The Fall Of Lolth - Forgotten Realms Lore
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- A certain wizard may have re-written the history of the schism that divided the dark followers of Lolth and the followers of light and Corellon Larenthian, that has been told among those who are not elves.
But who do the elves remember the events that brought down Lolth and her banishment from the Seldarine and the trees of Arvandor?
Today's speaker is a priest of Vhaeraun who retells the fall of Lolth in how the Tel'quessir remembers it (perhaps with a few embellishments).
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A tale truly well told. Just one thing, Corellon recognized Eilistraee's innocence, but she went anyway because she had seen glimpses of a future in which the drow would need her, so she chose to share the exile to be there for them.
We had a much longer script for this, originally told from an Eillistraee cleric that contained this factoid, but we re-wrote and focused our perspective from Vhaeraun priest, so he would naturally avoid telling that part of the story :)
Ahh, I had missed that this was from the PoV of a Vhaeraunite. Makes sense.
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory fantastic story telling!
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I've seen a different story. That Eilistraee was proclaimed innocent but willingfully decided into self-exile to try to bring her people back and not be puppets of her mother, as she would bring more suffering upon them. That was an act of pure compassion of hers.
That's the true one. But this isn't a lore video, they choose to make this one from the perspective of some priest, instead of telling the whole story.
Why are the Drow so evil?
They just do it for the Lolth.
You answered your own question. They are evil to appese the Spider Queen.
@@LightStreak567 r/whoooosh
Zulu swashbuckler.
Andre Michael pietrosche they live underneath the surface and can only come up at night with the exception of one dark elf who i forgot who's name is. And they got to be evil because the goddess and queen that they don't even really love and care for only fear.....a goddess and queen who doesn't necessarily even really love care for them at all that's not freedom just like it wasn't freedom with Hitler and the nazi's. So me and my PC player character say fuck lolth and fuck Hitler🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿🤺😉
I am not. Not all of us are evil.
@@excaliburdemilich4224 Drizzt, is that you?
My family of Drow PCs came from Szith Morcane to Skullport because Eilistraee's song lured the would be matriarch of the new clan(consisting of her, Sah'Aro, and her niece Ehlianna) to find a new path and a new way to live. The Promenade of the Dark Maiden is most welcoming to refugees from the Underdark and a good jump off point for any Drow PCs who aren't outright evil. Eilistraee's death and somewhat abrupt return in 1489 DR is absolutely fantastic for character background. Ehlianna was Eilistraee's most devout paladin and when she died Ehlianna went insane. Her grief made her a terror in the Underdark and drew the attention of the Raven Queen, who offered Ehlianna a new way to terrify what lives in the dark: the powers of a Hexblade. Eilistraee's return has made things complicated for Ehlianna. 😂
Drow society is fascinating.
Deep Gnomes are cooler.
@@user-jv7gr1jb3r gnomes or cool, pick one
@@user-jv7gr1jb3r all of the Underdark races are cool however, the drow have a lot of lore compared to the others.
@@31397slayer bard rock gnome
that tinkers and has crafted a mechanically amplified lute to play the sorrowful tunes of their lost home
Underground niggas in the hood.
i will from this day forward refer to all followers of loth as spider kissers
Well Done!!!! You are now my all things "Forgotten Realm History".
In 4e the Ravenqueen, who once was a elven queen who tried to unite the elfs, also fought once on the side of correlon against lolth and took her portfolio of fate.
Evermeet: Island of Elves by Elaine Cunningham remains one of my favorite Realms novels. I love the Seldarine.
This was a great book!! It blew my mind to find out she had been married to Corellon Larethian.
@@davemckinney6555 as is Sehanine Moonbow lol (they're gods, so). I love Sehanine and Corellon together. But it's a great book for elven lore and history. I recommend it to all Realms fans.
I always liked the other side of the story, that Lolth saw the humans coming, she had seen the over running the elves and killing them all. So she confronted the elven pantheon about it they ignored her she spoke to the elf god king got smacked down and created a plan that even if all the other elves would die the drow would survive.
Thats not the story a vhaeraun cleric would tell :)
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory isn't a story a Lolthite cleric would tell either... it is the sort of sad strange tale that falls by the way side to how victors and the defeated see and recant the tale... still quite enjoy this history lesson
@Jake R and yet the drow are the only elven population that are expanding and do not suffer from fertility issues... strange that.
@@paolof.6899 Still evil though, so.....yeah.
@@paolof.6899 The Drow also need to have children at the same rate as humans do because they are so hell bent on destroying their own people that their longevity dose'nt mean shit.
