I was looking to buy a DS420+ to stream my large movie collection from. This video made me aware of the DS920+, which, amazingly is only $NZ60 (£30) more than the DS420+ here in New Zealand. Absolute no brainer. Thanks for this great video.
I waited, waited, waited ... and pulled the trigger on a 918+ after noticing the 920+ soldered on half the ram and didnt go 2.5Gbe. The slight bump up in CPU power wont affect my use. In the end theres just not enough to justify. I saved a lot $, as I caught the 918+ on a sale day after the 20 series hit the market, so saved a bundle over its own price just a couple weeks earlier.
I have been looking at NAS for awhile. I started out wanting to get a Synology DS2XX. The more I research and compare, I have come to my conclusion. In Singapore, DS220J - SGD$229 (USD$170) DS920+ - SGD$849 (USD$624) For those who most probably won't be scaling up, get the DS220J. For those who wants to prepare / have the option to scale up, get the DS920+. If on budget, get DS220J.
Thanks, makes me happy with my recent DS720+ purchase. It is like greased lightning compared with my seven year old WD MyClouds (which have never missed a beat by the way).
With recent hardware issue WD is having due to the security failings of OS3, which now makes the My Cloud Mirror unsupported. I'm looking into getting a Synology because even though for the most part the my cloud hasn't had any data losing mess up, but it also hasn't always been a walk in the park. I've had the mirror for about 7 years I think maybe 5, so it's definitely time to upgrade the drives & enclosure. Did you use WD Red drives when you made the switch? If so were there ever any comparability issues?
@@cwillis92 Yes, very disappointed in WD with their poor options for replacing the MyClouds. I liked them because they were nice and simple, but also had the Safepoint feature which i used for scheduled backups (the aut scheduling on mine stopped working but otherwise they were great). I also would have bought a Netgear NAS because I've had a really good run from their other gear over the years and to reduce security risk from Chyna but there was simply nothing in stock at the time here in NZ. I went with 2x WD 14TB Red NAS HDD , 3.5" SATA3 512MB Cache, Designed and tested for RAID environments 1-8 Bay NAS,3 Years warranty (MPN: WD140EFFX) and been running them for 12 mths now, haven't missed a beat. I have them setup in simple RAID 1 config so that if I decide to move away from Synology in the future I can. In hindsight economically I would have been better off with the 920+ and 4x smaller drives, or the two large ones and room to upgrade them later, but I figure I'll be upgrading the whole unit after 5-6 years anyway. Apart from concern over the vulnerability of Taiwan to Chyna I'm very happy with this setup, and big thanks to NASCompares and SpaceRex for making it very easy to select which unit and drives, and how to setup and config it.
@@waterbourne9282 appreciate the reply this definitely helps figure out what to do since after next month the enclosure won't have really any level of security.
If I want the powerful features but am happy initially with two bays but perhaps later want a bit more, then it seems to me rather than get the 720 with later the full expansion module, I'd be better to get the 920 straight away but start off just using two bays for just like €100 more .. Does that seem like a good way to think about it, or is there any other consideration?
Best explanation on TH-cam between the Synology servers. Looking for a comparison between 920+ and 1522+. Thanks for taking the time in doing such a great review.
NASCompares - Robbie; Re: Link aggregation. One thing that is always talked about but not detailed, is about benefiting from the second LAN jack on our NAS 'with link aggregation and port trunking enabled'. There will be a lot of us who hear that as; "With a better router / switch and a more than 1Gbe jack on my motherboard (or on a pci card) it sounds like I can literally double my NAS access speed', ... but how does this all plug in together? Is this the correct way to think about this? How do I make it happen? Questions from the truly newb perspective, just jumping into the NAS world: - How fast/what capabilities does the router/switch and computer hardware LAN parts need to have? - Are we talking 2 physical cat ethernet wires running from the switch to the NAS? Does the cat variant matter? Cat5, cat6, cat7 for any of our LAN wire runs, can I benefit from higher rated cables? - Are there any other hardware details to keep in mind? Motherboard or card, router/switch, cables NAS ... miss anything? - Running multiple computer stations; do they ALL need to be upgraded to more than 1Gbe (say 5 or 10) in order for the aggregated 2Gbe to work, or can one main station enjoy the 2Gbe and other stations continue with just 1Gbe, or can the router not do that? - Running windows systems; will we run into conflicts with this change for other regular router usage or windows / browser operations? - And finally; how do we software enable all this on the NAS, and how do we discover and monitor actual LAN speed improvements in DS? This might be worth a series of deep dive videos, once the new product lines are covered and you slow down a bit.
