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ur just saying ur ass kyrscleave nemesis sh is trash same with what this joon kid js said like bro if ur getitng hit by a true seraph in 2024 stop playing
Problem: Silentheart limits to four playstyles 1. Rely on crit 2. Rely on enchant 3. Do insane dmg 4. All of the above Problem: Silentheart nerfs target no-attunemnet / hybrid builds example: - Nerf on Skatana Crit / Crit's in general - Nerf on proficiency to nerf Silentheart (previous buff before nerfing gave it mage level strength) - Swing speed and dmg readjustment to dagger + knives' journey rework (didn't remove end lag, weapon is dead. I have played 80 chime matches today and haven't seen one dagger) - Nemesis Uppercut Nerf - Solar Nerf Solution: 2 slits downways lay down in ice bath til you go numb and pass in tub
I agree that Silentheart deserves a rework and some improvements cuz of how bad it is in ganks... but on the other hand, I can't help but look at my Hivelord Silentheart which does 78 damage per m1 to a person with 40% physical + exo and think to my self "does this abomination truly deserve even more power"
@@axe6103 I switched to a 3* Pen Detonation Kanabo mate, I've entered my villain arc which this shit, this weapon should be banned by the geneva convention cuz using it is just a straight-up war crime
the main issue with silentheart is that its basically a damage gimmick. the ONLY real use silentheart has in current meta is being able to oneshot players with stuff like kyrscleave if they are bad. Its essentially just "i win if my opponent doesnt know how to play" oath nowadays
i love silentheart and will continue to use it, but im glad that you brought up some of these points about how its really not as good as people would say. Its just really annoying how going dawnwalker instead of silentheart on a non-attunement build would basically just be an upgrade for less effort. I just really hate how cool silentheart couldve been, but the devs just ended up gutting it and making it worthless
My idea of a Silentheart rework would be something like having; Your moves like Ankle Cutter and Mani Katti being actual moves in your hotbar. Instead of the button for the move having the blue type background, it would have that red color to it, signifying the influence of your heart being silenced. (You can now also put deep gems in your moves) another idea to add onto this could be that every time you kill a trainer, you are granted 1 silentheart talent, then a hand of moves, and you get to pick which one you want, since the person who is working on silentheart rn is taking inspiration from anime moves. Since there are 6 trainers, that will give you 6 silentheart talents and moves. Also, once you get silentheart, all upcoming mantra hands that you receive from leveling up will be removed as if it wasn’t there to begin with. With that, the talent and mantra hand indicators would now just be the talent indicator, then a “+2 cards” beside it for when there would be a mantra hand for the non-silent. This gives Silentheart a unique look on the player’s POV in deepwoken, visual and in actual combat. Lastly, the name change of Ether and Tempo for Silentheart. I feel like with Silentheart, Ether and Tempo would be the same, but they’d call it a different name, just to fit with the “I reject The Song” aspect. They could call Ether “Suppression”, and Tempo “Inhibition” You use moves via Suppression because you want to “Supress” others, and if they are getting too loud at you, you use your “Inhibition” to shut them down. Some other details, your moves would still be at the “mantras” tab when you are resting, but the tab won’t be called “mantras”. It could be called “Techniques”. And yeah that’s it. Did I cook?
@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh Ankle Cutter and Mani Katti are arguably classified as moves. They are not like Heretic Sutra or Ardour Scream, they are different attacks you can do that are different to M1s and crits, similar to Mantras. AC and MK are just not on your hotbar. I do see your point tho
@@_fxst Ankle cutter and mani katti are moreso upgrades of your regular combat kit though. Ankle cutter is just an addon to your slides, kinda. Arcwarder allows you to attack while dashing I believe, basically just ankle cutter for dashes. Its not really a new move
It's bad for many reasons, such as no build variety, boring interaction and weapon bias. I don't think it's bad in the literal sense, I find myself performing way better with silentheart compared to a regular build, because I don't have to think about nearly as much without the use of mantras; I can just focus on defense.
gank potential is good, increadibly high damage in chaotic fights is very very easy to land most of the time. and oyu say that your entire build has to be around the oath....yeah. thats sort of what it does, it literally takes away all of your mantras, your build HAS to be weapon based. i honestly think silentheart is fine, it just needs to have its silence and "mantras" reworked to support multiple playstyles, maybe letting you equip multiple different ones for different actions (ex. different uppercut moves, different air moves, different sliding moves, different running moves, etc etc)
Hope the rework gives it unique melee based mantras that would solve some of the problems? And maybe add a special boss that drops special gear for atunmentless and SH?
I think the reaosn on why silenthearth is probably the single most hated oath is not because of the oath itself but because of light weapon being somewhat impossible to fight against for some players and some silenthearth users just running and stalling the fight playing very passively that the fights becone unenjoyable, but overall chime of conflict also ruined the oath but i think that goes for everything. Remove chime
@theamazinggarbage3209 Og Silentheart was arguably a better staller than a Mage build when it first came out with light weapons, even taking into consideration the dash projectile it got later when it was worse. AT ITS PEAK it was Definitely a silentheart issue and not a Light weapon issue.
make the dmg buff from the dread stacks go from 15% base to 50% because it deadass would make getting rid of mantras and any sort of heal and any gimmick worth discarding for silentheart
for higherskilled players probably but it carries casual players allowing them to do half someones hp with like 2 m1s with hivelord hubris/kyrscleave with relatively no skills to learn
I’m thinkin silent hearts pseudo mantras should be able to adapt to the weapon u use like a grab for fist or a airslash with a weapon that’s a bad example but my point is with different weapons it should carry different play styles, do I sound like an idiot yes But I think it would be fun like with fist have pseudo mantras that match rock lee With a katana maybe Toji something like that I personally think it would be cool but what do I know I’m a retired player
true, silentheart got heavily nerfed because of the horrible community but i still abuse it for instance: verse 1 build with 100 str 90 ftd 100 heavy 25 agility and 15 willpower the hivelord's huberis 1 shot a 400 hp player :3
silentheart also suffers in the pve lot as neither mani kati or ankle cutter are great for pve, mani kati being the only one that semi works. If silentheart gets reworked, mobility should be included.