Beautiful.
Thank you for this beautiful visual feast.
Lolth had 3 children with Corellon.
Vandria didn't betray his father, or wanted to follow her mother to give hope to the Drow.
She is the elven goddess of war, vigilance, grief and duty. The only lawful neutral elven goddess.
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Absolutely amazing. This couldn't have hit my feed at a better time as this is relevant to the campaign I'm running in the Underdark. I've drawn so much inspiration and ideas from this to plug into my story. Thank you.
Make sure to check out the rest of our underdark series. Duergar, Menzoberranzan etc.
Already have!
Well done! The music... your voice... all, well done!
Excellent job! Gifted storytelling on display.
Thank you :)
I love the way you tell these stories.
This is some amazing production value *-*
This was told amazingly well, I needed no further convincing than this one video to subscribe :).
Always happy to see new subscribers :)
Excellent artwork and presentation.
I love these videos please make more. Brings me back
Well met and well made. Although, I have heard the tale told differently. Albeit rarely for this is the more well known and "canon" of it. There is a version of this old song that is sung from Lolth's point of view. Where she asked and begged and pleaded to Corellon for opportunities to prove herself and rise above her station, but he preferred keeping her as just his lover and weaver. Thus making her thirst for ambition more of a desire to break free of her stifling station. There is YET ANOTHER telling of this tale that also hints that Lolth might have very well loved Gruumsh. Or at least felt genuine lust for him. (A desperate housewife falls for the gruff badboy biker from the other side of town sorta scenario.) The rest of the tale goes on to it's inevitable conclusion, but these two small details always seemed to add just the right amount of.... for lack of a better word, humanity to the Spider Goddess. Making her less of a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain and more of a character players could understand. Without condoning or condemning.
But that's just me and my home brew.
Just like all myths and legends, no one really knows how it all played out.
Most of this seems to be directly taken from Evermeet: Island of the elves by Elaine Cunningham. Given she is one of the main original "creators" of FR lore, I would say seems legit. Also, I would never trust Loth. Also, it's Loth not Lolth if your're old school!
@@MrKogline I knew I read it SOMEWHERE on the interwebs (So it MUST be true LOL!) Thanks for the source. Also, how old school we talking? It was Lolth as far back as the original Unearthed Arcana days.
1985: Gary Gygax spells Lolth in Unearthed Arcana
1987: Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting establishes Lolth in the Realms
1988: Salvatore spells her Lloth in The Crystal Shard.
1990: Salvatore spells Loth in Exile book.
1992: Ed Greenwood, Salvatore, and Douglas Niles spell it Lloth in Menzoberranzan Box set.
1995: Lloth used in Elaine Cunningham's book Daughter of the Drow.
1998: Evermeet uses the Spelling of Loth in the story of the Seldarine.
1998: Demihuman Deities states that Lloth is a regional spelling of Menzoberranzan.
~2000: Wizards of the Coast largely removes all varianta and uses Lolth.
Personally, the first authors of the stories used Loth or Lloth and I usually go by the story tellers because to me Forgotten Realms is a story...and I'm biased in favor of Salvatore because I got a friend who never even tried to finish a book let alone read one on his own, read the entire series from start to finish (at the time last one). Then again I'm ok with calling her "Goth chick with daddy issues".
Nicely done. I like how it was told from an In Character perspective from the Vhaeraunian side. If you put Clerics or Lolth, Vhaeraun and Eilistraee together and asked them to tell that story you would indeed get three VERY different tales.
And then probably quite a hefty fight.
The drow have multiple deities that want to dictate their lives...I feel bad for them.
That was great listening to. :) Entertaining and engaging.
As someone who is super new to this and loves the Seldarine Drow in BG3 - this is very helpful.
Interesting. Thanks for the tale!
Phenomenal work! New subscriber!
Excellent as always.
Always striving to improve
Awesome stuff. A request if I may. Could you produce a video narrating the Time of Troubles, when the deities walked on the ground. Would love to hear and see that story. Tyvm for these productions- they are wonderful !!!! =)
Thats.... a large project. Each god really did their own thing, so it would be bulks of lore dumps from each region or a set of gods. One video on the topic would be 30-40 min long :/
Absolutely fantastic!
Thank you :)
You weave a great story The narration is awesome and the music is a great compliment well done
Thank you, we try our best :)
Awesome story, the mythology was well made...I love it.
A great story told with class!
I appreciate that you did this in the perspective of a drow narrator.
Beautifully done my friends, one of the greatest lore channels. Is it possible to have more lore on Eilistraee?? She is the god of all my pc's.
