Heck yeah Paul !! I love my old buzz saws. Been working with 'em 60+ years now. I've got a whole playlist of buzz saw vids:th-cam.com/play/PLk72G9DTzZ1tJEjzkfIvq8dY--UWCpl4-.html Thanks for the visit today.
Well I am glad to have sparked a few good memories Gary !! These saws can process a lot more material quicker than a chainsaw. And without dulling the saw as easily too. Thank yiu for stopping by today.
Spent some time helping my dad do this and some time on my own. I have the saw now. And a couple belts. AND the tractor my dad used to power it - a Standard Twin built in Minnesota. He used it for about any size wood he could lift up onto the cradle. I don't use it much anymore though I do burn slabs (and larger wood). For slabs I built a cradle to lay the 8 foot (100 inch) wood on and cut it with a chain saw. It goes quickly and not a lot of handling. But mostly use the chain saw to save what life is left in the old Standard Twin. Love that sound. Nothing like it. Takes me back. Thanks for posting this.
Well, that's another thing I like to do...spark a good memory in the minds of some of the viewers of a time long passed. You'd be surprised how many comments are given that are very similar to yours. Sometimes its about a specific tractor, saw or activity...but I do enjoy bringing memories to the forefront of thought if only for a quick moment. Thanks for the time you've taken to watch some of the older videos...I do appreciate it !!
Well...these are pto driven pulleys for flat belt driven accessories...like a silage blower, or a hammer mill or hey...a buzz saw !! What you are thinking of is the heavy cast flywheels on the left side of a lot of the older John Deeres. THOSE are for hand starting. I'm glad you enjoyed stepping back in time a bit today with the buzz saw in operation !!
The Massey sounds awesome when the governor kick in, lovely machine, I hold my breath when you cut a big piece from the top down, first I thought it will grab the wood and slam it on the platform, awesome video Wendell
This rig has a 8" tall backstop on the backside of the worktable Jan. To keep what you describe from happening, I rest the larger slabs at an angle to the blade but resting on or up against the backstop. I should have indicated that in the video. I just didn't think of it. If it were to pinch the slab in any way, the belt would just slide right off the rapidly slowing blade/pulley.
Just found your channel thank for the content sir you are very well spoken and a great teacher. Im young and it's great to have wise experienced men like yourself sharing knoweldge. Your property looks beautiful too! Much respect to you. Fortunately not all us young folks are weak and woke, i look forward to living a life of honest work, respect and dignity. I wish you luck and prosperity
Now that's a powerful lot of kind words to be spoken by just one young man....thank you very much for visiting and leaving such a candid comment. I think with your positive outlook, Lady Luck will be on your side and properity will be right there with her !!
I'm back lol. I can't wait till my wood yard looks like yours and this is my full time job everyday! Out my back door, cross my driveway with coffee in my hand to start cutting or into the truck to take a load or pickup wood. I'm sure it won't be without head aches or the just don't feel like'its sometimes but It will be on my time!
Hang in there Eric....all good things in time. The key is to not make the process a burden. I too do it at my own pace on my own time but I welcome the help from the son or son in law too. I just to prefer doing it without extreme cold or snow. Good luck my friend.
Well we had a ton of it back on the home place. Buzz saw, hammer mill, 36'' planer, circle mill, silage blower to name a few. Thanks Greg for the visit today.
@@gregbrock6494 heck yeah. Let me know how to find it and I’ll take a looksee. I need ideas on what to do to build a cart for it and the saw. I’ve got wheels, a rotted frame and rusty bolster from my the 15 hp Fairbanks my dad and uncles contributed to the scrap iron drive during WW2. My brother has the flywheels in his yard.
Thanks Zane...btw this tractor is one of several back here in the woods that have the 162 Flathead Continental in it. Thanks for stopping in, I appreciate your taking the time.
Man yeah Mr Wendell!! I absolutely love the different camera angles!! You sir are a scholar my friend, boy you sure have been around to do alot of things!!! I learn something here every time!! I love the commentary down in the shots explaining things!! You are the man!! True grit my friend!!! I love it, thank you so much for sharing all the great things you are into all the time!! 😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hot doggies Nelson, I am glad you enjoy the efforts. I've said before I sure ain't no Steven Spielberg or Martin Scorsese as far as directors go, but I don't do bad portraying Festus from Gunsmoke if he was to be living this day and time anyway. Well, he didn't wear glasses....but we look a lot alike. Sorry, got carried away, my head must be getting big or something. LOL I DO appreciate the time you take from your busy schedule to watch my silliness though for sure !! Have a great evening my friend.
I think the advent of small, light wieght compact chain saws is what made the buzz saw somewhat obsolete. I'd still like the find the buzz saw attatchement for the fifties Simplicity walking tractor I recovered from my inlaw's shed, sat since the early 80's. I un stuck an exhaust valve on the old cast iron Briggs (model 19D) and filed the points, it popped right off! I recall the wood for the home I grew up in being milled on a mill powered by a '37 John Deere A.
I actually have a front mounted buzz saw that came off of a '39 John Deere A as well. It's not a tilt top but a roller top. Good and bad, because the rollers get bound up by sawdust or small chips pretty easily. That's cool that you got the Simplicity up and running. I have a late 50's Simplicity rider.
Hey there Tman ! I must admit that it made me cringe when you fired up that belt without figure 8ing the belt. I was taught and shown early in life, a figure 8 keeps the belt on the pulleys and gives you better grip. Good to see a swing table working. They are much easier to use than a sliding table ! you don't have to stop and clean sawdust out of the guide rails ! Another gem of a vid Wendell. Keep up the good work ! Alex
Sliding tables are a bit of a problem. I have an old one off a John Deere A. They get jammed too easily like you said. We use the twist to reverse the rotation and usually on a much longer belt than this little short guy here. As long as both pulleys have a crown, and you have fair alignment, the belts pretty much hold their own and stay on. The big problem with this is its so old and dry hardened. It will settle down a bit better with another few hours of warming and stretching. Thanks Alex for stopping in for a visit and reminding me of the aggravation of the sliding tables. On another note though, they were still better than using a chain saw for the slabs and pole wood.... I'm sure you agree with that too.
I know what you're doing. But you have way different ground then we do here! You be lucky to drive that rod a foot in the ground here. Makes everything more interesting. Rocks can be good thing sometimes though. Carry on.
The main thing is to not place anything that carries blood through your body in contact with the sharp things going around in a circle LOL LOL and I the rest that you have written Sir, I click on the link and it has some nice looking lady ( rachel !!! ) LOL Very nice buzz saw video Sir and it is bringing me good memory : ) Cheers
I see you done went and read the description Dave !! I just can't help myself sometimes...LOL But you gotta admit, its IS sound advice isn't it. LOL That and count your fingers before AND after using the saw rig. If the numbers matche, it was a good day !!
Nice work love the video just got one is set up with a gas motor I have never used one before so you’re video is giving me more confidence Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Awesome !! I hope it works out well for you. I have a lot of these buzz saw videos in playlists. Some detail some safety thoughts to consider, some are just sawing and some are servicing the blades and shaping the teeth. Here's a LONG one that covers about half the safety points to consider: th-cam.com/video/2J0trs7CF_Y/w-d-xo.html Hopefully you will find it interesting. Let me know in the comments if you watch a few and thank you for watching this one today.
You have a good process there. Even though I heat with wood and cut all my wood with a crosscut saw (just for the exercise) I have been thinking of picking up a buzz saw to use on my Johnpopper, just for the fun of it. Even though the sapwood will have much more moisture in it when cut I'd say that the heat content and weight will be the same when dried to the same moisture content. After all, sap wood does turn into heartwood in the tree.
We try to use all the branches down to 3 or 4 inches. I just hate to see so much go to waste. Sometimes though we just have to go off and leave it. There is a lot of heat in it and its actually pretty easy to process with a buzz saw too. Sure beats using a chain saw because no matter how careful you are, the tip is just going to hit the dirt a time or two cutting a load. I have a couple of dad's old crosscut saws...5', 6' and the big one at 7'. I have the big one over my fireplace. I haven't been on the business end of a cross cut for probably 50 years....my hats off to ya Jim!!