Link aggregation does NOT benefit a single user in the way one might think. No, you don't get double or quadruple access speeds (2 nic, 4 nic). What it does is allow less bottlenecks if there are 2 or more simultaneous users/devices. So with 1 nic, you are using the NAS at full speed just fine, and then your spouse/partner jumps on and tries to use it as well. Now the speed is split between the both of you. Instead of 110mb/s for you, your speed drops to 55, and your spouse also gets 55, until one of your tasks is complete. If you have 2 nics, plugged in, with aggregation, you are still only going to get 110mb/s speeds, whether or not you are the sole user. If someone else uses the NAS at the same time as you, they ALSO get full 110mb/s speeds (max, of course, in theory) without affecting your usage. Oh, and for the m2 cache options... if you only install one, it only helps you when writing to the NAS. The 2nd one works when reading from the NAS. (or vice versa) Either way, you need BOTH to cache read and write.
The x20+ series is the first generation Synology that made me switch to QNAP. The x20+ models all are all limited to (dual) 1GbE lan where QNAP with the x53D series has a 2.5GbE lan standard and has PCI support to upgrade to NVMe+10GbE lan in the future. It used to be that the software of Synology was way better than Qnap but the differences are small in 2020. Y Synology and qnap are Chinese companies which could be a bit tricky with my personal data in these times of information wars. But if you look passed the network speed limitations, the model line-up from synology is still very strong, and worth to consider if you are into the Synology OS and software support.
I can understand that you want 2.5Gb, thing is though that there is pretty much no switch out there that isn't a combined 2.5/5/10G switch. Therefore it's not gonna be cheap and you could likely just buy another device and go 10Gb. I can see the upgrade path for sure with QNAP, but their OS is just horrible compared to Synology
Most of these NAS comparisons effectively push the higher end machines. What is more reasonable is to ask where my use is likely to be in the next 5 years, and choose the box that will handle that. The reason is, of course, that any NAS purchased will be yesterday’s device in 5 years, and moving into obsolescence in 7-8. And a superseded unit can still be great as an on or off-site backup unit, which is what my venerable DS213 is doing in retirement.
I have some questions. 1. My goal is to set up a Plex Media Server. Lots of movies and music 2. I need to back up/store photographs, lots of them. 3. For the DS420 , can you start with 2 drives? If so adding drives is done by pairs or singly? Same size or different sizes? 4. Is there a certain brand of NAS drive that is the best? Good video. Thanks for your help.
I will get a DS920+ because it's the no compromise solution and not that much more expensive than the other models. Dual GBit Lan is enough for me as all of my Routers and Switches only have 1Gbit ports
I know very little about tech but this was very descriptive, enough for me to understand, truly helpful ++ i will be purchasing the ds720+ based off your recommendation ++++
As a new NAS user I am a little confused with terms like containers, sandbox and VM. I'd suggest you give a bit more context when throwing out these terms, since a lot of your viewers are new to NAS. After a quick google search I'm a little bit more informed.
Hi! Ik have been watching a lot of your video's beacause in looking for a nas. Al lot of the videos when its about multimedia ar about Plex and transcoding. I am using Plex on a shield and a zidoo media player so there is no need for transcoding. What would be the right pick for me? Looking for a 4 Bay system. Thanks again for everything you do for the community!!!
The new ds?20+ series is NG for me with the new 2 port USB3 policy. Even in a private environment you need 2 USB ports at the back. One for a PSU unit and one for a backup unit like a large USB-HDD at home or a Tape-Drive in a small business case. All of these should be connected directly to the NAS and at the rear for safety reasons. I think my next NAS is a ds1819+ since it has everything I need and it is better expandable.
Thank you so much for this. I think I may go 920 instead of 923 because the chip change will make some things hard to do for me. Do Synology drop prices to move stock when new models launch?
Can the DS920 handle like me and 2 other people using it from like anywhere on the internet? we are looking for a server were we can share all our footage to other people for editing.
I'd love to see tutorials. 2 bay NAS J series but I want to have a backup for it with 1 bay NAS. Is there a setup if 2bay fails that 1 bay automatically comes online and replaces primary 2 bay?
If you wanted one of the options with more bays, if you only wanted to start with two HDD could you run it that way until ready to upgrade for more volume? Or do these require all bays to be filled?
Hi, After watching your videos for months now, very informative and thanx. I have a couple questions re; DS920+. 1)is the Synology's RAM D4NESO-2666-4G for the DS920+ a must? if not which other brands are recommended, etc; Samsung, Kingston or Crucial. 2)M.2 2280 NVMe SSD size is dictated by what, size or $? PS: Just found and read your "Synology NAS Unofficial Memory Upgrade Guide" back on 9th May, Thanks for that, now any article on the Cache? lol I just bought the DS920+ and want to set it and forget it .
It is HIGHLY recommended to go with the D4NESO to avoid warranty issues. As for the NVMe, whatever you do, you must fill BOTH slots to get cache for reads & writes (otherwise you just get reads)
Do you know if synology has plan to officially enable nvme drives to be used as storage devices(I know you can use cmdline to do that but it sounds a bit risk because it's not official supported)
Man I wish they would release a 5 bay model this year, still using my old DS1515+ going strong but starting to show it's age now! Also had the entire unit swapped two years + ago due to that processor issue at the time. Worried this DS1515+ will go bang at some point..
