Qwerty1 yeah but seeing soccer lines with football lines really gets confusing whereas at MBS in Atlanta you don’t see that at Gillette Stadium there is a possibility of seeing both even before the soccer stadiums was being built
The 70’s stadiums failed because of the architecture being very bland. Many of the stadiums were very successful, most notably RFK, but most of the stadiums were too similar to one another in terms of the brutalist architecture
@@domanddev These stadiums were very similar. Here is how I'd group the multi-purpose stadiums. That is, in terms of similarities . Atlanta Fulton County Stadium (Atlanta) Riverfront Stadium (Cincinnati) Three Rivers Stadium (Pittsburgh) Busch Stadium (St. Louis) RFK Stadium (Washington) Veterans Stadium (Philadelphia) Oakland Alameda Coliseum (Oakland) Angels Stadium (Anaheim) Mile High Stadium (Denver) Joe Robbie Stadium (Miami) Jack Murphy/Qualcomm Stadium (San Diego) Astrodome (Houston) Metrodome (Minneapolis) King Dome (Seattle)
@@willp.8120 The only difference between Atlanta Fulton County Stadium and Riverfront Stadium, Three Rivers Stadium, Busch Stadium. and Veterans Stadium is Atlanta had real grass and the others had astro turf. LOL
While it is true that Baltimore help start the trend of baseball only stadiums, Kansas City was the original. Arrowhead Stadium opened in 1972 and Kauffman Stadium opened in 1973. Add a time when Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, and others were building the cookie-cutter stadiums, Kansas City was ahead of its time and built two specific stadiums, and they are still standing today. Just thought that needed to be mentioned as well…
MH: Absolutely! Was about to say the same thing. I've attended games in both, and both still look remarkably "modern." "Everything's up to date in Kansas City..."
@@SAHogan-ih3bo ...and it cost them $70 million to build two brand-new stadiums, while the mere "renovation" of Old Yankee Stadium cost New York $100 million.
@@SAHogan-ih3bo Regardless of the dollar-value of the time, you must admit, Kansas City got their money's worth. Veteran's Stadium in Philadelphia was built around the same time, and cost $63 million. Yet it was one of the worst of the cookie-cutters. Kansas City built two near-perfect stadiums, for not much more than that.
@@davidlafleche1142 Absolutely. Couldn't agree more--and both stadiums are beautiful to this day. Love seeing them from I-70 when you're approaching K.C. from the east.
In the uk these are actually starting to pick up in popularity again with new technologies that negates many of the problems such as using sliding plates at the spurs stadium which have an American football pitch underneath the football pitch. It’s really cool and allows for reliable fields for both sports
Dual-use stadiums in a nutshell be like: "I'm at the baseball field!" "I'm at the football field!" "I'm at the combination baseball field and football field!" A two for one sounds like a good deal at first, but sometimes it's too good to be true...
Forgot to mention that Kansas City was one of the few handful of cities that have had single use stadiums since the early 70s. Both stadiums were built at the same time. They only share parking lots and some underground administrative/storage areas. Still a nice arrangement.
Though dated I think Kansas City definitely did it the right way. They didn't stick it to there fan bases and demand massive billion dollar stadiums at public cost instead of private. So I view Kaufman Sports complex as a win-win. Renovated them or modernized. It's too bad more cities in the 1970's didn't try and duplicate that pattern with shared parking facilities and a smaller beautiful baseball park next door to a big huge football stadium. Would have saved a lot of money in the long run. I still think its silly for owners to want a new ballpark after only 25 years that means they didn't build it right in the 1st place. Looking at you Texas Rangers, Atlanta Braves etc.
Nice clip! I think Kansas City had it right.. They built Arrowhead, and Kaufman next to each other, built in 1972/1973. In Seattle, after we demo'd the Kingdome, something similar was built.
Royals & Arrowhead were built in a particular alignment with each other to facilitate a big arched rolling roof structure that could be moved over one or the other stadiums during inclement weather. Ultimately, the cost of the idea kept it from leaving the drawing board .
There was a time in the 1980's where you could stand on the pitchers mound in 4 different stadiums(three rivers, riverfront, busch 2 and veterans) with a blindfold on and not know which one you were in
Hell, if you weren't a sports fan, you could stand on the mound with no blindfold and not know which one you were in. Good lord, those stadiums were f'ugly.
FUN FACT: U.S. Bank Stadium is technically also a dual use Football-Baseball stadium, as in addition to the Vikings it is the winter home of the University of Minnesota baseball team.
I am a Cubs fan, and the old rivalry between the Cubs and the Cardinals had me visit the original Busch stadium twice. It was awesome! Easy to move from here to there, and it was of quality brick construction. Why is it no longer here? Because of the fact you didn't point out in the cost of the replacement fields. Somehow the greed of the major league sports met the greed of politicians and the taxpayers pay an enormous amount of the construction costs. To make the Bears happy, Daley permitted construction of sky boxes that got Soldier Field removed from the National Historic Landmark registry. Oh, and the dual stadium in Hawaii is no longer dual use as they didn't use the proper "I" beams in construction, and it rusted into its football configuration.
The most recent snow game I remember was a few years ago (maybe '14 or '15?). Philly played someone in a heavy snowfall. The snow was several inches deep on the field (might've gotten up around a foot at heaviest) and stayed that way because it kept snowing during the game. Of course that affected play; everyone much slower, people slipping, ball doing funny things, etc etc. What struck me most though, was a post-game player interview. The reporter asked about the challenge of the conditions, how hard it must've been. The guy (I don't remember who) said something along the lines of "It was great, it was like we were kids playing sandlot football again. Everybody was laughing. Most fun I've had in the NFL."
Too much risk for injury. Artificial turf might not be as fun for the fans, but all you have to do is watch footage of RGIII's knee get torn up at a muddy FedEx Field during a playoff game to understand why this is a problem.
@@danieldougan269 people need to remember that no one is forced to play sports. We're not ants that are given our destined jobs at birth. You play contact sports, shit happens. I don't care if it's more risky, it's part of the game. Football was played for decades in harsh weather. The guys we consider legend now days made it through all that. It's like NBA players crying 82 games is too much even though everyone before them had to do it and did do it. Many players complain about artificial turf and say it hurts way more to play on than regular turf. Lately snowflakes have been saying NFL should be flag football because no helmet or pads can protect the players.. AGAIN no one forces guys to be athletes. It's all part of the game.
When I went to my final A's game of the year on 9/22, I made out the yard lines and numbers on the grass. I realized I wouldn't ever see that again... and I was honestly happy, because the city of Oakland deserves better than a football team that doesn't want to be there. I'm sad for the true Oakland Raiders fans - the old guard of the Black Hole; the ones who stuck with the team during its Los Angeles stint; etc. On the whole, though, I'm happy, because the A's want to be in Oakland, and Oakland wants to have the A's. I hope head groundskeeper Clay Wood gets a well-deserved round of drinks after the final Raiders home game on 12/15.
As a lifelong A's fan and Oakland native, I never realized how badly we had it until I went to other baseball stadiums. Now that I have, I know how transformative a new ballpark experience would be for this fan base. Fuck Mount Davis.
The Baltimore thing is not in anyway new- Arrowhead Stadium (Chiefs) and Kauffman Stadium (Royals) are super close to each other(They share overflow lots) and they were built in the early 70s -
Even earlier, you had Dodger Stadium, Candlestick Park, and Angel Stadium. The latter two were originally built as baseball specific parks, but had a football team shoehorned in later. Angel Stadium smartly reverted back to a baseball only park when the Rams left LA the first time, while Candlestick soldiered on longer than it should have as an awkward multipurpose stadium, even after the Giants left for what is now Oracle Park.
@Bryan I did read it. The Indians and Cavaliers were granted new facilities while the Browns were denied because of their lease. Cleveland's big mistake was isolating Modell by denying him a stadium but building a new ballpark and arena. You can't grant one team something and deny another and expect to keep a team, especially when a city like Baltimore is ready to build a stadium as soon as a team commits to coming.
The Metrodome for baseball was ridiculous. Giant baggies for fences, stacked up seats, a roof that was the same color as the ball, and a funny looking infield... but we Twins fans loved it, and were sad to see it go. An exception to the "lack of intimacy" claim in my opinion.
Target field is gorgeous (in the summer) as a brewer fan I can’t wait to check it out. Good riddance to the metrodome. There are moments or a brief second that I miss country stadium in Milwaukee, but really I don’t. Those stadiums were all replaced for a good reason. Just be lucky you lived long enough to see them both.
Two: Oakland and Toronto. Both of them retain a multi-use layout despite the fact that in both cases the football teams have recently left or are about to leave. Hard Rock Stadium in Miami doesn’t really count because it no longer accommodates baseball after recent renovations, and it wasn’t truly multi-use to begin with so much as it was a football specific stadium in which a baseball field could be awkwardly crammed.
I think you sort of missed the what playing 10 times more games each year does to the logics around location. Smaller, more centrally-located baseball stadiums work better, whereas football stadiums still work better in the middle of a sea of parking lots adjacent to a freeway offramp.
Setting up a 60x30 yard ice rink in a 100x50 yard football field doesn't exactly qualify as duel use stadium. A lot of NHL teams share a stadium with NBA teams though.
@@caleb5944 Hockey and basketball have advantages football and baseball don't. An NBA court fits inside an NHL ice surface and is oriented the same way, and so the fans' distance from the action isn't that different between the sports. And since the surfaces are completely different (and much smaller), there's no temptation to try and cheap out and reuse one for the other.
Great video. I remember going to hard rock or pro player back in the day to see Marlins games and yea the dimensions were huge. I did see a dolphins game with the infield and it was so weird. Plus if it rained it get muddy. The nose bleeds you need the Hubble Telescope to see the game. Even the Marlins reduced seating in the last days of using pro player stadium. I think the only dual use we really need are indoor arenas for basketball and hockey.
Cleveland having a mistake of a stadium like the Cleveland Stadium is very fitting for the mistake on the lake. Friendly reminder this is the same city that had a RIVER on fire and a complete disaster of an event called Balloonfest that polluted waterways and led to people drowning because Coast Guard couldn't find them due to all the balloons
The good old days! It was kind of cool when NFL games had fields with baseball diamonds marked out. I imagine the sandy parts would be softer to land on after a tackle!
That was the 70s. Baltimore started the modern style of stadiums. Kansas City still has the old style of stadiums, they are just single use. Kaufman is a no frills park, Arrowhead is probably the same. I haven't been inside Arrowhead.
The company that built Camden Yard is basically building most if not all baseball only stadiums. They are the best stadiums to experience overall (aside from the crazy old history places which you just feel when youre there). Like hate all you want on the Marlins but the park experience is amazing (if for now you take the actual team performance away) I'm sure it's like that for any new stadium. Cause the experience in Tampa is awful.
In the sense of 'purpose' building, yes, KC was the first city to separate their baseball and football teams. Baltimore (Camden Yards) was obviously built just for baseball, but it also was the first of the 'baseball only' stadiums, that incorporated the 'throw back' look of the 1920's in their design. Royal Stadium is built for the period it was built, the 70's. And guess what? Of course there's murmurs of wanting a new stadium. Why? Corporate boxes, etc., and just the human trait of wanting 'something new'. Maybe a new stadium with of course all the advances made in the environmentally correct efficiency areas, would be as good an argument for a new stadium as corporate needs. (private boxes). Now, if they start talking about demolishing the baseball stadiums in Cleveland and Baltimore, then we have greed and spoiled fan base in those cities. Tweak them yes, remodel them yes, retrofit them yes, but demolish and build new?,....Not!
