On February 12th, RZIM officially released the (EXPLICIT) FINAL REPORT about Ravi Zacharias. It's NOT pretty. It's a sad day. For the Victims who weren’t believed. For RZIM. For the Church. Nobody wins here. But there IS a way forward! Hope this encourages you!!
@@Sherlock245 Allegations were made in 2017 and then more allegations came out last year around May. The investigators gave an interim report in December 2020 and the full/final report came out this week.
Do u think they should change the name of RZIM? BTW, u've mentioned gospel of Jesus Christ. Does it exist? I knew gospel Matthew, Mark, Luke, John but never come across gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@ahmadfuad3910 I'm not sure what they will do with the name, but I think it would probably be for the best at this point. Do you agree? As far as the Gospel of Jesus Christ...you actually HAVE come across that if you know the other 4 gospels :-). I'm not trying to be cute with my words either. I mean that genuinely. The very definition of the word "gospel" is "good news." It occurs over 90 times in the New Testament and refers to the "good news of Jesus Christ." So when Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John share their GOSPEL, they are sharing about the reality of the 2nd person of the Godhead born of a virgin who lived a perfect, sinless life in order to lay that life down as a perfect sacrifice for the sin of mankind. That's what makes is GOOD news! The bad news is that every one of us has SIN. And because God is perfect and holy, no SIN can stand in his stand in his presence. Therefore, sin has to be dealt with...or PAID for. IN the Scriptures, it says that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin (Hebrews 9:22). Therefore, Jesus Christ fulfilled the righteous requirement of God FOR US by laying his own life down in OUR place. He died for YOUR sin and mine and in exchange, WE get his perfect, righteous standing before the Father. THAT is GOOD NEWS! The Bible says that WHOEVER BELIEVES in Jesus will be saved...will not perish, but have everlasting life. Again, very good news!! It is the best gift and best news anyone could ever receive. That is the Gospel of Jesus Christ in a nutshell. Thank you for watching and I hope this encouraged you!
@@Sherlock245 It's common for people to do their best to hide their bad behaviors from being exposed. No matter how hard they try, truth will always prevail. They plan, almighty god also plans. Surely, the almighty god is the best of planners. He's the most wise, most just and most merciful. People can use their influence/power/money to get away from juridisction system, but they can't escaped from the justice of almighty god. If they repented to almighty god and ask for forgiveness from the victims, by the grace of almighty god, they shall be forgiven. But if they continue and ignoring the sign and warning from almighty god, then it will become a sickness in their heart. The more they challenge almighty god by intentionally committing the same evil, for sure the punishment will be severe till not only them can bear it but also their loved ones. We should always remember that there's nothing hidden from almighty god. Almighty God will show his justice so the victims won't be blamed and the wrong doers will be accountable for their actions.
Ravi was bringing me closer to Jesus so his message was precious. I was shocked by the dark side of Ravi but I follow Jesus not Ravi - it was a lesson again!
@Henryk Czemierzewski God is not our servant who always takes stones out of our way! We cant see as God does. Like a child that doesnt always understand his/her parents (for example going to the doctor and he might do some painful tests or injections. The child doenst understand why the father allows..
@Henryk Czemierzewski He is dead how much more of an end do you want? Also free will just because someone follows God doesn't mean they give up free will or do you want God to remove free will? Another thing is Satan is the ruler of this world those who do wicked always seem to be aided in doing so even in simple matters like lying and get away with things longer than they should because being worldly is easy and celebrated and if it hurts/stops people from following Christ it seems to be that much worse and go for that much longer. Jesus is the example not man everyone is a sinner except Jesus who was without sin took the weight of our sin and died giving us redemption if we choose to accept the gift and believing in Jesus and his sacrifice for you and me is the start of acceptance.
Ravi is not with us to defend his own honor and for this channel to attack the dead is pathetically low IMO. Is it not a kin to gossip which is spoken against in scripture. Regardless, keep focused on Christ and not gossip. We were not there....
@A S You should look into Islam with logic and facts so you can know it is a false idol is God complete lacking nothing all knowing all powerful? Has "Allah" felt death? Has "Allah" defeated death? Can "Allah" become a man? Can "Allah" have a child? Answer is no so "Allah" cannot be god because it is lacking it is not all knowing and is not all powerful. Jesus Christ, The God of the Bible has done all of this and more lacking nothing. So logically only Jesus is God and not the false idol of Islam.
Do you think a woman who was groomed disgraced and stripped of her job and ability to get a job and was humiliated in every way wants to hear you "cutesy Christian" Statements You have no compassion. I wonder if you are even a Christian. I was a groomed humiliated molested female and your statement offensive.
@@mugglescakesniffer3943 Why is his comment offensive to you? JESUS did say follow ME not follow people. And JESUS is supposed to be the center for us all. His statement does not excuse, justify, nor condone Mr. Zacharias' sexual misconduct. He isnt saying what he did was somehow the women's fault. He's saying that we are to *trust* and *follow* JESUS only, not man, no matter who that man is and claims to be. The truth is what sets people free, but the truth can be hard to hear and accept. The truth is that while he manipulated, seduced, and groomed these women, they made poor choices. Unless he forced them physically, those women still made choices. And while I understand that some of them where in financial need and extenuating circumstances, they still made the choice. Does that mean what he did was right or an example of JESUS? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Paul was able to say, Follow me as I have followed Christ. We are to be shining lights that others may see our goid works and glorify our Father which is in Heaven. Keep the Word in your heart that we might not sin against God. We are to be able to be depended upon for our faithfulness in leading others to Christ.
@@gladyspremo2322 Amen! Follow me as I follow CHRIST, if I don't follow CHRIST, then don't follow me because its not JESUS. My confidence is not supposed to be in men. No matter how well they operate and function in their gifts. No matter how articulate, eloquent, and intellectual they are. We are only supposed to be following JESUS, Who is the WORD. Abiding in HIM and HIS WORD abiding in us. If any person who claims JESUS as their LORD and SAVIOUR does not live by the WORD, which is walking in the LIGHT, he's a liar.
@@mugglescakesniffer3943 its not a cutesy comment. Its the truth. One's guru, hero, blah, blah, blah should be Christ. If you need examples, choose a dead one. I've walked in your shoes and healing will take time maybe a lifetime. As I get older I have learn put no one on a pedestal and to be my own guru.
Jesus wasn't there when Ravi committed those evil things to his victims, just saying. Jesus knew all along what was happening, but never tried to save Ravi's victims or stop Ravi from continuing his wrongdoings.
@@Ronin-lb5ij God has given all people, believers and non believers, free-will to make choices. If you are a believer, then you know what is required of you. He will let you walk in your sin because we are not robots or puppets, we can chose the narrow or the broad way.
Such self-contradictory. The Bible was written by men, and yet Christians still put unreasonable faith in the Bible and treat it as an infallible book, simply because the ancient men who wrote the Bible said so.
Very True, but wen they preach we do listen to wat they are saying,nd we blv they are chosen or tht was ther calling, every Church has a Pastor or ( Shepherd) as we think nd as i said we listen nd learn from them as the Bible says ( do not forsake the gathering of the saints) I’m not very clued up abt the word of God but the Pastor is ther to teach us more abt God,🙏🙏🙏
@Consciouschick4U I agree wholeheartedly. It takes tremendous grace each and every day and we CANNOT do it in our own strength! Being committed to prayer and staying in God’s Word is paramount when it comes to guarding our hearts and living out our faith.
@@RespondingtotheCall I agree! This is why this is so hard to process. I know Ravi was not ignorant to this fact. This is truly a very sad and complicated situation.
@@gracelovematter5240 To be aware of something doesnt mean that you have the spiritual power to perform it, that includes prayer and reading and understanding the WORD. The Gifts and callings of GOD are without repentance. That gift will operate if you are willing to use it. But the relationship is whats need not just the function. The functioning of that gift is nothing more than stumble without a close and personal relationship and fellowship with the Giver of that gift. This is why Scripture declares “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ I dont think its complicated at all. If ye through the SPIRIT do mortify the deeds of the flesh...and if you live by the flesh ye shall die. He obviously lived by the flesh and not the SPIRIT. But it is sad and heartbreaking though for his wife and daughters I believe.
As sad as Ravi's sinful fall from grace is, the fact that he would not confess his sin nor ask his accusers, his family, his ministry, all those to whom he spoke for forgiveness is most troubling.
@@mohammedraazi4943 are you kidding!!! I would never give anything to a false “prophet”. I love you sir but I do not subscribe to your theological ideas. I am sure you are a wonderful, kind, and compassionate person. Maybe you should try Christ? The example,e of Ravi falling is demonstrative of the real presence of satan, the devil, the evil one who rules over hell and the darkness.
According to the report he also took a male assistant with him as well. Also according to the report the masseuse that traveled with him had a room on a different floor than his room. Seems like he used that brain of his cunningly and craftly.
even a Godly man falls short of the glory of God. its our job as the church to help and bring our brothers and sisters up in God even the the Christian leaders
Truly sorrowful and hurtful. Tremendous letdown. Reminds me of king David’s fall and his cover up. Please, Keep your eyes on the Lord for his word remains true...”let God be true and every man be a liar.” ‘All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.’ Thank you father for you are proven right
I am glad The Psalms were not thrown out because King David was a murderer. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. Just imagine the attacks the enemies mounts against those that are greatly used by God! It does not in any way discount the grave sin committed but it does remind us who we are. I pray for healing for the victims. Even Jesus told us He did not trust mankind bc He knew what was in our hearts.
Yes pray for his family, they would likely have suffered coercive control, psychological manipulation and emotional abuse during his lifetime. They are expert Spiritual abusers twisting God's Word to do their will... Sssubtle.
pray for ravi as well no one's perfect. I'm sure u did some things in the dark u wouldn't want to come to the light as well. i know i do. that's why we need to pray for him(i know he passed) and the family
A year ago I heard while praying..these are the years Everything hidden will be revealed. Everything done in darkness will be brought into the light. Wasn't expecting this. .. It won't be the only one sadly.
Watch Prophet Brian Carne’s prophetic word for the year. He prophesied that 2021 was going to the “The Year or Scandal” and that God was getting ready to expose the long held corruption across all spheres and including ministry, hollywood, politics etc. And it will be scandal after scandal. And lo and behold it has happened and keeps happening across the board. From Ravi to the actor Armie Hammer and we’re only in February. In terms of the church in general there is no way this kind of behaviour happens alone. The people who were bystanders knew about it and let it happen must face consequences as well. And I terms of huge ministries like they there needs to be a stronger vetting process of ALL staff conduct and especially the lead pastor especially if he has the platform of a Ravi. But we also need more emphasis on praying for our leaders across the board. Pray for their hearts and their character to sustain on the platform they’ve been given. When two or more pray surely God answers imagine what the prayers of a whole community of believers across the globe can do.
@D Mc EVERYTHING!! Including Our hidden anything.. Correction is LOVE... I welcome it! It's a gift in my life I pray everyone will see it as so. Because it's freedom from the prison of our soul and allows us to walk in the SPIRIT.
@@7yearsonlymorepeople538 God abounds in mercy, He IS merciful which is the only reason He's delayed His return for so long. Look at Pharaohs warnings. When I've been rebuked by the Father I have known it - I believe God would have given RZ dreams and more. I have prayed with tears, fasting and a broken heart for my abusers I've only loved and "given more than I took" (quoted) yet only God knows if they revere Him enough to apologise what they have done to His children. We need radical acceptance that spiritual abuse is real, the enemy has infiltrated the church please research Narcissistic abuse. They are wired differently it's Cain & Able. I pray RZ did truly repent before his last breath, before his soul was weighed...
When I was a college student at UMich, Zacharias came to our school to give a public lecture. He was always someone I’d admired in the gospel as an apologist. I’m very saddened by these truths that have come to light. James 3 is a must for all who aspire to be leaders in the gospel
Are they truths though? We will never know the truth until we hear Ravi's side of the story. The Investigation should have been commenced before he died so that his side of the story could be heard and part of the record too. Thus investigation report is based on a one-sided story. It was not tested on trial in a court of law to give it such power of influence.
Me too. When my brother texted me yesterday morning I was at work, standing on a latter, I just felt so sick to my stomach. I slowly got down and just sat, just blown away.
I am only sad for the ones left behind who have to pick up the pieces RZ has left. I feel sadness for his victims but not for the man RZ, he knew exactly what he was doing and delighted in doing it. His actions have sealed his fate, Jesus warned us about how we should walk, the narrow way, the broad way leads to somewhere not very nice. Ravi like us all had free-will and he made his choice.
You’ve done your homework brother, thanks for sharing a Christian perspective not only from yourself but also RZIM and the victims. Great work man, I appreciate the way you handle the Word!
Thank you, brother, and I’m glad it encouraged you! Like many, I was hoping the report would have different but we have to share the truth-even when it’s uncomfortable.
@@RespondingtotheCall i agree. Your work on this is balanced, fair, and poignant. It is what is, true. But, the way you presented the report calmed many especially your encouragement to move forward for the victims, ravi's fam, rzim, the body of christ who knows ravi, and the fence seaters. Keep up the good work. You have godly wisdom brother
@@colorrun2425 I appreciate this so much and thank you for the encouragement! I’m so glad it resonated and helped serve those watching-that was my entire heart for sharing it. Appreciate you!!
@EarlBagot That is a great question my friend. One that I’ve asked as well. Unfortunately there WERE allegations against him in 2017, but the woman wasn’t believed and was even attacked for it. It destroyed her life and family. Ironically it is that very case that the investigation gave more weight to after all of these “new” allegations broke. Unfortunately I think we will hear even more evidence some out about it confirming it all. Ultimately it doesn’t matter when they came out. Yes, we would have definitely wanted to see him have an opportunity to defend himself. Yet he doesn’t need to because there is enough overwhelming evidence from multiple women in multiple countries that show it is true. Even RZIM itself shared as much. I wish it weren’t so. Even more so for these women. Thanks for watching and I hope this helped!
Absolutely, it would have been better if he was alive now so he can repent because of what happens next..... this is terrifying!!!! We must hold on to our salvation with fear and trembling..... Jesus Messiah!!!
I have never heard of this man, but it's really humbling to see wherein his organization admits that they were wrong. I don't normally hear anything like that in the church realm, let alone, those who are not necessarily religious people. All I can say is Wow!
Ravi's dead. so the ministry need to be transparent. otherwise the ministry also dead. if ravi's still alive the ministry will do anything to hide this fact. theyve done it so many years
This could have been stopped a long time ago. Considering how blatant and open his sin was, there is NO WAY his board didn't know what was going on at some level. Two witnesses were sufficient for an investigation, but in addition to MANY witnesses there was GLARING evidence that was ignored. Interesting that in everything this board has said so far, they haven't explained why in the face of such blatant sin and overwhelming evidence they did nothing.
