Thank you for saying so. This video was a little too over the top for how well it's done but maybe it will have done better when I take a look in six months time. John.
"I absolutely love your channel! You truly deserve your own cinema, where all your fans can visit and enjoy movies the way they’re meant to be watched. Keep up the amazing work!"
It's sad that there's not a market for cinema any longer. It would be nice to be able to go to a local and appreciate the presentation and quality that we used to enjoy years ago, but alas, apart from a few special cinemas here and there, those days have gone. Imagine being able to see the original Star Wars on the same quality Technicolor prints that the premiere houses had back in 1977 and 1978 today. That would draw the crowds. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Hey John, I really hope you get a big boost in views soon and that your channel reaches millions of subscribers! Wouldn’t it be amazing if that dream came true? Your account is absolutely fantastic, and I can totally see it happening! 🌟 As for your comment, you’re so right-it’s a shame the magic of old-school cinemas has mostly disappeared. But imagine this: a revival night at an authentic cinema with those stunning Technicolor Star Wars prints from 1977. People would be lining up around the block for that (and I’d be right there at the front with popcorn in hand 🍿). So, here’s to you getting more views, more subscribers, and maybe someday a cinema bringing your dream to life. After all, dreams are meant to come true, right? 😉 Best wishes and good luck,
Another great video. Keep up the good work. We’ve had Star Wars in so many formats over the years inc VHS, DVD, Laserdisc, Blu-ray and now the new 4K releases. I’ve got the despecialised version of the original and hold no guilt playing that every now and then when I want a pure hit!
I didn’t have the super 8 myself but I remember seeing as a 9 year old at school in assembly the tatooine desert scene projected. It was only a few minutes from what I remember but it still was amazing and is still my fave scene in the film. Gives me goosebumps!
@@JohnDoe-uu2zs I don't think children today would be able to understand the magic of being able to see those Super 8 reels back in 1977 before the film was even released to cinemas over here. It was an amazing time and it's still a dream come true for me that we are able to purchased films on video in such good quality for so little and watch them in our own home cinemas. I may not be a child any longer but I've never grown up, that's for sure. John.
I think I was 13 Coyley and it is probably a major reason why I've had a lifelong love of film. Being introduced to Super 8 at the age of 2 or 3, seeing Jaws in 1975, Star Wars in 1978 and then not being allowed to see Alien in 1979 are all the catalysts for why I ended up a complete basket case! John.
Graham here. We all knew back in the 70s "Star wars "was something special. I saw it in the then Bombay in a 70mm print. Till this day I remember the beauty of it all with those wonderful colours and of course the big wide screen which is so Necessary to view "Star Wars" in all it's glory. Definitely one of your top reviews John you can tell your heart is in it.
Thank you Graham. I had been asked to review that 4K Star Wars disc many times but it really wasn't something I wanted to see owing to all the added animation. What is disappointing is that it's not been a very popular video but picking up now from a very lowly position. Up until last night it was one of the worst performing videos I've ever done. It's a funny old world. John.
I had first seen SW at the theaters in 1977. When the Star Destroyer came overhead my jaw hit the floor and I dont think it ever came off the floor. I have the original version on laser disc as well as the box set of the special editions. One collectible is the full story of SW on two LP set. I now have the Blu Ray box set of all the movies. I just finished watching Lights and Magic, the documentary of ILM on Disney+. Ive enjoyed all the movies including the side projects (Rogue One, Solo and Obi Won Kenobi Etc etc etc}.
I think the only Star Wars I've seen that I really didn't like was The Last Jedi and then the second and third films in the prequel trilogy. I haven't seen any of the television series but I expect I will sometime. I just hope they make a series with Babu Frik as the lead character! John.
I saw the film in 70mm on it initial release at the Paris Theatre in Brisbane , Queensland , Australia. I saw The Empire Strikes Back at the Coronet Theatre in 1980 in 70mm in San Francisco. In 1997 I saw the re-release at the Edward's Theatre in Newport Beach on their giant screen.
We still have some giant screens around but it seems that Star Wars never gets the benefit of a real film print to screen on them now. I suppose it would only be the 1997 re-worked version if it did. I'd like to see an original Technicolor print on a huuuuuuuge screen but I think I'm dreaming there. It's never likely to happen. John.
John, I’m sure I speak for many subscribers when I tell you how much we appreciate this review. Love the fact you did a proper deep dive. You reminded me of the long wait between the US release, then the Leicester Square and West End release, then everywhere else. What torture that was. I went with my older brother in 1978-perhaps 1979, it’s remarkable to think how long films stayed in the cinemas back then. Love your lobby cards, it never ceases to amaze me how many of us have collected so much Star Wars ephemera. It really did change the world. I’m off to watch my old VHS recorded off the TV in 1982 😂
That is certainly going to be panned and scanned Ghost, complete with adverts unless Darth managed to use the pause button successfully during the breaks. John.
Darth, I was collecting the red versions of the bubble gum cards and although I never managed to attain the lot before the film was first released over here, I did finally get to see it knowing every single scene from those cards and the Super 8 200ft reel by then. If I'd have been more cinema aware I'd have known that it was on in the West End and badgered my parents to take us to see it. I really would love to be able to say I was lucky enough to see the D-150 presentation at the Odeon Marble Arch but sadly it was Star Wars that began my fascination of all things cinema so I wasn't as switched on as I was to become after that life changing experience of first seeing Star Wars on a big screen. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thats brilliant- the bubble gum cards being your own trailer/sneak preview. our local cinemas would show all movies on a pretty tight schedule, and back then they didn’t care if you stayed and watched it again, we used to do that quite a bit. Another lost moment was the supporting movies- I can remember an old Spider-Man film and a Sinbad movie being on before the main film, I guess that was to help parents trying to offload their kids for as long as possible in the holidays. I’m never really sure why more cinemas don’t do retrospective showings of classics. I’ve been fortunate enough to see Star Wars and 2001 on the big screen, but never Jaws or Alien, which both warrant a full screen viewing.
@@ManCave1972 Jaws is on re-release right now Darth. It's being passed off as IMAX which of course it can't be and never could have been because it was shot 35mm but it might be a chance to see it in a purported IMAX cinema on a huge screen.... without any masking! I do wonder why it's been brought back though and it's possible it's because cinema is in serious trouble right now because there is hardly anything for them to screen. The last days of cinema as we have always known it perhaps? I hope not but I do have concerns. By the way, I don't have any recollection of what the supporting films to Star Wars were back in 1978 when I saw it. And sadly those bubble gum card were accidentally thrown out when the family home was sold and I wasn't there to rescue all of my things. John.
Great video. Small quibble, though. The US premiere was actually 25 May 1977. I know because I was there. Plitt Cinema in Orange, California. Life was very different for me after that day.
Fantastic video John . Star wars always be seeing for the first time with my Late Dad at my local cinema in 1978 was the best film experience l ever had in my life . I saw super 8 version of star wars at school in late 70s . I enjoyed Empire strikes Back Return of the Jedi with my dad . I recorded star wars in October 1982 when it was ltv and watched it every day for weeks l was 16 . I brought star wars on video in 1988 .l enjoyed every star wars film but nothing will more exciting than the original one . I have got star wars movies on 4k blue ray the box set you were showing. You got Fantastic collection John. Thanks for sharing. All the best to you .
I first went with my parents and brother when it was first on general release in 1978 Jonny, but we couldn't get in. This was partially because people back then could pay to go into a cinema and stay all day so not as many people vacated the cinema as usual in between each of those Star Wars screenings. That is what caused the end of 'continuous performances' and cinema staff all over Britain would soon thereafter usher everyone out of the auditorium prior to the next show. I went back a few days later after the disappointment of not getting in but this time with some school friends and got in. I then went again with my family once more so I got to see the film it twice. I have never found that the film works on a telly and now that the original film is not permitted on home video I'm glad I have the Super 8 feature print even if it isn't the best quality ever issued on the gauge. John.
Thank you Aurelio. No one sets out to make a bad film so I'll always try to give any production a chance and find the good in it even if I don't particularly like the film myself. John.
@@moviecollector5920 and that's much appreciated because I've fallen down the 4K rabbit hole and seem to be gradually replacing all my blu rays so really enjoy your reviews and passion for the content
This gentleman should have 5 million subscribers. No one does what he does. Incredible information. Presented as good as any National Geographic documentary. Extreme respect and admiration. Sir if I asked how many movie titles you own would you share that? Not how many disks or films. Just how many movie titles. I am very curious since I have a bigger than typical size collection. Thank you sir. For everything you do.
I really don't know how many. I estimate around 50 features on film prints, loads of feature cut downs on Super 8, loads of extracts, hundreds and hundreds of trailers and then dozens of cartoon shorts and dozens of newsreels and travelogues. Video discs will be around 1000 movies and about 100 television series I suppose. Enough to take probably more than ten years to get through the lot at current viewing rates. And thank you for your kind words about the videos. I've just shot an 8mm projector and a Super 8 projector running so if that's turned out okay then I'll get that cut together and uploaded in the coming days. John.
@@moviecollector5920 John thanks for the reply. I use an on line service to keep up with my ever growing collection. Right now I have nearly 6200 titles. These go way back to the beginning of dvd. About 20 percent are Blu-ray with a couple dozen 4ks for super important ones. Wish we lived close. I can imagine hours of great movie conversations over hot tea. Thanks again for what you do so well. Your knowledge is amazing.
I had the 200ft, black and white, and silent Super 8 print. I talked my 7th grade teacher into letting me show it to the class one day. Of course, I brought along my soundtrack album and played the music along with it on the old school phonograph. Wowed everyone that day, many of whom didn’t believe I was telling them the truth about having the print or were completely unaware it existed!
phenominal video, John! funnily enough I was looking at 4K77 and 4K83 earlier today and I forgot how nice the colours look on it, the grain also looks very crisp and sharp thanks to no DNR used. it would be amazing to see one of those 70mm blow up prints, perhaps for its 50th anniversary coming up in 2027, there might be a few screenings happening of this historic film. I also hope disney publishes 4K77 and the other 4K projects. It would be unreal if they would screen them in cinemas too. have a great day, John! I think I've got a 35mm dark knight coming soon, I haven't filmed it yet, but that will be in about a week. Then after that I'll be attending a screening of Drive on 35mm, which I'm interested to see how the 4K compares to a 35mm print seeing how they are both from a digital source.
Drive certainly will be interesting Clark. It's quite amazing how good that one looks on 4K disc given that it was never 4K so to see it blown up onto a real cinema screen will surely put that 35mm from the 2K video master to the test. The Dark Knight should also be interesting because of the VistaVision type effect from the genuine IMAX down to a 35mm anamorphic print. I watched a TH-cam video about how 4K77 was done and I'm not surprised that dye-transfer Technicolor prints have been the main source because being dye they don't fade. Surprising to see such difference in the colour between two Technicolor prints though. Without using image noise reduction the grain is going to appear coarser and more visible than it ever was on the film prints. I suspect the ol' DNR has been used a little too liberally in the 4K Special Edition disc so I'd have preferred that none was used at all just so we could be sure of looking at a genuine representation of the film but most won't notice and will probably prefer the more sterile look. It is very good despite any misgivings I may have about noise reduction. John.
I’m excited to hear the drive soundtrack in the cinema, not to mention it’s amazing visuals, I wonder if the Colour grade on the drive 4K will look the same as the 35mm print. I prefer there be more course grain than no grain, it lets me know I’m seeing as much detail as possible. I’m also interested in how the 1570 imax sequences look on 35mm for the dark knight. Also, in this video you show a Star Wars super 8 print being projected and the picture is quite green, why is this? Regards, Clark
@@ClarkTeddles - According to the Second Sight 4K UHD Blu-ray marketing: BRAND NEW 4K MASTER produced by the original post production company and approved by Nicolas Winding Refn DOLBY VISION/HDR PRESENTATION with grade completed by the film's original colorist and Director approved So, it should closely resemble the original colour grading of the theatrical run.
