Andrew Garfield was a virtual unknown at the time, so while some people might have recognized his face, nobody was going "oh my god it's Andrew Garfield!"
One of my favourite fun facts about this episode is that before he became Spider-Man, Andrew Garfield, played a character in Doctor Who, who was a New Yorker, and was flirting with a character named MJ (Martha Jones)
What really sets David Tennant apart from the other actors who've portrayed The Doctor (and this can be said for Peter Capaldi as well), is that he was a life-long fan of the show long before he was cast. So he cares about the character on a deeper level than most actors. So when he's describing Gallifrey to Martha, you can see that David, the actor himself, is seeing the landscape in his mind.
@@qwarin5536 My only guess is they don't like Ncuti's portrayal (he's a recent fan but binged all of NuWho prior to filming). In which case I hard disagree, I definitely feel like Ncuti understands The Doctor.
The Queen in Shakespeare times was Queen Elizabeth I. Queen Victoria was the Queen that started Torchwood in Tooth and Claw, a few hundred years later.
@@ImBigDave79 She did refer to it being set in Victorian times. I was going to comment and correct her, before I saw someone else had beaten me to it. :)
"I should have realised, he's into musical theater." - Tallulah The 4 Daleks where in Doomsday and the leader, Dalek Sec who we see disappear said something to the effect of "Emergency Temporal Displacement" and the 4 Daleks of the Cult of Skaro all vanished to this episode..
@@joshuaoehler5796 Seems like a lot wiser than the source material to me. The tale could have been a lot messier if those women were acting less like characters in a story.
And Kastagir in Highlander. Connor's friend he met up with on the bridge making jokes about a party in 1783. THAT got me when I discovered it. I saw Highlander in 1990, and never connected the actor to Captain Panaka years later. It wasn't until 3-4 years ago when I was watching Phantom Menace again and I realized that it was the same guy.
I've got a bit of a soft spot for this particular Dalek story. Sure, the accents are a bit dodgy, they're obviously not filming in New York, and the first part is a bit slow to get going, but it's quite refreshing getting a Dalek story in the MIDDLE of the season, and a really interesting concept with them experimenting on themselves instead of the usual "Kill everything that isn't a Dalek!" shtick. Even if those experiments include wiggly tentacles on your face 👀
About Andrew Garfield - in it's original run in the 60s/70s/80s, Doctor who was one of those shows where a lot of actors who would go on to become bigger names would appear in, along with The Bill (A police procedural that ended in 2009, David Tennant once appeared in it, and one of the police officers on the show played a Cyberman, funnily enough!) and Casualty (Hospital drama, british equivalent to ER I suppose). That Andrew Garfield did Doctor Who is very in keeping with tradition!
The David Tennant years are an exceptional hotbed for future stars in particular, though. Even Freema herself, of course, started with a minor role. Unfortunately, a bit hard to talk about most because spoilers and whatnot but MyAnna Buring (future Witcher star amongst other things) in Impossible Planet springs to mind.
@@flaggerify Can't talk about the other "Andrew Garfield" level ones as they're yet to appear but I already provided two examples. (Well, one and a half, I suppose). Also, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, of course, who we've met as Martha's sister already. (And though she's been around before, you could say Adjoa Andoh - Martha's mother - has had a big uptick in fame since thanks to Bridgerton too).
I learned about the Hoovervilles in a history class, and when I first saw this episode, it got me so excited about the fact that I actually knew the historical context and that the story was incorporating that.t
I actually love Tallulah. "He's inta musical theata, huh?" lol What Sec said in Doomsday was "EMERGENCY TEMPORAL SHIFT". Essentially, it used a dangerous time jump and ended up bruised and broken in old New York.
These are the four daleks who started first coming out of the sphere in the season 2 finale. They timeshifted out right before they were sucked into the VOID.
I agree. I don't know why Martha chose to cross the stage directly, whe she was chasing Lazlo. Wasn't there a curtain behind the dancers where she could've gone?
Andrew Garfield, this was 6 years before Spiderman (?). There are documentaries on how many famous actors did Dr. Who then went on to be big names. Keep watching the extras, 😊.
One way to look at Doctor Who two parters is usually when the first one is okay but not that great it is usually because it is setting up the next one to knock it out of the park. If a two parter is truly going to be bad it is usually bad throughout. Also, so glad someone else thinks Daleks are cute. If I could get a plushy of the little squid thing that rides around inside a Dalek I most definitely would. They are just so disgustingly adorable.
Wow, a human-dalek hybrid! What an incredible surprise! ...That the Radio Times splashed onto the cover of that weeks issue, giving people five days notice before broadcast of what was coming. I know some people have no respect for spoiler warnings, but it's rare to find them running magazines. (The Who team were actually *very upset* at Radio Times over this, and resolved to keep any massive spoilers away from them in the future to keep it from happening again)
I get why people aren't as hyped for this Dalek episode compared to the others but this one actually is my favourite. It's very light on spectacle but heavy with themes and social commentary. I love that this show's allegory for fascism shows up during economic hardship to exploit cheap labour and turn people into mindless workers. I love Hooverville and the humans surviving through solidarity and forgiveness. I love the Daleks being forced to choose between survival and vulnerability. It's a really great continuation of this season's exploration of what it means to be human. Most of what I like about this episode is incomplete without part 2 though
I'm going to recommend the 1975 Tom Baker episode "Genesis of The Daleks". Its the only classic Who episode i would reccomend to a new viewer of the show. Do with that what you will. Oh, and Shakespeare is not boring, as long as you read it in the original Klingon.