Actually, the Patriots were the first NFL team since the merger to build a football-only stadium: Schaefer Stadium (1971). And they got no taxpayer funding.
So many teams have some of their best years and moments tied in to dual use stadiums though... The Phillies 3 World Series trips and 1 win, Cincinatti Reds and "The Big Red Machine", The 70's Pittsburgh Pirates teams, The Steelers "Steel Curtain" era and 4 Super Bowl wins, 1980's St Louis Cardinals teams and "Whitey Ball" etc....All these teams played their home games in multi purpose stadiums To just write off dual use stadiums as "Concrete donuts" is dismissive and ignores a lot of great history and awesome moments for these teams and their fanbases imo...
@@davidlafleche1142 I'd have to disagree with that somewhat because that look is exactly what the Reds wanted at the time.....Bob Howsam wanted the stadium to look super clean and modern..and it did...It did not look tacky like some of the others...The original Tall Dark Green outfield wall with the wide yellow stripe on top was completely symmetrical and no advertising was allowed by the Reds on that wall in the 70s.Part of that was also the "futuristic at the time" addition in the early years of metric distances being included under the Distance in feet..In my opinion The worst stadium was Atlanta Fulton County Stadium, followed by Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh .. I think Riverfront was better than both...From the outside the stadium was majestic as it gets, far more so than Great American Ball Park.. or Paul Brown Stadium . Yes the amenities of both are better on the inside, however they are not 1 billion dollars plus interest better...especially after they took out the outfield section of Riverfront to make room for Great American...I think they even went to real grass before they tore it down, and, if not. they could have...For 50 to 100 million they could have made the place very nice..which is a far better deal for the city being that the stadium was still relatively young. Riverfront had a winning and historical aura about it that neither Paul Brown or Great American have. The 70s Reds were arguably one of the greatest teams in baseball history and the 80s Bengals went to 2 Super Bowls. The teams that have occupied the new stadiums have for the most part been lousy from day 1. The outfield wall in the corners of Great American needs either to be raised higher, or moved back because it's one of the shortest and closest in the majors and because the Reds have never been known as a team loaded with pitchers that could keep the ball inside a normal park, let alone this one...Its going to be hard to keep any quality pitchers long term in such a park. If Wrigley and Fenway can be saved, then for sure Riverfront could have been saved..Its hard to believe but Paul Brown and Great American are within a decade now of being as old as Riverfront was when they tore it down...And what do they have now..A Destroyed aura of winning history and a Billion plus of borrowed debt... In retrospect, it was a bad deal in my view...It doesn't make sense to spend almost 30 times the amount they spent on Riverfront and then watch the total trips through the turnstiles decrease by 50%
@@JKillackey62183 Couldn't agree more..All of these new stadium deals were outrageously overpriced and overly burdensome on the finances of the various cities for what they got in return...Spending just 1/10 of that money on the existing stadiums would have been a far more sound decision and their incredible history would have been preserved also... I dont care what anyone says, the old stadiums were a big part of the heyday of sports in general back then..Despite the massive deficit spending on these new stadiums, the interest in Football or Baseball today isn't even half of what it was in the old stadiums.
Basically it comes down to this: team owners want(ed) their own stadium and hold cities hostage with ‘we use taxes to pay for our new stadium or we leave town’. ANY other reason listed in this video finishes a waaaaaay distant second.
Exactly...this is why Oakland is still in its current scenario, the fans wont pay, and the A's have not found anyone to foot the bill for a new one.And Why the raiders left.
@@jon8342 They're trying to stay in Oakland on the waterfront north of Jack London Square. Unfortunately it's almost impossible to build anything in the Bay Area. Even getting housing approved is a fucking nightmare
The best dual use staium - Shea! Two World Series and one Super Bowl champ. Seriously, Shea had this feature where the entire lower deck coudl be rearranged. This made it spectuacular for mostly Mets fans (and Jets fans while they were there). If the entire crowd either stamped one foot or swayed in rythm, you could make the whole thing resonate and bounce. Fun!
Yup, I think it was 1975 when they were renovating Yankee Stadium. Actually wasn't bad; back then, live people meant more than TV. Yankees and Mets were never home at the same time; neither were the Jets and Giants. I do recall some gymnastics in September with Sunday games.@@99dndd
They actually work better, mainly because there is MUCH less of a difference in size and shape - okay, maybe more of a difference in size. Also, switching over from hockey to basket ball is not as time consuming or labour intensive as MLB to NFL and visa-versa. Yes, there have been some arenas where humidity and other factors tended to produce 'soft' ice issues when the seasons overlapped. But from what I've heard over the years, FAR fewer problems with the arenas then with the stadiums.
@@davegreenlaw5654 Except when the arena was built for basketball exclusively. Then you have the disaster that was the Barclay Center when you try to shoehorn in hockey.
For player safety, it has been said that due to how the infield is treated for NFL games, it was like playing tackle football on the streets due to how hard it was.
ForeverRanger 91 I know that was true for Three Rivers winch was build and was step up to mostly host Pittsburgh Steelers home games because during a Pittsburgh Pirates home back on July 4th or 5th 1999 Jason Kendall broke his ankle when it got caught in the first baseline rug trying to beat a infield bunt and was out for of that season the injury was so bad it is on a lot of top 10 worse/most devastating injures in Baseball history list.
Look Joe Roby built a stadium for baseball and football. But it wasn’t until 1993 when a MLB team started playing there. But as you know the Orange Bowl was torn down that had been infested with rats and cockroaches. For the Marlins Park. Now if only the owners would put a team together that the Miami residents would go to is another issue.
Triple Digitz27 Now that this season is over for them (105 losses), they can say goodbye to Starlin Castro and Brian Anderson. The two players on the team with more than 60 RBIs and 20 HRs who will probably get traded for table scraps and cash to pay the bills.
I kept on waiting for you to mention the Astrodome, but then I realized it wasn't dual use, but triple use counting the Rodeo, and given the size of the rodeo here, it's like a season of a sport condensed into a couple months.
"Disrespectful to both sports." The world has gone insane. All I got out of this is that women should buy an electric razor called manscape or something. Maybe its good for a smooth butt.
I remember seeing the Reds switch from Crosley Field to Riverfront stadium in May of 1970, which made me wonder, was it awkward to switch stadiums mid-season? Like you're getting used to one set of dimensions for your home, then have to play in new ones. Either way, another fun video.
8:40 Actually, what is now called Hard Rock Stadium (site of the Super Bowl in 2020) was also built with private funds. Joe Robbie had the money to buy the land and build it (and his name originally was on it) it too was dual-use, it could be converted to baseball (obviously it was designed for football) then Miami built a baseball stadium for the Marlins.
The operating costs of constantly converting these venues into different configurations for each sport and/or other conventions had to pile up over the years as well. Maintaining on-site construction crews to do this every year would've eventually made it to where these ugly, lifeless venues were only draining the resources of the tenants they housed. Paying workers; maintaining on-site engineers to oversee the transitions; and enduring functional machines such as cranes and track loaders is not a cheap endeavor. The continued costs of converting these facilities into different configurations must also be taken into consideration as well. The increased wear and tear these venues took on need not be overlooked either. If you have one stadium serving two different sports fanbases, you're also speeding up it's demise due to the increased burden these structures are having placed on them on a year round basis. There's only so much concrete can endure before crumbling and chipping away. You're only accelerating it's half life by wearing out these venues year-in, year-out, without a rest in order to meet the demand of separate fanbases.
I might venture to say that for a time at least, SkyDome bucked this trend...the way it was designed, it was (relatively) easy to switch between sports, and still had pretty good sightlines for both baseball and football. The turf question was and is always sort of a thing (though Toronto was promised real grass a few years ago when the Argos moved out and never got it), but even today it's not a bad place to catch a ball game. Decent sightlines in basically every seat (not to mention it's not to get tickets these days!) No, it doesn't have a panache of Wrigley or Fenway, or the fake old-looks of Camden Yards and some of the other newer parks, but for a dual use stadium I feel like it was one of the better ones. Plus the roof is cool.
Great (and hilarious) video. I remember watching opening day at New Comiskey (US Cellular Field) Park on TV back around ‘91 when I was a kid, and the announcers gushed about it. Everyone thought it looked awesome as a “modern” design to follow the run-down old park. But it still had the sterile multi-purpose gray concrete and bright plastic-seats appearance. Then, Camden Yards showed up a year or so later, and everything else was immediately obsolete. By that point, the media would only talk about how steep and dangerous the upper deck at Comiskey was. Then Jacobs Field and Rangers Park opened, and it was all over for dual-purpose stadiums. It was a game-changer that affected two professional sports.
I agree with you on all your points about the second Comiskey Park (now Guaranteed Rate Field) except one. It has never been a multi-purpose facility (though it may look like one). The White Sox have been its only tenant and the ballpark was built only for them. Its problems stem from cramming the luxury boxes under the upper deck, leading to the super-steep climb to reach the topmost seats. It's not a bad facility, but it does lack the character of the original Comiskey Park.
@@josephoshea1442 Sorry about that - I meant stadiums like Three Rivers, Riverfront, Busch, and Veterans, which had similar “modern” structural architecture similar to the new Comiskey (lots of exposed concrete, steep upper decks, etc.). Re-reading my original post, I can see where I made it seem like I characterized Comiskey as a dual-use stadium. I grew up in Pittsburgh and, after Camden Yards was built, Three Rivers went from this awesome structure we all loved to one that everyone hated, almost overnight. Sorry about the confusion in my original post.
Yet ironically both Turner Field and Globe Life (the Ballpark at Arlington) now both have football games played in them; even Marlins Park and- at one time -Tropicana Field both host yearly college football games.
For folks interjecting "what about KC" regarding his Baltimore discussion, the segment was called "Trend Setting". Being 25 years prior to the others who did it puts you ahead of the curve (KC), but not setting a trend (BAL). In fact, he goes out of his way to say that Baltimore really did nothing special, and that circumstance mostly fueled their outcome.
The Metrodome at one time was to five teams in three sports at one time plus holding events like monster trucks. Concerts, wrestling and the state tournaments for many sports. I'd say it did well for 33 years. Hosted a superbowl, an all star game and 2 world series.
And to think that the Coliseum was rated one of the best MLB stadiums in the mid 80s (after the Raiders left the first time). The Raiders returning and building Mt. Davis is what ruined it, along with age.
The Houston Astrodome was absolutely a success. The scoreboard light show with cowboy shooting, bull with flags on horns...it was a completely original show when a homerun was hit. Seats were way more comfortable and more leg room than Minute Maid Park.
Watching this makes me realize that I’m part of a dying breed. A fan that actually has always gone to the game for, well, THE GAME! Frankly, I’ve never really given much of a sheeet about the venue and never really thought about it until these owners started telling me how important it was.
I mean, the game is the most important part, but to say that a well designed stadium has no influence I can't agree with. The difference between the atmosphere at a stadium specially designed for Football where the crowd is close to the field on every side makes the noise that much better. Multi use stadiums have the issue of sounding dull in comparison due to how far away most of the crowd is.
bfure1 Don’t misunderstand my post. I’m not saying I don’t prefer a nice venue. Heck, I just saw the Alabama v Duke game at Mercedes Benz stadium in Atlanta and was totally blown away by the place. My point is that it’s not a deal breaker for me like it is to some. More and more fans seem to need all these bells and whistles to enjoy the game experience and that’s fine, that’s their business, I’m just not one of them. When I’m at a big game rooting on my team the last thing on my mind is how nice the place is but as I said, that’s just me. If others feel different that’s their business
Joeylawn36111 Again. I get all that. I’m just saying for me it’s not a factor. All things being equal sure I’d prefer a beautiful, modern venue. I’m just saying it will have no effect on my attendance. I speak only for myself. If you feel different, that’s fine.
