Wall of text below because Im not gonna respond to every individual comment related to this Editing my previous comment bc of the compensation five star thing. First of all: good on Kuro for doing that, it will make the new player experience better, and that does help balance out many of the issues people have had in the game. It also gives less reason to spend money right now, since that is more characters to have fun with during the game's start. Theyve also committed to fixing some things in the game. I hope they remain open to tweaking the game to make the player experience better (though I don't want them to be too aggressive with changes; they need to properly test whether or not some ideas make sense and not blindly follow a vocal minority). So yeah, that IS more generous compared to Hoyo with Genshin and how they compensate for issues. But again, as with the actual gacha systems in the game, that is only if you compare on a superficial level. In the specific context of compensation 'generosity', Genshin has never had the scale of issues compared to the issues WuWa has had at launch, and WuWa has really hurt their first impressions to a lot of players launching in the state they have. (Genshin also released at a time that benefited it heavily, WuWa has to fight an uphill battle in the open-world RPG gacha space) Hence necessitating Kuro giving out a free five star to earn some good-will. It IS good they did that, but calling it generous is still a bit silly by nature of this is a gacha game dev company doing damage control. They are not being your "bro." They are a company, their goal is to make money. This was a smart play on their part to try to keep some of their potential playerbase that they may have turned off due to whatever issues. I'm sure they have plenty of individuals at the company passionate about the gameplay experience (which is evident by the fantastic combat experience, imo), but the entire organization has a goal to make money. That's why this is a gacha game--they want to make money, and a lot of it. Generousity is not a factor for Kuro games as to whether or not they decided to give the players a free five star, and if you think them doing so has invalidated anything I said in the video, you've missed the entire point I have been trying to make. It is genuinely funny seeing people in my comments doing exactly the thing I satirized this video when saying "wow Target is so much more generous because they give 80 targetbucks" Also I know I yapped a lot this video but I had lots of thoughts I'm sorry. I swear I actually cut out 20 mins+ of additional rambles.
Bro let me help you out understand something … They are more generous than the avg gacha company and wuwa atm is definitely more generous than most other gacha games. All gacha companies are shitty marketers that want your money. These 2 statements can coexist, theres no need to be too emotional about it, they are definitely more generous but also fuck them because capitalism, it is not that deep. People are just happy to have more rewards than hoyo games let them be happy about it.
Well yes but actually no, while it's true that they're only doing it to get more players playing and earn good-will, it doesn't actually matter. All that matters is that we get the rewards, not why we get them lol.
I love soluna's pull videos because they're always him going like 'This is a horrible idea, please do not do this' while the game does its very best to throw five 5-stars at him no matter the circumstance
"gacha games are bad and spending on it is bad, let me show you how bad it is by getting over 4x as much as you should" lmao, it really is how it goes every time
@Solunerra it's not a race, just having them to lvl eventually means you have more options to play with over the course of your time with the game. Also the weapon banners can drop 4 star characters, more rarely than the actual Character banners though. I just pulled the weapon banner because I like the Swords asthetic and it is a good weapon.
Bro I made a mistake I used the free five star an calcharo the the 40 beginner I got him again then on the limited I got him again I'm f2p as well bro and the beginner choice just chose him again because I got him 3 Times already he is S5 now and my only 5 star
@@theeffortless5554what does it matter what normal players think he isnt a normal player he isnt telling normal players its a boring banner hes saying that its boring in the sense it doesnt provide content for creators no one even mentioned normal players here but u
That's not generosity. That's scaling the compensation due to the fact that they are trying to do damage control on their launch. The initial launch of a game is super important, and they're clearly in damage control mode and trying to entice players who were just trying it out and werent already committed to playing long term to stick around in spite of the launch issues. The only real positive here is now they've set a precedent for being "more generous", which might make them feel forced to give a similar level of compensation for future issues.
@@Shirospyre i see ur opinion but i want to highlight that they fixed and adressed the issue in less than 24 hours which just implies that they are actively communicating with the community unlike certain games
@@schmooze6360 That's valid but can also be attributed to damage control of a game on launch. It's also somewhat dependent on the issue a game experiences. Sometimes it just can't be fixed that quickly. I still think that attributing that to generosity is a bit too optimistic. Either way, whatever their motives, its a win for players in this case.
@@Shirospyre I havent had a single issue with the game so far, not even once. It's either idiots who tried to unlock 120 fps, even tho THERE IS A REASON THEY LOCKED IT, Win11 retards, and AMD drivers always being dogshit.(Tho it's your fault if you bought an amd gpu since they are actually dogshit) That's it. If people wanna suffer on mobile like idiots, it's none of my concern. I've been having a blast, while also getting a lot of free shit for nothing.
Weapon banner should NOT exist is my general opinion, so yes you are kinda correct, but you also seem to have missed my overall point that one being is pointless to call it more generous because there are many other factors to consider in a comparison between the two gacha systems. The weapon being guaranteed is basically just a marketing gimmick for this game to make people feel like its better, when it reality its either still a void made for people to throw wishes away into (aka total bait because it doesnt make enough difference to justify getting), or it will end up making so much difference that it feels necessary to get a weapon, which just functionally increases the cost to make getting 5 star characters feel good to use. If I were to design a gacha game that _actually_ tried to innovate on that gacha system side of things, and I felt I needed to have a weapon banner, Id make it so there is some system in game that by playing a character for, say, 3 months just gets you their signature weapon. Eg a long term incentivization/reward structure for playing/leveling/investing in a limited 5 star unit. This way you can design every five star weapon knowing players CAN get the weapon. The weapon banner would then exist for one thing only: for impatient people. So anyone who doesnt want to wait three months to earn the weapon can just wish for it instead. Id consider that the ideal win-win where a weapon banner can exist for the gacha dev to make some money, and they can design the weapons to be kinda necessary, but there is still a long mechanism incentivizing long term play allowing any player to get the best weapon for their favorite character
@@SolunerraJust play Reverse 1999 then. No weapon banners at all, only characters. You get weapons from playing the game normally. Honestly, R1999 is easily top tier when it comes to a truely generous gacha system. 70 pity till guranteed 6 star (which is a 5 star for you Genshin/HSR players), over a 1% chance at getting a 6 star, limited characters move to standard pool after 2 patches pass since their release (& standard characters have rotating banners alongside limited banners too). The list goes on. Truely an awesome game.
So I sat through the rants at the end... And I got to say.... Wuthering Waves is indeed more generous than many gacha games. Now, When we say "Generous", it could mean a variety of things. I see it more generous overall, gacha included. The weapon banner being guaranteed that you called "boring" is one aspect of them being generous not to also forget, you can select which weapon you want to pull towards. In many open world and action gacha games that I played, its a 50/50 chance for the rate up, or a chance to get a whole other set of nonsense that just so happens to be in the same bag as the rate up. I don't know how many gacha games you've played and what games they were, but after playing a long slew of gacha games over the last 10-12 years of my life, I can say, this game is fairly generous. Now, im not sure what technical issues you guys are having. In fact, im not seeing the issues we're even getting "compensated" for. and above all, outside of those compensations, theyve been sending thank you gifts which also included a free 5 star selector. Perhaps I havent played enough gacha games in my life time, but I havent seen a game that gives that around its launch not to mention the beginner banners and all the free draws to start you off. Even refilling stamina in this game is cheaper than its many counterparts. Each gacha game has its economy and pricing, you're right. However, the pricing in those games also vary based on what the game has to offer and the quality of its content. The quality of Genshin, Honkai impact, Wuthering waves and many other open worlds out there has a similar pricing model for the quality they give. As such, its fair to compare the game's economy to the others. And given what you've got for 201, i'd say you got your money's worth vs what you would have got in other games, at least in my opinion. Cause if i got all that for 201, id be satisfied given what ive suffered in many other gachas.