I don't really get why most people don't like this episode. But then, I was always really enamored with the history aspect, especially since I had actually learned about the Hoovervilles after the Great Depression, so it was really cool to actually step into that era and see it up close. But I also just always found the concept of the Daleks evolving and hybridizing as really interesting, and I loved the design and voice of the human dalek, it felt like the perfect meshing of dalek and human.
Are there any in Classic Who who've never seen one? I know the answer in modern Who. E: Just remembered Liz Shaw. Her one season was spent entirely on 70s (or 80s) Earth. No Dalek stories that season.
@@manjackson2772 Yeah there’s dodo Zoe too (on a technicality being she was shown the daleks with a projection from 2 showing evil part 2 in wheel before they repeated evil of the daleks on tv between s5 n 6 but not in an actual ep with them on tv) Liz as you mentioned Leela romana 1 (if we count them as separate companions) adric Nyssa and Mel Luckily all these companions ended up getting there encounter with the daleks in expanded media if your into that side of the fandom
@ there’s only 2 daleks stories in the 4th doctors era genesis with Sarah and Harry n 4th and destiny with romana 2 k9 n 4 I do agree it does seem very weird haha for 5th there’s only 1 dalek story and the companions for that are Tegan and turlough Again though every companion in the tv series for classic who has now met the daleks due to expanded media leelas first meeting I think was energy of the daleks which is free on Spotify if you wanna try it
⚠ YOU NEED TO BE WATCHING TORCHWOOD SERIES ONE BEFORE THIS SERIES IS FINISHED! ⚠ The final story will contain spoilers for Torchwood if you do not see Series 1 before this series of Who is done....
The iMDB website is your friend when wondering things like when Andrew Garfield did this in relation to his Spider-man films. This episode and the one after were first aired in July/August 2007. Before that, he'd only done a few guest spots on other TV shows. Afterwards, he started getting some film roles, and notably did The Social Network just before the first Amazing Spider-Man in 2012.
This and the next episode are a low point for me in the Tennant era. Definitely, for this season. The next two-parter is wonderful and is one of the all-time greats. Wasn't going to bring this up but since the writer, Helen Rainer, was brought up...This two-parter was her first script and after in aired she went on to a fan site to see reactions. What people said put her into therapy, literally. I want to be clear this wasn't toxic fans harassing or emailing her. This was the writer being exposed to the toxicity of fans. She has done other, much better received scripts since then.
I'll do this as spoiler-free as I can, but the Cult of Skaro are Dalek Sec, Dalek Jast, Dalek Thay and Dalek Caan, who were tasked by the Emperor to "ensure the ongoing survival of the Dalek race". In other news, it's been a while since I've seen this "middle three" of episodes from Season 3. So long, I've kinda forgotten what actually happens in them, but you've ironed out the creases in my head canon so thanks. They're not spectacular, but it's made up for at the end of the season.
Same. I only have vague memories of mid season 3, but I ADORE the last half of the season. Recently rewatched it, tried to put myself in the mindset of a first-time watcher. Can't wait to see the reactions!
@@adamcarlson2192 As myself and others have said, I ordinarily skip these three episodes, but this edit -- which I did not realise -- is very sneaky if watched in concert with the previous one.
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honesty i feel like the dalek reveal could have been dragged out until later in the episode, including the pigs too! Subsequentially, an atmosphere of mystery (with the absence of an obvious threat) through the first half of this episode may be more engaging - especially when in the tunnels.
I agree that it could have and they may have tried it. I wonder if the choice was made not to because that's a common theme for Dalek stories, or perhaps they knew the effects and costumes would be too campy to sustain the drama that the story would have been building? Anyways that's just the what my last couple brain cells came up with :) cheers! (I do salute them for a really solid depiction of the trauma and desperation of folks in such severe financial times).
-Doctor Who has a habit of casting people before they become stratospherically famous. Andrew Garfield is one, and there's another one later in the season. You could even argue it's Who that made David Tennant the star/national treasure he's become.
Another great reaction. "Not the best Dalek episode". I don't think you'll find many people who will disagree with that 👍 Andrew Garfield - this was before he played Spiderman, so I had no clue who the actor was at the time. This episode was the first time I ever saw him.
There was a cut scene from the beginning of this episode. The Doctor originally told Martha that she would only get one trip, then in Gridlock, they “stretched the definition, one trip to the past, one trip the future”. The cut scene had the Doctor and Martha in the TARDIS, with the Doctor originally planning to take Martha home before offering to take “the scenic route” and give her one detour on the way. It’s alluded to later in the episode, the Doctor tells Martha that “I think our detour just got longer.”
First international shoot for Doctor Who since 1985 (Well, not counting the TV movie). Albeit only a small crew sent to get shots of New York to superimpose in.
We’ve had an entire arc so far with the daleks. Series 1 we have the time war. All Daleks are wiped out. One ship falls through time containing the emperor, one Dalek ends up in Utah, goes mad and kills himself and the genesis arc and the cult of skaro lock themselves in a void ship to escape the war outside reality. The emperor rebuilds the Dalek army with humans, then he and his army get wiped out by Rose. The void ship in series 2 now contains the only four Daleks in existence and the genesis arc. As we see in series 2 the genesis arc opens and then all of the daleks are defeated and we see Dalek Sec the black Dalek teleport away. Emergency temporal shift, which basically means ‘a quick emergency random panic button that could transport them literally anywhere in time and space. The cult of Skaro end up here in New York, stranded. And you’re now caught up. These four are now the only Dalek survivors
13:20 "Destroyed in a great war...." They keep teasing us with this war thing. I wonder if there will ever be a payoff.... I love the Daleks, rockin' it since 1963.
