Forgot to post a comment earlier noting that if you're curious, there are a few extra notes on the gameplay I've put in the description. These are just a few extra bullet points that I wanted to put in or took out of the video because they screwed with the pacing.
6:52 - 8:01 OMG THIS! Do you how many people seem to ignore all this about Bayo 2? I love what the game brings, but these nonsensical changes to an otherwise near perfect system is a complete detriment to the game. Thanks for pointing this out.
Finally i saw someone who actually acknowledged that B2 introduced many problems to its core gameplay design and to an extent destroyed the master level designs of B1, not just blindly praising B2 for whatever the trivial changes it brought to make the game easier for those people who only play through the game once. Great video, hope more people can see it and understand the intricacies of this game.
3:48 on the subject of Grace & Glory, something interesting to mention is that you somewhat CAN wait until they’re done! Grace & Glory (and their harder counterparts, Gracious & Glorious) don’t attack you at the same time, unlike other enemies. Only one is programmed to do a combo at a time to keep a player from getting indefinitely locked in their attacks. When you attack one of them, lets say Glory, Glory is no longer in its “attacking” state, meaning that Grace is allowed to attack. But it takes time for that to register, & as a result you get a few extra seconds to attack Glory before Grace comes at you. But of course it gets less lenient on later difficulties!
This was actually a really good video. Usually, when people discuss Bayonetta's gameplay, they just glorify it in an unspecified manner. This video was good because it not only truly showed the technicality of Bayonetta's complex gameplay, but even in the footage you provided I can tell that you actually tried to do a great job (despite being hit so many times).
Dynasty Warriors uses its enemies differently than Bayonetta though. They're passive because they're not intended to be the challenge - the challenge is in learning how to clear them out efficiently using the moves you have available. In addition, Bayonetta doesn't have the extra layer of challenge Dynasty Warriors has in having to keep an eye on the minimap, surveying your surroundings and weighing up the risk versus reward of multiple objectives in different areas of the map.
Dynasty Warriors would be unplayable with Bayonetta's enemies, and it would be a tremendous waste of potential to have Dynasty Warriors' enemies in Bayonetta. Each work in their own series, but as things are, you might enjoy fighting one more than the other.
Campaign "improvements"? I'm not too sure what they mean, I found the NPCs that tagged along in some levels highly annoying. It had some great visuals and weapons but I think everything else fell below the 1st game.
@@realevostevo I think they mean improvements by the lack of instant QTEs and less awful vehicle sections that overstay their welcome. But still, even with the improvements they did make, they butchered the combat. Enemy aggression is terrible, their defensive capabilites are op against you, and it just in generally felt rushed without any thought put behind it aside from making it look good. Because it feels awful even when you're doing well. It just feels claustrophobic. Like I have to play a certain way to do well. Alot of attacks also have poor tell cues and even more so when enemies are aggroed. It's just poor design and it shouldn't be that way when the first game did it better. Just because a game looks better and feels faster which gets your adrenaline pumping DOESNT mean its well designed or intuitive. I mean I wish they would just leave Witch Time alone. Also this game tries to please everybody and fails at most of it honestly bc as arbitrarily poor as the combat is, the balance they tried to instill was making the game more accessible with items being usable with lollipops not costing you any grade and making the Bracelet of Time OP. They also made Alruna OP bc they couldn't be bothered creating other opportunities to stagger enemies or slow the pace of the game. It's just poor in taste and dignity. It's vapid and hollow, but HEY it sure is shiny so I guess people think it's better lol
The reasons you discuss in this video are why I love the Lynels in Breath of the Wild so much- they've got a really large moveset, they telegraph everything, and they're also not stunned by basically anything other than Urbosa's Fury or an arrow to the face, the latter of which can be really difficult to do since it's a small hitbox on a fast moving and agile target. Every move can be countered but it takes a long time to learn those moves and how to approach them, fighting one that has a crusher it's nearly impossible to flurry rush them because the aoe blast will still hit you even if you dodge the club itself.
I also love them in BoTW, they are by far the best enemies in the game, I just wish the bosses used some of this designs as well, they fell so shallow compared to the Lynel fights
Here I am playing Devil May Cry 4 SE and I find myself feeling like the story in the game seems lacking, like something important is missing. With that I'm off to google which leads me to finding very good indications that half of the game was cut; interesting stuff. After that I found myself looking up the DMC4 novel and for some reason that led me to look up mechanics of the game such as Jump Cancelling. Somehow that landed me on your video about Credo and Boss fight design even though the JC video had nothing related to Credo or even any boss in the game. Now here I am hours later, DMC4 idle to the side, having watched most of your content. And what great content it is, I'm absolutely loving the more analytical side of games and mechanics you present over the more common reviews you see out there. Thanks for your great work sir, you got a new subscriber who is very much looking forward to more content. TL-DR: Disappointment over Devil May Cry 4's story and the beauty of the internet, somehow, made me find this amazing channel.
RustyBladeWorks the story is the first tell that DMC4 had a rushed development in my eyes, well at least got one cool new character out of the story(that being Nero)
One thing I feel like mentioning here is a certain dynamic that is especially relevant during the Jeanne Bossfight which is the fact that witchtime is not triggered by every enemy hit. Both Grace and Glory have those attacks as well, just that these attacks do not happen very often. It can add even more to the moveset variety of the enemies, or more accurately, gives the enemies, especially Jeanne, a better actually off-showing for their attacks and combos. Granted, on Infinite Climax this is of course out of question, but with that, the Jeanne bossfights just get a very cool dynamic which is part of why I love these bossfights so much... ...Why wasn't the last Jeanne bossfight its own level though...?
This very much, I can't believe I forgot to mention this. I'm pretty sure (unless you do the parry headbutt thing) you can only get witch time off her wicked weaves, which you can get witch time off all of Lumen Sage and Aesir's attacks. It's quite telling about the reliance of witch time in 2. Also yes the schmup before Jeanne fucking sucks.
It's also visible in MGR, some enemies attacks can not be parried, only blocked (Monsoon's main combo for example let's you only counter if you nail the parry on the last hit) and some enemies even actively work against it (these armored dudes who counter your counter and lock you into a loop of counters if you don't dodgecancel out of it). Funnily enough it's actually Nier Automata in which the enemies stop doing that, it even happens that the Adam and Eve bossfights (except the last one) are having the player fall into an obvious pattern, generally are most enemies not exactly satisfying to fight against, one of the reasons I am dissappointed in Automata...
Bayonetta’s enemies, like many other things in the game, have designs that are so intricate and details that they would feel out of place anywhere else. Yet they somehow work, and enhance the entire experience. The dance-like, combo combat and sheer variety are just the icing on the cake.
Mashing the buttons might get you through the game, but that will be a very bumpy ride. You have to learn to properly utilize all of the game's mechanics in order to get the best out of the experience. Otherwise you'll find yourself aimlessly flailing around and hoping for the best (and getting a bunch of stone trophies).