All good I think you already have!!! Stand easy soldier. We'll done
Well, we do have the Eilistraee video linked at the end of this one :) We will do a few more on the dark Seladrine, and I am sure she will get a few more mentions along the way.
why did you say stand easy soldier?..is the narrator a soldier?
This video showed up in my feed. Watched it and subscribed. :) Is there a chance for the goodly gods of knowledge learning and music to have an episode? I do so love Deneir, ohgma and milil. :)
We usually have two approaches to the gods, sometimes they get a double feature and get both, but in the Lolth case, she will get both. We cover her Origin story and will later come back for clergy and worship structure.
For Deneir, Oghma, and Milil, I think we can only do the second one. - They don't really have a mythical creation story behind them like the Dead Three or Tymora & Beshaba.
Glad I found your channel. New subscriber. I love your channel.
Welcome onboard :)
Was there not a Balor that is trapped within a chest or something that magnifies the madness of Lolth. Great narration by the way
That was really Good Thank You !!
Well done. Subscribed.
Welcome on-board :)
I accidentally got to this video, after watching some king maker: Pathfinder & Baldurs gate videos.
Good one, you get my sub 🙂
Nice, welcome on-board :)
Love this channel
The fall of Lolth started the day Drizz't Do'Urden was born.
I know there isn't much known about Ao, but would love to see a video on any information available.
Would maybe be interesting to do a cult of AO video, they are not large, nor popular, but they have some weird rituals.
I remember reading this in some of the books but I can't remember which ones it was best see the part about them hunting Carillion when he was injured
Any Vhaeraun videos?
Very nice videos 👍
I LOVE THIS WORLD !
As do we :)
Nicely done. Earned u a sub...
Hi everyone☺ I hope you all are doing good.
I miss Wendonai here, but its fantastic anyway, hope you contiue this awesome job
Yeah, video was a bit long in the tooth, so anything that came after her fall should be discussed in another video, if we can figure out a good format.
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory praying for It!!
Well done
Whats the timeline for these events?
Are they throughout the crownwars?
Dan Carlin’s Hardcore DnD History
May I ask what books you read and where you got the art for this wonderfully video? My only window into the drow world is through the eyes of Drizzt.
We use a LOT of D&D Sourcebooks. The story comes from Deminuman Deities, but images come from things like Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue, Underdark and other D&D sourcebooks
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory it would make a great book.
I was hoping as well for a book covering these gods.
I was hoping this would be the lore behind Queen of Demonweb Pit 2ed module. This clip should have been titled the Birth of Lolth.
What are these two reddish brown and white creatures in the background f.e. at 06:00-08:00?
It creeves me not to identifie the picture 😅
In Hackmaster, The Grunge Elves, or Grel, participated in the elven war, but consider the drow to be cowards. While the drow fled underground, the Grel just... never stopped fighting.
Grunge Elf
AD&D2e multi-class Ranger/ rogue/ cleric "balance encounter level."
3e , multi-class 12th-level+ character ,power gamed murder forest spirit.
That can easy become a 20th-level monster.
Druids believe in Balance of All LIFE in the Forest. Even the goblin and human have the Right to live to the forest in more or less equal numbers.
Grel are not druids, the Grel Will Kill Every goblin and human the sets foot into Their Forest.
@@krispalermo8133 Exactly why I like them. They're no prissy, overdressed, hippie-dippie husbando elves. The Grel are the answer to any peacocking elf-obsessed player who puts the elven race on too high a pedestal.
Well, in AD&D complete book of elves,
they said Gril will eat a goblin raw.
Or was that the drow ?
Check out the comic series "Elf Quest," they have their own web site.
They are a great read. Very Conan'ish like take on elves.
When 3e came out my game shop use those comic as a campaign setting.
The desert elf ( more like halfling) Rayek , at the "start of the story,"
would have been a 12th-level character by 3e game system.
He already spent a few hundreds years hunting desert board, jackals, and mountain lions.
Rayek: ranger4th/psion6th/ psych warrior2nd, CR:12,:BAB+8
Favorite enemy: board +2, jackal+1
In my personal setting, I play/ run elves as more mythic creatures.
Loaded with a lot of minor magic items starting at 8th-level.
All elves hide behind magic around humans.
Player One: I always play elves and you game sounds no fun !
Me : all elves traveling in human lands are assassins to remove threats to the Elven Forest. Elves have reputations for killing nobles.
Player Two : I'm in.
What about Dwarves ?
fighter2nd/ cleric3rd. CR:5 base. BAB+3
All dwarf run forges make +1arms/armor. and sell healing powder.