Well, that's not good Bryce...LOL But that happens to the best of us. LOL This old belt hadn't been unrolled in at least a year. It's needing a good hard 4 or 5 hours of use to get the kinks worked out of it. It'll stretch out and settle down before too long. I try to keep it dry but invariably some rain gets under the tarp which in turn is not good for the belt at all. Sad thing is just about the time it gets itself in good flexible working order, it's time to park it again for another year !!
It’s an art to sharpen and put set in the blades. Dont know if you have ever showed that before. I always went around 4 times and a different angle each time acceding to the tooth. Some9ne might be interestedd in that. No asking you to reinvent the wheel but it is a process. Live the video!
Oh heck yeah Bruce. One of my first ever vids was (poorly done) showing how my dad taught me to reshape the teeth then grind the gullets and sharpen the teeth on a lathe. I've since done several more videos on sharpening them them too. Here's one of the later ones using a Belsaw sharpening machine: th-cam.com/video/ezvZ7u8jUwE/w-d-xo.html There are several more too. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed todays video !!
I’ve never seen them sharpened with a machine before. I was used in milling file to sharpen the teeth and then to hammers to put a set in the teeth. That’s pretty neat!
@@tinkerinbruce6560 I too filed by hand for many many years then set 'em with two hammers. Actually I still do touch them up like that on occasion. Sometimes they just need a stroke or two to bring them back to life.
@@tractorman4461 I need to study that machine of yours just a little closer. That is really interesting. I started the channel myself. If you get a chance take a look at it and I have an old Farmall M that I hook the Dyno up to it and try to give an explanation on how it works.
I grew up with a 3 point hitch and an idler wheel for the tension, my father gave it when we built a hydraulic wood splitter, but it's nice to old machinery still working, and no I don't mean the man
That's cool. There's many different ways to use these things for sure. But I figure what ever works for you is the best way to do it. Like anything there's not just one way that's 'right' !! Well, old machinery is just about ALL I have to work with. I couldn't imagine using something new. But....I DID buy the little B7100 Kubota new in '82. That's the last new thing I've bought. Thanks for the added input Ben, I appreciate you guys kicking in with your experiences.
I use this one so infrequently that it hardens under the tarp. Usually by the time I get done with the pole wood pile, its stretched out and a bit more pliable and it settles into a good smooth rhythm. But yes, we used the belt dressing sticks as well as a liquid dressing in a long neck container. It resembled a liquid tar. But I can see how just about anything sticky like sorghum would work just fine!! Thanks Mark, for stopping in today with a comment.
Dad and I have buzzed wood with his 101jr and Farmall H. First season we used a woodstove I hauled hardwood 2×3 banding boards from work. Ran em through the buzzsaw and made quick work of it. AL B.
Remember how the ringing of the blade would hurt your ears on occasion...?? I've gotten to where I stick ear plugs in all the time. That's good to have gotten the scrap wood from work Al. I'm sure your dad appreciated it. Free heat !!
Wendell, I know you are way to young to remember our Grandfather. I see that is snowed last night. You can be sure if it snowed he WANTED the slab pile sawed up he needed some slab wood. No matter how much it snowed we sawed slabs. It was not fun at all. We always got wet from our belt down to our shoes. Our slabs were 16 to 18 feet long a lot of times. Green Tractor 37
Well, I never was around the saw rig with him, but dad had some of the same tendencies because invariably a snowy day is when we'd work on the slab pile. I always hated getting cold and wet and the ground would get so darn slick. I was always stuck on the tail end of the slabs with dad griping at me for pinching the blade !! Always my fault. LOL
I have some of that belt conditioner that will make the belt stick better. Years ago I put some on the on the belt on my car to stop it from squealing. I'll never do that again.
I agree, the old belt dressing is made for the old belting like these used on the buzz saw and not for the petroleum based rubberish serpentine belts of today. I've used it on slipping 'V' belts on occasion with adequate success though. Was your bad experience on the older V's or the newer styled old serpentine ?
Well I’ll be Ole Buddy, I was doing the same thing today, cutting firewood but with me Sthil! So I’m doing my evening tippin and sippin your way as I watch you slabbin away! I see quite a few homes with a pile of slab wood they get from the saw mills in the area. In fact there are 3-4 saw mills within 2-6 miles of here. But I have lots of oak to saw, split and stack. Have a nice dry pile too. So have a Lovely Saturday eve and I’ll be toasting you in the morning, Squeezez too! DaveyJO
Good deal DaveyJO....in the wood pile makin' a little wood for the winter. Awesome...we are in tune ain't we...just a gettin' it before the snow flies !! But you want to know something crazy...?? I got up at 430 this morning to 5'' of fluffy white all over the place. Now just TWO days ago mind you, I was sweating in a tee shirt cutting wood at 83* !! I'll be have a little JO in the morning with the Missus talking about good ol' DaveyJO and Alice half world away !!
@@tractorman4461 it’s 5am and time for drippin and tippin and sippin to my Friends in the western winter wonderland? Indeed odd weather we’re having! It was in the 70 s here and suppose to freeze today or tonight I believe Alice said. But we ain’t livin in Florida hurricane alley. It’s a nice state to visit if you enjoy bumper car highways or gators I recon. Alice’s son Cris and his wife Tori live just outside of Savanna and when I ask how’s the weather, he says in the 70s and it’s 20s here? Well shiver me timbers! But like they say, wherever you are that’s where you’re at,,,,,,,or whatever. Anyway, I’m gettin hup so I can tip and sip and send Super Sunday Squeezez youzez way! I need some vitamin J fer ser! Snow man at 44? Tu tu inna drawer! Hello woolzeez! Happy Day Lovlies! DaveyJO
@@daveyjoweaver6282 The weather is almost as crazy as our politics....but THAT topic ol' buddy, is one that will never be a topic here. LOL Pendulum swings as a pendulum do.... and that's all I gotta say about that and the weather too !! LOL Enjoy the coffee of the day.....I am and so far a lot of it. I've been typing like crazy to answer all the comments on this video...I'm thinkin' guys kinka are liking the buzz saw. Either that or they wanna see blood n guts fly !! LOL
@@tractorman4461 I’m downing the Vit.J myself aimed your way! I do like your political policy but I don’t want to see blood and guts, especially yours. I mean we have future JO to toast and stories to tell face to face in the future. And I want to before they kick us out of the pearly gates for hangin around the coffee bar all the time, eh? Plus I’m sure those gates need maintained each and every so often and who better than the JO Brothers? I hope they let me in with my Squeezen record! Plus we’d more than likely have a little bit of control over those gates. Could even fake people out,,,,,You, You want in here? Hahahahahahahahahahaahha! Just kidding! Anyway, I’m sure we’d have some fun. Having a wing and halo repair shop, the possibilities are infinite,fer ser! Best go out and bring in some stove wood. I should probably stop by there and get some of that slab wood you were hackin away at. I do think it’s amusing how some folks worry about safety on that good ole buzz saw. I see people all the time driving as they are foolin with their cell phones and they worry about the buzzsaw? Respect is key with everything I life, which brings out that old saying, mess around, lay around! I’ve got all my fingers fro being respectful. A guy said to me once, you ain’t much of a woodworker if you got all your fingers. I said no, I ain’t a stupid woodworker. I know a guy who lost all four fingers down to the hand because he was in a hurry at the last minuet and didn’t use a push block on a12” jointer. Happened in a split second. He even said, I knew better than that! It was his good hand so he had to relearn everything and writing was one of the toughest he said. I don’t think it’s that we’ve been lucky but respectful. Stuff can still happen of course but it ain’t about luck! P,us, drinkingJO creates wisdom not to do dumb caca! Okay, bettergit me sum woot inna house. A FINE Day to you Good Folks of The 44 Kind with Squeezinz! DaveyJO
@@daveyjoweaver6282 Yes, very true word about knowing and respecting the equipment. My dad lost a finger, half a thumb and one eye at the age of 7 due to a dynamite cap....but that was 1916 or so. My Much Older Brother pared down his index finger on an old Delta lathe when a short board kicked out on him. Yep, sharpened one side like a pencil...just that quick !! Our Uncle Chippo lost the end of one finger on the sawmill, and that's a funny story too. Can't start that one here though. Another time he caught his old bibs in the flat belt powering the 36'' planer and took one leg down to the underwear !! He sure looked funny running down across the cow lot with his pearly while leg sticking out and the other one still with the top of the bibs holding on the one remaining pants leg !! But that too is another story....for the time sittin' under the tree and the bottomless pottaJO !! On the other hand, I ain't so sure I'll be in the lineup for the pearly gates....jus' sayin'..LOL
That's awesome Mark !! I'm glad to hear that. Is it a rig that may come to live with you or was it a friend or family member.... Hopefully it was good and sharp for you !!
