I played a game in the past that used to have a similar system to this, called Robocraft. In that game, there was an issue where people would build vehicles with mostly 1st tier parts, but with one or two extremely over-tiered weapons, allowing them to almost one-shot most of the opposition at the cost of their vehicle being a little less tanky than the others. I would absolutely foresee this same problem occurring in Dark And Darker, where players bring in powerful weapons, but remain base kit so as to keep their gear score relatively low.
bro i killed viola and elven bard with 4 pieces. The Zero to hero potential is insane it provides a fun game loop. Your idea will only keep the rich rich and lower tier or newer players may never even see or grace good gear. good vid either way i enjoy having a opportunity to become rich in one raid sometimes.
I agree and don’t, I also love the zero to hero opportunity but I really just feel like the chances of getting that big of a win is extremely low compared to the chances of just getting wiped without much of a chance, I think if the super geared guys like that have a decent amount of experience you really have no chance other than luck, like if they got stuck with a nightmare axe mini boss agro to them 😂
I think the "git gud" argument crumbles when you consider the difference between a steamer who can play 7-8 hours per day, and us, the average joes as you put it who MIGHT play a couple of hours a day. Sure, the cracked ass streamer that plays the game consistently might be able to win against a full gold in decent gear but the fact of the matter is WE can't, I can't. Period. Good video.
This is a very good idea. Unfortunately the player base holds this back. As an alternative I was thinking about implementing a crafting system for re rolling gear to make BIS gear more obtainable for ppl that don’t have 8hrs a day to play. I used to play destiny 2 and grinding for “God rolls” aka BIS was a 2nd job and this game suffers from the same problem at end game.
I’ve been having similar problems and frustrations when getting matches with higher geared players and getting dominated without leaving a scratch. I feel like you should be able to match up against them but not as often. Every few games maybe match with a higher geared player so you could make some plays
In the same spot- I have a friend who I duo with doing zero to hero and 9/10 lobbies are currently unplayable because of the gold players that you either charisma check or they just 1 tap you. Love this game a lot but damn end of wipe is horrible
One of my best kills was a full gold rogue/demons glee unfortunately but still good. Sold for 80k.. I was green/blue geared bard.. it was close but he played it terribly and at this point I’d died enough and done enough PvP I did alright. I don’t want a 1:1 fair PvP extract game I enjoy the grind of getting better. Don’t stress on getting gear it will come once you can hold your own.. but I cannot count how many times I was nervous or died in GC way back when I first started doing HR. The fun for me was learning what I coulda done better and do it next time and eventually I took fights with confidence.. if you quit or get mad after getting destroyed or can’t accept you could have done better than yah this game is gonna be rough.. as grown ass men though the rage over a game I don’t get and I’m not judging but maybe play something else.. even though I’d love to have a huge player base this might be a niche game in todays time.. it can be difficult/unfair which most people seem to struggle with.
I play this game constantly it’s one of the games you kinda hate but love to play, I love the fact I can go into a game and have no gear and come out with a full gold kit but honestly if the guys with the gold are decent at the game at all then your chances of Actully getting out with the win are so extremely low compared to just dying bc the gear diff that it doesn’t feel worth it when it comes to how much people are able to play the game for, realistically some people can only play a few hours a day maybe 2-3 and if most of those games have people in the lobby you really don’t stand a chance against, in my opinion I think it makes the game somewhat unenjoyable for a lot of people, constantly dying to a gear diff in the few hours they can play
this would create dead lobbies, there arent enough players to make this work. it also removes the incentive to use good gear and makes it impossible to hunt gold guys with budget kits
First of all, that gold warlock you first were fighting was an issue straight off the fact that warlocks are extremely strong being able to do too much with little to no downtime and yet IM still buffs them..the gear just accentuated that even further. Anyways, I don't think there needs to be a ranked system or mmr at all. No gear score, no nada. The issue flat out was that gold gear existed in the first place and being easy to just min max rolls. They finally fixed this by removing legendary crafts entirely and making rolls from crafts and purchased armor of all rarities not visable anymore. This cuts down drastically on the amount of window shopping best in slot rolls. Also makes players have to actually find the gear in the dungeon like its supposed to be. They also made better gear very rare again (uniques being "unicorn" rare as they put it in their Q&A) and honestly I think they need to make it even rarer. I think the trading post (while I do think is a good addition) also accelerated this even more and in the future I hope they start to do what Tarkov did and lock out certain gear or rolls from being sold on there. It was an amazing change they did over time that not only forced people to find and use the gear they find creating that slow progression but also prolong the early to mid wipe which was the most fun. That was the main issue, just the sheer access to good gear with amazing rolls on it. Like you said, the players themselves weren't good, they just had insanely good gear that scaled their classes higher. Only issue now is that they made gear overall really good on everything. +All is back again and damage and pdr are absurd...
