At my school reunion 2 weeks ago i mistook an old dear friend who used to be willowy, extremely pale, blonde, and a dancer for another old friend who was black, stocky, and short haired, because she had her hair dyed (a dark maroon!) and pinned up close to her head, and now walks differently because she's come down with psoriatic arthritis like me which also makes us a lot more sedentary and chunky. (I couldn't see her color clearly because she was backlit by the sun, which was in my eyes.) As soon as she spoke to me, it was like she snapped into focus - oh, [name]! I was very nearsighted ss a child, possibly as a baby, so I probably wasn't seeing faces clearly at the developmental stage when a baby learns to process faces. Instead learned to recognize people by their build, body language, gait, and, most of all, their voices. (Which, incidentally, play an outsized role in whom I find attractive. Hilariously, I just realized my tendency to be attracted to the lines/curves of people's necks and shoulders may also be due to my limited range of vision as a baby! Although FWiW I am bi but demi: I've only ever fallen in love with a few friends I like for their personality and our shared interests and experiences, and then I may notice and enjoy their physical attributes more- again, their whole bodies, the way cat owners see their whole cat and don't focus so much on the "face.") Which is a good analogy. i'm always cautious of comparing people to animals lest I cause offense. but I see people the way I see cats or horses - at first all white cats/horses look the same, but if you like and spend time with them, you learn to recognize their build, body language, the length of the tail, sounds they make, and small distinguishing marks like a nip out of one ear. I think people with acute prosopagnosia have to do the same thing with humans. We're just missing or have poor facial recognition software. be stretched and possibly pointed because of converging lines towards the vanishing point (look up one point and two point perspective in art) As a side note, look up "The Texture Resource" and find the texture maps for playstation two characters. I recommend Final Fantasy X (look up "texture map Tidus" for example). All the textures/skin for each character are saved compactly on one 2D jpg like all the pieces of a garment pattern. Then the game engine cuts out and wraps those textures around the wireframe 3D model. Because it's a flat square 2D image, it's distorted like a mercator projection in order to wrap over a curved surface. It seems like PMO patients are doing the inverse of that process, but incorrectly.
Fascinating research! Thanks for sharing! Very interested in learning more about the light therapy treatments being done now. Came here from show on NPR This American Life broadcast this morning. I wonder about links with: sleepwalking/vivid dreaming; dissociative abilities, particularly with social anxiety (when I am in crowds faces become unrecognizable); other sensory disorders - loss of smell?
About the glasses: They are a simple, recognizablr visual marker indicating the front and sides of the head, as well as its orientation/angle. That would give the brain an aid if visual processing is having trouble correctly interpreting foreshortening or facial features mapped onto the 3D structure of the head. beginning artists often have trouble drawing faces because they draw different features at different angles, or just don't understand the angle of the head. this seems like a more extreme version of the problem, with the brain flailing and starting to distort what it's seeing because it doesn't know how wide to make foreshortened areas or how to desl with the way features change shape in the visual field as they move or change lighting/angle.
Or they’re really seeing what they’re seeing and the screen is a filter that those energies can’t go through, crazy to say I know but who knows, They Live could be real 🤷🏾
That's a brain condition and in most cases the underlying lesion is visible on the MRI scan. I don't think there's any necessity to find esoteric explanations.
they mentioned a couple dif types of this situation, its not just 'demons ' and such, like they go into more detail about faces morphing into someone elses face.. etc wich has happend to me on ketamine a few times but it was everyones face morphing into the same face but no ones face in the room. so i guess ive had a taste of this experiance.. only mine was temporary:/ lol.
@@DoubleDraycoThat’s how people become scientists/more knowledgeable about science- asking questions. All research is experimental and often based on wild hypothesis at first. Let people imagine, to encourage their interest in science. And I actually wondered the same thing. Take this science and have Brian Greene use it to discuss perceptions of the quantum world, our need to make order out of chaos, and you have a fascinating discussion about…two theoretical areas of science 🤷🏻♀️
At my school reunion 2 weeks ago i mistook an old dear friend who used to be willowy, extremely pale, blonde, and a dancer for another old friend who was black, stocky, and short haired, because she had her hair dyed (a dark maroon!) and pinned up close to her head, and now walks differently because she's come down with psoriatic arthritis like me which also makes us a lot more sedentary and chunky. (I couldn't see her color clearly because she was backlit by the sun, which was in my eyes.)
