So the main reason you didn't see higher numbers on the golem and had abysmal rampup is that you waste waaaaay too much time waiting for energy on Kalla. There are two ways to fix your dps: 1) you are not supposed to use Razorclaw twice per loop, after the second Icerazor you swap. If you need to waste some energy, you can use f2 for group might or Breakrazor for group healing and resolution. 2) just don't use the charged mists trait, but song of the mists instead. If you are not good at swapping energy below 10 energy, you WILL do more dps with song of the mists, just by swapping legends off cd. Some other tipps: - note that the spear auto attacks have the new hybrid design to swap between a melee and a ranged attack depending on your distance to the target. the melee attacks are faster and therefore more dps. so even though the weapon is fully ranged, you lose dps if you don't stand next to the target. - unless you need the cc from Kalla, always swap Kalla first instead of Mallyx. Mallyx is a lot more dps since your torment is your main damage source. - always use spear 5 first before using 2 or 4. Your main priority after that is to never have 3 stacks of spear 5, so highest prio are 2 and 4 for cooldown resets, but only if you don't already have stacks of spear 5. - if the situation allows it, use spear 3 by dashing through the boss hitbox to use up leftover energy. every mine you drop with that skill that gets triggered further reduces cd on spear 5. you can also use spear 3 as a relatively cheap evade skill - other people already mentioned it, but Banish Enchantment on Mallyx is simply the best boon strip ability in the game. it's 900 range, 5 targets, pierces and strips 3 boons on no cooldown except for the 20 energy you need (so 4 seconds of waiting at most) - Call the Anguish on Mallyx is also a decent skill for AOE pulls and some cc if you really don't have Kalla available. - if, for some reason, you are very high on energy, use f3 for big extra damage. It usually doesn't fit in the alac rota, but sometimes you have downtime, so your energy builds up. - IMPORTANT: currently condi renegade is in the fortunate spot that a lot of weapon options are very similar in dps. camping only spear is very similar to swapping to mace/axe+spear or shortbow+spear, but the rampup times are different. the mace variant has the highest burst potential, but shortbow also offers decent burst, good access to extra cc and you can stay full ranged. even playing the old-fashioned mace/axe+shortbow build yields similar dps, so it all comes down to preference currently. the spear-only build is just the easiest to learn and play since you don't need to worry about weapon swap.
I wouldn’t advise to drop charged mist trait for song of the mist, even if you are still learning the build. The charged mist proc is imo the main source of satisfaction and challenge in this build. Struggling with it is part of the learning but you’ll be more than satisfied mastering it
@TheSithHugo that's fair, but as a matter of fact, it makes the build a lot more challenging to play and punishing if you miss the proc. The bench with Song of the mists is not even that much lower to begin with, so for builds that are easy to learn, as muk likes them, it's a good pick
Fantastic video, thanks for giving it a shot! I feel it's worth mentioning to any Rev players out there; don't forget one of the most underused utilities in the game! Banish Enchantment on Mallyx! Triple boon removal that can be spammed, pierces 5 targets, at 900 range! (at a moderate cost to energy). Sure, DPS will suffer, but it's so useful on certain fights that require a lot of boon removal. And lastly, Breakrazor's Bastion on Kalla! It gives the whole group healing, resolution, and barrier (when empowered). Great for some group sustain when in an emergency!
super jealous seeing someone play with so little ping. The skills just flip instantly. I'm playing on southeast asia and normal ping for me is ~250, I have to wait like a second if i want to activate skills in succession, they just don't register fast enough. Love the vid tho
I use a similar build but for dps (viper instead of ritualist). Current guides add mace/axe but they are intensive and it's hard to go below 10%. Because I have high ping I couldn't get decent results and use only spear today. It's quite a relaxing build and dps about 35k on the golem. I can't use arcdps (macos player) so it's highly likely to improve even better. - As already said, learn how to play around charged mist. It's not only about dps - it forces you to read and learn renegade's skills. How many energy they consume, and what they are for. - Learn when to press 2 and 4 to minimize time when all skills are off. - Condi qdps herald uses the same equipment. It helped me when I was tight on budget. - A lot of skills apply a chilling effect - soft cc. This build is tonnes of cc. And it's not rare when I sacrifice rotation to focus on breaking bars when my party is free to do dps. - Breakrazor's Bastion is an aoe skill - it can save not only you. (hello 1-healer boneskinner random parties) - Icerazors' Ire and Razorclaw's Rage are so good for cleaning trash mobs. But there is a drawback - spear skills don't provide burst dps. So it's not a good build for fractals for example.