@Marshal Wagner My expectations are low. It's difficult to create something as polished as Bayo 1 and I accept this. Nintendo's track record as of late is not great with any of their IP's in particular, and even if their interference is minimal in Platinum's development process, the lack of news is at least disconcerting for the potential quality of the finished game. I digress though. Regardless of how long it takes, or how good Bayo 3 turns out, if it ever does, Bayo 1 will always exist as something to go back to and enjoy.
What an amazing video, truly makes us think more about enemy and bosses designs in newer games. This type of enemy design it's something more games should try doing, especially for Boss Fights, not only for Hack n Slashes but some other genres, Kirby is one that immediately comes to mind, pretty much all the bosses, especially the fight against Galacta Knight and Dark Meta Knight in the new games, they have a huge moveset variety, they are very aggressive (they will not let you float in this battle, not even for a second), they are the only bosses in the game that can defend themselves from Kirby attacks, but all of their moves are telegraphed, especially the really strong ones. This is why people love those fights so much
This game has amazing soundtrack too, you feel energetic as you hack and shoot away at enemies! Btw thank you for putting the name of the songs at the description.
I thank you for making this video. You do a fantastic job explaining exactly why it is I continue to love this game. And with Bayonetta finally on PC, I will continue playing this game (and probably make a few more combo videos) for as long as I live. :D
Haha! I certainly hope so! These kinds of comments really make my day. Speaking of which, I did get a bit of a traffic boost on all of these action game videos last night, did they get posted somewhere?
Great video! I felt like fights with Sloths were the closest thing in Bayo 2 that could be described as a dance but unfortunately that enemy type has a bunch of barely telegraphed attacks and you can hardly do anything to him outside of witch time
Thanks for this video! I was (happily) surprised to see the quote you included from Don-san. He doesn't get nearly enough love, considering he is one of the best action game programmers active today.
DMC still sometimes has some problems with this I think lol. Though I am shit at the games, so I don't mind. One thing I must say is that God Hand is probably one of the best examples of very intimate back and forths in gaming. Not only because the camera is so close, but because most enemies, even if they share the same attacks for the most part with a few exeptions like the girls with whips, the people with the throwable energy mohawk blades, the bouncy fatties... you get the gist.. Uh.. even if a lot of them share a lot of moves, they do all come equipped with a large varioety of them at once. The various dodges in combination with the unique properties some moves have (like that jumping spin kick guard breaker that evades something like footswipes) encourage the player to always be on the look out for what the opponent is doing, and how you can best react. For example the two more risky dodges are benefitial for staying in a combo and continuing to beat on an enemy, so you should always look out for when that little duck would be enough to keep you out of harm's way. My biggest problems with God Hand probably are though that enemies often just have too much health and take too much time to get defeated, which ends up in your standard square combo most likely always being just a generic mix in of quick jabs that are simply there for damage output, instead of being really effectice as well as your x and triangle moves will probably be.. Idk.. i'm tired...
This video is a year old, but you can hit the Inspired while they're flying using wicked weaves, since wicked weaves will show up next to an enemy if you're targeting them. You can create a quick wicked weave by doing Tetsuzanko or Heel Stomp if you have magic orbs
I think my only major complaint with Bayo 1 outside of what you mentioned was that the game isn't always consistent with its rules when it comes to activating Witch Time. Some enemies, like Gracious and Glorious, if memory serves, simply don't trigger Witch Time, even if you time your dodges just right. I very much appreciated 2's insistence on consistency in that arena.
old comment but for anyone new reading these comments, thats like, totally the point. the game is slowly weaning you off of your crutch. as the game progresses enemies have less moves that trigger witch time until you finally face Gracious&Glorious who don't trigger them at all. on the game's highest difficulty you cant witch time at all. the brilliance is that witch time was never necessary in the first place; the entire game and every enemy is designed in a way that you never need it at all. dodge offset is the *real* main mechanic of bayonetta. bayo 2 of course doesnt understand this because it doesnt understand what made bayo1's combat good at all and it just becomes a game of wait for witch time and mash out a silly little combo string. witch time is required for so much of that game that it didnt remove it on the highest difficulty (like is customary for kamiya games, removing the crutch entirely on Fuck You Must Die mode, you see this in DMC1 and VJ), because it would have made the game impossible.
I like how early you tossed out the word "dancing" in relate to the combat, which is exactly the point I made in my review as well. Platinum was definitely trying to infuse that kind of rhythm into the action. That's also why Bayonetta shows confident in her movement, have that teasing/bdsm sort of attitude, and she even danced the shit out of those angels in the prelude stage. Her design ties with the gameplay thematically. But the point was sent across more obviously when they remove Witch Time in InfiClimax mode imo. Without the safety safe slow-mo zone, players have to fully utilizes Dodge Off-set in order to be effective in combat. With enough practice, it almost feels like the game was meant to be played without Witch Time. Dodge Off-set is the true star on the stage here, Witch Time was just a backup dancer, that's how I feel after completing the game anyway. Base on the footages, it seems like you're capable of beating Climax mode, have you done it? It's interesting that you dislike the transition attack from the enemy intros. I feel like it is a soft answer to the complains of "cutscene ruins game's pace". And the amount of times they use it is kinda consistent so later surprises can be dodged if you have the attention for it. Anyway enough rambling on the game I love so much, great video!
i totally agree that some parts of bayonetta 2 just aren't as great as bayonetta 1,with all the pointless changes to the combat and all, if bayo 2 ever comes out for pc I hope someone makes a mod to revert the changes, if bayo 3 is ever a thing I hope they don't make the same mistakes again -_-
I love all the attention Bayonetta seems to be getting now, and I like your video. I am just wondering where were all these hardcore fans fo Bayonetta in the beginning. People come out of nowhere now claiming to have always been fans, yet I haven't met anyone to date that even knows what this game is, had I not already shown it to them myself. It's just crazy it too k Bayonetta 3 releases to get any real recognition, at least from where I'm standing. I've loved that hell outta this series since day one, just wondering where everyone was back then. None of this little micro-rant is directed at Turbo Button, or anyone in particular, I just needed to say something about it.
tally foster What are you saying? Bayonetta is one of Platinum’s best-sellers. Maybe you didn’t *meet* anyone who played it, but there are over 7.5 billion people on this planet. Of course most of them haven’t played a relatively niche, Japanese action video game released on 5 platforms over 8 years, even if it sold millions it’s still a fraction of the people that play video games.
6:52 - 8:01 OMG THIS! Do you how many people seem to ignore all this about Bayo 2? I love what the game brings, but these nonsensical changes to an otherwise near perfect system is a complete detriment to the game. Thanks for pointing this out.
