Picked up Raven at the beginning of Winter and it rejuvenated my love for t8. He is very hard to pilot at higher levels though. After playing Azucena, Zafina, Eddy, Raven is way harder to master cause he has so many more moves and they're much more situational. Like with Azucena it's a condensed gameplan, just get into stance, and there's only 2. But raven has 3 officially and 4 if you consider crouch dash. It's easy to get paralysis by analysis cause you have to remember what moves are good for what situation. The byproduct is he can be played in any style. He can rush down great, he has top tier keep out, he has good combo damage, he has a scary heat mode state, he can fish counter hits etc. The hard part is those are ALL different sets of moves and strategies.
HAZE MAY BE A PRO RAVEN PLAY BUT if you want to learn raven # 1 recommendations is immortal soul immortalxsoul for learning #2 fancy sinigang for actual styling Okis, and set up styling #3 shinobi kun for match
immortalsoul has a entire video series talking about everything of raven from punishes to gameplan to even spacing and its honestly so good. Raven is a really fun character but he is a but of a specialist like xiaoyu so if u swap to raven after playing other characters it can be daunting.
@@salihninja i can confirm imortalxsoul helped my fundamentals with raven, ngl i used to be a powercrush and low abuser lmao until i got to the point it no longer works as people are getting good with spacing and neutral.
Was looking forward to this one haha. Raven is just super fun to play. High risk high reward character. Super flashy and can be played creatively. Great video man! 😊
@@rafaeltan7426 glad the setups have been helpful for you! I usually have a pocket character in any tekken game i play but ive been having so much with Raven in t8 exploring and trying cool and silly stuff with the character i haven't dabbled with any secondary characters. He is too much fun! Hope you continue with the character!
5:26 you can manually backturn with Back + 34 Super important move to learn, you can use it to see how your opponent reacts to your stance safely. It takes 5 frames and its great for baiting people into throwing unsafe things onto your block thinking you are backturned.
this needs more attention. many ravens know to just switch with b+3+4, but new raven-trier won't know this instantly, causing people to die for no good reason
and i haven’t been on raven in a bit but was saying in the comments that db2 one of his most consistently reliable moves is like -4 meaning back 3+4 makes it -9 and safe on block
Yall be on the lookout for @shinobikun904 he is a beast with Raven competing and beating some of NAs best. It's only a matter of time before the world knows. 😊
@@usmansubhani7482 he did have a ss3 in T5 and 6 but they took it out for some odd reason along with other attacks he previously had. He feels stripped him down of some useful attacks for his SZ stance. Hopefully, as the game updates, they give him his old T6 stuff back.
5:25 your SAFEST and FASTEST way out of backturn is a manual stance cancel, b3+4. the extended back dash and parry may be cool but when you need frame tight defense against actual knowledgeable people, use b3+4. I believe from what I remember, it takes like 5f to get out of stance with the manual. Making a -4 move like db2, -9 and un-backturn punishable. This is basis of what the immortal soul will teach you
I really appreciate that you teach people the floor and don't claim to be a master expert with the character then point at people good for learning advanced stuff. Great introductory lesson!
@@The_Buff_Guy ayyyy i appreciate the kind words good sir! Your Kaz is a beast too as you came out with the dub, ggs man. If you ever want to get more Raven sets in hit me up. I'm always down to eat electrics haha. 😊
@@fancysinigang_tk dude I BARELY managed the dub. You made me work my ASS off. I’d love to get wrecked by your Raven anytime, so much fun fighting high level Raven players like you. Much love.
Also, check out ImortalXsoul, who in my opinion, is the best Raven in EU. As well as ShinobiKun, YungKuruKami, and FancySinigang who are really strong and talented NA Ravens.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING A RAVEN VID! EDIT: Also, I hope these deets help. These moves can be followed up with either FF+2, F,F+ 3 or FF+4 - (BT) 3+4 - F,3,2 (if 2 is CH it will knock them down legs up proceed with followup.) - Once you run out of heat you can only followup with F,F+4 when 1+2 hits.