My problem with Revenant is I find myself laser focused on my energy bar the whole time due to needing to swap under 10 and having no way at all to track that outside staring at the bottom of my screen the whole time. I played Rev for a solid 6 months, and it never got any more intuitive so I stopped playing it. I love the vibes of the class and everything about the class is so cool, except the energy system, which is terrible for me.
Looks like I see what I need to gear up next if I want an actual ADPS build. Been doing it as power alac Tempest and it is a huge PITA to maintain full alac uptime with that build. It's even higher APM than the DPS build and you absolutely can't make a mistake with it's rotation. Meanwhile this build just slaps the Orders button off cd and maintains 100% alac uptime
@@sanguin3 every revenant player, yes, but if you look at the complete player base you'll find that revenant is still one of the least played professions
I love revenant pretty much my main for fract cms etc and my boondpser on 99 and 100 cm i can reach 25k dps comfortably (unless i gotta boonrip etc) Imo melee is always better, range is just a benefit I THINK melee has faster AS so more stacks of torment (and mallyx "ult") Pps im playing pugs only 10k ufe most healers know what to do so take it all with a pinch of salt dps does drop off a good chunk if you play with not so great people To add into it yet again the qdps built of this is more beginner friendly considering all you gotta do is to activate demon ult and you pulse quickness, or herald F2 and 2 specific signets(might and fury signet) while spamming the other 2 signets for extra dps so theres no issue with energy balancing etc like adps it can deal roughly same dps but will be alot more beginner friendly Adps renegade with just spear has quickly become my top build its fun easy to get into still needs to be semi skilled so its a ideal mix between ele weaver piano playing and a class which just AA
Ele spear works way better on tempest and catalyst, since the dual skills of weaver kinda oppose to how the etching mechanic works (+they dont do damage so its even worse). Both Tempest (DPS) and Cata (qDPS or DPS) work really well with spear and are builds I tried and very much enjoyed.
@@starlight8398 ahhh makes sense its just that weaver is my prefered ele spec when it comes to dps i dont have the experience with catalayst and tempest well i dont like the overload mechanic but i will give it a try. I am about to finish the Ledgy Spear and that means loads of testing on stats gear and combs :D
I wish it were the case, but engi spear is condi, and scrapper does not do condi builds, so we'll have to wait for an electrostaff or something to swap from our hammer (dps) or shortbow (heals). (and even on condi builds, its hard to pass up pistols for the 100% uptime a fully ranged build gives you, though spear is nice).
Sounds like my Revenant (who just hit 80 the other day via tomes) will be going Renegade first and make a mess of this build just to annoy everyone. :P (unless someone's got any better idea for babby's first Rev, anyways :)
The QDPS Herald build is suuuper easy imo if you just want something simple. Camp greatsword (or sword/sword if you don't have access to greatsword), in dragon stance press 6-9, at low energy quickly use the f2 twice (I always forget this part), then swap to assassin, activate impossible odds, double tap f2 and swap back to dragon at low energy, rinse repeat.
I would say Condie Ren, is probably 1 of the best in terms of ease and DPS. doing dps i get around 35k, but i'm not providing Alac, so i would say you doing around that is good. i would say you mainly want to spam the spear 5 skill, then the 2 which i believe gets buffed when you have the 5 skill buff on you, then you would use the 4 in Demon Stance, then spam the 5. as alac you maybe able to save on some energy and skip the 4, not saying that it is not a good skill or you shouldn't use it you just might get that extra alac uptime if you struggling, with that.
If you want to be cheeky, set you aoes to instant and snap to target. You lose some control of spear 3 and mallyx leap unless your good at de selecting targets but you can go brain dead trying to land your skills. Great for raids and strikes but not open world.
as said above, the normal version does 600 cc on breakbars too. the buffed version gives resistance and does the cc instantly instead of a casting time of like 2s
Hi, I'm the karen that pestered muk until he played it. :3
Thanks for trying it out again! :D
So the main reason you didn't see higher numbers on the golem and had abysmal rampup is that you waste waaaaay too much time waiting for energy on Kalla. There are two ways to fix your dps: 1) you are not supposed to use Razorclaw twice per loop, after the second Icerazor you swap. If you need to waste some energy, you can use f2 for group might or Breakrazor for group healing and resolution. 2) just don't use the charged mists trait, but song of the mists instead. If you are not good at swapping energy below 10 energy, you WILL do more dps with song of the mists, just by swapping legends off cd.
Some other tipps:
- note that the spear auto attacks have the new hybrid design to swap between a melee and a ranged attack depending on your distance to the target. the melee attacks are faster and therefore more dps. so even though the weapon is fully ranged, you lose dps if you don't stand next to the target.
- unless you need the cc from Kalla, always swap Kalla first instead of Mallyx. Mallyx is a lot more dps since your torment is your main damage source.