If you get some castor oil it will soften that belt up, only run a small stream at a time and you will have to apply it a few times, it will grab ahold when the rubber coating gets pliable again
That's good information Chris, I'll have to try that. I do have some spray dressing as well as a couple old worn down stick dressing tubes. Most of the time I don't have trouble past the first use of the season. It usually settles down, stretches as it warms and does pretty well.
Yes, they do. Our silo was on an incline, and we had a sawmill timber to back the right rear wheel onto to level out the tractor. And on windy days, we'd even drive a 6' pry bar in the ground near the front end of the row crop Massey to help keep the 8'' belt with a twist running where it needed to. Of course I'm just remembering the old days, and you are living them now !! Its all good though. Thanks Donald for the visit today.
I didn’t get my Ford 9N running this fall. I retired a week ago and hopefully I will find the time for these neglected projects. It was heart warming to see the old Dearborn back in action. Mine is patiently waiting for me to get the old Ford back up to speed and then she’s ready to chew into some firewood for me. I am thinking of doing something different with the Fords exhaust. It of course is a grass burner. After a day of sawing, it is common to have a headache. I am blaming that on the exhaust blowing right at my feet all day
Yes Gary, that exhaust is not good for you blowing out the back like that. We rerouted a couple of them to turn out then up to blow the exhaust away from our ankles. That ruins your day in a hurry doesn't it.
@@johndowe7003 I never did like those horizontal pipes under the floor board of the tractor. Especially bad raking straw, because of the heat. You don't want to stop and take a break with the tractor straddling a windrow !!
@@tractorman4461 , it runs all the way to the back of the tractor, underneath. Besides all the exhaust fumes, it is constantly blowing the saw dust up in the air and in my face.
He and I probably came up about the same Smity...country, no running water or indoor plumbing or central heat. Just a cook stove and a King heater in another room.
I am interested in why that belt doesn't just fly off. I don't see any ridges on the tractor side or the saw side of the belt pulleys. Thanks for making the video. Cheers!
Most, but not all flat belt pulleys have a slight 'crown' in them. That crown actually bows the width of the belt over slightly with rotation and that's what keeps them on track. As soon as it comes off the bottom of the crowned pulley they go flat once again to head to the other pulley. Now mind you, the two pulleys have to be pretty darn close to running parallel with each other too. So you don't need 'sideboards' on the edges of the pulleys. But this little Dearborn saw DOES have that little square opening made of 3/8 rod that's in line with its pulley for the belt to pass through...but I've never seen them rub the edge of the belt.
@@peacefieldfarm_mn Thanks for the compliment...but like I tell everyone, I just make it up as I go along. LOL Thanks again, I DO appreciate you guys and the comments. I learn a lot from viewers as well. THAT, my friend, is what this medium is all about as far as I'm concerned....sharing information freely. Hope to see you around for a while !!
Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate that for sure. Usually I pick them up at farm auctions. I bought a monstrous pile of them all different lengths and widths for a couple bucks a while back. Plus I did a job at a belting facility and got a lot of new off cuts...from 2 1/2'' up to 8'' wide. Lots of partial rolls. Then I've got my own lacing tools too. The local farm store sells the standard size lacing material that's typical for old low speed farm equipment.
@@isaiahshaffer I'm sure it would. I have an old Landis leather cutting tool that I use to trim wide material down for smaller machines. But a good razor knife and a good grip, you should be able to do the same thing. It might not be too bad though, because they aren't that thick are they? Of course you'll need a lacing tool to make the joint. Good luck Isaiah...
@@tractorman4461 the ones for our new holland are 7”, I think John Deere uses a 4” and an 8” and 12”. And they come pre-laced so you definitely have lots of options! For right now the old belt is holding up but I’m sure curiosity will have my trying one soon haha
Thanks Wendell for another great video. I never was around flat belts so I was wondering why they put twist on the belts. Is it to reverse direction? And I swear I saw the put a twist on a belt where direction doesn't matter, even a full twist. I don't know, all that was before my time.
Not all tractors have the belt pulley on the same side and not all equipment is powered from the same side. So the twist is entirely for changing the direction of the pull of the belt on the equipment. I've never seen a double twist, but hundreds of single twists and many more straight on. If you have a straight belt like this one here, sometimes there will be a spring loaded idler pulley on the return side of the belt, opposite of the power side. The power side will always be taught under load, unlike the more slack return side. Make sense Rick...?? A lot of times on a hammer mill or a silage blower or even a saw mill, you will see exceptionally long flat belts. That's so all you need is good alignment and minimal tension on the belt. It can sag big time out in the middle but the sheer weight of the long belt provides the friction to turn the machine...what ever it is.
Depending on the grit in the bark, not more than twice a season. Sometimes only once. I literally just uploaded the video of converting this saw for temporary use as a stationary unit. Virtually minutes ago. Thanks Robert for stopping in for a visit.
All I got to say about that is, man what a great video Wendell. I remember seeing that piece of equipment on my tour. You all have a great weekend. How close are you to having the wood shed filled?
Just think, if I'd have had the old tractor in place we could've sawed a couple right then and there !! That section is pretty darn close to full now, but I still have the rest of the center section of the shed to fill. But we are still loading out of that section what's left over from last year. Right now there is just at 26 cord (3,328 cu ft ) split and stacked not counting the big piles outside the shed and under tin for the shops. That at the very minimum is another 5 cord (640 cu ft). Some stacked, some just piled.
I haven't thrown a belt in many moons, but with the weight of them and the slow speed in feet per minute, they just flop to the ground. Usually you throw the belt on start up while aligning the pulleys. They just flop to the ground with a plop....usually. Once aligned and up to speed we'd very seldom sling one off. Occasionally when filling silo though, we'd drive a spud bar in the ground about even with the front of the tractor because with a 100' long 8'' wide belt if the wind is blowing pretty stiff, it can blow them enough to cause 'em to drive off the drive pulley. Especially if you're running a twist. More of the flat surface is exposed to the wind with a twist. No twist and the wind blows mostly blows through, not against. Make sense...??
I forgot to add one thing....it happens so infrequently to me. If you pinch the blade by shifting the slab halfway through the cut, it will pinch and slow the blade so quickly that the belt will just slip off and flop to the ground. In case of a severe pinch it will literally stop the blade as the belt is thrown.
Learned lots from this video there eh! I'm from Southeast Canada, thanks for sharing... have u ever used molasses on the belt to make it sticky... thanks for sharing
We used a pine tar stiff liquid back in the day on the flat belts for the silage blower, hammer mill, sawmill and 35'' planer. Also we'd use a belt dressing stick that I still have remnants of. I can see where molasses would serve the purpose pretty well though.
@tractorman4461 been working on my buss-saw hopefully get it going soon did a video the other day powered by my OC4 Oliver Crawler but the bearing shot on the saw lol check it out and give any advice would be appreciated there eh!
Still easier, less tiring and therefore less dangerous using a buzz saw on smaller wood than it is to try and use a chainsaw on a pile of it. It ALL has it's danger- buzz saws, chainsaws, axes, hand saws, all of it. Use the best tool you have for the job as safely as you can. Semper Fi.