i dont know if D&D is having enough players for your Idea with spliiting lobbies but its a nice idea. But i also like that you can go from nothing to hero if u have enough luck at the fight but the game is very hard yes and frustrading
My problem is i'm bad for the pvp and i have one good AP level, i play vs very good players but i can do nothing because with the AP system you level up with the PVE not the pvp.
Exactly I really don’t think high ap should rank you with high gear players because a lot of people who farm ap don’t really wanna fight but will get hunted down by some bis gold teams
i def understand where your coming from even tho im on the opposite side from where your arguing. me and my buddys play this game pretty competitively and do have lots of gold and what not and when we go into a game is a pretty big chance there is going to be no one who is geared, or at least no where as geared as us and it is frustrating. but the reason behind this is because they are in testing for the knew wipe and ranked for high roller has ended so its just regular match making not skill based or rank based. so for now theres a lot higher chance of getting paried with people you would other wise not get paired with. come this new season some things are going to change and this problem wont really be a thing i hope. anyway, good vid keep up the work
To be honest i agree with you but usually the teams with gold gear and uniques are soooo much better than the average player that you would have no chance against them with the same gear or even with better gear than them. They just comunicate better and play better overall which is the reason they got that insane gear in the first place. But yeah a gear score would be nice but maybe some people would get a lot of empty lobbies because of the low playerbase.
Well skill based matchmaking in a lot of games sucks. I think for this game though a gear score would help. People will say it’s a “skill” issue, but tbh most of the time it’s a gear issue. I feel like most of the fights I lose are to players that just stat check me. They have gear with way better stats and I can outplay them and still get two tapped.
Exactly, honestly the more I think about it, the more I think it wouldn’t work out too well bc the low player base, but if they kept it crypts for every party size I think the lobbies would be a bit more full and players would be excited to fight other players at their gear level
I think it’s a good idea… but like it’s also impossible to make this happen with how the playerbase is, there aren’t enough people to fill this many queues. I like the idea but there aren’t enough people to make it work
Wait are you actually complaining that you cant snowball over a video of you using gold gear and losing to a team with uniques? lol if they actually implemented a gear score you would end up playing against them anyway xd the playerbase is not that big to allow uniques only lobbies xd
i feel your pain. i playwith irl who arent the best and i feel like im carrying the team so when im against 3 golden kits against a 1v3, then i already lost. if you want more friends to play with i could use some better friends xD
bro i killed viola and elven bard with 4 pieces. The Zero to hero potential is insane it provides a fun game loop. Your idea will only keep the rich rich and lower tier or newer players may never even see or grace good gear. good vid either way i enjoy having a opportunity to become rich in one raid sometimes.
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I think a gear score makes total sense! As a fellow "regular player" I appreciate your perspective and experience here. Great content man, keep it up!
Thanks I appreciate it
I played a game in the past that used to have a similar system to this, called Robocraft.
In that game, there was an issue where people would build vehicles with mostly 1st tier parts, but with one or two extremely over-tiered weapons, allowing them to almost one-shot most of the opposition at the cost of their vehicle being a little less tanky than the others.