1:26 really? So we're gonna ignore the the guaranteed beginner banner. The lower pity and higher rate? As well as the ability to get free 2 copies of every character with pull currencies. And the selectable 100% guaranteed weapon banner? You call that not as generous as say the competition like Genshin? With it's joke of an epitomized path where you need to reach 3 soft)hard pity just for a weapon? That's disingenuous to say.
Yeah I doubt they did its just that I feel the need to question things when something really statistically unlikely (whether it be “good” or “bad” luck perception wise) happens. Its not great to just assume “Yes I conveniently just randomly happened to be in the .01%”
@Solunerra tbh all my friends have gotten early 5* and I'm just the black sheep 😅😅 my luck in pgr is insane so ig you win a kuro game, you lose the other kuro game
i agree with your point about them potentially making weapons necessary for characters to preform well (9:30), but we've seen the same happen in genshin also especially recently - just with constellations instead. for example, wriothesley and hu tao (only ones i remember off the top of my head), their c1's basically complete/fix their kits. they can 100% still do fine without the c1, but it definitely makes them a LOT easier to play. i imagine that's how the weapons in this game will probably work to compare/contrast between them. (sorry if this doesnt make sense, i am very tired rn)
Yeah I know what you mean. In general, my concern is that many limited 5 stars will end up really wanting their signature weapon in WuWa, rather than one off instances of it being important. There are specific cases in Genshin where I can agree with that sentiment, particularly in how they feel to play. But while I think Hoyo has been making early constellations slightly stronger lately (to bait people spending money), how much it actually feels necessary is quite rare. Some people think Neuvi C1 is necessary, but Im of the opinion that his need for a defensive unit giving him interruption resistance is one of the things that balances his strengths, as an example. Hoyo has gotten really good at making people feel like they need C1, but there are enough things in the game that almost always it isnt necessary. Wrio is a weird one where it is kinda odd they made him HP negative at C0, and I dunno what they were thinking there, but even with Hu Tao, who I think shouldve had her C1 in her base kit, has gotten options such as Cloud Retainer that makes C0 plunge Hu Tao stronger than C1 Tao (see Zajef cloud retainer prerelease, iirc he did the number breakdowns showing that). Its these layers of interaction between different characters that make it so weapons/constellations are not necessary in Genshin, even when some constellations do feel really really pushed. When it comes to WuWa, there is little character interactivity in kits. Only very minor stuff like "this character gives 10% glacio dmg to teammates." The game just isnt made to be that way, mechanically. Which is fine at a baseline, I am enjoying WuWas combat a lot for how nice it feels in general, and it is quite distinct from Genshin to me. So this ultimately means that a characters damage performance seems to be more reliant on their base scalings and things in WuWa, rather than having the ability to deal dmg through nuanced interaction between other characters. Each characters kit in WuWa is much more its own distinct thing unreliant on anything else. Hence my worry about signature weapons in the future ending up being what some characters become reliant on. But I hope Im wrong of course. Only time will tell
@@Solunerra very fair points actually, completely forgot that plunge hu tao with cloud retainer is good, my bad. kuro typically (from what i’ve heard) are pretty good developers and tend to listen to their players, so i’m hoping they’ll hear the concerns of weapons being a need rather than a want and find a way to resolve that before it does become a problem. though considering it’s a single player game (for the most part), signature weapons probably won’t be too necessary, it’ll just come down to whether you can clear stuff quick enough. either way, i’m very excited to see how this game turns out even if i don’t agree with some choices they make in the future regarding characters and their weapons
Lol ty, I was having fun this video (and am having fun in the game). Lots of the current comments have been a bit unfun to read seeing people think Im just being "bitter" and hating on the game when Im just trying to encourage people to think differently about gacha games is all lol.
My rates have been rubbish. I hit pity on the 50 banner and thats the only 5* ive gotten so far. Ive only received 1x new 4* character, everything else has been dupes of starters or 4* weapons (yet no 4* weapon for my Sephiroth)
Wuthering waves did improve on the bp. Remember having to do 100 local specialties for the weekly even they realized how awful that was. Wuwa also only asks for 5 tacit fields (artifact domains) instead of 20 lay lines which almost nobody does
I've gone to hard pity on every banner I've pulled so far so watching someone get so lucky while complaining the whole time was actually super frustrating.
And super painful ;'( ...like.. am I playing the same game? I've spent so much though hard pity that I don't even have enough for signature weapon... its so depressing...
A guaranteed character and weapon in Wuwa is 240 pulls and in Genshin its 450. Not to mention you get more currency on average with Wuwa giving between 10 and 40 and Genshin giving between 2 and 10 not to mention the devs generosity with a free 5 star at the start aswell as a selector for gameplay issues AND you get to choose a standard weapon to pull for if you dont like the remaining standard characters. As someone who has played genshin every single non busy day since its release, I can honestly say if u dont think its generous then u are bullshitting urself and to top it all off they actually have a game design that actually allows me to use my characters endlessly instead of 20 mins of daily chores that Hoyo gives me (and I willingly suck up like a greedy fuck)
I agree that it seems like this game will encourage you to grab characters signature weapons in addition to them. I don't really mind this, but I do worry that dupes might also be encouraged too. Buying dupes in the shop seems to be a system to make things easier for whales (similar to how Genshin's Epitomized Path is more of a QoL for whales than f2p/low spenders) because you need to do a lot of pulls to get enough currency to afford a dupe let alone 2. I'm happy to save for a character and their weapon but if I also need 2 more dupes for them to function that's gonna feel bad. I'm liking this game a lot but it's fine and good to keep in mind that it is a gacha that's designed to get you spending in the end. We can enjoy the rewards without taking them for granted
i have also gotten verina on 20 pity on the novice banner and jianxin on 30 pity on the beginner select banner. idk lol. the base rate is 0.8% but that shouldn't be so much of a big difference as to give you those absolutely disgusting rolls (i'm happy for you and i shouldn't be complaining because of my own rolls.. but wtf) 18:08 also, yeah, people have discovered that 5 stars actually eat the 4 star pity. it doesn't give you the 4 star immediately after the 5 star like in genshin/star rail if you had gotten a 5 star where the 4 star was supposed to be
There was a glitch on epic games where you could've gotten the 99 usd pack, or any top-up at that matter for 30 rubles, aka ~33 cents. Shit was funny, it got patched though, and those who had abused it are 99.9% getting their accounts reverted. (You could've gotten a C6R5 character for like 4 dollars)
i should’ve listened to your advice, spent some money on wuwa only for it to randomly decide it can’t run on my device anymore. i’m pretty upset as i’ve enjoyed the game and was saving for some other characters, but oh well. mistakes are meant to be made
watching you suffering from your luck in this game hurts when i've been playing from day 1and have to go to pity each time for every 5 star and then losing the 50/50 for jiyan T~T anyway i guess that debunks your theory and this game just loves you XD
Definitely not cranked up rates for me anyways, from beginner banner I got encore in 30, which was lucky but for the selector banner I went all the way to 80 for my Verina
@O-R-I-G-I-N I used abit of asterite on that select banner since I'm uninterested in any of the limmited units coming for now, since I got my verina I'm now settled to save for atleast afew months so I'll get them back as time goes by, tho yea they are pretty generous as there's alot of ways to get the summon currency
I... wasnt comparing to Genshin when I said that? I was commenting on the general problem of resource management related to building characters and how I can _already_ sense its going to be annoying, even early game
????? building in this game is horrendous man. u can litterally focus 1 person. echo building after being able to get legendaries or even around data 10 is aids
My heart goes out to you Sol; you're being very objective and rational with the information you had as well as things going on with the game at the time yet you're faced with nothing but tribalism in this comment section. It's honestly sad to see since I know you've had fun playing the game and just want it to be better. All I can say is I hope the community mellows out overtime because the way they act at the moment won't do anything but drive people like me who want to play the game in the future (waiting for a console release) away from the game in order to avoid it's community.