No words more true have ever been spoken Bret. The key to safety is common sense along with knowing the tool or machine. Heck, for me using this buzz saw isn't anywhere near as dangerous as riding a crotch rocket 100 mph on a busy freeway. LOL And for what its worth my dad always said its safer around a guy taking a dump than a guy swinging an axe.... Good point, but I always replied I didn't want to be near either of those guys !! Semper Fi. Have a wonderful day and happy sawing.
Yes Tony they sure do. And yes I have some old worn down sticks of it. We also have a thick black liquid dressing we use. But I don't really use it that often. The flopping wasn't caused by loss of friction though, its just such and old and worn belt that stays rolled up 90% of the time. It always settles down by the time I'm done sawing for the season.
Well there is one job that you don't want to do a lot of talking with your hands. My neighbors growing up had one mounted on a John Deere A. I wanted to get it at his estate sale but someone I knew In the family was bidding on it so I didn't bid. Would like to find one for my John Deere B. It's easy to get the B into the woods
I actually have a slide-top saw rig off a John Deere A back in the woods. Its all there except the blade. We had ours mounted on the front of a little Massey Harris 101 Junior...about the same size as the JD B. It was nice and easy to slip into the woods too. Good luck on finding one close.
The old ones like this take a good several hours to warm up from friction to stretch out all the kinks. I had to stop and tighten the belt a couple times on this video. You can tell because the blade slows in the cut. Now you can also put a weighted or spring loaded idler pully on the return side of the belt to keep tension on it too. I just have never taken the time to set one up. But you'll see a lot of old timers with their buzz saws set up like that. As long as you have your pulleys close to perfect in alignment, the belts will stay on due to the 'crown' that's in most all the pulleys. The ones that are fully flat are a bit more tricky. The flopping is aggravating but they will settle in eventually. My problem is it sits for about a year between uses and sometimes the tarp lets in a little moisture. Bad for the belt. Wider and longer belts don't have to have a ton of tension on them because the weight of the long belt provides it itself.
All right! Yes I watched this video and tried to pick up how you dealt with them, TY. We have two nice looking old belts, a pulley on the tractor, various old pto-to-pulley attachments and a heavy old grain grinder with perfect hardware on it. I'm really thinking of making something useful out of it, maybe a backup generator or cutoff saw.. This has me thinking ... I could try it and maybe live to tell the tale! But just because @Tractorman44 can do it, doesn't mean I can neccessarily lol.
@@___PK__ Hahahahahaha....fun comment P K.. I like it a lot. The grain grinder you are referring to may be a hammer mill. If it has a blower and a vertical discharge chute it is. But I'd have to see a picture to tell for sure. And heck yeah, you can do it !! If I can do it....it's gotta be easy !! LOL Hang in there the right idea will come along. But in preparation, make sure the belts stay dry and out of the weather to keep them in nice condition. Good Luck !!
Usually at farm auctions. I bought a monstrous pile of them all different lengths and widths for a couple bucks a while back. Plus I did a job at a belting facility and got a lot of new off cuts...from 2 1/2'' up to 8'' wide. Lots of partial rolls. Then I've got my own lacing tools too.
@@tractorman4461 wow that's cool. It reminds me of a couple of different places the closest one to you would be down there and silver Dollar City. At one time they had a whole shop running off of steam engines if I remember right. Lots of belts driving a lot to things and I think it branched out to a couple of other shops as well. Maybe OSHA maybe insurance considerations maybe it was time just to step it up. But I understand from friends of mine that there really is only remnants of that left for show not so much for go. I only ask cuz I've got a John Deere industrial B Johnny popper at fordson tractor and a Ford commercial 9N I think it is. It's yellow. I thought this would be a good little piece of equipment to invest in to increase my self-reliance. I'm looking at my next generation more than for myself. Darn if it don't sound like my dad and his dad before him now. What does the future hold? That's a whole another channel haha
@@CAROLDDISCOVER-2025 Oh yeah, my friend...THAT topic would require a lotta conversation...LOL The old shop you are talking about was powered by a steam engine through a line shaft. They typically run the full length of a shop and powered virtually every machine in the shop off that one shaft. Each machine had a step pulley with usually a 1 1/2 or 2'' flat belt coming down from the line shaft. They'd engage and disengage each machine by a hand lever hanging from up above. I have a milling machine from around 1909 that I rigged a motor to drive a jackshaft that drives a wooden sheave that drives the 4'' flat belt to drive the machine !! It's really cool too. Line shafts phased out by the l940's for new machinery.
@@tractorman4461 I'd like to have some thing that would bore and remove dirt from a crawl space. Have a project we bought. Approximately 120 year old house. Want to remove dirt for a storm cellar. Run off a tractor or similar power plant. Hand dig just slow. But have a 5ft cubic area already dug out. Any ideas 💡? Old tool or otherwise?
@@CAROLDDISCOVER-2025 I got nothing for ya on that one. If its coming out dry as its dug, maybe an old tubular grain elevator would work....stick the end through a hole in a wood box and shovel dirt into the box. But dirt is much heavier than grain and it probably wouldn't move it too good. Maybe a trough style old hay elevator...slide it down the steps and set bucket fulls of dirt one at a time like a bale of hay....LOL That's the best I got. Take a look at some old sawmill videos and the way they move the sawdust out to the pile. A gear reduction, chain, paddles and some 2x6's would be a good start. Still a long shot. Good luck, I'm at a loss...
I've seen those too. Really a cool setup. We had the old one mounted on the front of a Massey Harris 101 Junior. Then I adapted it later for my dad's 101 Super. The other ones I have are for three point.
Yes you're right, I aligned the tractor slightly off this time. The old belt is so dry and hard it takes a while to run itself in too. Then by that time I'm done with the pile and it gets rolled back up again for months at a time.
I sure can relate to that belt being old and stiff. Especially when it's cold outside!
Boy ain't that the truth Matt !! Knees, back, shoulders....name it. LOL
That buzz saw works a treat. Love to see the old stuff in action.
Heck yeah Paul !! I love my old buzz saws. Been working with 'em 60+ years now. I've got a whole playlist of buzz saw vids:th-cam.com/play/PLk72G9DTzZ1tJEjzkfIvq8dY--UWCpl4-.html Thanks for the visit today.
I used to cut wood with my Dad using a portable saw similar to yours. Your video brought back some great memories. Thank you.
Well I am glad to have sparked a few good memories Gary !! These saws can process a lot more material quicker than a chainsaw. And without dulling the saw as easily too. Thank yiu for stopping by today.
Spent some time helping my dad do this and some time on my own. I have the saw now. And a couple belts. AND the tractor my dad used to power it - a Standard Twin built in Minnesota. He used it for about any size wood he could lift up onto the cradle. I don't use it much anymore though I do burn slabs (and larger wood). For slabs I built a cradle to lay the 8 foot (100 inch) wood on and cut it with a chain saw. It goes quickly and not a lot of handling. But mostly use the chain saw to save what life is left in the old Standard Twin. Love that sound. Nothing like it. Takes me back. Thanks for posting this.
Well, that's another thing I like to do...spark a good memory in the minds of some of the viewers of a time long passed. You'd be surprised how many comments are given that are very similar to yours. Sometimes its about a specific tractor, saw or activity...but I do enjoy bringing memories to the forefront of thought if only for a quick moment. Thanks for the time you've taken to watch some of the older videos...I do appreciate it !!
Plenty of good video and memories there Tractorman44! An old Massey and buzzsaw! Perfect combination 🙂
Hot dang Larry... I like the way you think !! LOL Thanks for the time you took to watch and comment.
I always thought the pulley on the side was like a flywheel or some kinda means to start the tractor. This is super cool!!!! Thank you!
Well...these are pto driven pulleys for flat belt driven accessories...like a silage blower, or a hammer mill or hey...a buzz saw !! What you are thinking of is the heavy cast flywheels on the left side of a lot of the older John Deeres. THOSE are for hand starting. I'm glad you enjoyed stepping back in time a bit today with the buzz saw in operation !!
You got what you got and it’s a lot more than you had before you started.....Brings back old memories of sawing with my father......CHEERS
Thanks Gator for the visit...fun times with dad...glad to have brought back a memory or two my friend.
