I would never rank the Genesis members. Their work means too much to me, for me to pick favourites. That said, you could arguably replace everyone except Tony Banks and still retain the core Genesis sound, so I guess he's my favourite. He's certainly the one closest to my own personality, so that helps.
@@SpaceCattttt I agree, this was only a bit of fun so this ranking list isn’t meant to be taken seriously and the top 5 especially are the top dogs. 😄👍
@@SpaceCattttt It’s all cool, I know that and I can understand as the top 5 members and Anthony Phillips are the essential Genesis members. The others only made it to a single album, which is a shame but they moved on to other things. 🤣👍
I recon Anthony would have stayed in the band if it wasn’t for his stage fright, he left the band exactly 34 years before I was born when he was just 18 but he would later play on MR’s solo album “Smallcreep’s Day”. 😄👍
@@sportster16301 I love them two, Steve stayed with the band up until their EP “Spot the Pigeon” and Mike was with them all the way and they’re both criminally talented at their instruments!! 😄👍
You are correct, IMHO of course, that Tony Banks is the #1. This is not so much because of his standard of musicianship but because of his composition and arrangement skills. He wrote vast swathes of the Genesis catalogue and even on songs he didn't write per se he contributed sometimes stunning keyboard comps and solos that often define why those songs are so popular and remembered. He is the one member of Genesis who is genuinely and completely irreplaceable. He's like Kieth Richards is to the Stones. I think you underestimate the importance of Peter Gabriel. He was completely integral and essential to Genesis' greatest records, the ones they are really remembered for such as Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound (arguably their best records) and he really defined (along with Banks and Collins) the classic Genesis sound and song structures. The third great album, Trick of the Tail and the first without Gabriel, is really a testament to his importance since all the songs strongly follow the previous Gabriel classics in terms of Phil Collins vocal performance and lyrical style plus the song's compositional style. Gabriel's influence is all over them. The live album Seconds Out which records their famous 1976/7 tour and almost entirely comprises Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound and Trick of the Tail material clearly demonstrates Gabriel's colossal influence, Phil Collins is essentially copying Gabriel throughout. After that Gabriel's influence gradually waned and as a result their future albums never really reached the same genre defining heights of those three great records (or four if you include Seconds Out). So yeah, IMHO Tony Banks is absolutely irreplaceable and definitely #1 but I would put Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel equal second. This is because although Collins proved to able to replace Gabriel as lead singer very well he could not create and innovate lyrically like Gabriel did but on the other hand Gabriel cannot drum like Collins and Phil's drumming is totally central to Genesis music. So I can't really rate the one over the other, they both in the essential category. Whatever, IMHO it's those three (Banks, Gabriel and Collins) who are primarily responsible for the classic Genesis records and without whom they would never have happened in the way they did. BTW the Brand X record to get is Moroccan Roll, it's excellent and their subsequent efforts are really just as imitation of it. I'm told, although I wouldn't personally know about such things you understand, that it's particularly good if you happen to have some mind altering substances lying about.
@@Gregorovitch144 Thank you, I’ll definitely listen to Brand X at some point and my top 5 are the perfect members so just because I put PG at 5th place doesn’t mean I dislike him I just prefer the other members a tad bit more. 😊👍
If Collins was trying to copy Gabriel on Seconds Out, he did a lousy job because he ended up sounding much better. And giving Gabriel credit for A Trick of the Tail is such a stretch. To my best knowledge none of that material had anything to do with him whatsoever. Maybe you hear what you wanna hear
@@DanielDennett-l9n Phil definitely found his true voice on “Duke”, however I’ve always loved his singing and I can tell it apart from PG’s voice very well. 😉👍
It’s a fun top man ! I disagree with most of it but I suppose everyone has their own ranking List ! 😊 I didn’t get why you included Mick Barnard who I believe only stayed a few weeks with the band and never recorded with them ?
