I have to assume the BBC were sent a directive to defend and reinforced every stupid thing JK Rowling believes in, and this is just the natural result of them tripling down on that directive, because she's the only cultural remnant that washed up island has left.
If the article went through internal review and they admit to all these mistakes, that paints the BBC in a much worse light than if they just claimed they didn't read it before publishing
If they had any integrity everyone remotely involved in the “rigorous editing process” that let Cade’s involvement through and defended it till her Genocide Manifesto was published would be sacked and an investigation launched into how it happened and how to ensure it never happened again. Anything less is an absolute scandal.
BBC is a meme. We call shitty journalism "BBC standards". They lost a libel suit to goddamn Poroshenko! Like he's the guy who got more fake news and slander about him than anyone, but BBC was so bad they were actually proven to be full of shit and lying about Ukraine... in court. British court, no less. Biased court. Still losers!
It's so embarrassing that they'd rather write a million word response doubling down and defending this bad article instead of showing some self awareness and deleting it. It really is a deliberate agenda to put this message of trans sexual predators out there and not just a lazy editor or whatever.
Literally the most charitable interpretation is that theyre willing to sell and endorse this disgusting narrative, and completely unwilling to admit fault.
To be fair, just deleting it the first time would give conservatives another chance to call it cancel culture and complain about how “the left pressures organizations to bend to the will of woke-ism,” or something. By openly admitting to more and more flaws in the article, the reasons for (what I hope to be) its ultimate deletion can be well established. No ‘cancel culture,’ just bad journalism. Although I suppose there will always be those who will call any leftist response to criticism some conspiratorial effort of secret organization to take away free speech.
Liars, cynics, rapists, paedophiles, narcissists and psychopaths are wayyyyyy more common than trans people. So why on Earth would you be surprised if someone used the transgenderist religion (conpletely separate from real trans people) for their own sexual gratification? How naive are you?
@@gamj7509 Well the whole issue seems to be many of the progressives. Many tories are homophobic and transphobic, pro-LG transphobic activism is more of a progressive thing.
Why should they take down their opinion only because some people who get triggered easily over something as simple as a person having a different opinion than them said so? What will the BBC gain in return?
Love the new backgrounds by the way. It seems as though you are now living your best skull life as opposed to being stuck in a field or the dark void of space
@@mynamejeff3545 the game froze when he took out the floppy disk. And that seems to have been a while ago, because it looks like the floppy disk is starting to melt a little.
In a sea of performative allies and rainbow corporatism, I can't tell you how much it means to have this kind of support. Thank you for all of the time and energy that it must take to get to know these issues so well, and thank you for such an amazing effort to make it easier for others to do the same. Warms my lil' transgender heart.
This might be an odd question to ask here and I guess I could just google it but I prefer asking. Do being transgender mean that you have already transitioned or would someone who hasn’t transitioned yet but wants to still be considerd trans? Are there people born biologically male that feel like women but don’t want to transition and vice versa?
@@Too_Biased Transgender woman here: You actually don't need to transition to be transgender! Neither do you really need to want to do so I suppose. I mean there sure isn't any trans police to stop you identifying as something
@@Too_Biased Either or to be honest. NGL the "exact" definition of being trans can be hard to pin down. Consider a XX intersex person with De La Chappelle syndrome who identifies as female. Are they trans or not? On the "other end" (I feel super gross putting it this way) there's the stereotypical "XY trans woman" with an obvious beard who doesn't even want to go on HRT. Are they trans or not? In the grand scheme of things, there's no 100% clear cutoff for this, but if anything, the most common general rule is, regardless of actual genes, if you're AMAB and later identify as female, then you're trans. If you're AFAB and identify as male, then you're trans. Regardless of what you're assigned at birth, if you identify as neither, you're "probably?" trans. Edit: Revisiting this when I'm not drunk (why was I stupid enough to post comments on youtube while drunk? ugh), and this explanation is super problematic. A much better way to put answer the question is: no you don't have to transition or even have plans to transition to be trans. If you identify as a gender that's different from your assigned gender at birth, then you are most likely trans, but aren't necessarily so. For example, not all nonbinary people identify as trans.
The problem isn't that the article "fell below the BBC's standards", it's that it illustrated (and this piss-weak response continues to illustrate) exactly how low those standards are.
@Zendi bruh proofread your comments a little your transphobia & foolishness is already super embarrassing--you really didn't need to blunder your words too 🤣
"How BBC will do whatever mental cartwheels it takes to promote transphobic propaganda, part 4." As a trans person, I really appreciate all the work put on this videos, and the refusal to back down.
@Bronze Shield "Stop doing the thing we made up to justify our vicious, rabid hatred!" Stop PRETENDING to care about rape survivors to attack trans women.
The fact that a fourth one of these is necessary is a depressing view of how backwards the "woke" BBC is and how far right the country has become that BBC is seen as "woke"
@@Jarmint do you recall when the labourist party was promoting a form of socialism? A form that Karl Marx would be proud of. I do, and I'm not even British. Because the Labourist party used to make inroads in the USA.
@@Jarmint They didn't call the country far right, they said "How far right the country has become." As in, the country has moved further to the right And as an outsider looking in, I would agree.
What I really hate about this whole story is that it's been 8 months now, the article has already hurt people, the BBC published misinformation and it made its way into people's head. Fixing the article half a year after most people read it won't exactly do much. Hell, even retracting it won't do much. They need to publicly apologies, and to specifically start including trans people in their coverage of anything related to trans people. Otherwise, their article did the damage it was supposed to do.
Yeah that's basically the modus operandi of modern propagandists. Just shout what you want people to believe very loudly and very frequently because it doesn't really matter how much truth there is behind what's being said. Once the topic has been set, it's very hard to change people's first impressions.
Nope they need to FIRE TERFS FROM THE BOARD. And that will only happen through external demands. Most trans people who aren't talking to them, aren't talking to them because they don't want orgs with terfs at their head publishing either harmful or face saving coverage.
Trans people were invited to contribute but they refused. It is a legitimate topic and it isn't a figment of anyone's imagination. There are trans women holding seminars on how to "break the cotton ceiling", which means getting into a biological woman's underwear. Don't want a lady with a penis? Well then, you're a "genital fetishist that reduces a person to what is between their legs". Not attracted to trans people? Well, that makes you a transphobe. Yet you claim the article is baseless?
It’s crazy that the BBC are just choosing to act like the type of person you’d see arguing anonymously on the internet. Never admitting they’re wrong, constantly doubling down, misrepresenting other people’s points to ignore the flaws in theirs. You’d think they’d just apologise and delete the article, or even just delete the article and never mention it again; but instead they decided to die on this hill, defending the article
This isn't relevant to the topic of the video, but the background image you've included is lovely. It's very cozy and charming, and I think the glasses being taped on is a nice touch.
Stuff like this makes me so sad as a cis lesbian dating a trans woman. My girlfriend is the most kind, loving, silly girl I know and it makes me sick when women like these women speak for me. I'm just WAITING to encounter someone like this irl, my hands are rated E for everyone. Edit to add: Now she is my fiancée 👹
The BBC has a lot to answer for across many fields, but this one takes the cake. I had a middle aged straight white man accost me in the park after listening to Women's Hour post-Depp/Heard trial and his misogynist rant (where he pronounced that all modern feminists want to be victims... to a modern feminist) led directly into the phrase "And my son is gay... but why should we change bathrooms for 0.03% of the population? It's affecting my rights!" I just... so many levels of ignorance, bigotry and hate, the best I could do was attempt to dissuade him, recommend some actual trans sources he could get some info from and not rip his head off with my bare hands (since he spoke over everything I said, smiling and shaking his head, ignored my cis straight male companion who was expressing the same opinions as myself and also ignored his dog that he was walking, since the argument he was having with us was far more interesting) But if it helps, my area has gone Tory AF in the past decade so this isn't an average person's attitude across the board. I comfort myself with the knowledge that in times gone by, when the local Torys genuinely barricaded the polls so liberal locals couldn't vote, the lefties in my town waited outside, caught them as they left, stripped them naked and threw them in the river. Obviously we don't condone that kind of violence or sexual assault, but considering it was discussed in parliament whether to remove all voting rights from our area because we were TOO liberal at the time (fighting for suffrage decades before it became a thing here or down south), and they sent the army in, I'm fine with it as an historical instance. The town is Hawick in the Scottish Borders, btw. I'm hoping for a leftist resurgence soon, minus the fucking with people's bodily autonomy or voting rights.