Rogers Centre in Toronto still has professional football (CFL, Tor Argonauts) and MLB (Blue Jays). The only reason this may be relevant is the size of the CFL field being noticeably larger than a NFL pitch. That surface has also played host to the occasional Buffalo Bills games in the past as well.
Interesting events and quirks that multi-purpose stadiums had: RFK Stadium had unstable bleacher seating so fans could jump in rhythm and cause the whole area to bounce Shea Stadium had a wooden outfield wall, causing multiple player injuries until 1988 Shea was also built near LaGuardia Airport which caused multiple game interruptions for noisy takeoffs and landings Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium never had full-time groundkeepers and relied on municipal street maintenance crew until 1989 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum had a sewage backup in 2013 that leaked into the clubhouse level of the stadium The Astrodome groundkeepers dressed as astronauts and kept the AstroTurf clean with vacuum cleaners between innings Riverfront Stadium was built on the old 2nd Street tenements, the birthplace and boyhood home of Roy Rogers Busch Memorial Stadium had one of the hottest playing surfaces in the MLB with temperatures well above local official readings Three Rivers Stadium initially used "Gamesaver vacuum vehicles" to dry the surface, but was then replaced by an underground drainage system Veterans Stadium had many gaps and seams on their playing surface, leading to the nickname "Field of Seams" (it was essentially playing on concrete) The Kingdome's ceiling collapsed in 1994 after pressure washing the roof caused tiles to fall onto the field The Metrodome's right field wall was known as the Baggie because of its plasticity Angel Stadium was originally a baseball-only stadium, enclosed itself to have the Rams play there, then demolished the outfield seats to make it baseball-only again Candlestick Park was known to have bad wind conditions even before construction started, but then Giants owner Horace Stoneham didn't want to build the stadium on a fill 100 yards northeast with better conditions because it would've been less stable during an earthquake (how ironic) Mile High Stadium almost had no flaws with its structure (good job Denver) Cleveland Stadium was home to Red Right 88, The Drive, Indians during the 70s and 80s, and Art Modell moving the Browns to Baltimore Memorial Stadium had the ultimate fuck you in 1984 We do not talk about Jack Murphy Stadium because fuck Dean Spanos
The Astrodome has been declared a historical landmark. It will never be torn down. However, the round ramps to get into the Dome were imploded by order of Harris County. (Go figure) and Harris County auctioned off all of the Astrodome seats to the highest bidders. Now, if Harris County was smart, they could turn the Dome into a brand new Houston Texans practice facility similar to what The Dallas Cowboys have in Frisco. The Pokes use the facility during the week but during football season let The Frisco HS teams use it as their home field on Friday/Saturday. If Houston would do this, The tax payer would get his money back on this deal easy.
Correct. And the firm HOK Sport Event (now Populous) that designed Camden Yards of Baltimore is headquartered in... Kansas City. So, the genesis of the 2-stadium sports complex *and* the retro era style were *both* conceived in _Kansas City._
I'm seeing a lot of Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium. Great example of the field condition thing. After every football season, motocross came through and tore up the field in February, and they had a month to get ready for baseball. The Braves weren't great during this era. The Georgia Dome opened for the 1990-91 football season, and motocross went indoors. The Braves went from worst to the world series in '91, and having the field in shape contributed quite a bit to that.
Nice video. For the time when most of these multi use stadiums were built , they had served the purpose they needed to well. I had been to the King Dome more then I could remember now for a lot of events. The "WAVE" was very encompassing when done. Go Seahawks , Mariners and other teams.
Yes but not the Retro Classic parks that would take over in the 90's and 00's. Not anything against KC but most modern stadiums were modeled after Camden Yards.
@@randomtraveler9854 I think part of Joseph Poole's larger point is that the genesis of *both* the 2-stadium in one sports complex concept, *and* the retro era style you mentioned, were *each* conceived in Kansas City. As mentioned at 6:00 this video, the Ballpark at Camden Yards was designed by _HOK Sport Venue Event_ (now Populous), whose world headquarters is located in... *Kansas City, Missouri.*
@@davidlafleche1142 I literally just "wasted" twenty seconds to Google the top speed of a Model T. They can apparently get between 40-45 miles an hour (depending on the build year).
@@davidlafleche1142 Who said it had to be driven on the highway? I see them all the time going to the grocery store or car shows or just out for a Sunday cruise. One looks like it was just built, even though it is 100 years old.
In Seattle the Sonics talked the city into assuring there could be no NHL in the remodeled Key Arena. A decade later the Sonics didn't like the Key so they demand the city remodel it again. The taxpayers said hell no so the NBA left. Now the nhl wants in so it's being remodeled again partly at taxpayer expense but it's got to be configured for nba too just incase they ever decide they want to come back
One potential problem is that the basketball floor has to be removable. It’s possible that a conversion crew worker installs a floor board wrong, and a mishap occurs during a game, causing a player to get injured.
I don't see that as big a problem though, hell you have 3 teams in Staples Center and its fine. The only real issue (that I know of) was the Islanders coming to the Barclays Center. They really fucked up on that one because I believe one side of the ice you can't even see if you happen to be sitting on that end. Literally cannot see below you, so if the play is on that end of the ice, tough luck, gotta look at the screen. Which, by the way, isn't even centered properly for hockey. It sits off to the right side of the ice (facing the logo). Such poor planning with that. There is a reason why they are moving back to Nassau Coliseum.
There's a reason why the surface at Gillette Stadium was changed from Grass to FieldTurf, and it has a lot to do with the wear and tear from the Soccer and football games played on the surface.
That’s partially incorrect, in 1989 in the final preseason game the Pats lost Garin Veris, Andre Tippett and Ronnie Lippett to season ending injuries that all involved the turf being basically concrete. The Sullivans had gone into financial ruins because they put the stadium up for collateral as part in investing in the riddled with problems and unsuccessful money wise , Jackson’s “Victory Tour”. Causing what was a glorified high school field to become an absolute dump. Enter Kiam and his quick exit(thankfully), followed by place holder James Orthwien Busch (who wasn’t going to sink a dime into the place. It wasn’t till Bob Kraft who owned the racetrack (which is the current location of Gillette) bought the place for almost nothing that any repairs started to happen.
With soccer gaining in popularity in America I feel like and makes the most sense to have those two sports in duel use. The Atlanta falcons and Atlanta United playing a purpose-built soccer / football dual stadium and it works great with next to no downsides.
It's worth noting that several MLB "baseball only stadiums have hosted soccer or football: Yankee Stadium Whatever they call the D-Backs stadium SF's stadium St Pete / Rays The new Braves stadium Miami (I think?) Fenway Wrigley Toronto St Louis The Angels stadium The now "old" Rangers stadium. And the Vikings stadium was designed to host high school and college baseball early in the season. And let's not forget that the Atlanta Olympic stadium was originally a track stadium that was converted to a baseball stadium and has now been converted to a college football stadium. In fact, many of the recent MLB stadiums are designed to accommodate a football/soccer field. They just aren't designed with a rectangle field to be the primary use. So, it's not that there aren't any dual use stadiums anymore. There just aren't any MLB/NFL shared stadiums anymore. It just doesn't work for either league. There's more to consider than just a bunch of seats around a patch of grass.
I saw Three Rivers Stadium imploded in 2001. We got there about three in the morning (about four hours before it was destroyed. Lots of drunk around us on a Sunday morning. We voted against building two new stadiums and a new arena several times. We got them anyways.
I was there too. Do you remember the contest they had to choose who got to push the plunger and blow it up?😂 I wanted to win that so bad when I was a kid lol. I also remember it being absolutely freezing outside.
Three Rivers actually wasn't bad compared to other cookie-cutter stadiums of that era. The transformation from football to baseball (and vice versa) was among the easiest (especially compared to the Oakland Coliseum). For a cookie-cutter stadium, the sightlines at old Three Rivers was also decent. And Three Rivers was one of the loudest venues - especially when the Steelers were playing. BUT The Burgh now has some crown jewel venues - especially PNC Park.
Now the pirates thanks to horrible ownerships with McClatchy and nutting the pirates won’t do a thing in the best ballpark in America. Some our saying now they shouldn’t have gotten the stadium built for the pirates,
The first city with 2 stadiums in the same location was Kansas City - Arrowhead and Kaufman were built at the same time in essentially a giant shared parking lot. It was supposed to have a giant rolling roof that could move between stadiums but it was determine to be unfeasible from an engineering/cost prospective. That is why the Arizona Cardinals stadium actually moves the field outside to grow real grass. Cheaper to move the field than the entire building.
Denver's original Mile High Stadium had an ingenious triple-deck, 9 million pound stadium section that could be moved in or out 145' to accommodate both sports. It was renowned for getting fans right up close to their Broncos, but it wasn't actually all that bad for baseball either. The Rockies played their first two seasons there (before moving to purpose-built Coors Field) and set a single season MLB home attendance record of over 4.4 million that stands to this day.
1. rent prices and dealing with an ego driven stadium owner. 2. teams want their own space. 3. easier to schedule according to that team specific league. 4. ownership of a stadium 5. Having the right amount of seats instead of dealing with too many extra seats
I remember watching padres games and charger games at Qualcomm growing up. Shared stadiums are total trash. Qualcomm is a terrible venue and it was emphasized when Petco was built.
Your full of shit.i attended many Padres and charger's games at then San Diego stadium. Sight lines made it a mediocre baseball venue I'll agree..but those same sight lines made it one of the best places to watch football anywhere in the U.S.
Francesco Avila dude Qualcomm smells like shit. The place was dilapidated and flooded bad if it rained hard. If you think Qualcomm is anything less than shit, you’ve never been to a nice stadium.
Commenting this on every new Five points upload until he does worst high school football stadium (not hurrying you up or anything Five Points this is just a meme)
@@evangel1460 My HS alma mater moved from mid-city Buffalo to the suburbs in the early 50s so they could have enough land for athletic facilities. Our arch-rival is still in the city, but they recently opened their own football field, in suburban West Seneca.
That cancelled preseason game was the Hall of Fame Game at Canton, and it had nothing to do with baseball because no one plays baseball at that stadium. It was the result of a mishap with painting the yard lines and the fresh paint being too slippery.
I still maintain that old Busch stadium is one of the best looking stadiums made. I like a nice simple symmetrical baseball diamond. And let's not forget the Astrodome, still sitting proudly in dereliction over 20 years after being replaced by Reliant Stadium and Minute Made Park.