I don’t think they will make weapons mandatory for characters just because they are easy to get, they manage weapons in their other game (pgr) really well, no weapon is a MUST to make the character work.
Been playing that game since it got released and so far you dont even need to buy lunite or what the heck its called to get 5 stars...you can just explore and do some events, quest and you'll be fine.but still i love your content and i qlso love the fact that your telling us that buying to get what you want is useless.
Could anyone possibly tell me how many wishes the 14.99 pack (AKA Lunite x980) get you? Also if possible could someone tell me how many wishes the $4.99 pack gets you?
On my first day of playing I didn’t immediately wish on the 50 pity starter banner. I spent $45 hoping to get ONE Danjin. Again, $45 later, I got her. But before that, I got 3 Mortefis in 1 10 pull and by the end of DAY 1 of playing I got him to C6 or what ever constellations are called in this game.
I live in turkey, the recommended server for me is europe for both hoyo games and WuWa. I selected american servers for genshin and hsr because most of my friends were on that server. However i selected the european server on WuWa. I have worse ping on WuWa... also my pc is laggy as fuck
I'm gonna do a no pull account just for the hell of it, Kuro Games seems like a good developer to doa gacha challenge like that since they hand out characters like candy... gonna be posting them on my YT too so people can see me suffer
It is better to reroll often and early than swiping , managed to get Jiyan with the free 20 pulls and then i got Verina and Encore with the other free 20 pulls from mail, then i picked up Calcharo and now i got all my bases covered and resources left to guarantee me at least two banner characters in the future by just playing the game. Reroll a few accounts , get the freebies and if all goes to hell in the future at least you have a fallback plan that just need some grinding and light maintenance to keep ready. RNG is RNG but i basicly got 200 $ + for free by just using 25 min of my time to try a reroll and got lucky.
At earliest it starts at 65 pity, my current guess is it starts at 67 and its more likely you will get a 5 star around 70-73. Its definitely not at 50 pity lol
Well think of it this way, profitable games tend to get more support, also they have made a decently generous apology for said technical issues. Getting a unit selector for a 3rd guaranteed 5 Star after the beginner banners is hopefully indicative of their hopes for the game.
I came here to just see the ascetics of this game and I'm not intrigued at all. Genshin got me as it felt nostalgic, like games I'd played and loved as a kid. This one visually is just rubbing me the wrong way and I cannot for the life of me put my finger on what feels "off".
Also 9:36 part right part wrong. Hoyo doesn't design genshin weapons to be nessisairy for a characters kit BUT Hoyo's Honkai Impact 3rd is a whole different ball park. It was a huge sticker shock when I started playing because you NEED the weapons (and Stigmas for pt1 valks) so that game is VERY expensive for anyone wanting to do end game content, which is like 60+% of that game. That said your right, there is a chance that this game could be more like HI3 with weapons than like Genshin.
I know im late but Soluna, you're one of the really few youtubers that can make wishing entartaining. I don't like overreacting or saying things like "its a five start for sure this time!" 10 times in a row, its just bland for me while your yap is so naturally funny. What can i say u deserve your luck brother!
btw. its just your luck day 1 i rerolled for Jiyan whole day and got no 5 star on his banner - 20 accounts with around 13 pulls so its not Kuro games cranking rates its just you cranking your luck!
I think no one thinks that wuwa is more generous with their pity system except weapon banners but if you want to start the game now you get a complete 5 star loadout for free. And the added consistency in the weapon banners (if carried on in the future) is way better. Gacha will always be predatory though. If i misspelled something im not a native speaker
I did 2 pulls on the standard weapon banner. The first time i got the 5 star weapon and a 4 star weapon. The 2nd time i got 4 4 star characters. Don't waste your pulls on the character banners.
that's what im thinking too, they're being so generous right now and in due time something is gonna happen so they can start making profits weather its powercreep or the rates change lmfao everyones luck is pretty good in the patch
Powercreep is more likely if we take for exemple pgr powercreep goes hard not that the initial character are bad but the new ones are insane it’s the same thing for hsr it’s a more f2p game but look at the powercreep we have lol gacha game the more generous they’re there is gonna be more powercreep heavy simply because they need you to pull it’s a game OBVIOUSLY THEY DO THING to gain money 😭 it’s so logical it doesn’t change the fact that they’re generous genshin isn’t generous but there isn’t that much powercreep so it’s not that bad hsr is more generous and we do have more powercreep Wuthering waves probably will be a very generous game but with hard end game content that requires you to have five star weapon etc because well you have it guaranteed there’s no reason to not pull 💀
For 4 stars (in any Gatcha) I feel like they should always be in a shop like the starglitter exchange where for every 90-ish pulls you should have enough currency to buy a copy. No rotations or anything either. Maybe they aren't added until a patch after release but that's it.
I got Encore first ten pull on beginner banner, then lost 50/50 to Yingyang on Jiyan's banner at 30 pity, but managed to snipe him at another 30 pity. And I'm 1 or 2 ten pulls away from getting Verina. And with the selector coming, gonna get Calcharo or h/e you spell his name. :D Great start.
“Game is stingy” at 2:44, talks about mats needed from a replenishing energy source (wave plates, which are not really needed to be paid for)… sir that is really dumb
You think I was referring to paid resources in that comment lol? I _was_ referring to waveplates (the resin equivalent) in regards to what you get when farming bosses in particular. You know the word stingy can be used to refer to resource issues in games outside of the paid currency right? At Union 20 boss drops are still only guaranteed to be 1 drop and you need 3 boss drops to ascend ONE character. With a cost of 60 waveplates per boss and 240 per day, that means it will likely take 3/4 of a days worth of resources for JUST the first (non trivial) ascension of a character, let alone need for using waveplates for character level XP, weapon XP, and echo XP. And this is a gacha game, with lots of characters. THAT is what I was talking about in calling the game stingy, not paid resources. No clue how tf you thought I was referring to paid resources when I literally was talking about boss farming when I said that.