@@fuckamericanidiot Well, maybe he actually accosted her. Have you considered that. What is she supposed to do, lie about it just to avoid "sounding like a victim"?
@@baguettegott3409 No, she's supposed to tell the truth. A man in a park walked up to her and started lecturing her about feminism? Bullshit. He probably made some innocent remark on a park bench, and then she started "educating him" with that Karen passive aggressive energy....and she didn't like what he had to say in response.
Just goes to show that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Pride started as a protest and it must continue that way - it has never been about having a party for a party's sake, as a lot of straight people seem to think. The parades and the parties are to bring awareness and some balance the extreme stress and misery that fighting for basic respect tends to cause. I still have yet to enjoy Pride for it's celebratory aspects, and I'm 32.
Leading the charge or merely a part of the charge, you're very loudly showing people that the BBC's bullshit doesn't fly and it's greatly appreciated by those which said bullshit is aimed at.
Yo I came out as trans in the interim between the first video and this one and I just want to say thanks for doing this stuff. It’s nice to know that cis people do care about the bbc pulling this garbage, at least sometimes.
@Bronze Shield "Stop expressing your opinions in any way, which I will call attention seeking because I choose to pretend to feel imposed upon by a trans person not being ashamed." This is your brain on culturally Christian morality.
Don't pay your tv licence. They'll write angry letters where they promise they're super serious. But they're not. They really can't do anything. If they come to your door, which they've promised me they will for years, just don't let them in. They can't without your permission. Or just tell them online that you don't watch bbc (To my knowledge I do not consume any media on my property covered by the tv licence)
I wish I could live in a world where a four-part video series about a transphobic article, and the continuing effort to play dumb, by the BBC was not necessary. But since we're not living in that world yet, thank you for all your work and effort, Shaun.
@@fuckamericanidiot What an inane question. When did sexism start? Half the population is affected by it, yet it is a challenge to put together a coherent historical narrative. Do you really expect transphobia to be easier to detect when the the relevant concepts has been redefined multiple times in the last century alone?
@@sable1334 Not at all dummy :) Everything has a birth. It's just an annoyance to your myopic view of the world. Is it inane, or a challenge? Pick one dunderhead.
"Actually we don't know whether this person mentioned in the article was a trans woman." Wow, maybe that statement shouldn't have been included in a context that implies it was about a trans woman, then.
@@jamesbaker9106 It's a bot net. They most certainly don't read responses. You can flag them for commercial content/spam, which I would suggest, but they'll just be back again with a new word in the message or new profile. TH-cam is kinda sh*t at handling this particular bot.
-no BLM video -no January 6 video -no Trucker protests video I like Shaun after years of following him, but he missed various topics and I would've liked to hear about them from him (even if his videos tend to be quite long).
@@oldstyle5114 he'll probably cover them after this whole saga, or in the meantime between installments. Shaun's video turnaround time has always been very long since he likes to really do his research. I'm sure we'll get something on those subjects at some point.
@@oldstyle5114 Its not up to you or me or anyone else, Shaun makes his content as he sees fit. You may have noticed that, for whatever reasons, Shaun doesn't release a large number of videos, per year and he is also from the UK. Right now, in the UK the persecution of Trans people, particularly in England, is coming from the media (bearing in mind that the BBC is funded by a license fee collected from each household) and the state and various other groups acting in bad faith trying to remove the hard-won rights of trans people (and as we have seen in the US) with a view to rolling back other members of the LGBTQ communities rights in the UK and thence on to ever more attacks on BAME in the UK. Perhaps if you are looking for videos that at least contain subjects that have relevance to the subjects you have mentioned, you could revisit other videos on this channel, perhaps if you still find that unsatisfactory, you could create in-depth and well researched videos on those topics.
@@oldstyle5114 you also have to keep in mind that writing videos about divisive topics takes time. If also love to see him talk about those topics, but he should do so at his own pace. Quality > Quantity
@@TheOnlyCathyCat While I understand the current situation, these events have been around for longer time than this one (in fact I was waiting for those videos even before the Terry Pratchett video). I know he was active on Twitter, but he has always done videos on such events (such as the one on Charlottesville).
Imagine if I wrote an article for the bbc “white men are feeling societal pressure to date black women” and then I just said racist shit and then bcc defends this article to the last
hey, the headline "white women are feeling societal pressure to date black men" feels more like the kind of stuff that would get racists REALLY upset. Protect white women and girls and all that...
“We checked it all and it was honestly fine when we published it” is, AT BEST, grounds for someone in the editor team getting fired. The BBC just wanted to be transphobic without consequences.
As a trans woman and lesbian I thank you for standing up for our rights in this matter. There is so much we have to deal with on a daily basis that issues like this can go under the radar. You are a true ally and a wonderful human. Thank you.
Thanks for still doing this. Tbh the BBC should not only delete that article, but also issue a public apology. They fucked up and honestly, should be legally condemned for incitement to hatred (or whatever the name of the law for this in the UK)
And it should be the end of the career of the author and everyone involved in the “editorial process” that let Cade’s contribution through and everyone involved in defending it for days until her Genocide Manifesto was published. And an investigation launched into how that happened and how to prevent anything like it happening again.
Me, describing my husband doting on me and giving me a romantic night when I would otherwise be too tired after work: "MY HUSBAND IS PRESSURING ME INTO SEX" Y'know, a completely neutral way to describe it. Could be taken whatever way
Yeah, I feel like they're hoping if they keep giving these half-assed, useless responses and these tiny edits to the article that people will just give up and forget about it 🙄
Thank you Shaun. The fact that the BBC is fighting this so hard really speaks to how deep transphobia can run in a government. I'm not from the UK but I've been watching this story closely and even wrote in a complaint. I hope my UK sisters stay safe out there.
Thank you for your continued support for the radical concept that trans people shouldn't be hunted down in the streets. I'm so very very tired and seeing this kind of tenacity makes me feel like I do have people that wish to protect us and maybe I can let my guard down, even for a second. I won't, but it's nice feeling like I and my siblings aren't the only ones here.
You absolutely aren't, the vitriolic temper tantrums of those who never matured beyond teenager intellect are just louder. Me and my gang of internet friends behave internally like a stereotypical group that would be bigoted, redpilled and all that shite (we aren't but our jokes and memery could fool people looking in) and one of them came out as trans after a few years and the group reacted in the best way possible in my opinion: We told her how glad we were she trusted us with this deep secret of hers, started referring to her as she/her like she wanted to and her new chosen name (with some stumbles obviously) and... That's it. She's still the same person with the only exception being that now our memes include banter about her "feminine arc", started by herself of course. Stay strong, however many or few you think support your right to be yourself there are so many more of us that don't say it loudly enough.
So in an attempt to justify not using Chelsea Poe’s interview and claiming ‘no one wanted to talk’ we’ve gone from ‘high profile trans women who have either written or spoken about sex and relationships’ in the article to ‘trans women [the author] regarded as high profile and who would have represented the view that lesbians should be open to dating trans women’ in the ECU statement. Even if this was actually believable it’s still one hell of a goalpost shift.