THIS is why people demonize tye church. I hope everyone knows that. Stop repeating, "we all sin". It was said in one form or another in this video and do not see outrage for these women. Where is the outrage and where is the support for them. This is why people hate religion while they still love God. ❤️
@@haleyguthrie3113Amen. We have EVERYTHING we need in the way of Biblical authority to deal with predators in the Church; when there are two or more witnesses accusing a leader of something like this, it MUST be investigated. If the accusations are true, that leader MUST step down. This sends a message to those outside the Church that unlike the world, we care about women and will protect them.
@@GTX1123 100%. Even 1 accusation needs to be investigated. I also think it should be investigated by a non flock member. It's needs to be unbiased. I'm native american, my people already had already gone through hell with the US government, but missionaries and church schools in our past, broke my people thoroughly. We are already timid and non trusting due to that history, this is holding my people back, fear of the church is all consuming even though most of us are in fact Christians. We are decaying as a culture and the church seems to ignore or excuse these criminals time after time after time. To the point where now, I agree. We will now meet for studies like our ancestors did in the past. Unfortunately, it appears this is the ONLY way I know to protect my people because we are already killing eachother. We don't need an added threat. It's sad.
@@haleyguthrie3113 Wow. Thanks for sharing this. I believe that the Church just simply has not done enough to help native americans and to your point, in many cases done a lot more harm than good and the betrayal on the part of the U.S. govt towards many native american tribes was absolutely monstrous. What needs to happen is an organic movement within native american churches/ believers where spiritually mature leaders are raised up. It's not that non-native american Christian leaders can't help - they can, but culture and traditions need to be respected. This should be the case for ANY culture around the world as long as the traditions aren't anti-biblical. If they are, then there should still be sensitivity in dealing with any of those issues. Per accusations, the reason Paul says "two or three witnesses" is obvious, although I would agree that if the evidence is obvious (inappropriate emails etc.) then even one is enough. Per bringing in non flock members to help, I would agree in cases where the elders fail to adequately deal with accusations, but if you raise up strong mature elders they can remove a Pastor who is in sin. I've seen it happen both ways. I had a situation about 17 yrs ago where a Pastor who was a closet homosexual predator, tried to seduce a young man I was discipling at the time. This was a "cutting edge" large 2,000 member Charismatic church. The young man didn't give into this predator's seduction because he isn't a homosexual but it was devastating to him and as a result he went back into using drugs. I confronted the Pastor the best way I knew how without 2 or more witnesses but he denied doing anything wrong. 11 years after this incident me and a close friend of mine were launching a ministry in the same city area where this happened. Our apostolic oversight wanted us to connect to this Pastor's church. I vehemently refused so my friend and I got into a bit of a disagreement over it. When I saw we weren't getting anywhere I said "OK let's pray". I prayed that God would expose this Pastor for the charlatan that he is. Well guess what happened? I found out weeks later from someone on staff at the church that within ONE HOUR of me praying that prayer, a male staff member who was having an affair with this Pastor broke down in tears and confessed the sin they were engaged in. The other leaders were so weak and had been in denial for so long about this Pastor that a third party had to be called in to investigate the entire matter because the Pastor denied everything and the leaders were too weak to deal with it. After a full thorough investigation, the outside team investigating it recommended that all of the other leaders who allowed this should resign. Getting rid of the Pastor was more difficult but he was eventually forced out, even though he never repented.
@@GTX1123 I appreciate you saying this. I don't want anyone to feel like Natives are bitters or victims. We were...nut now we are not. Convincing natives to trust anyone outside of our people is hard to do though. We are humans, we sin, we raped and pillaged each other long before Settlers came here. Just as that is our past, US persecution (for the most part) is also in the past. We are Christians. My people did not worship animals like some other tribe, we just believed in respect for ALL life around us, to care for our fields, care for fish, care for our deer populations, and even care for our water source because they care.for us too. It's a circle of life. Some see it as a contraindication to God, but we don't. We didn't actually worship anything. Anyways.... But the one thing, that seems to be plagued with pride, violence, and subjugation of others remains to be the church. It feels worse, I think, because liberals and democrats don't give 2 shits about us. Republicans too. But the church has. They did help a lot of us, so to see this kind of crap time and time again hurts so much worse. My people and the US people both need healing. Just pray for us.
“Jesus Christ is the only person who is exactly who he says he is, and the only Savior, worthy of our ultimate trust and our ultimate worship” Thank u for this video, very well done
I'm deeply saddened by all this!! I had such respect for Ravi as he always seemed so together and intelligent. I will seek God in what I need to take away from this.God bless!
Such a shame. It really breaks my heart, yet also gives me some clarity in regards to my own heart. Sometimes I get caught up in the person delivering the message, instead I should be seeking Jesus in all things. Thank you Lord💜
Amen I believe the Lord is shaking out the church and those hiding behind the scenes. Everything done in darkness will come out into the light. The last days are here
It sure seems that way. Both RC and Protestant communions are being eviscerated. I'm under the impression that God is uprooting the church and overturning the soil. This is what God does, and out of the ruins will be restoration and renewal.
@@spoolsandbobbins As much as the situation might feel hopeless to some. Remember, we as a body have been here before. In many ways death and resurrection pervade history, along with pruning and refinement. Blessings
RZIM is Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. We believe in forgiveness, we believe in restitution, we believe we all sin, we believe no one's exempt, we believe all that, and it's true. But his name should not continue to be out there as an "international ministry". RZIM should either change its name, or just fold.
@roman While I agree we shouldn’t be surprised when men stumble, no one said they had their faith in a man. Anytime a brother in the faith stumbles and falls we are grieved as a family. Paul was upset in his letters when he heard of their groaning and sin. It pained him. Check your heart, brother.
Really? Nothing surprises me anymore, man's heart is deceitfully wicked and unless a person fully immerses themselves in the Lord, we are all capable of such sins. I hold no man in esteem, the only One that I look to is Christ.
I just remember how I listened to his many question and answer forums at colleges , tears come as I watch this because all I can think about is how he shared Christ’s love , Yes we all fail ... it’s hard to think of Ravi as being such a man but yet he’s just a man ... we are none without fault ... I loved his sermons on faith and just came to know Christ so much on many of the things I too had questions on ... We need to forgive and to know the Truths he shared ... right now I know we need to pray for his wife whom I’m sure is broken to pieces over this and his family 💔🙏🏾 May God also heal the lives of the woman who had spoken up and help them to forgive and come closer to the cross .
@@martincoons823 Along with so many others, I would love to believe that it is false reporting. However with phone records and actual transcripts of texts and pictures from multiple devices, it’s kind of hard to deny that it is indeed true. Again, I wish it were different for everyone’s sake, especially the women involved and especially for his family. Do you have other evidence of it being false besides what the former law enforcement officers and the investigators found?
Shattered to hear this just today..Ravi is someone I listen to to affirm my faith..its between him and God now but but our faith must remain stronger than ever.
IT IS ALL FALSE ALLEGATIONS. NOTICE THAT THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF "EVIDENCE" IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AND THE "WITNESSES" THEY CAME UP WITH DO NOT EXIST.
@@DrTiwade Ironic someone of Faith needs "Evidence" to prove something is True, but requires no Evidence of the existence of God and still believes regardless.
@@Zlist1994 Innocent until "proven" guilty. Yes, bring out all the evidence against a man of God and then we will believe you. Secondly, the evidence of the Creator is everywhere. Just look at the intricacy with which the human body is made... how the eye functions, how the brain functions, how and why the stars and planets are placed in such a way that they do not bang into each other, why is so much attention to detail given even to an amoeba .... the evidence for the Creator is everywhere. By the way, do you have any evidence that you came from monkeys or do you just "believe" it?
Over the last days I have watched numerous opinions on Ravi Zacharias scandal. I have over the years immensely enjoyed listening to Ravi. I loved his bright mind and brilliant communication skills. He was this kind of messenger of the gospel that did not make you cringe or feel embarrassed. I always regarded his teaching to be sound and Jesus focused. In the last years I did notice that he often mentioned the many days of travelling and ministry as a huge price to pay. I also did notice he would notice him speaking alot about his achivements. But there always will be stuff that does not look perfect. I know many compare this down fall with Lenz from Hillsong, but I would argue that this is much worse. Carl Lenz was a far cry from a worthy servant of the gospel. Like many of his American counterparts his flamboyant style and rich lifestyle made one ashamed to be associated with this kind of stage/celebrity spiritual lightweight preacher. Lenzes downfall seemed inevitably. Ravi seemed of a different more sober and worthy servant in the kingdom of God. This is why it is a real blow and so difficult for all to get their heads around. What was presented and what was really going on was so far apart and that is scary. One word comes to mind from 1 peter 4:7; the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? With all the other stuff going on in the world, we can only hope/pray that God will take control of His church again and that all the many lies, deception, cunning, manipulation and hypocrisy will be revealed and we all will come through as a church worthy of the name we carry. Let us all wherever pray and be diligent in our pursuit not for success, fame or even influence, but for obedience, humility and love
My faith is not shaken by this because I learned early on to place my faith in God...not man. God will NEVER fail you. He will NEVER disappoint you. Don’t be discouraged. Ravi was a fake but God is still real. God bless you my brothers and sisters in Christ.
@Beeloved936 well thank God, our God is not angry. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for the UNGODLY. If he could lay down he's life for the ungodly, surely he is able to forgive his child.
@wordskl The missing word is repentance. Scripture is very clear on this subject! King David was a righteous man. His sins were not that of a righteous man. What did God desire? A broken,contrite heart! ' I have sinned against you oh God' fell from his lips.
@wordskl Surely you've missed every reference to the wrath and anger of God. Read Genesis to Revelations. Then you'll see the true character of God! Judas, a discipline of Christ is the perfect illustration of those who say they know Christ. Find the verse Christ said, I never knew you. Who was he talking to? About? Do your own homework for truth!
I listened was blessed and edified by Ravi's teachings for years as I sat on my desk at work. Been retired for 3 years now and no longer heard him as much. Just 2 days ago I heard of his passing and this horrible scandal of sexual misconduct. To be honest I was shock and very saddened at the news. Another proof that we must "keep our eyes FIXED on Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" and also like Paul said: "I purpose to know anything among you save Jesus Christ and Him crucified" How does someone who is used so mightily by God fall into such degree of sin? I don't know but we must really pray for our leaders!!
This is very sad! I loved showing my friends who were not Christian and struggling with faith content by Ravi. Unfortunately, some of those same ones now discredit him and Christianity as a whole. Praying for the victims and I am encouraged by what you said about guarding our hearts.
We are all devastated just like you. But even after death, Ravi is still teaching us. Probably not what or how he would have liked, yet there are real messages for us all. After reflection, this is what I got from what he Ravi has done: 1. Sin does not discriminate: We all sin, not even those within the church highest seats are safe. You, me, Ravi, we are sinners. Let’s pray for those God has called to be the barers of His message. Pray for their protection, pray for their strength, pray for their ability to resist sin. And also pray these things for you and me. 2. Sin is destructive: what Ravi has done to those poor women, what he has done to his family and what he has done to us who listened to him, it hurt all of us. Some more than others, some can be repaired, some not. But I know it hurts God the most, yet he had to let it happen. It was Ravi’s choice. Ravi made attempts to hide his sin. When we do things in darkness, it hurts not just ourself, but those around us. Our sins have nailed Jesus to the cross, Ravi’s, mine, yours. But that’s where the sadness end. Thanks go to God for taking it upon His Son to redeem our sins. He will not hold our sins against us as long as we can repent, get on our knees and ask Jesus to take our failing upon Him. Pray for those who got hurt by Ravi and those that we hurt with our failings. Pray that we can be better each day. 3. The truth remains the truth. No matter what Ravi did, I believe what he said about Christianity and what he stood for is still the truth. If El Chapo confessed that God is the truth, then it’s still the truth, no matter who says it or even f he believed what he said. Just because Ravi could not live what he preached, it does not make what he taught untruthful. It just merely shows he is human and not to be put on a pedestal. He still preached the truth. That there is Christianity. If only we became perfect once we choose Jesus as our saviour. But that’s not how it works. That would not be a relationship. God wants a real relationship with us. Failings and all. 4. Christianity is different: what I find so strange about our faith and how the Lord operates, we just struggle to comprehend. The greatest figures in the bible were all massive sinners. Moses had big failings. He killed an Egyptian. Yet God chose him. He lost faith numerous times, got angry, yet, never did God turn on Moses. David: himself an adulterer, put someone on the frontline in battle to be able to marry his wife. Despicable. Look at Saul, Solomon, Joseph, Jacob, they were all sinners. Yet theses are Jesus lineage. These sinners were chosen by God to lead His nation, despite their failings. The apostles: Peter, look how many times Jesus rebuked him for doing wrong things, keeping the children away from Jesus, arguing who is the greatest apostle, Matthew 16:23 are very strong words Jesus used to rebuke Peter. Peter denied Jesus even after he was warned he will do so. What about Paul (Saul), the persecutor of Christians, blood on his hands. Not one single person in the bible had no failure, apart from Jesus. Yet, these are the ones God chose and so dearly loved. And that is why we are also called and loved, not because we are great, because we are sinners, we recognise our failings and we know God is our father and He has only love and compassion for us. Add Ravi to the list of sinners. Who in their right mind will use people like these? It goes against anything our society upholds. But, God does. That the paradox of our faith. We recognise what is good, yet we still fail to uphold these principles. Why should Ravi be any different. Pray that the Holy Spirit can guide us and lead us not into temptation. That the Holy Spit will walk with us, every day so that God willing, we can resist these temptation when they come. But also know we’ll fail, but that our failure can and will end in victory. Hopefully this can help explain to others why this sort of thing happens. Christianity is a life journey, ups and downs, failures and victories. That’s how we learn, that’s how we get stronger. That’s how we learn how to love our enemies. If we were perfect, how would we learn forgiveness? Christianity is not about be righteous. We cant be. We can only strive to be. Christianity is about love, redemption, forgiveness and having an intimate relationship with God, the creator of everything. It’s mind blowing that God even gives us a second glance. Yet He wants a relationship with you. He wants to know you in the good times and bad times. He just so hopes that we can find it in us to love Him. To seek Him. To care to spend time with Him. God bless and enjoy your journey with God, hopefully others will realise that what you have is very very special.
@@aeasthouse316 This is EXCELLENT. Thank you for taking the time to write this. I know it’s come out of a lot of the disappointment you have personally processed-and It is going to speak to a lot of people!