Most of them were actually quite successful by just about every metric, EXCEPT that transforming from baseball to football wasn't exactly seamless. Moving between basketball and hockey is still quite common and can be accomplished in just two or three hours I spent a good part of my early sports writing career covering a LOT of events at the very first one, RFK Stadium in Washington, and in several others down the road. For several years, I worked for the AP, and when one covers sports for a wire service, whatever comes through town is part of the beat, so there were many occasions when I would be stuck at a place like the old Capital Centre (which was essentially as close to the middle of nowhere as one could be in a major metro area) between a Georgetown basketball game on a Saturday afternoon, a Capitals hockey game that same night - and often the following afternoon - and then a Bullets basketball game that night. After filing a story, there would be little else to do but go sit in the stands and watch the changeover process, but I digress NONE of them was a failure in terms of their stated intent, which was to provide LOW-COST venues for fans to watch their favorite sports in relative comfort. They were NEVER intended to be the "palaces" that they have become today All but a handful stadiums and arenas are mostly PUBLICLY owned, meaning that you and me - the taxpayer - pays to build, operate, maintain AND - when needed - repair or even rebuild them. It's literally a handful: you can count them on the fingers of both hands and still have several fingers left over ALL that most teams - the tenant - pay for is rent, and many of them line up like pigs at a trough to get their cuts of parking, concessions and even to develop property around these facilities (which they also DON'T own) Multipurpose facilities were the only way that cash-strapped communities could afford to host professional sports franchises, before someone rolls out the old argument that stadiums and arenas are good for their local economies, forget it Numerous studies show that economic development does NOT follow construction of stadiums and arenas, and that the ONLY positive impact comes from irregular seasonal employment that neither pays living wages nor increases the tax base enough to be worth the overall MUNICIPAL investment, and that hosting a professional sports franchise is largely a VANITY enterprise and not a financially viable one I've included a link to a fairly recent one here: news.stanford.edu/2015/07/30/stadium-economics-noll-073015/
I'm gonna miss dual purpose stadiums I know this is all subjective, but I'm gonna remember dual use stadiums more fondly than a lot of fans. It was so cool seeing the painted grid-iron + numbers over the pitchers mound and dirt basepaths of the baseball infields. I remember after Miami got the Marlins in 1993 they shared Joe Robbie stadium with the Dolphins and sometimes the Patriots would play the Dolphins on the road in Miami, the dirt from the Marlins infield would get the Patriots and Dolphins players uniforms filthy from all the mud lol. Great memories and nostalgia...
I miss the dual use stadiums. I'm a Mets fan and I can tell you many of the old New York Jets have fond memories of playing in Shea Stadium. That being said the Mets did the Jets dirty back then. The Mets didn't want football games played at Shea until after baseball season ended because football games tear up a field more than baseball does. So most seasons the Jets would play their fist 3 or 4 games on the road. 1969 & 1973 the Mets went to the World Series. In 1969 the Jets played their first 5 games on the road because of it. In 1973 the Jets played their first 6 games on the road and only ended up playing 6 home games in a 14 game season. That's why the Jets finally got out of Shea Stadium.
Great, I show this video to my 8 year old daughter about these stadiums and she gets to see a over 1 minute sponsor ad with cuss words about the joys of "Manscaping". Dude, no wonder you dont have more subscribers.
The Metrodome in Minneapolis didn’t “fail”. It didn’t even need to be replaced. Some gov officials merely thought the city/state could spend twice as much building two separate stadiums while family members could buy cheap -and then sell for a good profit- the properties around it.
maybe..I saw a Twins game there..U.S. Bank Stadium is more modern and has nicer suites..I miss seeing Big Ten and Minnesota Golden Gopher football games at the HHH Metrodome on TV..💺🏈🚜📺🤣
magnificent video. well researched, and nicely presented. i grew up watching the kingdome being put up, and saw the first mariners, then seahawks games played there. it is where they park attending the new ones now. nice
You didn't happen to mention that for the longest time Wrigley was a multipurpose stadium. The Bears played in Wrigley until the 70s. Even one of the end zones literally ended inside of a dugout. Illinois and Northwestern also played a game there in 2010. They used a different layout but one of the end zones ended against the brick wall so they agreed to have offenses go the opposite way of that end zone the whole game.
Soldier Field (1924) and Lambeau Field (1957). Next oldest is Arrowhead, opened 1972. Except for those, New Era (1973), the Superdome (1975), and Hard Rock Stadium (1987), the rest were all built after 1995.
@@35mm21 I agree, I was waiting for a little bit about dual use stadiums that were beloved and ripped from the hearts of fans unwillingly. Camden Yards is great and all, but nobody wanted to be rid of Memorial. Not to mention calling what the colts did "abandoning" the stadium, considering the city sued for ownership of the team to prevent them from leaving, and the prick owner moved them out in the middle of the night to avoid losing a court battle.
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Because we didn’t pay $150 to see somebody get a first down on second base.
meanwhile in Japan they score touchdowns on homeplate.
Been2 All50 going for Touchrun or Home Down lolol
I didn't mind, I always got a kick out of watching the centerfielder crash into the goalpost
The only baseball stadium that actually worked for football was Fenway Park.
Never been to Oakland but even on TV It was miserable to watch because it's just a bad look. Why is the field split in half by multiple sports.
The 1970's multi use stadiums failed because nobody manscaped in the 1970's
I can’t stop laughing. But it’s probably a valid point.
Yes, nobody could get any work done having manscraped themselves the previous night.
... and you guys wear girl pants. The future is doomed?!!!?
Ron Jeremy is to thank.
Men and Women
“One sad city, and one sad stadium”
*shows Cleveland stadium*
Never have I been so offended by something I 100% agree with.
Butttt what about o.co?
Was It Worse Than "Bottlegate"?
To quote a wise man in regards to Cleveland stadium “you are a factory of sadness I’ll see you Sunday”
At least you're not Detroit. Lol
As much as it was awful, I still have fond memories of freezing my nuts off on the bleacher seats in the dawg pound. Go Browns
Soccer and Football stadiums work though cause same large rectangle shape.
Qwerty1 yeah but seeing soccer lines with football lines really gets confusing whereas at MBS in Atlanta you don’t see that at Gillette Stadium there is a possibility of seeing both even before the soccer stadiums was being built
Those aren't dual-sport stadiums because soccer isn't a sport.
FireMarshallStev yes it is even pro wrestling is a sport lol
Sebastian Huth oh shit 😅
FireMarshallStev basketball and hockey have dual sport stadium
The 70’s stadiums failed because of the architecture being very bland. Many of the stadiums were very successful, most notably RFK, but most of the stadiums were too similar to one another in terms of the brutalist architecture
Yo honestly I said “oh hey that’s the vet” so many times in this video before realizing it was a different stadium lol
@@domanddev These stadiums were very similar. Here is how I'd group the multi-purpose stadiums. That is, in terms of similarities .
Atlanta Fulton County Stadium (Atlanta)
Riverfront Stadium (Cincinnati)
Three Rivers Stadium (Pittsburgh)
Busch Stadium (St. Louis)
RFK Stadium (Washington)
Veterans Stadium (Philadelphia)
Oakland Alameda Coliseum (Oakland)
Angels Stadium (Anaheim)
Mile High Stadium (Denver)
Joe Robbie Stadium (Miami)
Jack Murphy/Qualcomm Stadium (San Diego)
Astrodome (Houston)
Metrodome (Minneapolis)
King Dome (Seattle)
RFK was successful cuz the senators left, giving the redskins the field
@@willp.8120 The only difference between Atlanta Fulton County Stadium and
Riverfront Stadium, Three Rivers Stadium, Busch Stadium. and Veterans Stadium is Atlanta had real grass and the others had astro turf. LOL
RFK was very good in the 60s and 70s that is not failure...
Kansas City has been doing it right for 50 years. 2 stadiums, one parking lot
It's a pity they never built that "rolling roof."
That would be a sight for sure.
So both stadiums eat poop? I think I’m mixing 2 videos together. 2 stadiums one cup
Arrowhead is not a great stadium. It basically looks like the old Giants Stadium, which was shit
I mean it helps that the Royals season is usually done by the time football season rolls around and I say this as a royals fan
While it is true that Baltimore help start the trend of baseball only stadiums, Kansas City was the original. Arrowhead Stadium opened in 1972 and Kauffman Stadium opened in 1973. Add a time when Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, and others were building the cookie-cutter stadiums, Kansas City was ahead of its time and built two specific stadiums, and they are still standing today.
Just thought that needed to be mentioned as well…
MH: Absolutely! Was about to say the same thing. I've attended games in both, and both still look remarkably "modern." "Everything's up to date in Kansas City..."
@@SAHogan-ih3bo ...and it cost them $70 million to build two brand-new stadiums, while the mere "renovation" of Old Yankee Stadium cost New York $100 million.
DL: Of course we're also talking 70s $ in the case of KC's stadia.
@@SAHogan-ih3bo Regardless of the dollar-value of the time, you must admit, Kansas City got their money's worth. Veteran's Stadium in Philadelphia was built around the same time, and cost $63 million. Yet it was one of the worst of the cookie-cutters. Kansas City built two near-perfect stadiums, for not much more than that.
@@davidlafleche1142 Absolutely. Couldn't agree more--and both stadiums are beautiful to this day. Love seeing them from I-70 when you're approaching K.C. from the east.
is it possible for me to watch a sports vid without hearing about someones junk?
TGSGAMER360 nah
if you want to pay for all the content you watch
@@JuanRodriguez-mr8ql tbh i'd rather watch free content
Just fast forward through it like the rest of us
Other channels plug the sponsors *AFTER* the content of each video. At least the ones I subscribe to, anyway.
In the uk these are actually starting to pick up in popularity again with new technologies that negates many of the problems such as using sliding plates at the spurs stadium which have an American football pitch underneath the football pitch. It’s really cool and allows for reliable fields for both sports
the difference there is that both pitches are still rectangles
Dual-use stadiums in a nutshell be like:
"I'm at the baseball field!"
"I'm at the football field!"
"I'm at the combination baseball field and football field!"
A two for one sounds like a good deal at first, but sometimes it's too good to be true...
Forgot to mention that Kansas City was one of the few handful of cities that have had single use stadiums since the early 70s. Both stadiums were built at the same time. They only share parking lots and some underground administrative/storage areas. Still a nice arrangement.
Though dated I think Kansas City definitely did it the right way. They didn't stick it to there fan bases and demand massive billion dollar stadiums at public cost instead of private. So I view Kaufman Sports complex as a win-win. Renovated them or modernized. It's too bad more cities in the 1970's didn't try and duplicate that pattern with shared parking facilities and a smaller beautiful baseball park next door to a big huge football stadium. Would have saved a lot of money in the long run. I still think its silly for owners to want a new ballpark after only 25 years that means they didn't build it right in the 1st place. Looking at you Texas Rangers, Atlanta Braves etc.
They didn't fail. They worked in their time. But their time has passed.
Right.
I guess they just needed to make a video.
I guess that's a nice way of saying we were stupid.
they served their purpose very well.
@Costa Zambaras It depends on perspective. In the California Bay Area, Candlestick (49ers) and the Colisseum (Raiders) lasted decades.
Nice clip! I think Kansas City had it right.. They built Arrowhead, and Kaufman next to each other, built in 1972/1973. In Seattle, after we demo'd the Kingdome, something similar was built.
Royals & Arrowhead were built in a particular alignment with each other to facilitate a big arched rolling roof structure that could be moved over one or the other stadiums during inclement weather. Ultimately, the cost of the idea kept it from leaving the drawing board .
Philadelphia’s stadium’s are all right next to each other
Skip the first 2 minutes.
You're welcome.
@@soshsi At that mark the ad is still going. Bad joke or bad at counting?
Why? I got to see some nice ass
But I like the girls
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When I was little, I loved playing Madden football at a stadium that was also a baseball field.
Yes thought I was the only one!!!
Same. This is why I loved playing with Miami and Oakland in season mode back then.
Candlestick Park!
Was awesome having the dirt Infield on the football field.