I remember when the article first came out. I lived in my previous flat at the time, a flat that I moved out of almost exactly 7 months ago as of writing this. It’s taken over half a year to get this response! It’s absolutely ridiculous and disgusting
Don't worry, Shaun-you're not asking too much. If those of us who are not members of the trans community don't stand up against injustices like this, we're not very good allies.
@@fuckamericanidiot social media has shown extensively to be a real driver in radicalisation, hatred, etc etc. To tell a trans person "you are not alone, you are valid and you deserve a good happy life" on the internet may even save their life. Definitely more useful than whatever the fuck you're doing.
Whenever something horrible happens to trans people, i go back to a Shaun vid for comfort. Seeing a cis person I respect stand up for trans people using by using both rationality and passion makes me feel like the world is a little bit more balanced in favor of good.
Thank you for being an ally who's willing to put the energy in to carrying this complaint! The main weapon of corporations and institutions is that they require a constant level of engagement to get change out of them, and a lot of minorities have other injustices to deal with and get ground down. For me, I'm an LGBTQ+ grad student with disabilities, and I can only spend so much of my time engaging in issues that are really important to me because I have a lot of stuff to deal with
The fact that this has to be the most complained about article or piece of media BBC or any major British broadcaster has ever received, is quite an achievement not even Brass Eye's special Peadogeddon will have got this many. Yet they still refuse to take it seriously which is rather odd.
I'd also like to point out that if the person they're referring to isn't a trans woman, then they should be writing a very different article about how rape exists.
As a cis lesbian who loves trans women, I would have loved to have been contacted by the BBC to talk about how amazing trans women are. If only that were the point of the article.
As a self-identified trans ally, today was the first time I’ve heard the word “bioessentialist.” I always appreciate that your videos truly give me a better understanding of the social issues taking place in the world. Cheers.
bioessentalsim is wrong, untill it's "OH my parents knew I was trans at a young age before I knew at age 15. always liked girly girl things, played like a girl, everything"
@@kaiyodei Just to be clear, I was not making any sort of value judgment on bioessentialism, merely saying that I had not heard the term before and learned about it through this video. Peace.
@@jmwmusic5665 ah. someone accused me of bioessentalism when I said "sperm is a male gamyte". what the person should of said "wellll you know, intersex people exist. some of them have internal testies with viable sperm even though they also have overies and a uterus and such"
@@kaiyodei About the parents thing, that's not *bio*essentialism. It has nothing to do with biology, it's about things society considers girly, liking dolls is not a biological trait. Not arguing whether this outlook is correct or useful, but it definitely has nothing to do with bioessentialism at all.
The BBC is really showing its support for only part of the lgbtq community with how many Ls they're taking Good on you for keeping up the pressure, and writing these excellent videos
"funnily" this is going more or less exactly as another complaints response chain i have witnessed from the bbc in the past. but maybe there are enough people involved this time to force them to admit to what they actually did wrong
After reading Ofcom's response I couldn't be more disappointed. They totally agree with the ECU's response, and say that the article did not discriminate and that the article is impartial because the article presents both sides. (to find it i just googled ofcom bbc trans)
honestly every time they dig their heels in makes them look that much worse and untrustworthy i'd love to see coverage of this from an unbigoted pov in a major publication to expose this level of institutional backing of bigotry
I have a degree in journalism from London, so I spent a lot of time working with people from the BBC. I can tell you that the BBC used to be an essential news outlet, notable for the fact it was publicly funded and therefore less biased. They also used to have a team that externally reviewed them, people OUTSIDE of the BBC that graded their accuracy and their impartiality. However, this external evaluation was dropped after the May/Corbyn election when they claimed the BBC were vastly over-representing the Tories and publishing negative things abt Corbyn. It hasn’t been brought back. The BBC as it used to be is not the BBC in its current iteration, and it’s so frustrating to see. Thank you for continuing to call them out.
You're a gem Shaun, it's so easy to just feel unheard or too divided to do anything about normalised transphobia (and, to a degree, homophobia through making fellow LGBT people sound like antagonists to one another to appease heteronormativity.) but seeing people using their platform to bring people together to fight against it is what keeps me hopeful
Awesome video, dude, I really appreciate your strategic approach to this transphobia. They really are dragging this out, but they just keep losing👏👏👏 Also, I'm taking a perspective drawing class and I might use your new Pong background as a reference for practice😂
For those, like myself, who are watching in the future, unfortunately the article is still live on the BBC, and the lie that "None of [the high profile trans women] wanted to speak to [the author]" is still in the article. The misgendering that was mentioned in the closing statements of the video is, of course, also unaddressed.
Bless you, Shaun. Your support for people is admirable. I'm glad to see you're far from giving up on this no matter how difficult they BBC tries to make it for you.
Thank you for continuing to do what you can! As a transwoman myself, I appreciate all the hard work people are doing to help stand up for me and other transgender individuals!
Honestly the BBC should probably have it's leadership replaced and externally investigated but, since this isn't an ideal world they'll probably continue to defend this article and write more that pretty much advocate for the same idea. And as someone who's non binary "I simply can't wait for they'll describe how everyone who is non binary acts". (This absurd situation continues )
Thing is it's political, tories have gotten a lot of their own into positions at the top of institutions like this. Same goes for other broadcasters. Of course this happens with other governments too.
Every time I hear about people being hated for being different, I always think of the song People are People by Depeche Mode. Even to this day it perfectly describes my inability to understand why people are so hateful of things that don't really matter.
It means so much that youve stood up for the community i'm a part of and been such a critical voice in calling out the BBCs transphobia, while shedding light on some of the stuggles and microagressions trans people face on a daily basis
Before we get into the, no doubt, depressing and deeply frustrating content of this video, let me just say that background is fantastic. Major props to the artist!
Their response to being called out for lying about not being able to find any high-profile trans women is really a bit of a giveaway. "No, what we really meant was that we couldn't get an interview with any trans women willing to perpetuate the idea that cis lesbians should feel pressure to date trans women. What could possibly be biased about our refusal to interview and publish trans women unless they could be useful to the narrative we swear we're not perpetuating?"
Thanks for this Shaun. Transphobia is growing an incredibly rapid rate and it's a scary time for sure. Thank you for tracking this along the entire way.
@Jean Sanchez Yep, it's a completely manufactured panic, and I don't think it's a coincidence that it just so happens that conservative churches are being ousted as pedophile rings left and right, while those same conservatives call everyone else pedophiles.
Seeing you continuing to stand with trans people in keeping pressure on the BBC is a positive reminder that these efforts by terfs and their ilk are not going to make the actual allies dip out, a reminder that is needed as libs and others who have never actually put in the legwork to be allies but claim the title, have been abandoning people because of their own ignorance. For anyone who has a problem with these efforts I also want to give a tidbit of info, namely that one of the tactics used by terfs is to exhaust, be it by bots or just random scattershot lies, as we have seen time and again. This strategy is one that has often only failed when another section of the movement perpetrating it fell and dragged them down too, as such, a situation is created where driving to exhaustion can be justified in this effort to put a stop to the efforts that they make to abuse trans people. I do hope everyone here has a wonderful day!
These videos have been not only an important call to action, but a concrete summation of the article and its story, and they've been really helpful for adding perspective to a project I'm working on, charting the history of TERF ideology. So, thanks, and thanks.
Also, I admit I was one of the people who originally had the impression that you were specifically "heading" this particular effort, until I was corrected in a stream chat, and I'm glad to hear that bit mentioned here (both because it's a good/important clarification to make and because it makes me feel like I wasn't the only one who had that misunderstanding).
People like you really give me hope. This year has been scary for trans folks, having our health care and rights attacked and there being constant threats to our well being on top of the platforming of Terfs who spew nothing but hate. But through it all, so many people have stepped up and chosen to help, people like you, and I just don’t have the words for how much it means to me. It’s just nice to know we’re not fighting alone.