The 4k77 fella has THE best copies. Considering how many alternate original sound options there are it already beats the sterile Disney controlled versions that have never stopped being updated (we don't even have the original SE versions to watch) They look amazing, even ESB which is so far only a colour corrected grindhouse print. There is no other way to watch these films once you have copies. Same with the Raiders print they released.
@@HoorayTV21 I think we should probably say that there is no other way to watch them on video because many enthusiasts have film prints on one format or the other. I do have all three of the original trilogy on Super 8 and that was always good enough for the home, particularly with re-recorded sound or sound running in synch from the videos. And they're fully legal which is a bonus. If 4K77 ever gets official recognition then that will be a game changer and a whole load of us will no doubt pile in there. John.
That's a good one Andy. Thank you. I thought it might be the best yet when I finally completed it but sadly it's not yet finding the sort of size audience I was hoping for. That might change of course so we'll have to wait and see. John.
Very informative video loved it.I saw Star Wars in Jan 1978 with my mum at Tottenham court road and never forget that ship going over our heads at the beginning.
I think I was 13 when I queued up to see it at my local ABC. I think it was responsible for kick starting my love of all things cinema but I had been into Super 8 on a lesser basis for years up to the time Star Wars appeared. John.
As always John a fabulous dive into what’s probably almost all of the communities favourite film - I think TH-cam was made for Star Wars discourse - my dad picked me up from school in his 1600E as a surprise and I took him as a surprise in 97 for the special edition - the star destroyer looming in overhead is one of those shots, moments and memories that anyone of a certain age has a fondness for - as always thank you for the review and the nod to dog soldiers as well - got my copy from second sight and can’t recommend it enough
That opening with the two ships has to be one of the best - if not, the best - openings to a film ever. To see it in genuine IMAX was even better so I hope prints of that Special Effects IMAX film still exist so that I get another chance to see again one day. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I’d love to see that myself - even when I put it on my digital projector in the house it still looks amazing - I think that the quality of the effects and the believably of the model work coupled with the spectacle and the fact that it just hadn’t been done before to that standard blew everyone away and it’s one of the reasons it has such a special resonance for people of a certain age - in 77/78 nothing could touch it and now it wouldn’t hit people in the same way - you can only get a first once and for sci fi it was Star Wars much like Psycho for suspense and the Exorcist for horror
@@deanrussell2224 And Jaws for Great White Sharks Dean. A darned good summing up of why so many of us still have such an affection for that first story set a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. John.
I did shoot a lot more collectibles Darren but didn't get them out of display cabinets and off the shelves so in the end I didn't use those shots as it rather spoiled the flow of the video... which isn't doing very well sadly. Time will tell if it was a complete waste of time though. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I imagine your home theatre collection to be like a history lesson of film. Regardless if the video gets lots of views, I think it worthwhile for the subscribers would enjoy and watch all your videos like me. I certainly enjoyed it and shared it with a Star Wars enthusiast friend
Saw all 3 Star War films in Hollywood and Beverly Hills movie theaters. I have the video on beta and vhs plus laser disc. Then dvd and now 4K DVD. Thanks for the review John.
Great video again, John, and nice to see you back, I thought I was the biggest Star Wars fan; such fond memories of seeing in 77 coming out n rejoining the queue. I also have a super 8mm reel, but I never had or had the equipment to view it. As for my hypothesis on why films will never make classic status, as you said, SW would be 10yrs old before you can own it physically. Unlike today when DVDs can be owned after six months, they collect dust. I remember seeing the double bill also of SW and ESB, I also still have The Story of SW on vinyl which I now own on MP3 for the car. Amazing Video John hope you are well
I think this was the biggest I've done so far Carl but there have been a few biggies in the past. This one did take a lot of planning but it seemed to turn out alright in the end so I hope it does really well otherwise I'll be a little miffed. Looks to be okay so far. Probably put five days into this one but certainly four so at least 30 hours. Your Super 8 reel was most likely before low fade stocks were introduced so you really need to get that through a projector soon to see if it's still good. Some were struck on low fade so you might find you're lucky. The later features are all struck on low fade stock so they should be alright for 100 years. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I think the Super 8 is the trailer reel, thanks for the reply mate, I also have all the various DVDs and Videos inc the first Video VHS copy, but more recently got the big 4k box set which is amazing but its nice to own the different stages of the film , i never collected the laser disc era, I agree re the SE of the film and request a 4k of the OG film in atmos, that would be amazing, take care my friend , CARL .
Sadly I don't think I'll be able to do anything on the later films as this one hasn't proved to be popular at all so far. Let's hope that changes because I was hoping to do something similar for Star Trek. John.
Wonderful, thanks John, as usual lots of things I was not aware of. My wife and I saw it when it was first released at the Leicester Square Theatre - it blew our minds and we realised from that moment that cinema had turned a corner and would never be the same again. Not bad for a film that was almost dismissed as a B movie that would most likely not appeal to the public. Absolutely fascinating, thank you.
It seems to have had an effect on many of us Trevor. I probably wouldn't have become a Super 8 addict if it hadn't have been for the early Star Wars releases and therefore wouldn't have ever turned up at the BFCC. Funny how things turn out. John.
sleeper star wars was and then suddenly box office tills was ringing like no other . same with ghost , it was sleeper then suddenly box office tills ringing
Saw back in May 1977. Have vhs, dvd, br & uhd. Got online the 4K restoration 77 project of original Star War. They did a fine job & I watch on 120” screen with JVC 2000 projector. It looks like what I remember, lol. Han shoots first. Thanks for review of my fav👏👏👏
I don't think Greedo even fires in the original. And what are those subtitles all of a sudden because I never saw them on the original... they're certainly not on the Super 8 print and thank gawd too because they're pointless and take you out of the film. John.
Really interesting history of SW. Saw at Theatre One in Coventry with my dad back in 1978. Remember like yesterday as well as all the toys and magazines.
It seems that a lot of us have treasured memories of where and when we saw this historic film. It's probably not quite so historic now that we just have a version of the so-called 'Special Edition' and the original has been hidden from view for so long. John.
Absolutely I queued round the block with my dad aged 9 1/2 and the showing we got into only had 2 seats left (Brighton Odeon) right at the front. I’ve been hooked ever since that opening shot!
@@MikeTheBike2010 I queued with my parents and brother and got nowhere near getting in before being turned away for the day. I went again a few days later with school friends and got in then. A couple of days after that I went with my whole family again and got in. Today the cinema we all saw it in is a gym. What a waste because for a local town cinema there was a pretty big screen in there - getting on for 40 feet wide I think. John.
You really went all out on production with this one, great video John. I was a huge fan myself. I remember seeing RotJ as a small child in the cinema, but didn't think much of SW till many years later. It was actually Timothy Zahn's novel "Heir to the Empire" that hooked me, circa 1994. A continuation of the story of our heroes after the end of the films intrigued me and that was a great trilogy. Back then, Star Wars was so niche, my local bookshop said I might only find more at Forbidden Planet in London, which became a regular hangout for teenage me :-) The Star Wars products were in a dark, dusty corner in the basement back then! That got me into the novels, comic books, movies and the rest. There was a once in a lifetime back-to-back showing of the whole trilogy at a venue in Borehamwood, Herts around 95-96 I attended, and met several of the actors who were there. I kept my VHSs of the original versions for many years until I just couldn't justify keeping VHS around anymore. I still have the comic books from Dark Horse, some Dave Prowse autographed photos, my book collection and other paraphernalia. I was sad that Disney made all the Extended Universe non-canon and didn't care for their trilogy very much. It is still lovely to remember Star Wars before it was the cultural phenomenon it became. I haven't watched the 4Ks, my last viewing was the HD fan 'theatrical' cuts. Still great cinema. Thanks again for such an exciting and informative video!
I thought it was the most ambitious video I'd ever done for the Movie Collector channel but sadly it's been a bit of a flop so far. I've been massaging things slowly to try and get it out there but it's still not making much of an impact. Up until this morning it was my worst performing video of the past six months and only two previously had done worse so it's probably ruled out something similar I was hoping to do on the Star Trek films. Oh well, we'll see. The early nineties saw the release of Empire and Jedi on Super 8 so that was actually a really good period for avid Star Wars fanatics. To this day they are still the best fully legitimate way to see the original films. If only the VHS releases hadn't been done to death after that time then perhaps the original films might have got a re-release in 1997 without so much cartooning added to them. It's such a shame that they're now virtually hidden away but at least the 4K looks terrific even if it isn't the version of the film many of us would have preferred. I still visit Forbidden Planet whenever I return to London although that's increasingly difficult now owing to the anti-car policies. John.
Excellent work John, very comprehensive, I thought I was bad and I've only got the laserdiscs, Vhs's, dvds, blu rays and 4ks. It's hard to imagine now what effect Star wars had on me (13 in 1978).
I think I was 13 when I first saw Star Wars too Clive. I don't think there is any doubt that it had a major effect on a lot of young boys who have kept their love for the film for 45 years and counting. There aren't many films that have changed the world but Star Wars is one of them. I can't think of another that ever had quite such an effect either. John.
Brilliant Video John, great to look back to when it was released. I was lucky over the years I have projected 35mm and 70mm prints of Star Wars, Empire strikes back and Jedi. Best. Mike
Well get hold of one of those 70mm Star Wars prints and stick it on at the BFI IMAX Michael. I'll be there, you can count on that. But please get Tenet back on first!!! John.
We're playing Star Wars Monopoly right now Shaun! I think I need help... psychiatric help! I love running the Super 8 prints of the original films. I don't think anything else will ever match the excitement of getting those three films complete on Super 8 and that's a big reason why I still love to screen them and never get bored of them. John.
If only they'd have shot the whole film in genuine IMAX in the first place! Then again, it wouldn't have turned out the way it did and they certainly wouldn't have got the special effects finished in time. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I've been watching the documentary 'Light and Magic' which shed light (pun) unto the complexity of getting the special effects of 'Star Wars' actually done.
@@jremy7 I haven't seen that one jremy7 but I'd like to. I have seen an awful lot about ILM over the years though. I just wish they'd asked me to make the new documentary! John.
Yet another fantastic video. Thank you. I first saw it aged 5 at the Classic in Blackburn. For some bizarre reason I remember having my polio inoculation before! It was on a loop so I remember peeking through the doors and watched everyone getting their medals. At 5 I wasn't too sure what it was about and used to think the Millennium Falcon had 2 cockpits, one at each side. Strange what useless information my mind retains. Anyway, I have a personal link to the film as my mum gets about £14 a year royalties from Lucasfilm from something my grandad did for the score. See was an ex-professional musician and was involved with the Musicians Union. He kept having to go to London a lot around this time and being rather discreet he never uttered a word. We never knew anything about this until the annual cheques kept coming after he passed away. I've checked with the London Symphony Orchestra and he didn't play on the score, so I've no idea what he did....but the annual royalty cheque still comes! I've got it on VHS (original) and Laservision (sadly no LD player any more). I've even got some empty VHS display packs as my mum worked in Tesco and they were throwing them away after the displayed finished. Whilst very excited about the special editions at the time, they have not aged well. So after investing on multiple releases on VHS, DVD & Blu ray I've not invested in 4K as it's not the original. If Disney released "Star Wars" (not Episode IV) I'd buy it. So, it's 4K77 for me on either DNR and DNR free (the latter is wonderfully grubby!) Maybe the original will be re-released in 2027?
i really like your description that the special edition has "not aged well". That was a line I could have done with before recording the video. However, I did expect this video to be really popular so in a way it's just as well I didn't put any more work into it as I was over 30 hours as it is. I don't know if Star Wars ever will see the light of day about but 50 years since it's USA release date would be the time if it is to ever be released. If it were up to me I'd strike new 70mm blow-up prints and put it in the top cinemas in the world still capable of showing film. And by the way, film is not so grainy as it appears when scanned for a video, it's a by-product or side-effect of the scanning process. Project a film and it looks far less coarse grained than it appears on all these discs which is why image noise reduction is played with. There is too much of that applied to Star Wars though and that results in it looking more like a video than a film. Great memories and stories there Loft Legacy. Thank you. John.