@@colonelkurtz331 Wikipedia put him down as a “past member” of the band and he was Ant’s first replacement so yeah, anyhow I got this video inspired from an “Everything Phil Collins” video where us viewers had to pick our least favourite member and yeah. 🤣👍
Decent list but crazy to even try to rank The Top Five. They are all equally talented in my book. I agree about Ray Wilson and Paul Carrick. Wilson has a very nice voice. John Mayhew is quite fine on 'The Knife'. Between his voice and creative spirit, Peter Gabriel is superb. Hackett is ridiculously good. Rutherford is underrated as a bass player, an incredible 12-string guitarist, and if a little more assertive, a fine lead guitar. Phil and Tony must tie for first. Tony is THE SOUND of Genesis. He did so much in his approach to chords and modulation. But if I had to pick the top musician in the band, my vote is for Phil. His drumming and percussion alone put him at the top, but add his arrangements, rhythm concepts, writing, and uniquely beautiful and soulful voice, cement his status.
Thank you, I could change the order on a different day and depending on which album I’m listening to but this was just a bit of fun and nothing to take to heart. 😄👍
Rutherfors compositional skill along with Bank's melody & harmonies made genesis the icon it became. It was very muck like the partnership of Gilmour & Waters minus all the animosity.
Chris Stewart played on more than just the Silent Sun. That was a single included on the album, but there was another single (A Winter's Tale) and both single's B-sides That's Me and One-Eyed Hound, so I believe he played on all 4 of those. And possibly some demo stuff that was released later. But what about the 2 drummers on Calling All Stations, Nir Z and Nick D'Virgilio? They at least played on an album whereas Mick Barnard didn't, so don't know why you left them out.
'Calliope' is a fine 1993 film (if short at 16 min). Phil is excellent as the lead character. It is a fine farce on the film-noir genre. Worth checking out.
Rutherford would have been lead guitarist but Ant Phillips was better. He is criminally under rated as a bassist. Not in the Squire league but still in the too division. Steve's current band is phenomenal. Stuermer replaced him for the live shows and is stunning. Saw him in 76 with Jean Luc Ponty.
Great bands are a chemistry between players that often can't exist elsewhere. This is why so many supergroups fail. It's more than just pure virtuosity. Certainly, no one in the Beatles was a virtuoso, although McCartney was a genius. Yet the sum of the whole is all that mattered. I think Gabriel is extremely critical to the early Genesis. I disagree with those who act like he was the holy grail of the band. He certainly was a brilliant lyricist and had a unique vision that involved a level of performance art that made the band more appealing to a general audience. Watching virtuoso players that don't move or do much on stage is often a criticism of the art and prog bands. But, I think Genesis musically reached a sophistication much higher without Gabriel. Phil really never wanted to be a front man singer but was elected to that position. Initially, i do think his main focus was to try and sound like Peter. But, he found his own voice. As it turned out, he turned out to be a fantastic singer as well as one of the best drummers to have ever played. Even their later, often criticized pop friendly material had hidden complexities that most people are unaware of. As an example, I'd like to hear any cover band pull off the entire unedited "Tonight,Tonight." Listen to some of the rhythmic elements of "Just a job to do." Sure, it's radio friendly but also tricky to pull off.
@@smitlag I agree, the trio era of Genesis is under appreciated and I love “Tonight, Tonight, Tonight” because of how spookily catchy that song is and I love “Just a Job To Do” because of how catchy it is and how well stricter the song is. 😄👍
@@stevemalek2970 I definitely will do when I buy it don’t worry, it’s just he left the band and wasn’t involved in the later albums so I ranked the other members a bit higher because of their presence. 😄👍
@@danielpalmersofficial I understand what you mean, from the grand scope he's not top person. For me the 70s progressive era, he was definitely top. Keep up the good work!
Should we include Nick Barnard as a "studio" member of Genesis? His playing exists on no (known) recordings... It's true that Genesis wanted someone better than he, yet Tony Banks reported somewhere that, just as they were about to replace him, he came up with some really cool guitar parts... As for Silver, true enough, he left no decisive mark on the band's sound, but Anthony Phillips did write a lovely sentimental song (several versions of which are out there, with Phil Collins singing) about Silver's departure... He must have meant something!
I love Mayhew's drumming on _Trespass,_ really! His fluid, uncomplicated playing suited everything they were doing at the time. His parts are often memorable moments of every song on _Trespass._
@@MrHistorian123 Nice, thank you for sharing!! Most of them played on one album or played with them live (Mick), also why do you think Tony is a great musician but a total fool?? 😄👍
@@danielpalmersofficial He's far from a fool. He's just not a very nice person. If you saw the Genesis documentary, he didn't have much of a good word for Hackett, Gabriel or any former members of the band. And he insisted that Hackett's solo work was completely sidelined, despite being far better than his own.