While the crappy work environment portrayed in this episode is correct for the times, the building of the Empire State Building actually worked the other way. They were pressed for time but figured that happy, safe, and well-paid workers actually work faster and don't leave. They even built a diner at the bottom floor and had smaller food stalls on the floors so the workers didn't have to go far to get food.
Helen Raynor was very unlucky in the scripting of this episode because she was a first time writer that had never done a script before but whom RTD thought had talent because of her work as a script editor and deserved a shot. But then during the actual writing phase for this episode he was taken very ill and by the time he was back on his feet the script had to go into production pretty much as is. RTD always does a fair amount of rewriting of other people's scripts (with a couple of notable exceptions, including Steven Moffat) but had been planning on giving Raynor lots of extra help and guidance as a first timer. Which she then didn't get.
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses..." That was a poem written by an 11 year old girl (who herself was an inmigrant and brought up in a socialist mentality) as a way to gain money to build the pedestal for the Statue of Liberty. It was never ratified by the government or officiated as the motto of the U.S.A. And the government has ALWAYS had a "go away" mentality, UNLESS you can prove yourself useful (typically that meant highly educated).
Even you, FLG…? Gosh, so many people s*it on this two-parter, and it gets kind of demoralising being the one person in the room who defends it much of the time. I mean, sure it’s kind of a messy storyline here, but the themes within (and through this season actually) are really powerful; we also have a lot of great actors pulling their weight regardless of the quality of their roles. I’m actually a big fan of Tallulah’s actress due to the “Dragon Age” video game series; she’s one of the best characters across those games. Hope you warmed up to her at least…
It definitely feels like this story was split into 2 parts to fill a time slot and it's weird that it took so long after the credits to reveal the monster in the title (missed a trick not naming it The Empire's State). That being said, I like that the episode took the available time to flesh out the 1930's setting and I enjoy Talulah despite the iffy accent. Definitely check out the album version of the stage song "Angel Put the Devil In Me" if you enjoy theatre music, it's a banger!
This episode was filmed in the Park and Dare Theatre in the Rhondda Valley South Wales, I worked in a small cafe close by and the crew ordered a tray of sandwiches from us, i delivered them and they were filming the scene with the dancers on stage, to my dismay though David Tennant wasnt filming that day, I was gutted lol
Lauren Rogers did a video that was an overview of his entire career so far, that you may want to hunt up. (Sorry my mind is going blank on what the title was.) It goes up to Des (where he played a real-life serial killer) and Good Omens (in which he was one of the two main leads, the not-so-evil demon Crowley).
and Broadchurch - a very different character than the Doctor. . BTW I think he was better in Des (which he won an Internal Emmy for) than Jessica Jones - not because of his performance but because Des was better written.
I have to say, if Shakespeare is done properly on stage (or film), his plays are definitely not snooze-fests. High School English classes often do him dirty by just requiring his plays be read. They're meant to be performed. *If you're close enough to "Dah-lek", you're generally fine (but not "Day-lek")
It always makes me smile seeing people spot Andrew Garfield in this, especially as the guy has gone on to Hollywood! - including his Oscar-nominated lead role in Hacksaw Ridge .... for my money, one of the best war films ever made & a hell of a stand out performance from Mr Garfield!
I believe, in Doomsday, Dalek Sec said something like "Emergency Temporal Shift" before disappearing. Someday when you are done with New Who, you should go watch the Classic Who Dalek episodes. There are things you won't pick up watching New Who to which the stories allude, like the whole backstory of the Daleks.
David is a Shakespearean actor. I recommend Hamlet with him and Patrick Stewart. The production crew couldn't actually film in New York. So they edited pictures they took into the episode.
I never thought about "The wisdom of Solomon" element before until I just realised he split a loaf of bread in two and gave half of it to each of them! I feel so dumb now!
Throughout all doctor who history, many many huge name actors have made an appearance! It was a rite of honor. It's like Game of Thrones... it just hovered up anyone who has ever been on TV. The hound?? Advert for oats and porridge. Misandei? A TV soap, often sneered at...Hollyoaks. etc etc
13:43 Survival at the cost of other being. This is why the Dalek almost "admires" him. Being a Member of the Cult of Skarro, perhaps emotional thought is a considered an outside the box advantage.
I do hope you get to see some classic Who episodes at some point. "Genesis of the Daleks" is an especially great story from the mid 1970's! And of course the BBC recently released a 75-minute colorised cut down version of the first ever Dalek story from 1963, which was called, unsurprisingly: "The Daleks."
Getting closer and closer to the AMAZING 8 to 13 run of episodes. IMO the best run of consecutive episodes in the whole of Who. Every one of them an absolute banger ! Can't wait to see you watch them !
Yeah, we've reached the mid-season clunkers. It's a bit meh. Helen Raynor writes medium episodes, but she's been a script editor on lots of good ones, which I think is more her strength. But then add the weird pigs, the intense accents, the Dalek plot... eh. I do enjoy the Doctor "likes musical theatre" joke followed by offering Frank a kiss. Highlight for me personally. 😂 Also, your reaction to Andrew Garfield did not disappoint. ❤ I watched this in 2008, so I had no idea who he was back then! I saw him live onstage in Angels In America, so I love him. (PS your Dalek pronunciation is fine!)
There are two indisputable facts about Doctor Who. 1. Every Dalek storyline plays to the fact that the Daleks are involved as a plot twist. 2. Every Dalek episode has the word Dalek in the title.
My mother's family emigrated from Ireland during the famine of the 1840s. My 2xs great grandfather vanished from Baltimore in the 1850s, having gone out to buy a paper. He may have been Shanghai'ed. He may have gotten gold fever and lit out for California. Or maybe he got mixed up with a funny skinny man with a big Blue Box. ????