Always come back to these videos. I love your channel John you have a welcoming nature. I would have loved to have had a friend to hang out and watch movies with like you. Merry Christmas John.
Well, I've just seen the trailer for Oppenheimer which is out the end of next July, and it's been filmed in IMAX and Super Panavision 70 so I'll see you at the BFI IMAX on opening day! John.
A beautiful history lesson worthy of being included on future video disc releases of Star Wars. It's amazing that you have those 8mm reels of the original version. I didn't know that the genuine IMAX documentary Special Effects existed. It's awesome that you include stuff like that. That 35mm film frame you show at the 10:36 point looks like it's from a Widescreen trailer for Revenge of the Sith - if that's the case, the Scope 2.39:1 aspect ratio of the film (not anamorphic on the print of the trailer) is masked within the Widescreen 1.85:1 aspect ratio and screened with the non-anamorphic 1.85:1 projector lens. However, I do wonder about what the cover says: "... a unique 35mm film frame taken directly from the original film footage and reproduced using state-of-the-art imaging and printing techniques."
I think the film frame in the box was created by someone who doesn't know or understand film Erik and it's as simple as that. It bothered me from the day my brother bought me that fabulous set as a birthday present and so I thought I'd make the point in this video in the hope that it would get around and a few people would be educated. There were previously collectible film frames issued in packs like it and they were all in the 'Scope format so something has changed in the video era and I think it's simply down to a lack of knowledge. I hope I get to see that IMAX film again one day. The Star Destroyer coming over head was even more impactive than it was on the original film and has to be seen to be believed. Pure movie magic that I could sit there and watch again and again on a loop. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yes, that scene recreated in IMAX sounds like pure movie magic. I imagine I could sit there next to you and watch it again and again on a loop.
That was suberbly put together, I remember seeing it in 78 at my local Odeon and can still remember how excited the chatter was and the applause of the audience at the end, something you don't get these days... Nice seeing you again, been a few years, looking forward to the BFCC next year... Chris Quinn... ;)
Good to hear from you Chris and it will be even better to see you in April. I'll be paying for the hall in November and sorting everything else out then whereupon that's when this channel starts to be used for what it was started for: Namely, to resurrect the BFCC and make it viable. If we can get some home video enthusiasts along and into film then that will be mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned. Keith isn't very well so I don't know if we'll be able to get him along but I hope so as that was another major reason for doing all this. John.
I just bought a 9.2 receiver, installed 2 height speakers for Atmos, and what a joy it was to hear some of John Williams' music plus SFX like the voices on the Death Star landing bay squawk box saying "Unlock 1, 5, 7 and 9--release charges" overhead in the 4K!
It's just a shame the original film hasn't had a re-release for gawd knows how long Mike. I find it difficult to watch the re-hashed versions but when I watch the original, I'm not sure I'd like it so much with modern, re-worked sound. I'm a bit of a fuss pot when it comes to Star Wars, probably because I've had the Super 8 print for over 30 years and completely used to how it looks and sounds. Every home should have a copy! John.
Another great video and one that brought back memories of my fellow Super 8 collector friend Alan and I rushing from our Blackburn homes to the Film Shop ( as we called it) in Blackpool to purchase the 200ft release of Star Wars. We then tried to rush back home, ignoring everything else Blackpool had to offer, even faster to project it. We had scraped enough together, with a little pleading to our parents, to get the colour sound versions. We were very popular with our friends at that time. The 400ft versions were purchased later and I did get the first 400ft of Empire Strikes back. I sadly sold the lot ages ago and have started collecting again due to your channel and have the first 400ft of Star Wars again - I will not be so stupid as to sell it again.
I gave my Ken Films cut downs of Star Wars and Empire away when I got the features Christopher but fortunately the friend I gave them to still has them so they're in good hands. Super 8 collecting really has been a wonderful thing in my life and I wouldn't have started this channel if I'd never have taken up that film collecting adiction. John.
@@moviecollector5920 - Thoroughly enjoyed this trip down memory lane. Star Wars was the first movie I ever watched on a cinema screen. The Apollo Theatre in Oxford had a screen installed on stage in order to show Star Wars. I’ve been a fan of watching movies on the big screen ever since. Thanks again, John, I can’t even imagine the amount of work that went into making this video but the editing side alone was far longer than yesterday’s Berlin Full Marathon! 😱
@@cheekster777 Good to know you liked it Cheekster. A lot of editing but I could have gone on for days longer finalizing it all so in the end decided that that was enough, which is how you have to be if you still want to have a life outside of editing. John.
If anything is going to happen then we'll know by the end of 2027 because I can't imagine the 50th anniversary of the USA theatrical release not being recognized. Maybe we should start a campaign to pressurize Georgy Boy. John.
4k77, 4k80 and 4k83 are all fantastic efforts. I only wish it were easier to decode atmos tracks at home so we could modify the retail atmos track to work with the community 4k transfers. The tools for editing are there with davinci resolve and pro tools, but decoding to a compatible format is the issue.
I've never been able to get the multi-channel surround sound tracks to work in Davinci. Might try it again one day but so far, no banana. Star Wars did have a six track stereo with the 70mm prints so pulling those off would facilitate re-working something much more easily. John.
I love your TH-cam tube. My favourite. I found this video very interesting. I learnt a lot from your informative Star Wars video. I have the 1997 Drew Struzan quad poster. I first saw Star Wars in 1978 very early 1978 when I was 4 years old. I saw it at an Oden cinema in Bury Lancashire. With my mum and my friends and their mum
And I bet you can remember your cinema outing that day Liam. I was a little older and I went to see it twice at a local ABC. I can still remember the thrill and I think I can remember the print being a little grainy but it may be my Super 8 print superimposed over it somehow. The mind and the memory can play tricks. I have the 1997 Special Edition posters of all three but annoyingly my copy of the Star Wars item is not double sided. Empire and Jedi are both double sided to appear best in a lightbox. I realized recently that the poster for Last Night In Soho is a bit of a take-off of the original Star Wars quad. Certainly copied the style of it anyway. I expect a lot have done that over the years but I never noticed it before. John.
Congratulations on 20K Subscribers. I cannot wait to see you hit 100K! I love the channel and love your knowledge & adoration of classic cinema. Keep up the lovely content!
Thank you Matthias. I've been looking at the figures of a couple of us who started similar channels around the same time and how the figures tend to correspond on how many views a video gets dependent on the number of subscribers. From this I've been able to conclude that for any of us to be truly successful on TH-cam requires a heck of a lot of subscribers. Hundreds of thousands actually. John.
@@moviecollector5920 you just need to keep putting out genuine & heartfelt content without compromising the essence of this channel for more 'views'. All of the channels that have 500k subscribers at one time or another only had 100 subscribers then only 5k subscribers......... it's a process. You have touched my heart with your reviews and that isn't common for me , so if you have improved one jaded movie lovers quality of life are you not already a success? You are winning, trust me. No one does what you do with your experience and knowledge : )
@@Drago-746 It was just that the Star Wars video that got me a bit down Matthias because all that work and there was little interest. I played with the title and then things started to pick up and then changed the thumbnail so people thought it was the usual 4K review and then it took off. I've done a 4K review of Hacksaw Ridge which I'll probably upload for tomorrow evening and I won't be surprised if that does better than the Star Wars video for the first couple of days. Ridiculous really but that's the way it is. Thank you for all the encouragement. I know there is a very good group of film enthusiasts following this channel and that's always been enough... until I sunk far too much time into the Star Wars video. Over the next few months it may turn out to be a good success though so time is going to tell and if it is a success then I may tackle something similar on the Star Trek movies after all. John.
@@RoyMurphy1 I think it's unpopular because it's not a basic 4K review video. It might get completely lost as a result but it might be a good thing because I have been putting too much time into all this and it really isn't worth it. More basic videos in future perhaps... and maybe I should practice wearing a back to front baseball cap and using the word "guys" in every sentence! Then again, maybe not. John.
@@moviecollector5920 AHH I hope you continue to do these vids, You have a great wealth of knowledge and experience of film .......And you have thousands of fans now😁 And I'm sure we all look forward to new vids....stay positive John👍
Dear John. Today there is an important home video anniversary here in Denmark. Today it is 25 years ago that the first DVD was issued, and the title was "Evita" with Madonna, Antonio Banderas and Jonathan Pryce. A VHS edition was also released on the same day. The sound was coded in Dolby Pro Logic, but the distributor Scanbox eventually learned to issue DVD´s in Dolby Digital. My wife, my brother and saw it at the cinema in February that year (1997), and we were very pleased with the movie, both the music and the spectacle . I got the soundtrack on CD at my birthday, April the 2nd. The CD was on my CD player for 14 days in a row. So we are having a home video jubilee tonight at our home. Three weeks later, October 22nd, the second DVD release was issued and that was Bille August´s : Miss Smilla´s Sense of Snow with Julia Ormond, Gabriel Byrne, Richard Harris and Peter Capaldi before he became Malcolm Tucker. It was also issued by Scanbox coded in Dolby Pro Logic.
DVD was a long time coming after CD-I was pulled but it did fuel the LaserDisc market and that wasn't a bad thing. I don't know what the first DVD was over here but i remember there were only four titles available when the first DVD player was available and one of them, a Wallace & Gromit cartoon, came with the player. It looked fabulous by the way but hardly anyone bought the first player so that was the end of that. It seemed to take many months before a dozen titles were available and I got t couple of them back then. Second generation players were better than that first machine but suffered from slipping sound synchronization. It took a couple of years to get the new format right but thankfully the MPEG digital audio was quickly dropped and that's how the Region 2 area ended up with Dolby Digital sound as the standard. Now we're getting 4K discs and many of them are just like looking at 35mm prints. I never would have thought that home video would get this good, particularly not for such a low cost. Quality like we are getting today should cost hundreds of pounds but £20 a disc is about the average. Amazing. John.
You're not alone there David. I think it's the most important film in terms of affecting peoples lives. It certainly had an effect on me and I've never recovered! John.
Sorry the video went on a bit but I'd been asked over and over again to review the 4K disc and I didn't just want to do that. We only get a chance to cover a film once so I made something that I hope is a bit more interesting and informative than telling everyone there's been a lot of noise reduction applied... which I don't think I even bothered going into because I thought it looked good and not excessive. I do prefer Star Wars to have its inherent film grain though. John.
I was one of the lucky few in this country who got to see Star Wars a full 10 days before its first screening. The Sunday Mirror at the time back in 1977 ran an art competion, with the prize being an all expenses paid trip to the December 17th 1977 press screening in the private cinema in Twentieth Century House in Soho Square. Very plush and memorable, although the press pack and guests got the best seats, of course.
Me Mum took me to Ipswich to see Star Wars in 1978 and I have been in love with the theatrical original trilogy ever since. I have 4K77 and 4K83 and they are beautiful!!
4K80 must be coming soon as one of the people working on it was on here some time ago so surely it will be ready soon. I have all three on Super 8 and although none are top examples of the Super 8 gauge, there's nothing like having the original versions on the big screen. John.
Terrific video once again. Marvellous information on the formats. Always a joy watching the journey from cinema release through the various stages of home release.
Thank you Kieran. The funny thing is that some younger audience members complain that I talk about other things besides the latest disc release. But then, I didn't start this channel for the casual movie watcher, I did if for true film enthusiast and we certainly have a good number of true enthusiasts commenting every time I put something up. So while this video has so far proved to be a bit of a flop it's still nice to converse with people who love film and all aspects of film history. John.
Grest recap/review here Jon! I didn’t catch star wars special edition in theatres but i did see Empire and ROTJ with my uncle back in… ‘97 I believe it was. For me, as someone who was born the year after ROTJ was released it was nice to catch them. I don’t recall how big the screen was but as a 13 yr old it was big lol I had every VHS release from 90s on, special edition etc, dvd, blu-ray but not UHD. That’s next!