Labeling Chester Thompson as "irrelevant" is foolish --yes, he was not on studio recordings, yet he carried the band live throughout the years with stellar drumming -- improving upon live versions and even challenging Phil's drumming within their drum solo duets
Its an intresting attempt but imho doomed to fail because Genesis - not unlike any other great bands of that period - were always bigger than the sum of their members. Just look at the composition skills. Banks needed a Rutherford to keep the band grounded, and Rutherford needed a Banks to go for all the crazy stuff they tried especially in the 70s. And then again, what do you actually rank? Writing skills or technical aspects, right? Rutherford was a great writer, a talented bassist but a lousy guitarist. And as for Ray Wilson: I think he is actually a pretty good singer and musician. I think his problem was that Genesis was already dead when he joined. Banks and Rutherford just had no more good ideas. Thats why the album was lousy not because Wilson was a bad singer.
@@oliverzwahlen Rutherford wasn’t as strong as Hackett but I don’t think his playing was awful, oh and I recon if “Calling All Stations” wasn’t under the Genesis name it would have done slightly better. 😄👍
@@danielpalmersofficial Don't get me wrong Taylor Swift is hot 🔥 and she has a few ok pop songs ... But real musicians are the ones like old Genesis, or the band " Yes "..
I find videos that rate musicians or albums a waste of time and this one is no exception. How can you rate members of a band that play different instruments and have different capabilities for songwriting not to mention different songwriting styles.👎
@@andrewatherton9367 I know they’re all different but I love most of them the same because of how unique each member is, it’s quite difficult to explain but I enjoy it as I can share my opinions with other people. 😄👍
@@danielpalmersofficial The well known members of the band are excellent musicians in their own right and together they created some phenomenal music. I did not care for the band after Steve Hackett left as they began writing more pop songs; you even begin to see some of that on Wind and Wuthering. Phil Collins is an adequate singer; not uncommon for pop and rock, but he has very little vocal control and range; half the time he is overpowering us with his vocals. Peter Gabriel was so much better at singing, he has range, vocal control and nuance. Phil Collins is an excellent drummer; check him out playing with Brand X.
@@andrewatherton9367 I agree, this was just some fun and not to be taken seriously. I love the band as a whole, especially when they were a 5 piece and even when PG left they were still strong in my opinion. I’ll definitely listen to Brand X at some point, I’ve actually seen one of their albums in the market and John Giblin and Peter Robinson were also in the band at some point which is cool!! 😄👍
@@merlinman7300 I love these sort of videos, it’s interesting seeing people’s opinions on certain things such as shows, games, films, albums, etc. However, if people would rather avoid them type of videos then I understand. 😄👍
I would never rank the Genesis members. Their work means too much to me, for me to pick favourites.
That said, you could arguably replace everyone except Tony Banks and still retain the core Genesis sound, so I guess he's my favourite.
He's certainly the one closest to my own personality, so that helps.
@@SpaceCattttt I agree, this was only a bit of fun so this ranking list isn’t meant to be taken seriously and the top 5 especially are the top dogs. 😄👍
@@danielpalmersofficial Oh, I didn't mean to criticize your decision to do a ranking. I just meant that I couldn't do it.
@@SpaceCattttt It’s all cool, I know that and I can understand as the top 5 members and Anthony Phillips are the essential Genesis members. The others only made it to a single album, which is a shame but they moved on to other things. 🤣👍
Same
I recon Anthony would have stayed in the band if it wasn’t for his stage fright, he left the band exactly 34 years before I was born when he was just 18 but he would later play on MR’s solo album “Smallcreep’s Day”. 😄👍
You really need to check out Brand X. Those people who won't listen to music without words should not bother.
@@TRespalto I’ll check them out for sure, I’ll make a list of their discography. 😄👍
Personally, I'd flip Hackett and Rutherford.
@@sportster16301 I love them two, Steve stayed with the band up until their EP “Spot the Pigeon” and Mike was with them all the way and they’re both criminally talented at their instruments!! 😄👍
Spot on. Not many people show any love to A Curious Feeling but it is a gem.
