Great explanation of the 'what' and the 'how'. Not quite sure about the 'why' though (except, of course, for bragging rights back at the beach 😁). EDIT - I see my question is already answered below (in response to Colorado Mike).
Damn, your tutorials are so great!! This one came up just in the right moment. Thanks! Quite nice also to have the whole spot to yourself in Cape Town Winter 😉
Thanks Enrique, glad my timing was good. Yes, Milnerton aquatic club hasn't been so busy this winter. Especially in that corner as you have to dodge the weeds. I was taken out by weeds a few times trying to get these clips.
Great vid!. IMHO you do not need to go faster than the wind to pull this one off,thankfully. Very few people go past 20kt on a foil, even 15kt requires lots of carving finesse in chop.
Quite surprised you haven't mentioned hand placement, you cannot do this transition with your front hand upside down. Many people ride this way as it's ergonomically better but you have to switch to knuckles up prior to gybing.
The Heineken jibe does let you carry a lot of speed and is frequently used in racing. With a standard jibe there are some challenges with riding faster than the wind. Also, it's fun to learn, as it's much more fluid than the standard jibe.
@@kitesurfcollege I can see that! Looks fun, and I can see the purpose behind it with high speed riding and back wind issues. Thanks for the response and the videos! Always the most excellent content!
@@stefsen Thank you, it also helped me to whip my arm further away from my body and over my head but yeah, I think that I had a problem with the speed.
I admire everyone trying to copy the HJibe and I'm trying it myself with some success on one tack at least, but this video is not quite accurate. Before one even thinks of doing the flip thing Hjibe, one has to master the heel side carving jibe and do it at high speed. JH switches his feet before he enters the jibe. Actually, he does it while he is carving and enters the jibe heel side. I see him everyday here in SF and he always switched on both tacks. This assures that he's going as fast as possible and exits the jibe with speed. So if you want be like johnny, keep practicing and keep those things in mind. It's so sexy to do the JHjibe. Sail On!
hi there! i've been trying them for some sessions, but what inevitably happens is that at the 3rd part of the turn the wing turns upside down..... am i too slow? for this to happen one "needs" do get backwinded or am I wrong?
Quite surprised by what you call Heineken jibe. Johnny Heineken does it actually very differently using the same technique as jibing in kitefoiling race (where he comes from) pivoting a foil kite with the leading ALWAYS facing forward. So he first switch stance, then put the wing over head, engage the curve by pushing on his heels (backside) while pivoting the wing when passing full downwind. If you have any doubt, check how he does during the races in SF Bay, and check a video of kitefoiling racing jibe, that’s the same move.
In terms of speed, and other pros/cons, how does the Heineken Jibe compare with the 'race jibe', ie: the one that is reminiscent, at least in appearance, to a windsurfing 'laydown jibe' ?
In the races I've seen, the windsurf style race jibe is probably the least effective overall. It doesn't seem very effective for wing foiling. It slows down the swapping of hands and actually creates more drag if you're riding quickly and outpacing the true wind because the wing is not flagged out. The Heineken is best when covering more distance downwind and exceeding the wind speed and the standard wind foil jibe seems best for a tighter turn with less speed. The main advantage to the wing foil lay down jibe that I've found is that it's good prep for learning to be backwinded.
@@kitesurfcollege That makes sense. Different scenario from windsurfing where some amount of oversheeting and lay down is necessary to spill power and keep the clew out of the water when you are lit. Thanks for the insights..
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Top explanation, was able to do some in light wind. It so nice when the wing comes around full of energy for the new track. Thank you.
Great explanation of the 'what' and the 'how'. Not quite sure about the 'why' though (except, of course, for bragging rights back at the beach 😁).
EDIT - I see my question is already answered below (in response to Colorado Mike).
Damn, your tutorials are so great!! This one came up just in the right moment. Thanks! Quite nice also to have the whole spot to yourself in Cape Town Winter 😉
Thanks Enrique, glad my timing was good. Yes, Milnerton aquatic club hasn't been so busy this winter. Especially in that corner as you have to dodge the weeds. I was taken out by weeds a few times trying to get these clips.
