Making PCBs in MINUTES!
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- In the last few days I have been experimenting with my Bantam Tools Desktop PCB Mill! This little milling machine can allow you to make prototype PCBs in just a few minutes. And it can also engrave/mill other materials like metals or plastics!
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$3,199 !!!!! this is crazy. I think it should cost around $250.
at $3000 you can even buy a 6040 CNC router and use the same engraving bits, mill 10 larger with better precision.
250 is a bit low 1000 would be reasonable remember they are a small company and the 6040 cncs tend to be pretty bad for pcbs
@@alexfletcher8465 I have a 6040 CNC and it is perfect for PCB's.. Most issues that are typical in PCB miling (like z changes) are not caused by CNC.. And I am currently using this CNC to build a pick n place machine... so much more versatile than above machine..
@@alexfletcher8465 i built a 3' x3' x 5" cnc machine which can hold +- 0.006" tolerances for around $300, mind you, that's usuing almost all aluminum except the wasteboard.. this machine is made from much cheaper materials (HDPE), and is very small in workspace, so a $1000 is still astronomical for what it is.
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CNC + carl + PCBS = awesome. The best cnc made pcbs tutorial man . Keep it up
Congratulations Carl, great explanation, great equipment, very clear and clean, great work
What a great Idea! This looks perfect for prototypes, and one-off designs. If I were going to mass produce anything, I would have PCB's professionally made, but, I would feel better, if I had a chance to build it, and know that I'm not having the board house make me 1,000 mistakes.
just bought a CNC and some copper clads :D hoping forward to pcb
You're such a cool dude bro. I can't even use a meter but I so much enjoy listening and learning from you!!!
Great video, well explained and entertaining. Well done !
you can do pcb's on any desktop cnc or any 3d printer, even on your ender 3
Yes you can do it with any desktop mill
I'd like to have all your skills, congratulations man
i have to try on my mill too, nice work!
Heightmap - you need it for larger PCBs since removing 0.034mm copper for FR4s requires really really flat boards that are impossible to come by. Or use 0.1-0.2mm flat 2 flute endmills which can get really expensive and good for only 8-10 7x10cm PCBs.
congratulations on winning that mill!
Thanks! 🙂
Nice
I loved your lab ☺
3199$ to 3999$ for a tiny machine to make PCBs? are they kidding us or taking us for billionaires?
INDEED! omg 3200!!!
Hahahahahaha 3000$ for a PCB mill. I bought my CNC mill for 230$ and it has auto level probing, which this machine lacks... Disgustingly expensive.
@@rojirrim7298 What make and model did you get if you don't mind me asking?
@@spamspasm8183 Of course I don't mind! Bought mine at Sainsmart during a sale, and it's the Genmitsu Pro 3018.
@@rojirrim7298 Thank you!
I love your content buddy 😄. I am learning so much from you 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Now that’s some good rapid prototyping! There’s always through-hole rivets if you want to do 2-layer boards, they work tolerably well if you use the correct size.
Wonderful.
You're a real PCB OG ✊🏿 Now I gonna make JLCPCB production at my desktop 😁🤫
Very nice, i like that !!
Amazing video! Great work...Truly a masterpiece!
The price of this machine is just impossible
you mean to high right? its to expensive thats right
Superb!!
Good job... Used similar mills at Carlo Gavazzi in Bulebel... some 20 years ago now. Used to create prototype PCBs just like you are now... I prefer milling to etching... that's way too messy. This mill is too expensive though. Subbed.
Great video , and I love your edits and video transitions! I just looked up that mill and realized that it's $3,000. I guess I'll be happy with waiting a week for my PCBs for the foreseeable future :D
Thanks! I agree it is a bit expensive for just prototyping pcbs but you can use it for other things as well
@@CarlBugeja True! I just used a small handheld Dremel tool for simple handmade PCBs, but of course the resolution on something automated is a lot higher :)
How about $120 chinese milling machine from Amazon?
@@mychevysparkevdidntcatchfi1489 I actually don't know about these. Do you have a link to one you are thinking about?
@@FriendlyWire www.amazon.de/s?k=MYSWEETY+DIY+CNC+Router&tag=al096-21
Bravo!
Amazing perfect, brathrer
I’ve been looking for a small desktop mill for a couple years, I think I may look into this one to do some of the small craft projects I’ve been wanting to do.
its $3k...
Yeah, I saw that when I went to the site, just means I need to keep looking. Though I think I found one that would suit my purposes.
Im a bit late, you could get a 3018 cnc kit of eBay. They are 150$ and are pretty capable
FlatCAM + autoprobing gives the best results for me. Without autoprobing making pcbs larger by 3 by 3cm is virtually impossible, but with autoprobing you are limited only by your milling volume.
Thank you for your videos... Interested in your microscope .. What model is it?