I believe its all lies. They are paid off big time by Ravi's enemies to turn people away from his message. As well, cowardly fabricated things on his phone when he is dead ! 🙄
The whole point of becoming a Christian is that we don’t have to live like hell anymore. It’s not “putting him on a pedestal” to expect him to be faithful to his wife the same way millions of men, many of them unsaved, are faithful to their wives. I think we’ll find out that the “good” of men like Ravi Zacharias never outweighs the damage they think they can control. I hope nobody tries to defend this guy (or any of the thousand like him) as a “man of God who made some horrible mistakes.”
There is no defending what Ravi has done. It’s despicable, it’s hurtful and destructive. I also hope nobody defends this behaviour. But I do believe he was a man who believed in God and yes he made horrible mistakes. But we all make horrible mistakes, me, you, we all do. None of it is right. Look at anyone in the bible (with exception of Jesus). Not one single person that did not sin. In fact, the most prominent people, were the worst sinners: Moses had big failings. He killed an Egyptian. Yet God chose him. He lost faith numerous times, got angry, yet, never did God turn on Moses. David: himself an adulterer, put someone on the frontline in battle to be able to marry his wife. Despicable. Look at Saul, Solomon, Joseph, Jacob, Daniël, they were all sinners. Yet theses are Jesus lineage. These sinners were chosen by God to lead His nation, despite their failings. To uphold Gods law. The apostles: Peter, look how many times Jesus rebuked him for doing wrong things, keeping the children away from Jesus, arguing who is the greatest apostle, Matthew 16:23 are very strong words Jesus used to rebuke Peter. Peter denied Jesus even after he was warned he will do so. What about Paul (Saul), the persecutor of Christians, blood on his hands. You can add me to this list, you can add Ravi to this list. Is any of this right? No. But that is what is so special about Christianity. If just 1 person was free of sin, then what was the point of Jesus? For all our failings (and that of Ravi), we should be condemned. BUT, this is where Jesus comes in. He came to be my, your and everyone else’s advocate and redeemer. If we confess and acknowledge our failures to Jesus, He will wipe clear our record. Unconditionally. True forgiveness. The choice is ours. I feel for those Ravi hurt. The way he has done it. I pray for them, that they can find the strength to go through it. Not to turn their backs on Jesus just because Ravi preached the gospel of Jesus. But that they will see he had sinned and ultimately can get to the point of forgiveness, just like the bible asked us to do. And to be honest to you, that’s asking a lot of them. As a man I’m trying to put myself in their shoes. But I just can’t. So I pray that the Holy Spirit will help them heel. That they can find through all of this the love of God and that their relationship will be stronger through this. But I also pray for Ravi’s soul, my God take pity on him, despite of his failings.
@@gillianstewart8442 For me I don’t believe there are rules to prayer. I have a personal relationship with God, and honestly consult and ask him whatever I feel the need to deal with Him. And if I so want to pray for Ravi after death, it’s up to God to decide what He wants to do with my prayer. You probably right that my prayer is too late and God’s decision has been made. No matter my prayer, God’s will comes above my own will. Still I pray what I want to pray. God knows my heart and intent. Who are we to say what happens to Ravi’s soul? We just don’t know what Ravi has sorted our with the Lord himself.
I am a wife. I cannot imagine what Ravi's wife is going through. I recall Mr. Zacharias telling how his wife was pregnant and about to have their child and he got called away for the ministry and she did not skip a beat, told him to go and do God's work. Ugh. How could he do this to her, to his family and to his God?? I wonder if she knew he had a problem. I have lots of questions I know I won't get answers. How do we trust our leaders? How de we explain God's power in our lives to non believers? Anyway. This situation is soo horrendous.
@Alexa77cp I understand those questions 💯. Some of the answers we’ll never know as far as motivations as to “why.” However, I’ve been through this before and a lot of what I shared in this video and the 1st video on Ravi (When Your Heroes Fall) are because of what God has walked me through. You WILL get through this and my prayer is that you see how truly powerful and purposeful our God is that He can use ANY instrument to reach us and change our lives. His truth remains true. His word stands. His character is still in tact. It is ALL about Him. Not a man, not a ministry, not a great apologetic. The way we share the power of God with unbelievers is the same as it is always been...by pointing them to Christ who loved them and gave Himself up for them!
@MyriamCaban I was as well. A lot of people were! And now we also see that a lot of people were hurt. Truly sad, and that’s why I wanted to share the fact that it’s the TRUTH of God’s Word that still stands forever.
Dont focus on the company but focus on the products. If tge products are usefull and good then it will benefit you. If not throw it away, coz a company has no guarantee if it is expired.
Agree completely. That was one of the sentiments I tried to convey. It’s within all of us (the heart of men/women) to do this. That’s the scary part-the enemy within. Then add to that the enemy “without”-the accuser and enemy of our SOULS-and it hopefully prods us to RUN as fast as we can to the Cross and to the throne of Grace to find help and mercy for our wandering hearts!
This is not a matter of grace - in fact it's the PERVERSION of grace - God commands that we EXPOSE the workers of darkness - NOT cover it up - I'm sickened by those of you who claim to be Godly, not having the courage to speak the truth or stand up for the innocent - 'Those who say the innocent are guilty and the guilty are innocent, BOTH are an ABO|MINATION to the Lord" - get your theology correct!
@@gracelatour3441 what I meant was I need god's grace to live a holy life....we all need....our efforts fall apart at some point....instead of idolizing people who preach, we should individually seek grace and be lead by spirit..I think you misunderstood what I said...Grace is not a license to sin, but helps us to be a better person and leads us towards righteous living.
“Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners-of whom I am the worst.” 1 Timothy 1:15 NIV
Always remember this scripture: 1 Corinthians 2:1-5 “And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.”
Adam, in your previous video I made comment that RZ was the wretch of Roman's 7: 24 ,25. The wretch thanks God for our lord Jesus Christ. In the investigation he is reported as praying to God with a woman , thanking God for the opportunity for them 2 b together. The female has little or none of the discernment necessary to know the blasphemy he is speaking. Our Father in heaven is a holy and righteous God. Praying like this in the company of the victim encourages the victim to believe that everything is ok and acceptable b4 God in their liaison. It is clearly obvious to me, that RZ never appreciated the holiness of God and treated him like a pagan entity, willing to partake and assist in such things. This is blasphemy against the holy Spirit who is our Father. I dont mind being wrong and admitting it. I am so very sorry for his dear wife. What a shocking revelation to receive in later life.. TY.
I much enjoyed Ravi's apologetics ministry and his keen logical points. I also was led to Christ by a fallen Calvsry Chapel mega church pastor that was caught in a similar scandal. I am reminded that the message they gave was and still is valid even though the messenger has stumbled. I am deeply saddened by both moral failures but am always reminded that I, too. am capable of such lest I get my eyes off Jesus.
I feel so embarrassed because I recommended to so many people Ravi’s teaching. I bought countless of his books as Christmas presents this past few years. I know that I was r to know, and I know that the teaching in the books was right, but I still feel embarrassment. I pray fir the victims and I hope that Ravi’s own soul wasn’t lost. I hope he had time to repent and be forgiven.
@Anthonywrobb, I understand how you feel but like I mentioned in the video, it’s the TRUTH that was preached-the Word of God-that stands, regardless of who shares it. You shared books and messages with people you cared about because you believe in the life-changing message of Jesus Christ contained within them. Am I right? If so, you never have to be ashamed or embarrassed sharing messages that may change someone’s eternity. That’s my opinion anyway 🙂.
There is no need for embarrassment. You acted in good faith and the message remains true. Since you have given away so many RZ books, you may be confronted with the scandal. It is the integrity with which you handle the scandal that will matter.
Thank you for helping us to deal with our thought processes as we deal with this issue on Ravi. We are one body in Christ and regardless of our location and distance we are all hurting. May God help us in our decision to move forward on serving Him no matter what .
@@isobelhudson3108 so if a believer dies with unconfessed sin they lose their salvation? I always was taught that all of our condemnation from sin, past, present and future was covered by the blood of Jesus Christ and never to be remembered by him . Studying the grace of Christ is a wonderful way to grow in gratitude for his amazing, unspeakable unmerited gift.
@@gregwood7597 yes I'm pretty sure everyone that dies has some sort of unconfessed sin . If our salvation was based on confessing every single sin we have committed past., present , and future I'm afraid there wouldn't be too many people in heaven
@@gregwood7597 it is not that it was an uncofessed sin. It was that he sinned deliberately and hid it. He fell into apostasy. Maybe you don't believe that because you're a calvinist idk.
Please pray for his wounded wife to get the healing she needs. To her it must seem that her whole marriage was a lie. Finally, JUDGE NOT THAT YOU BE NOT JUDGED.
We are to call evil ,evil. This is not judgement it's TRUTH! He blasphemed our precious God, deceived and abused many. He was in sin from the lies of his education as well. The judgement manipulation is misused most of the time. Many scriptures tell us to turn from those that continue to sin and not change etc.We are to speak out about the deceivers. I will always defend God's precious word and Jesus's life.
The Savior warned us to be aware of wolves in sheep's clothing... There are always underlying feelings which I'm sure she had that the marriage her husband's life was a lie.. I had an uncle that was a molester of young women and I'm sure that his wife knew it that their life was a lie but they simply do not know what to do...
“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” “Those without sin cast the first stone “ As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;.. God is judge. Only God Knows The Heart. Repent and thou shall be saved.. ❤️
We can and should be charitable and forgiving with each other. But that doesn't mean we ,or institutions cannot forfeit the right to be in positions of leadership.
To who much is given,much is required.He was presumptuous and evil.He was a charmer,deceiver and liar.The God of this world was his God not the God of Righteousness.
I don't think people understand how difficult it is to battle lust, especially when you have power and wisdom. It is so sad to help and hurt at the same time. My prayers to the victims, I'm very sorry that has happened to you all...
There definitely aren’t enough believers that recognize this. Where some may be able to control their flesh from this aspect, there may be other areas that they struggle with, but aren’t as frequently convicted on those issues, because lust is often the primary focus. Things such as pride/selfishness(often lovers of self)/hatred/foolishness/etc. often are less emphasized. Personally I feel as though I’ve grown the closest I have in my relationship with God over the past 3 years, yet the one area I too always struggle with is lust, while all of those other things I’ve mentioned have never been that big of issues for me, since I’ve tried to adopt and practice a Spirit of meekness from a young age. I see many pastors that are quick to condemn many other sins, yet they are clearly narcissistic themselves and are unable to correct their own theology (often from other theologians that have taken scripture out of context) they preach, when confronted about it (I was a PK most of my life, so this comes from years of personal observation). Pastors often overlook what Paul writes in Romans too. “We know that the Law is spiritual, but I am a creature of the flesh [worldly, self-reliant-carnal and unspiritual], sold into slavery to sin [and serving under its control]. For I do not understand my own actions [I am baffled and bewildered by them]. I do not practice what I want to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate [and yielding to my human nature, my worldliness-my sinful capacity]. Now if I habitually do what I do not want to do, [that means] I agree with the Law, confessing that it is good (morally excellent). So now [if that is the case, then] it is no longer I who do it [the disobedient thing which I despise], but the sin [nature] which lives in me. For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh [my human nature, my worldliness-my sinful capacity]. For the willingness [to do good] is present in me, but the doing of good is not. For the good that I want to do, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want to do, I am no longer the one doing it [that is, it is not me that acts], but the sin [nature] which lives in me.” Romans 7:14-20 AMP www.bible.com/1588/rom.7.14-20.amp Also brother, it’s important to note the difference from guilt and conviction , since it is often taught as one and the same. The Holy Spirit convicts, while the enemy uses guilt to distract us from spiritual growth, and making us question our own worth. Guilt is a form of manipulation, manipulation being a form of witchcraft (something I’ve learned from Derek Prince). The Holy Spirit doesn’t manipulate us, because it’s a violation of free will, which was created by God, and people have to choose in accordance with that free will to serve since he won’t violate what he’s created. Hadn’t learned this until more recently, hopefully it helps you in your walk as well. I’m still personally trying to fight the same battle, but if we fall, all we can do is get back up and do our best to try again. “If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just [true to His own nature and promises], and will forgive our sins and cleanse us continually from all unrighteousness [our wrongdoing, everything not in conformity with His will and purpose]. If we say that we have not sinned [refusing to admit acts of sin], we make Him [out to be] a liar [by contradicting Him] and His word is not in us.” 1 John 1:9-10 AMP www.bible.com/1588/1jn.1.9-10.amp Hope this helps brother. Will pray for you to battle the same issue as I continue to fight.
So so grateful for the cross MERCY AND GRACE HAVING BEEN A VICTIM I AM SPECIALLY THANKFUL THAT IN THE TRUTH WITH PROCESS AND FORGIVENESS WE DO BECOME VICTORIOUS OVERCOMERS
Pray for Ravi's wife and the women who were wrongfully affected. We can't change what has already been done, but we can change how we respond to the survivors. God will judge.
Thank you sir for this information. My prayers go out to all the victims, and to keep my trust in Christ alone, only in him do I put my all. "Jesus Saves"
I’m not a RZ fan, but I did appreciate his passion and theology. As a Catholic, I can relate to folks who followed Ravi’s teachings, because many in the Church have failed. Adam, your points are good, it’s the Word that lives forever, and to that, we must strive to persevere. The ones who persevere to the end are saved. Let it sink in...
Yesterday the holy spirit said to me "No man is too far from the ground" I asked the Lord what He meant. He said "No man is too far from the earth that he was made from....(the earth or ground being 'flesh') he will never be able to elevate himself high enough so as not to fall to the ground.
You ultimately gladdens my heart after much crying. Thank you for the greater understanding through His WORD. You said it spot on....Ravi Zacharias was only a messenger and if he preached the truth I will receive for God is the judge. We have all learned from Him. Blessings on your great work! From South Africa
OH MY GOODNESS! I used to listen to his lectures and admired him so much. I remember when he spoke about the attempted raping of babies that he witnessed and how demonic the men were. This is so sad. He always appeared to be a calm highly rational, compassionate man that anyone could emulate. Oh, how sad. I'll pray for all who have been hurt in any way by him and other 'leaders' out there. We have a way of looking for ppl we can follow and sometimes wind up making them an idol in a sense. I think it's easy for us to do because we can see them, hear them, and touch them in a way that seems easier than seeing, hearing and touching God. 'There but for The Grace Of God go I.'
Amen Brother. We put our faith and hope of Christ alone. It is by grace that we are saved. It is not for us to judge and condemn because we ourselves are just as sinful. God is the final judge. The world may pass away, but God's Word will never pass away. God is the one that brings truth to light. He is our ultimate comforter and counselor.
@DebraH Thank you for this! Honestly. It’s such wise advice and I agree completely. I almost stopped reading it myself. I can’t imagine how it would trigger someone with abuse in their history. Grateful for you!
Thank you for reminding us that there are many faithful Christians who have walked faithfully with the Lord. That the most important thing is to abide in Jesus Christ. Jesus says 'without me you can do nothing'.