I found your channel just after you did this video and then binged the rest. What is your knowledge of Lycanthropes?
Fairly high -But our channel would frame it in a cult/society video, explaining about how the Church of Malar see it as a blessing or talk about the Akri, the Gray Wolf Tribe, Black Blood Tribe or Legion of Lions.
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory I was an old school AD&D 1&2E player. I played a family of Selunite weretigers for years. It's a long trip from Arrabar to Waterdeep. Lol.
Brilliantly read!
Great work by John-Mark here.
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory yes, he does an amazing impression of Michael here. ;)
Well told.
You should do a video on gith on their culture. They can tame ancient red dragons and ride them into battle. Yes, you heard me. Ancient. Red. Freaking. Dragons
Gith are not really that deeply rooted in Forgotten Realms lore, but it would be interesting to talk about them sometime in the future.
Psionics are a powerful thing.
When? Never heard any lore anywhere of ANYONE ever taming a Red.... Let alone an ANCIENT red.... Even a hatchling was far beyond any of the mortals control... Unless we wanna talk D&D the movie.... But that was different as that was only because of a scepter.
@@patrickmcglonejr8163 its literally in baldurs gate 3
@@patrickmcglonejr8163 the more accurate lore would be that the gith and the dragon goddess Tiamat have some sort of deal that allows them to ride red dragons as mounts. It’s a mutual pact between the gith and the dragons.
Is there a podcast for Forgotten Realms Lore?
Nice!
I have subscribed, all praise to Lolth.
Most excellent!
Thank you for the praise :)
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory Thanks for all the great videos!
When will we get to see a video about the Imaskari Empire?
A while yet. There is a lot of lore on the Deep Imaskari that I have yet to consume that I feel I need to research before dedicating myself to the Imaskari Empire.
I guess a good novel series would be the redemption and ascension of Vhaeraun.
In the current era, post-Second Sundering, Eilistraee and Vhaeraun have found some kind of kinship, according to Ed Greenwood (even though their followers still skirmish often). That could be the beginning of such a novel series.
My pitch is Kiaransalee takes over as main Drow goddess, and the rest scurry to save themselves.
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory intriguing, a more frightening fate of the Drow I could not imagine.
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory I LOVE Kiaransalee p!
I'd like to humbly and very constructively congratulate you for using your voiceover talent for these videos recently. Both the narrators' voices and the audio quality used to contrast too notably to your own and your own sound quality, so I do hope you keep separating your professionally crafted videos from the ones you might use for personal promotion or other purposes like the contest you had once. I for one have a very weird and ugly voice so it's not like I'm criticising you with no purpose, it's more for the appreciation of your content and the awesome material you've created.
Faerun History is actually more like 5 people who work together - Three of us do VO, two do Animation (working on a third), four (working on the 5th) write scripts, we all review scripts and give work together on improving our skills. So every video is a mix and match of these five people working together.
Thanks ^^
Ayyy a darkelf from lineage 2 :D
where did u get this info
Evermeet: Island of Elves. Or Demihuman Deities. Or the Drow of the Underdark. Note that this thge origin story in the Forogtten Realms, which is different from Mordenkainen's version, but is true for Toril. Note too that this version is altered, because it's told by a Vhaeraunite character (for example, it neglects to say that Eilistraee chose exile despite her innocence because she had seen glimpses of a future in which the drow would face hardships and pain, and she wanted to be there for them in the times of need--even though she was scared of what she had seen, and she could have had all she wanted if she had just stayed in Arvandor).
Illustrea is the moon elf princess who rules from Silverymoon.
8:01 FUSION DANCE !!!.
The fall of an elven goddess.
The Rise of the Spider Queen goddess.
Can anyone help?
I started listening to an audiobook that started out with Lolth bullying a Balor into serving her, anyone know what it was called?
Siege of Darkness by R.A. Salvatore?
@@eurohobbes Cheers, i'll search it later.
On the Crazy Lich Experimental Logs she died by a demon prince
The Lineage II dark elf😍
Can you do Curse of Strahd next?
Strahd is not really a Forgotten Realms character, but I have been thinking about doing one on the planner connections between the Realm of Dread and the Realms.
Vaguely reminds me of the Greek mythology for the origin of the spider. Main similarity and possibly only one is where a beautiful woman is transformed into a spider.
Indeed, Arachne was turned into a spider for her hubris, much like Lolth.