When trans folks say we need cis folks to be our allies and advocates THIS IS WHAT WE MEAN. Too many of us are too fucking tired from day-to-day fighting of microagressions, transphobia, and constantly justifying our right to exist. Many of us dont have time for such an organised, structured, and dedicated mission you've undertaken. Dont have time to constantly argue tediously back & forth the BBC, and jumping through all their bureaucratic hoops made specifically to annoy/bore you into giving up. Glad there is someone else there to have out back and address the assinine but harmful shit we're too exhausted for. Folks utilizing the benefits of their privilege (ie free time available and the emotional energy not wasted fighting to exist) to actually stand up for those on the receiving end of oppression, is exactly what we need more of in the world.
i really appreciate your coverage on this, Shaun. mainstream media outlets (including the nyt, recently) have been incredibly fucking reactionary about trans issues and you’re honestly doing the most to engage with these people. thank you
I got suckered in with the harry potter video and now I have to evaluate the trustworthiness of a previously trusted news source. Oh how the rabbit hole goes.
I’m so glad you’ve made these videos I used to regard the BBC is a company of journalistic integrity but this video has proved to me how wrong I was and how damaging their reporting is to the trans community
I'm a trans woman and I just wanna to personally thank anyone who puts in the effort to call out this bullshit when it doesn't affect them, it honestly means so much to me that there are so many cis people willing to stand up for me and my trans siblings 💚💚
I have never sent in this many online complaints about something in my life before this, and frankly it's mind boggling that the bbc has gone through this many rounds of back and fourth just to avoid taking some damn accountability.
1:53 "Fell below the BBC STANDARDS OF ACCURACY"... That's quite a limbo! They do know that "BBC standards" has been a meme for a while, right? Like, there's NOT MUCH SPACE BELOW... author must have been bendy!
Is there anyway to get this into a guardian article or something that would give it more traction? Maybe DM a journalist that would be sympathetic like Owen Jones. This whole thing is a really good story about the BBC trying to cover up its awfulness and deserves more attention
Well watching these has ruined my day. As a trans woman I now know I should not take anything the BBC says about trans issues as being unbiased or true. The article is *STILL* up on their website and *STILL* includes the blatant lie of: "In addition to Veronica Ivy, I contacted several other high profile trans women who have either written or spoken about sex and relationships. None of them wanted to speak to me but my editors and I felt it was important to reflect some of their views in this piece." It is abundantly clear the BBC do not consider Transwomen to be a group worthy of journalistic protection and would rather pretend systemic problems are not addressable, rather than acknowledge fundamental flaws in their own content review process. This is very disappointing as I have enjoyed their content for years and am still willing to trust their reporting with the qualifier of "Except for anything relating to transpeople." I found out about this two years after this video was uploaded and the fact the article is sadly typical of how terf sentiments diffuse into mainstream society. I suppose the BBC could now claim the article needs to remain up for 'archival' purposes. I am going to rewatch the Harry Potter video to make myself feel better about never getting to read those books because my brother locked them in his room when I was growing up.
This is playing out as one of the greatest sagas in British bureaucratic pettiness of all time.
@Nachtalb the BBC's transphobia... it's over 9,000...
@im back boo not cool
I have to assume the BBC were sent a directive to defend and reinforced every stupid thing JK Rowling believes in, and this is just the natural result of them tripling down on that directive, because she's the only cultural remnant that washed up island has left.
@Nachtalb "What does the scouter say about [their] power level?"
"[That's] [Transphobic]"
"WHAT [TRANSPHOBIC!], THERE'S NO WAY THAT CAN BE RIGHT"
@i don't make memes boo not cool
"We're not wrong, basically everything about the article is wrong, but we _do_ like transphobia"
Some real "Ship of Theseus" stuff going on here. Everything in the article is wrong but somehow in totality they say that's fine?
@@apjapki Couldn't have said it better myself.
well, transphobia is just being correct about what a woman is
If the article went through internal review and they admit to all these mistakes, that paints the BBC in a much worse light than if they just claimed they didn't read it before publishing
If they had any integrity everyone remotely involved in the “rigorous editing process” that let Cade’s involvement through and defended it till her Genocide Manifesto was published would be sacked and an investigation launched into how it happened and how to ensure it never happened again.
Anything less is an absolute scandal.
BBC is a meme. We call shitty journalism "BBC standards". They lost a libel suit to goddamn Poroshenko! Like he's the guy who got more fake news and slander about him than anyone, but BBC was so bad they were actually proven to be full of shit and lying about Ukraine... in court. British court, no less. Biased court. Still losers!
@@baynemacgregor8441 "We apologize for the fault in our reporting. Those responsible have been sacked."
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter "Those responsible for the sacking of the previous reporters have been sacked."
It's so embarrassing that they'd rather write a million word response doubling down and defending this bad article instead of showing some self awareness and deleting it. It really is a deliberate agenda to put this message of trans sexual predators out there and not just a lazy editor or whatever.
And in Pride Month, of all months!
Literally the most charitable interpretation is that theyre willing to sell and endorse this disgusting narrative, and completely unwilling to admit fault.
To be fair, just deleting it the first time would give conservatives another chance to call it cancel culture and complain about how “the left pressures organizations to bend to the will of woke-ism,” or something. By openly admitting to more and more flaws in the article, the reasons for (what I hope to be) its ultimate deletion can be well established. No ‘cancel culture,’ just bad journalism.
Although I suppose there will always be those who will call any leftist response to criticism some conspiratorial effort of secret organization to take away free speech.
Liars, cynics, rapists, paedophiles, narcissists and psychopaths are wayyyyyy more common than trans people. So why on Earth would you be surprised if someone used the transgenderist religion (conpletely separate from real trans people) for their own sexual gratification?
How naive are you?
@Bronze Shield Transactivists have no limits.
The fact that they are fighting this so hard speak VOLUMES
Tories...
@@gamj7509 Well the whole issue seems to be many of the progressives. Many tories are homophobic and transphobic, pro-LG transphobic activism is more of a progressive thing.
"we should be allowed to do a transphobia and lie a bunch, please stop complaining about our transphobia and lying." - the BBC
Why should they take down their opinion only because some people who get triggered easily over something as simple as a person having a different opinion than them said so? What will the BBC gain in return?
@@ughrosie Sorry honey, the grownups are talking. Go and play with your lego until mummy is finished.
Love the new backgrounds by the way. It seems as though you are now living your best skull life as opposed to being stuck in a field or the dark void of space
He's Lo-Fi Skull 🤩😁
The tape holding up the glasses is such a good touch. Good job, Skutch
I'm interested how Shaun is planning to play that game though
@@mynamejeff3545 the game froze when he took out the floppy disk.
And that seems to have been a while ago, because it looks like the floppy disk is starting to melt a little.
Just reinforcing the belief that Shaun is actually the skull from Davis Aurini’s videos, and he actually ran away.
In a sea of performative allies and rainbow corporatism, I can't tell you how much it means to have this kind of support. Thank you for all of the time and energy that it must take to get to know these issues so well, and thank you for such an amazing effort to make it easier for others to do the same. Warms my lil' transgender heart.
This might be an odd question to ask here and I guess I could just google it but I prefer asking. Do being transgender mean that you have already transitioned or would someone who hasn’t transitioned yet but wants to still be considerd trans? Are there people born biologically male that feel like women but don’t want to transition and vice versa?
Shaun is great, he just rips apart the bbc in these 4 vids haha
@@Too_Biased Transgender woman here: You actually don't need to transition to be transgender! Neither do you really need to want to do so I suppose. I mean there sure isn't any trans police to stop you identifying as something
@@Too_Biased pretty sure you can use google to find an answer to that question
@@Too_Biased Either or to be honest. NGL the "exact" definition of being trans can be hard to pin down. Consider a XX intersex person with De La Chappelle syndrome who identifies as female. Are they trans or not?