@@Solunerra I did not, in fact, think you were referring to paid items. I was just and still am incredulous that you are referring to a REPLENISHING resource as “rare, infrequent, hard to come by, wuwa only gives too little and they suck” or however you want to define stingy. Maybe they’ll optimise it further and bring down waveplate costs, and players will like that, but it’s some extreme stretch of the imagination to call it stingy. Some people don’t have more than half an hour, or an hour to spend playing daily and all live service games build their daily activities accordingly so that everyone gets enjoyment out of whatever time they have, whether it’s 20 mins to do content that spends waveplates or one hour to do that and explore on top etc. They didn’t arbitrarily say, pick a number, any number, and slap the costs of activities randomly. Stingy would make sense in the context of a necessary resource that’s doled out in very little quantity and that you otherwise have to pay for it. But wuwa has been extremely generous so far with that too. So it just made no sense to me that even with all that you decide to call them stingy and with a non-paid resource at that. I’ve explained my thought process here, because I don’t understand why this was such an issue for you. Perhaps it’s because you’re a content creator? But there are so many other and maybe better things to give WuWa constructive crit on, like the buggy mobile release, camera lock issues, etc.
"the weapon banner is boring because the weapon is guaranteed" combined with "gacha games are predatory" is a hell of a funny combo. Yeah this is for content I know but you really should've qualified that first statement heavily.
I understand where you're coming from, you made some fair points but at the end of the say it's all speculation. I'm not too worried since Kuro is trying to tap into the Genshin Impact market and the reason why Genshin is so popular is a lot of factors, one being powercreep is nonexistent/ being incredibly slow and f2p can clear endgame. Or at least that's what I hope, I already see Kuro walking in Hoyo's footsteps with Verina(Bennett) and you can get her easily since they gave us 2 free five stars of our choice.
Pain. that's what I got after 100€ and got Encored, after reaching pity even. And you know what? I got Encored also in my standard banner. She's the Qiqi of my WuWa.
i literally got jiyan in a few pulls and i got verina early from the beginner banner...how am I so lucky in any game BESIDES genshin, i swear i did not win a single 50/50 in genshin for over a year. jiyan is so good and fun to play he's been shredding through all the enemies. I'm also lucky because i literally have not had any performance issues with this game. i swear this game randomly decides who it wants to work perfectly for and who it will barely run for.
I just used the free pulls and got jiyan, the dancing guy on beginners banner and selected calchario I just use whoever felt the best in whatever team and just enjoy it.
just saying the rates arent buffed, but you sure do drive the case forward. maybe it could be the case that this game doesnt have the genshin curse of a dry area in the middle ammounts of pity where rate is lower than the start and soft pity part. i always hated that system as someone who had to math random number generators a few times.
Wall of text below because Im not gonna respond to every individual comment related to this
Editing my previous comment bc of the compensation five star thing. First of all: good on Kuro for doing that, it will make the new player experience better, and that does help balance out many of the issues people have had in the game.
It also gives less reason to spend money right now, since that is more characters to have fun with during the game's start. Theyve also committed to fixing some things in the game. I hope they remain open to tweaking the game to make the player experience better (though I don't want them to be too aggressive with changes; they need to properly test whether or not some ideas make sense and not blindly follow a vocal minority).
So yeah, that IS more generous compared to Hoyo with Genshin and how they compensate for issues. But again, as with the actual gacha systems in the game, that is only if you compare on a superficial level. In the specific context of compensation 'generosity', Genshin has never had the scale of issues compared to the issues WuWa has had at launch, and WuWa has really hurt their first impressions to a lot of players launching in the state they have. (Genshin also released at a time that benefited it heavily, WuWa has to fight an uphill battle in the open-world RPG gacha space) Hence necessitating Kuro giving out a free five star to earn some good-will.
It IS good they did that, but calling it generous is still a bit silly by nature of this is a gacha game dev company doing damage control. They are not being your "bro."
They are a company, their goal is to make money. This was a smart play on their part to try to keep some of their potential playerbase that they may have turned off due to whatever issues.
I'm sure they have plenty of individuals at the company passionate about the gameplay experience (which is evident by the fantastic combat experience, imo), but the entire organization has a goal to make money.
That's why this is a gacha game--they want to make money, and a lot of it.
Generousity is not a factor for Kuro games as to whether or not they decided to give the players a free five star, and if you think them doing so has invalidated anything I said in the video, you've missed the entire point I have been trying to make.
It is genuinely funny seeing people in my comments doing exactly the thing I satirized this video when saying "wow Target is so much more generous because they give 80 targetbucks"
Also I know I yapped a lot this video but I had lots of thoughts I'm sorry. I swear I actually cut out 20 mins+ of additional rambles.
Hii Soluna, its me, your favorite viewer Istaroth!
just get the battle pass as well lmao
Bro let me help you out understand something … They are more generous than the avg gacha company and wuwa atm is definitely more generous than most other gacha games. All gacha companies are shitty marketers that want your money. These 2 statements can coexist, theres no need to be too emotional about it, they are definitely more generous but also fuck them because capitalism, it is not that deep. People are just happy to have more rewards than hoyo games let them be happy about it.
Hop off the dick of genshin, just accept this game is doing the bare minimum for their player base and to make them stick with your game
Well yes but actually no, while it's true that they're only doing it to get more players playing and earn good-will, it doesn't actually matter. All that matters is that we get the rewards, not why we get them lol.
I love soluna's pull videos because they're always him going like 'This is a horrible idea, please do not do this' while the game does its very best to throw five 5-stars at him no matter the circumstance
"gacha games are bad and spending on it is bad, let me show you how bad it is by getting over 4x as much as you should" lmao, it really is how it goes every time
My guy suffering from success 😂
I literally cant even level these things and Im only able to level things to 40 right now!
@Solunerra it's not a race, just having them to lvl eventually means you have more options to play with over the course of your time with the game.
Also the weapon banners can drop 4 star characters, more rarely than the actual Character banners though. I just pulled the weapon banner because I like the Swords asthetic and it is a good weapon.
The droprates are better than genshin by a few % and it takes 10 less pulls, so you can get more.
Bro I made a mistake
I used the free five star an calcharo the the 40 beginner I got him again then on the limited I got him again I'm f2p as well bro and the beginner choice just chose him again because I got him 3 Times already he is S5 now and my only 5 star
@@erisko2557 thats cool
bro said the weapon banner is boring cus guaranteed
gambling addiction spotted lol
Boring for content, which is why I was making this video...
@@Solunerra so? you think we normal players give a shit about boring for content?