Give silent heart the ability to replicate attunementless mantras out of sheer power. Strong leap? Makes a manii kati spear that points upwards and you leap towards it. Dash? Ankle cut then jump, doing a quick and long spin forwards. Idk. would be cool
You completely forgot that silent heart builds have ardour scream and bersekr 95% of the time. The damage scaled with those are just unbelievable. Not to mention poser ring shattered can hit you twice and stack for over a bar and a half after waiting a little bit.
i think a pretty solid reason to why people think silentheart is still super strong is because of the ctrl c+v petras anchor detonation crazy slots cheese builds
What i was thinking hes acting like the build options in game are 50/50 silentheart or attunement. But silentheart is one of 12 or 13 oaths (dont know the exact amount rn). Just based on the 2k hours on silentheart you know this video is enitrely biased. The mix ups you gain are more than enough to replace mantras. You gain way more talents aswell as crazy damage resistance against any attunement which his main problem was (silentheart vs attunement) the m1 damage you gain from silentheart does not count towards damage buff cap either
@@JohannesHeintelyeah bro having ankle cutter and mani katti IS NOT giving you same amount of mix ups as any attunement or even attunementless, thats mad to even think like that
my only complaint ab this video is that silentheart *does* have good gank potential, and is good if not better than other gank-oriented oaths first off, it can shut down mobility completely w/ vengeful pursuit (it applies bear trap effect) and certain talents that can easily be fit into a silentheart build like air counter second off, it can still chase other people extremely well via mani katti, especially if they're climbing upwards. and like i said earlier vengeful pursuit not only completely shuts down mobility but ALSO is a fast ranged projectile with not that long of a cd third off and my final point, literally posers ring. it is PERFECT for ganking and can completely stop runners in their tracks or even set the gank back to neutral if you hit multiple people. oh and since silentheart doesn't have it, posers also fall dmg cancels if you time your sheathing right bit of a late response since this video was a whole two days ago but i stumbled upon it just now and just wanted to give my piece of mind
It's literally the worst gank oath wdym? If you wanna gank, just go a trackstar/Assassination Jetstriker Gale Lightning Build with insanely better mobility, ranged mantras, easier damage, and the ability to chase way better. With the added bonus of never dying btw. Silentheart has no way to escape, subpar chasing potential compared to an attunement, sucks in group fights, has no healing excluding spits, and lacks general mobility. Saying Sh is a good gank oath is actually braindead. Go literally any other oath w/ an attunement and you'll automatically have a better gank build.
@Sc5ch literally the best way to fix healing is vampirism, it's great and can sustain for a long time Also saying it's bad for group fights isn't true, with silentheart you are given two literally free moves (true vantage and mani katti) which can grant brief but very well needed moments of clarity Sure it can't really escape chasing all that well and you might tank some hits in the middle of running, but that's the beauty of silentheart. You can tank hits with little punishment, it's meant to be a hard hitting and tanky oath relying on weapon and base fundamentals but exchanging that for no healing. And if you know how to actually play silentheart, like I said it can be better than some oaths for ganking
@monographix Those moves are just stalls tho. They don't actually do much in comparison to just running away. Sure, it can help stall till your guild pulls up, but running is just better. I can run Vamp on any build and still have Bloodless. Silentheart itself nerfs you compared to any other oath. That healing is really good, especially against multiple people. Also, Silentheart has barely any AoE damage. Just go a mage build and compare the two. Again, you cannot run and the only people who can chase trackstar builds are trackstar builds, which Silentheart is locked out of. Mani Katti is not stopping them my guy.
@Sc5ch I never said you could stop trackstars with mani katti, I said you could catch up to them with it since it's a tp move much like Radiant Kick or Metal Fakeout. It might have less range sure, but it's a viable option. Also, I have to bring this up for the sake of myself, I hate the argument of "silentheart has no AoE!" It's an oath that focuses on close ranged combat and your weapon, it's not supposed to have AoE and was never meant to have it. And even if you want multi-hit potential, some weapons fix that like Railblade or Pale Briar. Sure you can run vampirism on any build, but what would be the purpose of that? You'd be missing out on other enchants, and a majority of meta builds run legendary weapons anyways. The same argument could apply to silentheart, but if you run vampirism with silentheart rather than any other oath it's much more effective since as explained earlier silentheart doesn't have any good healing and vampirism fixes that. Not only that, but vampirism also counters the bloodthirsty meta. And even if you don't want to run vampirism silentheart, you do enough damage to rely on health packs from knocks and reaper grips for sustainable healing.
if u don't fw silentheart i don't fw u it's the most fun shit ever you just parry until the enemy is out of resources if u think silentheart is supposed to be " all offense " you're wrong you just wait and parry until your enemy is out of ether / tempo then you beat on them (assuming that you're the superior parrier). Silentheart is a passive oath and that may lead some into thinking it is bad.