The sad thing about this is that it's almost not noticeable for a good amount of players admiditly even me too when when I got into the series. When you got a responsive frantic action game the technicalities of ot aren't of thought for some.
@@TheAnimatedGamer That's fair. In order to achieve Platinum rewards with style for the first game, I had to watch videos by Saur, (or Saurian as his channel is called now) because I couldn't figure it out on my own. He's exceptionally good at delving into mechanics and finding out how to push them. He made tutorials on the basics, as well as how to tackle enemies, their class systems and most importantly, how the point system actually worked. Knowing how the point system works from the first game has you realising that it's non-existent in the second by comparison. Which is a damned shame.
Came from Mr Joseph Anderson. NOW WHERE'S THAT NO MAN'S SKY REVIEW >:D Thankyou for the content. MORE analysis of games and game issues I'm interested in. Good good!! I LOVE ITTT
Really good video. I could never quite put my finger on why Bayo 2's combat felt a little less satisfying compared to 1(not mentioning the visuals but hey you said that too), but you nailed it.
I don't know if you'll ever see this (this video being 3 yo), but I wanted to clarify something. The original angels in Bayo 2 share the launching properties of the rest of the enemy cast. Grace & Glory can be launched outside of witch time because in both games they belong to the light weight tier, meaning the can be launched by a basic launcher or a wicked weave launcher, even outside of witch time
Thank you for explaining combat. For me I knew Bay 1 and 2 differed quite a bit. I know Bay 2 was merciful in some areas such as the window of time for witch time to activate, but I couldn't really pinpoint the areas where it wasn't and where it kind of relied some AI RNG. I never really noticed the "Lumen dodging" or the autoblock and lower launch rate of enemies until you pointed it out for Bayonetta 2. I knew there was a reason I always enjoyed the Jeanne fights more than the Lumen sage ones.
Awesome video, you've got another subscriber here. I really enjoyed Bayo 1 & 2, but never got very good at the combat usually sticking to a few familiar combos and not reacting to enemies well. So Grace and Glory often often caused problems for me, it's quite embarrassing that I never learnt to fight them properly. These two always stood out compared to other non-boss enemies, and I always thought "oh shit" whenever they appeared, before clumsily flailing around until they died (or I died). It's amazing how this game manages to be fun for someone like me who wasn't bothered about learning the optimum way to fight, but also fun for people who want to go for world record combos. Amazing games, hope there will be a 3rd.
Here is a little tip fore grace an glory. Combine Pulleys Butterflys fore protection and Sai Fung fore its high stagger rate. Even on infinite Climax that makes this guys realetivly easy. Sai Fung kepps them staggered. When another Grace/Glory comes close they just get staggered asewell. With Sai Fung PPPKKK works pretty well. Those guy dont take it very well when Bayonetta makes this spin kick on the ground that hits there legs. It will cause them to fall so you can land a wicked weve. Pulys Butterflys helps in general to grow accustom to higher difficulty’s without getting your ass kicked. I used it a lot and I thought if I dont use it I will be screwed on infinite climax. I was wrong. My ratings merely dropped from average Platnum sometimes gold to average gold sometimes platinum.
man, this is a fucking good video. the way you illustrate and deliver your points is fantastic, keep it up. I just started a Hard playthrough of the OG Bayonetta and its HARD AS FUCK. I first beat it quite a while ago but I'm s rusty, and it's a shame because I so badly want to enjoy it again. Guess I'm gonna have to git gud.
Idgaf what anyone says, the angels are cool as fuck. And I completely understand the dancing metaphor. Also, I was never bothered by the enemy launching right into the assault. I was used to it by DMC1, and it makes sense.
What do you think of the boss designs in Bayonetta 1 though? I loved all the non-boss enemies, but the bosses (other than Jean and Balder) just feel like a different mini-game each that doesn't build off the base combat skills that you develop throughout the rest of the game.
Right now for the Nintendo Switch there is a Bayonetta 2 that says it comes with a copy of the first Bayonetta. That's a major steal right now. If I had a Switch, I'd get that just for the first Bayonetta.
Shame it turned out these design flaws exist in 2. It's by far my favorite of the series. Watching this video made me realize how little I remember of the first game.
Bayonetta - very suprisingly for me, because I love this type of games - was very desappointing in many situations. Almost beat the game at this point, and I can say that, ignoring stupid "press the button" moments, horrible "arcade" levels with flying and riding, and, as you said, at times extremly dump mobs, almost all problems came to one thing - camera. It's just... I can't discribe how helpless I feel when I can't see and control what's going on on the battlefield. I succeded in games like DMC on every difficulty, yet in Bayonetta i died multiple times on each level on normal. With that camera even the best telegraphing becomes useless as you fail to just noticing it or react to it while struggling with the chaos on screen. And, maybe it's just me, but I don't see how one can enjoy battles with groups of enemies who attack how they want, when they want, even outside of the player's vision, especially with attack's that you bearly can escape if you don't click at the appropriate time. There was also a low frame rate in the PS3 version, so I'll give the game a chance on steam and see how my opinion will change. I would very like it to change.
Yeah it was very frustrating but the camera became stupid in only some levels like on the airplane wing the first time we fight with Jeanne. I don't even remember any other level that this happened at but I get it since it was very early in the game. Try it again on PC, it's great.
The camera is too "free", almost every movement changes the angle of player's vision. For me, who played a lot of DMC and used to more static and controlled camera (and targeting system), it can be really frustrating.
Possibly. Probably not soon though because I've already done a video on Credo in DMC4 and DMC's mechanics have been talked about so much already. Maybe in the same vein as this, who knows.
Bayo 2 just didn’t feel as fun to play with as 1 did, the enemies in 1 were all so unique and were actually comboable, but in 2 if you hit an enemy they just break your combo and you can’t do anything and it’s just boring and extremely irritating, that’s why I don’t understand why so many people say bayo 2 is better. Like no it’s newer and it looks pretty but it’s far from the first game. EDIT: also as a jeanne main I must say 2 fucking sucked for Jeanne
Yeah a apart of me noticed that I used Witch Time alot more in Bayo 2. Bayo 1 I don't remember using it much but my memory of that game is hazy. I need to buy that PC version.