@@theeffortless5554what does it matter what normal players think he isnt a normal player he isnt telling normal players its a boring banner hes saying that its boring in the sense it doesnt provide content for creators no one even mentioned normal players here but u
100% guaranteed no 50/50 = boring
2 chances of losing to 50/50 = peak
@@theeffortless5554fr lmao
“Not as generous” free 10 pull and 5 star selector as compensation
Ww simps are easy to fool😂
That's not generosity. That's scaling the compensation due to the fact that they are trying to do damage control on their launch. The initial launch of a game is super important, and they're clearly in damage control mode and trying to entice players who were just trying it out and werent already committed to playing long term to stick around in spite of the launch issues. The only real positive here is now they've set a precedent for being "more generous", which might make them feel forced to give a similar level of compensation for future issues.
@@Shirospyre i see ur opinion but i want to highlight that they fixed and adressed the issue in less than 24 hours which just implies that they are actively communicating with the community unlike certain games
@@schmooze6360 That's valid but can also be attributed to damage control of a game on launch. It's also somewhat dependent on the issue a game experiences. Sometimes it just can't be fixed that quickly. I still think that attributing that to generosity is a bit too optimistic. Either way, whatever their motives, its a win for players in this case.
@@Shirospyre I havent had a single issue with the game so far, not even once. It's either idiots who tried to unlock 120 fps, even tho THERE IS A REASON THEY LOCKED IT, Win11 retards, and AMD drivers always being dogshit.(Tho it's your fault if you bought an amd gpu since they are actually dogshit)
That's it.
If people wanna suffer on mobile like idiots, it's none of my concern.
I've been having a blast, while also getting a lot of free shit for nothing.
And then there's me, going all the way to 50 on the beginner banner 😂
Me too. And then I got lingyang🥲
@@cedricstink4545 SAMEI WANT JIAXIN
40 pull, i got lion boy. Fck this game
@@harfi212you lucky bastard! I WANT HIM BUT I GOT CALCHARO AFTER 80 PULLS. I’m on my 20th pull for him now, on the choice banner. 😞
yeah i went to 50 to get verina and then got calcharo 1st 10 pull on choice banner.
He can't keep getting away with it!!! /j
I agree!
well now that we're getting a free 5* through mail as performance compensation, you can basically have the whole standard 5* roster week 1 xD
Do we get to choose
@@saifgamerz8104yes you get it in the ingame mail.
Yep@@saifgamerz8104
@@saifgamerz8104 yessir
Lol yeah, not sure if I will choose Encore in Ling though
I hope you went straight to the casino. You were on fire king
Lol nah
1:26 well this aged like milk especially after our 2nd free 5 star selector
theres a first one????? You lying
@@Toruntkfree 5* weapon I assume
Being snarky that the weapon is guarantee while crying at genshin’s weapon banner. There is no pleasing these people smh.
Weapon banner should NOT exist is my general opinion, so yes you are kinda correct, but you also seem to have missed my overall point that one being is pointless to call it more generous because there are many other factors to consider in a comparison between the two gacha systems. The weapon being guaranteed is basically just a marketing gimmick for this game to make people feel like its better, when it reality its either still a void made for people to throw wishes away into (aka total bait because it doesnt make enough difference to justify getting), or it will end up making so much difference that it feels necessary to get a weapon, which just functionally increases the cost to make getting 5 star characters feel good to use.
If I were to design a gacha game that _actually_ tried to innovate on that gacha system side of things, and I felt I needed to have a weapon banner, Id make it so there is some system in game that by playing a character for, say, 3 months just gets you their signature weapon. Eg a long term incentivization/reward structure for playing/leveling/investing in a limited 5 star unit. This way you can design every five star weapon knowing players CAN get the weapon. The weapon banner would then exist for one thing only: for impatient people. So anyone who doesnt want to wait three months to earn the weapon can just wish for it instead. Id consider that the ideal win-win where a weapon banner can exist for the gacha dev to make some money, and they can design the weapons to be kinda necessary, but there is still a long mechanism incentivizing long term play allowing any player to get the best weapon for their favorite character
he want’s everything for free i guess even the 5 star weapon lol
@dontxpect7532 he's not wrong, why r u defending the predatory gacha systems lol
@@dontxpect7532sees a guy spend 200 dollars to get a bunch of stuff he doesn’t want
“He wants everything for free”
@@SolunerraJust play Reverse 1999 then. No weapon banners at all, only characters. You get weapons from playing the game normally. Honestly, R1999 is easily top tier when it comes to a truely generous gacha system. 70 pity till guranteed 6 star (which is a 5 star for you Genshin/HSR players), over a 1% chance at getting a 6 star, limited characters move to standard pool after 2 patches pass since their release (& standard characters have rotating banners alongside limited banners too). The list goes on. Truely an awesome game.
"This game is stingy" didnt end well
So I sat through the rants at the end... And I got to say.... Wuthering Waves is indeed more generous than many gacha games. Now, When we say "Generous", it could mean a variety of things. I see it more generous overall, gacha included. The weapon banner being guaranteed that you called "boring" is one aspect of them being generous not to also forget, you can select which weapon you want to pull towards. In many open world and action gacha games that I played, its a 50/50 chance for the rate up, or a chance to get a whole other set of nonsense that just so happens to be in the same bag as the rate up. I don't know how many gacha games you've played and what games they were, but after playing a long slew of gacha games over the last 10-12 years of my life, I can say, this game is fairly generous. Now, im not sure what technical issues you guys are having. In fact, im not seeing the issues we're even getting "compensated" for. and above all, outside of those compensations, theyve been sending thank you gifts which also included a free 5 star selector. Perhaps I havent played enough gacha games in my life time, but I havent seen a game that gives that around its launch not to mention the beginner banners and all the free draws to start you off. Even refilling stamina in this game is cheaper than its many counterparts. Each gacha game has its economy and pricing, you're right. However, the pricing in those games also vary based on what the game has to offer and the quality of its content. The quality of Genshin, Honkai impact, Wuthering waves and many other open worlds out there has a similar pricing model for the quality they give. As such, its fair to compare the game's economy to the others. And given what you've got for 201, i'd say you got your money's worth vs what you would have got in other games, at least in my opinion. Cause if i got all that for 201, id be satisfied given what ive suffered in many other gachas.
I honestly can't imagine getting THIS lucky, and still complaining about the pulls lol
1:26 really? So we're gonna ignore the the guaranteed beginner banner. The lower pity and higher rate? As well as the ability to get free 2 copies of every character with pull currencies. And the selectable 100% guaranteed weapon banner?
You call that not as generous as say the competition like Genshin? With it's joke of an epitomized path where you need to reach 3 soft)hard pity just for a weapon?
That's disingenuous to say.
Watching this video a couple of times so you get your money back
"Kuro cranked up the rates."
Me who went to pity for beginner banner and got jiyan at 74 pity: "No, you just stole my luck!"