@@samsingh6643 I think Jesus did save Ravi as He save all believers who repent. All believers sin. No one is without sin. It is Satan who uses our guilt against us.
@@bantumwt -Ofcourse we all sin. He did more then sin, he was a pervert. He represented Jesus on earh. Apologetics have been dealt a major , blow. The Apologetic ministery is build on lies and Ravi was a leading , liar. Jesus cannot save anyone. Truth shall set you free.
@@samsingh6643 "Jesus cannot save anyone?" Jesus is the only one who can save. And perversion is a sin. Did Ravi repent? I hope so. If not, ... . Ravi actions are inexcusable, if they are true and it looks like they are. However, I do question why all of this didn't surface before his death. Something is definitely amiss here. And I always am skeptical of anything that originates from liberal or leftist media.
Yes even though there's lots of churches out there with a little bit of false teaching, they still bring people to Jesus....although it's a sad thing for new Christians to be sucked into false teaching
Ironically, I’d only just been introduced to Ravi and his ministry via TH-cam a month or two before this scandal broke. I’m glad they’ve made steps to deal with the issues directly, and pray for all who have been injured-especially that they don’t turn from our Heavenly Father as a result.
Hard for me to digest at the moment..but surely will overcome this news by forgiving his family with God's help and move on..and to learn from this incident and to trust Jesus more than anyone else, as He is the One and Only True God.
@@mohammedraazi4943 Time for you to debate the Christian Prince live on TH-cam if you dare. Your prophet and his book is wrong. Please check out CP, he debates muslims almost every day and they leave Islam for good.
Some question remains: Why did the board only wake up to their responsibility after Ravi's demise? Are massage therapists not supposed to be professional in their conduct? Why must we believe the story of base women who condescended so low to the demands of an old man, or were they not paid well? Finally, why do Americans use sex stories to bring down successful people whereas their society is sex crazy? Whatever anyone says, the legacy of Zecharias lives on.
I saw your post yesterday about Margie and I thought it was so good, I thought I could trust you to walk through this awful situation. I finally read, I cried, I prayed, for ALL. Thank you so much young man.
This goes for all of us Brothers and Sisters in Christ God is exposing everything in the church that is unlike him so if you feel like you're out from underneath his covering your better repent and turn back and pray because I'm sure you don't want to be the one on that chopping block to be exposed to the world
I've had many emotions since I first learned of this. Right now, all I have is anger for Ravi. He was a fraud, and I let him fool me. The signs were there, I just overlooked them.
I feel relieved that I am human when I see spiritual giants in this way, but what he did is on a level that most people never reach in their sin. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, but we use our leaders to help us, to challenge us, to inspire us and any inspiration he gave is gone now and that is sad. I love that Billy Graham though not perfect had no such scandal.
@Dennis Yen He sure compromised sound doctrine...If he speaks not to the Law and tothe testimony there is no light in him,false teachers are signs of the end and they are in abundance.God has only one true church.
Adam thank you for managing this heartbreaking report with wisdom the grace of God and in kindness to all that are involved. It is truly sad. I will always remember his ability to defend the gospel.
Seeing as RZIM has done all of this work on their own; investigation, apology, et. al. I question the motives of this man who is making all of these videos. I see NO scripture that says anything to the effect of "If your brother or sister sins, you who are not at all involved with any aspect of the matter, go and point out their fault, just between you and your 3.49K subscribers, to build your channel on TH-cam. If people listen to you, you have won them over as subscribers to your channel. Which, if your channel grows large enough, you can earn tons of cash $$$. I'm talking about them Benjamin's bro." BTW... Be sure to use consumer-grade, hobbyist level equipment, purchased on a discount website - which the combined purchase amount is far less than one professional-level camera body alone.. While attempting to deceive people into thinking you are some sort of involved professional, while you drone on and on about things people could easily find on their own. Things officially released by those who are, in fact deeply involved AND following correct scriptural protocols for this sort of tragic failing of an otherwise great man." There is NO call from God to do this. The scriptures did NOT call you to do this. #Matthew18:15ExposesYouDude, #Galatians6:1compels, #Romans2:1condemns
This situation is very sobering for me. We all have a demon we battle daily. As you mentioned, we have no idea what type temptations Ravi faced. But I think his consistent and faithful teaching speaks to how he wrestled with God and the enemy. I’m saddened for his family, followers, and victims. May they all find peace and healing. As for me, a pastor, I’m praying for my strength in Christ Jesus. It’s not easy. But it’s possible to do well and please the Father.
Good grief, as a pastor, you had better shape up! "We all have temptations, we all wrestle" What a pathetic little blanket statement.. Right but we don't act like predators to do again and again and again for a lifetime!
Glad that Rzim finally came forth to do right although it is a little late in the day. For so many years, this Weed had been shielded and allowed to flourish as a Wheat. What a Sickening Deceiver. For me, I shall choose not to feed myself from this tainted 'vessel' ever. I am thankful that my Father himself provide the Holy Spirit to restore, teach, lead and empower the faithful as we journey to Eternity. May healing starts to flow from the Almighty to all who have been hurt one way or another.
Processing - the frustration of not being able to tell Ravi exactly what I thing of him. Frustration of churches making the same mistakes over and over again. Querying whether the RIGHT people are candidating or being accepted into the ministry and what it means when you build "your own" ministry and become your own CEO. Thin-skinned, highly strung, lofty people are accepted as spiritual leaders - with no shepherds heart. I thought that pastors were supposed to be caring people, compassionate, humble, teachable and correctable individuals. More needs to be done to stop the likes of Ravi garnering such power. Until the church addresses this, churches will continue to be unsafe places for some children and some vulnerable adults.
Wow I had no idea that this had been going on. I've been someone who considered Ravi to be the world's voice for Jesus in this shattered visage in Christendom... But again, was I following Ravi, or WHO he was drawing me toward.... The MESSAGE, and not the messenger.... Lord help us.. the wind has been taken out of me right now, but Ravi was just a man and not diety... Knowing that Ravi had weaknesses like the rest of the planet only reveals MORE that Jesus needs to intervene in ALL our lives. I pray for the hearts of those that he was interacting with in secret, that they have not lost their faith as a result.... 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I will still Listen to Ravi. He still holds wisdom. Very great wisdom. The wisest man on earth was Solomon. He gave us wisdom in proverbs...warning us about women. But women were his greatest weakness. Pls...Jesus is our only template. Ravi, as we can all see, was after all a man. And because the Gift of God is without repentance, even if Ravi were still alive, he still would have spoken the truth of God's word as that's was the Gift ofGod to him! Let's always remember Paul's words... "follow me as I follow Christ!". Christ is our final authority. God bless us all and may he keep us faithful till the end in Jesus name, amen.
God said cursed is the person who puts their trust in the flesh. Are you feeling let down because your foundation was in Ravi even Ravi said put your trust in God throughhis son Jesus Christ alone whether these allegations are true or not we should not what time this and this is a time of when the enemy is allowed to sift your faith whether your trust and belief was in the gospel or on the man Ravi. I have no doubt that Ravis message was inspired by the holy spirit I have seen a few to know it was biblical but a the end we are all sinners whether we are leaders which it says are held to higher standard. God bless Ravi who is now in heaven with Jesus and our heavenly father free from sin and death. Amen
Who can we trust but God. Yes God's message transcends the message. Jesus told his people during His time on earth to listen to the scribes and Pharisees but not to do what they do. SO YOU SHOULD PRAY FOR YOUR SHEPHERDS, PASTORS, LEADERS. Never depend on man let your focus be on God
So heart breaking that how he lived his double life, he betrayed himself his family and thousands and thousands of people around the world. But our trust is not in human because human can make mistakes and do evil things, our trust is in Lord Jesus Christ, who was perfect sinless son of God. Keeping his family and his victims in my prayers . First time on your channel and you owned my subscription. Thank you for sharing, and God bless. Thank you for sharing 🙏
@JamalKhan I agree with ALL of the above! I’m honored you would consider subscribing and being on the journey together. Thanks and may God bless you too!
I think the difference with RZ is that his sinfulness was willing and calculated. He chose his victims and groomed them over weeks and months. This is the sign of a devious heart. We are clothed in sinful flesh but God has given us free-will and self-control, we make choices for good or for evil and if we are truly born-again then God will convict us of our sins and help us to overcome them, not wallow in them.
"If Ravi couldn't do it, how can I?" A lifestyle of sin is far different from a struggle with sin. It's not that Ravi couldn't do it, it's more like he relished in doing it. From what I see, Ravi has taught us one final and most important thing: that we need to put the fear and trembling of Philippians 2 back in our walk because if Ravi could be deceived and led astray, so can we. We need to be more vigilant than ever.
Jesus said himself to Peter not 7 times but 7 × 77 We must forgive one another, we all fall short no one's perfect. Think God for the free gift of repentance and Jesus Christ dying for each and everyone of us for our sins 🙏 We should pray for all people to stay true to the word of God.
If you judge men, God will also judge as well.. Yes I feel Sad, Yes it's not ok.. Still Ravi was a MEN , but can't talk about is sin.. GOD WILL BE THE JUDGE. Bless all the victim, Bless people of God have love in your heart.
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On February 12th, RZIM officially released the (EXPLICIT) FINAL REPORT about Ravi Zacharias. It's NOT pretty. It's a sad day. For the Victims who weren’t believed. For RZIM. For the Church. Nobody wins here. But there IS a way forward! Hope this encourages you!!
Questions why wasnt this uncovered much earlier?? The evidences is bias it's just one side reported.
@@Sherlock245 Allegations were made in 2017 and then more allegations came out last year around May. The investigators gave an interim report in December 2020 and the full/final report came out this week.
Do u think they should change the name of RZIM? BTW, u've mentioned gospel of Jesus Christ. Does it exist? I knew gospel Matthew, Mark, Luke, John but never come across gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@ahmadfuad3910 I'm not sure what they will do with the name, but I think it would probably be for the best at this point. Do you agree? As far as the Gospel of Jesus Christ...you actually HAVE come across that if you know the other 4 gospels :-). I'm not trying to be cute with my words either. I mean that genuinely. The very definition of the word "gospel" is "good news." It occurs over 90 times in the New Testament and refers to the "good news of Jesus Christ." So when Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John share their GOSPEL, they are sharing about the reality of the 2nd person of the Godhead born of a virgin who lived a perfect, sinless life in order to lay that life down as a perfect sacrifice for the sin of mankind. That's what makes is GOOD news! The bad news is that every one of us has SIN. And because God is perfect and holy, no SIN can stand in his stand in his presence. Therefore, sin has to be dealt with...or PAID for. IN the Scriptures, it says that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin (Hebrews 9:22). Therefore, Jesus Christ fulfilled the righteous requirement of God FOR US by laying his own life down in OUR place. He died for YOUR sin and mine and in exchange, WE get his perfect, righteous standing before the Father. THAT is GOOD NEWS! The Bible says that WHOEVER BELIEVES in Jesus will be saved...will not perish, but have everlasting life. Again, very good news!! It is the best gift and best news anyone could ever receive. That is the Gospel of Jesus Christ in a nutshell. Thank you for watching and I hope this encouraged you!
@@Sherlock245 It's common for people to do their best to hide their bad behaviors from being exposed. No matter how hard they try, truth will always prevail. They plan, almighty god also plans. Surely, the almighty god is the best of planners. He's the most wise, most just and most merciful. People can use their influence/power/money to get away from juridisction system, but they can't escaped from the justice of almighty god. If they repented to almighty god and ask for forgiveness from the victims, by the grace of almighty god, they shall be forgiven. But if they continue and ignoring the sign and warning from almighty god, then it will become a sickness in their heart. The more they challenge almighty god by intentionally committing the same evil, for sure the punishment will be severe till not only them can bear it but also their loved ones. We should always remember that there's nothing hidden from almighty god. Almighty God will show his justice so the victims won't be blamed and the wrong doers will be accountable for their actions.
Ravi was bringing me closer to Jesus so his message was precious. I was shocked by the dark side of Ravi but I follow Jesus not Ravi - it was a lesson again!
@Henryk Czemierzewski God is not our servant who always takes stones out of our way! We cant see as God does. Like a child that doesnt always understand his/her parents (for example going to the doctor and he might do some painful tests or injections. The child doenst understand why the father allows..
Me as well. I loved Ravi. What did he do?
@Henryk Czemierzewski He is dead how much more of an end do you want? Also free will just because someone follows God doesn't mean they give up free will or do you want God to remove free will? Another thing is Satan is the ruler of this world those who do wicked always seem to be aided in doing so even in simple matters like lying and get away with things longer than they should because being worldly is easy and celebrated and if it hurts/stops people from following Christ it seems to be that much worse and go for that much longer.
Jesus is the example not man everyone is a sinner except Jesus who was without sin took the weight of our sin and died giving us redemption if we choose to accept the gift and believing in Jesus and his sacrifice for you and me is the start of acceptance.
Ravi is not with us to defend his own honor and for this channel to attack the dead is pathetically low IMO. Is it not a kin to gossip which is spoken against in scripture. Regardless, keep focused on Christ and not gossip. We were not there....
@A S You should look into Islam with logic and facts so you can know it is a false idol is God complete lacking nothing all knowing all powerful? Has "Allah" felt death? Has "Allah" defeated death? Can "Allah" become a man? Can "Allah" have a child? Answer is no so "Allah" cannot be god because it is lacking it is not all knowing and is not all powerful.
Jesus Christ, The God of the Bible has done all of this and more lacking nothing.
So logically only Jesus is God and not the false idol of Islam.
Jesus said, "Follow Me", He did not say "Follow my people".
Jesus Be The Center 🔥🔥
Do you think a woman who was groomed disgraced and stripped of her job and ability to get a job and was humiliated in every way wants to hear you "cutesy Christian" Statements You have no compassion. I wonder if you are even a Christian. I was a groomed humiliated molested female and your statement offensive.
@@mugglescakesniffer3943
Why is his comment offensive to you?
JESUS did say follow ME not follow people.
And JESUS is supposed to be the center for us all.
His statement does not excuse, justify, nor condone Mr. Zacharias' sexual misconduct.
He isnt saying what he did was somehow the women's fault.
He's saying that we are to *trust* and *follow* JESUS only, not man, no matter who that man is and claims to be.
The truth is what sets people free, but the truth can be hard to hear and accept.
The truth is that while he manipulated, seduced, and groomed these women, they made poor choices. Unless he forced them physically, those women still made choices.
And while I understand that some of them where in financial need and extenuating circumstances, they still made the choice. Does that mean what he did was right or an example of JESUS? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Paul was able to say, Follow me as I have followed Christ. We are to be shining lights that others may see our goid works and glorify our Father which is in Heaven. Keep the Word in your heart that we might not sin against God. We are to be able to be depended upon for our faithfulness in leading others to Christ.