I would absolutely foresee this same problem occurring in Dark And Darker, where players bring in powerful weapons, but remain base kit so as to keep their gear score relatively low.
bro i killed viola and elven bard with 4 pieces. The Zero to hero potential is insane it provides a fun game loop. Your idea will only keep the rich rich and lower tier or newer players may never even see or grace good gear. good vid either way i enjoy having a opportunity to become rich in one raid sometimes.
I agree and don’t, I also love the zero to hero opportunity but I really just feel like the chances of getting that big of a win is extremely low compared to the chances of just getting wiped without much of a chance, I think if the super geared guys like that have a decent amount of experience you really have no chance other than luck, like if they got stuck with a nightmare axe mini boss agro to them 😂
I think the "git gud" argument crumbles when you consider the difference between a steamer who can play 7-8 hours per day, and us, the average joes as you put it who MIGHT play a couple of hours a day. Sure, the cracked ass streamer that plays the game consistently might be able to win against a full gold in decent gear but the fact of the matter is WE can't, I can't. Period.
Good video.
This is a very good idea. Unfortunately the player base holds this back. As an alternative I was thinking about implementing a crafting system for re rolling gear to make BIS gear more obtainable for ppl that don’t have 8hrs a day to play. I used to play destiny 2 and grinding for “God rolls” aka BIS was a 2nd job and this game suffers from the same problem at end game.
I completely agree, once released on steam hopefully 99% of player base problems will be gone
They already have normals for equalized gear though. Don't go into HR if you're not prepared for it.
I can’t even take a green peice of gear into hr wdym
I’ve been having similar problems and frustrations when getting matches with higher geared players and getting dominated without leaving a scratch. I feel like you should be able to match up against them but not as often. Every few games maybe match with a higher geared player so you could make some plays
Exactly I would love that, a few games to gear up then every few games have a boss battle basically 😂
In the same spot- I have a friend who I duo with doing zero to hero and 9/10 lobbies are currently unplayable because of the gold players that you either charisma check or they just 1 tap you. Love this game a lot but damn end of wipe is horrible
Yea seriously unplayable tbh
the 'rank' system in dark and darker does not f work as it should
One of my best kills was a full gold rogue/demons glee unfortunately but still good. Sold for 80k.. I was green/blue geared bard.. it was close but he played it terribly and at this point I’d died enough and done enough PvP I did alright.
I don’t want a 1:1 fair PvP extract game I enjoy the grind of getting better. Don’t stress on getting gear it will come once you can hold your own.. but I cannot count how many times I was nervous or died in GC way back when I first started doing HR. The fun for me was learning what I coulda done better and do it next time and eventually I took fights with confidence.. if you quit or get mad after getting destroyed or can’t accept you could have done better than yah this game is gonna be rough.. as grown ass men though the rage over a game I don’t get and I’m not judging but maybe play something else.. even though I’d love to have a huge player base this might be a niche game in todays time.. it can be difficult/unfair which most people seem to struggle with.
I play this game constantly it’s one of the games you kinda hate but love to play, I love the fact I can go into a game and have no gear and come out with a full gold kit but honestly if the guys with the gold are decent at the game at all then your chances of Actully getting out with the win are so extremely low compared to just dying bc the gear diff that it doesn’t feel worth it when it comes to how much people are able to play the game for, realistically some people can only play a few hours a day maybe 2-3 and if most of those games have people in the lobby you really don’t stand a chance against, in my opinion I think it makes the game somewhat unenjoyable for a lot of people, constantly dying to a gear diff in the few hours they can play
this would create dead lobbies, there arent enough players to make this work. it also removes the incentive to use good gear and makes it impossible to hunt gold guys with budget kits
Yea player base is the biggest problem
First of all, that gold warlock you first were fighting was an issue straight off the fact that warlocks are extremely strong being able to do too much with little to no downtime and yet IM still buffs them..the gear just accentuated that even further.