When Raven is in backturn, he can actually block instantly, but you can't hold back alone. You have to hit b+3+4 to instantly switch back out of his stance and be able to block. It is an odd quirk to the character, but doing that makes his backturn stance much more annoying to deal with for the opponent. On top of that, Raven also has the benefit of one of the longest range mid pokes, his db2. It is an amazing button. It is an elbow, so beats most parry type moves, the range can be extended and have better tracking by doing it out of his crouch dash, it puts him into his dangerous backturn stance, and by using the b+3+4 to cancel backturn, you can create some hesitation from the opponent that really opens up your offense even from negative frames. Raven also has really strong defense with his keepout moves like tip range ff4, CD4, f2 string, and f3. I recommend a lot of players pick him up because he has a pretty unconventional toolkit that allows for a lot of creativity.
@genzo454 Right. Point being, nobody is going to be checking you out of your basic pokes that put you into backturn. If you're -3 or 4, which you usually are, you'll turn around in time. And for the times you're in a worse position, parry works just fine.
@@genzo454 its insanely quick. not sure of the exact startup frames but you can turn around quick enough to block incoming rage arts if your opponent uses one while your back was turned as Raven.
Playing Raven is so rewarding, every time the community put a conversation on the character. It's almost guaranteed that you'll learn something new about Raven. It's just that he's such a niche a character that these conversations are really hard to come by. I really appreciate this video as a result; being able to bring Raven topic to all the other Tekken players and hearing their thoughts on him are always refreshing and fun. Thanks Phi!
I would love for your PP videos to last a bit longer. Maybe an extended version on a second channel but I think your statements later in the Clive set rings true. It's kind of unclear why things work other than your opponents just running into your buttons. It would be great to have a longer set of games to demonstrate some of the things in an extended format so we can see more than just 3 matchups/players. Or maybe an edited version where you compile three players of unique playstyle (one very turtley, one very mashy, and one very calculated) and see how to navigate them using what you're showing us.
He went on like a 7 or 8 win streak during his Raven play. These videos are condensed down from his multi hour twitch streams and the VODs for those streams are also uploaded to his second channel. Go run his streams back and you’ll get the extended version you’re looking for.
Fun little setup that works very well against people who use jabs after df1's. Use Ravens df1, if its on block use df3 as it high crushes and you get a free ch launch if they jab :)
Finally, im shinryu/tenryu with raven im trying to main him. But ive hit a block atm lol Also fancysinigang uploads some good raven tips for combos and stuff
I can’t wait til the zafina video drops in this series. Seeing another unpopular character like raven get dissected to a base layer with a generic game plan is definitely something I’d love to see for zafina as a new tekken player who mains her. Great video as always
His heatsmash has the mid low and he can disappear into back turn or full crouch? I like the disappear into back turn because you can look back around with f4,1 from back turn. He reminds me of Eddy you flow chart and throw it on your opponent lol
If you need a good tracking move as Raven, try using his df1. It's slower than generic at i14 ~-2/3ob, but tracks both sides and can be followed up with clone for damage or pressure in heat.
Before I get into this, I just wanna say that I’d love to see go really deep with Raven lol. Your tekken IQ is high, your strategy is layered, and I feel like that could get SUPER tricky with Raven. I’ll finish this later lol
Can't wait for ninjakilla to have a breakout performance in an international tournament if that ever happens. Then we can have how to be a ninja killa lol. Great video
Ws1 is i14, for i15 that one is ws32. Ws32 is pretty much free to use when cd in heat state. For combo route that use db21, szn 32 T! you can dash in and use bt21f12.
Gamer Nemy and ImortalxSoul if you want that real Raven knowledge. As a Raven main myself I do agree that in the beginning you can get away with pressing buttons ( not like Jin, Clive and others who have strings for free 🤔) but mindful/safe strings or pokes. Very knowlege check heavy. When repeating your own strings, delay the timing will help you confirm your hits. Yeah, you might not break their guard , but you will eventually crack them with all the pokes. Poke Raven is best Raven. Then mixup Raven. He doesnt have many great or ez tools and takes maximum effort to get the bare minimal done at higher play, but damn does he look cool 😎
He's just really hard to mess with because he has a very unconventional toolkit and spends a lot of time with his back to the opponent and I think that makes people wary to try him. If they made him S tier...like Dragunov or Nina level, people might pick him more. However, he has very balanced strengths and weaknesses, and people I think would rather just play really strong characters that don't open their back up all the time. It's a shame, because he's really fun.