@@aware24 Good to know. But what I don't like about the X20's is the limited ram upgrade. The DS1019 for example can get 16 GB of ram (unofficially). But the 20's seem to be limited due to the built in ram
question:i have bought a ds412+ i upgraded the Ram to 4GB now with the DSM 8 the DS412+ is not supported iam i light user torrents download station and watching .265 should i upgrade now to DS418?
There are videos that help with the model naming convention. Last 2 digits is the year of release. The numbers to the left of that indicate how many drive bays you can have with the extention appliances, in theory. So a 2 bay with not expandable would be 2YY, while expandable 2 bays would be 7YY. (expandable units house 5 drives) If there are 2 digits to the left of the year, and it starts with a 1, then it can connect to TWO expandable appliances, hence, 10 drives plus the onboard bays in the appliance you are looking at. re: 1820 = 8 bay, that came out in 2020. Any letter(s) that come to the right of the year, if any, indicate something too. "J" series are low end, less features. No letter is middle of the road, and the "+" indicates high end. "Play" is also middle road, and "Slim" just means they only accommodate 2.5" drives.
Can you start with the 220+ then pull the mirrored drives out and plug them in a 920+ when you’re looking to expand in the future? Will those mirrored drives work?
So I'm new to NAS storage - I'm a single user with a couple of machines around the house looking for backup mainly, need about 10TB of storage. What's my best option for number of bays/raid config etc.?
Go with the "J" series rather than the plus "+" series. Much cheaper (with less features [that you say you don't need]) Or go with the NON [J/+/Slim] models, slightly better than J series, it's middle-of-the-road. For 10TB of storage, do you want to have redundancy? Or the storage is in-and-of-itself redundant? There are 1 bays available, for a max 16TB. Or try 2 bays in RAID-0 (no redundancy), but with smaller drives. (say two 6TB drives costs 120+120=$240, vs one 12TB drive that costs $400)
At 14:40 you state the DS920+ is future proof ... seems Synology have now discontinued this model and they tell me that 'The DS920+ will still be supported for on average another 6 years in terms of DSM updates' wow that is not really future proof is it ... oh well think will give up on NAS as looks like not going to find another that will suit my needs.
"all the software comes with a lifetime warranty within the lifespan of your product" what does it mean? is it the same as autodesk stop giving activation keys after 10 years? for lifetime licence?
@J Hemphill ofc they can say nothing but its part of their advertaisment for the product more people will buy it so more profit for synology or autodesk.
I have a huge issue and no idea how fix it… I am using raid 0 and just went into my Synology NAS to find a drive crashed… what do I do? It says data might be corrupt due to bad sectors… am I don’t for? Some files are there and the NAS DSM but some folders are just showing nothing…. This is a problem 😔 tell me it can be fixed and without expense because otherwise I might be in trouble!
I'm sorry to say, but you're F*cked. (If you don't have the files copied anywhere else, that is... .laptop, desktop, etc) This is why raid-0 is not recommended. Hard drives don't last forever. And if you used the default raid-1 (2 or more drive bays) you would have less storage space, but have redundancy for the inevitable drive failure. It would give you time to buy and install a new drive. Follow the 3-2-1 rule. Have 3 copies of your valuable data, on at least 2 types of appliances/devices, and 1 should be off-site in case of fire or theft. Which means, photos on your phone, on your NAS, and in the cloud, count towards the 321 rule. But, not everything can be that inexpensive to operate. I have my home videos and video projects on my desktop, on my NAS, and on an external hard drive that I keep at my mom's house. Every month, I use a separate external drive, back up my important files, and then visit my parents house and switch out the drives. I come home with the one I had at her house, ready for next month's update.
Excellent review but can someone help with a question. Why replacing apple, google, msft cloud drive cost of 120$ per year give or take for 2TB, with upfront cost of about +660$. Technically for +600$ you get multiple years of cloud storage (which gives you off premise storage in case of fire), and assuming you need to upgrade NAS and cloud providers will increase capacity on high tiers over time, why not just stick with apple, Google, MSFT? Curious for input, especially if I don’t plan to use security camera and for streaming use netflix.
it's a good question. In the end I spent more money them I would for 5-10 years of 2TB cloud storage and Netflix. Especailly if I add the side costs like a static IP (which is much better than the proxies). A NAS is a bit a hobby. However there are some advantages. If you need more than 2TB like 5 or 10. You basically can't pay for that on the cloud. it scales better. I could easily go to net 30TB in a 920 without huge Costs. Even in Backplaze that would be 150$ a month. If you get a fast one like the 920 performance is much better too.you are only limited by your network. And finally I like the control. I like my fotos in folders in the format I choose and me being able to use a serverside software of my choice. I can access them through Syrology drive or samba on my PC directly even if I don't have the space on my PC. Backing them up was a nightmare before. The Synology Backup software alone is worth the price IMO. I love Plex. But if you don't enjoy tinkering with Tech I would stick with cloud services too.
@@benjaminleonhardi3830 Yep that makes total sense actually. I am bumping the 2 TB and I do need the control. Ok you got me, I am doing it. Thank you for taking the time and replying to me.