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Amen! Follow me as I follow CHRIST, if I don't follow CHRIST, then don't follow me because its not JESUS.
My confidence is not supposed to be in men. No matter how well they operate and function in their gifts. No matter how articulate, eloquent, and intellectual they are.
We are only supposed to be following JESUS, Who is the WORD.
Abiding in HIM and HIS WORD abiding in us.
If any person who claims JESUS as their LORD and SAVIOUR does not live by the WORD, which is walking in the LIGHT, he's a liar.
@@mugglescakesniffer3943 its not a cutesy comment. Its the truth. One's guru, hero, blah, blah, blah should be Christ. If you need examples, choose a dead one. I've walked in your shoes and healing will take time maybe a lifetime. As I get older I have learn put no one on a pedestal and to be my own guru.
This a wake-up call to all believers who are holding on to secret sins. God is calling His people to shake them off forever right now!!!
@Are You Amen!
Jesus wasn't there when Ravi committed those evil things to his victims, just saying. Jesus knew all along what was happening, but never tried to save Ravi's victims or stop Ravi from continuing his wrongdoings.
How do you know?
@@Ronin-lb5ij God has given all people, believers and non believers, free-will to make choices. If you are a believer, then you know what is required of you. He will let you walk in your sin because we are not robots or puppets, we can chose the narrow or the broad way.
Are you. Amen !
Never put your faith in A MAN or A WOMAN.
And BE LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.
That is a human cannot be god . Like people claiming jesus was a god with a penis. Lol
Such self-contradictory.
The Bible was written by men, and yet Christians still put unreasonable faith in the Bible and treat it as an infallible book, simply because the ancient men who wrote the Bible said so.
@@spoolsandbobbins How does one confirm whether a spirit is holy or not?
Very True, but wen they preach we do listen to wat they are saying,nd we blv they are chosen or tht was ther calling, every Church has a Pastor or ( Shepherd) as we think nd as i said we listen nd learn from them as the Bible says ( do not forsake the gathering of the saints) I’m not very clued up abt the word of God but the Pastor is ther to teach us more abt God,🙏🙏🙏
The best way to preach the gospel is to LIVE the gospel. This is so important.
@Consciouschick4U I agree wholeheartedly. It takes tremendous grace each and every day and we CANNOT do it in our own strength! Being committed to prayer and staying in God’s Word is paramount when it comes to guarding our hearts and living out our faith.
@@RespondingtotheCall I agree! This is why this is so hard to process. I know Ravi was not ignorant to this fact. This is truly a very sad and complicated situation.
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@@gracelovematter5240
To be aware of something doesnt mean that you have the spiritual power to perform it, that includes prayer and reading and understanding the WORD. The Gifts and callings of GOD are without repentance. That gift will operate if you are willing to use it. But the relationship is whats need not just the function. The functioning of that gift is nothing more than stumble without a close and personal relationship and fellowship with the Giver of that gift.
This is why Scripture declares
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
I dont think its complicated at all. If ye through the SPIRIT do mortify the deeds of the flesh...and if you live by the flesh ye shall die.
He obviously lived by the flesh and not the SPIRIT.
But it is sad and heartbreaking though for his wife and daughters I believe.
@@brendalove5981 i completely 100% agree with you! Ravi was clearly lacking relationship.
so sorry that Ravi fell. so glad that the org is so transparent, unlike other church groups who've concealed & denied such sins
Agree!
but they did conceal it.
@@ralphdiazrnm True
Humility in admitting they were wrong. God forgives the humble
@@FaithfulandTrue949
Or maybe they're worried about losing vast revenues?
As sad as Ravi's sinful fall from grace is, the fact that he would not confess his sin nor ask his accusers, his family, his ministry, all those to whom he spoke for forgiveness is most troubling.
ok. how do you know he fell from grace? are YOU God`s spokesman?
Your still a fool huh?
pride always goes before a fall
Yeah, he's burning 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
“Be sure your SIN will find you Out”
Numbers 32:23
Time to become a Muslim and submit yourself to allah and worship only one creator allah
@@mohammedraazi4943 are you kidding!!! I would never give anything to a false “prophet”. I love you sir but I do not subscribe to your theological ideas. I am sure you are a wonderful, kind, and compassionate person. Maybe you should try Christ? The example,e of Ravi falling is demonstrative of the real presence of satan, the devil, the evil one who rules over hell and the darkness.
@@leswehman11
Christ worshipped his lord , so worship that lord
A man going to Thailand alone for a massage...might as well hold up a neon sign. No one questioned this?
He even took a female masseur with him on his trips 🙄
According to the report he also took a male assistant with him as well. Also according to the report the masseuse that traveled with him had a room on a different floor than his room. Seems like he used that brain of his cunningly and craftly.
@@brendalove5981 all planned and orchestrated, these are sadly the tactics of a predator.
@@brendalove5981 he did cuz he had a very cunning spirit at work in him a seducing evil spirit
@@gerrydixon619 he did so well of covering his tracts , those tactics were characters of Jezebel
C'mon godly men! We need to start being more accountable to the faith. Iron sharpens iron!
Amen.
even a Godly man falls short of the glory of God. its our job as the church to help and bring our brothers and sisters up in God even the the Christian leaders
I agree we all need an accountability partner!
Time to become a Muslim and submit yourself to allah and worship only one creator allah
Time to become a Muslim and submit yourself to allah and worship only one creator allah
Truly sorrowful and hurtful. Tremendous letdown. Reminds me of king David’s fall and his cover up. Please, Keep your eyes on the Lord for his word remains true...”let God be true and every man be a liar.” ‘All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.’ Thank you father for you are proven right
And God still used David after his confession & repentance. He was truly repentant & he was called “a man after God’s own heart”.
David sent the husband to the front line to be taken out. David and Robi are in heaven and thats what matters. A sin is terrible but always forgiven
I am glad The Psalms were not thrown out because King David was a murderer. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. Just imagine the attacks the enemies mounts against those that are greatly used by God! It does not in any way discount the grave sin committed but it does remind us who we are. I pray for healing for the victims. Even Jesus told us He did not trust mankind bc He knew what was in our hearts.
@@gravityworks777 David was God's number 1 man in my humble opinion. He could do no wrong
Heartbroken, can’t believe it! Pray for his wife and children.😪😪🙏🙏
That’s exactly what we’re called to do. And the woman and victims as well.
Yes pray for his family, they would likely have suffered coercive control, psychological manipulation and emotional abuse during his lifetime. They are expert Spiritual abusers twisting God's Word to do their will... Sssubtle.
And how about those victims? Let’s not forget them.
@@Rogue-Drone you are right, so much pain all around!!!
pray for ravi as well no one's perfect. I'm sure u did some things in the dark u wouldn't want to come to the light as well. i know i do. that's why we need to pray for him(i know he passed) and the family
A year ago I heard while praying..these are the years Everything hidden will be revealed. Everything done in darkness will be brought into the light. Wasn't expecting this. .. It won't be the only one sadly.
Watch Prophet Brian Carne’s prophetic word for the year. He prophesied that 2021 was going to the “The Year or Scandal” and that God was getting ready to expose the long held corruption across all spheres and including ministry, hollywood, politics etc. And it will be scandal after scandal. And lo and behold it has happened and keeps happening across the board. From Ravi to the actor Armie Hammer and we’re only in February. In terms of the church in general there is no way this kind of behaviour happens alone. The people who were bystanders knew about it and let it happen must face consequences as well. And I terms of huge ministries like they there needs to be a stronger vetting process of ALL staff conduct and especially the lead pastor especially if he has the platform of a Ravi. But we also need more emphasis on praying for our leaders across the board. Pray for their hearts and their character to sustain on the platform they’ve been given. When two or more pray surely God answers imagine what the prayers of a whole community of believers across the globe can do.
@D Mc EVERYTHING!! Including Our hidden anything.. Correction is LOVE... I welcome it! It's a gift in my life I pray everyone will see it as so.
Because it's freedom from the prison of our soul and allows us to walk in the SPIRIT.
Yeah The Holy Spirit asked me to pray about that and corruption
When did you starting hearing voices?
@@7yearsonlymorepeople538 God abounds in mercy, He IS merciful which is the only reason He's delayed His return for so long. Look at Pharaohs warnings. When I've been rebuked by the Father I have known it - I believe God would have given RZ dreams and more. I have prayed with tears, fasting and a broken heart for my abusers I've only loved and "given more than I took" (quoted) yet only God knows if they revere Him enough to apologise what they have done to His children.
We need radical acceptance that spiritual abuse is real, the enemy has infiltrated the church please research Narcissistic abuse. They are wired differently it's Cain & Able. I pray RZ did truly repent before his last breath, before his soul was weighed...
The greatest mistake that we Christians makes is, we follow preachers. As for me, I believe in the beautiful messages that Ravi delivered.
@Dennis Yen No he didn’t.
The preacher is not the message.
The bigger mistake is to follow "savior" presidents.
He without sin should cast the first stone. Prayers for the victims and the ministry...
We must ask God for more Grace. He must become greater and we become less. God bless you
There’s 1,000’s of pastors preaching from the pulpit who aren’t saved.
When I was a college student at UMich, Zacharias came to our school to give a public lecture. He was always someone I’d admired in the gospel as an apologist. I’m very saddened by these truths that have come to light. James 3 is a must for all who aspire to be leaders in the gospel
Amen @AlexCanady. I felt the same way about him. Let’s pray together for the victims and for his family! By the way, #GoBlue!
I gleaned much knowledge from Ravi. Funny thing is he was a fool!
#GoGreen!
Are they truths though? We will never know the truth until we hear Ravi's side of the story. The Investigation should have been commenced before he died so that his side of the story could be heard and part of the record too. Thus investigation report is based on a one-sided story. It was not tested on trial in a court of law to give it such power of influence.
Heartbroken.
As am I...and so many with us!
Me too. When my brother texted me yesterday morning I was at work, standing on a latter, I just felt so sick to my stomach. I slowly got down and just sat, just blown away.
I am only sad for the ones left behind who have to pick up the pieces RZ has left. I feel sadness for his victims but not for the man RZ, he knew exactly what he was doing and delighted in doing it. His actions have sealed his fate, Jesus warned us about how we should walk, the narrow way, the broad way leads to somewhere not very nice. Ravi like us all had free-will and he made his choice.
You’ve done your homework brother, thanks for sharing a Christian perspective not only from yourself but also RZIM and the victims.
Great work man, I appreciate the way you handle the Word!
Thank you, brother, and I’m glad it encouraged you! Like many, I was hoping the report would have different but we have to share the truth-even when it’s uncomfortable.
@@RespondingtotheCall i agree. Your work on this is balanced, fair, and poignant. It is what is, true. But, the way you presented the report calmed many especially your encouragement to move forward for the victims, ravi's fam, rzim, the body of christ who knows ravi, and the fence seaters. Keep up the good work. You have godly wisdom brother
@@colorrun2425 I appreciate this so much and thank you for the encouragement! I’m so glad it resonated and helped serve those watching-that was my entire heart for sharing it. Appreciate you!!
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THERE ARE ACTUALLY NO VICTIMS. THEY DO NOT EXIST. THEY ARE IMAGINARY CHARACTERS IN A FARCE CREATED BY RAVI'S ENEMIES.
James 3:1 - My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
Indeed @GaryH. This was the verse I leaned into with the first video I shared about Ravi.
Oh man isn’t that the truth.
I only have one question about this. Why now? Why after he is dead and gone and not here to defend himself rightly or wrongly so? Answer me that.
@EarlBagot That is a great question my friend. One that I’ve asked as well. Unfortunately there WERE allegations against him in 2017, but the woman wasn’t believed and was even attacked for it. It destroyed her life and family. Ironically it is that very case that the investigation gave more weight to after all of these “new” allegations broke. Unfortunately I think we will hear even more evidence some out about it confirming it all. Ultimately it doesn’t matter when they came out. Yes, we would have definitely wanted to see him have an opportunity to defend himself. Yet he doesn’t need to because there is enough overwhelming evidence from multiple women in multiple countries that show it is true. Even RZIM itself shared as much. I wish it weren’t so. Even more so for these women. Thanks for watching and I hope this helped!
While Ravi was still alive, none of this was able to be brought out into the open. Ravi wouldn't have allowed it.
Absolutely, it would have been better if he was alive now so he can repent because of what happens next..... this is terrifying!!!! We must hold on to our salvation with fear and trembling..... Jesus Messiah!!!
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Remember some will hear depart from me I never knew you, practicer of iniquity....
Honest, wise and fair assessment. Ravi’s falling only underlines our need for Jesus.
Thanks @DoctorBrash. Glad it helped and I agree with you!
How does it do anything but the opposite. Jesus was a violent dude.
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@@jaalkvartir6909 I’m sorry, what?
@@johnharder9925 , apology accepted
I have never heard of this man, but it's really humbling to see wherein his organization admits that they were wrong. I don't normally hear anything like that in the church realm, let alone, those who are not necessarily religious people. All I can say is Wow!
@KamaraMikel Thanks for speaking into this. I agree and I’m also about to put out a video this Tuesday 3/2/21 regarding that exact subject.
Ravi's dead. so the ministry need to be transparent. otherwise the ministry also dead. if ravi's still alive the ministry will do anything to hide this fact. theyve done it so many years
This could have been stopped a long time ago. Considering how blatant and open his sin was, there is NO WAY his board didn't know what was going on at some level. Two witnesses were sufficient for an investigation, but in addition to MANY witnesses there was GLARING evidence that was ignored. Interesting that in everything this board has said so far, they haven't explained why in the face of such blatant sin and overwhelming evidence they did nothing.
THIS is why people demonize tye church. I hope everyone knows that. Stop repeating, "we all sin". It was said in one form or another in this video and do not see outrage for these women.
Where is the outrage and where is the support for them. This is why people hate religion while they still love God. ❤️
@@haleyguthrie3113Amen. We have EVERYTHING we need in the way of Biblical authority to deal with predators in the Church; when there are two or more witnesses accusing a leader of something like this, it MUST be investigated. If the accusations are true, that leader MUST step down. This sends a message to those outside the Church that unlike the world, we care about women and will protect them.
@@GTX1123 100%. Even 1 accusation needs to be investigated. I also think it should be investigated by a non flock member. It's needs to be unbiased.
I'm native american, my people already had already gone through hell with the US government, but missionaries and church schools in our past, broke my people thoroughly. We are already timid and non trusting due to that history, this is holding my people back, fear of the church is all consuming even though most of us are in fact Christians.
We are decaying as a culture and the church seems to ignore or excuse these criminals time after time after time. To the point where now, I agree. We will now meet for studies like our ancestors did in the past. Unfortunately, it appears this is the ONLY way I know to protect my people because we are already killing eachother. We don't need an added threat. It's sad.