On the "other end" (I feel super gross putting it this way) there's the stereotypical "XY trans woman" with an obvious beard who doesn't even want to go on HRT. Are they trans or not?
In the grand scheme of things, there's no 100% clear cutoff for this, but if anything, the most common general rule is, regardless of actual genes, if you're AMAB and later identify as female, then you're trans. If you're AFAB and identify as male, then you're trans. Regardless of what you're assigned at birth, if you identify as neither, you're "probably?" trans.
Edit: Revisiting this when I'm not drunk (why was I stupid enough to post comments on youtube while drunk? ugh), and this explanation is super problematic. A much better way to put answer the question is: no you don't have to transition or even have plans to transition to be trans. If you identify as a gender that's different from your assigned gender at birth, then you are most likely trans, but aren't necessarily so. For example, not all nonbinary people identify as trans.
The problem isn't that the article "fell below the BBC's standards", it's that it illustrated (and this piss-weak response continues to illustrate) exactly how low those standards are.
"Things aren't up to the usual Fallout standards..."
@Zendi bruh proofread your comments a little
your transphobia & foolishness is already super embarrassing--you really didn't need to blunder your words too 🤣
"How BBC will do whatever mental cartwheels it takes to promote transphobic propaganda, part 4."
As a trans person, I really appreciate all the work put on this videos, and the refusal to back down.
Yo a fellow Kai
@@Kaiwala Kais unite!! xD
@Bronze Shield the ones doing that... Are cis people.
@Bronze Shield But! It's so much better to stay in a relationship with someone who doesn't respect you!
@Bronze Shield "Stop doing the thing we made up to justify our vicious, rabid hatred!"
Stop PRETENDING to care about rape survivors to attack trans women.
The fact that a fourth one of these is necessary is a depressing view of how backwards the "woke" BBC is and how far right the country has become that BBC is seen as "woke"
it's the 4th one, which makes it way worse imo
@@gabe8981 fourth yeah brain fart
How is the country far right? Maybe the Tories would have been shifting towards that but the whole country? Is anything you don't like far right?
@@Jarmint do you recall when the labourist party was promoting a form of socialism? A form that Karl Marx would be proud of.
I do, and I'm not even British.
Because the Labourist party used to make inroads in the USA.
@@Jarmint They didn't call the country far right, they said "How far right the country has become." As in, the country has moved further to the right
And as an outsider looking in, I would agree.
What I really hate about this whole story is that it's been 8 months now, the article has already hurt people, the BBC published misinformation and it made its way into people's head. Fixing the article half a year after most people read it won't exactly do much. Hell, even retracting it won't do much.
They need to publicly apologies, and to specifically start including trans people in their coverage of anything related to trans people. Otherwise, their article did the damage it was supposed to do.
Yeah that's basically the modus operandi of modern propagandists. Just shout what you want people to believe very loudly and very frequently because it doesn't really matter how much truth there is behind what's being said. Once the topic has been set, it's very hard to change people's first impressions.
Nope they need to FIRE TERFS FROM THE BOARD. And that will only happen through external demands. Most trans people who aren't talking to them, aren't talking to them because they don't want orgs with terfs at their head publishing either harmful or face saving coverage.
Trans people were invited to contribute but they refused. It is a legitimate topic and it isn't a figment of anyone's imagination. There are trans women holding seminars on how to "break the cotton ceiling", which means getting into a biological woman's underwear. Don't want a lady with a penis? Well then, you're a "genital fetishist that reduces a person to what is between their legs". Not attracted to trans people? Well, that makes you a transphobe. Yet you claim the article is baseless?
It’s crazy that the BBC are just choosing to act like the type of person you’d see arguing anonymously on the internet. Never admitting they’re wrong, constantly doubling down, misrepresenting other people’s points to ignore the flaws in theirs. You’d think they’d just apologise and delete the article, or even just delete the article and never mention it again; but instead they decided to die on this hill, defending the article
This isn't relevant to the topic of the video, but the background image you've included is lovely. It's very cozy and charming, and I think the glasses being taped on is a nice touch.
I believe they've always been taped. Lovely consistency nonetheless
Shaun's, "Hello, everyone..." introduction, feels like a hug from Baymax.
the fact that the artist thought to include refraction on the tape is even more of a nice touch!
lofi hip hop radio - beats to fight transphobia to
I'm loving all the little details, such as the Goku doll.
Stuff like this makes me so sad as a cis lesbian dating a trans woman. My girlfriend is the most kind, loving, silly girl I know and it makes me sick when women like these women speak for me. I'm just WAITING to encounter someone like this irl, my hands are rated E for everyone.
Edit to add: Now she is my fiancée 👹
The BBC has a lot to answer for across many fields, but this one takes the cake. I had a middle aged straight white man accost me in the park after listening to Women's Hour post-Depp/Heard trial and his misogynist rant (where he pronounced that all modern feminists want to be victims... to a modern feminist) led directly into the phrase "And my son is gay... but why should we change bathrooms for 0.03% of the population? It's affecting my rights!" I just... so many levels of ignorance, bigotry and hate, the best I could do was attempt to dissuade him, recommend some actual trans sources he could get some info from and not rip his head off with my bare hands (since he spoke over everything I said, smiling and shaking his head, ignored my cis straight male companion who was expressing the same opinions as myself and also ignored his dog that he was walking, since the argument he was having with us was far more interesting)
But if it helps, my area has gone Tory AF in the past decade so this isn't an average person's attitude across the board. I comfort myself with the knowledge that in times gone by, when the local Torys genuinely barricaded the polls so liberal locals couldn't vote, the lefties in my town waited outside, caught them as they left, stripped them naked and threw them in the river. Obviously we don't condone that kind of violence or sexual assault, but considering it was discussed in parliament whether to remove all voting rights from our area because we were TOO liberal at the time (fighting for suffrage decades before it became a thing here or down south), and they sent the army in, I'm fine with it as an historical instance. The town is Hawick in the Scottish Borders, btw. I'm hoping for a leftist resurgence soon, minus the fucking with people's bodily autonomy or voting rights.
@@angelalovell5669 Accosted you. Making yourself sound like a victim.....the irony is lost on you.
@@fuckamericanidiot Well, maybe he actually accosted her. Have you considered that. What is she supposed to do, lie about it just to avoid "sounding like a victim"?
@@baguettegott3409 No, she's supposed to tell the truth.
A man in a park walked up to her and started lecturing her about feminism?
Bullshit.
He probably made some innocent remark on a park bench, and then she started "educating him" with that Karen passive aggressive energy....and she didn't like what he had to say in response.
@@fuckamericanidiot get help bruh
Me: "oh a new Shaun video!"
Me: "Oh no..."
Happy pride month everyone.
Just goes to show that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Pride started as a protest and it must continue that way - it has never been about having a party for a party's sake, as a lot of straight people seem to think. The parades and the parties are to bring awareness and some balance the extreme stress and misery that fighting for basic respect tends to cause.
I still have yet to enjoy Pride for it's celebratory aspects, and I'm 32.
PRIDE... is a weapon.
@@username45739 you make it sound more badass than it actually is
"we've investigated ourselves, and found that we've done nothing wrong. shut up." - the BBC
I never understood how self-review is legal in the first place. Surely if something illegal or unsafe is going on, some new eyes should be on it?
Leading the charge or merely a part of the charge, you're very loudly showing people that the BBC's bullshit doesn't fly and it's greatly appreciated by those which said bullshit is aimed at.
And we love Shaun for it.