I think it’s a great album, Chester Thompson played the drums and percussion on that album too. 😄👍
You are correct, IMHO of course, that Tony Banks is the #1. This is not so much because of his standard of musicianship but because of his composition and arrangement skills. He wrote vast swathes of the Genesis catalogue and even on songs he didn't write per se he contributed sometimes stunning keyboard comps and solos that often define why those songs are so popular and remembered. He is the one member of Genesis who is genuinely and completely irreplaceable. He's like Kieth Richards is to the Stones.
I think you underestimate the importance of Peter Gabriel. He was completely integral and essential to Genesis' greatest records, the ones they are really remembered for such as Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound (arguably their best records) and he really defined (along with Banks and Collins) the classic Genesis sound and song structures. The third great album, Trick of the Tail and the first without Gabriel, is really a testament to his importance since all the songs strongly follow the previous Gabriel classics in terms of Phil Collins vocal performance and lyrical style plus the song's compositional style. Gabriel's influence is all over them.
The live album Seconds Out which records their famous 1976/7 tour and almost entirely comprises Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound and Trick of the Tail material clearly demonstrates Gabriel's colossal influence, Phil Collins is essentially copying Gabriel throughout. After that Gabriel's influence gradually waned and as a result their future albums never really reached the same genre defining heights of those three great records (or four if you include Seconds Out).
So yeah, IMHO Tony Banks is absolutely irreplaceable and definitely #1 but I would put Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel equal second. This is because although Collins proved to able to replace Gabriel as lead singer very well he could not create and innovate lyrically like Gabriel did but on the other hand Gabriel cannot drum like Collins and Phil's drumming is totally central to Genesis music. So I can't really rate the one over the other, they both in the essential category.
Whatever, IMHO it's those three (Banks, Gabriel and Collins) who are primarily responsible for the classic Genesis records and without whom they would never have happened in the way they did.
BTW the Brand X record to get is Moroccan Roll, it's excellent and their subsequent efforts are really just as imitation of it. I'm told, although I wouldn't personally know about such things you understand, that it's particularly good if you happen to have some mind altering substances lying about.
@@Gregorovitch144 Thank you, I’ll definitely listen to Brand X at some point and my top 5 are the perfect members so just because I put PG at 5th place doesn’t mean I dislike him I just prefer the other members a tad bit more. 😊👍
If Collins was trying to copy Gabriel on Seconds Out, he did a lousy job because he ended up sounding much better. And giving Gabriel credit for A Trick of the Tail is such a stretch. To my best knowledge none of that material had anything to do with him whatsoever. Maybe you hear what you wanna hear
@@DanielDennett-l9n Phil definitely found his true voice on “Duke”, however I’ve always loved his singing and I can tell it apart from PG’s voice very well. 😉👍
It’s a fun top man ! I disagree with most of it but I suppose everyone has their own ranking List ! 😊
I didn’t get why you included Mick Barnard who I believe only stayed a few weeks with the band and never recorded with them ?
@@colonelkurtz331 Wikipedia put him down as a “past member” of the band and he was Ant’s first replacement so yeah, anyhow I got this video inspired from an “Everything Phil Collins” video where us viewers had to pick our least favourite member and yeah. 🤣👍
Peter by a long shot above them all. No contest.
@@saverioc2929 He’s a legend in general, both in Genesis and in his solo career. 😄👍
Decent list but crazy to even try to rank The Top Five. They are all equally talented in my book. I agree about Ray Wilson and Paul Carrick. Wilson has a very nice voice. John Mayhew is quite fine on 'The Knife'. Between his voice and creative spirit, Peter Gabriel is superb. Hackett is ridiculously good. Rutherford is underrated as a bass player, an incredible 12-string guitarist, and if a little more assertive, a fine lead guitar. Phil and Tony must tie for first. Tony is THE SOUND of Genesis. He did so much in his approach to chords and modulation. But if I had to pick the top musician in the band, my vote is for Phil. His drumming and percussion alone put him at the top, but add his arrangements, rhythm concepts, writing, and uniquely beautiful and soulful voice, cement his status.