You can use just ONE drive to start. You would NOT be getting the option for redundancy, however. (same as if you started with 2 or more drives in RAID-0, meaning, NO redundancy) Also, for redundancy, the RAID volume is based on the SMALLER drive capacity. You can't mirror 4TB of data (drive 1) in a 3TB drive (drive 2). You need to think ahead of how you want to use your NAS. Always use same-size drives, [or bigger (but you 'lose' the overhead (as dead storage) until you upgrade all drives to the bigger size)]
V good question! So, the main factor is RAID. when you have multiple drives all in a single enclosure/box, you can create a large blob of storage by combining them (eg turn 4x 2TB HDDs into a single 8TB visible blob of storage). Now these RAID configurations vary and some provide maximum storage, some provide safety nets (known as redundancy) that protect your data if a single HDD fails/dies. However almost all RAID configs effectively multiply the typical HDD performance, as they involve read/write actions happening on all drives at once (as opposed to a single HDD). This means that the performance increases notably. That's why multi bay solutions can benefit from 10Gb/s or 1,000MB/s connections. Hope that helps and I hope you enjoyed my video!
@@nascompares YES thank you! I couldn’t find anyone explaining that. They would just talk about the drives in terms of storage quantity and then talk about the speed of connectivity. But not about the specifics of how disc speed is increased by raid, and how the correlates to the ethernet speeds. I also haven’t seen enough people talk about the types of cables being used to make sure they can carry the bandwidth that the ports and drive allow. I feel like someone needs to make a video on optimizing that flow for speed.
Well ... sure at first glance it may seem confusing to those who come into it knowing nothing about the product line or nas products, but 5 minutes in everyone can say 'oh, ok i get it': Chassis-Hard drives-Year-series - DS; 'DiskStation', to separate it from enterprise products - first number; how many hard drives the box has the capacity to support regardless of the bay count it has, - second number; the model version, which is the year of release, - series; J for cheap ... think junior, Value for intermediate, + or plus is the high end. This particular part of the nomenclature is odd and doesnt mean much at a glance, but there ya go. In a world of alphanumeric product names that have zero relation to whats in the box, Synology actually have a naming concept that makes sense to what ya get.
@@JustinWatson23 @Ricardo - I wish they use that distinction in the naming convention. ie: DS5e220+ vs DS720+ then you would always know, on paper, how many bays in the appliance, and how many it can expand with. DS1820 vs DS10e820+, DS920+ vs DS5e420+
I was looking to buy a DS420+ to stream my large movie collection from. This video made me aware of the DS920+, which, amazingly is only $NZ60 (£30) more than the DS420+ here in New Zealand. Absolute no brainer. Thanks for this great video.
I waited, waited, waited ... and pulled the trigger on a 918+ after noticing the 920+ soldered on half the ram and didnt go 2.5Gbe. The slight bump up in CPU power wont affect my use. In the end theres just not enough to justify.
I saved a lot $, as I caught the 918+ on a sale day after the 20 series hit the market, so saved a bundle over its own price just a couple weeks earlier.
Hi David, I am also planning to get the 918+. Coud you please check if this supports the logitech media server as one of its package app. Cheers Tony
@@tonych318 Yes it does, I'm running it and it's fine
All these comparisons ... when you going to make a chart?
their website offers a full side by side compare.
I have been looking at NAS for awhile.
I started out wanting to get a Synology DS2XX. The more I research and compare, I have come to my conclusion.
In Singapore,
DS220J - SGD$229 (USD$170)
DS920+ - SGD$849 (USD$624)
For those who most probably won't be scaling up, get the DS220J. For those who wants to prepare / have the option to scale up, get the DS920+. If on budget, get DS220J.
I need to buy my first nas :) Thanks for that video.
Good review. I picked up the 920 when amz was having a sale this past summer. Upgraded from a drobo. World of difference
I used your videos when I bought my first NAS last year. Got a DS218+ does the job for now. If I have the money I’d upgrade to the 920+
Thanks, makes me happy with my recent DS720+ purchase. It is like greased lightning compared with my seven year old WD MyClouds (which have never missed a beat by the way).
With recent hardware issue WD is having due to the security failings of OS3, which now makes the My Cloud Mirror unsupported. I'm looking into getting a Synology because even though for the most part the my cloud hasn't had any data losing mess up, but it also hasn't always been a walk in the park. I've had the mirror for about 7 years I think maybe 5, so it's definitely time to upgrade the drives & enclosure. Did you use WD Red drives when you made the switch? If so were there ever any comparability issues?
@@cwillis92 Yes, very disappointed in WD with their poor options for replacing the MyClouds. I liked them because they were nice and simple, but also had the Safepoint feature which i used for scheduled backups (the aut scheduling on mine stopped working but otherwise they were great). I also would have bought a Netgear NAS because I've had a really good run from their other gear over the years and to reduce security risk from Chyna but there was simply nothing in stock at the time here in NZ.
