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I am unemployed right now for further study sir. But for sure,in future I will be remain one of your permanent contributor to the real and solid work and Yagna that you are doing which is going to help the generations to come. As it has been said " Clarity is power ",thats what you are doing to make sleeping Hindus awake.
This concept of spiritual economy is antithesis to anglo saxon political economy which ingrains iis people to normalise concepts like collateral damage in thr name of 'national interest'. This is a very serious topic which should be part of our grand narrative.
1) Rajiv Kumar is 100% correct, it's high time meditation becomes an integral part of day to day life of an individual 2) Rajivji is also 100% correct, Territory and resources must be protected from both external and internal threats 3) All this will work only when one is not hungry and minimum basic needs are fulfilled, the common man has a family to sustain, Government and bureaucracy must fully understand this fact 4) Recent events like, in the state of Andhra pradesh and Telangana will give the opposite effect, if people in such states start feeling the heat, they will defend their dharma( to live in dignity and doing their bread and butter work)
Rajiv-ji.. Let me congratulate and take my hats off for the phenomenal and prodigious amounts of work U have done and doing in the past. During the early 2000s, if U remember, I was not that agreeing with U in everything. But as the years have rolled on, U have proven Urself to be 25 Carat Gold. Thanks.
Rajiv Kumar has to be admired for his deep understanding of the the Bhagvad Gita; and how self-realisation should be the goal rather than fulfilment of material needs as per Maslow' hierarchy
So glad that both Rajivs have established that vasudaiva kutumbakkam must be backed up with strength. The prescription for this is the central message of the Gita.
This is the first time to get to know about Dr. Rajiv Kumar’s philosophical aspect. It also gives some hope and relief that somebody like him, who thinks/believes that way, is heading NITI Ayog. Being a student of economics, when dealing with some issues based on economic theories, which we were taught in our colleges and universities, does not allow to reach a conclusion where 'win-win' situation is feasible. It always led to a greater conflict. This makes us pessimist, even though such theories exist but not nurtured for several centuries for some “Reason”. Thank you for interviewing him and choosing this topic for discussion.
The point is limit ur materialistic wants. Everyone wants to live luxuriously so that others should praise them. If u have a nice family and friends who respects you as a person regardless of ur wealth then u r a richest man in happiness and peace.
Srimad bhagvat geeta and Chanakyaji give instructions...theory and practice...for progress both material and spiritual in Dharmic way including fight for Dharma and Defence.
Something I wrote as a commentary to a chapter from an Economics text. Glad to see exactly these views being reflected here. Economics was defined as the art or science of being able to use the scarce resources available to man on Earth to produce useful products to satisfy man's insatiable desires. I have paraphrased the definition in the text but those were essentially the words in the book. Interestingly, this classic textbook on Economics by Samuelson acknowledged the fact that man's desires are limitless. And in such a situation, there is bound to be a discussion on how best to fulfill the desires of each and every human being. We have not even spoken of fulfilling the desires of each and every living entity on Earth yet! And thus was born the science of Economics which assists mankind in most effectively rationing out the resources available on the Earth. By further analysis and understanding human thought processes at a macro level, economics is supposed to help thrash out this seemingly insurmountable problem. But at this point, what I feel has been a failure on part of these brilliant economists is looking at the problem in a different way. If there are unlimited desires and limited resources and therefore to satisfy each and every desire would require some brilliant analytical solution by which we can drive more efficiency; what has been completely missed is an alternate solution: the reduction in the unlimited desires by which now there is a possibly a one to one match between desires and resources. This could also be a potential solution to the lack of resources to sustain life on Earth. Interestingly enough, the only group of people who recommend this solution are men of religion. This very fact repels the general public today as well as the intelligentsia from experimenting with this solution. If we reduce our desires by even a fraction, there can potentially be a perfect fit between the resources on Earth and what we all need to function optimally and to live happily. This is not an intangible solution. In fact, we may have heard variations of this principle in the financial sections of newspapers or in the essays of economists. A common variation might sound like this: "If China and India start consuming at the present rate of consumption of the West, there will be severe shortages of food, petrol and other essentials". Quite a powerful point! What's surprising is that people in India and China are surviving! An average North American uses so much more than the average Asian, yet the Asians