Well JB, you'll not only have to take a look at the 4K but you'll also have to get that Elmo GS1200 Super 8 projector you've been promising yourself and track down a Super 8 print! Then again, that may prove to be a little expensive these days. John.
Thank you for showing us your collection John. As a kid of the 2000's, the prequels will always hold a special place in my heart even if I do accept that they have some pretty rough spots. I only watched the original trilogy as an adult and while Empire and Return didn't impress me as much, the first movie did blow me away, what a fantastic experience. I can't even imagine what it must have been like for audiences in the 70's to watch this for the first time. Sadly I think we won't get the original, non-CG versions of the trilogy released for wide consumption until Lucas passes away. For whatever reason he seems to loathe them now.
It's a shame that so many people haven't really ever seen Star Wars as it was because it really is special. I can understand George Lucas being frustrated that he couldn't get the film finished as he wanted in 1977 but he was totally immersed in every aspect of it and couldn't see the film the way we all did. Some of the additions would have improved that first version but very few of them. If the 4K77 work ever does get the green light for a legal release then I'd certainly take a look at what they've done and I'm sure it will prove to be the best home movie version ever released but until then the Super 8 remains in the top spot. John.
@@deanrussell2224 The contractual arrangements for Star Wars were different so there could be something hiding away that necessitates it's never issued again as it wouldn't be worth the expense and the trouble. I'd have thought that now Disney own 20th Century Fox all of the rights to all of the films would have fallen under their ownership but apparently not. John.
Another great video, thank you John. I had no idea sprockets on 16mm could be either single or double! Fascinating! If you ever need any idea for a future video, a retrospective on Cannon Cinemas would be great. Cheers
Thank you Ben. Sadly I know nothing about Cannon Cinemas other than they had darned good daysets to splice into the adverts, trailers and movie introductions. They seemed to own everything during the late 1980s but have gone now. John.
Never heard of Star Wars released in Dimension 150. That must have been fantastic! 70mm was old hat by the time Star Wars was released in 1977 and arguably on its way out. The revolution that Star Wars truly sparked was in sound. Dolby already had a four-channel noise reduction system that was first deployed for the 1976 Barbara Streisand remake of A Star Is Born. Using only four of Todd-AO/Cinemascope six -track sound format (five across the screen, one surround), Dolby took it one step further with Star Wars by creating mini subwoofers out of the two unused screen speakers (center-left and center-right). That created the remarkable bass response that matched the images and thrilled audiences. Dolby called it the Baby Boom, although they never marketed it that way. The popularity of the six-track Dolby sound system spawned by Star Wars caused a rapid outfitting of cinemas with the system and the rest is history. In 1978, the separation of the single surround channel into left and right was tested in a couple of theatres with Superman. Apocalypse Now was the first film to use the final 5.2 system that became the standard throughout the 80s and 90s until the dawn of digital cinema sound. Back to Star Wars, part of what Dolby invented for Streisand was encoding the four sound tracks on the two optical stereo channels on 35mm prints. So the Star Wars 35mm prints had the same sound as the 70mm, only without the sub woofer tracks. The combination of noise reduction and more tracks offered improved sound quality even in small and medium-sized houses that could only show 35mm prints.
What great information Mike. Thank you for taking the time. Now then, what was the sound format on the 35mm prints of Rollerball because I've long thought that it was Dolby Stereo but from what you've said it seems to have been something else. The label applied was 'Dolby System' at the time but that was the same as the label on Star Wars. D-150 should be resurrected now that cinema is on its knees and looking like it's on the way out. Something is required to tempt more general audiences back now that the teenager/twenty something comic book superhero films aren't enough on their own. John.
I think I was 13. Just too early for me to really take in how it looked in terms of definition and all that sort of thing. It was a couple of years after this I really started comparing Super 8 releases and began to learn all about it. Star Wars is probably the most historic piece of cinema so it really should see the light of day again. If it doesn't get resurrected in 2027 then perhaps it will have to wait until George Lucas is gone which will be rather sad as his masterpiece deserves to be seen while he's here to take all the plaudits. I can see a big cinema re-release where only cinemas with film projection and massive screens get to show it. John.
Thank you Pavan. Nice to know you enjoyed this one. I could do with watching the original film again so I'll get one of those Super 8 feature copies through a projector in our home cinema soon. The home cinema is actually completed now and everything is working... for the time being no doubt! John.
Good morning Pinoy. It's a bit like a trip into your amazing home cinema room isn't it? We're two people on opposite sides of the world with a similar love of the Star Wars films. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Fingers crossed for that! And - if it's any consolation to you, I will likely watch it multiple times, just to soak in all the information and enjoy it again. As a footnote, I will add that I have downloaded all 4k projects (4k77/80/83), the non-DNR versions. The filesizes are large (bd-100 level for 77/83) and they look spectacular when projected! I must say, the original 77 film looks almost like a "grindhouse" version of SW compared to the ultra clean Disney look of the 4k UHD. It felt almost like watching a Tarantino film. So good to have it the way it was shown on 35mm in 77. Han Solo shot first! :-) Thanks again.
@@tullebob1683 I need to have yet another look at my Star Wars Super 8 print because I'm not sure Greedo even gets a shot off. Perhaps I've just never noticed it because I liked the portrayal of Han Solo as a ruthless bastard! My recollection of Star Wars has always been of a bit of a grainy film but that could be down to having it on Super 8 for over 30 years. I was only 13 when I saw it at the cinema so a little too young to have really taken notice - Apocalypse Now about a year later was the film that really made me sit up and take notice of how films really looked but it was only when I saw that again in 1980 that I marvelled at the look of it. The trouble is with scanning each frame of a film is that it picks up every bit of film grain and enhances the edges of it. That is why all cine transfers done via a scanner have image noise reduction applied. Star Wars was strikingly clean and a little too sharp to be a genuine representation of how it originally looked but it hadn't been so overdone as to generate the waxy look on skin. I suspect most youngsters will have really liked that look but I'd have preferred something more akin to the original realism of 1977/78. John.
I saw Star Wars 5 times at the theater. Every time was with different people. I also had the silent B&W reel and I watched so many times. I enjoy the 4k quality but would rather they be available in the original version. The JJ movies I liked the 1st and 3rd movie but the 2nd I thought was real poor. Rogue One I thought was really good. I enjoyed it a lot. The 4K77 I have seen and it brought me back to how I enjoyed the original movie. But as you say, it would be nice if the powers to be would authorize that copy. The original teaser if I remember had completely different music play with it and I remember back then being so excited for the movie every time I saw it.
Surprisingly similar memories to my own Stephen. We also agree on the Disney films because I like the J.J. Abrams films but not the one in the middle. Although that film, The Last Jedi, does have the most amazing opening act of any Star Wars film. I was really enthused while that was first running through but after that I found it all a bit boring and rather depressing. By the end of it I was chucking rotten fruit at the screen! Okay, I made that last bit up. John.
Nice retrospective, John, and great to see some of your old film versions of SW. Although you are joking when you say catch it in an IMAX near you, right? :) I think there's one genuine IMAX left in the country isn't there, and it's certainly nowhere near most of us! We did used to have one in B'ham and I very much lament its closure. Paul
There are still genuine IMAX cinemas around the nation but whether or not they ever get the chance to put a genuine IMAX film on is another matter. I suppose we'll find out when Oppenheimer is released and if it's only really the BFI IMAX that still has the capability then I'll see you and everyone else there! I saw 'Special Effects' in Bradford and if they've done away with film when they are the museum for the format then they really have let us all down. John.
Thank you Roy. This Star Wars video has certainly been a slow burn but it's done much better after the first day or two and has actually brought in a few extra subscribers so it's funny how things turn out sometimes. John.
Great video John. I was lucky enough to get the steelbook of this with I think the original cover art. I thought the picture quality was great, what struck me was how the creators created that used worn in look to the droids and everything else, you could see the scratches on R2D2 that I hadn’t noticed before on home video.
Oh yes, the droids have always looked beaten up but I think that up until the 4K it's only been the Super 8 features that have been good enough to pick up that sort of detail... and they're not exactly perfect prints in terms of how good Super 8 can be. John.
Bravo sir, really interesting stuff. I hope you are going to talk about the other two parts of the original series as well, in terms of the 4k review. I can never get over the fact that you have actual film reels.
Sadly this video isn't proving to do too well so far Timothy so if that remains the case then I doubt I'll ever spend days producing anything quite like it again. I was hoping to have an excuse to do something similar with the Star Trek films but I think my main audience is primarily for 4K disc reviews on their own. We'll see how this one does over time. John.
Thank You very much for thee review. It's been a while since I've visited your channel. BTW the projector you recommended from Optoma worked amazing. thanks for that. It is really something to enjoy 4k movies at home that way
I'm pleased that you're pleased with your Optoma video projector. There's nothing like projecting to get the best out of a film. I grew up with Super 8 home movie projectors so it was always logical to video project as soon as it didn't look so awful (about 16 years ago video projection finally became viable) but it seems that a lot of movie enthusiasts have stuck with a telly and that's possibly because they've never known projection. I suppose it's all a big unknown whereas the box has always been there. A smaller telly and a budget video projector is the way to go for most of us. John.
Probably not David. Such a shame that the Special Edition hasn't been re-worked into something a little more suitable for the 1977 release because a combination of the best of both would probably make the best version of the lot... but some of the computer animation might have to be toned down a little as it's too 'in yer face'. John.
Absolutely brilliant John, fascinating video. Aside of actual film I've owned the original Star Wars trilogy on everything. I'll never forget back in 1998 on a trip to Florida I found the Trilogy Special Edition Laser Disc set with AC3 sound for $100, I still have it here in fact. The AC3 audio was astonishing, when we first moved into this house early 2000 we got our 5.1 system up and running and I binged all three films with the Wife. To this day when we watch Return Of The Jedi and Jabbas barge explodes the wife will look at me with a smile on her face, thankfully it still sounds as good today on the 4K disc as it did on the AC3 Laser Disc 22 years ago. When you mentioned the curved cinema screens I had a flash back to a time when I was very very young on a holiday to Blackpool, my father took me into a dome on the Pleasure Beach called Cinema 2000, I think they had one on central pier too. You stood in front of this huge curved screen which showed some 70's car chases etc, one thing that sticks in my mind is a helicopter flight where the helicopter goes over the edge of the Grand Canyon, I distinctly remember my fathers hands on my shoulders and me holding onto his trousers behind me because I felt like I was going to fall over. Brilliant, and a bloody good memory of time with my Dad bless him.
Let's face it, we're a couple of cine addicts! You have some wonderful memories there and it's lovely that so many people such as yourself have contributed to this great conversation on our memories of Star Wars. There's a documentary to be made on this subject but no one has ever thought of it... until now. I don't know what it was that you saw at Blackpool though unless it was a mobile Cinerama so can you remember roughly the year? It might have been D-150 now that I'm thinking about it. John.
John, do a search on TH-cam for Cinema 180 Film - 70mm - Compilation from Colossos and Fantastic Flight.. This is a flavour of what I saw with my Father around 1980 in the Cinema 2000 attraction.
@@LeShark75 Aha, that was a half Circlorama presentation then. Sadly neither the half circle or the full circle were ever anything more than fair ground attractions. I saw a fabulous full circle at Futuroscope in the early 90's which put us in all sorts of 'dangerous' situations. John.