@@Userfound7 That is the fate of all specialist characters. Most people won't play them. However, the few that do play them, that's often one of the few characters they actually enjoy playing for extended periods.
NO NO NO...... No, people HAZE is a Pro raven BUT if YOU WANT a good learning for raven #1 is IMMortalxsoul for RAVEN framedata, setups, and updates to chsracter #2 FANCY sininggang for FUN ninja if you dont want to play average an average raven doing basic moves
Picked up Raven at the beginning of Winter and it rejuvenated my love for t8.
He is very hard to pilot at higher levels though. After playing Azucena, Zafina, Eddy, Raven is way harder to master cause he has so many more moves and they're much more situational.
Like with Azucena it's a condensed gameplan, just get into stance, and there's only 2. But raven has 3 officially and 4 if you consider crouch dash. It's easy to get paralysis by analysis cause you have to remember what moves are good for what situation.
The byproduct is he can be played in any style. He can rush down great, he has top tier keep out, he has good combo damage, he has a scary heat mode state, he can fish counter hits etc.
The hard part is those are ALL different sets of moves and strategies.
Ey FD! 🥹 Glad you’re still enjoying the game
@@FDSignifire now I get to tell people I main the same character as FD 🫡
You streaming any Raven gameplay. Saw the end of one stream but wanted to watch it all.
Glad to see you're still playing Tekken! How high have you managed to climb with Raven if you've played ranked?
@@Kuukeksi he was either at Tekken Emperor or just made Tekken God last time I watched him stream his gameplay a few weeks ago
HAZE MAY BE A PRO RAVEN PLAY BUT if you want to learn raven
# 1 recommendations is immortal soul immortalxsoul for learning
#2 fancy sinigang for actual styling
Okis, and set up styling
#3 shinobi kun for match
immortalsoul has a entire video series talking about everything of raven from punishes to gameplan to even spacing and its honestly so good. Raven is a really fun character but he is a but of a specialist like xiaoyu so if u swap to raven after playing other characters it can be daunting.
I was gonna mention immortalsoul and shinobikun but y'all beat me to it haha
Watch go attack the best Korean raven, legacy player absolute killer in t7 and previous games
Lessgoo, needed new sources
@@salihninja i can confirm imortalxsoul helped my fundamentals with raven, ngl i used to be a powercrush and low abuser lmao until i got to the point it no longer works as people are getting good with spacing and neutral.
..Is the dvd for youuuu
Brooo I haven't heard that in 10 years 😭
Damn ge changed the title smh
"I want to be neenjaaaa"
I was thinking the same thing lol
Not that song LMAO 🤣🤣
Shes my wife
Are you gonna chop Chow down?
@@sabahbubblerChow down to Chinatown? (Ninjas r Japanese btw, silly song)
Was looking forward to this one haha. Raven is just super fun to play. High risk high reward character. Super flashy and can be played creatively. Great video man! 😊
Yooo, love ur Raven montages man
@@v.m.6549ayyyy appreciate the kind words man! Raven is dope and just try to showcase it with those compilations. 😊
bro ur setups really carried me from hardstuck ganryu to raijin in a whim u r my GOAT sir. Also love that ur a filipino as well
@@rafaeltan7426 glad the setups have been helpful for you! I usually have a pocket character in any tekken game i play but ive been having so much with Raven in t8 exploring and trying cool and silly stuff with the character i haven't dabbled with any secondary characters. He is too much fun! Hope you continue with the character!
appreciate your clips, man, they keep me coming back to Raven
5:26 you can manually backturn with Back + 34
Super important move to learn, you can use it to see how your opponent reacts to your stance safely.
It takes 5 frames and its great for baiting people into throwing unsafe things onto your block thinking you are backturned.
this needs more attention. many ravens know to just switch with b+3+4, but new raven-trier won't know this instantly, causing people to die for no good reason
and i haven’t been on raven in a bit but was saying in the comments that db2 one of his most consistently reliable moves is like -4 meaning back 3+4 makes it -9 and safe on block
Hello Phidx, I upload Raven content on my channel. Imortalxsoul has awesome Raven guides as well!!!
