I'm a fabricator/welder with 30 years experience, I'm glad at this point most of my career is behind me... I am glad I am not a younger person starting out in this trade. Automation is inevitable, in most areas of work at this point...repair and installation work is probably safe for awhile. To anyone looking to start out working in a fab shop though, might want to look at different options. Employers will always look to saving a buck, if that means offering low wages, reduced benefits... or slave like working conditions...they usually do it. In 30 years, I have never felt appreciated, valued or fairly compensated and I have worked for alot of different shops. If I had to do it over again from the start, I would look at any other trade than welding, fabrication.
fabricators in my area make like 30+ an hour, and ironworkers make even more. yall are looking at it wrong. i have seen wages increase as automation has been added. the problem with lack of skilled labor isnt because skilled fabricators are leaving to different trades. it is because most young people see any blue collar work as beneath them. welders and fabricators make good money nowadays, but everyone keeps teaching people that they are some kind of failure if they dont go to college. it is a problem in every single blue collar trade. there are a huge amount of people that refuse to get into skilled trades like welding that would be much better off if they did. i know plenty of ironworkers that make over 100k a year. and what happens when shops get more automation is they can handle much larger projects, which brings more money in. each person ends up touching a lot more steel and it makes each manhour a lot more valuable to the company. what automation has done is eliminated a lot of the low-paying unskilled work that used to take a lot of time in shops. now they dont need guys sitting there all day doing things like mag drilling holes or tons of grinding. but the skilled guys become even more valuable because a skilled guy can produce a lot more than they used to be able to because they are spending all of their time doing the skilled work instead of the work that doesnt make money. as a worker, you want your input to make the company you work for more money. it makes you more valuable, and pay increase can actually make sense. if you make 20 bucks an hour, and you only produce enough to make the company 5 bucks an hour, they are never going to give you a raise to 30 an hour. it would be a losing proposition for them. but if you get paid 20 bucks an hour and you produce enough to make the company 100 bucks an hour, then a good sized raise can make a lot of sense. this is exactly what i have seen automation do. it is there to leverage the time of the skilled workers. whenever your skill is being leveraged to make more money, it makes you much more valuable
@@JohnDoe-rx3vn lmao i got a 6x2.5m plasma and oxyfuel table with a pipe rotator.34$ an hour without overtime. and it's a plasma table, ofc its gonna be alot of overtime lol
What about tolerances? H beams come in different sizes - a pack comes with the same heat no. and often one is up to 5mm higher than the other. Does the machine have systems to compensate?
Hi HyldenLord - Yes the Liberator and all our CNC products understand that there are always mill tolerances, and on some machines we use probing to detect and verify the actual size of the beam (not the nominal size) and the machine then compensates. On the Liberator, which is a semi-automatic machine, the offset of the torch is set slightly beyond the nominal beam envelope to allow for mill tolerances, and the operator then adjusts the torch-to-material gap manually, if needed. The torch also over travels in the Y direction to ensure that it cuts through a flange that is oversize. With hundreds of our Liberators in service around the world, the machine compensating for mill tolerances has not been an issue anywhere. Hope this helps
Nice machine but what what can it do when its stuck at a shop and your out in the field and material gets delivered to the job site. Skilled fabricators that can use a torch and read some plans just as good.
Very true about not being appreciated. But company CEOs, are not paid to appreciate. They do not even care if you have been with the company for 20 years. As a matter of fact they hope you quit. With 20 years service a person could have up to 6 our 8 weeks vacation built up. If you quit that eliminates 6 to 8 weeks of paying money out and not getting any production for the buck. If you are no longer working they can hire a new employee and use the money they would pay you and get 6 to 8 weeks of work for the same dollar you would RECIEVE.
Bill C. I don't know where your at but in NY technically you own your "time owed" however they still fuck you out of it and no gov agency's seem to care even though that's what they're there for, I'd like one of these but it's just me so I wouldn't be replacing anyone. Ha it just said "with an experienced operator" wtf
@@barryburton7755 Barry - the cost of the Liberator (including software, installation and training) is approx $160k - if you add 40ft infeed and 40ft outfeed total cost around $210k
We Burners never need to do no Grinding . And let's see them Liberater's When they have to clean their torch without no tip cleaner .Good Luck borrowing a wrench from me . Now What ? Robot? I'm Respectful. The F-N-G-ROBOT Should have brought a 1 7/8" wrench that's all ...
it doesnt sack workers. it makes the skilled workers more valuable. i have seen automation increase wages. now companies dont have to be a bunch of low skilled workers, and the skilled workers' time and skills are leveraged. with automation, skilled workers can produce a lot more which makes them worth a lot more to their company. i guess it lessens the need for unskilled workers, but the skilled workers ultimately benefit when a shop gets automation
The reason that a lot of skilled worker's do not stick around is because of pay and not being appreciated for doing a good job.