As the noob I am, I was grateful about the lower difficulty on Bayo 2, but there's things I missed on that game, and I couldn't name them until this video. Then there's those damn boats and the insta kill QTE, those two can burn in hell tho xD
What's this? Someone likes Bayo 1 over 2 as well. I got straight platinum and pure platinum on all difficulties on both games (more than once for WiiU and Xbox Bayo 1). I LOOOVVEEE BAYONETTA! I like EVERYTHING about Bayo 1 over 2 sadly (Except Jeanne's look and how colorful 2 was). 2 was too easy. It failed to give me the character development between Bayo and Jeanne that I was expecting since we're going to save her and need a more emotional awareness and character development regarding their friendship. Omni was lazy. The music in 1 was better. The STORY PACING(I get on that a lot) is better in 1. Final boss was better because it was something new and not just the SAME GIANT HANDS AGAIN! I prefer the Beehive >.>. Tonal shift felt more appropriate in 1.2 rehashes a lot from 1. Enemies are better in 1. I felt a more emotional connection to Bayonetta's character development in 1 because there was none in 2.Weapons didn't feel that great in 2 except the new blue gun combos and the dual swords. Father Rodin was a difficult but fair fight 1 (In 2 idfk why he is so obnoxious). I thought the reuse of the bosses from 1 was stupid and just kind of there for the sake of it. I wish the Masked Lumen was a new character all together. Her personality was clearer in 1 and less all over the place (why are you dancing and putting your ass in the camera and then making a serious face about the soul of your best friend who is front of you... It was pointless and bipolar). In Bayonetta 1 she had fun. The idea of being your own source of love, light, and inspiration was a theme I thoroughly appreciated and took emotionally from 1 while 2 gave me nothing truly. In the end Bayo 2 gorgeous but somewhat vapid in certain places, and it was dumbed down in comparison. Wicked Weaves felt WEAK as fuck in Bayonetta 2. Because Umbran Climax was supposed to be the thing that mattered, landing my well placed wicked weaves felt pointless as I grinded through a health bar, but in 1 when I landed a wicked weave you saw a chunk fly from their health which showed that landing those combo finishers had weight and meaning to the dominating intensity of each fight. Also the secret side missions was wwaayyy too easy in 2 as well as easy to find. The hand holding in 2 is so unfortunate. I do love Bayo 2 though in certain areas. The some of the boss fight locations were lovely and unique to 1. It's truly a far more colorful game. Becoming a snake was nice. The level design was sublime in 2, and I do think that it outshines 1 in that regard. The enemies felt more fluid in some cases; sadly this did not have an impact on the combat too much because of Umbran Climax. I loved Loptr's design. Multiplayer was awesome, despite bayonetta and Jeanne having a cheat ability to get an edge in combat. I really enjoyed being able to play as the masked Lumen and Rosa (Rosa because she felt like Bayonetta 1's damage). Insidious looked amazing! Sloth was the best normal enemy design in Bayonetta 2. It was so well done and reminded me of grace and glory. I am curious to know which you liked more as enemies, given the theme of this video.
Hmm Bayonetta 2 NSIC suddenly makes sense after seeing the enemy design. Having no Wii U I will never actually fight against these enemies so I never knew. This video shows that movesets are not what makes a great beat em up.
I hope Bayo 3 has the polish and color of Bayo 2 and the creativity, depth, enemy/boss design, combo point system, and just overall gameplay system ( as in no garbage Umbrian climax) of Bayo 1.
kamiya was always better than itsuno when it comes to enemy designs. its why dmc1's enemies are so much better than 3's. 1 makes every enemy a puzzle of tactics that allow different approaches and if not are really good at forcing you to think steps ahead, where as 3 is filled with either punching bags or pace killers that force boring slower approaches. they spent several hours establishing the style meter, only to make you use nothing but a couple moves over and over again because they're invulnerable to most your repertoire. duhlahans can only be attacked by air slashes, souleaters have to be ignored until you dodge and stinger them twice or shoot them with spiral .and the fallen can only effectively handled by the hammer...a weapon specific move thats locked to the swordmaster style. even frosts let you experiment with nightmare beta the grenade gun and round trip in 1.
Forgot to post a comment earlier noting that if you're curious, there are a few extra notes on the gameplay I've put in the description. These are just a few extra bullet points that I wanted to put in or took out of the video because they screwed with the pacing.
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Will u do something like this for the new god of war ? Id love to see u talk about the combat and enemys in the new god of war pls make one
6:52 - 8:01 OMG THIS! Do you how many people seem to ignore all this about Bayo 2? I love what the game brings, but these nonsensical changes to an otherwise near perfect system is a complete detriment to the game. Thanks for pointing this out.
Finally i saw someone who actually acknowledged that B2 introduced many problems to its core gameplay design and to an extent destroyed the master level designs of B1, not just blindly praising B2 for whatever the trivial changes it brought to make the game easier for those people who only play through the game once. Great video, hope more people can see it and understand the intricacies of this game.
3:48 on the subject of Grace & Glory, something interesting to mention is that you somewhat CAN wait until they’re done! Grace & Glory (and their harder counterparts, Gracious & Glorious) don’t attack you at the same time, unlike other enemies. Only one is programmed to do a combo at a time to keep a player from getting indefinitely locked in their attacks.
When you attack one of them, lets say Glory, Glory is no longer in its “attacking” state, meaning that Grace is allowed to attack. But it takes time for that to register, & as a result you get a few extra seconds to attack Glory before Grace comes at you.
But of course it gets less lenient on later difficulties!
After the PC port of Bayonetta, the game became relevant all of a sudden... and I'm actually happy about this because Bayonetta is awesome. :)
Marius Urucu hopefully this could really influence a bayo 3
On the Nintendo switch!
too bad the pc port of Bayo 2 is nowhere to be found...
@@HarmonicaPL and it will never be found, not in the near future at least. Nintendo does not like their exclusives go around on other platforms
@@Javier-zw9sx i know it well. That's one of the reasons I've bought switch
This was actually a really good video. Usually, when people discuss Bayonetta's gameplay, they just glorify it in an unspecified manner. This video was good because it not only truly showed the technicality of Bayonetta's complex gameplay, but even in the footage you provided I can tell that you actually tried to do a great job (despite being hit so many times).
"Unless you like fighting sand bags for a hour put as much attention into your enemies. " *cough, cough* dynasty warriors *cough, cough*
I was gonna use some Warriors footage there actually but thought it might be a bit too obvious.
Is it bad that I like Dynasty Warriors games and Bayonetta? Sometimes I do just want to fight sand bags.
It's all good fam.
Dynasty Warriors uses its enemies differently than Bayonetta though. They're passive because they're not intended to be the challenge - the challenge is in learning how to clear them out efficiently using the moves you have available. In addition, Bayonetta doesn't have the extra layer of challenge Dynasty Warriors has in having to keep an eye on the minimap, surveying your surroundings and weighing up the risk versus reward of multiple objectives in different areas of the map.
Dynasty Warriors would be unplayable with Bayonetta's enemies, and it would be a tremendous waste of potential to have Dynasty Warriors' enemies in Bayonetta. Each work in their own series, but as things are, you might enjoy fighting one more than the other.
Oh man I could legit say "first" if that wasn't a really stupid comment
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Thanks for calling out Bayonetta 2. So many people seem to prefer it due to the campaign improvements but man, the combat was rough compared to 1...