Thank you, I could change the order on a different day and depending on which album I’m listening to but this was just a bit of fun and nothing to take to heart. 😄👍
Rutherfors compositional skill along with Bank's melody & harmonies made genesis the icon it became. It was very muck like the partnership of Gilmour & Waters minus all the animosity.
@@F.O.H. To be honest, I need to listen to more of Pink Floyd and I’ll give all their albums a listen at some point. 😄👍
Chris Stewart played on more than just the Silent Sun. That was a single included on the album, but there was another single (A Winter's Tale) and both single's B-sides That's Me and One-Eyed Hound, so I believe he played on all 4 of those. And possibly some demo stuff that was released later.
But what about the 2 drummers on Calling All Stations, Nir Z and Nick D'Virgilio? They at least played on an album whereas Mick Barnard didn't, so don't know why you left them out.
@@jamescastelli Oh cool, I’ll have to give them a listen if I haven’t already and I feel like I should have put those 2 on the list. 😄👍
'Calliope' is a fine 1993 film (if short at 16 min). Phil is excellent as the lead character. It is a fine farce on the film-noir genre. Worth checking out.
I’ve heard of it, I’ll definitely check it out!! 😊👍
Rutherford would have been lead guitarist but Ant Phillips was better. He is criminally under rated as a bassist. Not in the Squire league but still in the too division. Steve's current band is phenomenal. Stuermer replaced him for the live shows and is stunning. Saw him in 76 with Jean Luc Ponty.
@@donaldanderson6604 Nice, I love Mike as a bass player and a guitarist!! 😁👍
Great bands are a chemistry between players that often can't exist elsewhere. This is why so many supergroups fail. It's more than just pure virtuosity. Certainly, no one in the Beatles was a virtuoso, although McCartney was a genius. Yet the sum of the whole is all that mattered. I think Gabriel is extremely critical to the early Genesis. I disagree with those who act like he was the holy grail of the band. He certainly was a brilliant lyricist and had a unique vision that involved a level of performance art that made the band more appealing to a general audience. Watching virtuoso players that don't move or do much on stage is often a criticism of the art and prog bands.
But, I think Genesis musically reached a sophistication much higher without Gabriel. Phil really never wanted to be a front man singer but was elected to that position. Initially, i do think his main focus was to try and sound like Peter. But, he found his own voice. As it turned out, he turned out to be a fantastic singer as well as one of the best drummers to have ever played. Even their later, often criticized pop friendly material had hidden complexities that most people are unaware of. As an example, I'd like to hear any cover band pull off the entire unedited "Tonight,Tonight." Listen to some of the rhythmic elements of "Just a job to do." Sure, it's radio friendly but also tricky to pull off.
@@smitlag I agree, the trio era of Genesis is under appreciated and I love “Tonight, Tonight, Tonight” because of how spookily catchy that song is and I love “Just a Job To Do” because of how catchy it is and how well stricter the song is. 😄👍
Peter Gabriel at 5? 🤦♂
Listen to the Lamb again and tell me how he's #5
I do agree that Tony Banks is a top 2, he's 2 for me.
@@stevemalek2970 I definitely will do when I buy it don’t worry, it’s just he left the band and wasn’t involved in the later albums so I ranked the other members a bit higher because of their presence. 😄👍
@@danielpalmersofficial I understand what you mean, from the grand scope he's not top person. For me the 70s progressive era, he was definitely top. Keep up the good work!
@@stevemalek2970 Thank you, I do album reviews and I release my own music too so you should check it out if you want to!! 😄👍
Ranking Genesis _members... !?_ Let's see how this goes... I will provide obnoxious opinions to be ignored as you see fit!
Should we include Nick Barnard as a "studio" member of Genesis? His playing exists on no (known) recordings... It's true that Genesis wanted someone better than he, yet Tony Banks reported somewhere that, just as they were about to replace him, he came up with some really cool guitar parts... As for Silver, true enough, he left no decisive mark on the band's sound, but Anthony Phillips did write a lovely sentimental song (several versions of which are out there, with Phil Collins singing) about Silver's departure... He must have meant something!