Anyways, I don't think there needs to be a ranked system or mmr at all. No gear score, no nada. The issue flat out was that gold gear existed in the first place and being easy to just min max rolls. They finally fixed this by removing legendary crafts entirely and making rolls from crafts and purchased armor of all rarities not visable anymore. This cuts down drastically on the amount of window shopping best in slot rolls. Also makes players have to actually find the gear in the dungeon like its supposed to be. They also made better gear very rare again (uniques being "unicorn" rare as they put it in their Q&A) and honestly I think they need to make it even rarer. I think the trading post (while I do think is a good addition) also accelerated this even more and in the future I hope they start to do what Tarkov did and lock out certain gear or rolls from being sold on there. It was an amazing change they did over time that not only forced people to find and use the gear they find creating that slow progression but also prolong the early to mid wipe which was the most fun.
That was the main issue, just the sheer access to good gear with amazing rolls on it. Like you said, the players themselves weren't good, they just had insanely good gear that scaled their classes higher.
Only issue now is that they made gear overall really good on everything. +All is back again and damage and pdr are absurd...
i dont know if D&D is having enough players for your Idea with spliiting lobbies but its a nice idea. But i also like that you can go from nothing to hero if u have enough luck at the fight but the game is very hard yes and frustrading
Agrees
My problem is i'm bad for the pvp and i have one good AP level, i play vs very good players but i can do nothing because with the AP system you level up with the PVE not the pvp.
Exactly I really don’t think high ap should rank you with high gear players because a lot of people who farm ap don’t really wanna fight but will get hunted down by some bis gold teams
i def understand where your coming from even tho im on the opposite side from where your arguing. me and my buddys play this game pretty competitively and do have lots of gold and what not and when we go into a game is a pretty big chance there is going to be no one who is geared, or at least no where as geared as us and it is frustrating. but the reason behind this is because they are in testing for the knew wipe and ranked for high roller has ended so its just regular match making not skill based or rank based. so for now theres a lot higher chance of getting paried with people you would other wise not get paired with. come this new season some things are going to change and this problem wont really be a thing i hope. anyway, good vid keep up the work
To be honest i agree with you but usually the teams with gold gear and uniques are soooo much better than the average player that you would have no chance against them with the same gear or even with better gear than them. They just comunicate better and play better overall which is the reason they got that insane gear in the first place. But yeah a gear score would be nice but maybe some people would get a lot of empty lobbies because of the low playerbase.
we are like 3-4 months into the wipe dude there is gunna be tons of geared players just wait till wipe like some of my friends are doing
I’m saying for the long run
too many potions/bandages/util items
Well skill based matchmaking in a lot of games sucks. I think for this game though a gear score would help. People will say it’s a “skill” issue, but tbh most of the time it’s a gear issue. I feel like most of the fights I lose are to players that just stat check me. They have gear with way better stats and I can outplay them and still get two tapped.
@@oloriun maybe in the future
Exactly, honestly the more I think about it, the more I think it wouldn’t work out too well bc the low player base, but if they kept it crypts for every party size I think the lobbies would be a bit more full and players would be excited to fight other players at their gear level
I think it’s a good idea… but like it’s also impossible to make this happen with how the playerbase is, there aren’t enough people to fill this many queues. I like the idea but there aren’t enough people to make it work
@@Sybreeds5 I think so too and it really sucks tbh
@@Sybreeds5 yea not enough for now
Wait are you actually complaining that you cant snowball over a video of you using gold gear and losing to a team with uniques? lol if they actually implemented a gear score you would end up playing against them anyway xd the playerbase is not that big to allow uniques only lobbies xd
Yea playerbase is really the biggest factor
i feel your pain. i playwith irl who arent the best and i feel like im carrying the team so when im against 3 golden kits against a 1v3, then i already lost. if you want more friends to play with i could use some better friends xD
bro i killed viola and elven bard with 4 pieces. The Zero to hero potential is insane it provides a fun game loop. Your idea will only keep the rich rich and lower tier or newer players may never even see or grace good gear. good vid either way i enjoy having a opportunity to become rich in one raid sometimes.