Campaign "improvements"? I'm not too sure what they mean, I found the NPCs that tagged along in some levels highly annoying. It had some great visuals and weapons but I think everything else fell below the 1st game.
@@realevostevo I think they mean improvements by the lack of instant QTEs and less awful vehicle sections that overstay their welcome. But still, even with the improvements they did make, they butchered the combat. Enemy aggression is terrible, their defensive capabilites are op against you, and it just in generally felt rushed without any thought put behind it aside from making it look good. Because it feels awful even when you're doing well. It just feels claustrophobic. Like I have to play a certain way to do well.
Alot of attacks also have poor tell cues and even more so when enemies are aggroed. It's just poor design and it shouldn't be that way when the first game did it better. Just because a game looks better and feels faster which gets your adrenaline pumping DOESNT mean its well designed or intuitive. I mean I wish they would just leave Witch Time alone.
Also this game tries to please everybody and fails at most of it honestly bc as arbitrarily poor as the combat is, the balance they tried to instill was making the game more accessible with items being usable with lollipops not costing you any grade and making the Bracelet of Time OP. They also made Alruna OP bc they couldn't be bothered creating other opportunities to stagger enemies or slow the pace of the game. It's just poor in taste and dignity. It's vapid and hollow, but HEY it sure is shiny so I guess people think it's better lol
The reasons you discuss in this video are why I love the Lynels in Breath of the Wild so much- they've got a really large moveset, they telegraph everything, and they're also not stunned by basically anything other than Urbosa's Fury or an arrow to the face, the latter of which can be really difficult to do since it's a small hitbox on a fast moving and agile target. Every move can be countered but it takes a long time to learn those moves and how to approach them, fighting one that has a crusher it's nearly impossible to flurry rush them because the aoe blast will still hit you even if you dodge the club itself.
I also love them in BoTW, they are by far the best enemies in the game, I just wish the bosses used some of this designs as well, they fell so shallow compared to the Lynel fights
agreed nowadays i just go around waiting for blood moons so i can fight em its really enjoyable
Here I am playing Devil May Cry 4 SE and I find myself feeling like the story in the game seems lacking, like something important is missing. With that I'm off to google which leads me to finding very good indications that half of the game was cut; interesting stuff. After that I found myself looking up the DMC4 novel and for some reason that led me to look up mechanics of the game such as Jump Cancelling.
Somehow that landed me on your video about Credo and Boss fight design even though the JC video had nothing related to Credo or even any boss in the game.
Now here I am hours later, DMC4 idle to the side, having watched most of your content.
And what great content it is, I'm absolutely loving the more analytical side of games and mechanics you present over the more common reviews you see out there.
Thanks for your great work sir, you got a new subscriber who is very much looking forward to more content.
TL-DR: Disappointment over Devil May Cry 4's story and the beauty of the internet, somehow, made me find this amazing channel.
It's comments like these that really make my day.
RustyBladeWorks the story is the first tell that DMC4 had a rushed development in my eyes, well at least got one cool new character out of the story(that being Nero)
It's DMC, story was never all that important. It has it's merits, but gameplay has always been the focus.
Thank you for analyzing Bayonetta and why its awesome and why its not. Same goes for Bayonetta 2 which has a lot more issues than the first game.
One thing I feel like mentioning here is a certain dynamic that is especially relevant during the Jeanne Bossfight which is the fact that witchtime is not triggered by every enemy hit. Both Grace and Glory have those attacks as well, just that these attacks do not happen very often.
It can add even more to the moveset variety of the enemies, or more accurately, gives the enemies, especially Jeanne, a better actually off-showing for their attacks and combos. Granted, on Infinite Climax this is of course out of question, but with that, the Jeanne bossfights just get a very cool dynamic which is part of why I love these bossfights so much...
...Why wasn't the last Jeanne bossfight its own level though...?
This very much, I can't believe I forgot to mention this. I'm pretty sure (unless you do the parry headbutt thing) you can only get witch time off her wicked weaves, which you can get witch time off all of Lumen Sage and Aesir's attacks. It's quite telling about the reliance of witch time in 2.
Also yes the schmup before Jeanne fucking sucks.
It's also visible in MGR, some enemies attacks can not be parried, only blocked (Monsoon's main combo for example let's you only counter if you nail the parry on the last hit) and some enemies even actively work against it (these armored dudes who counter your counter and lock you into a loop of counters if you don't dodgecancel out of it).
Funnily enough it's actually Nier Automata in which the enemies stop doing that, it even happens that the Adam and Eve bossfights (except the last one) are having the player fall into an obvious pattern, generally are most enemies not exactly satisfying to fight against, one of the reasons I am dissappointed in Automata...
Bayonetta’s enemies, like many other things in the game, have designs that are so intricate and details that they would feel out of place anywhere else. Yet they somehow work, and enhance the entire experience.
The dance-like, combo combat and sheer variety are just the icing on the cake.
One of the most beautiful detailed enemies ihave ever seen
Really in depth video, makes me wanna try the game. It always seemed like a button mashy kinda thing to me but now you're making seem pretty complex.
It can be button mashy if you want it to be. The real satisfaction comes from spicing it up yerself with combo variety.
Mashing the buttons might get you through the game, but that will be a very bumpy ride. You have to learn to properly utilize all of the game's mechanics in order to get the best out of the experience. Otherwise you'll find yourself aimlessly flailing around and hoping for the best (and getting a bunch of stone trophies).
Joy gives me life.
This is especially relevant with Bayo 3 coming now. We need them to understand this concept to avoid the sins of Bayo 2.
@Marshal Wagner My expectations are low. It's difficult to create something as polished as Bayo 1 and I accept this. Nintendo's track record as of late is not great with any of their IP's in particular, and even if their interference is minimal in Platinum's development process, the lack of news is at least disconcerting for the potential quality of the finished game. I digress though. Regardless of how long it takes, or how good Bayo 3 turns out, if it ever does, Bayo 1 will always exist as something to go back to and enjoy.
Don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs
What an amazing video, truly makes us think more about enemy and bosses designs in newer games. This type of enemy design it's something more games should try doing, especially for Boss Fights, not only for Hack n Slashes but some other genres, Kirby is one that immediately comes to mind, pretty much all the bosses, especially the fight against Galacta Knight and Dark Meta Knight in the new games, they have a huge moveset variety, they are very aggressive (they will not let you float in this battle, not even for a second), they are the only bosses in the game that can defend themselves from Kirby attacks, but all of their moves are telegraphed, especially the really strong ones. This is why people love those fights so much
This game has amazing soundtrack too, you feel energetic as you hack and shoot away at enemies! Btw thank you for putting the name of the songs at the description.
As Mathewmatosis put it: "Bayonetta 2 is less bad, less good."
This was an absolutely fantastic video, thank you so much!
Thanks for actually understanding my favorite action game lol
This has got to be one of your meatier vids yet Trubs. Excellent.