@@xianlieh bro just cant accept that people have to hit u 10x more than you have to hit them 💀, i could be fighting a silentheart player for 6 minutes straight and know that if i miss 1 parry thats 3 bars gone from them clicking their mouse.
could you not of at least tested silentheart with dread stacks? this isnt a comparable test.. its like comparing something with 20 dmg ( the build has a shit ton of dmg mods but u dont even activate them ) and then the same build but with RA saying, oh just go this build u get 50 extra health and dmg reduction! I run 1h gun silentheart in top chime and its a good oath
I dont like silentheart but making silence dont proc on parrying mantras is literally killing the concept of silentheart. How do you fight mages when you cant disable their magic? I think silence should proc on parrying mantras but it scales with their mantra level so 1-3 levels dont proc silence but if you parry 4-5 level mantra it applies silence
Merciless Blade -> Shows merciless. (Change the killing stance to use your feet to stomp down on the enemy) You can now execute enemies much faster and when the kill is successful enemy around you will be dazed and your Dread stack will be maxed out. Dread Fighter -> Lord of Hate. Parrying, landing criticals, and flourishes now gives you stacks of Dread . Each stack of Dread increases your damage and mantra resistance up to 20%, however upon being hit by a Mantra, you lose one stack of Dread, but will not be lost if the mantra is not from attunement (monster, attunement-less, oath) Lodestar -> Dread meteor Landing criticals, flourishes, and uppercuts now silences your enemy for 3-6 seconds depends on the Dread stack you have, disabling their ability to cast mantras. Attempting to cast a mantra causes an enemy to be knock down for a short period of time.
Make Merciless Blade do something other than affect execution. Maybe make it so if your opponent ceases to attack you for more than 10 seconds (Even if they get parried or blocked, it counts as an attempt to attack, which resets this clock) you gain some sort of buff. Basically you become more ruthless if your opponent is trying to surrender.
that was an all around bleed damage nerf (it wasn’t even meant to do that much), that hit everything hard, also evanspear silentheart was only used for pve
Small fixup for silentheart: All gems don't work on silentheart players All DMG buffs are cut by 25% against silentheart players Every other M1 applies a Status effect or Enchant proc on silentheart players 30% posture boost to ankle cutter + Mani kati
Bro wants to do a bar per m1 on a jus karita silent heart "silentheart isnt good for pvp" the nemisis kyrscleave silentheart that 4 shots you "silentheart isnt good for ganks" the detonation railblade silentheart that 4 shots you "the silence effect isnt good" the yun shul rapier silent thats makes you unable to use mantras for 75% of the fight and also 7 shots you "silentheart isnt good" most pve players, pvp players, chime builds, and gank builds uses this oath for a reason its VERY good. you make some good points though
A mage artillery build would outperform a Silentheart any day. Better yet, just make a Jetstriker Gale-Thunder Trackstar/Assassination Build and never die while still putting in more work than a Silentheart ever will.
good video until you said 3% aint a big difference, for a light thats wild imagine the difference on a heavy man. plus you get more talents therefor more opportunities to get damage mods on silentheart, meaning you usually do alot more damage than the equivalent attunementless build also silentheart heavys have no right doing a bar and a half a guardbreak and just running around in ganks swinging randomly doing a bar an m1 😇
the test is heavily skewed, silentheart needs dreadstacks, besides he never shows whether the build doesnt have attribute scaling rings or even the same amount of light wep or the same amount of pen. Its a flawed experiment
TH-camrs have to stop making videos to nerf or buff something because they want it to get buffed or nerfed. The oath is still strong, there is no reason to rework it, maybe design wise but it’s working fine. 💀
In comparison to... Dawnwalker: (Which I shouldn't even need to explain why it's better) Arcwarder: (Damage reduction, Anti-Guardbreak, AoE's, Slight Mobility buffs.) Blindseer: (Damage, Team Healing, Full on Denial of Mantras instead of reducing their damage) Contractor: (Counter, Stuns, Optional: Drip) Visionshaper: (Genjutsu, Counter, Forced 1v1 zone) Saltchemist: (Mindbreaking Potions.) Starkindred: (Sinister Halo + slight Mobility buffs) ...It's not a great contender. It's not strong nor good, it can be in a hyper-idealized setting like Chime Maybe, but if it needs a niche situation or condition to be viable in that doesn't line up with it's core design, it's not good.
@@swavii4337 my silent heart build does 1 bar per m1 in a 520 hp with 49% physical armor, it’s stupidly strong. I don’t think it should get buffed/reworked. You’re basing your opinion on top10 chime (probably), but game isn’t just chime. Most of gankers go Silentheart nowdays, it’s by far one of the best oath and buffing it has to be the most unnecessary change.
@beafyk6970 My opinion is entirely based on the overworld. A. I refuse to touch chime B. A lot of the things I brought up, like mind breaking potions, team healing, and forced 1v1 zone doesn't/can't really apply to chime too well. Most gankers go it usually due to missing when the game really was more focused on parrys and less on mantras. I think it needs a rework because barring the unique... And unfortunately after all the updates, underwhelming abilities, it doesn't do anything that another oath can't do better. Shut down Mantras? Blindseer Shut down mobility? Saltchemist, linkstrider. Focus in M1's? Dawnwalker (and if you're good at prediction, contractor to an extent) Mobility? Jetstriker, Starkindred. Survivability? Oathless, blindseer, Arcwarder.