As soon as she spoke to me, it was like she snapped into focus - oh, [name]!
I was very nearsighted ss a child, possibly as a baby, so I probably wasn't seeing faces clearly at the developmental stage when a baby learns to process faces. Instead learned to recognize people by their build, body language, gait, and, most of all, their voices.
(Which, incidentally, play an outsized role in whom I find attractive. Hilariously, I just realized my tendency to be attracted to the lines/curves of people's necks and shoulders may also be due to my limited range of vision as a baby! Although FWiW I am bi but demi: I've only ever fallen in love with a few friends I like for their personality and our shared interests and experiences, and then I may notice and enjoy their physical attributes more- again, their whole bodies, the way cat owners see their whole cat and don't focus so much on the "face.")
Which is a good analogy. i'm always cautious of comparing people to animals lest I cause offense. but I see people the way I see cats or horses - at first all white cats/horses look the same, but if you like and spend time with them, you learn to recognize their build, body language, the length of the tail, sounds they make, and small distinguishing marks like a nip out of one ear. I think people with acute prosopagnosia have to do the same thing with humans. We're just missing or have poor facial recognition software.
be stretched and possibly pointed because of converging lines towards the vanishing point (look up one point and two point perspective in art)
As a side note, look up "The Texture Resource" and find the texture maps for playstation two characters. I recommend Final Fantasy X (look up "texture map Tidus" for example). All the textures/skin for each character are saved compactly on one 2D jpg like all the pieces of a garment pattern. Then the game engine cuts out and wraps those textures around the wireframe 3D model. Because it's a flat square 2D image, it's distorted like a mercator projection in order to wrap over a curved surface. It seems like PMO patients are doing the inverse of that process, but incorrectly.
Fascinating research! Thanks for sharing! Very interested in learning more about the light therapy treatments being done now. Came here from show on NPR This American Life broadcast this morning. I wonder about links with: sleepwalking/vivid dreaming; dissociative abilities, particularly with social anxiety (when I am in crowds faces become unrecognizable); other sensory disorders - loss of smell?
came here from an article about Duchaine in the New Yorker magazine. Interesting research!
@@sunnyinvladivostok Jason is in that article too
@@BraininaVat dang, totally missed that! going back too reread, thanks & cheers!
About the glasses: They are a simple, recognizablr visual marker indicating the front and sides of the head, as well as its orientation/angle.
That would give the brain an aid if visual processing is having trouble correctly interpreting foreshortening or facial features mapped onto the 3D structure of the head.
beginning artists often have trouble drawing faces because they draw different features at different angles, or just don't understand the angle of the head. this seems like a more extreme version of the problem, with the brain flailing and starting to distort what it's seeing because it doesn't know how wide to make foreshortened areas or how to desl with the way features change shape in the visual field as they move or change lighting/angle.
Or they’re really seeing what they’re seeing and the screen is a filter that those energies can’t go through, crazy to say I know but who knows, They Live could be real 🤷🏾
That's a brain condition and in most cases the underlying lesion is visible on the MRI scan. I don't think there's any necessity to find esoteric explanations.
they mentioned a couple dif types of this situation, its not just 'demons ' and such, like they go into more detail about faces morphing into someone elses face.. etc wich has happend to me on ketamine a few times but it was everyones face morphing into the same face but no ones face in the room. so i guess ive had a taste of this experiance.. only mine was temporary:/ lol.
@@Synfulz. Interesting that it should happen on ketamine. Thanks for sharing.
Leave it to people who have all the scientific research at the palms of their hands to come up with their own theories based on nothing at all.
@@DoubleDraycoThat’s how people become scientists/more knowledgeable about science- asking questions. All research is experimental and often based on wild hypothesis at first. Let people imagine, to encourage their interest in science. And I actually wondered the same thing. Take this science and have Brian Greene use it to discuss perceptions of the quantum world, our need to make order out of chaos, and you have a fascinating discussion about…two theoretical areas of science 🤷🏻♀️
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