The Vet!
There was a time in the 1980's where you could stand on the pitchers mound in 4 different stadiums(three rivers, riverfront, busch 2 and veterans) with a blindfold on and not know which one you were in
Is it because they were so similar? Asking because I'm not a baseball fan and have NEVER been to those stadiums.
@@evangel1460 yes. the term for them were "cookie cutter" all 4 had massive seating and astroturf
@@evangel1460 basically someone just hit copy and paste when designing them.
Hell, if you weren't a sports fan, you could stand on the mound with no blindfold and not know which one you were in. Good lord, those stadiums were f'ugly.
Yep cookie cutter staduims were cities way of going cheap.
What about Kansas City? Our stadiums were both built in the early 70s. During the peak of the dual purpose era. And are both still standing.
Because Kansas City was somewhat forward-thinking and decided to build two dedicated stadiums next to each other.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Arrowhead Stadium undergo a massive renovation?
@@kevinyang6254 Yes. Just like most remaining stadiums of its age (e.g. Lambeau Field, New Era Field, etc.)
Kevin Yang yeah
Kansas City only had the whole western half of Missouri in which to build. Certainly a factor.
Nobody:
Five points: “B-I-C-T-H!”
Edit: thanks for the likes! Time stamp is 9:19 for those wondering
Actually it was B-I-A-C-T-H but I’m glad someone else noticed. When I saw that I immediately went to the comments to see if someone else noticed.
ArmadilloLover99 I know it was biacth but the reference is a bit different
I guess these nobody and no one memes will go over my head forever. 🤷♂️
@@TheLegendfrom205 Who from what?
FUN FACT:
U.S. Bank Stadium is technically also a dual use Football-Baseball stadium, as in addition to the Vikings it is the winter home of the University of Minnesota baseball team.
I am a Cubs fan, and the old rivalry between the Cubs and the Cardinals had me visit the original Busch stadium twice. It was awesome! Easy to move from here to there, and it was of quality brick construction. Why is it no longer here? Because of the fact you didn't point out in the cost of the replacement fields. Somehow the greed of the major league sports met the greed of politicians and the taxpayers pay an enormous amount of the construction costs. To make the Bears happy, Daley permitted construction of sky boxes that got Soldier Field removed from the National Historic Landmark registry. Oh, and the dual stadium in Hawaii is no longer dual use as they didn't use the proper "I" beams in construction, and it rusted into its football configuration.
More real grass in football is needed. I miss watching muddy games and snow games
The most recent snow game I remember was a few years ago (maybe '14 or '15?). Philly played someone in a heavy snowfall. The snow was several inches deep on the field (might've gotten up around a foot at heaviest) and stayed that way because it kept snowing during the game. Of course that affected play; everyone much slower, people slipping, ball doing funny things, etc etc. What struck me most though, was a post-game player interview. The reporter asked about the challenge of the conditions, how hard it must've been. The guy (I don't remember who) said something along the lines of "It was great, it was like we were kids playing sandlot football again. Everybody was laughing. Most fun I've had in the NFL."
Too much risk for injury. Artificial turf might not be as fun for the fans, but all you have to do is watch footage of RGIII's knee get torn up at a muddy FedEx Field during a playoff game to understand why this is a problem.
@@cragnamorra that's awesome!
@@danieldougan269 people need to remember that no one is forced to play sports. We're not ants that are given our destined jobs at birth. You play contact sports, shit happens. I don't care if it's more risky, it's part of the game. Football was played for decades in harsh weather. The guys we consider legend now days made it through all that. It's like NBA players crying 82 games is too much even though everyone before them had to do it and did do it. Many players complain about artificial turf and say it hurts way more to play on than regular turf. Lately snowflakes have been saying NFL should be flag football because no helmet or pads can protect the players.. AGAIN no one forces guys to be athletes. It's all part of the game.
I remember Shady McCoy saying he likes snow games because the ground is softer than when it’s just cold and feels like concrete
When I went to my final A's game of the year on 9/22, I made out the yard lines and numbers on the grass. I realized I wouldn't ever see that again... and I was honestly happy, because the city of Oakland deserves better than a football team that doesn't want to be there.
I'm sad for the true Oakland Raiders fans - the old guard of the Black Hole; the ones who stuck with the team during its Los Angeles stint; etc. On the whole, though, I'm happy, because the A's want to be in Oakland, and Oakland wants to have the A's.
I hope head groundskeeper Clay Wood gets a well-deserved round of drinks after the final Raiders home game on 12/15.
well said
I hope the A's stadium proposal is legit. Not an NBA fan ,so i don't care about Warriors going across the bay.
Not a A’s fan but do like the new stadium that the A’s are getting
As a lifelong A's fan and Oakland native, I never realized how badly we had it until I went to other baseball stadiums. Now that I have, I know how transformative a new ballpark experience would be for this fan base.
Fuck Mount Davis.
Do you guys think that the Raiders name should remain in Oakland and the team itself get renamed once they move to Vegas?
“Why you bang my dad” tf lol
what is it from, need to know for "scientific purposes" hurr hurr
@@user-73a Its just a stock video www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-1021985851?irgwc=1&Affiliate&Amarelo%20s.r.o.&
I'm a dad and there's no way I'm banging that.
The Baltimore thing is not in anyway new- Arrowhead Stadium (Chiefs) and Kauffman Stadium (Royals) are super close to each other(They share overflow lots) and they were built in the early 70s -
Even earlier, you had Dodger Stadium, Candlestick Park, and Angel Stadium. The latter two were originally built as baseball specific parks, but had a football team shoehorned in later. Angel Stadium smartly reverted back to a baseball only park when the Rams left LA the first time, while Candlestick soldiered on longer than it should have as an awkward multipurpose stadium, even after the Giants left for what is now Oracle Park.
It was basically new, it hasn't happened in 20 years lol
2019: "We're rich! Stadiums for everybody!"
2020: "Oh god...we shouldn't have build two billion dollar stadiums."
Cleveland used the same one for over 60 years while it seemed like every other city was building new ones every 20 years
@@kdwaynec And lost the Browns as a result
@Bryan I did read it. The Indians and Cavaliers were granted new facilities while the Browns were denied because of their lease. Cleveland's big mistake was isolating Modell by denying him a stadium but building a new ballpark and arena. You can't grant one team something and deny another and expect to keep a team, especially when a city like Baltimore is ready to build a stadium as soon as a team commits to coming.
The Metrodome for baseball was ridiculous. Giant baggies for fences, stacked up seats, a roof that was the same color as the ball, and a funny looking infield... but we Twins fans loved it, and were sad to see it go. An exception to the "lack of intimacy" claim in my opinion.
Target field is gorgeous (in the summer) as a brewer fan I can’t wait to check it out. Good riddance to the metrodome. There are moments or a brief second that I miss country stadium in Milwaukee, but really I don’t. Those stadiums were all replaced for a good reason. Just be lucky you lived long enough to see them both.
Riley Berggren - Also, the Vikings had priority except for the World Series, requiring some scheduling quirks.
However for 37 years of Minnesota gophers college football they moved due to it not having good attendance and lacking a college campus atmosphere.
"why you bang my Dad?"!!!!!! LMAO
Dude, I lost it when I saw that!
That short-haired girl is FINE. I wouldn't even be mad lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm dying to know the source of that clip!
@@NEPats79 I'm pretty that was just hilaruous text placed on stock footage.
In 2020, there will be one muti-purpose stadium left. It’s just that it will only be used for baseball.
Kenny Louis actuly I heard that the As are getting a new stadium
Two Miami’s stadium is still standing
Two: Oakland and Toronto. Both of them retain a multi-use layout despite the fact that in both cases the football teams have recently left or are about to leave. Hard Rock Stadium in Miami doesn’t really count because it no longer accommodates baseball after recent renovations, and it wasn’t truly multi-use to begin with so much as it was a football specific stadium in which a baseball field could be awkwardly crammed.
kurtis johnson BMO FIELD has 2 teams playing there.
Now Soldier field will be a multi purpose stadium. Chicago Bears and the Chicago Fire. An MLS soccer team
“Ok an interesting video, I’ll watch”
*talks about junk*
*ok*
I think you sort of missed the what playing 10 times more games each year does to the logics around location. Smaller, more centrally-located baseball stadiums work better, whereas football stadiums still work better in the middle of a sea of parking lots adjacent to a freeway offramp.
"Our addiction to bread and circuses..." Dam Son, that's some straight up David Copperfield stuff right there.
I've been of this opinion for many years now.
I've never been a fan of dual use stadiums. However, I did one time see a Chicago Blackhawks vs Penguins game at Soldier Field. It was pretty cool.
ReigningRavens I love the outdoor games .. I’ve never been to one, but my god they look good on TV.
Setting up a 60x30 yard ice rink in a 100x50 yard football field doesn't exactly qualify as duel use stadium. A lot of NHL teams share a stadium with NBA teams though.
@@caleb5944 Hockey and basketball have advantages football and baseball don't. An NBA court fits inside an NHL ice surface and is oriented the same way, and so the fans' distance from the action isn't that different between the sports. And since the surfaces are completely different (and much smaller), there's no temptation to try and cheap out and reuse one for the other.
Winter Classic doesn't count. It's a hockey game that's always played in an outdoor stadium.
Soldier Field is ugly. They should have renovated the old place.
Great video. I remember going to hard rock or pro player back in the day to see Marlins games and yea the dimensions were huge. I did see a dolphins game with the infield and it was so weird. Plus if it rained it get muddy. The nose bleeds you need the Hubble Telescope to see the game. Even the Marlins reduced seating in the last days of using pro player stadium. I think the only dual use we really need are indoor arenas for basketball and hockey.
Cleveland having a mistake of a stadium like the Cleveland Stadium is very fitting for the mistake on the lake. Friendly reminder this is the same city that had a RIVER on fire and a complete disaster of an event called Balloonfest that polluted waterways and led to people drowning because Coast Guard couldn't find them due to all the balloons
The good old days! It was kind of cool when NFL games had fields with baseball diamonds marked out. I imagine the sandy parts would be softer to land on after a tackle!
It wasn’t Baltimore that started it. it was Kansas city with Royal stadium (Kaufman) and arrowhead.
That was the 70s. Baltimore started the modern style of stadiums. Kansas City still has the old style of stadiums, they are just single use. Kaufman is a no frills park, Arrowhead is probably the same. I haven't been inside Arrowhead.
The company that built Camden Yard is basically building most if not all baseball only stadiums. They are the best stadiums to experience overall (aside from the crazy old history places which you just feel when youre there).
Like hate all you want on the Marlins but the park experience is amazing (if for now you take the actual team performance away)
I'm sure it's like that for any new stadium. Cause the experience in Tampa is awful.
In the sense of 'purpose' building, yes, KC was the first city to separate their baseball and football teams. Baltimore (Camden Yards) was obviously built just for baseball, but it also was the first of the 'baseball only' stadiums, that incorporated the 'throw back' look of the 1920's in their design. Royal Stadium is built for the period it was built, the 70's. And guess what? Of course there's murmurs of wanting a new stadium. Why? Corporate boxes, etc., and just the human trait of wanting 'something new'. Maybe a new stadium with of course all the advances made in the environmentally correct efficiency areas, would be as good an argument for a new stadium as corporate needs. (private boxes). Now, if they start talking about demolishing the baseball stadiums in Cleveland and Baltimore, then we have greed and spoiled fan base in those cities. Tweak them yes, remodel them yes, retrofit them yes, but demolish and build new?,....Not!