What an episode!! So much memorabilia that I have never seen or heard of! So much interesting details about every release! I can easily feel the love and nostalgia. What was the book you grabbed for reading in the end? Indeed, sterol is the best way to describe the way all the new Star Wars releases and re-releases look. I can't help it but agree that a lot of computer effects and additions (multiplying the squadrons here and there) were for the better, but obviously not all of them. This is one more reason why I love the fan made Harmy's Despecialized Edition - they kept the best from all the editions and edited the final version in a way, which looks and feels like the original release; the great old magic is in it! Ow, by the way, it is great that you gave your acknowledgement to 4K77 (4K83) release. Those people did a tremendous job: gave so much time and dedication to that project. The result speaks for itself! I was fascinated by the original trilogy, when I saw it in late 80's. But then school started and I became too busy to think about it. Perfect timing, ha! )) John, this is a great episode! Thank you very much for it. I saw it twice and will probably keep it on my phone for some travel to the mountains. Your documentaries and reviews are a special fun watching as I drive far - familiar voice, interesting content - great company! Dmitri
Very kind of you to say so Dmitri. I did put far too much time into this one but my thinking was that if I'm going to finally do Star Wars then I'd better do it properly. Initially it proved to be a complete flop so I massaged things along a little and it's started to find a bit of an audience now but nowhere near what it should have done yet. It's a shame because I was planning to do something along the same lines for Star Trek but that will have to wait now. The book was the original novelization of Star Wars that came out as one of those many promotional items. It has George Lucas down as the author but I doubt that's true. I can't imagine not being around when this film was first released. It changed the world and it changed the lives of little boys in particular. Many of us have never forgotten the thrill of seeing that iconic opening (without 'Episode IV A New Hope leading that opening scrawl) followed by the spaceships coming over our heads, particularly the Star Destroyer. Youngsters today can't possibly imagine what that was like at that time because as a result of Star Wars, special effects laden films have dominated the market ever since. It all really started with Star Wars and us paying our money at the box office to see it more than once. Such a shame that the special editions have rather messed things up for those of us that were there when this masterpiece was first in cinemas across the world. By the way, the chaps are working on 4K80. One of them left a comment on one of my videos a while ago but I wasn't really able to mention that at any time because I would feel awful if they were to be found out and get into trouble as a result of me saying something. I have the three films on Super 8 and that's all I need to be able to enjoy them as they once were but it would be nice for everyone to be able to see them in good quality. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Star Wars trilogy did make a big impact on me, even though I saw it on a small screen for the first time - my imagination stepped in. It created a world, that my friends and I really wanted to visit. It was so vastly different than any other scifi movie I saw by that time: Aliens, Creatures, Abyss, Leviathan, Terminator, etc. There have been quite a few of them by late 80's & early 90's. You did a wonderful retrospective! I would love to see the Star Trek if you still wish to make it. I am not a very big fan of it, but I would love to learn more about it. If you did Twilight Zone some day, that would be wonderful! You did the right thing for 4K80 team. It is better to stay careful. How did the car documentary go??? I would really like to hear about it! Enjoy the magical season! Best wishes. Dmitri
@@dmitripopov8570 I would have purchased Star Trek VI in HMV on Saturday if they'd have had it and just done a review around that but alas, it had sold out. The only one of the five that had actually. Just like Star Wars, the Star Trek films really need to be seen on huge screens to get the best out of them. The special effects are just that - special. Seeing the sixth film in The Empire via a 70mm blow-up on their huge screen and glorious THX sound system was one of the most memorable cinema experiences I've ever had and that very screening is what led to me having a home THX Ultra sound system. I've almost finished a Leyland National bus production but the World Cup Rally 50th anniversary documentary will have to wait until next year to get finished as it hasn't been possible to get everything and everyone on camera so far. That one may be the last disc release I ever do so it's got to be good. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I am so embarrassed, John... I have never seen a single Star Trek movie. I heard the Wrath of Khan is considered to be the best one - not sure if that is the 6th one or not. I will watch both as soon as opportunity arises! It has to be with a group of friends though. I understood that the 70mm visual and THX audio presentation made it so memorable. But is the story good too? I would love to see your next documentary. Please, let me know when it is done. So, you do all the interviews by yourself, or you have a team? You obviously are a great communicator, so you probably only make basic layout of themes for questions, and not a list of questions themselves. The MG annual event documentary showed your great skills very well. Looking forward to the documentary! Enjoy making it!!! Dmitri
@@dmitripopov8570 I think to appreciate how good some of the Star Trek films are you have to know the original series because it's the relationships between the characters that really count. The first film 'Star Trek The Motion Picture' largely misunderstood the characters and combined with a poor, predictable storyline made it a bit of a disappointment for many of us in 1979. But that one is a film that has improved with age and is more acceptable today. 'Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan' is a sequel to a television episode called 'Space Seed' and for the film director Nicholas Meyer enticed Ricardo Montalban back to reprise the role of Khan. 'Star Trek III The Search for Spock' wasn't quite as good but 'Star Trek IV The Voyage Home' was. That one saw the cast time travel back to Earth in 1984 or 85 and it was hilarious as well as a brilliant adventure. 'Star Trek V The Final Frontier' was hamstrung from the start because it was implied as a story where God had been found so we all knew the ending was therefore going to be a disappointment and it was. 'Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country' was a murder mystery adventure that was probably as good as it was because Nicholas Meyer returned as Director and infused the old Star Trek magic back into the mix. It has never been as good as that first viewing at The Empire but it's is such an impressive film and a great way for [most of] the original cast to sign off that it's remained a magical film for me to this day. Just the opening with the fabulous score leading into silence and then an exploding moon tells you that you are about to be in for something rather special. So if you fancy giving the Star Trek films a go I do think a few of the original television episodes should be watched first. If you can find 'The City on the Edge of Forever' and 'The Deadly Years' they would probably be two of the best to set you on your way. I do everything myself for the documentaries. Wifey is my assistant and often handles second camera duties and sometimes primary camera duties. I used to use three cameras for many of the interviews but over the years we've assembled increasingly better equipment and sometimes now I get away with using one camera. Each interview is different though and sometimes learning all about a person is vital before even thinking about what questions to ask. Some of the best interviews have been when I don't know anything much about a person and we simply chat for a while before putting the cameras on so I know what to ask. There aren't many people that can carry off a decent interview and I didn't know I could do it until I started back in 2006/7. I was so nervous the first time that I couldn't write the questions down so I just winged it. Turned out to be the best thing I could have done otherwise I'd have probably made a complete mess of it. John.
As always John a superb video. It's really good to see your memorabilia which clearly shows your love of Star Wars. It's very palpable that you are sad it has been tampered with and not been given the light of day it deserves in it 1977 theatrical form. I think Disney need to bite the bullet and get on board with the 4K restoration those people have been working on. I've seen some videos on what they managed. It's incredible the detail that is present on the film. Nice one John Trevor
When the negative was brought out of storage in 1997 it had faded and was too far gone to use in a few places and that's where the Technicolor print came in to create the too faded sections. However, what that means is a duplicate negative of the original film was struck back then and will still exist today. I suspect there is a contractual agreement between George Lucas and Disney about the original version of the film and that is why we haven't seen it up to now. There's a massive money earner waiting in the wings for someone there but it's odd that they haven't shut down all the fan works if there are plans or a scheme to re-release the original masterpiece. There are parts of the re-hashed versions that I simply cannot bear to watch and it seems there are a lot of us out there who have the same problem. All the rubbish flying around the Stormtroopers in Mos Eisley is the worst part I can think of but that Jabba The Hut sequence probably takes the biscuit. Fun to see it once or as an outtake but for God's sake, just get rid of it!!! Sorry for the rant Trevor. Hope all is well now you're 300. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Rant away my friend, rant away. Let it out, don't hold back! 😆 The more I can watch of Star Wars the better but adding in unnecessary creatures and things that walk in front of the main scene was stupid. I think the edition of some of the flying probes helps tie it in to the Prequel Trilogy. The Empire are clearly looking for rebels so the odd probe can be justified. Not too many though and they don't need to be in our face. The fly over of Mos Esely I like but it really doesn't sit well with the rest of the films picture quality. I'm definitely getting a steady trickle of new subscribers now. SPARTAAAAA!!! Trev
@@doublebillmovies I think the only addition that was required to the entire film was when the Millenium Falcon arrives on the Yavin moon because there is a shot of a guard tracking it with a hand held device but no sign of the Falcon. A distant, blurry, miniature Falcon would have done the trick there. But that's all that was required as far as I am concerned and then the entire film would have been 'fixed'. Better still, do nothing and leave it as the piece of cinematic history is was. Other than some of the awful computer animation, the subtitles when Greedo is talking... we never had those in 1977/78 and they are completely superfluous because Han Solo is telling us what Greedo is saying. Takes you out of the film and ruins that whole section. Grrrrrrr. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Feeling better now. There there 😆 Yes mate after all, it's the original 1977 film that exploded on to the scene and wowed the world. Not a myriad of ammendments. People were never confused by Greedo and as you said. Han was filling us in anyway. We need a 100% original 1977 cut of the movie. But with BD technology, you can put all the editions on the disc and allow the viewers to add in whatever they choose for their perfect version. I don't know why the BD features are being exploited like that.
@@doublebillmovies I think a double disc would do the trick because all the seamless branching required to create both versions of Star Wars would inevitably be far too much work and there would always be something that would go wrong or be criticized by some.
@@moviecollector5920 I know how much time it takes to prepare and finalize such a video. I am currently working on something in the same direction, about Star Wars on the German market only. It takes ages :))
@@off2-Super8 Please drop me a link to it when it's up otherwise I might miss it. I don't have either of the Marketing Film Super 8 releases of Star Wars so it will be good to see them if you include them. John.
I saw the first two 'special edition' releases at the Odeon Marble Arch but have never watched them again. I didn't bother ever seeing the 'special' of Return of the Jedi. I have dipped into all of them on LaserDisc though and I think the Death Star battle in Star Wars might be even better on the 'Special Edition'... but I'll always prefer to see the original artistry. John.
I also saw that Special Effects show in IMAX when i was a kid and the recreated scene with the Star Destroyer chasing the Tantive IV was amazing. I actually thought that was going to be used for the opening shot in the Special Edition and didn't realise at the time it was specifically done for the doc.
I saw SW many times at that Edwards Newport theater, it was great! Folks were so excited pre show, it was a real event like a sporting event or a rock show. The 4K looks great on my 120" scope screen, but as you say it is not large to convey the impact as when it was originally shown. Also it is too clean, grain is reduced, no dirt, scratches, etc. In the film there is a cigarette burn/sound pop reel change after Cushing says "We will crush the rebellion with one swift stroke!" When watching the 4k of course this is not there, just silence till the next scene. It struck me then that a lot of my memories of SW are tied to the film medium and the presentation method in the theater as much as the content of the movie. Anyway still glad for the 4K HDR format, many movies look like 35 mm prints to me, albeit very clean ones.
4K is proving to be excellent Carl and the closest representation to an actual film that video has ever achieved. Film dirt, neg dust and scratches have a different appearance somehow even on 4K and are distracting whereas on film they are not. It must be something to do with the methodology of the projection or the way video is translated onto a telly but something isn't quite as forgiving as real film. I'm really quite excited to have a comment from someone who actually saw Star Wars on that enormous Edwards Newport screen. Imagine being able to go into a traditional picture palace today that boasted a 75 foot 2.20:1 screen. All we have today that equate to it are giant IMAX screens and some of those aren't really IMAX. But no masking or curtains, that's the big difference. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Curtains! Yes the curtains were closed over the screen and you would sit and listen to Music before the show, I miss that aspect of going to the theater. I was fortunate to live a short drive from the Newport so we saw all of the big films there, SW, Indiana Jones, Bond, etc. Waited in line for 2+ hours to make sure you could get the perfect seat! Sometime during the course of the SW release they upgraded the sound system to get the back channel echo effect when Luke/Leia do the Tarzan swing. So that kept SW going for several more months! Good Times.
@@carlbarlow6942 The showmanship has largely gone from cinemas now. Even most of the projectionists have been replaced by someone who can press a button. John.
I’m quite the Star Wars fiend, so I’ve been waiting/hoping for this one for over a year now 😆 Thanks for the great review, John! My favorite version is the widescreen THX remaster on VHS (non-special edition). Vhs isn’t the best of course, but I always like getting the tapes out of the little collectors box it came in.