Yo I came out as trans in the interim between the first video and this one and I just want to say thanks for doing this stuff. It’s nice to know that cis people do care about the bbc pulling this garbage, at least sometimes.
Just goes to show how long it's been. Happy pride.
@Bronze Shield no u
@Bronze Shield ur the one attention seeking w all ur comments under this vid💀literally pointing at a mirror LMFAOO
@Bronze Shield "Stop expressing your opinions in any way, which I will call attention seeking because I choose to pretend to feel imposed upon by a trans person not being ashamed."
This is your brain on culturally Christian morality.
@Bronze Shield Maybe first you should learn what "Culturally Christian morality" is before trying to make a response.
also, "triggered" in 2022. lol.
Part 4 of a series that shouldn't have a part 1, but here we are.
Shaun on point
Skutch on point
BBC on... sadly I pay for this show
Don't pay your tv licence. They'll write angry letters where they promise they're super serious. But they're not. They really can't do anything. If they come to your door, which they've promised me they will for years, just don't let them in. They can't without your permission. Or just tell them online that you don't watch bbc
(To my knowledge I do not consume any media on my property covered by the tv licence)
@prey fucking pain in the arse.
Lived alone since 16 im 24 now n never had a tv licence, fuck the bbc
@@Ribeanie make sure to flag comments like that as commercial/spam where you see them
I wish I could live in a world where a four-part video series about a transphobic article, and the continuing effort to play dumb, by the BBC was not necessary.
But since we're not living in that world yet, thank you for all your work and effort, Shaun.
Lo-fi critiques of systemic transphobia to study to (ie, amazing background artwork). Great content as usual!
currently revising. accurate lol
it's hard-hitting, and it's low volume
Systemic transphobia. When did that start? 50 years ago? 500? 1000? 200,000?
@@fuckamericanidiot What an inane question.
When did sexism start? Half the population is affected by it, yet it is a challenge to put together a coherent historical narrative.
Do you really expect transphobia to be easier to detect when the the relevant concepts has been redefined multiple times in the last century alone?
@@sable1334 Not at all dummy :) Everything has a birth. It's just an annoyance to your myopic view of the world.
Is it inane, or a challenge?
Pick one dunderhead.
"Actually we don't know whether this person mentioned in the article was a trans woman."
Wow, maybe that statement shouldn't have been included in a context that implies it was about a trans woman, then.
Would love to see the BBC article "I'm being pressured into defending my existence by people who fight to deny me basic human rights"
The background is so beautiful now, props to Skutch
@@recitationtohear boo not cool
@@jamesbaker9106 It's a bot net. They most certainly don't read responses. You can flag them for commercial content/spam, which I would suggest, but they'll just be back again with a new word in the message or new profile. TH-cam is kinda sh*t at handling this particular bot.
@@nunyabidnis3815 I know
Shaun's laser focus is remarkable. Thank you Shaun.
-no BLM video
-no January 6 video
-no Trucker protests video
I like Shaun after years of following him, but he missed various topics and I would've liked to hear about them from him (even if his videos tend to be quite long).
@@oldstyle5114 he'll probably cover them after this whole saga, or in the meantime between installments. Shaun's video turnaround time has always been very long since he likes to really do his research. I'm sure we'll get something on those subjects at some point.
@@oldstyle5114 Its not up to you or me or anyone else, Shaun makes his content as he sees fit.
You may have noticed that, for whatever reasons, Shaun doesn't release a large number of videos, per year and he is also from the UK. Right now, in the UK the persecution of Trans people, particularly in England, is coming from the media (bearing in mind that the BBC is funded by a license fee collected from each household) and the state and various other groups acting in bad faith trying to remove the hard-won rights of trans people (and as we have seen in the US) with a view to rolling back other members of the LGBTQ communities rights in the UK and thence on to ever more attacks on BAME in the UK.
Perhaps if you are looking for videos that at least contain subjects that have relevance to the subjects you have mentioned, you could revisit other videos on this channel, perhaps if you still find that unsatisfactory, you could create in-depth and well researched videos on those topics.
@@oldstyle5114 you also have to keep in mind that writing videos about divisive topics takes time. If also love to see him talk about those topics, but he should do so at his own pace.
Quality > Quantity
@@TheOnlyCathyCat While I understand the current situation, these events have been around for longer time than this one (in fact I was waiting for those videos even before the Terry Pratchett video).
I know he was active on Twitter, but he has always done videos on such events (such as the one on Charlottesville).
"internal editorial review process, my foot"
The skull has feet? That's a nightmare inducing mental image, just a skull with feet below it
Goomba
Postie Pete!
He actually also has hands and a body, like an undead Rayman
Thank you for still pursuing this. It gives me hope that I don't just live in a world full of transphobes and the indifferent masses...
Imagine if I wrote an article for the bbc “white men are feeling societal pressure to date black women” and then I just said racist shit and then bcc defends this article to the last
"We're being pressured into sex by some Jews", citing a survey conducted in the web forum of the Aryan Self-Defence Network.
@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs Or "We're being pressured into sex by some gay people.", citing a survey by "The American Traditional family association."
hey, the headline "white women are feeling societal pressure to date black men" feels more like the kind of stuff that would get racists REALLY upset. Protect white women and girls and all that...
“We checked it all and it was honestly fine when we published it” is, AT BEST, grounds for someone in the editor team getting fired.
The BBC just wanted to be transphobic without consequences.
As a trans woman and lesbian I thank you for standing up for our rights in this matter. There is so much we have to deal with on a daily basis that issues like this can go under the radar. You are a true ally and a wonderful human. Thank you.
Thanks for still doing this.
Tbh the BBC should not only delete that article, but also issue a public apology. They fucked up and honestly, should be legally condemned for incitement to hatred (or whatever the name of the law for this in the UK)
And it should be the end of the career of the author and everyone involved in the “editorial process” that let Cade’s contribution through and everyone involved in defending it for days until her Genocide Manifesto was published. And an investigation launched into how that happened and how to prevent anything like it happening again.
@@baynemacgregor8441 definitely.
As much as I agree, I suspect the BBC has a number of lawyers on payroll that would be able to talk themselves out of any charges on technicalities.
@@anarchion2141 I agree. I wish the law wasn't so easily dealt with though
And why should they apologize. It is an opinion article. It's a form of freedom of media and speech
Me, describing my husband doting on me and giving me a romantic night when I would otherwise be too tired after work: "MY HUSBAND IS PRESSURING ME INTO SEX"
Y'know, a completely neutral way to describe it. Could be taken whatever way
clearly. when I hear "pressured into sex", the first thing I think of is a date
I’m glad you kept up on this. The bbc really does need to be better than this.
Yeah, I feel like they're hoping if they keep giving these half-assed, useless responses and these tiny edits to the article that people will just give up and forget about it 🙄
Thank you Shaun. The fact that the BBC is fighting this so hard really speaks to how deep transphobia can run in a government. I'm not from the UK but I've been watching this story closely and even wrote in a complaint. I hope my UK sisters stay safe out there.
Yep. It is pretty terrible just how many hate extremists we have in high places. Cheers for the good wishes.
Thank you for your continued support for the radical concept that trans people shouldn't be hunted down in the streets. I'm so very very tired and seeing this kind of tenacity makes me feel like I do have people that wish to protect us and maybe I can let my guard down, even for a second. I won't, but it's nice feeling like I and my siblings aren't the only ones here.
You absolutely aren't, the vitriolic temper tantrums of those who never matured beyond teenager intellect are just louder.
Me and my gang of internet friends behave internally like a stereotypical group that would be bigoted, redpilled and all that shite (we aren't but our jokes and memery could fool people looking in) and one of them came out as trans after a few years and the group reacted in the best way possible in my opinion:
We told her how glad we were she trusted us with this deep secret of hers, started referring to her as she/her like she wanted to and her new chosen name (with some stumbles obviously) and... That's it.