Awesome job explaining things by the way and great visuals! You got a sub from me on this video. :D
I hope they continue the animated drow movies
1:03 that's Dragon Age elven pantheon xD
Drow is pronounced like KNOW, or GO, or SO. Now HOW. Athrogate ryhmes it near the end of the Pirate King.
Come and rally to me my murder hobo comrades!! Let us take down this spider queen and her army of spider kissers for loot! And XP!!!
Hope you guys can breath & swim through a fallen cave in.
Hmmm the way I see it, yes he is jealous of his sister but also…he doesn’t seem to actually want to be without his sister either. Perhaps even predicting she would follow him upon knowing his banishment. It’s possible if you take this story as the truth that this could be how he felt, whether he admitted it or not. They are twins are they not? I’ve known many a complicated twin relationship in my life and this does not seem out of the realm of possibility in terms of a somewhat toxic but still dependent relationship between siblings, especially when one is overshadowed by the other but the overshadowing one is kind at heart and wishes not to be parted from a dear loved one. This is just one idea I have on the subject but one I think suits this story as it’s told in this instance.
They are destined to become one. Vhaeraeun dies at a certain point, and Ellistrae picks up his mask and his portfolio.
This doesn't last, but for a period, Ellistrae would keep his followers safe.
I wonder what would have happened if loth managed to become the head of the pantheon?
Drow Culture in all elven societies?
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory not exactly, since they wouldn't need certain cultural aspects seeing as they aren't hiding from the rest of their kind.
Selune is the goddess of the moon or was that just another name for her?
Elves and Humans have different gods for the Moon. Some say they are just aspects and they are really the same being behind the mask, but others claim they are separate and have different powers and abilities over their respective areas.
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory I can see that but doesn't make much sense to me unless they are the same god under different names. You can only have one deity of a given domain.
We strike from the shadows, ggz
So this isn’t based on RA Salvatore’s books then I take it? This is like the baldurs gate and icewind dale and neverwinter storylines?
I think the original is in the book Evermeet by Elaine Cunningham.
Finaly!
It took a while, but it was worth it.
Didn't the Raven Queen fuck her up and take over her realm or something? And that's why Birb Mom now controls the web of fate?
The Raven Queen is a Dawn War deity, created for 4E. She's not part of the Realms in current iteration.
Sooo, Jarlaxle is Lloth, right???
Jarlaxle Baenre certainly gives a nod towards Lolth, but I would think he is not exactly a huge follower of hers, more like lip service.
@@ForgottenRealmsHistory the latest has confirmed that Jarlaxle did die. 3rd born. A lot of what I want to say may be spoilers to some so it's hard for me to explain. Baenre knew this, and treated him like he was untouchable. Even more so than Drizzt he seems like the perfect instrument for chaos. Dunno, but I need more proof to convince me otherwise.
I assure you, Jarlaxle has no love for the Spider Queen or her fanatical Priestess, he even sits at chaotic neutral in alignment, because some serious stuff just went down... For further details involving the Royal Renegade of house Baenre, pick up the newest book by R A Salvatore (Timeless) besides. I already no who Lolth is, just not absolutely certain of her motives, yet... :-)
@@dadsdone3524 lol. Thanks for the "heads up", but I had it preordered on both mediums. Big time fan here. But we are talking about chaos incarnate, right? Dont know why you assume I don't know about "her" though. I'm an Aquarius, I think wierd. My thoughts break campaigns. Old One Eye just has a way with people that seems really unnatural. Also, it is confirmed that he was sacrificed. Any explanations?
Khazid' hea died when and where ? Stop playing he was suppose to be sacrificed cuz he was 3rd son but wasn’t...
who is the narrator..he's pretty good
This is Michaels work (see discription) he is a professional voice actor that helps out here cause he is a huge forgotten realms fan. If you want to support him, get one of the audiobooks he voices :)
The drow are such an interesting race
Evil is much of a cultural view and blaming others. As one chapter of RA Salvatore's HOMELAND said: This Enemy, They.
Fall of Lolth? Well a bUnch of 1e adventurers went from G1-3, D1-3, and finally Q1 where they killed Lolth.
But that happened in Greyhawk (G1 at least as a known Greyhawk location), so doesn't count.
Ilysm
Drizzt do urden! She spent centuries worrying about a simple mortal or is he ???
There is one drow elf that everyone loves.. drizzt himself.yes
The Forgotten Realms used to be cool, but after the eighth world shattering cataclysm that changed the whole setting in just over a decade, Faerun's fetish for epic fantasy is getting really stale. I miss Dark Sun and Birthright.
And instead of either of these amazing settings, WotC gives us the garbage that is Ravnica.
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