The Massey sounds awesome when the governor kick in, lovely machine, I hold my breath when you cut a big piece from the top down, first I thought it will grab the wood and slam it on the platform, awesome video Wendell
This rig has a 8" tall backstop on the backside of the worktable Jan. To keep what you describe from happening, I rest the larger slabs at an angle to the blade but resting on or up against the backstop. I should have indicated that in the video. I just didn't think of it. If it were to pinch the slab in any way, the belt would just slide right off the rapidly slowing blade/pulley.
@@tractorman4461 Thanks for the explanation Wendell, thumbs up my friend
Just found your channel thank for the content sir you are very well spoken and a great teacher. Im young and it's great to have wise experienced men like yourself sharing knoweldge. Your property looks beautiful too! Much respect to you. Fortunately not all us young folks are weak and woke, i look forward to living a life of honest work, respect and dignity. I wish you luck and prosperity
Now that's a powerful lot of kind words to be spoken by just one young man....thank you very much for visiting and leaving such a candid comment. I think with your positive outlook, Lady Luck will be on your side and properity will be right there with her !!
@@tractorman4461 thanks very much. I've subscribed and look forward to watching more videos!
It's amazing what you do and you still have all your fingers
Well, I DO try to keep them away from sharp items...LOL Thanks Mark for the visit. (-;
I'm back lol. I can't wait till my wood yard looks like yours and this is my full time job everyday! Out my back door, cross my driveway with coffee in my hand to start cutting or into the truck to take a load or pickup wood. I'm sure it won't be without head aches or the just don't feel like'its sometimes but It will be on my time!
Hang in there Eric....all good things in time. The key is to not make the process a burden. I too do it at my own pace on my own time but I welcome the help from the son or son in law too. I just to prefer doing it without extreme cold or snow. Good luck my friend.
Love this old belt driven gear 😎👍
Well we had a ton of it back on the home place. Buzz saw, hammer mill, 36'' planer, circle mill, silage blower to name a few. Thanks Greg for the visit today.
Wow, I will have to share to you my old trailer saw I’ve been restoring, thanks for responding 🙂
@@gregbrock6494 heck yeah. Let me know how to find it and I’ll take a looksee. I need ideas on what to do to build a cart for it and the saw. I’ve got wheels, a rotted frame and rusty bolster from my the 15 hp Fairbanks my dad and uncles contributed to the scrap iron drive during WW2. My brother has the flywheels in his yard.
Great job doing the cutting Wendell 🙂👍 I enjoyed the video my friend
Thanks Zane...btw this tractor is one of several back here in the woods that have the 162 Flathead Continental in it. Thanks for stopping in, I appreciate your taking the time.
Man yeah Mr Wendell!! I absolutely love the different camera angles!! You sir are a scholar my friend, boy you sure have been around to do alot of things!!! I learn something here every time!! I love the commentary down in the shots explaining things!! You are the man!! True grit my friend!!! I love it, thank you so much for sharing all the great things you are into all the time!! 😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hot doggies Nelson, I am glad you enjoy the efforts. I've said before I sure ain't no Steven Spielberg or Martin Scorsese as far as directors go, but I don't do bad portraying Festus from Gunsmoke if he was to be living this day and time anyway. Well, he didn't wear glasses....but we look a lot alike. Sorry, got carried away, my head must be getting big or something. LOL I DO appreciate the time you take from your busy schedule to watch my silliness though for sure !! Have a great evening my friend.
@@tractorman4461 You are too funny my friend, old Festus 🤦🤦🤣🤣🤣 Yes sir, love every min of them!! 😁😁😁🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I think the advent of small, light wieght compact chain saws is what made the buzz saw somewhat obsolete. I'd still like the find the buzz saw attatchement for the fifties Simplicity walking tractor I recovered from my inlaw's shed, sat since the early 80's. I un stuck an exhaust valve on the old cast iron Briggs (model 19D) and filed the points, it popped right off! I recall the wood for the home I grew up in being milled on a mill powered by a '37 John Deere A.
I actually have a front mounted buzz saw that came off of a '39 John Deere A as well. It's not a tilt top but a roller top. Good and bad, because the rollers get bound up by sawdust or small chips pretty easily. That's cool that you got the Simplicity up and running. I have a late 50's Simplicity rider.
hi there fun watching what you have going on there . john
It was a good day, but it always is with the buzz saw ringing in my ears John.
Hey there Tman ! I must admit that it made me cringe when you fired up that belt without figure 8ing the belt. I was taught and shown early in life, a figure 8 keeps the belt on the pulleys and gives you better grip. Good to see a swing table working. They are much easier to use than a sliding table ! you don't have to stop and clean sawdust out of the guide rails ! Another gem of a vid Wendell. Keep up the good work ! Alex
Sliding tables are a bit of a problem. I have an old one off a John Deere A. They get jammed too easily like you said. We use the twist to reverse the rotation and usually on a much longer belt than this little short guy here. As long as both pulleys have a crown, and you have fair alignment, the belts pretty much hold their own and stay on. The big problem with this is its so old and dry hardened. It will settle down a bit better with another few hours of warming and stretching. Thanks Alex for stopping in for a visit and reminding me of the aggravation of the sliding tables. On another note though, they were still better than using a chain saw for the slabs and pole wood.... I'm sure you agree with that too.
Using a figure of 8 is to cause even wear to both sides of the belt. Unless your gonna use it for hours it’s completely unnecessary.
Loved the video. A real man doing real work. I appreciate your videos.
Thanks for the kind comment, it IS appreciated. I am glad you found some entertainment on this one.
I know what you're doing. But you have way different ground then we do here! You be lucky to drive that rod a foot in the ground here. Makes everything more interesting. Rocks can be good thing sometimes though. Carry on.
Yeah buddy !! Rock is a game changer, that's for sure. LOL
The main thing is to not place anything that carries blood through your body in contact with the sharp things going around in a circle LOL LOL and I the rest that you have written Sir, I click on the link and it has some nice looking lady ( rachel !!! ) LOL Very nice buzz saw video Sir and it is bringing me good memory : ) Cheers
I see you done went and read the description Dave !! I just can't help myself sometimes...LOL But you gotta admit, its IS sound advice isn't it. LOL That and count your fingers before AND after using the saw rig. If the numbers matche, it was a good day !!
@@tractorman4461 You are so funny Sir !!! ( counting finger before and after !!! ) LOL
Nice work love the video just got one is set up with a gas motor
I have never used one before so you’re video is giving me more confidence
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Awesome !! I hope it works out well for you. I have a lot of these buzz saw videos in playlists. Some detail some safety thoughts to consider, some are just sawing and some are servicing the blades and shaping the teeth. Here's a LONG one that covers about half the safety points to consider: th-cam.com/video/2J0trs7CF_Y/w-d-xo.html Hopefully you will find it interesting. Let me know in the comments if you watch a few and thank you for watching this one today.
You have a good process there. Even though I heat with wood and cut all my wood with a crosscut saw (just for the exercise) I have been thinking of picking up a buzz saw to use on my Johnpopper, just for the fun of it.
Even though the sapwood will have much more moisture in it when cut I'd say that the heat content and weight will be the same when dried to the same moisture content. After all, sap wood does turn into heartwood in the tree.
We try to use all the branches down to 3 or 4 inches. I just hate to see so much go to waste. Sometimes though we just have to go off and leave it. There is a lot of heat in it and its actually pretty easy to process with a buzz saw too. Sure beats using a chain saw because no matter how careful you are, the tip is just going to hit the dirt a time or two cutting a load. I have a couple of dad's old crosscut saws...5', 6' and the big one at 7'. I have the big one over my fireplace. I haven't been on the business end of a cross cut for probably 50 years....my hats off to ya Jim!!
When we had the belt flapping it wasn't long before it came off. Thanks Wendell.
Reminded me of Dad's Pullmore belt dressing.