Actually, the Patriots were the first NFL team since the merger to build a football-only stadium: Schaefer Stadium (1971). And they got no taxpayer funding.
The Reds and Bengals had their best seasons playing in the old Riverfront Stadium.
Riverfront was the most "vanilla" of the cookie-cutters, with absolutely no distinguishing architectural element.
So many teams have some of their best years and moments tied in to dual use stadiums though...
The Phillies 3 World Series trips and 1 win, Cincinatti Reds and "The Big Red Machine", The 70's Pittsburgh Pirates teams, The Steelers "Steel Curtain" era and 4 Super Bowl wins, 1980's St Louis Cardinals teams and "Whitey Ball" etc....All these teams played their home games in multi purpose stadiums
To just write off dual use stadiums as "Concrete donuts" is dismissive and ignores a lot of great history and awesome moments for these teams and their fanbases imo...
And now both teams suck in really nice stadia! 😁
@@davidlafleche1142 I'd have to disagree with that somewhat because that look is exactly what the Reds wanted at the time.....Bob Howsam wanted the stadium to look super clean and modern..and it did...It did not look tacky like some of the others...The original Tall Dark Green outfield wall with the wide yellow stripe on top was completely symmetrical and no advertising was allowed by the Reds on that wall in the 70s.Part of that was also the "futuristic at the time" addition in the early years of metric distances being included under the Distance in feet..In my opinion The worst stadium was Atlanta Fulton County Stadium, followed by Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh .. I think Riverfront was better than both...From the outside the stadium was majestic as it gets, far more so than Great American Ball Park.. or Paul Brown Stadium .
Yes the amenities of both are better on the inside, however they are not 1 billion dollars plus interest better...especially after they took out the outfield section of Riverfront to make room for Great American...I think they even went to real grass before they tore it down, and, if not. they could have...For 50 to 100 million they could have made the place very nice..which is a far better deal for the city being that the stadium was still relatively young.
Riverfront had a winning and historical aura about it that neither Paul Brown or Great American have. The 70s Reds were arguably one of the greatest teams in baseball history and the 80s Bengals went to 2 Super Bowls.
The teams that have occupied the new stadiums have for the most part been lousy from day 1. The outfield wall in the corners of Great American needs either to be raised higher, or moved back because it's one of the shortest and closest in the majors and because the Reds have never been known as a team loaded with pitchers that could keep the ball inside a normal park, let alone this one...Its going to be hard to keep any quality pitchers long term in such a park.
If Wrigley and Fenway can be saved, then for sure Riverfront could have been saved..Its hard to believe but Paul Brown and Great American are within a decade now of being as old as Riverfront was when they tore it down...And what do they have now..A Destroyed aura of winning history and a Billion plus of borrowed debt...
In retrospect, it was a bad deal in my view...It doesn't make sense to spend almost 30 times the amount they spent on Riverfront and then watch the total trips through the turnstiles decrease by 50%
@@JKillackey62183 Couldn't agree more..All of these new stadium deals were outrageously overpriced and overly burdensome on the finances of the various cities for what they got in return...Spending just 1/10 of that money on the existing stadiums would have been a far more sound decision and their incredible history would have been preserved also...
I dont care what anyone says, the old stadiums were a big part of the heyday of sports in general back then..Despite the massive deficit spending on these new stadiums, the interest in Football or Baseball today isn't even half of what it was in the old stadiums.
Basically it comes down to this: team owners want(ed) their own stadium and hold cities hostage with ‘we use taxes to pay for our new stadium or we leave town’. ANY other reason listed in this video finishes a waaaaaay distant second.
Exactly...this is why Oakland is still in its current scenario, the fans wont pay, and the A's have not found anyone to foot the bill for a new one.And Why the raiders left.
Big Ragu
That happened in Cincinnati and look at their sports teams 😂😂
Chargers and Rams.
BINGO! It all started when the Colts packed up and left town in the middle of the night...
This is what happened to the SuperSonics too.. Bs that Billionaires make people pay for it
Now that the Raiders are gone the A's should remove Mt. Davis!
A's might leave Oakland
@@jon8342 pffff you mean like they said they would every year for the past 20 years? And Mt. Davis should definitely go.
@@jon8342 They're trying to stay in Oakland on the waterfront north of Jack London Square. Unfortunately it's almost impossible to build anything in the Bay Area. Even getting housing approved is a fucking nightmare
I feel like the money they'd spend on removing Mt. Davis would be better to save for the building of a new venue entirely.
The best dual use staium - Shea! Two World Series and one Super Bowl champ. Seriously, Shea had this feature where the entire lower deck coudl be rearranged. This made it spectuacular for mostly Mets fans (and Jets fans while they were there). If the entire crowd either stamped one foot or swayed in rythm, you could make the whole thing resonate and bounce. Fun!
Didn’t the Mets, Jets, Giants and Yankees all play at Shea 1 year? Scheduling must have been fun…
Yup, I think it was 1975 when they were renovating Yankee Stadium. Actually wasn't bad; back then, live people meant more than TV. Yankees and Mets were never home at the same time; neither were the Jets and Giants. I do recall some gymnastics in September with Sunday games.@@99dndd
I'd love to see a compare/contrast video between dual purpose NFL/MLB stadia and dual purpose NHL/NBA arenas.
They actually work better, mainly because there is MUCH less of a difference in size and shape - okay, maybe more of a difference in size. Also, switching over from hockey to basket ball is not as time consuming or labour intensive as MLB to NFL and visa-versa.
Yes, there have been some arenas where humidity and other factors tended to produce 'soft' ice issues when the seasons overlapped. But from what I've heard over the years, FAR fewer problems with the arenas then with the stadiums.
@@davegreenlaw5654 Except when the arena was built for basketball exclusively. Then you have the disaster that was the Barclay Center when you try to shoehorn in hockey.
For player safety, it has been said that due to how the infield is treated for NFL games, it was like playing tackle football on the streets due to how hard it was.
ForeverRanger 91 I know that was true for Three Rivers winch was build and was step up to mostly host Pittsburgh Steelers home games because during a Pittsburgh Pirates home back on July 4th or 5th 1999 Jason Kendall broke his ankle when it got caught in the first baseline rug trying to beat a infield bunt and was out for of that season the injury was so bad it is on a lot of top 10 worse/most devastating injures in Baseball history list.
It’s funny how Marlins have more people who believe in Ponzi scheme attend more than their actual fans to the stadium
That place is a funding disaster, that could have only been approved by crooked politicians.
Its cuz marlins fans aren’t stupid enough to actually watch a bad team
Look Joe Roby built a stadium for baseball and football. But it wasn’t until 1993 when a MLB team started playing there. But as you know the Orange Bowl was torn down that had been infested with rats and cockroaches. For the Marlins Park. Now if only the owners would put a team together that the Miami residents would go to is another issue.
Triple Digitz27 Now that this season is over for them (105 losses), they can say goodbye to Starlin Castro and Brian Anderson. The two players on the team with more than 60 RBIs and 20 HRs who will probably get traded for table scraps and cash to pay the bills.
Nicholas Gauthier they will probably trade castro, anderson is just 26 he will be good for the next 5 years
I kept on waiting for you to mention the Astrodome, but then I realized it wasn't dual use, but triple use counting the Rodeo, and given the size of the rodeo here, it's like a season of a sport condensed into a couple months.
And the funny thing. Is it was the Rodeo in Houston saying it wanted a new stadium that got the city behind replacing the Astrodome.
"Disrespectful to both sports." The world has gone insane.
All I got out of this is that women should buy an electric razor called manscape or something. Maybe its good for a smooth butt.
When you realize he spelled stadums instead of stadiums😂
And BIACTH instead of BIATCH
He manscaped the i.
When you realized you spelt spelled instead of spelt
Hyprel When you realize: he was probably American and that’s the correct way to spell it in American English
Hyprel Spelt is a grain and unless he’s British or Australian, the proper spelling is “spelled”
Dean Spanos: since we suck now I guess, we’re going to move to some cheap stadium in LA.
StubHub Center: Oh boy! This is my chance!
Drams O'Scotch no one cares about soccer
Drams O'Scotch no one cares about you or your imaginary friends
unop aplsdn Well if you cared enough to reply to Drams O'Scotch than I guess you're wrong no one cares now right?
@Ithaca Thats been said now, for over 30 years. Still chasing down MLB, NFL, NBA & NHL. :-)
I remember seeing the Reds switch from Crosley Field to Riverfront stadium in May of 1970, which made me wonder, was it awkward to switch stadiums mid-season? Like you're getting used to one set of dimensions for your home, then have to play in new ones.
Either way, another fun video.
8:40 Actually, what is now called Hard Rock Stadium (site of the Super Bowl in 2020) was also built with private funds. Joe Robbie had the money to buy the land and build it (and his name originally was on it) it too was dual-use, it could be converted to baseball (obviously it was designed for football) then Miami built a baseball stadium for the Marlins.
The operating costs of constantly converting these venues into different configurations for each sport and/or other conventions had to pile up over the years as well. Maintaining on-site construction crews to do this every year would've eventually made it to where these ugly, lifeless venues were only draining the resources of the tenants they housed. Paying workers; maintaining on-site engineers to oversee the transitions; and enduring functional machines such as cranes and track loaders is not a cheap endeavor.
The continued costs of converting these facilities into different configurations must also be taken into consideration as well. The increased wear and tear these venues took on need not be overlooked either. If you have one stadium serving two different sports fanbases, you're also speeding up it's demise due to the increased burden these structures are having placed on them on a year round basis. There's only so much concrete can endure before crumbling and chipping away. You're only accelerating it's half life by wearing out these venues year-in, year-out, without a rest in order to meet the demand of separate fanbases.
I might venture to say that for a time at least, SkyDome bucked this trend...the way it was designed, it was (relatively) easy to switch between sports, and still had pretty good sightlines for both baseball and football. The turf question was and is always sort of a thing (though Toronto was promised real grass a few years ago when the Argos moved out and never got it), but even today it's not a bad place to catch a ball game. Decent sightlines in basically every seat (not to mention it's not to get tickets these days!) No, it doesn't have a panache of Wrigley or Fenway, or the fake old-looks of Camden Yards and some of the other newer parks, but for a dual use stadium I feel like it was one of the better ones. Plus the roof is cool.
Not only that, but you also got the occasional peep show in the outfield. 🤣🤣🤣
Kansas City was decades ahead of Baltimore. All my Cardinals friends would give credit where credit was due, Royals Stadium was way better than Busch.
Great (and hilarious) video. I remember watching opening day at New Comiskey (US Cellular Field) Park on TV back around ‘91 when I was a kid, and the announcers gushed about it. Everyone thought it looked awesome as a “modern” design to follow the run-down old park. But it still had the sterile multi-purpose gray concrete and bright plastic-seats appearance. Then, Camden Yards showed up a year or so later, and everything else was immediately obsolete. By that point, the media would only talk about how steep and dangerous the upper deck at Comiskey was. Then Jacobs Field and Rangers Park opened, and it was all over for dual-purpose stadiums. It was a game-changer that affected two professional sports.
I agree with you on all your points about the second Comiskey Park (now Guaranteed Rate Field) except one. It has never been a multi-purpose facility (though it may look like one). The White Sox have been its only tenant and the ballpark was built only for them. Its problems stem from cramming the luxury boxes under the upper deck, leading to the super-steep climb to reach the topmost seats. It's not a bad facility, but it does lack the character of the original Comiskey Park.