It's working so cool🌍👍🌞
Nice video sir
As you may know you can apply a uv solder mask and mill the extra ! Flatcam can do it at least, I don't know for the software of this cnc
Thanks I didn't know this 🙂 I will check it out
@@CarlBugeja th-cam.com/video/IbsBCMlQB_c/w-d-xo.html That's nice you can import gcode files generated with flatcam on to otherplan !
Here is an example of solder mask milling with flatcam th-cam.com/video/v7JUMlOk8DE/w-d-xo.html
Good video
You should investigate Bantam's "Bit Fan". It's a small plastic fan that fits on the shank of the cutter. It blows the dust away from the cutter.
It's particularly good for use when cutting plastic.
Looks useful! Thanks for the tip
Just watching old videos again!
nice video, the price point is crazy but making pcb's privately it the best way to go if you don't want your idea being ripped off before you go to market. Thanks!!!
Quite a piece, this one. Does it support maybe some auto leveling feature? Thanks and keep up the good stuffs! 😃
I am getting the same results from a 100$ 3018 CNC and a 10$ engraving tool. Still a good video though and congratulation on winning this machine!
Why are you don't using top surface copper scanning with touch probe?
Hi there just a quick question would you be willing to make an electronic Christmas card that has a Christmas tree with serface mounted LEDs maybe SMD5050 and some way to make them light up randomly. You could mill the pcb for this.
Does it have auto-leveling? Mine (different one) has it and it creates awesomeness :)
Yes it does 🙂
SO COOL MUY DRUG!!!
Great
Nice
How will you put the conducting layer?
My guess about first failure was that copper plate was uneven (maybe bed too). I remember watching random video with milling pcb, and before they milled pcb, they calibrated copper plate for thicknes in many points. If your machine could do that, then it would allow you to make shallower cuts. And thanks for video! :)
yes it was uneven (i think had an overlap with the double-sided tape underneath the plate). The mill does calibrate the thickness of the plate on one point and i think you can also change the settings to perform multiple points aswell
Hello my friend, I just visualize a new tube, the circuit board is manufactured without the chemical, only the alcohol at 90 °, and it possible?
Carl, im looking for help making a simple board.
Any loking for a small side job?
I etch my boards, such a messy process. I'd love one of these, but its a lot of money!
It is a bit expensive but there are also cheaper alternatives
how can get this machine can you put in description some details thank
where do you get the copper, you can buy it in the right size?
Won't the temperature of the soldering rod blow the transistors or processors. Is that gold that you use for the circuits. Why do you call it an integrated circuit? All components inside one small hardware?
Mr. Carl what is the model of your microscope used in this video.
Wouldn't using a photopolymer film and then etching be nearly as fast and way cheaper?
you need quite some time for setup and cleaning, also a mill can be used for so many other things
if you only want to make a pcb from time to time and don't need a mill for engravin, it sure is faster to etch
Yes it might be.. But like I said the whole process would be more time consuming to set up and I don't think you can get the resolution of the mill either
@@CarlBugeja for a small single sided, smt board, photo etching is a bit slower, but has equivalent or higher resolution and way cheaper in terms of equipment. (but it scales much better and you can do soldermask with the same equipment)
Making fine traces is way trickier on mills then it is with photoetching. Mills really shine when you need custom edge routing, a huge number of through holes/vias, or slots. Otherwise the inevitable cutting into the substrate is pretty universally a bad thing.
its cheaper but you have to manually cut out the pcb and the holes drilled,not worth the hustle esp if you are making 50 pcbs!
@@DeejayGrafixx if you can get away with using a shear and only have a few or no through hole components being able to make a letter page sized board in only a couple steps (clean, laminate etch resist, expose, wash, etch, strip etch resist, laminate solder mask, expose, wash) makes the photo process faster. For small boards a mill is faster, but you still need to use a photo process if you want solder mask. Plus you need to fill in the removed substrate (flood with resin and then clamp on a flat surface face down?)
is it from wood material
which microscope do you use?
Time to make my own processor
Paper for laser printer to termo-transfer + iron + acid = perfect quality homemade PCBs, and can produce very thin routes with small intervals between them. And it is no needed to buy any cnc or other equipment that have more restrictions about thickness and other params of pcb i think and see this problems in your video...
Sure all those techniques can also work (I didn't say they don't)
@@CarlBugeja just want to say that all this looks like a toy for big boys, not for serious things...even for homemade...
what program you use
Nice, you will get much better work if you blow out the chips during milling so they are not re-ingested by the mill.
What app do you use to design a pcb?
Altium Designer
What microscope are you using? Thanks
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANDONSTAR-CE-RoHS-FCC-1080P-HDMI-HD-Microscope-Magnifier-3-0-Inch-for-PCB-Repair/112204909116?pageci=fb8b0d0b-3da4-4b7b-b56c-e48bc6df10e6&epid=9004278642
Thanks 🙏
Coowl to do once but eventually the 4 days wait for a real PCB is worth it in my opinion ^^>
but still, with more complicated boards with some eventual mistakes in the design, it multiples development time and also cost in comparison with homemade one piece methods...