@@beafyk6970 oh, and secondly, having the only thing going for it being obnoxiously high m1 Dmg does not do it any favors. It's still an extremely one note oath due to everything else not being in its favor.
1. Silentheart is still one of the best oaths, I have no idea what this actual numbskull is yapping about 2. Silentheart is amazing, just because not many people are good with it (you) does not mean it is terrible 3. Silentheart requires actual skill, you can't be reliant on one thing. If you get beaten by someone depending on their critical as a silentheart then you are just bad in general. pretty good video though, although there has only been a rise, another rise and get this... ANOTHER RISE of Silentheart; there has been no fall.
mentioned in the disclaimer that my test was to test base dmg but at the same time i see where you are coming from. if you would like to do your own test and let me know how it goes then please feel free to!
@@ttana_ also take into account that the silentheart probably has more points into weapon than the other build. a silentheart build and a regular build with the same weapon, same medium, same enchant, basically do the same damage as you said. people whined about silentheart until it lost its identity as a songless oath and warranted a rework.
silentheart barely gets nerfs dawg 😭😭😭😭 just bc it doesn't have mix ups doesn't mean its not broken chime, ganks, 1s... half a bar per light wep, a bar per hvy wep atk but ye keep talking abt it
@@elnickyy i farmed to top 80 and only saw one other silentheart user in chime. Having big m1 damage doesnt mean anything if you cant land your m1s against competent players. Also, the strongest m1 build in the game actually isnt a silentheart build, its an ironsing heavy build. The oath is genuinely not good at top 50 elo but because it stomps freshies everyone thinks its a dev spec.
silentheart carried L + 500 elo 🤣
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No gank potential? WHAT
you said the tide of the battle more then ive stroked it
@@zukodeepwokenWHAT
w retroverser
the clone trooper kryscleave nemsis builds in question:
better with attunement builds that let you ragdoll tbh
the silentheart true seraph pen builds dealing a bar per m1:
ur just saying ur ass kyrscleave nemesis sh is trash same with what this joon kid js said like bro if ur getitng hit by a true seraph in 2024 stop playing
@@JJJJOOONNNN how tf did you know my exact build-
and here I thought I was being original...
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Hubris nemesis now*
God of war reference
K1 said its coming after conquest
Problem: Silentheart limits to four playstyles
1. Rely on crit
2. Rely on enchant
3. Do insane dmg
4. All of the above
Problem: Silentheart nerfs target no-attunemnet / hybrid builds
example:
- Nerf on Skatana Crit / Crit's in general
- Nerf on proficiency to nerf Silentheart (previous buff before nerfing gave it mage level strength)
- Swing speed and dmg readjustment to dagger + knives' journey rework (didn't remove end lag, weapon is dead. I have played 80 chime matches today and haven't seen one dagger)
- Nemesis Uppercut Nerf
- Solar Nerf
Solution: 2 slits downways lay down in ice bath til you go numb and pass in tub
whar-
NAH WHAT 😭
@@ttana_ I love ur vids tana just understand they wont fix this oath and it will be the slow burn til sudden death pvp oath until cursed gear drops
true..
no attunement is why wyrmtooth got nerfed not sh builds
I agree that Silentheart deserves a rework and some improvements cuz of how bad it is in ganks... but on the other hand, I can't help but look at my Hivelord Silentheart which does 78 damage per m1 to a person with 40% physical + exo and think to my self "does this abomination truly deserve even more power"
i feel that 😭
I can parry that shit it’s the same as silent heart hive lords hubris nemesis I see in chime when you fight it so many times you get used to it
@@axe6103 I switched to a 3* Pen Detonation Kanabo mate, I've entered my villain arc which this shit, this weapon should be banned by the geneva convention cuz using it is just a straight-up war crime
@@Phenixdan7 I can still parry
the main issue with silentheart is that its basically a damage gimmick. the ONLY real use silentheart has in current meta is being able to oneshot players with stuff like kyrscleave if they are bad. Its essentially just "i win if my opponent doesnt know how to play" oath nowadays
i love silentheart and will continue to use it, but im glad that you brought up some of these points about how its really not as good as people would say. Its just really annoying how going dawnwalker instead of silentheart on a non-attunement build would basically just be an upgrade for less effort. I just really hate how cool silentheart couldve been, but the devs just ended up gutting it and making it worthless
My idea of a Silentheart rework would be something like having;
Your moves like Ankle Cutter and Mani Katti being actual moves in your hotbar. Instead of the button for the move having the blue type background, it would have that red color to it, signifying the influence of your heart being silenced.
(You can now also put deep gems in your moves)
another idea to add onto this could be that every time you kill a trainer, you are granted 1 silentheart talent, then a hand of moves, and you get to pick which one you want, since the person who is working on silentheart rn is taking inspiration from anime moves.
Since there are 6 trainers, that will give you 6 silentheart talents and moves. Also, once you get silentheart, all upcoming mantra hands that you receive from leveling up will be removed as if it wasn’t there to begin with.
With that, the talent and mantra hand indicators would now just be the talent indicator, then a “+2 cards” beside it for when there would be a mantra hand for the non-silent.
This gives Silentheart a unique look on the player’s POV in deepwoken, visual and in actual combat.