I think we should start a Babu Frik fan club Timothy! I still think the Super 8 prints are the best {legal) versions available in spite of this 4K being so good but because it's not the original version of the film there's something not quite right to my mind. John.
Such a fantastic video. Star Wars is such a special thing for me. It may have been the first movie I remember watching. I only ever saw Star Wars and empire on TV’s until the Special editions in 1997. Watched them all in the cinema and whilst not a fan of the alterations, was blown away by how amazing it looked on the big screen. The executor VHS tin box set is the only copy I own on physical media as I only wanted the Original untouched movies. Of course many fans have re created them digitally and I have watched those with amazement. So much better than the VHS. There’s a fellow called Adywan and his versions are a mash up of slight alterations and his own additions to make an ultimate “fan edit” so to speak. I’d buy the original versions on disc in a heartbeat if they were available. But they’re not. Such a shame. That 16mm trailer must look amazing projected!
I haven't actually run that 16mm trailer for years now but I really must do so. That little reel has an extract from Alien on it too so quite a bit of cinema history from the late 1970's. Judging by the comments on here it seems that there are a lot of us who prefer to see the original versions of the films to the re-hashes. I do think there is some contractual reasons why both versions are not made available as it makes no sense to miss out on all the extra revenue that could be generated from selling a pack that contained them both. As it is, the best legal releases of the original films are still the 'Scope Super 8 feature releases. Quite amazing after all these years really. John.
I've been trying to think of a more important film in history than Star Wars since making this video but so far I haven't come up with one. I'd never really thought about this before and I'm sure others would suggest something older but I don't think there is any film that has had such an effect on the world as Star Wars. Having said that, I never went swimming again after Jaws in 1975! John.
Thank you Saint. This video has been a bit of a flop so far which I have to admit that I've found a little annoying after about four days work. Oh well, you can't win 'em all. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Time between vids effect views. Checked in with you three times before this was available. Over time "The Force Will Be With You"! #StarWars
@@saint6563 It may do alright in the end but I don't think I've ever been so disappointed in a video. It's very strange after all the requests to look at the 4K of Star Wars but I suppose that's all I should have done so lesson learned. John.
@@moviecollector5920 3K views in 2 days!! It could very well go to 12K in 2 weeks. Star Wars fans are rabid, so listening to them is not advised. Nonetheless, you have created a vid to be proud of + the Video Community appreciates it as well!!
John you're not hashtagging your vids. Check out Disney's resent "Andor" vid & push on the hashtag to other "Andor". You should hashtag this vid: #StarWars #4K #4KUHD #Bluray etc...
This has become one of my favorite TH-cam channels, fantastic content as always. Your passion and love for cinema comes across in every video
Thank you for saying so. This video was a little too over the top for how well it's done but maybe it will have done better when I take a look in six months time. John.
"I absolutely love your channel! You truly deserve your own cinema, where all your fans can visit and enjoy movies the way they’re meant to be watched. Keep up the amazing work!"
It's sad that there's not a market for cinema any longer. It would be nice to be able to go to a local and appreciate the presentation and quality that we used to enjoy years ago, but alas, apart from a few special cinemas here and there, those days have gone. Imagine being able to see the original Star Wars on the same quality Technicolor prints that the premiere houses had back in 1977 and 1978 today. That would draw the crowds.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Hey John,
I really hope you get a big boost in views soon and that your channel reaches millions of subscribers! Wouldn’t it be amazing if that dream came true? Your account is absolutely fantastic, and I can totally see it happening! 🌟
As for your comment, you’re so right-it’s a shame the magic of old-school cinemas has mostly disappeared. But imagine this: a revival night at an authentic cinema with those stunning Technicolor Star Wars prints from 1977. People would be lining up around the block for that (and I’d be right there at the front with popcorn in hand 🍿).
So, here’s to you getting more views, more subscribers, and maybe someday a cinema bringing your dream to life. After all, dreams are meant to come true, right? 😉
Best wishes and good luck,
Another great video. Keep up the good work.
We’ve had Star Wars in so many formats over the years inc VHS, DVD, Laserdisc, Blu-ray and now the new 4K releases. I’ve got the despecialised version of the original and hold no guilt playing that every now and then when I want a pure hit!
You mean you don't have the Super 8 features John? And I thought you were a Star Wars fan!!!
John.
I didn’t have the super 8 myself but I remember seeing as a 9 year old at school in assembly the tatooine desert scene projected. It was only a few minutes from what I remember but it still was amazing and is still my fave scene in the film. Gives me goosebumps!
@@JohnDoe-uu2zs I don't think children today would be able to understand the magic of being able to see those Super 8 reels back in 1977 before the film was even released to cinemas over here. It was an amazing time and it's still a dream come true for me that we are able to purchased films on video in such good quality for so little and watch them in our own home cinemas. I may not be a child any longer but I've never grown up, that's for sure. John.
What a wonderful essay. Thank you for such an informative video.
I was lucky enough to see Star Wars at the cinema in ‘78… at 6 years old 😊
I think I was 13 Coyley and it is probably a major reason why I've had a lifelong love of film. Being introduced to Super 8 at the age of 2 or 3, seeing Jaws in 1975, Star Wars in 1978 and then not being allowed to see Alien in 1979 are all the catalysts for why I ended up a complete basket case! John.
Graham here. We all knew back in the 70s "Star wars "was something special. I saw it in the then Bombay in a 70mm print. Till this day I remember the beauty of it all with those wonderful colours and of course the big wide screen which is so Necessary to view "Star Wars" in all it's glory. Definitely one of your top reviews John you can tell your heart is in it.
Thank you Graham. I had been asked to review that 4K Star Wars disc many times but it really wasn't something I wanted to see owing to all the added animation. What is disappointing is that it's not been a very popular video but picking up now from a very lowly position. Up until last night it was one of the worst performing videos I've ever done. It's a funny old world. John.
@@moviecollector5920 may the force be with you. I'm certain this will have many more views.
I had first seen SW at the theaters in 1977. When the Star Destroyer came overhead my jaw hit the floor and I dont think it ever came off the floor. I have the original version on laser disc as well as the box set of the special editions. One collectible is the full story of SW on two LP set. I now have the Blu Ray box set of all the movies. I just finished watching Lights and Magic, the documentary of ILM on Disney+. Ive enjoyed all the movies including the side projects (Rogue One, Solo and Obi Won Kenobi Etc etc etc}.
I think the only Star Wars I've seen that I really didn't like was The Last Jedi and then the second and third films in the prequel trilogy. I haven't seen any of the television series but I expect I will sometime. I just hope they make a series with Babu Frik as the lead character!
John.
I saw the film in 70mm on it initial release at the Paris Theatre in Brisbane , Queensland , Australia.
I saw The Empire Strikes Back at the Coronet Theatre in 1980 in 70mm in San Francisco. In 1997 I saw the re-release at the Edward's Theatre in Newport Beach on their giant screen.
We still have some giant screens around but it seems that Star Wars never gets the benefit of a real film print to screen on them now. I suppose it would only be the 1997 re-worked version if it did. I'd like to see an original Technicolor print on a huuuuuuuge screen but I think I'm dreaming there. It's never likely to happen.
John.
John, I’m sure I speak for many subscribers when I tell you how much we appreciate this review. Love the fact you did a proper deep dive. You reminded me of the long wait between the US release, then the Leicester Square and West End release, then everywhere else. What torture that was. I went with my older brother in 1978-perhaps 1979, it’s remarkable to think how long films stayed in the cinemas back then. Love your lobby cards, it never ceases to amaze me how many of us have collected so much Star Wars ephemera. It really did change the world. I’m off to watch my old VHS recorded off the TV in 1982 😂
Is it the ”no pan&scan” version? Thats nostalgia for me.
That is certainly going to be panned and scanned Ghost, complete with adverts unless Darth managed to use the pause button successfully during the breaks. John.
Darth, I was collecting the red versions of the bubble gum cards and although I never managed to attain the lot before the film was first released over here, I did finally get to see it knowing every single scene from those cards and the Super 8 200ft reel by then. If I'd have been more cinema aware I'd have known that it was on in the West End and badgered my parents to take us to see it. I really would love to be able to say I was lucky enough to see the D-150 presentation at the Odeon Marble Arch but sadly it was Star Wars that began my fascination of all things cinema so I wasn't as switched on as I was to become after that life changing experience of first seeing Star Wars on a big screen.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thats brilliant- the bubble gum cards being your own trailer/sneak preview. our local cinemas would show all movies on a pretty tight schedule, and back then they didn’t care if you stayed and watched it again, we used to do that quite a bit. Another lost moment was the supporting movies- I can remember an old Spider-Man film and a Sinbad movie being on before the main film, I guess that was to help parents trying to offload their kids for as long as possible in the holidays. I’m never really sure why more cinemas don’t do retrospective showings of classics. I’ve been fortunate enough to see Star Wars and 2001 on the big screen, but never Jaws or Alien, which both warrant a full screen viewing.
@@ManCave1972 Jaws is on re-release right now Darth. It's being passed off as IMAX which of course it can't be and never could have been because it was shot 35mm but it might be a chance to see it in a purported IMAX cinema on a huge screen.... without any masking! I do wonder why it's been brought back though and it's possible it's because cinema is in serious trouble right now because there is hardly anything for them to screen. The last days of cinema as we have always known it perhaps? I hope not but I do have concerns.
By the way, I don't have any recollection of what the supporting films to Star Wars were back in 1978 when I saw it. And sadly those bubble gum card were accidentally thrown out when the family home was sold and I wasn't there to rescue all of my things.
John.
Great video. Small quibble, though. The US premiere was actually 25 May 1977. I know because I was there. Plitt Cinema in Orange, California. Life was very different for me after that day.
I might remove the video and scrap it then.
Fantastic video John . Star wars always be seeing for the first time with my Late Dad at my local cinema in 1978 was the best film experience l ever had in my life . I saw super 8 version of star wars at school in late 70s . I enjoyed Empire strikes Back Return of the Jedi with my dad . I recorded star wars in October 1982 when it was ltv and watched it every day for weeks l was 16 . I brought star wars on video in 1988 .l enjoyed every star wars film but nothing will more exciting than the original one . I have got star wars movies on 4k blue ray the box set you were showing. You got Fantastic collection John. Thanks for sharing. All the best to you .
I first went with my parents and brother when it was first on general release in 1978 Jonny, but we couldn't get in. This was partially because people back then could pay to go into a cinema and stay all day so not as many people vacated the cinema as usual in between each of those Star Wars screenings. That is what caused the end of 'continuous performances' and cinema staff all over Britain would soon thereafter usher everyone out of the auditorium prior to the next show. I went back a few days later after the disappointment of not getting in but this time with some school friends and got in. I then went again with my family once more so I got to see the film it twice. I have never found that the film works on a telly and now that the original film is not permitted on home video I'm glad I have the Super 8 feature print even if it isn't the best quality ever issued on the gauge.
John.
I love this channel it's so good hearing someone be enthusiastic in the world we live in👍
Thank you Aurelio. No one sets out to make a bad film so I'll always try to give any production a chance and find the good in it even if I don't particularly like the film myself. John.
@@moviecollector5920 and that's much appreciated because I've fallen down the 4K rabbit hole and seem to be gradually replacing all my blu rays so really enjoy your reviews and passion for the content
Wow! What a review! Loved the ’A New Hope’ and ’The Empire Strikes Back’ radio drama.
Thank you Dunn. John.
This gentleman should have 5 million subscribers. No one does what he does. Incredible information. Presented as good as any National Geographic documentary. Extreme respect and admiration. Sir if I asked how many movie titles you own would you share that? Not how many disks or films. Just how many movie titles. I am very curious since I have a bigger than typical size collection. Thank you sir. For everything you do.
I really don't know how many. I estimate around 50 features on film prints, loads of feature cut downs on Super 8, loads of extracts, hundreds and hundreds of trailers and then dozens of cartoon shorts and dozens of newsreels and travelogues. Video discs will be around 1000 movies and about 100 television series I suppose. Enough to take probably more than ten years to get through the lot at current viewing rates.