I’m gonna be honest, when I first saw that title I thought she had skipped a lot of episodes and gone straight to the other “[Monster] in manhattan” story. Also David has implied that this is one of his least favourite episodes from his time on the show… and obviously no disrespect to David but i think that’s mostly because he doesn’t have a lot to do. He’s second fiddle to the secondary guest cast: Aka the Naboo captain from Star Wars episode 1, a really good Shakespearean actress. that guy who was apparently on general hospital but I recognise his face from Nintendo ads and stock footage, and some random kid who I’m sure won’t return to New York and have a big Hollywood role in the future 😉
I tend to think of this two parter as one of the less good stories of this series (though I am extremely fond of some of the campier elements, like Talullah and Dalek Sec). However, this time through, even though I was only watching your reaction of it, I was hit really hard with the very obvious parallels it was drawing to N*zi science experiments. This is obvious with the language ("final experiment") and the sorting of people into low and high intelligence (look into Hans Asperger and you'll see what this is referencing), as well as the Daleks having been a N*zi parallel since their inception, but I don't think I'd ever really thought about it before. With the huge rise in fascism globally in the 1930s (which is starting to feel unsettlingly familiar), it makes a lot of sense to have the Daleks in this period doing this sort of thing. Anyway, I agree that they're not the best episodes but this is actually making me want to watch them again properly to catch everything they're doing here.
I really enjoy your predictions and ruminations of what is going on and what is to come, both during a single episode and down the line for the show. Sometimes I just want to say, "Wow, are YOU in for a surprise because..." But - NO SPOILERS HERE! Cheers....
yes, the cult of skaro, doctor mentioned them when they interracted in doomsday. they are really important in this era. also a lot of important actors appeared in doctor who, just watch them! :)
This and its second part are so unfairly hated. Taking the daleks back to their earlier roots where they were more sneaky and coniving. It's campy as fuck but if this had aired back in the classic era it would be regarded as an all time classic and you won;t be able to convince me otherwise.
"I shoulda realized, he's into musical theater" always makes me laugh 😂
Andrew Garfield was a virtual unknown at the time, so while some people might have recognized his face, nobody was going "oh my god it's Andrew Garfield!"
It's a lovely treat for fans of his run as Spider-Man to go back and see him in this episode.
Today was the day I learned Frank was Andrew Garfield, and I ran to tell my fellow DW watching friends 😂
A lot of actors makes their careers from Doctor Who. You may recognise more as the series go by
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@@gdiaz8827 what does Angela's reaction to seeing him now have to do with "at the time"?
One of my favourite fun facts about this episode is that before he became Spider-Man, Andrew Garfield, played a character in Doctor Who, who was a New Yorker, and was flirting with a character named MJ (Martha Jones)
The Dalek commented to the foreman that he thought like a Dalek. That's why they chose him to integrate with.
What really sets David Tennant apart from the other actors who've portrayed The Doctor (and this can be said for Peter Capaldi as well), is that he was a life-long fan of the show long before he was cast. So he cares about the character on a deeper level than most actors. So when he's describing Gallifrey to Martha, you can see that David, the actor himself, is seeing the landscape in his mind.
Yet recent evidence proves the exact oppposite of that...
@@Jimmer93what are you trying to imply here?
@@qwarin5536 My only guess is they don't like Ncuti's portrayal (he's a recent fan but binged all of NuWho prior to filming). In which case I hard disagree, I definitely feel like Ncuti understands The Doctor.
Has the word Gallifrey even been dropped yet in the show? I recall them holding off on that for an eternity.
@Carabas72 Yep, it's first mentioned in the reboot in The Runaway Bride.
The Queen in Shakespeare times was Queen Elizabeth I.
Queen Victoria was the Queen that started Torchwood in Tooth and Claw, a few hundred years later.
The virgin queen(not after the doctor.was.done) ;)
She didn't say that it was Victoria in the Shakespeare episode. She mentioned that both Elizabeth I and Victoria had been in the show.
@@ImBigDave79 She did refer to it being set in Victorian times. I was going to comment and correct her, before I saw someone else had beaten me to it. :)
She was still correct saying Vicky was an "enemy of," the Doctor as was Liz I - so far. Cheers....
Torchwood is awesome. I just started watching it and I love it. It is like the MIB of Doctor WHO.
"I should have realised, he's into musical theater." - Tallulah
The 4 Daleks where in Doomsday and the leader, Dalek Sec who we see disappear said something to the effect of "Emergency Temporal Displacement" and the 4 Daleks of the Cult of Skaro all vanished to this episode..
It was "Emergency Temporal Shift" 🙃
@@Wolf-ln1ml about the same - I just didn't want to google it to be sure the exact words. 🐒🐵
Solomon cut the bread in half... wise King Solomon suggested cutting the disputed baby in half...
very wise was he
In fairness, the bread didn't cry nearly as loud
Not the most subtle reference. Also, one that completely missed the point of the source material.
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Seems like a lot wiser than the source material to me. The tale could have been a lot messier if those women were acting less like characters in a story.
Solomon's actor was also Captain Panaka.
Hugh Quarshie, the actor who played Solomon, was also Captain Panaka (Queen Amidala's guard) in Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace.
And Kastagir in Highlander.
Connor's friend he met up with on the bridge making jokes about a party in 1783.
THAT got me when I discovered it.
I saw Highlander in 1990, and never connected the actor to Captain Panaka years later.
It wasn't until 3-4 years ago when I was watching Phantom Menace again and I realized that it was the same guy.
Ohhhhh, THAT’S what I knew him from!
He was also a senior doctor on "Holby City" - BBC hospital drama, spin-off from Casualty, in the same hospital - for years.
I've got a bit of a soft spot for this particular Dalek story.