Lastly, the name change of Ether and Tempo for Silentheart. I feel like with Silentheart, Ether and Tempo would be the same, but they’d call it a different name, just to fit with the “I reject The Song” aspect.
They could call Ether “Suppression”, and Tempo “Inhibition”
You use moves via Suppression because you want to “Supress” others, and if they are getting too loud at you, you use your “Inhibition” to shut them down.
Some other details, your moves would still be at the “mantras” tab when you are resting, but the tab won’t be called “mantras”. It could be called “Techniques”.
And yeah that’s it. Did I cook?
That would kinda make it lose its uniqueness which was not having any moves
An Idea is having "resentment" which would would like everchanging aegis, getting hit by the same attunement multiple times can add something idk
@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh Ankle Cutter and Mani Katti are arguably classified as moves. They are not like Heretic Sutra or Ardour Scream, they are different attacks you can do that are different to M1s and crits, similar to Mantras. AC and MK are just not on your hotbar. I do see your point tho
@@_fxst Ankle cutter and mani katti are moreso upgrades of your regular combat kit though. Ankle cutter is just an addon to your slides, kinda. Arcwarder allows you to attack while dashing I believe, basically just ankle cutter for dashes. Its not really a new move
@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh I see where you’re coming from
It's bad for many reasons, such as no build variety, boring interaction and weapon bias. I don't think it's bad in the literal sense, I find myself performing way better with silentheart compared to a regular build, because I don't have to think about nearly as much without the use of mantras; I can just focus on defense.
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gank potential is good, increadibly high damage in chaotic fights is very very easy to land most of the time. and oyu say that your entire build has to be around the oath....yeah. thats sort of what it does, it literally takes away all of your mantras, your build HAS to be weapon based. i honestly think silentheart is fine, it just needs to have its silence and "mantras" reworked to support multiple playstyles, maybe letting you equip multiple different ones for different actions (ex. different uppercut moves, different air moves, different sliding moves, different running moves, etc etc)
1200 elo demon is spitting 🗣️ 🔥🔥
Hope the rework gives it unique melee based mantras that would solve some of the problems? And maybe add a special boss that drops special gear for atunmentless and SH?
I still stand by my friends description of silentheart: “Stat checking players, but as an oath”
@@purevitality327 absolutely wrong unless it's hivelord heavy hands. It's *the* skill check.
silentheart forces parry trades which is the opposite of stat checking
The heavy 100 str 2 bars per m1 crazyslots build in question:
Probably one of the best if not the best chime oath
Uhhhh... For the extra dmg you need all the dread stacks for the full max dmg ...🐌
Right! Like??? That was not a good test 😭
I think the reaosn on why silenthearth is probably the single most hated oath is not because of the oath itself but because of light weapon being somewhat impossible to fight against for some players and some silenthearth users just running and stalling the fight playing very passively that the fights becone unenjoyable, but overall chime of conflict also ruined the oath but i think that goes for everything. Remove chime
That’s a light weapon issue, not a silent heart issue. That same argument can be applied to non light silent hearts.
REMOVE CHIME BRING BACK OVERWORLD FIGHTS 🗣️🗣️🗣️
so u have a skill issue
@theamazinggarbage3209 Og Silentheart was arguably a better staller than a Mage build when it first came out with light weapons, even taking into consideration the dash projectile it got later when it was worse. AT ITS PEAK it was Definitely a silentheart issue and not a Light weapon issue.
@@swavii4337 were talking about present sh not old
should've made the title "the rise and fall and Rise again of silentheart.." cs ts is meta rn
Ts is not meta 😂😂😂
It is Meta
Silenthearts can ardour scream alot more, you should also test damage with that on
10:00 what about the dread stacks...
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good video 👍👍
excellent editing
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Finally, I been saying this so long 😭. Justice for silentheart
make the dmg buff from the dread stacks go from 15% base to 50% because it deadass would make getting rid of mantras and any sort of heal and any gimmick worth discarding for silentheart
for higherskilled players probably but it carries casual players allowing them to do half someones hp with like 2 m1s with hivelord hubris/kyrscleave with relatively no skills to learn
went from a devspec to a insane oath
I’m thinkin silent hearts pseudo mantras should be able to adapt to the weapon u use like a grab for fist or a airslash with a weapon that’s a bad example but my point is with different weapons it should carry different play styles, do I sound like an idiot
yes
But I think it would be fun like with fist have pseudo mantras that match rock lee
With a katana maybe Toji something like that I personally think it would be cool but what do I know I’m a retired player
its never been bad
the silentheart doing 99% of my health in one m1 in question:
the damage testing doesnt prove anything when you have none of the silentheart buffs active you receive while fighting
true, silentheart got heavily nerfed because of the horrible community
but i still abuse it
for instance: verse 1 build with 100 str 90 ftd 100 heavy 25 agility and 15 willpower
the hivelord's huberis 1 shot a 400 hp player :3
silentheart also suffers in the pve lot as neither mani kati or ankle cutter are great for pve, mani kati being the only one that semi works. If silentheart gets reworked, mobility should be included.
Give silent heart the ability to replicate attunementless mantras out of sheer power. Strong leap? Makes a manii kati spear that points upwards and you leap towards it. Dash? Ankle cut then jump, doing a quick and long spin forwards. Idk. would be cool
You completely forgot that silent heart builds have ardour scream and bersekr 95% of the time. The damage scaled with those are just unbelievable. Not to mention poser ring shattered can hit you twice and stack for over a bar and a half after waiting a little bit.