survive just as well as the North Americans. What can be argued is that if the North Americans reduce their standards of consumption by a fraction, the rest of the world might be able to improve their standards by a corresponding fraction. This meet in the middle concept is the cornerstone of any standard negotiation process. What I am trying to say is that there is potentially an acceptable standard of usage for individuals globally and that if we all adhere to that standard, resources can be equitably distributed. Even though this is essentially a socialistic concept, I shall build on this point a little later and explain that I am not entirely talking about socialism! The textbook goes onto to talk about the essential problems addressed in Economics: The what to produce, how to produce and for whom to produce. Today, the what to produce is driven largely by human desires. A historical example is of the British forcing the farmers in Champaran district to grow cash crops like Indigo and tobacco as against food grains. Why? It only makes sense that to feed a nation comprised of an extremely large number of people, farmers should invest time, energy and resources in growing food grains! Yet, the British forced these farmers to grow cash crops. Why? I will leave this one for you to decide. The "how to produce" problem was and is addressed today by science and technology. The more technically advanced a society, the means of production of goods might be less labour intensive for the workers, cost effective for the producers and enables them to scale rapidly. The "for whom to produce" is a question which brings us back to human desires. Depending on the desires of a fraction of human society, goods are produced. We all desire to have the best! That has been drilled into our heads by the modern advertising industry. Every third good or product is marketed to us as being "Simply the best" or "Better than the best". We also desire to "live life king size" and are inspired by movies, the media and celebrities to "dream big". This has essentially served to create unrealistic expectations in most of us. Therefore, the focus of the "what to produce" is no longer on producing essentials, but desirables for these individuals seeking the best. This brings me to an important point discussed in the textbook which is the difference between Positive Economics and Normative economics. Positive economics as the name suggests has been viewed in a positive light by the authors: positive economics deals with facts whereas Normative economics involves value judgments. Without being an expert, I would put the modern study of economics and in fact the focus of economists to be Positive economics. By the above definition however, my interpretation will be largely normative in nature. Why are value judgments today seen to be oppressive in nature? Yes, the judgments could be far from the truth; yet that does not necessarily give a negative connotation to every value judgment. The challenge I see with values are that there are too many of them. Today, "to each is own" is a fashionable concept bandied about by many. Obviously, that is not going to work in society where everyone has their own opinion. Whether we like it or not, we do not follow the "to each his own" paradigm. We follow the ideas of what the majority of society follows. And these ideas may or may not necessarily be the best for us. In today's world, ideas, seemingly ours, might not even be our own! - Anirudh Iyer, 2nd January, 2015
Around 9:40 on the time scale : Rajiv ji , your observation and question is very relevant as to the reality of the way the rest of the world is in this Kal-Yug ! In other words, while we playing nice guys, according to the teachings of our Dharma, others, according to their ideologies, want to dominate or destroy.
Naman to both the gyani, We do indeed need spiritual upbring simultaneously with our regular upbringing...unless we have that feeling towards mother nature her animals her people we will not develop peacefully... Dhanywaad.
The truth of spirituality is that we must never think that we are separate from the existence. One must take care of the basis needs. But if one is after unlimited desires the mind will be always in conflicts.One must learn to face oneself then peace will prevail.
Sj Rajiv ji pl try sahaj yoga in text books allopathy/Ayurveda/ homeopathy/ unani even at security council govt must accept this truth and spread this as aim one of Niti ayog jsm
@@gvbhnnnnnnhh You must be aware of the kinds of things the Church does, (catholic church as an example) they build schools, hospitals, feed the hungry, give shelter to homeless and so much more including converting us heathens to christianity. They require money for all this and this accruing and spending of money by the church can be called church economics. Indian temples also fulfilled many more roles in society than what they do today and they require money for this obviously. Currently the administrators for temple funds (dakshina and whatever else income they have) are government appointed and controlled and there is increasing demand to free them from this same as mosques and churches in India are free of the government. This is my laymans understanding of what the op meant by temple economics. You are welcome....
@@gvbhnnnnnnhh Money flows into and out of temples. We need to maximize the efficiency of utilization of these flows to help provide maximum benefit to society and to further the cause of Dharma. That would be temple economics.