- always use spear 5 first before using 2 or 4. Your main priority after that is to never have 3 stacks of spear 5, so highest prio are 2 and 4 for cooldown resets, but only if you don't already have stacks of spear 5.
- if the situation allows it, use spear 3 by dashing through the boss hitbox to use up leftover energy. every mine you drop with that skill that gets triggered further reduces cd on spear 5. you can also use spear 3 as a relatively cheap evade skill
- other people already mentioned it, but Banish Enchantment on Mallyx is simply the best boon strip ability in the game. it's 900 range, 5 targets, pierces and strips 3 boons on no cooldown except for the 20 energy you need (so 4 seconds of waiting at most)
- Call the Anguish on Mallyx is also a decent skill for AOE pulls and some cc if you really don't have Kalla available.
- if, for some reason, you are very high on energy, use f3 for big extra damage. It usually doesn't fit in the alac rota, but sometimes you have downtime, so your energy builds up.
- IMPORTANT: currently condi renegade is in the fortunate spot that a lot of weapon options are very similar in dps. camping only spear is very similar to swapping to mace/axe+spear or shortbow+spear, but the rampup times are different. the mace variant has the highest burst potential, but shortbow also offers decent burst, good access to extra cc and you can stay full ranged. even playing the old-fashioned mace/axe+shortbow build yields similar dps, so it all comes down to preference currently. the spear-only build is just the easiest to learn and play since you don't need to worry about weapon swap.
Love the feedback, TY.
I wouldn’t advise to drop charged mist trait for song of the mist, even if you are still learning the build. The charged mist proc is imo the main source of satisfaction and challenge in this build. Struggling with it is part of the learning but you’ll be more than satisfied mastering it
@TheSithHugo that's fair, but as a matter of fact, it makes the build a lot more challenging to play and punishing if you miss the proc. The bench with Song of the mists is not even that much lower to begin with, so for builds that are easy to learn, as muk likes them, it's a good pick
Fantastic video, thanks for giving it a shot!
I feel it's worth mentioning to any Rev players out there; don't forget one of the most underused utilities in the game! Banish Enchantment on Mallyx! Triple boon removal that can be spammed, pierces 5 targets, at 900 range! (at a moderate cost to energy). Sure, DPS will suffer, but it's so useful on certain fights that require a lot of boon removal.
And lastly, Breakrazor's Bastion on Kalla! It gives the whole group healing, resolution, and barrier (when empowered). Great for some group sustain when in an emergency!
super jealous seeing someone play with so little ping. The skills just flip instantly. I'm playing on southeast asia and normal ping for me is ~250, I have to wait like a second if i want to activate skills in succession, they just don't register fast enough. Love the vid tho
I use a similar build but for dps (viper instead of ritualist). Current guides add mace/axe but they are intensive and it's hard to go below 10%. Because I have high ping I couldn't get decent results and use only spear today. It's quite a relaxing build and dps about 35k on the golem. I can't use arcdps (macos player) so it's highly likely to improve even better.
- As already said, learn how to play around charged mist. It's not only about dps - it forces you to read and learn renegade's skills. How many energy they consume, and what they are for.
- Learn when to press 2 and 4 to minimize time when all skills are off.
- Condi qdps herald uses the same equipment. It helped me when I was tight on budget.
- A lot of skills apply a chilling effect - soft cc. This build is tonnes of cc. And it's not rare when I sacrifice rotation to focus on breaking bars when my party is free to do dps.
- Breakrazor's Bastion is an aoe skill - it can save not only you. (hello 1-healer boneskinner random parties)
- Icerazors' Ire and Razorclaw's Rage are so good for cleaning trash mobs.
But there is a drawback - spear skills don't provide burst dps. So it's not a good build for fractals for example.
My problem with Revenant is I find myself laser focused on my energy bar the whole time due to needing to swap under 10 and having no way at all to track that outside staring at the bottom of my screen the whole time. I played Rev for a solid 6 months, and it never got any more intuitive so I stopped playing it. I love the vibes of the class and everything about the class is so cool, except the energy system, which is terrible for me.
Nice video. As a rev main this is my go to build for metas / open workd as giving out boons is enough for kill credit / farming
Looks like I see what I need to gear up next if I want an actual ADPS build. Been doing it as power alac Tempest and it is a huge PITA to maintain full alac uptime with that build. It's even higher APM than the DPS build and you absolutely can't make a mistake with it's rotation. Meanwhile this build just slaps the Orders button off cd and maintains 100% alac uptime
Yes. Spread the Revenant propaganda. Bring more people to the best class
You mean warrior.
You both mean engi right?
Yeah rev is amazing, but I also really understand why noone plays it :P
@@basvriese1934everyone is playing quick DPS Herald and completely forgot about the every other builds lol.