Two words. Rapid Prototyping. If I need to build 4 working prototypes in 24 hours, 4 days will be out of the question. This machine is mostly designed for prototyping.
4 days? it took mine 2 weeks. and are much more expensive.
I totally agree with your comment.. For sure milled pcbs are not going to replace a properly manufactured pcb but I will find it useful to quickly test parts of a new schematic or something very basic..
@@CarlBugeja I like the idea of proof testing a design, before ordering 1,000 mistakes. I think this is an economical way to prototype with surface mount components, especially, if there are mistakes, or, other components need to be added for stability of the circuit. Once perfected, that's when you place an order, and get quality PCB's.
Hey which Routing software are you using at the moment? Cheers and keep posting ***Altium Designer in -> Darkmode , I should definetly update i guess :D
I am using Altium Design 19 🙂
How will you start a new PCB Board? What information you need for the design?
You need to start by selecting the components for your schematic 🙂
Carl, muito bacana o vídeo esse CNC lê o arquivo "Gerber" ou tenho que fazer o desenho direto no aplicativo dele? E qual é o custo de um CNC desse? Obrigado por compartilhar conhecimento! Sucesso... (the text is in brazilian portuguese)
You know what would be even cooler? A link to the device you're reviewing.
How can bay this machine plz
Where do they sell it?
www.bantamtools.com/pcb-milling-machine
did not try to remove the map of heights?
Can you give link to your microscope ?
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANDONSTAR-CE-RoHS-FCC-1080P-HDMI-HD-Microscope-Magnifier-3-0-Inch-for-PCB-Repair/112204909116?pageci=3216ce81-15db-4eec-b1f9-4424bd253b1a&epid=9004278642
What software did you use
The mill has it own software that can translate the gerber files into gcode for the PCBs. For milling aluminium I used fusion 360 to generate the gcodes
Wouldnt that make it mcb instead of pcb?
use auto leveler and all will be ok from 1st try! ;-)
A million solutions, and all cheaper and better.
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Tajjeb Carl, bicca ghodda interessanti hafna.
Li tkun tista taghmel PCB f'hin relativament qasir huwa importnati meta tkun trid tiprova certu designes qabel taghmel ordni minn ghand PCB fabricator.
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Grazzi 🙂
etch or bust
well sure beats using solvent in my opinion.
What microscope is that?
What have they got? I have to make much larger boards with small chips and acid doesn't work that well on them. Open to new methods.
Hey bro..
Where i buy smd components in cheap price
I buy all my parts from Digikey / Mouser
Does it delivere in india
what is the name of the software you use to create the pcb
Altium designer 🙂
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It doesn't look like it should cost that much. Maybe I just do not understand it, and maybe it has some specific feature that mid-size R&D departments would like, but they can't be aiming this at the hobbyist market, right?
hi Carl ,you are so nice
I used a mill for PCB prototyping when I was working 20+ years ago. It cost a fortune but produced great results, we used ORCAD to design etc. I did not realise people still used them with the advent of "cheap" PCB's from China. Interesting video.
The enclosure is inadequate as milling copper will release and expose one to lead debris.
There is no lead in a PCB until it is tinned with a lead based solder. Fiberglass dust can be a different problem.
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Grazzi 🙂
Of course you can make practically anything ... you are ...
Harry Potter
(Sorry, just couldn't resist. I was trying to not say anything. But like Austin Powers when he met the Mole, it was say it or explode. )
oh, another infomercial
Agreed, absolutely useless video. I would like to know how many people can shit out 3 grand for that little bastard.
i love electronic but can't understand
Thumbs up for the accent.
I think its took more than 5 minutes
First pcb took 13min then the second one took 6min
Step 1: google, Step 2: find price, Step 3: bye
I thought to make PCBs you had to add copper to something nonconductive. How is this machine turning a solid piece of conductive copper into a PCB??? Won't the current just go everywhere?
Oh sorry, I think I understand, now. The copper is just a small layer on top of the nonconductive material and you're milling away the copper. It's just that in the video, it sounds like you're putting a solid slab of copper in the machine, not a board with a small layer of copper.
Cool video but No is way too expensive and need expensive consumables. For now a PCB toner transfer is the most flexible and accurate and the cheapest for a DIY-er like the vast majority of us.
Maltese?
Yes I am 😊
@@CarlBugeja cool. Same here. My second surname is Sammut. When I heard your accent I was sure then saw the name and I had no doubt. 😅
Cool videos. I also like to play around with electronics and microcontrollers. But don't have a cool workstation like yours. You went to UoM?
@@NDR008 yes I did 🙂 studied electronics engineering
@@CarlBugeja i went for 1.5 years too. Keep up the channel. Pretty awesome!
U talk like Sly. Sylvester Stallone.
Get a lase diode