Yall be on the lookout for @shinobikun904 he is a beast with Raven competing and beating some of NAs best. It's only a matter of time before the world knows. 😊
^^^ Amazing Raven player right here ^^^^
my king
Goat spotted
I pick up Raven and suddenly you start this series. It's like you can read my mind
I tried being a Raven main but the lack of a sidestep specific move threw me off. Ended up after bouncing around as a Victor main.
@@usmansubhani7482 he did have a ss3 in T5 and 6 but they took it out for some odd reason along with other attacks he previously had. He feels stripped him down of some useful attacks for his SZ stance. Hopefully, as the game updates, they give him his old T6 stuff back.
the ryan higa video was one of my favorites growing up, really surprised to see someone reference it almost 15 years later lmao
Bro casually mentioned peak era of youtube🙏🏻
5:25 your SAFEST and FASTEST way out of backturn is a manual stance cancel, b3+4. the extended back dash and parry may be cool but when you need frame tight defense against actual knowledgeable people, use b3+4. I believe from what I remember, it takes like 5f to get out of stance with the manual. Making a -4 move like db2, -9 and un-backturn punishable. This is basis of what the immortal soul will teach you
Now by extension you have an annoying stance engager that’s a mid and can’t be punished opening up more mental game
I really appreciate that you teach people the floor and don't claim to be a master expert with the character then point at people good for learning advanced stuff. Great introductory lesson!
Haze
Shinobikun
ImmortalXsoul
Blaq pharaoh
E.L.N
Kurokami
FancySinigang
PeeDX
Ravenboy
GamerNemy
Fought fancysinigang on ranked the other night. Best Raven I’ve ever seen. Under rated player.
@@The_Buff_Guy ayyyy i appreciate the kind words good sir! Your Kaz is a beast too as you came out with the dub, ggs man. If you ever want to get more Raven sets in hit me up. I'm always down to eat electrics haha. 😊
@@fancysinigang_tk dude I BARELY managed the dub. You made me work my ASS off. I’d love to get wrecked by your Raven anytime, so much fun fighting high level Raven players like you. Much love.
FINALLY. A big tekken creator giving Raven some recognition!
Also, check out ImortalXsoul, who in my opinion, is the best Raven in EU. As well as ShinobiKun, YungKuruKami, and FancySinigang who are really strong and talented NA Ravens.
All the Raven mains have such Raven main ass names
This is the PP I’ve been WAITING for!
I love your pp serie. Thank you so much for sharing your experiment and knowledge. That's so helpful. Thanks again for your content 🥰
I have literally just started learning Raven. Perfect timing.
Btw if you didnt know, they added an i15 launcher for him. F4 is an instant tailspin
it says it in the notes under punishers
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING A RAVEN VID!
EDIT: Also, I hope these deets help.
These moves can be followed up with either FF+2, F,F+ 3 or FF+4
- (BT) 3+4
- F,3,2 (if 2 is CH it will knock them down legs up proceed with followup.)
- Once you run out of heat you can only followup with F,F+4 when 1+2 hits.
When Raven is in backturn, he can actually block instantly, but you can't hold back alone. You have to hit b+3+4 to instantly switch back out of his stance and be able to block. It is an odd quirk to the character, but doing that makes his backturn stance much more annoying to deal with for the opponent. On top of that, Raven also has the benefit of one of the longest range mid pokes, his db2. It is an amazing button. It is an elbow, so beats most parry type moves, the range can be extended and have better tracking by doing it out of his crouch dash, it puts him into his dangerous backturn stance, and by using the b+3+4 to cancel backturn, you can create some hesitation from the opponent that really opens up your offense even from negative frames. Raven also has really strong defense with his keepout moves like tip range ff4, CD4, f2 string, and f3. I recommend a lot of players pick him up because he has a pretty unconventional toolkit that allows for a lot of creativity.
Well, b+3+4 doesn't actually turn you around instantly, it takes a few frames (4-5?)
@genzo454 Right. Point being, nobody is going to be checking you out of your basic pokes that put you into backturn. If you're -3 or 4, which you usually are, you'll turn around in time. And for the times you're in a worse position, parry works just fine.
@@genzo454 its insanely quick. not sure of the exact startup frames but you can turn around quick enough to block incoming rage arts if your opponent uses one while your back was turned as Raven.