She's still the same person with the only exception being that now our memes include banter about her "feminine arc", started by herself of course.
Stay strong, however many or few you think support your right to be yourself there are so many more of us that don't say it loudly enough.
So in an attempt to justify not using Chelsea Poe’s interview and claiming ‘no one wanted to talk’ we’ve gone from ‘high profile trans women who have either written or spoken about sex and relationships’ in the article to ‘trans women [the author] regarded as high profile and who would have represented the view that lesbians should be open to dating trans women’ in the ECU statement.
Even if this was actually believable it’s still one hell of a goalpost shift.
They don't want the interview to come out because the questions were basically TERF talking points
most websites will also allow you to "print page". Under printer choice, you can choose to save as PDF. That PDF can then be uploaded
I'm disappointed to have to see yet another one of these, but I'm glad you're sticking up for my trans sisters
Thank you for doing all this and never giving up! Love the new art work aswell
Incredibly, how frutstratingly long this is already taking. Amazing, that you're still pushing!
Thank you for doing an incredible and thorough job. Trans liberation is a fight on many fronts. 🏳️⚧️
@@dailymzungu4287
From transphobes & cis-normative society
@@dailymzungu4287 From regressives.
@@modmaker7617 How do you get liberated from bigotry? What's your final solution?
I remember when the article first came out. I lived in my previous flat at the time, a flat that I moved out of almost exactly 7 months ago as of writing this. It’s taken over half a year to get this response! It’s absolutely ridiculous and disgusting
Don't worry, Shaun-you're not asking too much. If those of us who are not members of the trans community don't stand up against injustices like this, we're not very good allies.
It's that easy. *It's that. Easy.*
@@G_FRE Punch some words into your phone with your thumbs and BAM. You're a real hero.
@@fuckamericanidiot social media has shown extensively to be a real driver in radicalisation, hatred, etc etc. To tell a trans person "you are not alone, you are valid and you deserve a good happy life" on the internet may even save their life. Definitely more useful than whatever the fuck you're doing.
@@fuckamericanidiot gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
@@elizabethmcwhorter3445 Thank you but I wasn't trying to bait anyone. It's that pathetic. It's that. Pathetic.
Whenever something horrible happens to trans people, i go back to a Shaun vid for comfort. Seeing a cis person I respect stand up for trans people using by using both rationality and passion makes me feel like the world is a little bit more balanced in favor of good.
Thank you for being an ally who's willing to put the energy in to carrying this complaint! The main weapon of corporations and institutions is that they require a constant level of engagement to get change out of them, and a lot of minorities have other injustices to deal with and get ground down. For me, I'm an LGBTQ+ grad student with disabilities, and I can only spend so much of my time engaging in issues that are really important to me because I have a lot of stuff to deal with
The fact that this has to be the most complained about article or piece of media BBC or any major British broadcaster has ever received, is quite an achievement not even Brass Eye's special Peadogeddon will have got this many. Yet they still refuse to take it seriously which is rather odd.
There's always something new that's upsetting when the British media is talking about trans people
This series serves as a really in depth guide to understanding how labyrinthine the plausible deniability part of dogwhistling has become.
I'd also like to point out that if the person they're referring to isn't a trans woman, then they should be writing a very different article about how rape exists.
As a cis lesbian who loves trans women, I would have loved to have been contacted by the BBC to talk about how amazing trans women are. If only that were the point of the article.
Right? I'm a trans woman and I'm married to a cis woman. She seems to like me okay :)
As a self-identified trans ally, today was the first time I’ve heard the word “bioessentialist.” I always appreciate that your videos truly give me a better understanding of the social issues taking place in the world. Cheers.
bioessentalsim is wrong, untill it's "OH my parents knew I was trans at a young age before I knew at age 15. always liked girly girl things, played like a girl, everything"
@@kaiyodei Just to be clear, I was not making any sort of value judgment on bioessentialism, merely saying that I had not heard the term before and learned about it through this video. Peace.
@@kaiyodei Bro it's always only the mom saying this shit
@@jmwmusic5665 ah. someone accused me of bioessentalism when I said "sperm is a male gamyte". what the person should of said "wellll you know, intersex people exist. some of them have internal testies with viable sperm even though they also have overies and a uterus and such"
@@kaiyodei About the parents thing, that's not *bio*essentialism. It has nothing to do with biology, it's about things society considers girly, liking dolls is not a biological trait. Not arguing whether this outlook is correct or useful, but it definitely has nothing to do with bioessentialism at all.
The BBC is really showing its support for only part of the lgbtq community with how many Ls they're taking
Good on you for keeping up the pressure, and writing these excellent videos
"funnily" this is going more or less exactly as another complaints response chain i have witnessed from the bbc in the past. but maybe there are enough people involved this time to force them to admit to what they actually did wrong
Part 5: Okay so it took them so long to think of a response that the Tories managed to abolish the BBC before they ever formally apologized.
shaun's really out here doing everyone's job for them. truly the work of G-d over here.
After reading Ofcom's response I couldn't be more disappointed. They totally agree with the ECU's response, and say that the article did not discriminate and that the article is impartial because the article presents both sides. (to find it i just googled ofcom bbc trans)
UK regulators aren't fit for purpose. Ofwat are even worse.
honestly every time they dig their heels in makes them look that much worse and untrustworthy
i'd love to see coverage of this from an unbigoted pov in a major publication to expose this level of institutional backing of bigotry
BBC: "Oh it's just a TH-camr! I'm sure he'll lose interest after a few weeks..."
Shaun: "I could do this all day..."
Caroline Lowbridge really takes the "low" in her name seriously.
YEP
Caroline Bridge-Under-Troubled-Water
When they go low, she goes much lower.
I have a degree in journalism from London, so I spent a lot of time working with people from the BBC. I can tell you that the BBC used to be an essential news outlet, notable for the fact it was publicly funded and therefore less biased. They also used to have a team that externally reviewed them, people OUTSIDE of the BBC that graded their accuracy and their impartiality. However, this external evaluation was dropped after the May/Corbyn election when they claimed the BBC were vastly over-representing the Tories and publishing negative things abt Corbyn. It hasn’t been brought back. The BBC as it used to be is not the BBC in its current iteration, and it’s so frustrating to see. Thank you for continuing to call them out.
You're a gem Shaun, it's so easy to just feel unheard or too divided to do anything about normalised transphobia (and, to a degree, homophobia through making fellow LGBT people sound like antagonists to one another to appease heteronormativity.) but seeing people using their platform to bring people together to fight against it is what keeps me hopeful
If the year was 2002, you would be an emo.
Thank you for this. To all my trans siblings out there, take care. Our existence is important. I love you.
Awesome video, dude, I really appreciate your strategic approach to this transphobia. They really are dragging this out, but they just keep losing👏👏👏
Also, I'm taking a perspective drawing class and I might use your new Pong background as a reference for practice😂
For those, like myself, who are watching in the future, unfortunately the article is still live on the BBC, and the lie that "None of [the high profile trans women] wanted to speak to [the author]" is still in the article. The misgendering that was mentioned in the closing statements of the video is, of course, also unaddressed.
I absolutely love your videos Shaun! I wish you would upload more often but im sure these things take a lot of time
@im back bot
Watching again in December 2022, eagerly awaiting Ofcom’s response.
Bless you, Shaun. Your support for people is admirable. I'm glad to see you're far from giving up on this no matter how difficult they BBC tries to make it for you.
Thank you for continuing to do what you can! As a transwoman myself, I appreciate all the hard work people are doing to help stand up for me and other transgender individuals!
