek Civil war!
It would be exiting to watch if you could make a video on India-Pakistan war of 1971
as Soviet Union supported India while America backed Pakistan.
As well as the 1962 Indo-China war
What about the clash between the Royal Army and the Egyptian police that would lead to the Cairo fire , the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, the Suez crisis impact on Egypt, the Yemen war, and many other important events that were glossed over or not mentioned?
Hard too think that this all started with Indy Niydal and the "Great War".
Do cover Saudi Arabia's founding
I hate how everyone keeps saying "America Supports Democracry" despite Crushing Democracy in The Third World
What democracy? muslims have never had a functional democracy. the idiotic dogma of their paedophile prophet precludes them from intellectual development.
That is an area that the West will never allow democracy,competent and popular governance.
SYKES - PICOT!! How can it be left out??? Also, your narrative (even from a Westerner perspective) is extremely blend and accommodating vis-à-vis the Colonial Powers (or the USA). Indeed, what about Saudi Arabia or Iran? Although not technically Arab, the latter is an important piece of Middle-Eastern post-WW2 history.
They did a whole episode on Iran, what are you talking about?
@@FrazzP you are absolutely right I didn't see the video on Iran - however, the main point stands: Sykes-Picot? Is there a separate video on that?
@@fedethefico This is about the aftermath of WWII, so I don't think they're going to talk much about the aftermath of WWI. Just briefly say at the beginning of the video that the Ottomans collapsed and the British and French took over.
that was irrelevant in this time frame
None of the countries mentioned is arab. Arabia is were the arab countries are. Countries outside of Arabia are just arabic speaking countries. When i read the title i expected Saudi Arabia yemen oman and the gulf countries.
In that case, what do you consider Levantine Arab peoples if they are not genetically Arabic as you say?
@@JockMatrix it's best to consider them as syrians or Palestinians and such.
The levant is a very mixed place you have people with kurdish turkish circassian armenian egyptian greek persian berber and arabian ancestory. The region was conquered many times by many different peoples.
@@abdullahshah9397 I get what you are saying there regarding the Levant. So do you think Palestinians for example are more Greek, or a mix of Greek and Arabic so to speak?
@@JockMatrix Palestinians are mostly of kurdish origin saladin settled them in the cities. There are those of arab origin mostly in the north and turkmen in the countryside. There are other groups such as circassians who were settled by the ottomans to defend againsts arab Bedouin raids from arabia. Anyhow all of them are arabic speakers.
I agree with you, it's about time we realize that the pan arabist project was simply deemed to fail from the start due to the inherently tribalistic nature of Arabs themselves, as in Peninsular Arabs, so imagine forcibly making North Africans consider themselves Arab, extremely ridiculous...
Us, North Africans, would be better off if we embrace our organic national identities, while at the same time acknowledging our ties to the Arabs due to historical reasons, but under no circumstances shall we be considered "Arabs"
YES.NASSER'S COMING IN
The only stable country is an absolute monarchy.... Maybe feudalism wasn't so bad
The most stable and least corrupt countries are representative democracies, presidential or monarchical
Who cares about stability when basic rights are non existent? You just made the perfect case for USSR. Most stable economy and fast growing till late 70`s
@@general2109 like whom? Britain? US? Or maybe France?
@@jimtroy4380 Because instability leads to war, like has always happened all over the planet
15:20 Please note, that Algeria led an independence war against France, so it wasn't a "civil war".Thanks.
America demolished an old empire (UK).
Many mistakes, also didn't talk about Oman UAE and Qatar and south Yemen nure about Egyptian Saudi sport for qazaier independence and the Iranian occupation of the two UAE islands
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You forgot to mention that France imposed keeping the French language a part of the educational system in the independence deals with Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. Lebanon was the only Christian majority nation in the region. And King Farouk of Egypt had one demand from his daughters, which was marrying a Muslim and all the three of them married Christian men. Also you didn't talk about how nationalist arabs kicked the Jewish communities out their homes.
Marcelo Henrique Soares da Silva Lebanon has always been a Catholic stronghold
@Marcelo Henrique Soares da Silva the problem is most of them left the country and succeeded in Latin America and North America. The root of the collapse are Christian leftists who sided with the Palestinians and the muslims against their own.
@Marcelo Henrique Soares da Silva No. That is factually incorrect.
Acctually 1.5 Million People Died in The Algerian War
Hand gestures are kinda awkward my guy.
CIA, suspicious as usual
You cant give history lessons without any dates. How is someone suppose to follow?
They will pay back soon these colonies who agrees this
I feel a pro British wrighting on this one
Your head position makes you look like you are drowning and is irksome to watching it.
You really couldn’t find a narrator that knows how to pronounce an English R??
Well maybe you should have mentioned that the reason why france opposed algerian independence so vehemently is because Algeria had a big french local born population and was not a colony but a part of mainland france, and that the independence of Algeria was followed by extensive genocide and ethnic cleansing of the european and jewish population, the same that happened in other arab countries.
But hey, you can't expect a "respectable" youtube channel not to have an anti-western bias
If that was true then why weren't Algerians given full citizenship rights?