@@genzo454 It's 5 frame yeah
How to be ninja takes me back
"And if your opponent complains about that, you laugh at them."
That's why you're the best coach in the biz
I was in the "Ask A Ninja" pipeline back in the day. But yeah, I've been waiting for this one!
Playing Raven is so rewarding, every time the community put a conversation on the character. It's almost guaranteed that you'll learn something new about Raven.
It's just that he's such a niche a character that these conversations are really hard to come by. I really appreciate this video as a result; being able to bring Raven topic to all the other Tekken players and hearing their thoughts on him are always refreshing and fun.
Thanks Phi!
Ravenboy also has a ton of ranked matches on his channel
I haven't thought about that video in so long. Way to make me feel old!
Finally a raven. I been playing raven for a while and feel like I could compete with some coaching
Yeaaaaaa knew you’d get to the ninja and couldn’t wait 🔥 best thing about the character is how differently everyone plays him
PP is my favorite. Thank you!
I would love for your PP videos to last a bit longer. Maybe an extended version on a second channel but I think your statements later in the Clive set rings true. It's kind of unclear why things work other than your opponents just running into your buttons. It would be great to have a longer set of games to demonstrate some of the things in an extended format so we can see more than just 3 matchups/players.
Or maybe an edited version where you compile three players of unique playstyle (one very turtley, one very mashy, and one very calculated) and see how to navigate them using what you're showing us.
He went on like a 7 or 8 win streak during his Raven play. These videos are condensed down from his multi hour twitch streams and the VODs for those streams are also uploaded to his second channel. Go run his streams back and you’ll get the extended version you’re looking for.
HELL YEA I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Shout-out to Ulsan for listing Raven as competent by ranking him B in his tier list.
this was wild. I tried to play raven for a week and he felt SO hard
As a Raven main im thrilled!
Great tutorial Phi.
I want to add one point: Raven's power crush can lead to a guaranteed throw on block so be carefull.
Thanks to this video I finally managed to catch whiffs with chopsticks as Raven. 10/10
Damn was just thinking about picking up raven too and here comes phidx
LFFFGGG
I LOVE RAVEN, RAHHHH‼️👹
(And PhiDX😏)
I needed this raven tech, thanks a mil
Raven is so cool i wish i could figure him out. I might try after i lock in with my basic tekken fundamentals.
I wasn't expecting that 🥷🏾
This helped a lot thank you. I personally watch immortalxsoul for Raven set ups. Nice stuff bro
Finally! Been looking forward to this episode from a fellow Raven player!❤
10:42 Context is SO IMPORTANT. 🤣
HOW TO BE NINJA will not be forgotten
This was perfect timing Phi…I was just about to pick up Raven since I struggle with the matchup 😭
Fun little setup that works very well against people who use jabs after df1's. Use Ravens df1, if its on block use df3 as it high crushes and you get a free ch launch if they jab :)
LET'S GOOO!! AND Ryan Higa mentioned just to make me feel old! We double winning bros!
Lowk i was just starting to lav him yesterday cuz i wanted to play and this comes out love u phi
Thank phidx💪🏾💪🏾👍🏾
there are so cool Raven combos!
Finally, im shinryu/tenryu with raven im trying to main him. But ive hit a block atm lol
Also fancysinigang uploads some good raven tips for combos and stuff
this series is fire btw
Raven’s so fun happy for this one
I can’t wait til the zafina video drops in this series. Seeing another unpopular character like raven get dissected to a base layer with a generic game plan is definitely something I’d love to see for zafina as a new tekken player who mains her. Great video as always
I used to play raven but didnt get far because i tried to play him more of a punisher and didnt consider playing him poky/tricky like this, thanksss
His heatsmash has the mid low and he can disappear into back turn or full crouch? I like the disappear into back turn because you can look back around with f4,1 from back turn. He reminds me of Eddy you flow chart and throw it on your opponent lol
If you need a good tracking move as Raven, try using his df1. It's slower than generic at i14 ~-2/3ob, but tracks both sides and can be followed up with clone for damage or pressure in heat.
Great video, you were great as #125.
I'm smooth brain, I just let people whiff so I get get the serotonin from launching with ff+3 into another ff+3 into...