Theodore Narvaez I was just about to write that
No joke, i turned down exactly this kind of job because it only paid 15/hr
I'm a fabricator/welder with 30 years experience, I'm glad at this point most of my career is behind me... I am glad I am not a younger person starting out in this trade. Automation is inevitable, in most areas of work at this point...repair and installation work is probably safe for awhile. To anyone looking to start out working in a fab shop though, might want to look at different options. Employers will always look to saving a buck, if that means offering low wages, reduced benefits... or slave like working conditions...they usually do it. In 30 years, I have never felt appreciated, valued or fairly compensated and I have worked for alot of different shops. If I had to do it over again from the start, I would look at any other trade than welding, fabrication.
fabricators in my area make like 30+ an hour, and ironworkers make even more. yall are looking at it wrong. i have seen wages increase as automation has been added. the problem with lack of skilled labor isnt because skilled fabricators are leaving to different trades. it is because most young people see any blue collar work as beneath them. welders and fabricators make good money nowadays, but everyone keeps teaching people that they are some kind of failure if they dont go to college. it is a problem in every single blue collar trade. there are a huge amount of people that refuse to get into skilled trades like welding that would be much better off if they did. i know plenty of ironworkers that make over 100k a year. and what happens when shops get more automation is they can handle much larger projects, which brings more money in. each person ends up touching a lot more steel and it makes each manhour a lot more valuable to the company. what automation has done is eliminated a lot of the low-paying unskilled work that used to take a lot of time in shops. now they dont need guys sitting there all day doing things like mag drilling holes or tons of grinding. but the skilled guys become even more valuable because a skilled guy can produce a lot more than they used to be able to because they are spending all of their time doing the skilled work instead of the work that doesnt make money. as a worker, you want your input to make the company you work for more money. it makes you more valuable, and pay increase can actually make sense. if you make 20 bucks an hour, and you only produce enough to make the company 5 bucks an hour, they are never going to give you a raise to 30 an hour. it would be a losing proposition for them. but if you get paid 20 bucks an hour and you produce enough to make the company 100 bucks an hour, then a good sized raise can make a lot of sense. this is exactly what i have seen automation do. it is there to leverage the time of the skilled workers. whenever your skill is being leveraged to make more money, it makes you much more valuable
@@JohnDoe-rx3vn lmao i got a 6x2.5m plasma and oxyfuel table with a pipe rotator.34$ an hour without overtime. and it's a plasma table, ofc its gonna be alot of overtime lol
What about tolerances? H beams come in different sizes - a pack comes with the same heat no. and often one is up to 5mm higher than the other. Does the machine have systems to compensate?
Hi HyldenLord - Yes the Liberator and all our CNC products understand that there are always mill tolerances, and on some machines we use probing to detect and verify the actual size of the beam (not the nominal size) and the machine then compensates. On the Liberator, which is a semi-automatic machine, the offset of the torch is set slightly beyond the nominal beam envelope to allow for mill tolerances, and the operator then adjusts the torch-to-material gap manually, if needed. The torch also over travels in the Y direction to ensure that it cuts through a flange that is oversize. With hundreds of our Liberators in service around the world, the machine compensating for mill tolerances has not been an issue anywhere. Hope this helps
Yeah... we got to watch our bottom line. Sure glad I don't have to compete in the job market any more.
Nice machine but what what can it do when its stuck at a shop and your out in the field and material gets delivered to the job site. Skilled fabricators that can use a torch and read some plans just as good.
skilled fabricators definitely arent being displaced. automation just leverages their time
How much is the price of the device with its accessories and spare parts
Very true about not being appreciated. But company CEOs, are not paid to appreciate.
They do not even care if you have been with the company for 20 years. As a matter of fact they hope you quit.
With 20 years service a person could have up to 6 our 8 weeks vacation built up.
If you quit that eliminates 6 to 8 weeks of paying money out and not getting any production for the buck.
If you are no longer working they can hire a new employee and use the money they would pay you and get 6 to 8 weeks of work for the same dollar you would RECIEVE.
Bill C. I don't know where your at but in NY technically you own your "time owed" however they still fuck you out of it and no gov agency's seem to care even though that's what they're there for, I'd like one of these but it's just me so I wouldn't be replacing anyone. Ha it just said "with an experienced operator" wtf
How much is the price of the device with its accessories and spare parts? U.S.A.
Joseph, the cost of the Liberator (including software, installation and training) is under $200k, more if you add infeed and outfeed conveyors
Very nice.
Thanks Michael... the Liberator is actually my favorite out of our machine offerings.
What's the cost of this machine, inc soft ware installation etc
@@Oceanmachinery hello can you send details of cost installation and soft ware for this type of machinery
@@barryburton7755 Barry - the cost of the Liberator (including software, installation and training) is approx $160k - if you add 40ft infeed and 40ft outfeed total cost around $210k
We Burners never need to do no Grinding .
And let's see them Liberater's
When they have to clean their torch without no tip cleaner .Good Luck borrowing a wrench from me .
Now What ? Robot? I'm Respectful.
The F-N-G-ROBOT Should have brought a 1 7/8" wrench that's all ...
i like that kind of cutter nice
Free hand gas cut da best, aquire the knak for it - no problemou - churrr - frm bmw
Yeah, be competitive and sack your workers for a robot and now your competitive with others. YOU, out of your mind?
Shoot these give more work for maintenance workers. Im running one right now (not this brand.)
it doesnt sack workers. it makes the skilled workers more valuable. i have seen automation increase wages. now companies dont have to be a bunch of low skilled workers, and the skilled workers' time and skills are leveraged. with automation, skilled workers can produce a lot more which makes them worth a lot more to their company. i guess it lessens the need for unskilled workers, but the skilled workers ultimately benefit when a shop gets automation