Well, that's not good Bryce...LOL But that happens to the best of us. LOL This old belt hadn't been unrolled in at least a year. It's needing a good hard 4 or 5 hours of use to get the kinks worked out of it. It'll stretch out and settle down before too long. I try to keep it dry but invariably some rain gets under the tarp which in turn is not good for the belt at all. Sad thing is just about the time it gets itself in good flexible working order, it's time to park it again for another year !!
@@brycewiborg8095 I still have a couple old worn sticks of tube dressing. I don't use it much though.
Thank you for the video I want to that again one day.
I've been doing it for many many years. There's a certain music out of them that kinda grows on a fella Timothy.
That brings back some good old memories buddy thanks for sharing take care have a great day
Thanks Tom for chiming in with a comment. I hope all is well up north !! Have a relaxing evening my friend.
It’s an art to sharpen and put set in the blades. Dont know if you have ever showed that before. I always went around 4 times and a different angle each time acceding to the tooth. Some9ne might be interestedd in that. No asking you to reinvent the wheel but it is a process. Live the video!
Oh heck yeah Bruce. One of my first ever vids was (poorly done) showing how my dad taught me to reshape the teeth then grind the gullets and sharpen the teeth on a lathe. I've since done several more videos on sharpening them them too. Here's one of the later ones using a Belsaw sharpening machine: th-cam.com/video/ezvZ7u8jUwE/w-d-xo.html There are several more too. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed todays video !!
I’ve never seen them sharpened with a machine before. I was used in milling file to sharpen the teeth and then to hammers to put a set in the teeth. That’s pretty neat!
@@tinkerinbruce6560 I too filed by hand for many many years then set 'em with two hammers. Actually I still do touch them up like that on occasion. Sometimes they just need a stroke or two to bring them back to life.
@@tractorman4461 I need to study that machine of yours just a little closer. That is really interesting. I started the channel myself. If you get a chance take a look at it and I have an old Farmall M that I hook the Dyno up to it and try to give an explanation on how it works.
I grew up with a 3 point hitch and an idler wheel for the tension, my father gave it when we built a hydraulic wood splitter, but it's nice to old machinery still working, and no I don't mean the man
That's cool. There's many different ways to use these things for sure. But I figure what ever works for you is the best way to do it. Like anything there's not just one way that's 'right' !! Well, old machinery is just about ALL I have to work with. I couldn't imagine using something new. But....I DID buy the little B7100 Kubota new in '82. That's the last new thing I've bought. Thanks for the added input Ben, I appreciate you guys kicking in with your experiences.
My granddaddy would sometimes put Sogrum molasses on those belts helped them from slipping around.
I use this one so infrequently that it hardens under the tarp. Usually by the time I get done with the pole wood pile, its stretched out and a bit more pliable and it settles into a good smooth rhythm. But yes, we used the belt dressing sticks as well as a liquid dressing in a long neck container. It resembled a liquid tar. But I can see how just about anything sticky like sorghum would work just fine!! Thanks Mark, for stopping in today with a comment.
Dad and I have buzzed wood with his 101jr and Farmall H. First season we used a woodstove I hauled hardwood 2×3 banding boards from work. Ran em through the buzzsaw and made quick work of it. AL B.
Remember how the ringing of the blade would hurt your ears on occasion...?? I've gotten to where I stick ear plugs in all the time. That's good to have gotten the scrap wood from work Al. I'm sure your dad appreciated it. Free heat !!
Wendell, I know you are way to young to remember our Grandfather. I see that is snowed last night. You can be sure if it snowed he WANTED the slab pile sawed up he needed some slab wood. No matter how much it snowed we sawed slabs. It was not fun at all. We always got wet from our belt down to our shoes. Our slabs were 16 to 18 feet long a lot of times. Green Tractor 37
Well, I never was around the saw rig with him, but dad had some of the same tendencies because invariably a snowy day is when we'd work on the slab pile. I always hated getting cold and wet and the ground would get so darn slick. I was always stuck on the tail end of the slabs with dad griping at me for pinching the blade !! Always my fault. LOL
I have some of that belt conditioner that will make the belt stick better. Years ago I put some on the on the belt on my car to stop it from squealing. I'll never do that again.
I agree, the old belt dressing is made for the old belting like these used on the buzz saw and not for the petroleum based rubberish serpentine belts of today. I've used it on slipping 'V' belts on occasion with adequate success though. Was your bad experience on the older V's or the newer styled old serpentine ?
Well I’ll be Ole Buddy, I was doing the same thing today, cutting firewood but with me Sthil! So I’m doing my evening tippin and sippin your way as I watch you slabbin away! I see quite a few homes with a pile of slab wood they get from the saw mills in the area. In fact there are 3-4 saw mills within 2-6 miles of here. But I have lots of oak to saw, split and stack. Have a nice dry pile too. So have a Lovely Saturday eve and I’ll be toasting you in the morning, Squeezez too! DaveyJO
Good deal DaveyJO....in the wood pile makin' a little wood for the winter. Awesome...we are in tune ain't we...just a gettin' it before the snow flies !! But you want to know something crazy...?? I got up at 430 this morning to 5'' of fluffy white all over the place. Now just TWO days ago mind you, I was sweating in a tee shirt cutting wood at 83* !! I'll be have a little JO in the morning with the Missus talking about good ol' DaveyJO and Alice half world away !!
@@tractorman4461 it’s 5am and time for drippin and tippin and sippin to my Friends in the western winter wonderland? Indeed odd weather we’re having! It was in the 70 s here and suppose to freeze today or tonight I believe Alice said. But we ain’t livin in Florida hurricane alley. It’s a nice state to visit if you enjoy bumper car highways or gators I recon. Alice’s son Cris and his wife Tori live just outside of Savanna and when I ask how’s the weather, he says in the 70s and it’s 20s here? Well shiver me timbers! But like they say, wherever you are that’s where you’re at,,,,,,,or whatever. Anyway, I’m gettin hup so I can tip and sip and send Super Sunday Squeezez youzez way! I need some vitamin J fer ser! Snow man at 44? Tu tu inna drawer! Hello woolzeez! Happy Day Lovlies! DaveyJO
@@daveyjoweaver6282 The weather is almost as crazy as our politics....but THAT topic ol' buddy, is one that will never be a topic here. LOL Pendulum swings as a pendulum do.... and that's all I gotta say about that and the weather too !! LOL Enjoy the coffee of the day.....I am and so far a lot of it. I've been typing like crazy to answer all the comments on this video...I'm thinkin' guys kinka are liking the buzz saw. Either that or they wanna see blood n guts fly !! LOL
@@tractorman4461 I’m downing the Vit.J myself aimed your way! I do like your political policy but I don’t want to see blood and guts, especially yours. I mean we have future JO to toast and stories to tell face to face in the future. And I want to before they kick us out of the pearly gates for hangin around the coffee bar all the time, eh? Plus I’m sure those gates need maintained each and every so often and who better than the JO Brothers? I hope they let me in with my Squeezen record! Plus we’d more than likely have a little bit of control over those gates. Could even fake people out,,,,,You, You want in here? Hahahahahahahahahahaahha! Just kidding! Anyway, I’m sure we’d have some fun. Having a wing and halo repair shop, the possibilities are infinite,fer ser! Best go out and bring in some stove wood. I should probably stop by there and get some of that slab wood you were hackin away at. I do think it’s amusing how some folks worry about safety on that good ole buzz saw. I see people all the time driving as they are foolin with their cell phones and they worry about the buzzsaw? Respect is key with everything I life, which brings out that old saying, mess around, lay around! I’ve got all my fingers fro being respectful. A guy said to me once, you ain’t much of a woodworker if you got all your fingers. I said no, I ain’t a stupid woodworker. I know a guy who lost all four fingers down to the hand because he was in a hurry at the last minuet and didn’t use a push block on a12” jointer. Happened in a split second. He even said, I knew better than that! It was his good hand so he had to relearn everything and writing was one of the toughest he said. I don’t think it’s that we’ve been lucky but respectful. Stuff can still happen of course but it ain’t about luck! P,us, drinkingJO creates wisdom not to do dumb caca! Okay, bettergit me sum woot inna house. A FINE Day to you Good Folks of The 44 Kind with Squeezinz! DaveyJO
@@daveyjoweaver6282 Yes, very true word about knowing and respecting the equipment. My dad lost a finger, half a thumb and one eye at the age of 7 due to a dynamite cap....but that was 1916 or so. My Much Older Brother pared down his index finger on an old Delta lathe when a short board kicked out on him. Yep, sharpened one side like a pencil...just that quick !! Our Uncle Chippo lost the end of one finger on the sawmill, and that's a funny story too. Can't start that one here though. Another time he caught his old bibs in the flat belt powering the 36'' planer and took one leg down to the underwear !! He sure looked funny running down across the cow lot with his pearly while leg sticking out and the other one still with the top of the bibs holding on the one remaining pants leg !! But that too is another story....for the time sittin' under the tree and the bottomless pottaJO !! On the other hand, I ain't so sure I'll be in the lineup for the pearly gates....jus' sayin'..LOL
Got to work a buzz saw this year .It took some time to get comfortable but they can sure cut a lot of wood quickly
That's awesome Mark !! I'm glad to hear that. Is it a rig that may come to live with you or was it a friend or family member.... Hopefully it was good and sharp for you !!