Thank you so much for continuing to do this, it means a lot as a trans person
Honestly the BBC should probably have it's leadership replaced and externally investigated but, since this isn't an ideal world they'll probably continue to defend this article and write more that pretty much advocate for the same idea. And as someone who's non binary "I simply can't wait for they'll describe how everyone who is non binary acts". (This absurd situation continues )
Thing is it's political, tories have gotten a lot of their own into positions at the top of institutions like this. Same goes for other broadcasters. Of course this happens with other governments too.
Every time I hear about people being hated for being different, I always think of the song People are People by Depeche Mode. Even to this day it perfectly describes my inability to understand why people are so hateful of things that don't really matter.
I think BBC's current game plan is to turn off all the lights in their office, hide under their desks, and pretend they're not at work.
It means so much that youve stood up for the community i'm a part of and been such a critical voice in calling out the BBCs transphobia, while shedding light on some of the stuggles and microagressions trans people face on a daily basis
Before we get into the, no doubt, depressing and deeply frustrating content of this video, let me just say that background is fantastic. Major props to the artist!
Their response to being called out for lying about not being able to find any high-profile trans women is really a bit of a giveaway. "No, what we really meant was that we couldn't get an interview with any trans women willing to perpetuate the idea that cis lesbians should feel pressure to date trans women. What could possibly be biased about our refusal to interview and publish trans women unless they could be useful to the narrative we swear we're not perpetuating?"
I admire the amount of work you're doing to address this injustice, and I'm pleased to play a tiny part in it.
Thanks for this Shaun. Transphobia is growing an incredibly rapid rate and it's a scary time for sure. Thank you for tracking this along the entire way.
@@dailymzungu4287 Cause fascism is on the rise and fascism requires scapegoats to oppress
Transphobia is code word for common sense, if it's on the rise it can only be a good thing
@@darkmusky9851 common sense just means "whatever I feel when you ask me" which is pretty fucking stupid actually hahahaha
@@darkmusky9851 "My irrational phobia is just common sense" - An idiot who can't explain their idiocies
@Jean Sanchez Yep, it's a completely manufactured panic, and I don't think it's a coincidence that it just so happens that conservative churches are being ousted as pedophile rings left and right, while those same conservatives call everyone else pedophiles.
Seeing you continuing to stand with trans people in keeping pressure on the BBC is a positive reminder that these efforts by terfs and their ilk are not going to make the actual allies dip out, a reminder that is needed as libs and others who have never actually put in the legwork to be allies but claim the title, have been abandoning people because of their own ignorance.
For anyone who has a problem with these efforts I also want to give a tidbit of info, namely that one of the tactics used by terfs is to exhaust, be it by bots or just random scattershot lies, as we have seen time and again. This strategy is one that has often only failed when another section of the movement perpetrating it fell and dragged them down too, as such, a situation is created where driving to exhaustion can be justified in this effort to put a stop to the efforts that they make to abuse trans people.
I do hope everyone here has a wonderful day!
These videos have been not only an important call to action, but a concrete summation of the article and its story, and they've been really helpful for adding perspective to a project I'm working on, charting the history of TERF ideology.
So, thanks, and thanks.
Also, I admit I was one of the people who originally had the impression that you were specifically "heading" this particular effort, until I was corrected in a stream chat, and I'm glad to hear that bit mentioned here (both because it's a good/important clarification to make and because it makes me feel like I wasn't the only one who had that misunderstanding).
It is fascinating. It's important to study to history of radical feminism on this.
People like you really give me hope. This year has been scary for trans folks, having our health care and rights attacked and there being constant threats to our well being on top of the platforming of Terfs who spew nothing but hate. But through it all, so many people have stepped up and chosen to help, people like you, and I just don’t have the words for how much it means to me. It’s just nice to know we’re not fighting alone.
Can we just appreciate the new background artwork? Love the little details, it turned out so great!
Thank you for keeping up with this situation, we need more allyes like you!
Also the background art is always great^^
When trans folks say we need cis folks to be our allies and advocates THIS IS WHAT WE MEAN.
Too many of us are too fucking tired from day-to-day fighting of microagressions, transphobia, and constantly justifying our right to exist. Many of us dont have time for such an organised, structured, and dedicated mission you've undertaken. Dont have time to constantly argue tediously back & forth the BBC, and jumping through all their bureaucratic hoops made specifically to annoy/bore you into giving up. Glad there is someone else there to have out back and address the assinine but harmful shit we're too exhausted for.
Folks utilizing the benefits of their privilege (ie free time available and the emotional energy not wasted fighting to exist) to actually stand up for those on the receiving end of oppression, is exactly what we need more of in the world.
i really appreciate your coverage on this, Shaun. mainstream media outlets (including the nyt, recently) have been incredibly fucking reactionary about trans issues and you’re honestly doing the most to engage with these people. thank you
The BBC should honestly be beyond embarrassed. I appreciate these videos.
I got suckered in with the harry potter video and now I have to evaluate the trustworthiness of a previously trusted news source. Oh how the rabbit hole goes.
I’m so glad you’ve made these videos I used to regard the BBC is a company of journalistic integrity but this video has proved to me how wrong I was and how damaging their reporting is to the trans community
The Chess set is an excellent reference to the Black Pigeon Speaks video response that us true Shaun heads can appreciate. 10/10 video essay Kino.
I'm a trans woman and I just wanna to personally thank anyone who puts in the effort to call out this bullshit when it doesn't affect them, it honestly means so much to me that there are so many cis people willing to stand up for me and my trans siblings 💚💚
Damn, I wish everyone was as brave and willing to fight for the community as you, thank you!!
That artwork is amazing!
Anyone else binging this saga in December in prep for part 5?
It's so exhausting to be just... Always having this same godamn argument.
Shaun, you're a fantastic and amazing ally. We adore you being on our side. ❤
i love how much more angry shaun sounds here than usual, you can tell hes talking way way faster and it makes me really happy for a subject like this
I have never sent in this many online complaints about something in my life before this, and frankly it's mind boggling that the bbc has gone through this many rounds of back and fourth just to avoid taking some damn accountability.
1:53 "Fell below the BBC STANDARDS OF ACCURACY"... That's quite a limbo! They do know that "BBC standards" has been a meme for a while, right? Like, there's NOT MUCH SPACE BELOW... author must have been bendy!
Shaun based
Good luck! I believe in you!
Congratulations!....
@@unmarketableplushie thank you
@@TheOnlyCathyCat thank you
congratulations+good luck!
Oh, and I still really appreciate all the hard work you put in to creating your incredible content.
Is there anyway to get this into a guardian article or something that would give it more traction? Maybe DM a journalist that would be sympathetic like Owen Jones. This whole thing is a really good story about the BBC trying to cover up its awfulness and deserves more attention
Well watching these has ruined my day. As a trans woman I now know I should not take anything the BBC says about trans issues as being unbiased or true. The article is *STILL* up on their website and *STILL* includes the blatant lie of:
"In addition to Veronica Ivy, I contacted several other high profile trans women who have either written or spoken about sex and relationships. None of them wanted to speak to me but my editors and I felt it was important to reflect some of their views in this piece."
It is abundantly clear the BBC do not consider Transwomen to be a group worthy of journalistic protection and would rather pretend systemic problems are not addressable, rather than acknowledge fundamental flaws in their own content review process. This is very disappointing as I have enjoyed their content for years and am still willing to trust their reporting with the qualifier of "Except for anything relating to transpeople."
I found out about this two years after this video was uploaded and the fact the article is sadly typical of how terf sentiments diffuse into mainstream society. I suppose the BBC could now claim the article needs to remain up for 'archival' purposes.
I am going to rewatch the Harry Potter video to make myself feel better about never getting to read those books because my brother locked them in his room when I was growing up.
Yeah, I checked today and it's still up. How is this even possible at this point? It's been almost 3 years...
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@@huntressgrit’s because it was right lol. The article was correct
Lol
Lofi Shaun aesthetic is amazing