@@sanguin3 every revenant player, yes, but if you look at the complete player base you'll find that revenant is still one of the least played professions
I highly prefer the pre nerf fast pace, but its a super cool spec to play specially when you get the flow of the energy menagement
This build looks hard looking at your setup:
ANALYZER, SOUND FILTER. CAT CAM. DOG CAM. PEDALS. SIX CONSOLES. AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TOWER. FPV DRONE
Thank you for making this video, fellow human. I, too, like Gen 3 bacon (I'm sorry Mrs. Luk).
I love revenant pretty much my main for fract cms etc and my boondpser on 99 and 100 cm i can reach 25k dps comfortably (unless i gotta boonrip etc)
Imo melee is always better, range is just a benefit I THINK melee has faster AS so more stacks of torment (and mallyx "ult")
Pps im playing pugs only 10k ufe most healers know what to do so take it all with a pinch of salt dps does drop off a good chunk if you play with not so great people
To add into it yet again the qdps built of this is more beginner friendly considering all you gotta do is to activate demon ult and you pulse quickness, or herald F2 and 2 specific signets(might and fury signet) while spamming the other 2 signets for extra dps so theres no issue with energy balancing etc like adps it can deal roughly same dps but will be alot more beginner friendly
Adps renegade with just spear has quickly become my top build its fun easy to get into still needs to be semi skilled so its a ideal mix between ele weaver piano playing and a class which just AA
0:02 Right at the beginning: energy bar 49%. This needs to be fixed! :D
Also 4:11 99% and doesnt go to 100% :(
i am really wondering on if spear weaver could work the skills look really pretty on elementalist. Nice Video btw :D
Ele spear works way better on tempest and catalyst, since the dual skills of weaver kinda oppose to how the etching mechanic works (+they dont do damage so its even worse). Both Tempest (DPS) and Cata (qDPS or DPS) work really well with spear and are builds I tried and very much enjoyed.
@@starlight8398 ahhh makes sense its just that weaver is my prefered ele spec when it comes to dps i dont have the experience with catalayst and tempest well i dont like the overload mechanic
but i will give it a try. I am about to finish the Ledgy Spear and that means loads of testing on stats gear and combs :D
Please, Please try Scrapper Spear. I need some hints on how to get my DPS up. I am only getting about 8-14K.
engi spear is a condi weapon and scrapper is a power or healer spec, try holo or mech instead
Believe the comment above! I personally enjoy mech spear. Very easy learning curve imo and does pretty decent damage
I wish it were the case, but engi spear is condi, and scrapper does not do condi builds, so we'll have to wait for an electrostaff or something to swap from our hammer (dps) or shortbow (heals). (and even on condi builds, its hard to pass up pistols for the 100% uptime a fully ranged build gives you, though spear is nice).
@@cameirusisu1024 to be fair spear has enough dashes might not be 100% but its decent. Plus it allows you to use bomb kit in a more optimal fashion.
Mech spear is great. My only complaint is spear 5 puts you in the targets hitbox, and when it's not ideal, it's *really* not ideal.
thus build used to hit 50k dps before nerf(non alac version)
whyyy anet WHYYYYYYYYYYY
Sounds like my Revenant (who just hit 80 the other day via tomes) will be going Renegade first and make a mess of this build just to annoy everyone. :P (unless someone's got any better idea for babby's first Rev, anyways :)
The QDPS Herald build is suuuper easy imo if you just want something simple. Camp greatsword (or sword/sword if you don't have access to greatsword), in dragon stance press 6-9, at low energy quickly use the f2 twice (I always forget this part), then swap to assassin, activate impossible odds, double tap f2 and swap back to dragon at low energy, rinse repeat.
I would say Condie Ren, is probably 1 of the best in terms of ease and DPS. doing dps i get around 35k, but i'm not providing Alac, so i would say you doing around that is good. i would say you mainly want to spam the spear 5 skill, then the 2 which i believe gets buffed when you have the 5 skill buff on you, then you would use the 4 in Demon Stance, then spam the 5. as alac you maybe able to save on some energy and skip the 4, not saying that it is not a good skill or you shouldn't use it you just might get that extra alac uptime if you struggling, with that.
spear mech when!!?
If you want to be cheeky, set you aoes to instant and snap to target. You lose some control of spear 3 and mallyx leap unless your good at de selecting targets but you can go brain dead trying to land your skills. Great for raids and strikes but not open world.
the 600 breakbar are only if you chain/upgrade the skill with another utility. else its "just" a 200 aoe breakbar
It always does 600. The enhance only gives resistance. The in game tooltip is a mess.
as said above, the normal version does 600 cc on breakbars too. the buffed version gives resistance and does the cc instantly instead of a casting time of like 2s