I love Mayhew's drumming on _Trespass,_ really! His fluid, uncomplicated playing suited everything they were doing at the time. His parts are often memorable moments of every song on _Trespass._
@@worldnotworld Okay!! 😂👍
@@worldnotworld I’d count Mick as he briefly played on “The Musical Box” and was Anthony’s replacement until Steve came. 😄👍
@@worldnotworld I like Mayhew’s drumming too, nowhere near as goated as Phil Collins’ drumming though. 😄👍
1) Hackett
2) Gabriel
3) Banks (great musician but a total twat)
4) Collins
5) Rutherford
6) Phillips
The rest are a bit irrelevant.
@@MrHistorian123 Nice, thank you for sharing!! Most of them played on one album or played with them live (Mick), also why do you think Tony is a great musician but a total fool?? 😄👍
@@danielpalmersofficial He's far from a fool. He's just not a very nice person. If you saw the Genesis documentary, he didn't have much of a good word for Hackett, Gabriel or any former members of the band. And he insisted that Hackett's solo work was completely sidelined, despite being far better than his own.
@@MrHistorian123 Oh dear, he seems quite snobbish in my opinion after hearing that. 😳
Labeling Chester Thompson as "irrelevant" is foolish --yes, he was not on studio recordings, yet he carried the band live throughout the years with stellar drumming -- improving upon live versions and even challenging Phil's drumming within their drum solo duets
@@mickcoe2475 If I ranked the live members then Chester would be at the top for me, he’s a great drummer and was a great fill in for Phil!! 😄👍
Its an intresting attempt but imho doomed to fail because Genesis - not unlike any other great bands of that period - were always bigger than the sum of their members. Just look at the composition skills. Banks needed a Rutherford to keep the band grounded, and Rutherford needed a Banks to go for all the crazy stuff they tried especially in the 70s. And then again, what do you actually rank? Writing skills or technical aspects, right? Rutherford was a great writer, a talented bassist but a lousy guitarist.
And as for Ray Wilson: I think he is actually a pretty good singer and musician. I think his problem was that Genesis was already dead when he joined. Banks and Rutherford just had no more good ideas. Thats why the album was lousy not because Wilson was a bad singer.
@@oliverzwahlen Rutherford wasn’t as strong as Hackett but I don’t think his playing was awful, oh and I recon if “Calling All Stations” wasn’t under the Genesis name it would have done slightly better. 😄👍
A 20 year old that listens to real music and not Taylor Swift
@@46GarageUSA Taylor Swift is so meh, I love Genesis and many other 80s bands!! 😄👍
@@danielpalmersofficial
Don't get me wrong Taylor Swift is hot 🔥 and she has a few ok pop songs ...
But real musicians are the ones like old Genesis, or the band " Yes "..
@46GarageUSA Exactly, I’m delving deeper into Yes’ discography and I’m really digging their music!! 😄👍
@@danielpalmersofficial
Marillion the album Misplaced Childhood has an earlier Genesis feel
@@46GarageUSA I’ll have to listen to that at some point, I’ll really have to!! 😄👍
I find videos that rate musicians or albums a waste of time and this one is no exception. How can you rate members of a band that play different instruments and have different capabilities for songwriting not to mention different songwriting styles.👎
@@andrewatherton9367 I know they’re all different but I love most of them the same because of how unique each member is, it’s quite difficult to explain but I enjoy it as I can share my opinions with other people. 😄👍
@@danielpalmersofficial The well known members of the band are excellent musicians in their own right and together they created some phenomenal music. I did not care for the band after Steve Hackett left as they began writing more pop songs; you even begin to see some of that on Wind and Wuthering. Phil Collins is an adequate singer; not uncommon for pop and rock, but he has very little vocal control and range; half the time he is overpowering us with his vocals. Peter Gabriel was so much better at singing, he has range, vocal control and nuance. Phil Collins is an excellent drummer; check him out playing with Brand X.
@@andrewatherton9367 I agree, this was just some fun and not to be taken seriously. I love the band as a whole, especially when they were a 5 piece and even when PG left they were still strong in my opinion. I’ll definitely listen to Brand X at some point, I’ve actually seen one of their albums in the market and John Giblin and Peter Robinson were also in the band at some point which is cool!! 😄👍
Don't watch them then?
@@merlinman7300 I love these sort of videos, it’s interesting seeing people’s opinions on certain things such as shows, games, films, albums, etc. However, if people would rather avoid them type of videos then I understand. 😄👍