I went with 2x WD 14TB Red NAS HDD , 3.5" SATA3 512MB Cache, Designed and tested for RAID environments 1-8 Bay NAS,3 Years warranty (MPN: WD140EFFX) and been running them for 12 mths now, haven't missed a beat. I have them setup in simple RAID 1 config so that if I decide to move away from Synology in the future I can. In hindsight economically I would have been better off with the 920+ and 4x smaller drives, or the two large ones and room to upgrade them later, but I figure I'll be upgrading the whole unit after 5-6 years anyway. Apart from concern over the vulnerability of Taiwan to Chyna I'm very happy with this setup, and big thanks to NASCompares and SpaceRex for making it very easy to select which unit and drives, and how to setup and config it.
@@waterbourne9282 appreciate the reply this definitely helps figure out what to do since after next month the enclosure won't have really any level of security.
If I want the powerful features but am happy initially with two bays but perhaps later want a bit more, then it seems to me rather than get the 720 with later the full expansion module, I'd be better to get the 920 straight away but start off just using two bays for just like €100 more .. Does that seem like a good way to think about it, or is there any other consideration?
I have the same question. Did you ever determine an answer?
Best explanation on TH-cam between the Synology servers. Looking for a comparison between 920+ and 1522+. Thanks for taking the time in doing such a great review.
Kind of wish they had a 10GB network card option on the DS920+. Any chance you could do a performance test with Link Aggregation on 920+?
NASCompares - Robbie; Re: Link aggregation.
One thing that is always talked about but not detailed, is about benefiting from the second LAN jack on our NAS 'with link aggregation and port trunking enabled'. There will be a lot of us who hear that as;
"With a better router / switch and a more than 1Gbe jack on my motherboard (or on a pci card)
it sounds like I can literally double my NAS access speed',
... but how does this all plug in together?
Is this the correct way to think about this?
How do I make it happen?
Questions from the truly newb perspective, just jumping into the NAS world:
- How fast/what capabilities does the router/switch and computer hardware LAN parts need to have?
- Are we talking 2 physical cat ethernet wires running from the switch to the NAS? Does the cat variant matter? Cat5, cat6, cat7 for any of our LAN wire runs, can I benefit from higher rated cables?
- Are there any other hardware details to keep in mind? Motherboard or card, router/switch, cables NAS ... miss anything?
- Running multiple computer stations; do they ALL need to be upgraded to more than 1Gbe (say 5 or 10) in order for the aggregated 2Gbe to work, or can one main station enjoy the 2Gbe and other stations continue with just 1Gbe, or can the router not do that?
- Running windows systems; will we run into conflicts with this change for other regular router usage or windows / browser operations?
- And finally; how do we software enable all this on the NAS, and how do we discover and monitor actual LAN speed improvements in DS?
This might be worth a series of deep dive videos, once the new product lines are covered and you slow down a bit.
I would love to hear the answers to this questions.
There should be like 1 billion documents and videos about link aggregation on the internet, it is not a new technology.
Link aggregation does NOT benefit a single user in the way one might think. No, you don't get double or quadruple access speeds (2 nic, 4 nic). What it does is allow less bottlenecks if there are 2 or more simultaneous users/devices.
So with 1 nic, you are using the NAS at full speed just fine, and then your spouse/partner jumps on and tries to use it as well. Now the speed is split between the both of you. Instead of 110mb/s for you, your speed drops to 55, and your spouse also gets 55, until one of your tasks is complete.
If you have 2 nics, plugged in, with aggregation, you are still only going to get 110mb/s speeds, whether or not you are the sole user. If someone else uses the NAS at the same time as you, they ALSO get full 110mb/s speeds (max, of course, in theory) without affecting your usage.
Oh, and for the m2 cache options... if you only install one, it only helps you when writing to the NAS. The 2nd one works when reading from the NAS. (or vice versa) Either way, you need BOTH to cache read and write.
Wow that was a great video for someone deliberating over which one to buy. Well done.
The x20+ series is the first generation Synology that made me switch to QNAP.
The x20+ models all are all limited to (dual) 1GbE lan where QNAP with the x53D series has a 2.5GbE lan standard and has PCI support to upgrade to NVMe+10GbE lan in the future.
It used to be that the software of Synology was way better than Qnap but the differences are small in 2020.
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Synology and qnap are Chinese companies which could be a bit tricky with my personal data in these times of information wars.
But if you look passed the network speed limitations, the model line-up from synology is still very strong, and worth to consider if you are into the Synology OS and software support.
Synology is from Taiwan, there is a big difference between mainland China and Taiwan.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synology
Thank you Asim.
I can understand that you want 2.5Gb, thing is though that there is pretty much no switch out there that isn't a combined 2.5/5/10G switch. Therefore it's not gonna be cheap and you could likely just buy another device and go 10Gb. I can see the upgrade path for sure with QNAP, but their OS is just horrible compared to Synology
Most of these NAS comparisons effectively push the higher end machines. What is more reasonable is to ask where my use is likely to be in the next 5 years, and choose the box that will handle that. The reason is, of course, that any NAS purchased will be yesterday’s device in 5 years, and moving into obsolescence in 7-8. And a superseded unit can still be great as an on or off-site backup unit, which is what my venerable DS213 is doing in retirement.