@@haleyguthrie3113 Wow. Thanks for sharing this. I believe that the Church just simply has not done enough to help native americans and to your point, in many cases done a lot more harm than good and the betrayal on the part of the U.S. govt towards many native american tribes was absolutely monstrous. What needs to happen is an organic movement within native american churches/ believers where spiritually mature leaders are raised up. It's not that non-native american Christian leaders can't help - they can, but culture and traditions need to be respected. This should be the case for ANY culture around the world as long as the traditions aren't anti-biblical. If they are, then there should still be sensitivity in dealing with any of those issues. Per accusations, the reason Paul says "two or three witnesses" is obvious, although I would agree that if the evidence is obvious (inappropriate emails etc.) then even one is enough. Per bringing in non flock members to help, I would agree in cases where the elders fail to adequately deal with accusations, but if you raise up strong mature elders they can remove a Pastor who is in sin. I've seen it happen both ways. I had a situation about 17 yrs ago where a Pastor who was a closet homosexual predator, tried to seduce a young man I was discipling at the time. This was a "cutting edge" large 2,000 member Charismatic church. The young man didn't give into this predator's seduction because he isn't a homosexual but it was devastating to him and as a result he went back into using drugs. I confronted the Pastor the best way I knew how without 2 or more witnesses but he denied doing anything wrong. 11 years after this incident me and a close friend of mine were launching a ministry in the same city area where this happened. Our apostolic oversight wanted us to connect to this Pastor's church. I vehemently refused so my friend and I got into a bit of a disagreement over it. When I saw we weren't getting anywhere I said "OK let's pray". I prayed that God would expose this Pastor for the charlatan that he is. Well guess what happened? I found out weeks later from someone on staff at the church that within ONE HOUR of me praying that prayer, a male staff member who was having an affair with this Pastor broke down in tears and confessed the sin they were engaged in. The other leaders were so weak and had been in denial for so long about this Pastor that a third party had to be called in to investigate the entire matter because the Pastor denied everything and the leaders were too weak to deal with it. After a full thorough investigation, the outside team investigating it recommended that all of the other leaders who allowed this should resign. Getting rid of the Pastor was more difficult but he was eventually forced out, even though he never repented.
@@GTX1123 I appreciate you saying this. I don't want anyone to feel like Natives are bitters or victims. We were...nut now we are not. Convincing natives to trust anyone outside of our people is hard to do though. We are humans, we sin, we raped and pillaged each other long before Settlers came here. Just as that is our past, US persecution (for the most part) is also in the past. We are Christians. My people did not worship animals like some other tribe, we just believed in respect for ALL life around us, to care for our fields, care for fish, care for our deer populations, and even care for our water source because they care.for us too. It's a circle of life. Some see it as a contraindication to God, but we don't. We didn't actually worship anything. Anyways....
But the one thing, that seems to be plagued with pride, violence, and subjugation of others remains to be the church. It feels worse, I think, because liberals and democrats don't give 2 shits about us. Republicans too. But the church has. They did help a lot of us, so to see this kind of crap time and time again hurts so much worse. My people and the US people both need healing. Just pray for us.
“Jesus Christ is the only person who is exactly who he says he is, and the only Savior, worthy of our ultimate trust and our ultimate worship”
Thank u for this video, very well done
@NancyDuran Amen and thank you! Glad it encouraged you.
So strange as I was scrolling through the comments I read this as he said the words. What are the chances?
@@kerrynjordaan Thanks for watching!
@@RespondingtotheCall you're a lovely speaker by the way. Love your gentleness
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So very sorry this happened... Praying for the victims, the Zacharias family, and the body of Christ as a whole. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Amen @CindyPenick! Thank you for watching and for praying for all involved.
I'm deeply saddened by all this!! I had such respect for Ravi as he always seemed so together and intelligent. I will seek God in what I need to take away from this.God bless!
Amen and thank you for watching!
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Such a shame. It really breaks my heart, yet also gives me some clarity in regards to my own heart. Sometimes I get caught up in the person delivering the message, instead I should be seeking Jesus in all things. Thank you Lord💜
Amen I believe the Lord is shaking out the church and those hiding behind the scenes. Everything done in darkness will come out into the light. The last days are here
It sure seems that way. Both RC and Protestant communions are being eviscerated. I'm under the impression that God is uprooting the church and overturning the soil. This is what God does, and out of the ruins will be restoration and renewal.
@@hushai5154 what did he do exactly? was it photos or actual physical contact? like sex trafficking?
@@hushai5154 amen. New wine can only be held in new wine skins. God knows what He is doing. And though it is painful, it is very much needed.
@@spoolsandbobbins As much as the situation might feel hopeless to some. Remember, we as a body have been here before. In many ways death and resurrection pervade history, along with pruning and refinement. Blessings
The last days started 2,000 years ago. Lol
RZIM is Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. We believe in forgiveness, we believe in restitution, we believe we all sin, we believe no one's exempt, we believe all that, and it's true. But his name should not continue to be out there as an "international ministry". RZIM should either change its name, or just fold.
I agree with you about changing the name if they will continue.
A pastor is suppose to be above reproach and Also we as Christians are to be Holy...
I'm shattered to know this. This is excruciatingly painful.
That’s what happens when you put your faith in man instead of Christ.
@roman While I agree we shouldn’t be surprised when men stumble, no one said they had their faith in a man. Anytime a brother in the faith stumbles and falls we are grieved as a family. Paul was upset in his letters when he heard of their groaning and sin. It pained him. Check your heart, brother.
@@repentedlife2816 Thankyou for giving words to my thought brother.
Really? Nothing surprises me anymore, man's heart is deceitfully wicked and unless a person fully immerses themselves in the Lord, we are all capable of such sins. I hold no man in esteem, the only One that I look to is Christ.
@@repentedlife2816 Well said!!
I just remember how I listened to his many question and answer forums at colleges , tears come as I watch this because all I can think about is how he shared Christ’s love ,
Yes we all fail ... it’s hard to think of Ravi as being such a man but yet he’s just a man ... we are none without fault ... I loved his sermons on faith and just came to know Christ so much on many of the things I too had questions on ...
We need to forgive and to know the Truths he shared ...
right now I know we need to pray for his wife whom I’m sure is broken to pieces over this and his family 💔🙏🏾
May God also heal the lives of the woman who had spoken up and help them to forgive and come closer to the cross .
Amen Linda. Thank you for sharing!
@@martincoons823 Along with so many others, I would love to believe that it is false reporting. However with phone records and actual transcripts of texts and pictures from multiple devices, it’s kind of hard to deny that it is indeed true. Again, I wish it were different for everyone’s sake, especially the women involved and especially for his family. Do you have other evidence of it being false besides what the former law enforcement officers and the investigators found?
Shattered to hear this just today..Ravi is someone I listen to to affirm my faith..its between him and God now but but our faith must remain stronger than ever.
IT IS ALL FALSE ALLEGATIONS. NOTICE THAT THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF "EVIDENCE" IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AND THE "WITNESSES" THEY CAME UP WITH DO NOT EXIST.
@@DrTiwade Ironic someone of Faith needs "Evidence" to prove something is True, but requires no Evidence of the existence of God and still believes regardless.
@@Zlist1994 Innocent until "proven" guilty. Yes, bring out all the evidence against a man of God and then we will believe you. Secondly, the evidence of the Creator is everywhere. Just look at the intricacy with which the human body is made... how the eye functions, how the brain functions, how and why the stars and planets are placed in such a way that they do not bang into each other, why is so much attention to detail given even to an amoeba .... the evidence for the Creator is everywhere. By the way, do you have any evidence that you came from monkeys or do you just "believe" it?
Over the last days I have watched numerous opinions on Ravi Zacharias scandal. I have over the years immensely enjoyed listening to Ravi. I loved his bright mind and brilliant communication skills. He was this kind of messenger of the gospel that did not make you cringe or feel embarrassed. I always regarded his teaching to be sound and Jesus focused. In the last years I did notice that he often mentioned the many days of travelling and ministry as a huge price to pay. I also did notice he would notice him speaking alot about his achivements. But there always will be stuff that does not look perfect. I know many compare this down fall with Lenz from Hillsong, but I would argue that this is much worse. Carl Lenz was a far cry from a worthy servant of the gospel. Like many of his American counterparts his flamboyant style and rich lifestyle made one ashamed to be associated with this kind of stage/celebrity spiritual lightweight preacher. Lenzes downfall seemed inevitably. Ravi seemed of a different more sober and worthy servant in the kingdom of God. This is why it is a real blow and so difficult for all to get their heads around. What was presented and what was really going on was so far apart and that is scary. One word comes to mind from 1 peter 4:7; the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? With all the other stuff going on in the world, we can only hope/pray that God will take control of His church again and that all the many lies, deception, cunning, manipulation and hypocrisy will be revealed and we all will come through as a church worthy of the name we carry. Let us all wherever pray and be diligent in our pursuit not for success, fame or even influence, but for obedience, humility and love
Amen!
That articulated very well
Are you from Moldova?
Well said.
My faith is not shaken by this because I learned early on to place my faith in God...not man. God will NEVER fail you. He will NEVER disappoint you. Don’t be discouraged. Ravi was a fake but God is still real. God bless you my brothers and sisters in Christ.
@DanStephens 💯 and I appreciate the encouragement and the Word!
Yes I’ve had to learn this very hard lesson too. We must stop idolizing men. 🙏🏼
The most dangerous sin is when we think we are not sinners
The most dangerous sin is realizing you're falling into the hands of an angry God, and you don't care!
@Beeloved936 well thank God, our God is not angry. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for the UNGODLY. If he could lay down he's life for the ungodly, surely he is able to forgive his child.
@wordskl The missing word is repentance. Scripture is very clear on this subject! King David was a righteous man. His sins were not that of a righteous man. What did God desire?
A broken,contrite heart! ' I have sinned against you oh God' fell from his lips.
@wordskl Surely you've missed every reference to the wrath and anger of God. Read Genesis to Revelations. Then you'll see the true character of God!
Judas, a discipline of Christ is the perfect illustration of those who say they know Christ. Find the verse Christ said, I never knew you. Who was he talking to? About? Do your own homework for truth!
@Beeloved936 bless you dear 🙏 Jesus loves you.
I listened was blessed and edified by Ravi's teachings for years as I sat on my desk at work. Been retired for 3 years now and no longer heard him as much. Just 2 days ago I heard of his passing and this horrible scandal of sexual misconduct. To be honest I was shock and very saddened at the news. Another proof that we must "keep our eyes FIXED on Jesus the author and finisher of our faith" and also like Paul said: "I purpose to know anything among you save Jesus Christ and Him crucified" How does someone who is used so mightily by God fall into such degree of sin? I don't know but we must really pray for our leaders!!
David
Must We be reminded of David and his transgressions of adultery and murder?
This is very sad! I loved showing my friends who were not Christian and struggling with faith content by Ravi. Unfortunately, some of those same ones now discredit him and Christianity as a whole. Praying for the victims and I am encouraged by what you said about guarding our hearts.
We are all devastated just like you. But even after death, Ravi is still teaching us. Probably not what or how he would have liked, yet there are real messages for us all. After reflection, this is what I got from what he Ravi has done:
1. Sin does not discriminate: We all sin, not even those within the church highest seats are safe. You, me, Ravi, we are sinners. Let’s pray for those God has called to be the barers of His message. Pray for their protection, pray for their strength, pray for their ability to resist sin. And also pray these things for you and me.
2. Sin is destructive: what Ravi has done to those poor women, what he has done to his family and what he has done to us who listened to him, it hurt all of us. Some more than others, some can be repaired, some not. But I know it hurts God the most, yet he had to let it happen. It was Ravi’s choice. Ravi made attempts to hide his sin. When we do things in darkness, it hurts not just ourself, but those around us. Our sins have nailed Jesus to the cross, Ravi’s, mine, yours. But that’s where the sadness end. Thanks go to God for taking it upon His Son to redeem our sins. He will not hold our sins against us as long as we can repent, get on our knees and ask Jesus to take our failing upon Him. Pray for those who got hurt by Ravi and those that we hurt with our failings. Pray that we can be better each day.
3. The truth remains the truth. No matter what Ravi did, I believe what he said about Christianity and what he stood for is still the truth. If El Chapo confessed that God is the truth, then it’s still the truth, no matter who says it or even f he believed what he said. Just because Ravi could not live what he preached, it does not make what he taught untruthful. It just merely shows he is human and not to be put on a pedestal. He still preached the truth. That there is Christianity. If only we became perfect once we choose Jesus as our saviour. But that’s not how it works. That would not be a relationship. God wants a real relationship with us. Failings and all.
4. Christianity is different: what I find so strange about our faith and how the Lord operates, we just struggle to comprehend. The greatest figures in the bible were all massive sinners. Moses had big failings. He killed an Egyptian. Yet God chose him. He lost faith numerous times, got angry, yet, never did God turn on Moses. David: himself an adulterer, put someone on the frontline in battle to be able to marry his wife. Despicable. Look at Saul, Solomon, Joseph, Jacob, they were all sinners. Yet theses are Jesus lineage. These sinners were chosen by God to lead His nation, despite their failings. The apostles: Peter, look how many times Jesus rebuked him for doing wrong things, keeping the children away from Jesus, arguing who is the greatest apostle, Matthew 16:23 are very strong words Jesus used to rebuke Peter. Peter denied Jesus even after he was warned he will do so. What about Paul (Saul), the persecutor of Christians, blood on his hands. Not one single person in the bible had no failure, apart from Jesus. Yet, these are the ones God chose and so dearly loved. And that is why we are also called and loved, not because we are great, because we are sinners, we recognise our failings and we know God is our father and He has only love and compassion for us. Add Ravi to the list of sinners. Who in their right mind will use people like these? It goes against anything our society upholds. But, God does. That the paradox of our faith. We recognise what is good, yet we still fail to uphold these principles. Why should Ravi be any different.
Pray that the Holy Spirit can guide us and lead us not into temptation. That the Holy Spit will walk with us, every day so that God willing, we can resist these temptation when they come. But also know we’ll fail, but that our failure can and will end in victory. Hopefully this can help explain to others why this sort of thing happens. Christianity is a life journey, ups and downs, failures and victories. That’s how we learn, that’s how we get stronger. That’s how we learn how to love our enemies. If we were perfect, how would we learn forgiveness? Christianity is not about be righteous. We cant be. We can only strive to be. Christianity is about love, redemption, forgiveness and having an intimate relationship with God, the creator of everything. It’s mind blowing that God even gives us a second glance. Yet He wants a relationship with you. He wants to know you in the good times and bad times. He just so hopes that we can find it in us to love Him. To seek Him. To care to spend time with Him.