9:14 onwards is the point to be taken seriously while going ahead with having a look into our history. PurvaPaksha is the need of hour from Bharatiya view of world
Thanks for the nice discussion about spirituality and economics. There is limitation of resources on this planet. The legitimate minimum needs of all inhabitants have to be met. Therefore this objective has to be achieved on the basis of exploitation of resources sustainably. Otherwise this planet is bound to be destroyed by its own inhabitants. May Paramatma bless all with good sense to exploit the resources on sustainable basis. May Shree Rajeev Kumar and Rajeev Malhotra be blessed to continue the good work
This is one of the most stimulating conversation I had ever seen.Thankyou so much Rajivji! I am convinced West will be the cause for downfall of the world with the materialistic things and greed and lack of culture and values.It may sound like I am being a lazy Hindu here but there is not much we can do to guard ourselves unless we become like them and that will create lots of conflict for sure and this is Kaliyuga dharma spirituality and Kaliyuga are inversely proportionate to each other and good people will suffer unfortunately
Great hearing to sj of 30 yrs dr ak pl bring respect to-guards like some are humiliated by colonial act in army even civil services dominating authority you as sj will pl seek points from veterans esp sj jsm dr ak sj since 1990 uk USA ind ksa Australia
Recently came across a survey conducted by the western institution, which ranked India is one of the most unhappy countries, the yardstick of happiness shows purely on materialistic comfort as perceived by the westerners
It's very funny to see those guys who dislike the video without recognizing that we'll get a clue about a group of people desperately wanting to challenge and put down Rajivji. Its advantageous to Rajivji though😂😅.
for india best thing is going back to vedas religiously and have open debates who are anti vedas such as many scholars ( so called) call our vedas as mythology we need to challenge them clearly islam christianity capitalism communism as ideologies are failure they should be discussed and rejected out right there is no sense keep on clicking to corpses that they will have life again Indian civilization ( hindu) is knowledge ( veda) based and should be revived as knowledge based if any thing does not works should be abandoned
Vedas have always been passed through oral traditions. Unfortunately, it has become impure and lost due to several people in power who used it for their own gain. I would say that Vedas may not give all answers however, I would anyday like to read the authentic pure form of Vedas written in ancient times. I do respect them.
@@osculocentric vedas are always relevant. Its the deficiency in our sight that we measure their wealth of knowledge by yardstick of our intelligence. The ppl who u talk of have exploited others have not necessarily followed vedic injunctions and thats the cause for failure. They did not /failed to use Vedas rather than saying they used Vedas
Karma yoga states "We have to bear the consequences of the things we have set in to motion" and also the second part says "What you failed to address an evil that happens in front of you that is going to come back to you and bite you even more". For example Tamilnadu Govt is selling liquor in order to BOOST STATE ECONOMY and there are 3 liquor shops near my home. (12HRS-22HRS legal sales, the rest of the time illegal with the blessings of the cops and politicians, and their economy is also growing at 50% to 100% GDP, some times even more)
He was recently issued with a notice from EC of India ,how such a biased person can talk about economics and spirituality ,both are animicslly Against each other.
Why don't you take the world leaders of most nations and their first ladies or just Trump Family on a week long spritual awakening trip to justify your point and let rest of the world follow to justify your approach.
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I am unemployed right now for further study sir.
But for sure,in future I will be remain one of your permanent contributor to the real and solid work and Yagna that you are doing which is going to help the generations to come.
As it has been said " Clarity is power ",thats what you are doing to make sleeping Hindus awake.
This concept of spiritual economy is antithesis to anglo saxon political economy which ingrains iis people to normalise concepts like collateral damage in thr name of 'national interest'. This is a very serious topic which should be part of our grand narrative.
somebody has disliked the video but has not commented the reason for it. Rajiv ji is having a lot of dhristi.