Sure, the accents are a bit dodgy, they're obviously not filming in New York, and the first part is a bit slow to get going, but it's quite refreshing getting a Dalek story in the MIDDLE of the season, and a really interesting concept with them experimenting on themselves instead of the usual "Kill everything that isn't a Dalek!" shtick.
Even if those experiments include wiggly tentacles on your face 👀
I agree 100% it’s great.
yea, it's the most 'classic Who' feeling Dalek story of the revival run.
That's because it's basically a remake of Evil of the Daleks.
About Andrew Garfield - in it's original run in the 60s/70s/80s, Doctor who was one of those shows where a lot of actors who would go on to become bigger names would appear in, along with The Bill (A police procedural that ended in 2009, David Tennant once appeared in it, and one of the police officers on the show played a Cyberman, funnily enough!) and Casualty (Hospital drama, british equivalent to ER I suppose).
That Andrew Garfield did Doctor Who is very in keeping with tradition!
The David Tennant years are an exceptional hotbed for future stars in particular, though. Even Freema herself, of course, started with a minor role. Unfortunately, a bit hard to talk about most because spoilers and whatnot but MyAnna Buring (future Witcher star amongst other things) in Impossible Planet springs to mind.
Like who?
@@flaggerify Can't talk about the other "Andrew Garfield" level ones as they're yet to appear but I already provided two examples. (Well, one and a half, I suppose). Also, Gugu Mbatha-Raw, of course, who we've met as Martha's sister already. (And though she's been around before, you could say Adjoa Andoh - Martha's mother - has had a big uptick in fame since thanks to Bridgerton too).
Hooverville actually existed as a shantytown in Central Park in the 1930s.
[NODS] And I never knew that until I first saw this ep. =:o}
There were a few of them dotted around the country. The name was a jab at the sitting president so it tended to repeat
I learned about the Hoovervilles in a history class, and when I first saw this episode, it got me so excited about the fact that I actually knew the historical context and that the story was incorporating that.t
And Americans back on track to building more of them.
I actually love Tallulah. "He's inta musical theata, huh?" lol
What Sec said in Doomsday was "EMERGENCY TEMPORAL SHIFT". Essentially, it used a dangerous time jump and ended up bruised and broken in old New York.
She’s great !
I love her too!
These are the four daleks who started first coming out of the sphere in the season 2 finale. They timeshifted out right before they were sucked into the VOID.
"Emergency temporal shift!"
I agree. I don't know why Martha chose to cross the stage directly, whe she was chasing Lazlo. Wasn't there a curtain behind the dancers where she could've gone?
18:05 ran right over the "musical theater" joke lol
Came here to comment that lmao. Why do I feel like that's a 30s dogwhistle for 'gay' haha
@@felixhenson9926because it is
Yeah that’s what I thought too.
@@felixhenson9926it's not a dogwhistle, it's a euphemism.
@@felixhenson9926 did you just learn the word "dogwhistle" online? because thats not what that is
Andrew Garfield, this was 6 years before Spiderman (?). There are documentaries on how many famous actors did Dr. Who then went on to be big names. Keep watching the extras, 😊.
One way to look at Doctor Who two parters is usually when the first one is okay but not that great it is usually because it is setting up the next one to knock it out of the park. If a two parter is truly going to be bad it is usually bad throughout.
Also, so glad someone else thinks Daleks are cute. If I could get a plushy of the little squid thing that rides around inside a Dalek I most definitely would. They are just so disgustingly adorable.
Wow, a human-dalek hybrid! What an incredible surprise!
...That the Radio Times splashed onto the cover of that weeks issue, giving people five days notice before broadcast of what was coming. I know some people have no respect for spoiler warnings, but it's rare to find them running magazines.
(The Who team were actually *very upset* at Radio Times over this, and resolved to keep any massive spoilers away from them in the future to keep it from happening again)
You're about 3 episodes away from the beginning of the golden era of modern Doctor Who. I'm very envious of your journey!
You should see David in the Marvel Jessica Jones show as Killgrave He is awesome as a villain as he is in Doctor WHO
I get why people aren't as hyped for this Dalek episode compared to the others but this one actually is my favourite. It's very light on spectacle but heavy with themes and social commentary. I love that this show's allegory for fascism shows up during economic hardship to exploit cheap labour and turn people into mindless workers. I love Hooverville and the humans surviving through solidarity and forgiveness. I love the Daleks being forced to choose between survival and vulnerability. It's a really great continuation of this season's exploration of what it means to be human. Most of what I like about this episode is incomplete without part 2 though
I'm going to recommend the 1975 Tom Baker episode "Genesis of The Daleks". Its the only classic Who episode i would reccomend to a new viewer of the show. Do with that what you will. Oh, and Shakespeare is not boring, as long as you read it in the original Klingon.
I don't really get why most people don't like this episode. But then, I was always really enamored with the history aspect, especially since I had actually learned about the Hoovervilles after the Great Depression, so it was really cool to actually step into that era and see it up close. But I also just always found the concept of the Daleks evolving and hybridizing as really interesting, and I loved the design and voice of the human dalek, it felt like the perfect meshing of dalek and human.
Ahh, Martha. You aren't really a Companion until you've faced a Dalek.
Are there any in Classic Who who've never seen one? I know the answer in modern Who.
E: Just remembered Liz Shaw. Her one season was spent entirely on 70s (or 80s) Earth. No Dalek stories that season.
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Yeah there’s dodo Zoe too (on a technicality being she was shown the daleks with a projection from 2 showing evil part 2 in wheel before they repeated evil of the daleks on tv between s5 n 6 but not in an actual ep with them on tv) Liz as you mentioned Leela romana 1 (if we count them as separate companions) adric Nyssa and Mel
Luckily all these companions ended up getting there encounter with the daleks in expanded media if your into that side of the fandom
LEELA never met the Daleks?? Or 5's crew? That seems wrong, but...