@@josephoshea1442 Sorry about that - I meant stadiums like Three Rivers, Riverfront, Busch, and Veterans, which had similar “modern” structural architecture similar to the new Comiskey (lots of exposed concrete, steep upper decks, etc.). Re-reading my original post, I can see where I made it seem like I characterized Comiskey as a dual-use stadium. I grew up in Pittsburgh and, after Camden Yards was built, Three Rivers went from this awesome structure we all loved to one that everyone hated, almost overnight. Sorry about the confusion in my original post.
@@michaelandcolinspop Thank you for the clarification.
Yet ironically both Turner Field and Globe Life (the Ballpark at Arlington) now both have football games played in them; even Marlins Park and- at one time -Tropicana Field both host yearly college football games.
For folks interjecting "what about KC" regarding his Baltimore discussion, the segment was called "Trend Setting". Being 25 years prior to the others who did it puts you ahead of the curve (KC), but not setting a trend (BAL). In fact, he goes out of his way to say that Baltimore really did nothing special, and that circumstance mostly fueled their outcome.
The Metrodome at one time was to five teams in three sports at one time plus holding events like monster trucks. Concerts, wrestling and the state tournaments for many sports. I'd say it did well for 33 years. Hosted a superbowl, an all star game and 2 world series.
"Oakland-Alameda County is such a dump I don't think I'll play there anymore." - Vontaze Burfict, Sept. 29, 2019.
And to think that the Coliseum was rated one of the best MLB stadiums in the mid 80s (after the Raiders left the first time). The Raiders returning and building Mt. Davis is what ruined it, along with age.
They failed because of one easy reason.....
They just wanted to get in a FPV vid
Edit: had to fix my typing and thx FVP for the heart😃👋🏾
Long live Fives stadium fetish
@@McAdvertisement my typing looks so bad😂 but i got a heart so i guess it was worth it
But long live FVP stadium fettish
But you don’t have a heart
@@amannazeeri6429 once given, if you then edit said statement, the heart goes away...
@@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520 oh well i had it
The Houston Astrodome was absolutely a success. The scoreboard light show with cowboy shooting, bull with flags on horns...it was a completely original show when a homerun was hit. Seats were way more comfortable and more leg room than Minute Maid Park.
It's still standing. It's been declared a National Historical Landmark.
Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh was cool.
I had attended Pirate and Steeler games many times during the 70s. Loved that stadium!
I went there once only for the Pirates and its fine .
The steel under the fans feet gave Three Rivers a great feel. Otherwise, it was a cookie cutter ash tray like the three others like it.
I never went there
6:59 Kaufmann and Arrowhead Stadiums have been next to each other since 1973.
Camden Yards was revolutionary, but now it’s the home for terrible pitching.
In the time it took you to type that, 50 more home runs were given up by the Orioles pitching staff.
Watching this makes me realize that I’m part of a dying breed. A fan that actually has always gone to the game for, well, THE GAME! Frankly, I’ve never really given much of a sheeet about the venue and never really thought about it until these owners started telling me how important it was.
I mean, the game is the most important part, but to say that a well designed stadium has no influence I can't agree with.
The difference between the atmosphere at a stadium specially designed for Football where the crowd is close to the field on every side makes the noise that much better.
Multi use stadiums have the issue of sounding dull in comparison due to how far away most of the crowd is.
bfure1 Don’t misunderstand my post. I’m not saying I don’t prefer a nice venue. Heck, I just saw the Alabama v Duke game at Mercedes Benz stadium in Atlanta and was totally blown away by the place. My point is that it’s not a deal breaker for me like it is to some. More and more fans seem to need all these bells and whistles to enjoy the game experience and that’s fine, that’s their business, I’m just not one of them. When I’m at a big game rooting on my team the last thing on my mind is how nice the place is but as I said, that’s just me. If others feel different that’s their business
Joeylawn36111 Again. I get all that. I’m just saying for me it’s not a factor. All things being equal sure I’d prefer a beautiful, modern venue. I’m just saying it will have no effect on my attendance. I speak only for myself. If you feel different, that’s fine.
Rogers Centre in Toronto still has professional football (CFL, Tor Argonauts) and MLB (Blue Jays). The only reason this may be relevant is the size of the CFL field being noticeably larger than a NFL pitch. That surface has also played host to the occasional Buffalo Bills games in the past as well.
Russ Warren argos no longer play in rogers :(
Interesting events and quirks that multi-purpose stadiums had:
RFK Stadium had unstable bleacher seating so fans could jump in rhythm and cause the whole area to bounce
Shea Stadium had a wooden outfield wall, causing multiple player injuries until 1988
Shea was also built near LaGuardia Airport which caused multiple game interruptions for noisy takeoffs and landings
Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium never had full-time groundkeepers and relied on municipal street maintenance crew until 1989
Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum had a sewage backup in 2013 that leaked into the clubhouse level of the stadium
The Astrodome groundkeepers dressed as astronauts and kept the AstroTurf clean with vacuum cleaners between innings
Riverfront Stadium was built on the old 2nd Street tenements, the birthplace and boyhood home of Roy Rogers
Busch Memorial Stadium had one of the hottest playing surfaces in the MLB with temperatures well above local official readings
Three Rivers Stadium initially used "Gamesaver vacuum vehicles" to dry the surface, but was then replaced by an underground drainage system
Veterans Stadium had many gaps and seams on their playing surface, leading to the nickname "Field of Seams" (it was essentially playing on concrete)
The Kingdome's ceiling collapsed in 1994 after pressure washing the roof caused tiles to fall onto the field
The Metrodome's right field wall was known as the Baggie because of its plasticity
Angel Stadium was originally a baseball-only stadium, enclosed itself to have the Rams play there, then demolished the outfield seats to make it baseball-only again
Candlestick Park was known to have bad wind conditions even before construction started, but then Giants owner Horace Stoneham didn't want to build the stadium on a fill 100 yards northeast with better conditions because it would've been less stable during an earthquake (how ironic)
Mile High Stadium almost had no flaws with its structure (good job Denver)
Cleveland Stadium was home to Red Right 88, The Drive, Indians during the 70s and 80s, and Art Modell moving the Browns to Baltimore
Memorial Stadium had the ultimate fuck you in 1984
We do not talk about Jack Murphy Stadium because fuck Dean Spanos
The Astrodome has been declared a historical landmark. It will never be torn down. However, the round ramps to get into the Dome were imploded by order of Harris County. (Go figure) and Harris County auctioned off all of the Astrodome seats to the highest bidders. Now, if Harris County was smart, they could turn the Dome into a brand new Houston Texans practice facility similar to what The Dallas Cowboys have in Frisco. The Pokes use the facility during the week but during football season let The Frisco HS teams use it as their home field on Friday/Saturday. If Houston would do this, The tax payer would get his money back on this deal easy.
Five Points: Enjoy your nachos.
Me: How did he know I was eating nachos? 😐
Kansas City has separate stadiums for baseball and football way before Baltimore
Correct. And the firm HOK Sport Event (now Populous) that designed Camden Yards of Baltimore is headquartered in... Kansas City. So, the genesis of the 2-stadium sports complex *and* the retro era style were *both* conceived in _Kansas City._
"Bread & Circus". That flew over the head of 99% of those watching this vid! Nice bro!
I'm seeing a lot of Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium. Great example of the field condition thing. After every football season, motocross came through and tore up the field in February, and they had a month to get ready for baseball. The Braves weren't great during this era. The Georgia Dome opened for the 1990-91 football season, and motocross went indoors. The Braves went from worst to the world series in '91, and having the field in shape contributed quite a bit to that.
Nice video. For the time when most of these multi use stadiums were built , they had served the purpose they needed to well. I had been to the King Dome more then I could remember now for a lot of events. The "WAVE" was very encompassing when done. Go Seahawks , Mariners and other teams.
He gives Baltimore credit but the KC Chiefs and Royals played in their own stadiums in the 70s.
Yes but not the Retro Classic parks that would take over in the 90's and 00's. Not anything against KC but most modern stadiums were modeled after Camden Yards.
@@randomtraveler9854 I think part of Joseph Poole's larger point is that the genesis of *both* the 2-stadium in one sports complex concept, *and* the retro era style you mentioned, were *each* conceived in Kansas City. As mentioned at 6:00 this video, the Ballpark at Camden Yards was designed by _HOK Sport Venue Event_ (now Populous), whose world headquarters is located in... *Kansas City, Missouri.*
I loved dual stadiums. I always thought it was cool seeing the infield while watching football. I always wanted to play on one
Football players hated it. It's hard to run on a muddy infield. Baseball players didn't like playing on a grass field torn up by football.
I liked hearing the baseball announcer say, "[The outfielder] catches it on the 20-yard line!"
Damn they fail 😥
My dream was to put the Dolphins and Marlins in the same stadium so they share the misery
Along the same line then: why did the Model T fail, I never see them on the road anymore.
The Model T would be illegal to drive, since it couldn't sustain the minimum speed of 45 MPH on a highway.
@@davidlafleche1142 I literally just "wasted" twenty seconds to Google the top speed of a Model T. They can apparently get between 40-45 miles an hour (depending on the build year).
@@davidlafleche1142 Who said it had to be driven on the highway? I see them all the time going to the grocery store or car shows or just out for a Sunday cruise. One looks like it was just built, even though it is 100 years old.
It’ll be a while until the basketball-hockey dual use ends, if ever.
In Seattle the Sonics talked the city into assuring there could be no NHL in the remodeled Key Arena. A decade later the Sonics didn't like the Key so they demand the city remodel it again. The taxpayers said hell no so the NBA left. Now the nhl wants in so it's being remodeled again partly at taxpayer expense but it's got to be configured for nba too just incase they ever decide they want to come back
One potential problem is that the basketball floor has to be removable. It’s possible that a conversion crew worker installs a floor board wrong, and a mishap occurs during a game, causing a player to get injured.
I don't see that as big a problem though, hell you have 3 teams in Staples Center and its fine. The only real issue (that I know of) was the Islanders coming to the Barclays Center. They really fucked up on that one because I believe one side of the ice you can't even see if you happen to be sitting on that end. Literally cannot see below you, so if the play is on that end of the ice, tough luck, gotta look at the screen. Which, by the way, isn't even centered properly for hockey. It sits off to the right side of the ice (facing the logo). Such poor planning with that. There is a reason why they are moving back to Nassau Coliseum.
as long as the arena’s built with hockey in mind it’ll be fine. barclays wasn’t
Us San Diegans still trying to get rid of Qualcomm. My dad stopped watching the NFL after they took the Chargers away
I understand. I did the same when Raiders and Rams left in the same year. Sorry we stole the Chargers back. They belong to San Diego.
Californians vote for every other tax except stadium taxes as is the case in Oakland and SD.
There's a reason why the surface at Gillette Stadium was changed from Grass to FieldTurf, and it has a lot to do with the wear and tear from the Soccer and football games played on the surface.
That’s partially incorrect, in 1989 in the final preseason game the Pats lost Garin Veris, Andre Tippett and Ronnie Lippett to season ending injuries that all involved the turf being basically concrete.
The Sullivans had gone into financial ruins because they put the stadium up for collateral as part in investing in the riddled with problems and unsuccessful money wise , Jackson’s “Victory Tour”.
Causing what was a glorified high school field to become an absolute dump.
Enter Kiam and his quick exit(thankfully), followed by place holder James Orthwien Busch (who wasn’t going to sink a dime into the place. It wasn’t till Bob Kraft who owned the racetrack (which is the current location of Gillette) bought the place for almost nothing that any repairs started to happen.