Cant wait for the rework to turn it into wireless attacks anime slop
You can hit a silent heart player 20 times and they lose half their hp. Meanwhile silentheart players only need to hit you 4 times to get you to half.
i think a pretty solid reason to why people think silentheart is still super strong is because of the ctrl c+v petras anchor detonation crazy slots cheese builds
it gives it a bad rep 😭
comparing a singular oath that changes the game style to attunements which the game is built off of is so crazy
What i was thinking hes acting like the build options in game are 50/50 silentheart or attunement. But silentheart is one of 12 or 13 oaths (dont know the exact amount rn). Just based on the 2k hours on silentheart you know this video is enitrely biased. The mix ups you gain are more than enough to replace mantras. You gain way more talents aswell as crazy damage resistance against any attunement which his main problem was (silentheart vs attunement) the m1 damage you gain from silentheart does not count towards damage buff cap either
@@JohannesHeintelyeah bro having ankle cutter and mani katti IS NOT giving you same amount of mix ups as any attunement or even attunementless, thats mad to even think like that
Silentheart deadass takes just… one less combo essentially.
my only complaint ab this video is that silentheart *does* have good gank potential, and is good if not better than other gank-oriented oaths
first off, it can shut down mobility completely w/ vengeful pursuit (it applies bear trap effect) and certain talents that can easily be fit into a silentheart build like air counter
second off, it can still chase other people extremely well via mani katti, especially if they're climbing upwards. and like i said earlier vengeful pursuit not only completely shuts down mobility but ALSO is a fast ranged projectile with not that long of a cd
third off and my final point, literally posers ring. it is PERFECT for ganking and can completely stop runners in their tracks or even set the gank back to neutral if you hit multiple people. oh and since silentheart doesn't have it, posers also fall dmg cancels if you time your sheathing right
bit of a late response since this video was a whole two days ago but i stumbled upon it just now and just wanted to give my piece of mind
It's literally the worst gank oath wdym?
If you wanna gank, just go a trackstar/Assassination Jetstriker Gale Lightning Build with insanely better mobility, ranged mantras, easier damage, and the ability to chase way better. With the added bonus of never dying btw.
Silentheart has no way to escape, subpar chasing potential compared to an attunement, sucks in group fights, has no healing excluding spits, and lacks general mobility.
Saying Sh is a good gank oath is actually braindead. Go literally any other oath w/ an attunement and you'll automatically have a better gank build.
@Sc5ch literally the best way to fix healing is vampirism, it's great and can sustain for a long time
Also saying it's bad for group fights isn't true, with silentheart you are given two literally free moves (true vantage and mani katti) which can grant brief but very well needed moments of clarity
Sure it can't really escape chasing all that well and you might tank some hits in the middle of running, but that's the beauty of silentheart. You can tank hits with little punishment, it's meant to be a hard hitting and tanky oath relying on weapon and base fundamentals but exchanging that for no healing. And if you know how to actually play silentheart, like I said it can be better than some oaths for ganking
@monographix Those moves are just stalls tho. They don't actually do much in comparison to just running away. Sure, it can help stall till your guild pulls up, but running is just better.
I can run Vamp on any build and still have Bloodless. Silentheart itself nerfs you compared to any other oath. That healing is really good, especially against multiple people. Also, Silentheart has barely any AoE damage. Just go a mage build and compare the two.
Again, you cannot run and the only people who can chase trackstar builds are trackstar builds, which Silentheart is locked out of. Mani Katti is not stopping them my guy.
@Sc5ch I never said you could stop trackstars with mani katti, I said you could catch up to them with it since it's a tp move much like Radiant Kick or Metal Fakeout. It might have less range sure, but it's a viable option.
Also, I have to bring this up for the sake of myself, I hate the argument of "silentheart has no AoE!" It's an oath that focuses on close ranged combat and your weapon, it's not supposed to have AoE and was never meant to have it. And even if you want multi-hit potential, some weapons fix that like Railblade or Pale Briar.
Sure you can run vampirism on any build, but what would be the purpose of that? You'd be missing out on other enchants, and a majority of meta builds run legendary weapons anyways. The same argument could apply to silentheart, but if you run vampirism with silentheart rather than any other oath it's much more effective since as explained earlier silentheart doesn't have any good healing and vampirism fixes that. Not only that, but vampirism also counters the bloodthirsty meta. And even if you don't want to run vampirism silentheart, you do enough damage to rely on health packs from knocks and reaper grips for sustainable healing.
I have been called too
Comcept is cool but in reality using silentheart as main and only build is brainrot
Gta 6 is gonna release before the silentheart rework
Needed video
someone did more damage to me per m1 with an ice heroblade than a silentheart shattered did bruh
LOL
if u don't fw silentheart i don't fw u it's the most fun shit ever you just parry until the enemy is out of resources
if u think silentheart is supposed to be " all offense " you're wrong you just wait and parry until your enemy is out of ether / tempo then you beat on them (assuming that you're the superior parrier). Silentheart is a passive oath and that may lead some into thinking it is bad.
actually hold on the Saitama play style is funny as hell let him cook
50 second matches bcz you m1 some1 6 times doesnt sound like fun for both parties
@@thetasteofrage4521 u gotta be terrible to make such comment
@@purevitality327 saitama playstyle is fun but not viable for pro / high skill play
@@xianlieh bro just cant accept that people have to hit u 10x more than you have to hit them 💀, i could be fighting a silentheart player for 6 minutes straight and know that if i miss 1 parry thats 3 bars gone from them clicking their mouse.