1) Rajiv Kumar is 100% correct, it's high time meditation becomes an integral part of day to day life of an individual
2) Rajivji is also 100% correct, Territory and resources must be protected from both external and internal threats
3) All this will work only when one is not hungry and minimum basic needs are fulfilled, the common man has a family to sustain, Government and bureaucracy must fully understand this fact
4) Recent events like, in the state of Andhra pradesh and Telangana will give the opposite effect, if people in such states start feeling the heat, they will defend their dharma( to live in dignity and doing their bread and butter work)
Rajiv-ji.. Let me congratulate and take my hats off for the phenomenal and prodigious amounts of work U have done and doing in the past. During the early 2000s, if U remember, I was not that agreeing with U in everything. But as the years have rolled on, U have proven Urself to be 25 Carat Gold. Thanks.
Rajiv Kumar has to be admired for his deep understanding of the the Bhagvad Gita; and how self-realisation should be the goal rather than fulfilment of material needs as per Maslow' hierarchy
What Rajiv Kumar has put forth is exactly what our 'shastras' recommend for a man's happiness.It is the pursuit for Dharma,Artha,Kaama and Moksha.
Thanks sir for telling us these things and making us more aware about our culture.
Solid punch on western and Marxist materialism .
So glad that both Rajivs have established that vasudaiva kutumbakkam must be backed up with strength. The prescription for this is the central message of the Gita.
This is the first time to get to know about Dr. Rajiv Kumar’s philosophical aspect. It also gives some hope and relief that somebody like him, who thinks/believes that way, is heading NITI Ayog. Being a student of economics, when dealing with some issues based on economic theories, which we were taught in our colleges and universities, does not allow to reach a conclusion where 'win-win' situation is feasible. It always led to a greater conflict. This makes us pessimist, even though such theories exist but not nurtured for several centuries for some “Reason”. Thank you for interviewing him and choosing this topic for discussion.
The point is limit ur materialistic wants. Everyone wants to live luxuriously so that others should praise them. If u have a nice family and friends who respects you as a person regardless of ur wealth then u r a richest man in happiness and peace.
Srimad bhagvat geeta and Chanakyaji give instructions...theory and practice...for progress both material and spiritual in Dharmic way including fight for Dharma and Defence.
Something I wrote as a commentary to a chapter from an Economics text. Glad to see exactly these views being reflected here.
Economics was defined as the art or science of being able to use the scarce resources available to man on Earth to produce useful products to satisfy man's insatiable desires. I have paraphrased the definition in the text but those were essentially the words in the book. Interestingly, this classic textbook on Economics by Samuelson acknowledged the fact that man's desires are limitless. And in such a situation, there is bound to be a discussion on how best to fulfill the desires of each and every human being. We have not even spoken of fulfilling the desires of each and every living entity on Earth yet! And thus was born the science of Economics which assists mankind in most effectively rationing out the resources available on the Earth. By further analysis and understanding human thought processes at a macro level, economics is supposed to help thrash out this seemingly insurmountable problem.
But at this point, what I feel has been a failure on part of these brilliant economists is looking at the problem in a different way. If there are unlimited desires and limited resources and therefore to satisfy each and every desire would require some brilliant analytical solution by which we can drive more efficiency; what has been completely missed is an alternate solution: the reduction in the unlimited desires by which now there is a possibly a one to one match between desires and resources. This could also be a potential solution to the lack of resources to sustain life on Earth. Interestingly enough, the only group of people who recommend this solution are men of religion. This very fact repels the general public today as well as the intelligentsia from experimenting with this solution. If we reduce our desires by even a fraction, there can potentially be a perfect fit between the resources on Earth and what we all need to function optimally and to live happily.
This is not an intangible solution. In fact, we may have heard variations of this principle in the financial sections of newspapers or in the essays of economists. A common variation might sound like this: "If China and India start consuming at the present rate of consumption of the West, there will be severe shortages of food, petrol and other essentials". Quite a powerful point! What's surprising is that people in India and China are surviving! An average North American uses so much more than the average Asian, yet the Asians survive just as well as the North Americans. What can be argued is that if the North Americans reduce their standards of consumption by a fraction, the rest of the world might be able to improve their standards by a corresponding fraction. This meet in the middle concept is the cornerstone of any standard negotiation process. What I am trying to say is that there is potentially an acceptable standard of usage for individuals globally and that if we all adhere to that standard, resources can be equitably distributed. Even though this is essentially a socialistic concept, I shall build on this point a little later and explain that I am not entirely talking about socialism!