God bless and enjoy your journey with God, hopefully others will realise that what you have is very very special.
@Dennis Yen hey Dennis, seems I need to pray for you as well. Peace to you.
@@aeasthouse316 This is EXCELLENT. Thank you for taking the time to write this. I know it’s come out of a lot of the disappointment you have personally processed-and It is going to speak to a lot of people!
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I believe its all lies. They are paid off big time by Ravi's enemies to turn people away from his message. As well, cowardly fabricated things on his phone when he is dead ! 🙄
The whole point of becoming a Christian is that we don’t have to live like hell anymore. It’s not “putting him on a pedestal” to expect him to be faithful to his wife the same way millions of men, many of them unsaved, are faithful to their wives. I think we’ll find out that the “good” of men like Ravi Zacharias never outweighs the damage they think they can control. I hope nobody tries to defend this guy (or any of the thousand like him) as a “man of God who made some horrible mistakes.”
Totally agree with this. To defend him is to exonerate his behaviour and thereby give a free licence to all kinds of depravity.
There is no defending what Ravi has done. It’s despicable, it’s hurtful and destructive. I also hope nobody defends this behaviour. But I do believe he was a man who believed in God and yes he made horrible mistakes. But we all make horrible mistakes, me, you, we all do. None of it is right.
Look at anyone in the bible (with exception of Jesus). Not one single person that did not sin. In fact, the most prominent people, were the worst sinners:
Moses had big failings. He killed an Egyptian. Yet God chose him. He lost faith numerous times, got angry, yet, never did God turn on Moses. David: himself an adulterer, put someone on the frontline in battle to be able to marry his wife. Despicable. Look at Saul, Solomon, Joseph, Jacob, Daniël, they were all sinners. Yet theses are Jesus lineage. These sinners were chosen by God to lead His nation, despite their failings. To uphold Gods law. The apostles: Peter, look how many times Jesus rebuked him for doing wrong things, keeping the children away from Jesus, arguing who is the greatest apostle, Matthew 16:23 are very strong words Jesus used to rebuke Peter. Peter denied Jesus even after he was warned he will do so. What about Paul (Saul), the persecutor of Christians, blood on his hands.
You can add me to this list, you can add Ravi to this list. Is any of this right? No. But that is what is so special about Christianity. If just 1 person was free of sin, then what was the point of Jesus? For all our failings (and that of Ravi), we should be condemned. BUT, this is where Jesus comes in. He came to be my, your and everyone else’s advocate and redeemer. If we confess and acknowledge our failures to Jesus, He will wipe clear our record. Unconditionally. True forgiveness. The choice is ours.
I feel for those Ravi hurt. The way he has done it. I pray for them, that they can find the strength to go through it. Not to turn their backs on Jesus just because Ravi preached the gospel of Jesus. But that they will see he had sinned and ultimately can get to the point of forgiveness, just like the bible asked us to do. And to be honest to you, that’s asking a lot of them. As a man I’m trying to put myself in their shoes. But I just can’t. So I pray that the Holy Spirit will help them heel. That they can find through all of this the love of God and that their relationship will be stronger through this. But I also pray for Ravi’s soul, my God take pity on him, despite of his failings.
@@aeasthouse316 You can't pray for the dead. It's saved or lost pity has nothing to do with salvation.
@@gillianstewart8442 For me I don’t believe there are rules to prayer. I have a personal relationship with God, and honestly consult and ask him whatever I feel the need to deal with Him. And if I so want to pray for Ravi after death, it’s up to God to decide what He wants to do with my prayer. You probably right that my prayer is too late and God’s decision has been made. No matter my prayer, God’s will comes above my own will. Still I pray what I want to pray. God knows my heart and intent. Who are we to say what happens to Ravi’s soul? We just don’t know what Ravi has sorted our with the Lord himself.
@Dennis Yen my comment to Gillian applies
I am a wife. I cannot imagine what Ravi's wife is going through. I recall Mr. Zacharias telling how his wife was pregnant and about to have their child and he got called away for the ministry and she did not skip a beat, told him to go and do God's work. Ugh. How could he do this to her, to his family and to his God?? I wonder if she knew he had a problem. I have lots of questions I know I won't get answers. How do we trust our leaders? How de we explain God's power in our lives to non believers? Anyway. This situation is soo horrendous.
@Alexa77cp I understand those questions 💯. Some of the answers we’ll never know as far as motivations as to “why.” However, I’ve been through this before and a lot of what I shared in this video and the 1st video on Ravi (When Your Heroes Fall) are because of what God has walked me through. You WILL get through this and my prayer is that you see how truly powerful and purposeful our God is that He can use ANY instrument to reach us and change our lives. His truth remains true. His word stands. His character is still in tact. It is ALL about Him. Not a man, not a ministry, not a great apologetic. The way we share the power of God with unbelievers is the same as it is always been...by pointing them to Christ who loved them and gave Himself up for them!
@@RespondingtotheCall Amen. Thank you.
@@RespondingtotheCall amen 🙏🏾
I remember feeling saddened by Ravi’s passing but now hearing about what he did it makes me feel sick to think about.
This just makes me sad. I really was helped through his teaching. 😢
@MyriamCaban I was as well. A lot of people were! And now we also see that a lot of people were hurt. Truly sad, and that’s why I wanted to share the fact that it’s the TRUTH of God’s Word that still stands forever.
Dont focus on the company but focus on the products. If tge products are usefull and good then it will benefit you. If not throw it away, coz a company has no guarantee if it is expired.
This is sad. We all fall short of God’s glory.
Agree completely. That was one of the sentiments I tried to convey. It’s within all of us (the heart of men/women) to do this. That’s the scary part-the enemy within. Then add to that the enemy “without”-the accuser and enemy of our SOULS-and it hopefully prods us to RUN as fast as we can to the Cross and to the throne of Grace to find help and mercy for our wandering hearts!
Especially these 💩celebrity pastors, they’re all JOKES
We all fall short, so let’s keep on sinning right? Yeah see this is the problem all grace and no truth.
@@mixedbag3330 Exactly! I'm tired of the excuses.
How can anyone ever give Ravi any credence ever at this point!
True brother...message is more important than the messenger...we all need grace brother
@AjitRajan Amen thank you!
This is not a matter of grace - in fact it's the PERVERSION of grace - God commands that we EXPOSE the workers of darkness - NOT cover it up - I'm sickened by those of you who claim to be Godly, not having the courage to speak the truth or stand up for the innocent - 'Those who say the innocent are guilty and the guilty are innocent, BOTH are an ABO|MINATION to the Lord" - get your theology correct!
@@gracelatour3441 what I meant was I need god's grace to live a holy life....we all need....our efforts fall apart at some point....instead of idolizing people who preach, we should individually seek grace and be lead by spirit..I think you misunderstood what I said...Grace is not a license to sin, but helps us to be a better person and leads us towards righteous living.
“Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners-of whom I am the worst.”
1 Timothy 1:15 NIV
Look. At the apostles response to the grace given. Him he did not use as a cloak of deciet.. He was not a worker of iniquity with it.
Always remember this scripture:
1 Corinthians 2:1-5
“And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.”
That's a Great scripture for this situation!!
My brother, thank you for a grace-infused, humble, and wise reflection of this tragic situation!
@CarlRichie Thank you, brother. It was a difficult topic but my hope was to help encourage us as believers. Appreciate you watching!
its sad that ravi covered up his own misconduct till his death, was there repentance?
From another video, no, is was said there no repentance. But then again, it is just what earthly men know. We won't know truly. :(
Yes it’s sad, I guess he couldn’t hide it anymore once he was dead........
Time to become a Muslim and submit yourself to allah and worship only one creator allah
This news about Ravi is hard for me to process.
Adam, in your previous video I made comment that RZ was the wretch of Roman's 7: 24 ,25. The wretch thanks God for our lord Jesus Christ. In the investigation he is reported as praying to God with a woman , thanking God for the opportunity for them 2 b together. The female has little or none of the discernment necessary to know the blasphemy he is speaking. Our Father in heaven is a holy and righteous God. Praying like this in the company of the victim encourages the victim to believe that everything is ok and acceptable b4 God in their liaison. It is clearly obvious
to me, that RZ never appreciated the holiness of God and treated him like a pagan entity, willing to partake and assist in such things. This is blasphemy against the holy Spirit who is our Father. I dont mind being wrong and admitting it.
I am so very sorry for his dear wife. What a shocking revelation to receive in later life.. TY.
I just heard about this tonight and I have to admit this one stings badly.
I much enjoyed Ravi's apologetics ministry and his keen logical points. I also was led to Christ by a fallen Calvsry Chapel mega church pastor that was caught in a similar scandal. I am reminded that the message they gave was and still is valid even though the messenger has stumbled. I am deeply saddened by both moral failures but am always reminded that I, too. am capable of such lest I get my eyes off Jesus.
I feel so embarrassed because I recommended to so many people Ravi’s teaching. I bought countless of his books as Christmas presents this past few years. I know that I was r to know, and I know that the teaching in the books was right, but I still feel embarrassment. I pray fir the victims and I hope that Ravi’s own soul wasn’t lost. I hope he had time to repent and be forgiven.
@Anthonywrobb, I understand how you feel but like I mentioned in the video, it’s the TRUTH that was preached-the Word of God-that stands, regardless of who shares it. You shared books and messages with people you cared about because you believe in the life-changing message of Jesus Christ contained within them. Am I right? If so, you never have to be ashamed or embarrassed sharing messages that may change someone’s eternity. That’s my opinion anyway 🙂.
There is no need for embarrassment. You acted in good faith and the message remains true. Since you have given away so many RZ books, you may be confronted with the scandal. It is the integrity with which you handle the scandal that will matter.
By their fruits, ye shall know them.
Thank you for helping us to deal with our thought processes as we deal with this issue on Ravi. We are one body in Christ and regardless of our location and distance we are all hurting. May God help us in our decision to move forward on serving Him no matter what .
Thank you @RosarioMorris, and I definitely pray the same as God leads each and every one of us forward in Him!
I am afraid he might have heard “I never knew you”....so sad all around.
Did the adulterer and murderer King David hear those words too? Or did God say, “I have put away your sin” to David?
@@gregwood7597 David confessed his sin and repented.
@@isobelhudson3108 so if a believer dies with unconfessed sin they lose their salvation? I always was taught that all of our condemnation from sin, past, present and future was covered by the blood of Jesus Christ and never to be remembered by him . Studying the grace of Christ is a wonderful way to grow in gratitude for his amazing, unspeakable unmerited gift.
@@gregwood7597 yes I'm pretty sure everyone that dies has some sort of unconfessed sin . If our salvation was based on confessing every single sin we have committed past., present , and future I'm afraid there wouldn't be too many people in heaven
@@gregwood7597 it is not that it was an uncofessed sin. It was that he sinned deliberately and hid it. He fell into apostasy. Maybe you don't believe that because you're a calvinist idk.
Please pray for his wounded wife to get the healing she needs. To her it must seem that her whole marriage was a lie. Finally, JUDGE NOT THAT YOU BE NOT JUDGED.
We are to call evil ,evil. This is not judgement it's TRUTH! He blasphemed our precious God, deceived and abused many. He was in sin from the lies of his education as well. The judgement manipulation is misused most of the time. Many scriptures tell us to turn from those that continue to sin and not change etc.We are to speak out about the deceivers. I will always defend God's precious word and Jesus's life.
The Savior warned us to be aware of wolves in sheep's clothing... There are always underlying feelings which I'm sure she had that the marriage her husband's life was a lie.. I had an uncle that was a molester of young women and I'm sure that his wife knew it that their life was a lie but they simply do not know what to do...
“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us”
“Those without sin cast the first stone “
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;.. God is judge. Only God Knows The Heart. Repent and thou shall be saved.. ❤️
Yes and Amen.
We can and should be charitable and forgiving with each other. But that doesn't mean we ,or institutions cannot forfeit the right to be in positions of leadership.
To who much is given,much is required.He was presumptuous and evil.He was a charmer,deceiver and liar.The God of this world was his God not the God of Righteousness.
Sex crimes are not an oops. We should expect decent behavior from ministers.
I don't think people understand how difficult it is to battle lust, especially when you have power and wisdom. It is so sad to help and hurt at the same time. My prayers to the victims, I'm very sorry that has happened to you all...
There definitely aren’t enough believers that recognize this. Where some may be able to control their flesh from this aspect, there may be other areas that they struggle with, but aren’t as frequently convicted on those issues, because lust is often the primary focus. Things such as pride/selfishness(often lovers of self)/hatred/foolishness/etc. often are less emphasized. Personally I feel as though I’ve grown the closest I have in my relationship with God over the past 3 years, yet the one area I too always struggle with is lust, while all of those other things I’ve mentioned have never been that big of issues for me, since I’ve tried to adopt and practice a Spirit of meekness from a young age. I see many pastors that are quick to condemn many other sins, yet they are clearly narcissistic themselves and are unable to correct their own theology (often from other theologians that have taken scripture out of context) they preach, when confronted about it (I was a PK most of my life, so this comes from years of personal observation). Pastors often overlook what Paul writes in Romans too.
“We know that the Law is spiritual, but I am a creature of the flesh [worldly, self-reliant-carnal and unspiritual], sold into slavery to sin [and serving under its control]. For I do not understand my own actions [I am baffled and bewildered by them]. I do not practice what I want to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate [and yielding to my human nature, my worldliness-my sinful capacity]. Now if I habitually do what I do not want to do, [that means] I agree with the Law, confessing that it is good (morally excellent). So now [if that is the case, then] it is no longer I who do it [the disobedient thing which I despise], but the sin [nature] which lives in me. For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh [my human nature, my worldliness-my sinful capacity]. For the willingness [to do good] is present in me, but the doing of good is not. For the good that I want to do, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want to do, I am no longer the one doing it [that is, it is not me that acts], but the sin [nature] which lives in me.”
Romans 7:14-20 AMP
www.bible.com/1588/rom.7.14-20.amp
Also brother, it’s important to note the difference from guilt and conviction , since it is often taught as one and the same. The Holy Spirit convicts, while the enemy uses guilt to distract us from spiritual growth, and making us question our own worth. Guilt is a form of manipulation, manipulation being a form of witchcraft (something I’ve learned from Derek Prince). The Holy Spirit doesn’t manipulate us, because it’s a violation of free will, which was created by God, and people have to choose in accordance with that free will to serve since he won’t violate what he’s created.
Hadn’t learned this until more recently, hopefully it helps you in your walk as well.
I’m still personally trying to fight the same battle, but if we fall, all we can do is get back up and do our best to try again.