Very nice step by step explanation and pountng tô typical erros...thanks
Great video..!! As always!! Thank you so much... you have helped me a lot during my wingfoil learning process..
amazing tutorial, thanks for the wing series, it helped me a lot
Great tutorial once again! As a beginner I tend to go really fast anyway so I will give this a try. 😅
Thankyou and good luck with it. Please do take it easy and try in light wind first.
Great vid!.
IMHO you do not need to go faster than the wind to pull this one off,thankfully.
Very few people go past 20kt on a foil, even 15kt requires lots of carving finesse in chop.
Im sure it helps to be in CT when practicing too. ;-)
Quite surprised you haven't mentioned hand placement, you cannot do this transition with your front hand upside down. Many people ride this way as it's ergonomically better but you have to switch to knuckles up prior to gybing.
As someone who is just starting to complete standard jibes on foil regularly, is the purpose of the heineken jibe for high speed riding or racing?
The Heineken jibe does let you carry a lot of speed and is frequently used in racing. With a standard jibe there are some challenges with riding faster than the wind. Also, it's fun to learn, as it's much more fluid than the standard jibe.
@@kitesurfcollege I can see that! Looks fun, and I can see the purpose behind it with high speed riding and back wind issues. Thanks for the response and the videos! Always the most excellent content!
I loved how you explained everything but when I try to do it my wing flips and I don't know what I could be doing wrong. Do you have any tip? Thanks
I‘d say ride faster into the jibe so that there‘s no actual pressure from the wind in the wing. Or it‘s too much Wind or the wing too big.
@@stefsen Thank you, it also helped me to whip my arm further away from my body and over my head but yeah, I think that I had a problem with the speed.
I always end up with the wing upside down!
I admire everyone trying to copy the HJibe and I'm trying it myself with some success on one tack at least, but this video is not quite accurate. Before one even thinks of doing the flip thing Hjibe, one has to master the heel side carving jibe and do it at high speed. JH switches his feet before he enters the jibe. Actually, he does it while he is carving and enters the jibe heel side. I see him everyday here in SF and he always switched on both tacks. This assures that he's going as fast as possible and exits the jibe with speed. So if you want be like johnny, keep practicing and keep those things in mind. It's so sexy to do the JHjibe. Sail On!
hi there! i've been trying them for some sessions, but what inevitably happens is that at the 3rd part of the turn the wing turns upside down..... am i too slow? for this to happen one "needs" do get backwinded or am I wrong?
Can this gybe be done with a large wing (6m² - 9m²)?
Quite surprised by what you call Heineken jibe. Johnny Heineken does it actually very differently using the same technique as jibing in kitefoiling race (where he comes from) pivoting a foil kite with the leading ALWAYS facing forward. So he first switch stance, then put the wing over head, engage the curve by pushing on his heels (backside) while pivoting the wing when passing full downwind. If you have any doubt, check how he does during the races in SF Bay, and check a video of kitefoiling racing jibe, that’s the same move.
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Yeah, he usually switches stance just before the mark. Amazingly smooth in all dimensions.
Fundamentally same here just not swapping feet first
In terms of speed, and other pros/cons, how does the Heineken Jibe compare with the 'race jibe', ie: the one that is reminiscent, at least in appearance, to a windsurfing 'laydown jibe' ?
In the races I've seen, the windsurf style race jibe is probably the least effective overall. It doesn't seem very effective for wing foiling. It slows down the swapping of hands and actually creates more drag if you're riding quickly and outpacing the true wind because the wing is not flagged out. The Heineken is best when covering more distance downwind and exceeding the wind speed and the standard wind foil jibe seems best for a tighter turn with less speed. The main advantage to the wing foil lay down jibe that I've found is that it's good prep for learning to be backwinded.
@@kitesurfcollege That makes sense. Different scenario from windsurfing where some amount of oversheeting and lay down is necessary to spill power and keep the clew out of the water when you are lit. Thanks for the insights..
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