@ there’s only 2 daleks stories in the 4th doctors era genesis with Sarah and Harry n 4th and destiny with romana 2 k9 n 4
I do agree it does seem very weird haha for 5th there’s only 1 dalek story and the companions for that are Tegan and turlough
Again though every companion in the tv series for classic who has now met the daleks due to expanded media leelas first meeting I think was energy of the daleks which is free on Spotify if you wanna try it
⚠ YOU NEED TO BE WATCHING TORCHWOOD SERIES ONE BEFORE THIS SERIES IS FINISHED! ⚠
The final story will contain spoilers for Torchwood if you do not see Series 1 before this series of Who is done....
I'd like to propose an alternative: nobody needs to watch Torchwood at all. It's shit.
Or not. Because most of that show is of similar quality as this episode, especially the first season. You can't spoil a show you aren't watching.
@@manjackson2772 and yet it had four series where only the last one was considered poor…
The iMDB website is your friend when wondering things like when Andrew Garfield did this in relation to his Spider-man films. This episode and the one after were first aired in July/August 2007. Before that, he'd only done a few guest spots on other TV shows. Afterwards, he started getting some film roles, and notably did The Social Network just before the first Amazing Spider-Man in 2012.
33:21 The Doctor does not figuring out the DNA with a radio. He only needs the capacitor in the radio to build the device, not the radio itself.
That being said, if the Doctor needed to figure out DNA with a radio...
This and the next episode are a low point for me in the Tennant era. Definitely, for this season. The next two-parter is wonderful and is one of the all-time greats. Wasn't going to bring this up but since the writer, Helen Rainer, was brought up...This two-parter was her first script and after in aired she went on to a fan site to see reactions. What people said put her into therapy, literally. I want to be clear this wasn't toxic fans harassing or emailing her. This was the writer being exposed to the toxicity of fans. She has done other, much better received scripts since then.
I'll do this as spoiler-free as I can, but the Cult of Skaro are Dalek Sec, Dalek Jast, Dalek Thay and Dalek Caan, who were tasked by the Emperor to "ensure the ongoing survival of the Dalek race".
In other news, it's been a while since I've seen this "middle three" of episodes from Season 3. So long, I've kinda forgotten what actually happens in them, but you've ironed out the creases in my head canon so thanks. They're not spectacular, but it's made up for at the end of the season.
It is SO made up for... Best run of six episodes in maybe any show ever.
Same. I only have vague memories of mid season 3, but I ADORE the last half of the season. Recently rewatched it, tried to put myself in the mindset of a first-time watcher. Can't wait to see the reactions!
@@adamcarlson2192 As myself and others have said, I ordinarily skip these three episodes, but this edit -- which I did not realise -- is very sneaky if watched in concert with the previous one.
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This is personally one of my favourite dalek episodes. I love it when they focus on the ideology of the daleks.
This episode came out in 2007, this was before Amazing Spider-Man and Andrew Garfield was still pretty unknown
honesty i feel like the dalek reveal could have been dragged out until later in the episode, including the pigs too! Subsequentially, an atmosphere of mystery (with the absence of an obvious threat) through the first half of this episode may be more engaging - especially when in the tunnels.
I agree that it could have and they may have tried it. I wonder if the choice was made not to because that's a common theme for Dalek stories, or perhaps they knew the effects and costumes would be too campy to sustain the drama that the story would have been building? Anyways that's just the what my last couple brain cells came up with :) cheers! (I do salute them for a really solid depiction of the trauma and desperation of folks in such severe financial times).
Hi from England, I agree it wasn't my favourite either, but it's fun to watch as you also watch ,. Well edited as always.
and incredibly he manages to pull off that level of emotional resonance like every single time he describes Gallefray
i think im the only person on earth who absolutely loves tallulah
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-Doctor Who has a habit of casting people before they become stratospherically famous. Andrew Garfield is one, and there's another one later in the season.
You could even argue it's Who that made David Tennant the star/national treasure he's become.
Another great reaction. "Not the best Dalek episode". I don't think you'll find many people who will disagree with that 👍
Andrew Garfield - this was before he played Spiderman, so I had no clue who the actor was at the time. This episode was the first time I ever saw him.
[lots of cities and towns across the US had Hoovervilles in parks and under bridges in 1930]
There was a cut scene from the beginning of this episode. The Doctor originally told Martha that she would only get one trip, then in Gridlock, they “stretched the definition, one trip to the past, one trip the future”. The cut scene had the Doctor and Martha in the TARDIS, with the Doctor originally planning to take Martha home before offering to take “the scenic route” and give her one detour on the way. It’s alluded to later in the episode, the Doctor tells Martha that “I think our detour just got longer.”
I think this and the next episode are good way to show that the daleks are getting desperate just to survive
Tallulah has moxie!
"Nearly 80 years ago" feels weird...like now it''s nearly 100 years yet still feels like 2005
"Dalekanium" - yes. Daleks have no concept of elegance.
"THAT IS OBVIOUS."
Sad point for Dr and M a film crew went to New York the scene at foot of statue was filmed in Wales they never got to go.
You've definitely got the pronunciation of *Dalek* right now. Well done 🙂
Andrew Garfield was in Doctor Who in 2007 and 5 years later he was in Spiderman in 2012.
23:15 I think because of that conversation they had where the Dalek said that he thought like a Dalek.
First international shoot for Doctor Who since 1985 (Well, not counting the TV movie). Albeit only a small crew sent to get shots of New York to superimpose in.