Yeah I doubt they did its just that I feel the need to question things when something really statistically unlikely (whether it be “good” or “bad” luck perception wise) happens. Its not great to just assume “Yes I conveniently just randomly happened to be in the .01%”
@Solunerra tbh all my friends have gotten early 5* and I'm just the black sheep 😅😅 my luck in pgr is insane so ig you win a kuro game, you lose the other kuro game
that was the most insane luck ive ever seen
i agree with your point about them potentially making weapons necessary for characters to preform well (9:30), but we've seen the same happen in genshin also especially recently - just with constellations instead. for example, wriothesley and hu tao (only ones i remember off the top of my head), their c1's basically complete/fix their kits. they can 100% still do fine without the c1, but it definitely makes them a LOT easier to play. i imagine that's how the weapons in this game will probably work to compare/contrast between them. (sorry if this doesnt make sense, i am very tired rn)
Yeah I know what you mean. In general, my concern is that many limited 5 stars will end up really wanting their signature weapon in WuWa, rather than one off instances of it being important. There are specific cases in Genshin where I can agree with that sentiment, particularly in how they feel to play. But while I think Hoyo has been making early constellations slightly stronger lately (to bait people spending money), how much it actually feels necessary is quite rare. Some people think Neuvi C1 is necessary, but Im of the opinion that his need for a defensive unit giving him interruption resistance is one of the things that balances his strengths, as an example. Hoyo has gotten really good at making people feel like they need C1, but there are enough things in the game that almost always it isnt necessary. Wrio is a weird one where it is kinda odd they made him HP negative at C0, and I dunno what they were thinking there, but even with Hu Tao, who I think shouldve had her C1 in her base kit, has gotten options such as Cloud Retainer that makes C0 plunge Hu Tao stronger than C1 Tao (see Zajef cloud retainer prerelease, iirc he did the number breakdowns showing that). Its these layers of interaction between different characters that make it so weapons/constellations are not necessary in Genshin, even when some constellations do feel really really pushed.
When it comes to WuWa, there is little character interactivity in kits. Only very minor stuff like "this character gives 10% glacio dmg to teammates." The game just isnt made to be that way, mechanically. Which is fine at a baseline, I am enjoying WuWas combat a lot for how nice it feels in general, and it is quite distinct from Genshin to me. So this ultimately means that a characters damage performance seems to be more reliant on their base scalings and things in WuWa, rather than having the ability to deal dmg through nuanced interaction between other characters. Each characters kit in WuWa is much more its own distinct thing unreliant on anything else. Hence my worry about signature weapons in the future ending up being what some characters become reliant on. But I hope Im wrong of course. Only time will tell
@@Solunerra very fair points actually, completely forgot that plunge hu tao with cloud retainer is good, my bad. kuro typically (from what i’ve heard) are pretty good developers and tend to listen to their players, so i’m hoping they’ll hear the concerns of weapons being a need rather than a want and find a way to resolve that before it does become a problem. though considering it’s a single player game (for the most part), signature weapons probably won’t be too necessary, it’ll just come down to whether you can clear stuff quick enough. either way, i’m very excited to see how this game turns out even if i don’t agree with some choices they make in the future regarding characters and their weapons
biggest negative Nancy gets the most luck 💀😂😭
Apparently 201$ gives you everything that’s in the game right now 😅. At least if you don’t want it same as in Genshin 😂.
Everything except for the four stars!
@@Solunerra you know that sound so good and so wrong at the same time
That hurt watching you getting mad over getting Jiyan
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lol I straight up love this dude, I mean he sounds so happy, it’s wholesome!
Lol ty, I was having fun this video (and am having fun in the game).
Lots of the current comments have been a bit unfun to read seeing people think Im just being "bitter" and hating on the game when Im just trying to encourage people to think differently about gacha games is all lol.
Jiyan is very fun for me at least. great for crowd control and fun to toss enemy's around with! he's like a mix of kazuha and Xiao in my mind
My rates have been rubbish. I hit pity on the 50 banner and thats the only 5* ive gotten so far. Ive only received 1x new 4* character, everything else has been dupes of starters or 4* weapons (yet no 4* weapon for my Sephiroth)
“i think it’s boring” u know the gambling is bad
Wuthering waves did improve on the bp. Remember having to do 100 local specialties for the weekly even they realized how awful that was. Wuwa also only asks for 5 tacit fields (artifact domains) instead of 20 lay lines which almost nobody does
well, even if its not generous, glad i got a free 5* out of it and another selector, which is 100% more than genshin's ever done so!
I've gone to hard pity on every banner I've pulled so far so watching someone get so lucky while complaining the whole time was actually super frustrating.
And super painful ;'( ...like.. am I playing the same game? I've spent so much though hard pity that I don't even have enough for signature weapon... its so depressing...
A guaranteed character and weapon in Wuwa is 240 pulls and in Genshin its 450. Not to mention you get more currency on average with Wuwa giving between 10 and 40 and Genshin giving between 2 and 10 not to mention the devs generosity with a free 5 star at the start aswell as a selector for gameplay issues AND you get to choose a standard weapon to pull for if you dont like the remaining standard characters. As someone who has played genshin every single non busy day since its release, I can honestly say if u dont think its generous then u are bullshitting urself
and to top it all off they actually have a game design that actually allows me to use my characters endlessly instead of 20 mins of daily chores that Hoyo gives me (and I willingly suck up like a greedy fuck)
I got Jihan on my second 10 pull so yea this game has some interesting rates atleast it seems like it looking at other people pulling
I just bought lunites but it still says 0 even tho it says its paid how?
I agree that it seems like this game will encourage you to grab characters signature weapons in addition to them. I don't really mind this, but I do worry that dupes might also be encouraged too. Buying dupes in the shop seems to be a system to make things easier for whales (similar to how Genshin's Epitomized Path is more of a QoL for whales than f2p/low spenders) because you need to do a lot of pulls to get enough currency to afford a dupe let alone 2. I'm happy to save for a character and their weapon but if I also need 2 more dupes for them to function that's gonna feel bad.
I'm liking this game a lot but it's fine and good to keep in mind that it is a gacha that's designed to get you spending in the end. We can enjoy the rewards without taking them for granted
The WuWa developers sending spies to know when Soluna is pulling to rig his pulls sjslshdkdj
4:24 boring because it's guaranteed.... dud please be realistic 🙃 this is the stupidest thing i'v heard from hoyoverse dogs
Hoyoverse simps just hit different no lie. It’s ridiculous.
Ww simps are wost
Ever heard if content?
gacha is objectivrly built on gambling quit whining dog
The thing I've noticed is that 90% of ppl get things early and in good amounts (talking abt 4 stars) but never what they actually want
i have also gotten verina on 20 pity on the novice banner and jianxin on 30 pity on the beginner select banner. idk lol. the base rate is 0.8% but that shouldn't be so much of a big difference as to give you those absolutely disgusting rolls (i'm happy for you and i shouldn't be complaining because of my own rolls.. but wtf)
18:08 also, yeah, people have discovered that 5 stars actually eat the 4 star pity. it doesn't give you the 4 star immediately after the 5 star like in genshin/star rail if you had gotten a 5 star where the 4 star was supposed to be
Eating the four star pity is very unfortunate and hopefully an oversight. And yeah 0.8% definitely doesnt account for my luck lol
i am convinced they cranked up the rates bcuz the most pity ive gone to is like 50
Nah you just got insanely lucky. Took me 12 rerolls to get an account with two 5-stars in 50 wishes, and one of them was the terrible dancing boy.