@@tractorman4461 I would like to own it for sure, but it lives at the agricultural museum. We set it up this year for the fall harvest festival.
@@markjoudrey7036 well now, that is soooo cool !! Good for you and the other volunteers !!
i like the buzz saw. We happen to own one also.
I get a kick out of how many warn me of the horrible danger of using one...like running a chainsaw is safe...??!! LOL
If you get some castor oil it will soften that belt up, only run a small stream at a time and you will have to apply it a few times, it will grab ahold when the rubber coating gets pliable again
That's good information Chris, I'll have to try that. I do have some spray dressing as well as a couple old worn down stick dressing tubes. Most of the time I don't have trouble past the first use of the season. It usually settles down, stretches as it warms and does pretty well.
You should see me setting up my silage blower same way flat belts take a littel time to run true.
Yes, they do. Our silo was on an incline, and we had a sawmill timber to back the right rear wheel onto to level out the tractor. And on windy days, we'd even drive a 6' pry bar in the ground near the front end of the row crop Massey to help keep the 8'' belt with a twist running where it needed to. Of course I'm just remembering the old days, and you are living them now !! Its all good though. Thanks Donald for the visit today.
I didn’t get my Ford 9N running this fall. I retired a week ago and hopefully I will find the time for these neglected projects.
It was heart warming to see the old Dearborn back in action. Mine is patiently waiting for me to get the old Ford back up to speed and then she’s ready to chew into some firewood for me.
I am thinking of doing something different with the Fords exhaust. It of course is a grass burner. After a day of sawing, it is common to have a headache. I am blaming that on the exhaust blowing right at my feet all day
Your exhaust pipe is cut too short?
Yes Gary, that exhaust is not good for you blowing out the back like that. We rerouted a couple of them to turn out then up to blow the exhaust away from our ankles. That ruins your day in a hurry doesn't it.
@@johndowe7003 I never did like those horizontal pipes under the floor board of the tractor. Especially bad raking straw, because of the heat. You don't want to stop and take a break with the tractor straddling a windrow !!
@@tractorman4461 , it runs all the way to the back of the tractor, underneath. Besides all the exhaust fumes, it is constantly blowing the saw dust up in the air and in my face.
@@tractortalkwithgary1271 Yes, they sure do and it ain't one bit of fun either is it. LOL
I'm only 15 years younger than you. But you do same stuff my dad did. He died at 92 4 years ago.
My dad died at 92, 5 years ago.
He and I probably came up about the same Smity...country, no running water or indoor plumbing or central heat. Just a cook stove and a King heater in another room.
@@HomerKM1914 My dad died at 91 twenty one years ago. All of them had long hard lives from that era.
I am interested in why that belt doesn't just fly off. I don't see any ridges on the tractor side or the saw side of the belt pulleys. Thanks for making the video. Cheers!
Most, but not all flat belt pulleys have a slight 'crown' in them. That crown actually bows the width of the belt over slightly with rotation and that's what keeps them on track. As soon as it comes off the bottom of the crowned pulley they go flat once again to head to the other pulley. Now mind you, the two pulleys have to be pretty darn close to running parallel with each other too. So you don't need 'sideboards' on the edges of the pulleys. But this little Dearborn saw DOES have that little square opening made of 3/8 rod that's in line with its pulley for the belt to pass through...but I've never seen them rub the edge of the belt.
Thanks Wendell, you are a trove of information!
@@peacefieldfarm_mn Thanks for the compliment...but like I tell everyone, I just make it up as I go along. LOL Thanks again, I DO appreciate you guys and the comments. I learn a lot from viewers as well. THAT, my friend, is what this medium is all about as far as I'm concerned....sharing information freely. Hope to see you around for a while !!
Where do you get your belts? I have Fordson Major w/ a power belt pulley Id like to put to work. Great video, thanks for sharing. Love to watch
Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate that for sure. Usually I pick them up at farm auctions. I bought a monstrous pile of them all different lengths and widths for a couple bucks a while back. Plus I did a job at a belting facility and got a lot of new off cuts...from 2 1/2'' up to 8'' wide. Lots of partial rolls. Then I've got my own lacing tools too. The local farm store sells the standard size lacing material that's typical for old low speed farm equipment.
I’ve always wondered if a round baler belt would work, they are pretty long and tough, might be worth a try
@@isaiahshaffer I'm sure it would. I have an old Landis leather cutting tool that I use to trim wide material down for smaller machines. But a good razor knife and a good grip, you should be able to do the same thing. It might not be too bad though, because they aren't that thick are they? Of course you'll need a lacing tool to make the joint. Good luck Isaiah...
@@tractorman4461 the ones for our new holland are 7”, I think John Deere uses a 4” and an 8” and 12”. And they come pre-laced so you definitely have lots of options! For right now the old belt is holding up but I’m sure curiosity will have my trying one soon haha
Thanks Wendell for another great video. I never was around flat belts so I was wondering why they put twist on the belts. Is it to reverse direction? And I swear I saw the put a twist on a belt where direction doesn't matter, even a full twist. I don't know, all that was before my time.
I too am interested in why some guys put a twist in the belt.
Not all tractors have the belt pulley on the same side and not all equipment is powered from the same side. So the twist is entirely for changing the direction of the pull of the belt on the equipment. I've never seen a double twist, but hundreds of single twists and many more straight on. If you have a straight belt like this one here, sometimes there will be a spring loaded idler pulley on the return side of the belt, opposite of the power side. The power side will always be taught under load, unlike the more slack return side. Make sense Rick...?? A lot of times on a hammer mill or a silage blower or even a saw mill, you will see exceptionally long flat belts. That's so all you need is good alignment and minimal tension on the belt. It can sag big time out in the middle but the sheer weight of the long belt provides the friction to turn the machine...what ever it is.
@@peacefieldfarm_mn I'm too lazy to copy and paste....can I get you to look at Rick's comment for my reply. LOL I'm getting lazy in my old age.....
@@tractorman4461 thanks Wendell, that answered my question.
Yes it does. Thanks
Cool...and I might have added an addendum to that reply...
How often do you have to sharpen that blade ! Stay safe always , working hard always ! Great video !!
Depending on the grit in the bark, not more than twice a season. Sometimes only once. I literally just uploaded the video of converting this saw for temporary use as a stationary unit. Virtually minutes ago. Thanks Robert for stopping in for a visit.
All I got to say about that is, man what a great video Wendell. I remember seeing that piece of equipment on my tour. You all have a great weekend. How close are you to having the wood shed filled?
Just think, if I'd have had the old tractor in place we could've sawed a couple right then and there !! That section is pretty darn close to full now, but I still have the rest of the center section of the shed to fill. But we are still loading out of that section what's left over from last year. Right now there is just at 26 cord (3,328 cu ft ) split and stacked not counting the big piles outside the shed and under tin for the shops. That at the very minimum is another 5 cord (640 cu ft). Some stacked, some just piled.