We’ve had an entire arc so far with the daleks. Series 1 we have the time war. All Daleks are wiped out. One ship falls through time containing the emperor, one Dalek ends up in Utah, goes mad and kills himself and the genesis arc and the cult of skaro lock themselves in a void ship to escape the war outside reality.
The emperor rebuilds the Dalek army with humans, then he and his army get wiped out by Rose. The void ship in series 2 now contains the only four Daleks in existence and the genesis arc. As we see in series 2 the genesis arc opens and then all of the daleks are defeated and we see Dalek Sec the black Dalek teleport away. Emergency temporal shift, which basically means ‘a quick emergency random panic button that could transport them literally anywhere in time and space. The cult of Skaro end up here in New York, stranded.
And you’re now caught up. These four are now the only Dalek survivors
13:20 "Destroyed in a great war...." They keep teasing us with this war thing. I wonder if there will ever be a payoff.... I love the Daleks, rockin' it since 1963.
While the crappy work environment portrayed in this episode is correct for the times, the building of the Empire State Building actually worked the other way. They were pressed for time but figured that happy, safe, and well-paid workers actually work faster and don't leave. They even built a diner at the bottom floor and had smaller food stalls on the floors so the workers didn't have to go far to get food.
I'm so excited everytime it's wednesday, love these reactions :)
And I agree, not my fave I skip these during rewatches
Dalekanium is a metal from Skaro.
i love the little touch of Tallulah finding Lazlo as a pig mutant and she tearfully straightens his collar.
Helen Raynor was very unlucky in the scripting of this episode because she was a first time writer that had never done a script before but whom RTD thought had talent because of her work as a script editor and deserved a shot. But then during the actual writing phase for this episode he was taken very ill and by the time he was back on his feet the script had to go into production pretty much as is. RTD always does a fair amount of rewriting of other people's scripts (with a couple of notable exceptions, including Steven Moffat) but had been planning on giving Raynor lots of extra help and guidance as a first timer. Which she then didn't get.
I hope it didn't hold her back too badly. Her two-parter in the next season is underrated, I think - I love it personally, and that's all I'll say.
@@manjackson2772 As of 2020 she was still writing episodes of other tv so I'm assuming she did a-okay :)
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses..."
That was a poem written by an 11 year old girl (who herself was an inmigrant and brought up in a socialist mentality) as a way to gain money to build the pedestal for the Statue of Liberty. It was never ratified by the government or officiated as the motto of the U.S.A.
And the government has ALWAYS had a "go away" mentality, UNLESS you can prove yourself useful (typically that meant highly educated).
Fun fact - the park that doubles as central park is about a mile from where I live here in Cardiff
Knowing who was in this episode, I was keen to see your reaction. Thanks for not disappointing.
Even you, FLG…? Gosh, so many people s*it on this two-parter, and it gets kind of demoralising being the one person in the room who defends it much of the time. I mean, sure it’s kind of a messy storyline here, but the themes within (and through this season actually) are really powerful; we also have a lot of great actors pulling their weight regardless of the quality of their roles.
I’m actually a big fan of Tallulah’s actress due to the “Dragon Age” video game series; she’s one of the best characters across those games. Hope you warmed up to her at least…
This season is my absolute favorite. Next season is a very close second.
The actor for Solomon played a doctor in BBC Casualty/Holby City. A medical drama. Freema playing a doctor in New Amsterdam.
It definitely feels like this story was split into 2 parts to fill a time slot and it's weird that it took so long after the credits to reveal the monster in the title (missed a trick not naming it The Empire's State). That being said, I like that the episode took the available time to flesh out the 1930's setting and I enjoy Talulah despite the iffy accent.
Definitely check out the album version of the stage song "Angel Put the Devil In Me" if you enjoy theatre music, it's a banger!
I had the whole Murray Gold album for this season on repeat for the LONGEST time. Whole season's songs are just peak Dr. Who music in my book.
7:11 - that British accent was _spot on!_
I totally did not recognize Andrew Garfield... huh! cool!
This episode was filmed in the Park and Dare Theatre in the Rhondda Valley South Wales, I worked in a small cafe close by and the crew ordered a tray of sandwiches from us, i delivered them and they were filming the scene with the dancers on stage, to my dismay though David Tennant wasnt filming that day, I was gutted lol
I'm just happy that the Doctor didn't lick the experiment to identify what it is. 😂
"Hm, I know that. Ooooh. Dalek!"
2 shows that you'd love with David tennant. Masterpiece theatre's Casanova and as an amazing villain Marvels Jessica Jones
Lauren Rogers did a video that was an overview of his entire career so far, that you may want to hunt up. (Sorry my mind is going blank on what the title was.) It goes up to Des (where he played a real-life serial killer) and Good Omens (in which he was one of the two main leads, the not-so-evil demon Crowley).
and Broadchurch - a very different character than the Doctor. . BTW I think he was better in Des (which he won an Internal Emmy for) than Jessica Jones - not because of his performance but because Des was better written.
I have to say, if Shakespeare is done properly on stage (or film), his plays are definitely not snooze-fests. High School English classes often do him dirty by just requiring his plays be read. They're meant to be performed.
*If you're close enough to "Dah-lek", you're generally fine (but not "Day-lek")
It always makes me smile seeing people spot Andrew Garfield in this, especially as the guy has gone on to Hollywood! - including his Oscar-nominated lead role in Hacksaw Ridge .... for my money, one of the best war films ever made & a hell of a stand out performance from Mr Garfield!
I believe, in Doomsday, Dalek Sec said something like "Emergency Temporal Shift" before disappearing. Someday when you are done with New Who, you should go watch the Classic Who Dalek episodes. There are things you won't pick up watching New Who to which the stories allude, like the whole backstory of the Daleks.