"We're going to do stupid things again, because thats basically all I do on my channel", this is good, subscribed.
Pulling on a banner of a character you don't want and getting his weapon too
There was a glitch on epic games where you could've gotten the 99 usd pack, or any top-up at that matter for 30 rubles, aka ~33 cents. Shit was funny, it got patched though, and those who had abused it are 99.9% getting their accounts reverted. (You could've gotten a C6R5 character for like 4 dollars)
not generous? the game just give 2 5 star selector unit and weapon selector
like wtf do you want lol
idk why yall are having problems. im running a 2080 super and i havent crashed at all
i should’ve listened to your advice, spent some money on wuwa only for it to randomly decide it can’t run on my device anymore. i’m pretty upset as i’ve enjoyed the game and was saving for some other characters, but oh well. mistakes are meant to be made
Btw, mortefi is xinqiu
Say no more!
“ I would’ve preferred not the best character in the game “ 😂
just now rewatching this video. did you know when pulling a banner the words " Jiyan up!" actually mean you get more of him?
My first 10 pull on the limited character banner was a 5 star, did I win the 50/50? No. Was it still insane? Yep.
watching you suffering from your luck in this game hurts when i've been playing from day 1and have to go to pity each time for every 5 star and then losing the 50/50 for jiyan T~T anyway i guess that debunks your theory and this game just loves you XD
Definitely not cranked up rates for me anyways, from beginner banner I got encore in 30, which was lucky but for the selector banner I went all the way to 80 for my Verina
I mean 30 wishes for beginner banner is still an early.
how did u hit pity already 0-0 are they that generous? I kinda stopped playing after hitting union lv 4,cuz of the lag
@O-R-I-G-I-N I used abit of asterite on that select banner since I'm uninterested in any of the limmited units coming for now, since I got my verina I'm now settled to save for atleast afew months so I'll get them back as time goes by, tho yea they are pretty generous as there's alot of ways to get the summon currency
@@Solunerra True, I was really surprised when I got encore early
rates are cranked bro. u must be delusional 😹
Anyone here facing cross region payment risk detected issue and can't top up lunite subscription?
This the first time I post on videos of this channel but complaining about how long it takes to build a character compared to Genshin is a wild take.
I... wasnt comparing to Genshin when I said that? I was commenting on the general problem of resource management related to building characters and how I can _already_ sense its going to be annoying, even early game
@@Solunerra It's quite literally too early to tell. Unless someone already has this tabled out no one can say if it gets worse or better like HSR.
????? building in this game is horrendous man. u can litterally focus 1 person. echo building after being able to get legendaries or even around data 10 is aids
My heart goes out to you Sol; you're being very objective and rational with the information you had as well as things going on with the game at the time yet you're faced with nothing but tribalism in this comment section. It's honestly sad to see since I know you've had fun playing the game and just want it to be better. All I can say is I hope the community mellows out overtime because the way they act at the moment won't do anything but drive people like me who want to play the game in the future (waiting for a console release) away from the game in order to avoid it's community.
Ty, I appreciate this comment amidst everything else lol
I don’t think they will make weapons mandatory for characters just because they are easy to get, they manage weapons in their other game (pgr) really well, no weapon is a MUST to make the character work.
Soluna, you're the straw that broke the camals back, im downloading wuwa now.
Between begginer banner, 5 star guaranteed banner, and the free 5 star we get tomorrow, we get 3 standards and can save pulls for the limited.
Been playing that game since it got released and so far you dont even need to buy lunite or what the heck its called to get 5 stars...you can just explore and do some events, quest and you'll be fine.but still i love your content and i qlso love the fact that your telling us that buying to get what you want is useless.
So this is the guy sucking all of my luck
Could anyone possibly tell me how many wishes the 14.99 pack (AKA Lunite x980) get you?
Also if possible could someone tell me how many wishes the $4.99 pack gets you?
this game is INCREDIBLY generous and is much more generous than most gatcha games
I got so lucky on this game lol two 5* on a 10 pull and four 4* on another 10 pull. Under $100 im mind blown!!!!!
On my first day of playing I didn’t immediately wish on the 50 pity starter banner. I spent $45 hoping to get ONE Danjin. Again, $45 later, I got her. But before that, I got 3 Mortefis in 1 10 pull and by the end of DAY 1 of playing I got him to C6 or what ever constellations are called in this game.
For me, it's the opposite lol. I just wanted one mortefi and got 3 of her and other random 4 stars instead
They're called "Sequences"
this game isnt more generous... proceeds to get everything in the game, the best dps, the best healers, the bests 4 stars
I thought I was the only one that hates the star rail summon animation
"Oh no I can't stop winning" lol nice
PGR is the game you NEED signatures but i feel like wuwa featured weapons are just for if you want crit weapons
For the one millionth time you don’t need to use meta I beat most of the tower as ftp and all holo 4 bosses so far
I live in turkey, the recommended server for me is europe for both hoyo games and WuWa. I selected american servers for genshin and hsr because most of my friends were on that server. However i selected the european server on WuWa. I have worse ping on WuWa... also my pc is laggy as fuck
Like i had no problems with my pc before downloading WuWa but now even my other games are lagging
WHEN WILL MY TIME TO B HAPPY COME? 😭😭😭 SHARE THE LUCK SIR CUZ I JUST LOSE MY 50/50 😭
I'm gonna do a no pull account just for the hell of it, Kuro Games seems like a good developer to doa gacha challenge like that since they hand out characters like candy... gonna be posting them on my YT too so people can see me suffer
It is better to reroll often and early than swiping , managed to get Jiyan with the free 20 pulls and then i got Verina and Encore with the other free 20 pulls from mail, then i picked up Calcharo and now i got all my bases covered and resources left to guarantee me at least two banner characters in the future by just playing the game. Reroll a few accounts , get the freebies and if all goes to hell in the future at least you have a fallback plan that just need some grinding and light maintenance to keep ready.
RNG is RNG but i basicly got 200 $ + for free by just using 25 min of my time to try a reroll and got lucky.
has anyone tested how pity works in this game yet, cuz i swear i get 5 stars at like 30-50 pulls like all the time
At earliest it starts at 65 pity, my current guess is it starts at 67 and its more likely you will get a 5 star around 70-73. Its definitely not at 50 pity lol
Well think of it this way, profitable games tend to get more support, also they have made a decently generous apology for said technical issues.
Getting a unit selector for a 3rd guaranteed 5 Star after the beginner banners is hopefully indicative of their hopes for the game.
I came here to just see the ascetics of this game and I'm not intrigued at all. Genshin got me as it felt nostalgic, like games I'd played and loved as a kid. This one visually is just rubbing me the wrong way and I cannot for the life of me put my finger on what feels "off".
Also 9:36 part right part wrong. Hoyo doesn't design genshin weapons to be nessisairy for a characters kit BUT Hoyo's Honkai Impact 3rd is a whole different ball park. It was a huge sticker shock when I started playing because you NEED the weapons (and Stigmas for pt1 valks) so that game is VERY expensive for anyone wanting to do end game content, which is like 60+% of that game. That said your right, there is a chance that this game could be more like HI3 with weapons than like Genshin.