Before I get into this, I just wanna say that I’d love to see go really deep with Raven lol. Your tekken IQ is high, your strategy is layered, and I feel like that could get SUPER tricky with Raven. I’ll finish this later lol
Kage BULLSHIT no Jutsu!
All 13 Raven players coming out in full 🔥🔥
I've been playing him, it's so cool
Phi playing my main now? Lets gooo
Can't wait for ninjakilla to have a breakout performance in an international tournament if that ever happens. Then we can have how to be a ninja killa lol.
Great video
Best Tekken teacher. Thank you
PPRAVEN!!!
We (I) need the PP-S. Shaheen my man. You're the one that can really distill the Shaheen gameplan for regular humans... 🙏🙏🙏
His unblockable is a good tool for low ranks who dont know good sidesteping yet and also just to mental stack options from the backflip
I would love to do a session with you on raven, I love this character lol
Yes yes YES ! LET'S GO!
HOW TO BE NINJA IS THE DVD FOR U!!!
I get to play against Raven's so rarely, the only one I remember fighting was someone only using special style and they kicked my ass
That Bryan must've had a friend who mains Raven xD
just a thing: i started to like your videos and opinions much more then mainman's. btw i was watching him for 3 years.
Ws1 is i14, for i15 that one is ws32.
Ws32 is pretty much free to use when cd in heat state.
For combo route that use db21, szn 32 T! you can dash in and use bt21f12.
Anybody notice the title change. Either way w vid
Hey YOU, YEAH YOU
"GOD!?"
Gamer Nemy and ImortalxSoul if you want that real Raven knowledge. As a Raven main myself I do agree that in the beginning you can get away with pressing buttons ( not like Jin, Clive and others who have strings for free 🤔) but mindful/safe strings or pokes. Very knowlege check heavy. When repeating your own strings, delay the timing will help you confirm your hits.
Yeah, you might not break their guard , but you will eventually crack them with all the pokes. Poke Raven is best Raven. Then mixup Raven. He doesnt have many great or ez tools and takes maximum effort to get the bare minimal done at higher play, but damn does he look cool 😎
Krillin's Catch phrase btw
Dammit. Didn't want any light on my character lol.
Raven can turn around by pressing b3+4 iirc you don't have to mash out of it
ImmortalxSoul was definitely the best out there in terms of Raven educational content.
Hit the ground running with his great tutorials.
I was there ... when nigahiga videos had about 1000 views.
I miss content like that
Ifk if Haze has a guide but ImmortalXsoul has a bunch of guides on Raven. He was in the end of the year vid Phi made
What note taking program does he use on the right?
This made me want to play some tekken and give raven a try
PhiDx should start referring to himself as HanateWakusoShiseoTadashiteTeriyakiSuzukiHondaCivic or "Boob" for short just for this series.
A character that lots of people hoping to come back to tekken, yet I barely see anyone use him
He's just really hard to mess with because he has a very unconventional toolkit and spends a lot of time with his back to the opponent and I think that makes people wary to try him. If they made him S tier...like Dragunov or Nina level, people might pick him more. However, he has very balanced strengths and weaknesses, and people I think would rather just play really strong characters that don't open their back up all the time. It's a shame, because he's really fun.
Same thing happened with lei in Tekken 7 where alot of people wanted him in the game but barely anyone played him
@@Userfound7 That is the fate of all specialist characters. Most people won't play them. However, the few that do play them, that's often one of the few characters they actually enjoy playing for extended periods.
No one wanted him back lmao. Even fewer people begging for him than Lei or Ganryu and we know what their pickrates were like.
NO NO NO...... No, people HAZE is a Pro raven BUT if YOU WANT a good learning for raven
#1 is IMMortalxsoul for RAVEN framedata, setups, and updates to chsracter
#2 FANCY sininggang for FUN ninja
if you dont want to play average an average raven doing basic moves
I thought he was gonna mention I want to be ninja
F to all people who not gonna be ninja, and instead have to witness the results of this guy's training instead
With the mention of Ryan Higa, are you gonna add him to your team for another sajam slam
What do ya’ll think it would do to the game if you had to build Heat each round, instead of just starting out with it???
Changee character. 😂😂
👍
Raven is probably the character I'm least interested in. But this stuff is good to know when going against him.
Why you change the title?