And thank you for your kind words about the videos. I've just shot an 8mm projector and a Super 8 projector running so if that's turned out okay then I'll get that cut together and uploaded in the coming days.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 John thanks for the reply. I use an on line service to keep up with my ever growing collection. Right now I have nearly 6200 titles. These go way back to the beginning of dvd. About 20 percent are Blu-ray with a couple dozen 4ks for super important ones. Wish we lived close. I can imagine hours of great movie conversations over hot tea. Thanks again for what you do so well. Your knowledge is amazing.
I had the 200ft, black and white, and silent Super 8 print. I talked my 7th grade teacher into letting me show it to the class one day. Of course, I brought along my soundtrack album and played the music along with it on the old school phonograph. Wowed everyone that day, many of whom didn’t believe I was telling them the truth about having the print or were completely unaware it existed!
Wonderful story. Funny to think that most people are aware these Super 8 treasures ever existed to this day. John.
phenominal video, John!
funnily enough I was looking at 4K77 and 4K83 earlier today and I forgot how nice the colours look on it, the grain also looks very crisp and sharp thanks to no DNR used.
it would be amazing to see one of those 70mm blow up prints, perhaps for its 50th anniversary coming up in 2027, there might be a few screenings happening of this historic film.
I also hope disney publishes 4K77 and the other 4K projects. It would be unreal if they would screen them in cinemas too.
have a great day, John! I think I've got a 35mm dark knight coming soon, I haven't filmed it yet, but that will be in about a week. Then after that I'll be attending a screening of Drive on 35mm, which I'm interested to see how the 4K compares to a 35mm print seeing how they are both from a digital source.
Drive certainly will be interesting Clark. It's quite amazing how good that one looks on 4K disc given that it was never 4K so to see it blown up onto a real cinema screen will surely put that 35mm from the 2K video master to the test. The Dark Knight should also be interesting because of the VistaVision type effect from the genuine IMAX down to a 35mm anamorphic print.
I watched a TH-cam video about how 4K77 was done and I'm not surprised that dye-transfer Technicolor prints have been the main source because being dye they don't fade. Surprising to see such difference in the colour between two Technicolor prints though. Without using image noise reduction the grain is going to appear coarser and more visible than it ever was on the film prints. I suspect the ol' DNR has been used a little too liberally in the 4K Special Edition disc so I'd have preferred that none was used at all just so we could be sure of looking at a genuine representation of the film but most won't notice and will probably prefer the more sterile look. It is very good despite any misgivings I may have about noise reduction.
John.
I’m excited to hear the drive soundtrack in the cinema, not to mention it’s amazing visuals, I wonder if the Colour grade on the drive 4K will look the same as the 35mm print.
I prefer there be more course grain than no grain, it lets me know I’m seeing as much detail as possible.
I’m also interested in how the 1570 imax sequences look on 35mm for the dark knight.
Also, in this video you show a Star Wars super 8 print being projected and the picture is quite green, why is this?
Regards,
Clark
@@ClarkTeddles - According to the Second Sight 4K UHD Blu-ray marketing:
BRAND NEW 4K MASTER produced by the original post production company and approved by Nicolas Winding Refn
DOLBY VISION/HDR PRESENTATION with grade completed by the film's original colorist and Director approved
So, it should closely resemble the original colour grading of the theatrical run.
The 4k77 fella has THE best copies. Considering how many alternate original sound options there are it already beats the sterile Disney controlled versions that have never stopped being updated (we don't even have the original SE versions to watch) They look amazing, even ESB which is so far only a colour corrected grindhouse print. There is no other way to watch these films once you have copies. Same with the Raiders print they released.
@@HoorayTV21 I think we should probably say that there is no other way to watch them on video because many enthusiasts have film prints on one format or the other. I do have all three of the original trilogy on Super 8 and that was always good enough for the home, particularly with re-recorded sound or sound running in synch from the videos. And they're fully legal which is a bonus. If 4K77 ever gets official recognition then that will be a game changer and a whole load of us will no doubt pile in there. John.
Possibly your best video yet John, impressive.... most impressive 👍
That's a good one Andy. Thank you. I thought it might be the best yet when I finally completed it but sadly it's not yet finding the sort of size audience I was hoping for. That might change of course so we'll have to wait and see. John.
Very informative video loved it.I saw Star Wars in Jan 1978 with my mum at Tottenham court road and never forget that ship going over our heads at the beginning.
I think a lot of us have similar memories David but sadly, not of seeing it in the UK premiere theatre. Keep that memory safe! John.
Excellent review John, I remember queing to see it in 1977 at my local Odeon as a 11 year old. Looks like I will have to save up for these on 4k!!!
I think I was 13 when I queued up to see it at my local ABC. I think it was responsible for kick starting my love of all things cinema but I had been into Super 8 on a lesser basis for years up to the time Star Wars appeared. John.
As always John a fabulous dive into what’s probably almost all of the communities favourite film - I think TH-cam was made for Star Wars discourse - my dad picked me up from school in his 1600E as a surprise and I took him as a surprise in 97 for the special edition - the star destroyer looming in overhead is one of those shots, moments and memories that anyone of a certain age has a fondness for - as always thank you for the review and the nod to dog soldiers as well - got my copy from second sight and can’t recommend it enough
That opening with the two ships has to be one of the best - if not, the best - openings to a film ever. To see it in genuine IMAX was even better so I hope prints of that Special Effects IMAX film still exist so that I get another chance to see again one day. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I’d love to see that myself - even when I put it on my digital projector in the house it still looks amazing - I think that the quality of the effects and the believably of the model work coupled with the spectacle and the fact that it just hadn’t been done before to that standard blew everyone away and it’s one of the reasons it has such a special resonance for people of a certain age - in 77/78 nothing could touch it and now it wouldn’t hit people in the same way - you can only get a first once and for sci fi it was Star Wars much like Psycho for suspense and the Exorcist for horror
@@deanrussell2224 And Jaws for Great White Sharks Dean. A darned good summing up of why so many of us still have such an affection for that first story set a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. John.
@@moviecollector5920 definitely Jaws and goodfellas for gangster films too
Such an amazing collection of Star Wars memorabilia John. It's truly amazing you have collected all these and kept them in such good condition
I did shoot a lot more collectibles Darren but didn't get them out of display cabinets and off the shelves so in the end I didn't use those shots as it rather spoiled the flow of the video... which isn't doing very well sadly. Time will tell if it was a complete waste of time though.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I imagine your home theatre collection to be like a history lesson of film. Regardless if the video gets lots of views, I think it worthwhile for the subscribers would enjoy and watch all your videos like me. I certainly enjoyed it and shared it with a Star Wars enthusiast friend
@@Darrenlovesmovies Thank you Darren. It might get around eventually but it's looking like the Monty Python parrot right about now. John.
Very good video to summarize the STAR WARS madness from these years, I was young but remembers.
I still have the madness but I'm getting better now... well, I would say that wouldn't I?!? John.
Saw all 3 Star War films in Hollywood and Beverly Hills movie theaters. I have the video on beta and vhs plus laser disc. Then dvd and now 4K DVD. Thanks for the review John.
Well, you'll just have to get the Super 8 copies now as well Craig! John.
Excellent John, fantastic video, keep up the Great Work 👍🏻
Thank you Gary. Got to hope this one manages to find an audience because it's proving to be a bit slow. John.
Great video again, John, and nice to see you back,
I thought I was the biggest Star Wars fan; such fond memories of seeing in 77 coming out n rejoining the queue.
I also have a super 8mm reel, but I never had or had the equipment to view it.
As for my hypothesis on why films will never make classic status, as you said, SW would be 10yrs old before you can own it physically. Unlike today when DVDs can be owned after six months, they collect dust.
I remember seeing the double bill also of SW and ESB, I also still have The Story of SW on vinyl which I now own on MP3 for the car.
Amazing Video John hope you are well
I think this was the biggest I've done so far Carl but there have been a few biggies in the past. This one did take a lot of planning but it seemed to turn out alright in the end so I hope it does really well otherwise I'll be a little miffed. Looks to be okay so far. Probably put five days into this one but certainly four so at least 30 hours. Your Super 8 reel was most likely before low fade stocks were introduced so you really need to get that through a projector soon to see if it's still good. Some were struck on low fade so you might find you're lucky. The later features are all struck on low fade stock so they should be alright for 100 years.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I think the Super 8 is the trailer reel,
thanks for the reply mate, I also have all the various DVDs and Videos inc the first Video VHS copy, but more recently got the big 4k box set which is amazing but its nice to own the different stages of the film , i never collected the laser disc era, I agree re the SE of the film and request a 4k of the OG film in atmos, that would be amazing, take care my friend , CARL .
Nice trip down Star Wars memory lane - Look forward to your Empire when it posts
Sadly I don't think I'll be able to do anything on the later films as this one hasn't proved to be popular at all so far. Let's hope that changes because I was hoping to do something similar for Star Trek. John.
@@moviecollector5920 dont let the broken YT algorithm discourage yah!
Wonderful, thanks John, as usual lots of things I was not aware of. My wife and I saw it when it was first released at the Leicester Square Theatre - it blew our minds and we realised from that moment that cinema had turned a corner and would never be the same again. Not bad for a film that was almost dismissed as a B movie that would most likely not appeal to the public. Absolutely fascinating, thank you.
It seems to have had an effect on many of us Trevor. I probably wouldn't have become a Super 8 addict if it hadn't have been for the early Star Wars releases and therefore wouldn't have ever turned up at the BFCC. Funny how things turn out. John.
sleeper star wars was and then suddenly box office tills was ringing like no other . same with ghost , it was sleeper then suddenly box office tills ringing
Saw back in May 1977. Have vhs, dvd, br & uhd. Got online the 4K restoration 77 project of original Star War. They did a fine job & I watch on 120” screen with JVC 2000 projector. It looks like what I remember, lol. Han shoots first. Thanks for review of my fav👏👏👏
I don't think Greedo even fires in the original. And what are those subtitles all of a sudden because I never saw them on the original... they're certainly not on the Super 8 print and thank gawd too because they're pointless and take you out of the film. John.
a very enjoyable video always admire your passion for movies and your knowledge.
Thank you Len. I did expect that this video would be more popular than it has been but it may get up there over time. John.
Really interesting history of SW. Saw at Theatre One in Coventry with my dad back in 1978. Remember like yesterday as well as all the toys and magazines.
It seems that a lot of us have treasured memories of where and when we saw this historic film. It's probably not quite so historic now that we just have a version of the so-called 'Special Edition' and the original has been hidden from view for so long. John.
Absolutely I queued round the block with my dad aged 9 1/2 and the showing we got into only had 2 seats left (Brighton Odeon) right at the front. I’ve been hooked ever since that opening shot!
@@MikeTheBike2010 I queued with my parents and brother and got nowhere near getting in before being turned away for the day. I went again a few days later with school friends and got in then. A couple of days after that I went with my whole family again and got in. Today the cinema we all saw it in is a gym. What a waste because for a local town cinema there was a pretty big screen in there - getting on for 40 feet wide I think. John.
You really went all out on production with this one, great video John. I was a huge fan myself. I remember seeing RotJ as a small child in the cinema, but didn't think much of SW till many years later. It was actually Timothy Zahn's novel "Heir to the Empire" that hooked me, circa 1994. A continuation of the story of our heroes after the end of the films intrigued me and that was a great trilogy. Back then, Star Wars was so niche, my local bookshop said I might only find more at Forbidden Planet in London, which became a regular hangout for teenage me :-) The Star Wars products were in a dark, dusty corner in the basement back then!
That got me into the novels, comic books, movies and the rest. There was a once in a lifetime back-to-back showing of the whole trilogy at a venue in Borehamwood, Herts around 95-96 I attended, and met several of the actors who were there. I kept my VHSs of the original versions for many years until I just couldn't justify keeping VHS around anymore. I still have the comic books from Dark Horse, some Dave Prowse autographed photos, my book collection and other paraphernalia. I was sad that Disney made all the Extended Universe non-canon and didn't care for their trilogy very much.