I know im late but Soluna, you're one of the really few youtubers that can make wishing entartaining. I don't like overreacting or saying things like "its a five start for sure this time!" 10 times in a row, its just bland for me while your yap is so naturally funny.
What can i say u deserve your luck brother!
btw. its just your luck day 1 i rerolled for Jiyan whole day and got no 5 star on his banner - 20 accounts with around 13 pulls so its not Kuro games cranking rates its just you cranking your luck!
i like this game better than others because I feel more free and the rewards are generous
I think no one thinks that wuwa is more generous with their pity system except weapon banners but if you want to start the game now you get a complete 5 star loadout for free. And the added consistency in the weapon banners (if carried on in the future) is way better. Gacha will always be predatory though.
If i misspelled something im not a native speaker
its even more predatory since theyre cranking the rates giving false hope that itll always be this lucky.
I did 2 pulls on the standard weapon banner. The first time i got the 5 star weapon and a 4 star weapon. The 2nd time i got 4 4 star characters. Don't waste your pulls on the character banners.
that's what im thinking too, they're being so generous right now and in due time something is gonna happen so they can start making profits weather its powercreep or the rates change lmfao everyones luck is pretty good in the patch
Powercreep is more likely if we take for exemple pgr powercreep goes hard not that the initial character are bad but the new ones are insane it’s the same thing for hsr it’s a more f2p game but look at the powercreep we have lol gacha game the more generous they’re there is gonna be more powercreep heavy simply because they need you to pull it’s a game OBVIOUSLY THEY DO THING to gain money 😭 it’s so logical it doesn’t change the fact that they’re generous genshin isn’t generous but there isn’t that much powercreep so it’s not that bad hsr is more generous and we do have more powercreep Wuthering waves probably will be a very generous game but with hard end game content that requires you to have five star weapon etc because well you have it guaranteed there’s no reason to not pull 💀
I got Jiyan with 35 pulls and 3 Danjins. I've been rolling on Jiyan's banner with every single resource I've obtained and I'm under 20 union level.
Having a guaranteed weapon banner is actually dope, Genshin would never frfr.
It’s nice to see someone else with abnormally good luck in this game. I got two five stars on my first day of playing but now my luck is dogshit 😭
Everything evens out eventually with large enough datasets lol
@@Solunerra lol true
I’m really glad these videos do super well for you
thank god he got good pulls or the gunshit biasm would of quite possibly leaked from his memory
“Not that generous”?!? even though they gave us over 100 free pulls and 2 guaranteed 5 stars not even tof was that generous
For 4 stars (in any Gatcha) I feel like they should always be in a shop like the starglitter exchange where for every 90-ish pulls you should have enough currency to buy a copy. No rotations or anything either. Maybe they aren't added until a patch after release but that's it.
I got Encore first ten pull on beginner banner, then lost 50/50 to Yingyang on Jiyan's banner at 30 pity, but managed to snipe him at another 30 pity. And I'm 1 or 2 ten pulls away from getting Verina. And with the selector coming, gonna get Calcharo or h/e you spell his name. :D Great start.
I got 56 radiant tide how much would it cost to get at 80 if I do the 99 cent package ? Any help would be appreaceated
Now I know you’ll never play this game anymore but i wish you give it another chance.
“Game is stingy” at 2:44, talks about mats needed from a replenishing energy source (wave plates, which are not really needed to be paid for)… sir that is really dumb
You think I was referring to paid resources in that comment lol? I _was_ referring to waveplates (the resin equivalent) in regards to what you get when farming bosses in particular. You know the word stingy can be used to refer to resource issues in games outside of the paid currency right?
At Union 20 boss drops are still only guaranteed to be 1 drop and you need 3 boss drops to ascend ONE character. With a cost of 60 waveplates per boss and 240 per day, that means it will likely take 3/4 of a days worth of resources for JUST the first (non trivial) ascension of a character, let alone need for using waveplates for character level XP, weapon XP, and echo XP. And this is a gacha game, with lots of characters. THAT is what I was talking about in calling the game stingy, not paid resources. No clue how tf you thought I was referring to paid resources when I literally was talking about boss farming when I said that.
@@Solunerra I did not, in fact, think you were referring to paid items. I was just and still am incredulous that you are referring to a REPLENISHING resource as “rare, infrequent, hard to come by, wuwa only gives too little and they suck” or however you want to define stingy.
Maybe they’ll optimise it further and bring down waveplate costs, and players will like that, but it’s some extreme stretch of the imagination to call it stingy. Some people don’t have more than half an hour, or an hour to spend playing daily and all live service games build their daily activities accordingly so that everyone gets enjoyment out of whatever time they have, whether it’s 20 mins to do content that spends waveplates or one hour to do that and explore on top etc. They didn’t arbitrarily say, pick a number, any number, and slap the costs of activities randomly.
Stingy would make sense in the context of a necessary resource that’s doled out in very little quantity and that you otherwise have to pay for it. But wuwa has been extremely generous so far with that too. So it just made no sense to me that even with all that you decide to call them stingy and with a non-paid resource at that.
I’ve explained my thought process here, because I don’t understand why this was such an issue for you. Perhaps it’s because you’re a content creator? But there are so many other and maybe better things to give WuWa constructive crit on, like the buggy mobile release, camera lock issues, etc.
One of my friends got tripple early and the other one got a single early.
This luck is literally criminal.
"the weapon banner is boring because the weapon is guaranteed" combined with "gacha games are predatory" is a hell of a funny combo. Yeah this is for content I know but you really should've qualified that first statement heavily.
I understand where you're coming from, you made some fair points but at the end of the say it's all speculation. I'm not too worried since Kuro is trying to tap into the Genshin Impact market and the reason why Genshin is so popular is a lot of factors, one being powercreep is nonexistent/ being incredibly slow and f2p can clear endgame.
Or at least that's what I hope, I already see Kuro walking in Hoyo's footsteps with Verina(Bennett) and you can get her easily since they gave us 2 free five stars of our choice.
Walmart and Target…
Meanwhile me: shopping at meijer’s
Walmart and target is just what Im used to in the midwest US lol
Pain. that's what I got after 100€ and got Encored, after reaching pity even. And you know what? I got Encored also in my standard banner. She's the Qiqi of my WuWa.
i literally got jiyan in a few pulls and i got verina early from the beginner banner...how am I so lucky in any game BESIDES genshin, i swear i did not win a single 50/50 in genshin for over a year. jiyan is so good and fun to play he's been shredding through all the enemies. I'm also lucky because i literally have not had any performance issues with this game. i swear this game randomly decides who it wants to work perfectly for and who it will barely run for.
I just used the free pulls and got jiyan, the dancing guy on beginners banner and selected calchario I just use whoever felt the best in whatever team and just enjoy it.
just saying the rates arent buffed, but you sure do drive the case forward.
maybe it could be the case that this game doesnt have the genshin curse of a dry area in the middle ammounts of pity where rate is lower than the start and soft pity part. i always hated that system as someone who had to math random number generators a few times.