The textbook goes onto to talk about the essential problems addressed in Economics: The what to produce, how to produce and for whom to produce. Today, the what to produce is driven largely by human desires. A historical example is of the British forcing the farmers in Champaran district to grow cash crops like Indigo and tobacco as against food grains. Why? It only makes sense that to feed a nation comprised of an extremely large number of people, farmers should invest time, energy and resources in growing food grains! Yet, the British forced these farmers to grow cash crops. Why? I will leave this one for you to decide. The "how to produce" problem was and is addressed today by science and technology. The more technically advanced a society, the means of production of goods might be less labour intensive for the workers, cost effective for the producers and enables them to scale rapidly. The "for whom to produce" is a question which brings us back to human desires. Depending on the desires of a fraction of human society, goods are produced. We all desire to have the best! That has been drilled into our heads by the modern advertising industry. Every third good or product is marketed to us as being "Simply the best" or "Better than the best". We also desire to "live life king size" and are inspired by movies, the media and celebrities to "dream big". This has essentially served to create unrealistic expectations in most of us. Therefore, the focus of the "what to produce" is no longer on producing essentials, but desirables for these individuals seeking the best.
This brings me to an important point discussed in the textbook which is the difference between Positive Economics and Normative economics. Positive economics as the name suggests has been viewed in a positive light by the authors: positive economics deals with facts whereas Normative economics involves value judgments. Without being an expert, I would put the modern study of economics and in fact the focus of economists to be Positive economics. By the above definition however, my interpretation will be largely normative in nature. Why are value judgments today seen to be oppressive in nature? Yes, the judgments could be far from the truth; yet that does not necessarily give a negative connotation to every value judgment. The challenge I see with values are that there are too many of them. Today, "to each is own" is a fashionable concept bandied about by many. Obviously, that is not going to work in society where everyone has their own opinion. Whether we like it or not, we do not follow the "to each his own" paradigm. We follow the ideas of what the majority of society follows. And these ideas may or may not necessarily be the best for us. In today's world, ideas, seemingly ours, might not even be our own!
- Anirudh Iyer, 2nd January, 2015
When you understand the philosophy of VASUDEV KUTUMBHKUM then you are on the right path of humanity
Sir one of the best videos of yours....
Jai Parashurama 🚩🚩🚩
Around 9:40 on the time scale : Rajiv ji , your observation and question is very relevant as to the reality of the way the rest of the world is in this Kal-Yug ! In other words, while we playing nice guys, according to the teachings of our Dharma, others, according to their ideologies, want to dominate or destroy.
We must Spiritualize🕉🚩 the Free market economy ( croony capitalism).
Naman to both the gyani,
We do indeed need spiritual upbring simultaneously with our regular upbringing...unless we have that feeling towards mother nature her animals her people we will not develop peacefully...
Dhanywaad.
Rightly orientated person for the job.
The truth of spirituality is that we must never think that we are separate from the existence. One must take care of the basis needs. But if one is after unlimited desires the mind will be always in conflicts.One must learn to face oneself then peace will prevail.
Very nice 👌
We need to come out from material values based society. Join spiritual society.
That is why Chaturbarna was created according to the need of the society. Khatriyas were dedicated to protect the territory.
Varna was not as per birth if that what you mean.
Sj Rajiv ji pl try sahaj yoga in text books allopathy/Ayurveda/ homeopathy/ unani even at security council govt must accept this truth and spread this as aim one of Niti ayog jsm
Please let us know the stand this guest has taken about temple economics.
What is temple economics?
@@gvbhnnnnnnhh You must be aware of the kinds of things the Church does, (catholic church as an example) they build schools, hospitals, feed the hungry, give shelter to homeless and so much more including converting us heathens to christianity. They require money for all this and this accruing and spending of money by the church can be called church economics.
Indian temples also fulfilled many more roles in society than what they do today and they require money for this obviously. Currently the administrators for temple funds (dakshina and whatever else income they have) are government appointed and controlled and there is increasing demand to free them from this same as mosques and churches in India are free of the government.
This is my laymans understanding of what the op meant by temple economics. You are welcome....
@@gvbhnnnnnnhh Money flows into and out of temples. We need to maximize the efficiency of utilization of these flows to help provide maximum benefit to society and to further the cause of Dharma. That would be temple economics.