The guard for the belt was evident but what it is like if and when the belt should become disengaged with the pulley? How messy is the situation?
I haven't thrown a belt in many moons, but with the weight of them and the slow speed in feet per minute, they just flop to the ground. Usually you throw the belt on start up while aligning the pulleys. They just flop to the ground with a plop....usually. Once aligned and up to speed we'd very seldom sling one off. Occasionally when filling silo though, we'd drive a spud bar in the ground about even with the front of the tractor because with a 100' long 8'' wide belt if the wind is blowing pretty stiff, it can blow them enough to cause 'em to drive off the drive pulley. Especially if you're running a twist. More of the flat surface is exposed to the wind with a twist. No twist and the wind blows mostly blows through, not against. Make sense...??
I forgot to add one thing....it happens so infrequently to me. If you pinch the blade by shifting the slab halfway through the cut, it will pinch and slow the blade so quickly that the belt will just slip off and flop to the ground. In case of a severe pinch it will literally stop the blade as the belt is thrown.
Learned lots from this video there eh! I'm from Southeast Canada, thanks for sharing... have u ever used molasses on the belt to make it sticky... thanks for sharing
We used a pine tar stiff liquid back in the day on the flat belts for the silage blower, hammer mill, sawmill and 35'' planer. Also we'd use a belt dressing stick that I still have remnants of. I can see where molasses would serve the purpose pretty well though.
@tractorman4461 been working on my buss-saw hopefully get it going soon did a video the other day powered by my OC4 Oliver Crawler but the bearing shot on the saw lol check it out and give any advice would be appreciated there eh!
Still easier, less tiring and therefore less dangerous using a buzz saw on smaller wood than it is to try and use a chainsaw on a pile of it. It ALL has it's danger- buzz saws, chainsaws, axes, hand saws, all of it. Use the best tool you have for the job as safely as you can. Semper Fi.
No words more true have ever been spoken Bret. The key to safety is common sense along with knowing the tool or machine. Heck, for me using this buzz saw isn't anywhere near as dangerous as riding a crotch rocket 100 mph on a busy freeway. LOL And for what its worth my dad always said its safer around a guy taking a dump than a guy swinging an axe.... Good point, but I always replied I didn't want to be near either of those guys !! Semper Fi. Have a wonderful day and happy sawing.
Don't they make Belt dressing for them Type of belts ? Thank you for your videos.
Yes Tony they sure do. And yes I have some old worn down sticks of it. We also have a thick black liquid dressing we use. But I don't really use it that often. The flopping wasn't caused by loss of friction though, its just such and old and worn belt that stays rolled up 90% of the time. It always settles down by the time I'm done sawing for the season.
Well there is one job that you don't want to do a lot of talking with your hands. My neighbors growing up had one mounted on a John Deere A. I wanted to get it at his estate sale but someone I knew In the family was bidding on it so I didn't bid. Would like to find one for my John Deere B. It's easy to get the B into the woods
I actually have a slide-top saw rig off a John Deere A back in the woods. Its all there except the blade. We had ours mounted on the front of a little Massey Harris 101 Junior...about the same size as the JD B. It was nice and easy to slip into the woods too. Good luck on finding one close.
So if it stays on, it's good right? With enough tension I guess...
The old ones like this take a good several hours to warm up from friction to stretch out all the kinks. I had to stop and tighten the belt a couple times on this video. You can tell because the blade slows in the cut. Now you can also put a weighted or spring loaded idler pully on the return side of the belt to keep tension on it too. I just have never taken the time to set one up. But you'll see a lot of old timers with their buzz saws set up like that.
As long as you have your pulleys close to perfect in alignment, the belts will stay on due to the 'crown' that's in most all the pulleys. The ones that are fully flat are a bit more tricky. The flopping is aggravating but they will settle in eventually. My problem is it sits for about a year between uses and sometimes the tarp lets in a little moisture. Bad for the belt.
Wider and longer belts don't have to have a ton of tension on them because the weight of the long belt provides it itself.
All right! Yes I watched this video and tried to pick up how you dealt with them, TY. We have two nice looking old belts, a pulley on the tractor, various old pto-to-pulley attachments and a heavy old grain grinder with perfect hardware on it. I'm really thinking of making something useful out of it, maybe a backup generator or cutoff saw.. This has me thinking ... I could try it and maybe live to tell the tale! But just because @Tractorman44 can do it, doesn't mean I can neccessarily lol.
@@___PK__ Hahahahahaha....fun comment P K.. I like it a lot. The grain grinder you are referring to may be a hammer mill. If it has a blower and a vertical discharge chute it is. But I'd have to see a picture to tell for sure. And heck yeah, you can do it !! If I can do it....it's gotta be easy !! LOL Hang in there the right idea will come along. But in preparation, make sure the belts stay dry and out of the weather to keep them in nice condition. Good Luck !!
So where do you get your belts at?
Usually at farm auctions. I bought a monstrous pile of them all different lengths and widths for a couple bucks a while back. Plus I did a job at a belting facility and got a lot of new off cuts...from 2 1/2'' up to 8'' wide. Lots of partial rolls. Then I've got my own lacing tools too.
@@tractorman4461 wow that's cool. It reminds me of a couple of different places the closest one to you would be down there and silver Dollar City. At one time they had a whole shop running off of steam engines if I remember right. Lots of belts driving a lot to things and I think it branched out to a couple of other shops as well. Maybe OSHA maybe insurance considerations maybe it was time just to step it up. But I understand from friends of mine that there really is only remnants of that left for show not so much for go. I only ask cuz I've got a John Deere industrial B Johnny popper at fordson tractor and a Ford commercial 9N I think it is. It's yellow. I thought this would be a good little piece of equipment to invest in to increase my self-reliance. I'm looking at my next generation more than for myself. Darn if it don't sound like my dad and his dad before him now. What does the future hold? That's a whole another channel haha
@@CAROLDDISCOVER-2025 Oh yeah, my friend...THAT topic would require a lotta conversation...LOL The old shop you are talking about was powered by a steam engine through a line shaft. They typically run the full length of a shop and powered virtually every machine in the shop off that one shaft. Each machine had a step pulley with usually a 1 1/2 or 2'' flat belt coming down from the line shaft. They'd engage and disengage each machine by a hand lever hanging from up above. I have a milling machine from around 1909 that I rigged a motor to drive a jackshaft that drives a wooden sheave that drives the 4'' flat belt to drive the machine !! It's really cool too. Line shafts phased out by the l940's for new machinery.
@@tractorman4461 I'd like to have some thing that would bore and remove dirt from a crawl space. Have a project we bought. Approximately 120 year old house. Want to remove dirt for a storm cellar. Run off a tractor or similar power plant. Hand dig just slow. But have a 5ft cubic area already dug out. Any ideas 💡? Old tool or otherwise?
@@CAROLDDISCOVER-2025 I got nothing for ya on that one. If its coming out dry as its dug, maybe an old tubular grain elevator would work....stick the end through a hole in a wood box and shovel dirt into the box. But dirt is much heavier than grain and it probably wouldn't move it too good. Maybe a trough style old hay elevator...slide it down the steps and set bucket fulls of dirt one at a time like a bale of hay....LOL That's the best I got. Take a look at some old sawmill videos and the way they move the sawdust out to the pile. A gear reduction, chain, paddles and some 2x6's would be a good start. Still a long shot. Good luck, I'm at a loss...
buena sierra ?pero no funcionaria con la toma defuerza trasera
Tengo un adaptador que le permite trabajar en un tractor de tres puntos de categoría 1.
it looks like you need to get out your stick of belt dressing,,, my dad had a saw mounted to the front of our old Graham Bradly tractor.
I've seen those too. Really a cool setup. We had the old one mounted on the front of a Massey Harris 101 Junior. Then I adapted it later for my dad's 101 Super. The other ones I have are for three point.
I f you moved the end of saw table an inch or so back on the saw end the belt would center on the pully better .
Yes you're right, I aligned the tractor slightly off this time. The old belt is so dry and hard it takes a while to run itself in too. Then by that time I'm done with the pile and it gets rolled back up again for months at a time.