Need stacks for dmg boost
could you not of at least tested silentheart with dread stacks? this isnt a comparable test.. its like comparing something with 20 dmg ( the build has a shit ton of dmg mods but u dont even activate them ) and then the same build but with RA saying, oh just go this build u get 50 extra health and dmg reduction!
I run 1h gun silentheart in top chime and its a good oath
Me who runs oathless attunementless
I dont like silentheart but making silence dont proc on parrying mantras is literally killing the concept of silentheart. How do you fight mages when you cant disable their magic? I think silence should proc on parrying mantras but it scales with their mantra level so 1-3 levels dont proc silence but if you parry 4-5 level mantra it applies silence
what is playing in the background
yet its still the strongest
Merciless Blade -> Shows merciless. (Change the killing stance to use your feet to stomp down on the enemy) You can now execute enemies much faster and when the kill is successful enemy around you will be dazed and your Dread stack will be maxed out.
Dread Fighter -> Lord of Hate. Parrying, landing criticals, and flourishes now gives you stacks of Dread . Each stack of Dread increases your damage and mantra resistance up to 20%, however upon being hit by a Mantra, you lose one stack of Dread, but will not be lost if the mantra is not from attunement (monster, attunement-less, oath)
Lodestar -> Dread meteor
Landing criticals, flourishes, and uppercuts now silences your enemy for 3-6 seconds depends on the Dread stack you have, disabling their ability to cast mantras. Attempting to cast a mantra causes an enemy to be knock down for a short period of time.
Thats honestly a good rework
ramp kid comment, i am glad you wont be anything in the future
Make Merciless Blade do something other than affect execution. Maybe make it so if your opponent ceases to attack you for more than 10 seconds (Even if they get parried or blocked, it counts as an attempt to attack, which resets this clock) you gain some sort of buff. Basically you become more ruthless if your opponent is trying to surrender.
@@AnchanBird ramp kid post, finding your user now
@@aahhhhhhhhhhhhh thats so situational
When did it fall off?
I dunno man some silentheart guy with medium did a bar of My hp and i had 501 hp and 40% physical armor so i dunno man i dunno
True damage moment
Imo silent heart seems balanced right now, but an added mobility move is a feature that would make it a whole lot better!
Am i tweaking or did bro put balance & silentheart in the same sentence💀💀
Silentheart would be still good if not evanspear nerf
that was an all around bleed damage nerf (it wasn’t even meant to do that much), that hit everything hard, also evanspear silentheart was only used for pve
Small fixup for silentheart:
All gems don't work on silentheart players
All DMG buffs are cut by 25% against silentheart players
Every other M1 applies a Status effect or Enchant proc on silentheart players
30% posture boost to ankle cutter + Mani kati
its the best oath rn wdym
Bro wants to do a bar per m1 on a jus karita silent heart
"silentheart isnt good for pvp" the nemisis kyrscleave silentheart that 4 shots you
"silentheart isnt good for ganks" the detonation railblade silentheart that 4 shots you
"the silence effect isnt good" the yun shul rapier silent thats makes you unable to use mantras for 75% of the fight and also 7 shots you
"silentheart isnt good" most pve players, pvp players, chime builds, and gank builds uses this oath for a reason its VERY good.
you make some good points though
i just use it for pve
brooo silent heart is fine y’all mfs stay der 🤤💀💀🤣💀🤣💀💀
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@@ttana_ u herd me brigns
silent heart is still meta on overworld ganks people lag the server out and pull up with their 1 bar per m1 silentheart builds to ensure kills
A mage artillery build would outperform a Silentheart any day.
Better yet, just make a Jetstriker Gale-Thunder Trackstar/Assassination Build and never die while still putting in more work than a Silentheart ever will.
i wouldnt call it meta but i would definitely its not the worse gank oath there is today
good video until you said 3% aint a big difference, for a light thats wild imagine the difference on a heavy man. plus you get more talents therefor more opportunities to get damage mods on silentheart, meaning you usually do alot more damage than the equivalent attunementless build
also silentheart heavys have no right doing a bar and a half a guardbreak and just running around in ganks swinging randomly doing a bar an m1 😇
the test is heavily skewed, silentheart needs dreadstacks, besides he never shows whether the build doesnt have attribute scaling rings or even the same amount of light wep or the same amount of pen. Its a flawed experiment
wheres the dread stacks in the damage test bro...
Mentioned it in the disclaimer
ur jus not good with silentheart i went from 700 elo using attunements to 1243 elo after making a silentheart railblade and won 20 matches in a row
no
TH-camrs have to stop making videos to nerf or buff something because they want it to get buffed or nerfed. The oath is still strong, there is no reason to rework it, maybe design wise but it’s working fine. 💀
the guy that made it was going to rework it with jetstriker
and he delayed it till conquest got release
In comparison to...
Dawnwalker: (Which I shouldn't even need to explain why it's better)
Arcwarder: (Damage reduction, Anti-Guardbreak, AoE's, Slight Mobility buffs.)
Blindseer: (Damage, Team Healing, Full on Denial of Mantras instead of reducing their damage)
Contractor: (Counter, Stuns, Optional: Drip)
Visionshaper: (Genjutsu, Counter, Forced 1v1 zone)
Saltchemist: (Mindbreaking Potions.)
Starkindred: (Sinister Halo + slight Mobility buffs)
...It's not a great contender.