David is a Shakespearean actor. I recommend Hamlet with him and Patrick Stewart.
The production crew couldn't actually film in New York. So they edited pictures they took into the episode.
I never thought about "The wisdom of Solomon" element before until I just realised he split a loaf of bread in two and gave half of it to each of them! I feel so dumb now!
Throughout all doctor who history, many many huge name actors have made an appearance! It was a rite of honor.
It's like Game of Thrones... it just hovered up anyone who has ever been on TV. The hound?? Advert for oats and porridge. Misandei? A TV soap, often sneered at...Hollyoaks. etc etc
13:43 Survival at the cost of other being. This is why the Dalek almost "admires" him. Being a Member of the Cult of Skarro, perhaps emotional thought is a considered an outside the box advantage.
I do hope you get to see some classic Who episodes at some point. "Genesis of the Daleks" is an especially great story from the mid 1970's! And of course the BBC recently released a 75-minute colorised cut down version of the first ever Dalek story from 1963, which was called, unsurprisingly: "The Daleks."
Emergency temporal shift! Is what the cult of skaro do to avoid getting sooked into the void, those cheeky chappies.
31:05 That Dalek said "Emergency Temporal Shift". That's how they got to the 1930s.
I think the shortcomings come down the script, the weirdness of the pig slaves and the performance of Mr. Diagorus. There is good stuff in it, though.
Getting closer and closer to the AMAZING 8 to 13 run of episodes.
IMO the best run of consecutive episodes in the whole of Who.
Every one of them an absolute banger ! Can't wait to see you watch them !
Not to mention the whole season after!
Highlight of my week
YEEEEES! DOCTOR WHOOOO
The amount of times I have watched Tennant's era and it never occured to me that Doctor literally took Martha to New York twice in a row (technically)
Never stop watching 🙏 it's worth it
Yeah, we've reached the mid-season clunkers. It's a bit meh. Helen Raynor writes medium episodes, but she's been a script editor on lots of good ones, which I think is more her strength. But then add the weird pigs, the intense accents, the Dalek plot... eh.
I do enjoy the Doctor "likes musical theatre" joke followed by offering Frank a kiss. Highlight for me personally. 😂
Also, your reaction to Andrew Garfield did not disappoint. ❤ I watched this in 2008, so I had no idea who he was back then! I saw him live onstage in Angels In America, so I love him.
(PS your Dalek pronunciation is fine!)
To be fair, she's not at fault for the accents.
There are two indisputable facts about Doctor Who. 1. Every Dalek storyline plays to the fact that the Daleks are involved as a plot twist. 2. Every Dalek episode has the word Dalek in the title.
This is one of the reactions I was looking forward to in the "such and such actor was in Dr. Who??!!!" category.
My mother's family emigrated from Ireland during the famine of the 1840s. My 2xs great grandfather vanished from Baltimore in the 1850s, having gone out to buy a paper. He may have been Shanghai'ed. He may have gotten gold fever and lit out for California. Or maybe he got mixed up with a funny skinny man with a big Blue Box. ????
I’m gonna be honest, when I first saw that title I thought she had skipped a lot of episodes and gone straight to the other “[Monster] in manhattan” story.
Also David has implied that this is one of his least favourite episodes from his time on the show… and obviously no disrespect to David but i think that’s mostly because he doesn’t have a lot to do. He’s second fiddle to the secondary guest cast: Aka the Naboo captain from Star Wars episode 1, a really good Shakespearean actress. that guy who was apparently on general hospital but I recognise his face from Nintendo ads and stock footage, and some random kid who I’m sure won’t return to New York and have a big Hollywood role in the future 😉
I wasn’t surprised to see Andrew Garfield in this - I was surprised to see that guy from Series Three’s Dalek story start showing up in other things!
I tend to think of this two parter as one of the less good stories of this series (though I am extremely fond of some of the campier elements, like Talullah and Dalek Sec). However, this time through, even though I was only watching your reaction of it, I was hit really hard with the very obvious parallels it was drawing to N*zi science experiments. This is obvious with the language ("final experiment") and the sorting of people into low and high intelligence (look into Hans Asperger and you'll see what this is referencing), as well as the Daleks having been a N*zi parallel since their inception, but I don't think I'd ever really thought about it before. With the huge rise in fascism globally in the 1930s (which is starting to feel unsettlingly familiar), it makes a lot of sense to have the Daleks in this period doing this sort of thing.
Anyway, I agree that they're not the best episodes but this is actually making me want to watch them again properly to catch everything they're doing here.
Hard for me to pick a favorite Dalek episode because I have seen so many and loved them all.
I really enjoy your predictions and ruminations of what is going on and what is to come, both during a single episode and down the line for the show. Sometimes I just want to say, "Wow, are YOU in for a surprise because..." But - NO SPOILERS HERE! Cheers....
I was waiting for that exact minute when I remembered what the 4th episode was
Nothing like a Doctor Who episode to start the day 😁
This one really suffers from the wonky effects and Noo Yawk accents.
Yeah. I'm not American and the accent from the girl and a few others still sound off.
Tell you what. The failed Dalek organ at 11:43 looks more like a Rutan. (Don't worry about it, Angela, they're only in one classic who episode).
yes, the cult of skaro, doctor mentioned them when they interracted in doomsday. they are really important in this era. also a lot of important actors appeared in doctor who, just watch them! :)
This and its second part are so unfairly hated. Taking the daleks back to their earlier roots where they were more sneaky and coniving. It's campy as fuck but if this had aired back in the classic era it would be regarded as an all time classic and you won;t be able to convince me otherwise.
The dalek that vanished in doomsday said “emergency temporal shift”.