Reached the end of this video and thought "that was a quick 18 minutes"... then realised I quite comfortably watched it at 1.5x... ahem.
I have some questions. 1. My goal is to set up a Plex Media Server. Lots of movies and music 2. I need to back up/store photographs, lots of them. 3. For the DS420 , can you start with 2 drives? If so adding drives is done by pairs or singly? Same size or different sizes? 4. Is there a certain brand of NAS drive that is the best? Good video. Thanks for your help.
I will get a DS920+ because it's the no compromise solution and not that much more expensive than the other models. Dual GBit Lan is enough for me as all of my Routers and Switches only have 1Gbit ports
Great video, you changed my mind and I'm now going for the DS920+
I know very little about tech but this was very descriptive, enough for me to understand, truly helpful ++ i will be purchasing the ds720+ based off your recommendation ++++
All your videos made me regret my purchase of DS420+
Lemme guess, the 420 got you?
Your videos have been incredible useful in making my NAS decision! Thank you
Very useful video, thanks. It was very helpful in my decision for my purchase of the DS720+
DS920+ is future-proof, except it lacks 10GbE which might become a thing any time soon.
not for home networks its not
As a new NAS user I am a little confused with terms like containers, sandbox and VM. I'd suggest you give a bit more context when throwing out these terms, since a lot of your viewers are new to NAS. After a quick google search I'm a little bit more informed.
Hi! Ik have been watching a lot of your video's beacause in looking for a nas. Al lot of the videos when its about multimedia ar about Plex and transcoding. I am using Plex on a shield and a zidoo media player so there is no need for transcoding. What would be the right pick for me? Looking for a 4 Bay system. Thanks again for everything you do for the community!!!
Hi @NASCompares, any suggestions on the SSD upgrade for our DS920+? or do you have a separate video for that? Thank you in advance! :)
My new favorite TH-camr...
The new ds?20+ series is NG for me with the new 2 port USB3 policy. Even in a private environment you need 2 USB ports at the back. One for a PSU unit and one for a backup unit like a large USB-HDD at home or a Tape-Drive in a small business case. All of these should be connected directly to the NAS and at the rear for safety reasons. I think my next NAS is a ds1819+ since it has everything I need and it is better expandable.
So handy in helping me figure out which one I want to get. Thank you.
Thank you so much for this. I think I may go 920 instead of 923 because the chip change will make some things hard to do for me. Do Synology drop prices to move stock when new models launch?
Brilliant information-well presented- useful!!!! Thanks man!
Thank you. I really needed this info.
720+ has same processor as 920+, why does synology recommends using only 6gb ram on one and 8 on another? whats the catch?
You proved that I've made the right choice. Thank you
Would a USB 3.0 2.5GB adapter work on the DS220+?
great comparison and conclusion. thanks from Germany!
Great comparison. Helped me to decide!
17:34 “It’s a NAS”, great sales pitch!
Lol, I'm not a salesman!
I think he said "into NAS"
Can the DS920 handle like me and 2 other people using it from like anywhere on the internet? we are looking for a server were we can share all our footage to other people for editing.
Thank you for the breakdown,
Great overview!!!
I'd love to see tutorials. 2 bay NAS J series but I want to have a backup for it with 1 bay NAS. Is there a setup if 2bay fails that 1 bay automatically comes online and replaces primary 2 bay?
If you wanted one of the options with more bays, if you only wanted to start with two HDD could you run it that way until ready to upgrade for more volume? Or do these require all bays to be filled?
Hi,
After watching your videos for months now, very informative and thanx. I have a couple questions re; DS920+.
1)is the Synology's RAM D4NESO-2666-4G for the DS920+ a must? if not which other brands are recommended, etc; Samsung, Kingston or Crucial.
2)M.2 2280 NVMe SSD size is dictated by what, size or $?
PS: Just found and read your "Synology NAS Unofficial Memory Upgrade Guide" back on 9th May, Thanks for that, now any article on the Cache? lol
I just bought the DS920+ and want to set it and forget it .
It’s a disappointing to see he doesn’t reply to such detailed questions.
It is HIGHLY recommended to go with the D4NESO to avoid warranty issues. As for the NVMe, whatever you do, you must fill BOTH slots to get cache for reads & writes (otherwise you just get reads)
The internal name can be used as a volume to save applications..better solution then cache.
Thanks for the video. Does synology provide cloud service or is it just a physical backup storage? I'm looking for a cloud service larger than 2TB.
If you use Windows then backblaze is the cheapest for unlimited storage
Do you know if synology has plan to officially enable nvme drives to be used as storage devices(I know you can use cmdline to do that but it sounds a bit risk because it's not official supported)
Man I wish they would release a 5 bay model this year, still using my old DS1515+ going strong but starting to show it's age now!