B E A T T H A T M E A T
The combat in Bayonetta does feel like dancing.
You just saved my Monday
I thank you for making this video. You do a fantastic job explaining exactly why it is I continue to love this game. And with Bayonetta finally on PC, I will continue playing this game (and probably make a few more combo videos) for as long as I live. :D
SetnaroX No, thank you for the lovely comment! Nice to see you here, loved your Bitcoin Beat combo vid.
These are the best videos ever thank you!!
i kinda see this guy going far on youtube :D
please prove me right :D
Haha! I certainly hope so! These kinds of comments really make my day.
Speaking of which, I did get a bit of a traffic boost on all of these action game videos last night, did they get posted somewhere?
Great video! I felt like fights with Sloths were the closest thing in Bayo 2 that could be described as a dance
but unfortunately that enemy type has a bunch of barely telegraphed attacks and you can hardly do anything to him outside of witch time
Thanks for this video! I was (happily) surprised to see the quote you included from Don-san. He doesn't get nearly enough love, considering he is one of the best action game programmers active today.
Good work Jon. Your work is great when you really focus on a single subject.
DMC still sometimes has some problems with this I think lol.
Though I am shit at the games, so I don't mind.
One thing I must say is that God Hand is probably one of the best examples of very intimate back and forths in gaming.
Not only because the camera is so close, but because most enemies, even if they share the same attacks for the most part with a few exeptions like the girls with whips, the people with the throwable energy mohawk blades, the bouncy fatties... you get the gist.. Uh.. even if a lot of them share a lot of moves, they do all come equipped with a large varioety of them at once. The various dodges in combination with the unique properties some moves have (like that jumping spin kick guard breaker that evades something like footswipes) encourage the player to always be on the look out for what the opponent is doing, and how you can best react.
For example the two more risky dodges are benefitial for staying in a combo and continuing to beat on an enemy, so you should always look out for when that little duck would be enough to keep you out of harm's way.
My biggest problems with God Hand probably are though that enemies often just have too much health and take too much time to get defeated, which ends up in your standard square combo most likely always being just a generic mix in of quick jabs that are simply there for damage output, instead of being really effectice as well as your x and triangle moves will probably be.. Idk.. i'm tired...
Another great video, loving your content.
I just found your channel from the "Animation in Action Games" video and I gotta say your stuff is pretty good! Earned yourself a subscriber
This video is so legit!I thought I was the only one who looked at the battle system like this
This video is a year old, but you can hit the Inspired while they're flying using wicked weaves, since wicked weaves will show up next to an enemy if you're targeting them. You can create a quick wicked weave by doing Tetsuzanko or Heel Stomp if you have magic orbs
b2 I think is most fun on hard, with infinite climax being kind of a drag, whereas b1 infinite climax with the climax brace was an absolute blast.
Your channel is great and so underrated, hope to see a new video soon
I think my only major complaint with Bayo 1 outside of what you mentioned was that the game isn't always consistent with its rules when it comes to activating Witch Time. Some enemies, like Gracious and Glorious, if memory serves, simply don't trigger Witch Time, even if you time your dodges just right. I very much appreciated 2's insistence on consistency in that arena.
Its supposed to be a wtf moment, you can’t even use witch time on the highest difficulty
old comment but for anyone new reading these comments, thats like, totally the point. the game is slowly weaning you off of your crutch. as the game progresses enemies have less moves that trigger witch time until you finally face Gracious&Glorious who don't trigger them at all. on the game's highest difficulty you cant witch time at all. the brilliance is that witch time was never necessary in the first place; the entire game and every enemy is designed in a way that you never need it at all. dodge offset is the *real* main mechanic of bayonetta.
bayo 2 of course doesnt understand this because it doesnt understand what made bayo1's combat good at all and it just becomes a game of wait for witch time and mash out a silly little combo string. witch time is required for so much of that game that it didnt remove it on the highest difficulty (like is customary for kamiya games, removing the crutch entirely on Fuck You Must Die mode, you see this in DMC1 and VJ), because it would have made the game impossible.
I like how early you tossed out the word "dancing" in relate to the combat, which is exactly the point I made in my review as well. Platinum was definitely trying to infuse that kind of rhythm into the action. That's also why Bayonetta shows confident in her movement, have that teasing/bdsm sort of attitude, and she even danced the shit out of those angels in the prelude stage. Her design ties with the gameplay thematically.
But the point was sent across more obviously when they remove Witch Time in InfiClimax mode imo. Without the safety safe slow-mo zone, players have to fully utilizes Dodge Off-set in order to be effective in combat. With enough practice, it almost feels like the game was meant to be played without Witch Time. Dodge Off-set is the true star on the stage here, Witch Time was just a backup dancer, that's how I feel after completing the game anyway. Base on the footages, it seems like you're capable of beating Climax mode, have you done it?
It's interesting that you dislike the transition attack from the enemy intros. I feel like it is a soft answer to the complains of "cutscene ruins game's pace". And the amount of times they use it is kinda consistent so later surprises can be dodged if you have the attention for it. Anyway enough rambling on the game I love so much, great video!
i totally agree that some parts of bayonetta 2 just aren't as great as bayonetta 1,with all the pointless changes to the combat and all, if bayo 2 ever comes out for pc I hope someone makes a mod to revert the changes, if bayo 3 is ever a thing I hope they don't make the same mistakes again -_-
I love all the attention Bayonetta seems to be getting now, and I like your video. I am just wondering where were all these hardcore fans fo Bayonetta in the beginning. People come out of nowhere now claiming to have always been fans, yet I haven't met anyone to date that even knows what this game is, had I not already shown it to them myself. It's just crazy it too k Bayonetta 3 releases to get any real recognition, at least from where I'm standing. I've loved that hell outta this series since day one, just wondering where everyone was back then.
None of this little micro-rant is directed at Turbo Button, or anyone in particular, I just needed to say something about it.
tally foster What are you saying? Bayonetta is one of Platinum’s best-sellers. Maybe you didn’t *meet* anyone who played it, but there are over 7.5 billion people on this planet. Of course most of them haven’t played a relatively niche, Japanese action video game released on 5 platforms over 8 years, even if it sold millions it’s still a fraction of the people that play video games.
7:14 *cough cough* NINJA GAIDEN 3 RAZOR'S EDGE *cough cough*
but good shit, my guy, never considered enemy design in bayo like that.
Second to last boss. AGHGHGHGHGHHG
6:52 - 8:01 OMG THIS! Do you how many people seem to ignore all this about Bayo 2? I love what the game brings, but these nonsensical changes to an otherwise near perfect system is a complete detriment to the game. Thanks for pointing this out.
The sad thing about this is that it's almost not noticeable for a good amount of players admiditly even me too when when I got into the series. When you got a responsive frantic action game the technicalities of ot aren't of thought for some.