“If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just [true to His own nature and promises], and will forgive our sins and cleanse us continually from all unrighteousness [our wrongdoing, everything not in conformity with His will and purpose]. If we say that we have not sinned [refusing to admit acts of sin], we make Him [out to be] a liar [by contradicting Him] and His word is not in us.”
1 John 1:9-10 AMP
www.bible.com/1588/1jn.1.9-10.amp
Hope this helps brother. Will pray for you to battle the same issue as I continue to fight.
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So so grateful for the cross MERCY AND GRACE
HAVING BEEN A VICTIM
I AM SPECIALLY THANKFUL THAT IN THE TRUTH WITH PROCESS AND FORGIVENESS WE DO BECOME
VICTORIOUS OVERCOMERS
Ok, but he RAPED PEOPLE! That's not a struggle to not rape someone! I have hypersexuality, I don't rape.
Ok but he RAPED PEOPLE! That's not a struggle to not rape someone! I have hypersexuality, I don't rape.
Pray for Ravi's wife and the women who were wrongfully affected. We can't change what has already been done, but we can change how we respond to the survivors. God will judge.
@TonjiRucker Absolutely true! Thanks so much for watching.
Thank you sir for this information. My prayers go out to all the victims, and to keep my trust in Christ alone, only in him do I put my all. "Jesus Saves"
You are most welcome and glad it helped! Appreciate you watching!
I’m not a RZ fan, but I did appreciate his passion and theology. As a Catholic, I can relate to folks who followed Ravi’s teachings, because many in the Church have failed. Adam, your points are good, it’s the Word that lives forever, and to that, we must strive to persevere. The ones who persevere to the end are saved. Let it sink in...
@TheMickey1892 Appreciate the encouragement and the great word. Thanks for watching!
Roman Catholicism has false doctrines
Yesterday the holy spirit said to me "No man is too far from the ground"
I asked the Lord what He meant.
He said "No man is too far from the earth that he was made from....(the earth or ground being 'flesh') he will never be able to elevate himself high enough so as not to fall to the ground.
You ultimately gladdens my heart after much crying. Thank you for the greater understanding through His WORD.
You said it spot on....Ravi Zacharias was only a messenger and if he preached the truth I will receive for God is the judge.
We have all learned from Him.
Blessings on your great work! From South Africa
Thank you, Anthea! I’m truly glad the Lord used it to encourage you!
OH MY GOODNESS! I used to listen to his lectures and admired him so much.
I remember when he spoke about the attempted raping of babies that he witnessed and how demonic the men were.
This is so sad. He always appeared to be a calm highly rational, compassionate man that anyone could emulate.
Oh, how sad. I'll pray for all who have been hurt in any way by him and other 'leaders' out there. We have a way of looking for ppl we can follow and sometimes wind up making them an idol in a sense. I think it's easy for us to do because we can see them, hear them, and touch them in a way that seems easier than seeing, hearing and touching God.
'There but for The Grace Of God go I.'
Amen Brother. We put our faith and hope of Christ alone. It is by grace that we are saved. It is not for us to judge and condemn because we ourselves are just as sinful. God is the final judge. The world may pass away, but God's Word will never pass away. God is the one that brings truth to light. He is our ultimate comforter and counselor.
It is for you to condemn I will condemn a Predator, Groomer and Sexual slaver every single time.
Please consider not reading the final report if you have been abused. It could be triggering to you.
@DebraH Thank you for this! Honestly. It’s such wise advice and I agree completely. I almost stopped reading it myself. I can’t imagine how it would trigger someone with abuse in their history. Grateful for you!
Thank you for reminding us that there are many faithful Christians who have walked faithfully with the Lord. That the most important thing is to abide in Jesus Christ. Jesus says 'without me you can do nothing'.
Amen and you are welcome! Thanks for watching!
This is devils plan. Don’t fall in his trap. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ
shame Jesus could not save Ravi. The Apologetics are liars.
@@samsingh6643 I think Jesus did save Ravi as He save all believers who repent. All believers sin. No one is without sin. It is Satan who uses our guilt against us.
@@bantumwt -Ofcourse we all sin.
He did more then sin, he was a pervert.
He represented Jesus on earh.
Apologetics have been dealt a major , blow.
The Apologetic ministery is build on lies and Ravi was a leading , liar.
Jesus cannot save anyone.
Truth shall set you free.
@@samsingh6643 "Jesus cannot save anyone?" Jesus is the only one who can save. And perversion is a sin. Did Ravi repent? I hope so. If not, ... . Ravi actions are inexcusable, if they are true and it looks like they are. However, I do question why all of this didn't surface before his death. Something is definitely amiss here. And I always am skeptical of anything that originates from liberal or leftist media.
@@bantumwt They found text messages and nude photos on his phone 3 months before he died - did he repent?
We cannot forget the millions of people he brought to JESUS Christ because of his teaching and conviction.
Yes even though there's lots of churches out there with a little bit of false teaching, they still bring people to Jesus....although it's a sad thing for new Christians to be sucked into false teaching
I'm more concerned about the people he traumatized and damaged
Time to become a Muslim and submit yourself to allah and worship only one creator allah
Ironically, I’d only just been introduced to Ravi and his ministry via TH-cam a month or two before this scandal broke. I’m glad they’ve made steps to deal with the issues directly, and pray for all who have been injured-especially that they don’t turn from our Heavenly Father as a result.
Thank you Adam for the well balanced commentary, and for pointing us to what we need most, growing in our own walk with God
Hard for me to digest at the moment..but surely will overcome this news by forgiving his family with God's help and move on..and to learn from this incident and to trust Jesus more than anyone else, as He is the One and Only True God.
Amen @MatthewRavi! Appreciate you watching and thanks for sharing this.
@@RespondingtotheCall did his family do something wrong too?
Y e s
Those podcasts, those lectures, those books by one of the world’s most brilliant apologetic preachers are still CLEAN, PURE, VALUABLE
Yes i agree a hundred percent,
Look closer.
Time to become a Muslim and submit yourself to allah and worship only one creator allah
@@mohammedraazi4943 Time for you to debate the Christian Prince live on TH-cam if you dare. Your prophet and his book is wrong. Please check out CP, he debates muslims almost every day and they leave Islam for good.
@@JohnnySmith-no2zc th-cam.com/video/3UJe6RVY0jg/w-d-xo.html
Some question remains: Why did the board only wake up to their responsibility after Ravi's demise? Are massage therapists not supposed to be professional in their conduct? Why must we believe the story of base women who condescended so low to the demands of an old man, or were they not paid well? Finally, why do Americans use sex stories to bring down successful people whereas their society is sex crazy? Whatever anyone says, the legacy of Zecharias lives on.
I saw your post yesterday about Margie and I thought it was so good, I thought I could trust you to walk through this awful situation. I finally read, I cried, I prayed, for ALL. Thank you so much young man.
This goes for all of us Brothers and Sisters in Christ God is exposing everything in the church that is unlike him so if you feel like you're out from underneath his covering your better repent and turn back and pray because I'm sure you don't want to be the one on that chopping block to be exposed to the world
I was working for Jimmy Swaggart in 1988 when his sin was exposed. Why didn't Ravi learn from this?
@eflint1 Wow. What was that like and how did you and others there move forward from that?
I've had many emotions since I first learned of this. Right now, all I have is anger for Ravi. He was a fraud, and I let him fool me. The signs were there, I just overlooked them.
God bless you. Wherever you are please look closer to home for signs of exploitation it's more common than you think, Light removes darkness.
Thank God for truth openness and repentance from the organisation
I feel relieved that I am human when I see spiritual giants in this way, but what he did is on a level that most people never reach in their sin. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, but we use our leaders to help us, to challenge us, to inspire us and any inspiration he gave is gone now and that is sad. I love that Billy Graham though not perfect had no such scandal.
Spiritual adultery (i.e. abandoning or compromising on sound doctrine) leads to physical adultery.
@Dennis Yen He sure compromised sound doctrine...If he speaks not to the Law and tothe testimony there is no light in him,false teachers are signs of the end and they are in abundance.God has only one true church.
You seemed way too excited talking about this
Adam thank you for managing this heartbreaking report with wisdom the grace of God and in kindness to all that are involved.
It is truly sad. I will always remember his ability to defend the gospel.
Amen @MaritaBruwer. We truly as a body need to pray for the victims, the ministry, and for the truth of the Gospel to shine clearly through this.
Matthew 23:1-3 Jesus told his disciples to do what the Pharisees and teachers of the law taught, but don't follow their actions.
Seeing as RZIM has done all of this work on their own; investigation, apology, et. al. I question the motives of this man who is making all of these videos. I see NO scripture that says anything to the effect of "If your brother or sister sins, you who are not at all involved with any aspect of the matter, go and point out their fault, just between you and your 3.49K subscribers, to build your channel on TH-cam. If people listen to you, you have won them over as subscribers to your channel. Which, if your channel grows large enough, you can earn tons of cash $$$. I'm talking about them Benjamin's bro." BTW... Be sure to use consumer-grade, hobbyist level equipment, purchased on a discount website - which the combined purchase amount is far less than one professional-level camera body alone.. While attempting to deceive people into thinking you are some sort of involved professional, while you drone on and on about things people could easily find on their own. Things officially released by those who are, in fact deeply involved AND following correct scriptural protocols for this sort of tragic failing of an otherwise great man." There is NO call from God to do this.
The scriptures did NOT call you to do this. #Matthew18:15ExposesYouDude, #Galatians6:1compels, #Romans2:1condemns
Amen.
This situation is very sobering for me. We all have a demon we battle daily. As you mentioned, we have no idea what type temptations Ravi faced. But I think his consistent and faithful teaching speaks to how he wrestled with God and the enemy. I’m saddened for his family, followers, and victims. May they all find peace and healing. As for me, a pastor, I’m praying for my strength in Christ Jesus. It’s not easy. But it’s possible to do well and please the Father.
Good grief, as a pastor, you had better shape up! "We all have temptations, we all wrestle" What a pathetic little blanket statement.. Right but we don't act like predators to do again and again and again for a lifetime!
Glad that Rzim finally came forth to do right although it is a little late in the day. For so many years, this Weed had been shielded and allowed to flourish as a Wheat. What a Sickening Deceiver. For me, I shall choose not to feed myself from this tainted 'vessel' ever. I am thankful that my Father himself provide the Holy Spirit to restore, teach, lead and empower the faithful as we journey to Eternity.
May healing starts to flow from the Almighty to all who have been hurt one way or another.
Processing - the frustration of not being able to tell Ravi exactly what I thing of him. Frustration of churches making the same mistakes over and over again. Querying whether the RIGHT people are candidating or being accepted into the ministry and what it means when you build "your own" ministry and become your own CEO. Thin-skinned, highly strung, lofty people are accepted as spiritual leaders - with no shepherds heart. I thought that pastors were supposed to be caring people, compassionate, humble, teachable and correctable individuals. More needs to be done to stop the likes of Ravi garnering such power. Until the church addresses this, churches will continue to be unsafe places for some children and some vulnerable adults.
Wow I had no idea that this had been going on. I've been someone who considered Ravi to be the world's voice for Jesus in this shattered visage in Christendom... But again, was I following Ravi, or WHO he was drawing me toward.... The MESSAGE, and not the messenger.... Lord help us.. the wind has been taken out of me right now, but Ravi was just a man and not diety... Knowing that Ravi had weaknesses like the rest of the planet only reveals MORE that Jesus needs to intervene in ALL our lives. I pray for the hearts of those that he was interacting with in secret, that they have not lost their faith as a result.... 🙏🙏🙏🙏
I will still Listen to Ravi. He still holds wisdom. Very great wisdom. The wisest man on earth was Solomon. He gave us wisdom in proverbs...warning us about women. But women were his greatest weakness. Pls...Jesus is our only template. Ravi, as we can all see, was after all a man. And because the Gift of God is without repentance, even if Ravi were still alive, he still would have spoken the truth of God's word as that's was the Gift ofGod to him!
Let's always remember Paul's words... "follow me as I follow Christ!". Christ is our final authority. God bless us all and may he keep us faithful till the end in Jesus name, amen.
God said cursed is the person who puts their trust in the flesh. Are you feeling let down because your foundation was in Ravi even Ravi said put your trust in God throughhis son Jesus Christ alone whether these allegations are true or not we should not what time this and this is a time of when the enemy is allowed to sift your faith whether your trust and belief was in the gospel or on the man Ravi.
I have no doubt that Ravis message was inspired by the holy spirit I have seen a few to know it was biblical but a the end we are all sinners whether we are leaders which it says are held to higher standard.
God bless Ravi who is now in heaven with Jesus and our heavenly father free from sin and death.
Amen
I am not sure where Ravi now is actually
Adam, Words well spoken! God is able! to "Comfort ye his people".
@Rhonda Ellerbe Thank you and I agree 💯!
The man was a monster parading as an angel of light...
I loved the information Ravi gave, but never felt ok with him. HOLY spirit knows....follow him.
Who can we trust but God. Yes God's message transcends the message.
Jesus told his people during His time on earth to listen to the scribes and Pharisees but not to do what they do.
SO YOU SHOULD PRAY FOR YOUR SHEPHERDS, PASTORS, LEADERS. Never depend on man let your focus be on God
So heart breaking that how he lived his double life, he betrayed himself his family and thousands and thousands of people around the world.
But our trust is not in human because human can make mistakes and do evil things, our trust is in Lord Jesus Christ, who was perfect sinless son of God. Keeping his family and his victims in my prayers .
First time on your channel and you owned my subscription. Thank you for sharing, and God bless.
Thank you for sharing 🙏
@JamalKhan I agree with ALL of the above! I’m honored you would consider subscribing and being on the journey together. Thanks and may God bless you too!
I think the difference with RZ is that his sinfulness was willing and calculated. He chose his victims and groomed them over weeks and months. This is the sign of a devious heart. We are clothed in sinful flesh but God has given us free-will and self-control, we make choices for good or for evil and if we are truly born-again then God will convict us of our sins and help us to overcome them, not wallow in them.
"If Ravi couldn't do it, how can I?" A lifestyle of sin is far different from a struggle with sin. It's not that Ravi couldn't do it, it's more like he relished in doing it. From what I see, Ravi has taught us one final and most important thing: that we need to put the fear and trembling of Philippians 2 back in our walk because if Ravi could be deceived and led astray, so can we. We need to be more vigilant than ever.
That’s a very good point!
Jesus said himself to Peter not 7 times but 7 × 77 We must forgive one another, we all fall short no one's perfect.
Think God for the free gift of repentance and Jesus Christ dying for each and everyone of us for our sins 🙏
We should pray for all people to stay true to the word of God.
If you judge men, God will also judge as well.. Yes I feel Sad, Yes it's not ok.. Still Ravi was a MEN , but can't talk about is sin..
GOD WILL BE THE JUDGE.
Bless all the victim, Bless people of God have love in your heart.