9:14 onwards is the point to be taken seriously while going ahead with having a look into our history. PurvaPaksha is the need of hour from Bharatiya view of world
Thanks for the nice discussion about spirituality and economics. There is limitation of resources on this planet. The legitimate minimum needs of all inhabitants have to be met. Therefore this objective has to be achieved on the basis of exploitation of resources sustainably. Otherwise this planet is bound to be destroyed by its own inhabitants.
May Paramatma bless all with good sense to exploit the resources on sustainable basis. May Shree Rajeev Kumar and Rajeev Malhotra be blessed to continue the good work
Excellent dis cssion.
Col Patil green thumb pune and
This is one of the most stimulating conversation I had ever seen.Thankyou so much Rajivji! I am convinced West will be the cause for downfall of the world with the materialistic things and greed and lack of culture and values.It may sound like I am being a lazy Hindu here but there is not much we can do to guard ourselves unless we become like them and that will create lots of conflict for sure and this is Kaliyuga dharma spirituality and Kaliyuga are inversely proportionate to each other and good people will suffer unfortunately
The term better than "anand" at 7:57 can be "आत्म संपूर्णतया" , which means "fulfilled within thyself".
Great hearing to sj of 30 yrs dr ak pl bring respect to-guards like some are humiliated by colonial act in army even civil services dominating authority you as sj will pl seek points from veterans esp sj jsm dr ak sj since 1990 uk USA ind ksa Australia
Thank-you sirs..
Very thought provoking but too short...
Recently came across a survey conducted by the western institution, which ranked India is one of the most unhappy countries, the yardstick of happiness shows purely on materialistic comfort as perceived by the westerners
It's very funny to see those guys who dislike the video without recognizing that we'll get a clue about a group of people desperately wanting to challenge and put down Rajivji. Its advantageous to Rajivji though😂😅.
for india best thing is going back to vedas religiously and have open debates who are anti vedas such as many scholars ( so called) call our vedas as mythology we need to challenge them clearly islam christianity capitalism communism as ideologies are failure they should be discussed and rejected out right there is no sense keep on clicking to corpses that they will have life again Indian civilization ( hindu) is knowledge ( veda) based and should be revived as knowledge based if any thing does not works should be abandoned
Vedas have always been passed through oral traditions. Unfortunately, it has become impure and lost due to several people in power who used it for their own gain.
I would say that Vedas may not give all answers however, I would anyday like to read the authentic pure form of Vedas written in ancient times. I do respect them.
@@osculocentric vedas are always relevant. Its the deficiency in our sight that we measure their wealth of knowledge by yardstick of our intelligence.
The ppl who u talk of have exploited others have not necessarily followed vedic injunctions and thats the cause for failure. They did not /failed to use Vedas rather than saying they used Vedas
Karma yoga states "We have to bear the consequences of the things we have set in to motion" and also the second part says "What you failed to address an evil that happens in front of you that is going to come back to you and bite you even more".
For example Tamilnadu Govt is selling liquor in order to BOOST STATE ECONOMY and there are 3 liquor shops near my home. (12HRS-22HRS legal sales, the rest of the time illegal with the blessings of the cops and politicians, and their economy is also growing at 50% to 100% GDP, some times even more)
What it means to be spiritual?
Sir please say some word about rajiv dikshit.....
He was a fool only liked by small town villager
Hi Rajiv.M, (looks my age or just above). I regularly watching your presentation.
please have a conversation with chakraborty sulibele please
I agree.
That's why PQLI is better than HDI. Is'nt it???
We need vipasanna and osho meditation centre every 50 km
Sadhguru Jaggi Vaudev can make difference in this aspect sir
Manmohan Singh photo behind Rajiv Malhotra 😄😄😄
Thanks rajiv ji for all work you do for us
He was recently issued with a notice from EC of India ,how such a biased person can talk about economics and spirituality ,both are animicslly Against each other.
"Every spiritual tradition is the same" - is incorrect.
Why don't you take the world leaders of most nations and their first ladies or just Trump Family on a week long spritual awakening trip to justify your point and let rest of the world follow to justify your approach.