@@TheAnimatedGamer That's fair. In order to achieve Platinum rewards with style for the first game, I had to watch videos by Saur, (or Saurian as his channel is called now) because I couldn't figure it out on my own. He's exceptionally good at delving into mechanics and finding out how to push them.
He made tutorials on the basics, as well as how to tackle enemies, their class systems and most importantly, how the point system actually worked. Knowing how the point system works from the first game has you realising that it's non-existent in the second by comparison. Which is a damned shame.
Came from Mr Joseph Anderson.
NOW WHERE'S THAT NO MAN'S SKY REVIEW >:D
Thankyou for the content. MORE analysis of games and game issues I'm interested in. Good good!! I LOVE ITTT
This video is better than some of the GDC talks i've seen on enemy design.
4:04 How is it that they make the simplest animations so sexy?
Really good video. I could never quite put my finger on why Bayo 2's combat felt a little less satisfying compared to 1(not mentioning the visuals but hey you said that too), but you nailed it.
Turbo button has the best voice
Superb video, great Channel man. We sure need more ones like yours.
Love this video. Makes me feel seen and heard. Been saying for ages that Bayonetta 2 isn't as good as people think.
Beautifully written video.
Do you plan on doing a video on God Hand eventually? It's my favorite game of all time, I love it to bits.
was on the fence about buying Bayonetta again on PC (already had it on the PS3). Now i've made up my mind.
Joseph anderson sent me here, boy am i glad
I don't know if you'll ever see this (this video being 3 yo), but I wanted to clarify something.
The original angels in Bayo 2 share the launching properties of the rest of the enemy cast. Grace & Glory can be launched outside of witch time because in both games they belong to the light weight tier, meaning the can be launched by a basic launcher or a wicked weave launcher, even outside of witch time
You only bought this game 3 times? I bought it 4! PS3, 360, Wii U and PC!
Thank you for explaining combat. For me I knew Bay 1 and 2 differed quite a bit. I know Bay 2 was merciful in some areas such as the window of time for witch time to activate, but I couldn't really pinpoint the areas where it wasn't and where it kind of relied some AI RNG. I never really noticed the "Lumen dodging" or the autoblock and lower launch rate of enemies until you pointed it out for Bayonetta 2. I knew there was a reason I always enjoyed the Jeanne fights more than the Lumen sage ones.
Awesome video, you've got another subscriber here. I really enjoyed Bayo 1 & 2, but never got very good at the combat usually sticking to a few familiar combos and not reacting to enemies well. So Grace and Glory often often caused problems for me, it's quite embarrassing that I never learnt to fight them properly. These two always stood out compared to other non-boss enemies, and I always thought "oh shit" whenever they appeared, before clumsily flailing around until they died (or I died). It's amazing how this game manages to be fun for someone like me who wasn't bothered about learning the optimum way to fight, but also fun for people who want to go for world record combos. Amazing games, hope there will be a 3rd.
Here is a little tip fore grace an glory. Combine Pulleys Butterflys fore protection and Sai Fung fore its high stagger rate. Even on infinite Climax that makes this guys realetivly easy. Sai Fung kepps them staggered. When another Grace/Glory comes close they just get staggered asewell. With Sai Fung PPPKKK works pretty well. Those guy dont take it very well when Bayonetta makes this spin kick on the ground that hits there legs. It will cause them to fall so you can land a wicked weve. Pulys Butterflys helps in general to grow accustom to higher difficulty’s without getting your ass kicked. I used it a lot and I thought if I dont use it I will be screwed on infinite climax. I was wrong. My ratings merely dropped from average Platnum sometimes gold to average gold sometimes platinum.
man, this is a fucking good video. the way you illustrate and deliver your points is fantastic, keep it up. I just started a Hard playthrough of the OG Bayonetta and its HARD AS FUCK. I first beat it quite a while ago but I'm s rusty, and it's a shame because I so badly want to enjoy it again. Guess I'm gonna have to git gud.
haha the y and b buttons lighting up in yellow and red through me off a bit haha
Idgaf what anyone says, the angels are cool as fuck. And I completely understand the dancing metaphor.
Also, I was never bothered by the enemy launching right into the assault. I was used to it by DMC1, and it makes sense.
What do you think of the boss designs in Bayonetta 1 though? I loved all the non-boss enemies, but the bosses (other than Jean and Balder) just feel like a different mini-game each that doesn't build off the base combat skills that you develop throughout the rest of the game.
Right now for the Nintendo Switch
there is a Bayonetta 2 that says it comes with a copy of the first Bayonetta. That's a major steal right now. If I had a Switch, I'd get that just for the first Bayonetta.
i was waiting for you to use the word "goobers" :0)
Didn't realise til the edit that I used it twice in this one. Someone stop me.
Haha yeah, i actually made this comment when i
I heard you say it the first time. Shortly after i heard it the second
Shame it turned out these design flaws exist in 2. It's by far my favorite of the series. Watching this video made me realize how little I remember of the first game.
Any plans to do a video on Ninja Gaiden Black or 2?
Graces and Glory are fan favorites? hmmmm... i guess i indeed was trash at this game..... (cuz i despised them)
Rigel LMAO this was way funnier than it should have been. I agree with you on despising Grace and Glory though. Guess I gotta get good as they say.
Bayonetta - very suprisingly for me, because I love this type of games - was very desappointing in many situations. Almost beat the game at this point, and I can say that, ignoring stupid "press the button" moments, horrible "arcade" levels with flying and riding, and, as you said, at times extremly dump mobs, almost all problems came to one thing - camera. It's just... I can't discribe how helpless I feel when I can't see and control what's going on on the battlefield. I succeded in games like DMC on every difficulty, yet in Bayonetta i died multiple times on each level on normal. With that camera even the best telegraphing becomes useless as you fail to just noticing it or react to it while struggling with the chaos on screen.
And, maybe it's just me, but I don't see how one can enjoy battles with groups of enemies who attack how they want, when they want, even outside of the player's vision, especially with attack's that you bearly can escape if you don't click at the appropriate time.
There was also a low frame rate in the PS3 version, so I'll give the game a chance on steam and see how my opinion will change. I would very like it to change.
Daniel Septanta u played the absolutely awful ps3 version?
holy crap xD
WARNING TO EVERYONE INTERESTED IN THIS GAME! DO NOT PLAY ON PS3!
Yeah it was very frustrating but the camera became stupid in only some levels like on the airplane wing the first time we fight with Jeanne. I don't even remember any other level that this happened at but I get it since it was very early in the game.
Try it again on PC, it's great.
The camera is too "free", almost every movement changes the angle of player's vision. For me, who played a lot of DMC and used to more static and controlled camera (and targeting system), it can be really frustrating.