Also had the entire unit swapped two years + ago due to that processor issue at the time.
Worried this DS1515+ will go bang at some point..
On their website is the "new" DS1520+.
the cost between these lot, I would only consider the 920+. the HDD will cost the most.
Would you recommend the DS920 over the DS1019 ?
id also like to know this
The 918+ is the same 1019+ except with 1 extra hard drive bay
@@aware24 Good to know. But what I don't like about the X20's is the limited ram upgrade. The DS1019 for example can get 16 GB of ram (unofficially). But the 20's seem to be limited due to the built in ram
I would like to ask what peripheral support cabling and docks that one would need to get these going?
Are there any 3rd party pcie 10gb-tbase you recommend? Would Span.com install the pcie 10gb card and memory for me and I’m sold!
question:i have bought a ds412+ i upgraded the Ram to 4GB now with the DSM 8 the DS412+ is not supported iam i light user torrents download station and watching .265 should i upgrade now to DS418?
This is exactly what i needed as the product names made no sense for me. I'm looking to replace my old WD ex4 that performs very poorly.
Glad this was of help dude
There are videos that help with the model naming convention. Last 2 digits is the year of release. The numbers to the left of that indicate how many drive bays you can have with the extention appliances, in theory. So a 2 bay with not expandable would be 2YY, while expandable 2 bays would be 7YY. (expandable units house 5 drives)
If there are 2 digits to the left of the year, and it starts with a 1, then it can connect to TWO expandable appliances, hence, 10 drives plus the onboard bays in the appliance you are looking at. re: 1820 = 8 bay, that came out in 2020.
Any letter(s) that come to the right of the year, if any, indicate something too. "J" series are low end, less features. No letter is middle of the road, and the "+" indicates high end. "Play" is also middle road, and "Slim" just means they only accommodate 2.5" drives.
Can you start with the 220+ then pull the mirrored drives out and plug them in a 920+ when you’re looking to expand in the future? Will those mirrored drives work?
Yes!
Thank you very much !!
You might want to check out the autogenerated captions.
So I'm new to NAS storage - I'm a single user with a couple of machines around the house looking for backup mainly, need about 10TB of storage. What's my best option for number of bays/raid config etc.?
Go with the "J" series rather than the plus "+" series. Much cheaper (with less features [that you say you don't need])
Or go with the NON [J/+/Slim] models, slightly better than J series, it's middle-of-the-road.
For 10TB of storage, do you want to have redundancy? Or the storage is in-and-of-itself redundant? There are 1 bays available, for a max 16TB. Or try 2 bays in RAID-0 (no redundancy), but with smaller drives. (say two 6TB drives costs 120+120=$240, vs one 12TB drive that costs $400)
At 14:40 you state the DS920+ is future proof ... seems Synology have now discontinued this model and they tell me that 'The DS920+ will still be supported for on average another 6 years in terms of DSM updates' wow that is not really future proof is it ... oh well think will give up on NAS as looks like not going to find another that will suit my needs.
Very useful. Thank you.
"all the software comes with a lifetime warranty within the lifespan of your product" what does it mean? is it the same as autodesk stop giving activation keys after 10 years? for lifetime licence?
@J Hemphill ofc they can say nothing but its part of their advertaisment for the product more people will buy it so more profit for synology or autodesk.
I have a huge issue and no idea how fix it… I am using raid 0 and just went into my Synology NAS to find a drive crashed… what do I do?
It says data might be corrupt due to bad sectors… am I don’t for?
Some files are there and the NAS DSM but some folders are just showing nothing…. This is a problem 😔 tell me it can be fixed and without expense because otherwise I might be in trouble!
I'm sorry to say, but you're F*cked. (If you don't have the files copied anywhere else, that is... .laptop, desktop, etc)
This is why raid-0 is not recommended. Hard drives don't last forever. And if you used the default raid-1 (2 or more drive bays) you would have less storage space, but have redundancy for the inevitable drive failure. It would give you time to buy and install a new drive.
Follow the 3-2-1 rule. Have 3 copies of your valuable data, on at least 2 types of appliances/devices, and 1 should be off-site in case of fire or theft.
Which means, photos on your phone, on your NAS, and in the cloud, count towards the 321 rule. But, not everything can be that inexpensive to operate. I have my home videos and video projects on my desktop, on my NAS, and on an external hard drive that I keep at my mom's house. Every month, I use a separate external drive, back up my important files, and then visit my parents house and switch out the drives. I come home with the one I had at her house, ready for next month's update.
Yoo late i already bought the DS920+
Can I reuse my DX513 with this new DS720+ ?, interfaces are the same.
Yes
Can you attatch a USB ethernet card and use it for 10Gb transmission ?
Excellent review but can someone help with a question. Why replacing apple, google, msft cloud drive cost of 120$ per year give or take for 2TB, with upfront cost of about +660$. Technically for +600$ you get multiple years of cloud storage (which gives you off premise storage in case of fire), and assuming you need to upgrade NAS and cloud providers will increase capacity on high tiers over time, why not just stick with apple, Google, MSFT?