With soccer gaining in popularity in America I feel like and makes the most sense to have those two sports in duel use. The Atlanta falcons and Atlanta United playing a purpose-built soccer / football dual stadium and it works great with next to no downsides.
Jacob Prue Benson having been to both types of games there, that place is tremendously underrated.
Jacob Prue Benson Arthur Blank was successful
@ 6:11, "Wait, the Orioles did something right????"
That's a low-blow. I still love my boys. Go O's!!
Gus Mason memorial stadium will always have a special place in my heart.
@@rsears78: Yep, same here. I'm a die-hard O's fan....
I love the orioles especially the mascots I love poe, and the Oriole bird!
“Once again this shitpile has been standing for 60 plus years.”
Argument won.
It's worth noting that several MLB "baseball only stadiums have hosted soccer or football:
Yankee Stadium
Whatever they call the D-Backs stadium
SF's stadium
St Pete / Rays
The new Braves stadium
Miami (I think?)
Fenway
Wrigley
Toronto
St Louis
The Angels stadium
The now "old" Rangers stadium.
And the Vikings stadium was designed to host high school and college baseball early in the season.
And let's not forget that the Atlanta Olympic stadium was originally a track stadium that was converted to a baseball stadium and has now been converted to a college football stadium.
In fact, many of the recent MLB stadiums are designed to accommodate a football/soccer field. They just aren't designed with a rectangle field to be the primary use.
So, it's not that there aren't any dual use stadiums anymore. There just aren't any MLB/NFL shared stadiums anymore. It just doesn't work for either league. There's more to consider than just a bunch of seats around a patch of grass.
I saw Three Rivers Stadium imploded in 2001. We got there about three in the morning (about four hours before it was destroyed. Lots of drunk around us on a Sunday morning.
We voted against building two new stadiums and a new arena several times. We got them anyways.
I was there too. Do you remember the contest they had to choose who got to push the plunger and blow it up?😂 I wanted to win that so bad when I was a kid lol.
I also remember it being absolutely freezing outside.
Plan B FT... W?
Three Rivers actually wasn't bad compared to other cookie-cutter stadiums of that era. The transformation from football to baseball (and vice versa) was among the easiest (especially compared to the Oakland Coliseum). For a cookie-cutter stadium, the sightlines at old Three Rivers was also decent. And Three Rivers was one of the loudest venues - especially when the Steelers were playing. BUT The Burgh now has some crown jewel venues - especially PNC Park.
Now the pirates thanks to horrible ownerships with McClatchy and nutting the pirates won’t do a thing in the best ballpark in America. Some our saying now they shouldn’t have gotten the stadium built for the pirates,
Kansas City did it (1972, 73 ) long before Baltimore began the trend (1992).
4:31, I hope to see the yard lines for the Wildcard game
The first city with 2 stadiums in the same location was Kansas City - Arrowhead and Kaufman were built at the same time in essentially a giant shared parking lot. It was supposed to have a giant rolling roof that could move between stadiums but it was determine to be unfeasible from an engineering/cost prospective. That is why the Arizona Cardinals stadium actually moves the field outside to grow real grass. Cheaper to move the field than the entire building.
Apparently KC is looking at building a downtown baseball stadium...I guess with that many games a more central location makes some sense
@@jimbosc I guess the new owner would self-finance it because I doubt Jackson County taxpayers would approve it.
Denver's original Mile High Stadium had an ingenious triple-deck, 9 million pound stadium section that could be moved in or out 145' to accommodate both sports. It was renowned for getting fans right up close to their Broncos, but it wasn't actually all that bad for baseball either. The Rockies played their first two seasons there (before moving to purpose-built Coors Field) and set a single season MLB home attendance record of over 4.4 million that stands to this day.
1. rent prices and dealing with an ego driven stadium owner.
2. teams want their own space.
3. easier to schedule according to that team specific league.
4. ownership of a stadium
5. Having the right amount of seats instead of dealing with too many extra seats
I remember watching padres games and charger games at Qualcomm growing up. Shared stadiums are total trash. Qualcomm is a terrible venue and it was emphasized when Petco was built.
Your full of shit.i attended many Padres and charger's games at then San Diego stadium. Sight lines made it a mediocre baseball venue I'll agree..but those same sight lines made it one of the best places to watch football anywhere in the U.S.
Francesco Avila dude Qualcomm smells like shit. The place was dilapidated and flooded bad if it rained hard. If you think Qualcomm is anything less than shit, you’ve never been to a nice stadium.
Commenting this on every new Five points upload until he does worst high school football stadium
(not hurrying you up or anything Five Points this is just a meme)
Wait do some high schools have their own dedicated stadiums off campus?
@@evangel1460 some do yes I believe Five Points mentioned one in his latest worst college football stadiums video
Evangel yeah, my school has a stadium in a different city, we have to share with our rivals though
@@evangel1460 My HS alma mater moved from mid-city Buffalo to the suburbs in the early 50s so they could have enough land for athletic facilities. Our arch-rival is still in the city, but they recently opened their own football field, in suburban West Seneca.
Do best high school football stadiums
That cancelled preseason game was the Hall of Fame Game at Canton, and it had nothing to do with baseball because no one plays baseball at that stadium.
It was the result of a mishap with painting the yard lines and the fresh paint being too slippery.
That’s canceled game was at Veterans stadium
I still maintain that old Busch stadium is one of the best looking stadiums made. I like a nice simple symmetrical baseball diamond.
And let's not forget the Astrodome, still sitting proudly in dereliction over 20 years after being replaced by Reliant Stadium and Minute Made Park.
>acts like the orioles created the single use trend
>Doesn't mention Kauffman & Arrowhead
And into the trash it goes
They were both built in the 60s.
Both were built in the 60’s
And both still stand
@@Goode2ya And both teams probably wouldn't turn down a new stadium. Or another city that would build them one.
Most of them were actually quite successful by just about every metric, EXCEPT that transforming from baseball to football wasn't exactly seamless. Moving between basketball and hockey is still quite common and can be accomplished in just two or three hours
I spent a good part of my early sports writing career covering a LOT of events at the very first one, RFK Stadium in Washington, and in several others down the road. For several years, I worked for the AP, and when one covers sports for a wire service, whatever comes through town is part of the beat, so there were many occasions when I would be stuck at a place like the old Capital Centre (which was essentially as close to the middle of nowhere as one could be in a major metro area) between a Georgetown basketball game on a Saturday afternoon, a Capitals hockey game that same night - and often the following afternoon - and then a Bullets basketball game that night.
After filing a story, there would be little else to do but go sit in the stands and watch the changeover process, but I digress
NONE of them was a failure in terms of their stated intent, which was to provide LOW-COST venues for fans to watch their favorite sports in relative comfort. They were NEVER intended to be the "palaces" that they have become today
All but a handful stadiums and arenas are mostly PUBLICLY owned, meaning that you and me - the taxpayer - pays to build, operate, maintain AND - when needed - repair or even rebuild them. It's literally a handful: you can count them on the fingers of both hands and still have several fingers left over
ALL that most teams - the tenant - pay for is rent, and many of them line up like pigs at a trough to get their cuts of parking, concessions and even to develop property around these facilities (which they also DON'T own)
Multipurpose facilities were the only way that cash-strapped communities could afford to host professional sports franchises, before someone rolls out the old argument that stadiums and arenas are good for their local economies, forget it
Numerous studies show that economic development does NOT follow construction of stadiums and arenas, and that the ONLY positive impact comes from irregular seasonal employment that neither pays living wages nor increases the tax base enough to be worth the overall MUNICIPAL investment, and that hosting a professional sports franchise is largely a VANITY enterprise and not a financially viable one
I've included a link to a fairly recent one here: news.stanford.edu/2015/07/30/stadium-economics-noll-073015/
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What about KC they’ve had two stadiums next to each other for 51 years so howd Baltimore prove two could be in the same area?
He meant in a downtown setting. Which kickstarted a trend of occupying space in an urban area for two facilities
MarloSoBalJr that complex is in Kansas City a urban area just like ST Louis and Boston
I'm gonna miss dual purpose stadiums
I know this is all subjective, but I'm gonna remember dual use stadiums more fondly than a lot of fans.
It was so cool seeing the painted grid-iron + numbers over the pitchers mound and dirt basepaths of the baseball infields. I remember after Miami got the Marlins in 1993 they shared Joe Robbie stadium with the Dolphins and sometimes the Patriots would play the Dolphins on the road in Miami, the dirt from the Marlins infield would get the Patriots and Dolphins players uniforms filthy from all the mud lol. Great memories and nostalgia...
I miss the dual use stadiums. I'm a Mets fan and I can tell you many of the old New York Jets have fond memories of playing in Shea Stadium.
That being said the Mets did the Jets dirty back then. The Mets didn't want football games played at Shea until after baseball season ended because football games tear up a field more than baseball does. So most seasons the Jets would play their fist 3 or 4 games on the road.
1969 & 1973 the Mets went to the World Series. In 1969 the Jets played their first 5 games on the road because of it. In 1973 the Jets played their first 6 games on the road and only ended up playing 6 home games in a 14 game season.
That's why the Jets finally got out of Shea Stadium.
well the jets have sucked ever since then so don't blame shea stadium
omg i clicked on this video thinking it was like 3 weeks old not 3 minutes
thanks 5 point vids your the best
Great, I show this video to my 8 year old daughter about these stadiums and she gets to see a over 1 minute sponsor ad with cuss words about the joys of "Manscaping". Dude, no wonder you dont have more subscribers.
The Metrodome in Minneapolis didn’t “fail”. It didn’t even need to be replaced. Some gov officials merely thought the city/state could spend twice as much building two separate stadiums while family members could buy cheap -and then sell for a good profit- the properties around it.
maybe..I saw a Twins game there..U.S. Bank Stadium is more modern and has nicer suites..I miss seeing Big Ten and Minnesota Golden Gopher football games at the HHH Metrodome on TV..💺🏈🚜📺🤣
magnificent video. well researched, and nicely presented. i grew up watching the kingdome being put up, and saw the first mariners, then seahawks games played there. it is where they park attending the new ones now. nice
Scott Brady thank you scott, I appreciate it :)
You didn't happen to mention that for the longest time Wrigley was a multipurpose stadium. The Bears played in Wrigley until the 70s. Even one of the end zones literally ended inside of a dugout. Illinois and Northwestern also played a game there in 2010. They used a different layout but one of the end zones ended against the brick wall so they agreed to have offenses go the opposite way of that end zone the whole game.
Wait. So you’re calling nearly 50 years a “failure”. How many stadiums are even 50 years old?
My thought exactly.
Soldier Field (1924) and Lambeau Field (1957). Next oldest is Arrowhead, opened 1972.
Except for those, New Era (1973), the Superdome (1975), and Hard Rock Stadium (1987), the rest were all built after 1995.
@@35mm21 I agree, I was waiting for a little bit about dual use stadiums that were beloved and ripped from the hearts of fans unwillingly. Camden Yards is great and all, but nobody wanted to be rid of Memorial. Not to mention calling what the colts did "abandoning" the stadium, considering the city sued for ownership of the team to prevent them from leaving, and the prick owner moved them out in the middle of the night to avoid losing a court battle.
@@timfortune9 soldier field don't count, it's been rebuilt
@@timfortune9 soldier Field is completed in 2003, they razed the old stadium and built a new stafium inside