It's not strong nor good, it can be in a hyper-idealized setting like Chime Maybe, but if it needs a niche situation or condition to be viable in that doesn't line up with it's core design, it's not good.
@@swavii4337 my silent heart build does 1 bar per m1 in a 520 hp with 49% physical armor, it’s stupidly strong. I don’t think it should get buffed/reworked. You’re basing your opinion on top10 chime (probably), but game isn’t just chime. Most of gankers go Silentheart nowdays, it’s by far one of the best oath and buffing it has to be the most unnecessary change.
@beafyk6970 My opinion is entirely based on the overworld.
A. I refuse to touch chime
B. A lot of the things I brought up, like mind breaking potions, team healing, and forced 1v1 zone doesn't/can't really apply to chime too well. Most gankers go it usually due to missing when the game really was more focused on parrys and less on mantras.
I think it needs a rework because barring the unique... And unfortunately after all the updates, underwhelming abilities, it doesn't do anything that another oath can't do better.
Shut down Mantras? Blindseer
Shut down mobility? Saltchemist, linkstrider.
Focus in M1's? Dawnwalker (and if you're good at prediction, contractor to an extent)
Mobility? Jetstriker, Starkindred.
Survivability? Oathless, blindseer, Arcwarder.
@@beafyk6970 oh, and secondly, having the only thing going for it being obnoxiously high m1 Dmg does not do it any favors. It's still an extremely one note oath due to everything else not being in its favor.
The Rise and Fall of Deepwoken...
OLOLL
I think people who are complaining about the nerfs this much are a little salty that they can't be as edgy and have it be effective
This video is so low quality. You twist the facts so that you are always correct
Silentheart must be the most braindead oath ever its literally just the m1 oath takes out all the skill from the game and all u gotta do is m1
This take is so horrendous never cook again
yeah because mage builds are more skilled. the most braindead builds in this game will always have an attunement.
@@Champ_7298 when did i say that 💀
@@Champ_7298 im not saying its more braindead than some 600 hp ice heroblade build but it also isnt like garbage literally 1 bar m1s 550 hp 40 phys
@@Champ_7298 tell me how thats also balanced
Stop downplaying the best oath ingame 🎉🎉🎉🎉
1. Silentheart is still one of the best oaths, I have no idea what this actual numbskull is yapping about
2. Silentheart is amazing, just because not many people are good with it (you) does not mean it is terrible
3. Silentheart requires actual skill, you can't be reliant on one thing. If you get beaten by someone depending on their critical as a silentheart then you are just bad in general.
pretty good video though, although there has only been a rise, another rise and get this... ANOTHER RISE of Silentheart; there has been no fall.
Lose braindead arcane odyssey spell spam in return for an unreliable 15% damage boost BROKEN oath they HAVE to nerf it
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dude it took me like 5 mins to write it out 😮💨
mfs fr see more than two sentences and their brain goes straight to "this must be ai generated.."
@@onioncartel "i aint readin allat🗣"
@@onioncartelai generated response
its literally just the farron greatswords from ds3 jeesh youre actin like its the best thing since sliced bread
"silent heart community" 🤓🤓🤓
Rep-li-ca-ble
is it bad tana
yes.
tana is actually the best deepwoken youtuber you can’t name someone who has more entertaining yaps
agamatsu
@@hunny4043 tana🤤🤤
@@hunny4043 cant beat the king yet.
2k hours on silentheart and doing the m1 dmg test without dread stacks... ok lil bro
mentioned in the disclaimer that my test was to test base dmg but at the same time i see where you are coming from. if you would like to do your own test and let me know how it goes then please feel free to!
@@ttana_ also take into account that the silentheart probably has more points into weapon than the other build. a silentheart build and a regular build with the same weapon, same medium, same enchant, basically do the same damage as you said. people whined about silentheart until it lost its identity as a songless oath and warranted a rework.
@@ttana_ yeah well no shit they’re gonna deal the same amount of damage at base… why would you even put that in the video
New attunement = more silent heart bullshit
silentheart barely gets nerfs dawg 😭😭😭😭
just bc it doesn't have mix ups doesn't mean its not broken
chime, ganks, 1s... half a bar per light wep, a bar per hvy wep atk but ye keep talking abt it
bro sh gives 10% at most if u have all stacks, any build can deal as much
@@retrospective7021 not a single build can do as much as sh hvy
@@elnickyy i farmed to top 80 and only saw one other silentheart user in chime. Having big m1 damage doesnt mean anything if you cant land your m1s against competent players. Also, the strongest m1 build in the game actually isnt a silentheart build, its an ironsing heavy build. The oath is genuinely not good at top 50 elo but because it stomps freshies everyone thinks its a dev spec.
@@Champ_7298 ah yes ironsing build, still involving heavy
@@Champ_7298 also id guess your using a metal enchant which sh users can also obvs use
tana im gonna ai clone ur voice
WHAT LOL
just put the fries in the bag bro 🙏
never defend ts again
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silentpoop
ur the mommy asmr to my chime sessions
I don’t know how you actually listed everything you did about silentheart without realizing how broken it is, bro is actually blinded from meatriding
honestly its not the oath its the 1 bar an m1 heavy build lol
@@maple_syrup_ and it doesnt help that silentheart gives damage buffs that bypass the damage cap
Silentheart propaganda
u still got time to delete this
Cope.
yap
It is the easiest oath in the game dude.
Nice propaganda noob