Curious for input, especially if I don’t plan to use security camera and for streaming use netflix.
it's a good question. In the end I spent more money them I would for 5-10 years of 2TB cloud storage and Netflix. Especailly if I add the side costs like a static IP (which is much better than the proxies). A NAS is a bit a hobby. However there are some advantages. If you need more than 2TB like 5 or 10. You basically can't pay for that on the cloud. it scales better. I could easily go to net 30TB in a 920 without huge Costs. Even in Backplaze that would be 150$ a month. If you get a fast one like the 920 performance is much better too.you are only limited by your network. And finally I like the control. I like my fotos in folders in the format I choose and me being able to use a serverside software of my choice. I can access them through Syrology drive or samba on my PC directly even if I don't have the space on my PC. Backing them up was a nightmare before. The Synology Backup software alone is worth the price IMO. I love Plex. But if you don't enjoy tinkering with Tech I would stick with cloud services too.
@@benjaminleonhardi3830 Yep that makes total sense actually. I am bumping the 2 TB and I do need the control. Ok you got me, I am doing it. Thank you for taking the time and replying to me.
Also, you are at the mercy of internet connection, when you're home. Internet not needed for local network access.
On the DS920+ do you have to run all four bays to start. Or can you just run two bays and can add the other two latter on?
You can use just ONE drive to start. You would NOT be getting the option for redundancy, however. (same as if you started with 2 or more drives in RAID-0, meaning, NO redundancy)
Also, for redundancy, the RAID volume is based on the SMALLER drive capacity. You can't mirror 4TB of data (drive 1) in a 3TB drive (drive 2). You need to think ahead of how you want to use your NAS. Always use same-size drives, [or bigger (but you 'lose' the overhead (as dead storage) until you upgrade all drives to the bigger size)]
Excellent video
Cheers buddy
The DS 220+ isn't available in Germany until now
Can someone explain why 10GBs Ethernet matters if drive speeds are 250MBs
V good question! So, the main factor is RAID. when you have multiple drives all in a single enclosure/box, you can create a large blob of storage by combining them (eg turn 4x 2TB HDDs into a single 8TB visible blob of storage). Now these RAID configurations vary and some provide maximum storage, some provide safety nets (known as redundancy) that protect your data if a single HDD fails/dies. However almost all RAID configs effectively multiply the typical HDD performance, as they involve read/write actions happening on all drives at once (as opposed to a single HDD). This means that the performance increases notably. That's why multi bay solutions can benefit from 10Gb/s or 1,000MB/s connections. Hope that helps and I hope you enjoyed my video!
@@nascompares YES thank you! I couldn’t find anyone explaining that. They would just talk about the drives in terms of storage quantity and then talk about the speed of connectivity. But not about the specifics of how disc speed is increased by raid, and how the correlates to the ethernet speeds. I also haven’t seen enough people talk about the types of cables being used to make sure they can carry the bandwidth that the ports and drive allow. I feel like someone needs to make a video on optimizing that flow for speed.
DS220+ is still not available in Europe :(
What about the DS220j ?
Nicely explained
The difference is about price.
Hahaha “oh look a new...OH GAWD NEW SYNOLOGIES”
🤘
I wish you would have done a sound check on your mic before recording this. Volume was so hard to hear
What are you listening on? Sounds fine to me.
Sounded perfect to me
Urghh I really don't know which one to get.
Is it me or are these expensive...
Yep.
They are over priced.
On closed Captions it says DiskStation Nazis LMFAO
NAS'es are SOOOOO expensive and last sooo short.. im pretty sure manufacturers intentionally makes bad designs so they fail.
I bought a Synology Ds212j back in 2013 and its still running strong... Only had to replace 1 hdd in that time too!
Synology still using the most illogical model numbers, almost as if they want to confuse users on purpose.
Well ... sure at first glance it may seem confusing to those who come into it knowing nothing about the product line or nas products, but 5 minutes in everyone can say 'oh, ok i get it':
Chassis-Hard drives-Year-series
- DS; 'DiskStation', to separate it from enterprise products
- first number; how many hard drives the box has the capacity to support regardless of the bay count it has,
- second number; the model version, which is the year of release,
- series; J for cheap ... think junior, Value for intermediate, + or plus is the high end. This particular part of the nomenclature is odd and doesnt mean much at a glance, but there ya go.
In a world of alphanumeric product names that have zero relation to whats in the box,
Synology actually have a naming concept that makes sense to what ya get.
DS920+ (Disk Station - 9 bays capacitiy - Year yy - plus/best series)
@@RicardoBeltran Although at first its confusing, cause there are only 4 bays, but the 920+ can have the 5 bay expansion added and the 420+ cannot.
@@JustinWatson23 @Ricardo - I wish they use that distinction in the naming convention. ie: DS5e220+ vs DS720+ then you would always know, on paper, how many bays in the appliance, and how many it can expand with. DS1820 vs DS10e820+, DS920+ vs DS5e420+
Synology is disapointing