Yep, sadly, I did)
Bayo1 is fucking glorious on PC , fucking give me PS4 port Platinum
Hey Turbo, any chance we'll see a DMC3 video someday? Perhaps there's an interesting aspect to it you'd like to talk about?
Possibly. Probably not soon though because I've already done a video on Credo in DMC4 and DMC's mechanics have been talked about so much already. Maybe in the same vein as this, who knows.
Bayo 2 just didn’t feel as fun to play with as 1 did, the enemies in 1 were all so unique and were actually comboable, but in 2 if you hit an enemy they just break your combo and you can’t do anything and it’s just boring and extremely irritating, that’s why I don’t understand why so many people say bayo 2 is better. Like no it’s newer and it looks pretty but it’s far from the first game. EDIT: also as a jeanne main I must say 2 fucking sucked for Jeanne
great analysis of a great game. period.
can you do A video About what do you wanna see in Bayonetta 3?
Dang it, now I have to go replay the bayonettas
You remind me a lot of TheGamingBritShow.
It's his son
The best fights were always Jeanne pretty much.
Yeah a apart of me noticed that I used Witch Time alot more in Bayo 2. Bayo 1 I don't remember using it much but my memory of that game is hazy. I need to buy that PC version.
Do Ornstein and Smough
@Turbo I am sure you are turning right now. Bayonetta 3 combat has been dumbed down and is more of a Kaiju simulator than a skillful action game.
As the noob I am, I was grateful about the lower difficulty on Bayo 2, but there's things I missed on that game, and I couldn't name them until this video. Then there's those damn boats and the insta kill QTE, those two can burn in hell tho xD
I'm deaf, can you please upload your script into the caption tool?
Sorry for taking so long but I finally got around to doing it. Enjoy.
I thought 6:20 is called heavy armor. Super meaning no flinching, heavy meaning no flinching up to a point.
Very helpful
subbed bro you need to do something for Godhand my man
What's this? Someone likes Bayo 1 over 2 as well. I got straight platinum and pure platinum on all difficulties on both games (more than once for WiiU and Xbox Bayo 1). I LOOOVVEEE BAYONETTA! I like EVERYTHING about Bayo 1 over 2 sadly (Except Jeanne's look and how colorful 2 was). 2 was too easy. It failed to give me the character development between Bayo and Jeanne that I was expecting since we're going to save her and need a more emotional awareness and character development regarding their friendship. Omni was lazy. The music in 1 was better. The STORY PACING(I get on that a lot) is better in 1. Final boss was better because it was something new and not just the SAME GIANT HANDS AGAIN! I prefer the Beehive >.>. Tonal shift felt more appropriate in 1.2 rehashes a lot from 1. Enemies are better in 1. I felt a more emotional connection to Bayonetta's character development in 1 because there was none in 2.Weapons didn't feel that great in 2 except the new blue gun combos and the dual swords. Father Rodin was a difficult but fair fight 1 (In 2 idfk why he is so obnoxious). I thought the reuse of the bosses from 1 was stupid and just kind of there for the sake of it. I wish the Masked Lumen was a new character all together. Her personality was clearer in 1 and less all over the place (why are you dancing and putting your ass in the camera and then making a serious face about the soul of your best friend who is front of you... It was pointless and bipolar). In Bayonetta 1 she had fun. The idea of being your own source of love, light, and inspiration was a theme I thoroughly appreciated and took emotionally from 1 while 2 gave me nothing truly. In the end Bayo 2 gorgeous but somewhat vapid in certain places, and it was dumbed down in comparison. Wicked Weaves felt WEAK as fuck in Bayonetta 2. Because Umbran Climax was supposed to be the thing that mattered, landing my well placed wicked weaves felt pointless as I grinded through a health bar, but in 1 when I landed a wicked weave you saw a chunk fly from their health which showed that landing those combo finishers had weight and meaning to the dominating intensity of each fight. Also the secret side missions was wwaayyy too easy in 2 as well as easy to find. The hand holding in 2 is so unfortunate.
I do love Bayo 2 though in certain areas. The some of the boss fight locations were lovely and unique to 1. It's truly a far more colorful game. Becoming a snake was nice. The level design was sublime in 2, and I do think that it outshines 1 in that regard. The enemies felt more fluid in some cases; sadly this did not have an impact on the combat too much because of Umbran Climax. I loved Loptr's design. Multiplayer was awesome, despite bayonetta and Jeanne having a cheat ability to get an edge in combat. I really enjoyed being able to play as the masked Lumen and Rosa (Rosa because she felt like Bayonetta 1's damage). Insidious looked amazing! Sloth was the best normal enemy design in Bayonetta 2. It was so well done and reminded me of grace and glory. I am curious to know which you liked more as enemies, given the theme of this video.
Hmm Bayonetta 2 NSIC suddenly makes sense after seeing the enemy design. Having no Wii U I will never actually fight against these enemies so I never knew. This video shows that movesets are not what makes a great beat em up.
Do a video on God hand!
I've considered it actually, or at least including a decent bit of it in a bigger video.
I got Bayonetta on pc when it came out. Got to the part with the ships and quit the game for ever...
Wait, I thought Infinite Climax was in Bayonetta 2?
I hope Bayo 3 has the polish and color of Bayo 2 and the creativity, depth, enemy/boss design, combo point system, and just overall gameplay system ( as in no garbage Umbrian climax) of Bayo 1.
"Rude-boi" xD
IF IIIIIII CAN DANCE WITH THE DANGEEEEER. Ah, shit. Wrong game.
I found the greatest enemy in Bayonetta to be the camera.
Aaaaaand subbed
so bayonetta 2 is dmc 2?
kamiya was always better than itsuno when it comes to enemy designs. its why dmc1's enemies are so much better than 3's. 1 makes every enemy a puzzle of tactics that allow different approaches and if not are really good at forcing you to think steps ahead, where as 3 is filled with either punching bags or pace killers that force boring slower approaches. they spent several hours establishing the style meter, only to make you use nothing but a couple moves over and over again because they're invulnerable to most your repertoire. duhlahans can only be attacked by air slashes, souleaters have to be ignored until you dodge and stinger them twice or shoot them with spiral .and the fallen can only effectively handled by the hammer...a weapon specific move thats locked to the swordmaster style. even frosts let you experiment with nightmare beta the grenade gun and round trip in 1.
This is why 1 and unironically 5 are better then 3
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If only the devs for Devil May Cry 5 watched this video
But dmc5 at least has good boss fights so it evens out
@@MILDMONSTER1234 most of them, but the bosses are kinda pushovers
@@thatguyfrommetalgear very few games have enemies as good as bayo 1 or the wonderful 101. Dmc 1 and 5 come real close imo.
@@thebuddah1253 Bayo 1 has pretty damn good enemy design
When it comes to DMC, I personally think 4 does better than 5
But I understand preferring 5
Video about Ninja Gaiden Franchise?