It is still lovely to remember Star Wars before it was the cultural phenomenon it became. I haven't watched the 4Ks, my last viewing was the HD fan 'theatrical' cuts. Still great cinema.
Thanks again for such an exciting and informative video!
I thought it was the most ambitious video I'd ever done for the Movie Collector channel but sadly it's been a bit of a flop so far. I've been massaging things slowly to try and get it out there but it's still not making much of an impact. Up until this morning it was my worst performing video of the past six months and only two previously had done worse so it's probably ruled out something similar I was hoping to do on the Star Trek films. Oh well, we'll see.
The early nineties saw the release of Empire and Jedi on Super 8 so that was actually a really good period for avid Star Wars fanatics. To this day they are still the best fully legitimate way to see the original films. If only the VHS releases hadn't been done to death after that time then perhaps the original films might have got a re-release in 1997 without so much cartooning added to them. It's such a shame that they're now virtually hidden away but at least the 4K looks terrific even if it isn't the version of the film many of us would have preferred.
I still visit Forbidden Planet whenever I return to London although that's increasingly difficult now owing to the anti-car policies.
John.
Excellent work John, very comprehensive, I thought I was bad and I've only got the laserdiscs, Vhs's, dvds, blu rays and 4ks. It's hard to imagine now what effect Star wars had on me (13 in 1978).
I think I was 13 when I first saw Star Wars too Clive. I don't think there is any doubt that it had a major effect on a lot of young boys who have kept their love for the film for 45 years and counting. There aren't many films that have changed the world but Star Wars is one of them. I can't think of another that ever had quite such an effect either. John.
Brilliant Video John, great to look back to when it was released.
I was lucky over the years I have projected 35mm and 70mm prints of Star Wars, Empire strikes back and Jedi.
Best.
Mike
Well get hold of one of those 70mm Star Wars prints and stick it on at the BFI IMAX Michael. I'll be there, you can count on that. But please get Tenet back on first!!! John.
You have an amazing Star Wars collection. The fan edits of the original theatrical versions on Blu ray are outstanding.😎
We're playing Star Wars Monopoly right now Shaun! I think I need help... psychiatric help! I love running the Super 8 prints of the original films. I don't think anything else will ever match the excitement of getting those three films complete on Super 8 and that's a big reason why I still love to screen them and never get bored of them. John.
Thanks mate. The only descent thing to watch on TH-cam. Great work
Thank you Dave. Glad you enjoyed it. John.
Great video! Your cinematic passion & knowledge shines through in every video you make!
Thank you for saying so. Glad you liked the video - which took far too much time to make. John.
Excellent review John, thanks.
Thank you Graham. I wonder if anyone seeing this will get interested enough to purchase Super 8 equipment. John.
4K77 and despecialized for me👍. Another great video
If the 4K77 version ever gets authorized then I think a lot of us will be jumping ship Chris. John.
Very interesting and comprehensive. Thank you. I actually saw "Special Effects" in IMAX and the 'Star Wars' opening was jaw-dropping indeed.
If only they'd have shot the whole film in genuine IMAX in the first place! Then again, it wouldn't have turned out the way it did and they certainly wouldn't have got the special effects finished in time.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I've been watching the documentary 'Light and Magic' which shed light (pun) unto the complexity of getting the special effects of 'Star Wars' actually done.
@@jremy7 I haven't seen that one jremy7 but I'd like to. I have seen an awful lot about ILM over the years though. I just wish they'd asked me to make the new documentary!
John.
Having watched many of your excellent videos, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one to remove price stickers and place them inside the covers.
I find it's the only way to remember what things actually cost you years down the line. John.
Being a huge fan of Star Wars and a huge fan of yours...I was not disappointed with your presentation. What a gift you are to us video NERDS.
Thank you Bob. Got to hope this one finds an audience though as it's not doing well... yet. John.
Yet another fantastic video. Thank you.
I first saw it aged 5 at the Classic in Blackburn. For some bizarre reason I remember having my polio inoculation before!
It was on a loop so I remember peeking through the doors and watched everyone getting their medals. At 5 I wasn't too sure what it was about and used to think the Millennium Falcon had 2 cockpits, one at each side. Strange what useless information my mind retains.
Anyway, I have a personal link to the film as my mum gets about £14 a year royalties from Lucasfilm from something my grandad did for the score. See was an ex-professional musician and was involved with the Musicians Union. He kept having to go to London a lot around this time and being rather discreet he never uttered a word. We never knew anything about this until the annual cheques kept coming after he passed away. I've checked with the London Symphony Orchestra and he didn't play on the score, so I've no idea what he did....but the annual royalty cheque still comes!
I've got it on VHS (original) and Laservision (sadly no LD player any more). I've even got some empty VHS display packs as my mum worked in Tesco and they were throwing them away after the displayed finished.
Whilst very excited about the special editions at the time, they have not aged well.
So after investing on multiple releases on VHS, DVD & Blu ray I've not invested in 4K as it's not the original. If Disney released "Star Wars" (not Episode IV) I'd buy it. So, it's 4K77 for me on either DNR and DNR free (the latter is wonderfully grubby!)
Maybe the original will be re-released in 2027?
i really like your description that the special edition has "not aged well". That was a line I could have done with before recording the video. However, I did expect this video to be really popular so in a way it's just as well I didn't put any more work into it as I was over 30 hours as it is.
I don't know if Star Wars ever will see the light of day about but 50 years since it's USA release date would be the time if it is to ever be released. If it were up to me I'd strike new 70mm blow-up prints and put it in the top cinemas in the world still capable of showing film. And by the way, film is not so grainy as it appears when scanned for a video, it's a by-product or side-effect of the scanning process. Project a film and it looks far less coarse grained than it appears on all these discs which is why image noise reduction is played with. There is too much of that applied to Star Wars though and that results in it looking more like a video than a film.
Great memories and stories there Loft Legacy. Thank you.
John.
Always come back to these videos. I love your channel John you have a welcoming nature. I would have loved to have had a friend to hang out and watch movies with like you. Merry Christmas John.
Well, I've just seen the trailer for Oppenheimer which is out the end of next July, and it's been filmed in IMAX and Super Panavision 70 so I'll see you at the BFI IMAX on opening day! John.
A beautiful history lesson worthy of being included on future video disc releases of Star Wars. It's amazing that you have those 8mm reels of the original version.
I didn't know that the genuine IMAX documentary Special Effects existed. It's awesome that you include stuff like that.
That 35mm film frame you show at the 10:36 point looks like it's from a Widescreen trailer for Revenge of the Sith - if that's the case, the Scope 2.39:1 aspect ratio of the film (not anamorphic on the print of the trailer) is masked within the Widescreen 1.85:1 aspect ratio and screened with the non-anamorphic 1.85:1 projector lens. However, I do wonder about what the cover says: "... a unique 35mm film frame taken directly from the original film footage and reproduced using state-of-the-art imaging and printing techniques."
I think the film frame in the box was created by someone who doesn't know or understand film Erik and it's as simple as that. It bothered me from the day my brother bought me that fabulous set as a birthday present and so I thought I'd make the point in this video in the hope that it would get around and a few people would be educated. There were previously collectible film frames issued in packs like it and they were all in the 'Scope format so something has changed in the video era and I think it's simply down to a lack of knowledge.
I hope I get to see that IMAX film again one day. The Star Destroyer coming over head was even more impactive than it was on the original film and has to be seen to be believed. Pure movie magic that I could sit there and watch again and again on a loop. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yes, that scene recreated in IMAX sounds like pure movie magic. I imagine I could sit there next to you and watch it again and again on a loop.
That was suberbly put together, I remember seeing it in 78 at my local Odeon and can still remember how excited the chatter was and the applause of the audience at the end, something you don't get these days... Nice seeing you again, been a few years, looking forward to the BFCC next year... Chris Quinn... ;)
Good to hear from you Chris and it will be even better to see you in April. I'll be paying for the hall in November and sorting everything else out then whereupon that's when this channel starts to be used for what it was started for: Namely, to resurrect the BFCC and make it viable. If we can get some home video enthusiasts along and into film then that will be mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned. Keith isn't very well so I don't know if we'll be able to get him along but I hope so as that was another major reason for doing all this.
John.
I just bought a 9.2 receiver, installed 2 height speakers for Atmos, and what a joy it was to hear some of John Williams' music plus SFX like the voices on the Death Star landing bay squawk box saying "Unlock 1, 5, 7 and 9--release charges" overhead in the 4K!
It's just a shame the original film hasn't had a re-release for gawd knows how long Mike. I find it difficult to watch the re-hashed versions but when I watch the original, I'm not sure I'd like it so much with modern, re-worked sound. I'm a bit of a fuss pot when it comes to Star Wars, probably because I've had the Super 8 print for over 30 years and completely used to how it looks and sounds. Every home should have a copy! John.
Another great video and one that brought back memories of my fellow Super 8 collector friend Alan and I rushing from our Blackburn homes to the Film Shop ( as we called it) in Blackpool to purchase the 200ft release of Star Wars. We then tried to rush back home, ignoring everything else Blackpool had to offer, even faster to project it. We had scraped enough together, with a little pleading to our parents, to get the colour sound versions. We were very popular with our friends at that time. The 400ft versions were purchased later and I did get the first 400ft of Empire Strikes back. I sadly sold the lot ages ago and have started collecting again due to your channel and have the first 400ft of Star Wars again - I will not be so stupid as to sell it again.
I gave my Ken Films cut downs of Star Wars and Empire away when I got the features Christopher but fortunately the friend I gave them to still has them so they're in good hands. Super 8 collecting really has been a wonderful thing in my life and I wouldn't have started this channel if I'd never have taken up that film collecting adiction.
John.
Thank you so much John. 🙏🏻
I hope you like this one. Possibly the biggest TH-cam video I've done so far for this channel. John.
@@moviecollector5920 - Thoroughly enjoyed this trip down memory lane. Star Wars was the first movie I ever watched on a cinema screen. The Apollo Theatre in Oxford had a screen installed on stage in order to show Star Wars. I’ve been a fan of watching movies on the big screen ever since.
Thanks again, John, I can’t even imagine the amount of work that went into making this video but the editing side alone was far longer than yesterday’s Berlin Full Marathon! 😱
@@cheekster777 Good to know you liked it Cheekster. A lot of editing but I could have gone on for days longer finalizing it all so in the end decided that that was enough, which is how you have to be if you still want to have a life outside of editing. John.
I still wish for a 4K unadulterated versions release.
Fantastic video, thank you.
If anything is going to happen then we'll know by the end of 2027 because I can't imagine the 50th anniversary of the USA theatrical release not being recognized. Maybe we should start a campaign to pressurize Georgy Boy.
John.
4k77, 4k80 and 4k83 are all fantastic efforts. I only wish it were easier to decode atmos tracks at home so we could modify the retail atmos track to work with the community 4k transfers. The tools for editing are there with davinci resolve and pro tools, but decoding to a compatible format is the issue.
I've never been able to get the multi-channel surround sound tracks to work in Davinci. Might try it again one day but so far, no banana. Star Wars did have a six track stereo with the 70mm prints so pulling those off would facilitate re-working something much more easily.
John.
I love your TH-cam tube. My favourite. I found this video very interesting. I learnt a lot from your informative Star Wars video. I have the 1997 Drew Struzan quad poster. I first saw Star Wars in 1978 very early 1978 when I was 4 years old. I saw it at an Oden cinema in Bury Lancashire. With my mum and my friends and their mum
And I bet you can remember your cinema outing that day Liam. I was a little older and I went to see it twice at a local ABC. I can still remember the thrill and I think I can remember the print being a little grainy but it may be my Super 8 print superimposed over it somehow. The mind and the memory can play tricks.
I have the 1997 Special Edition posters of all three but annoyingly my copy of the Star Wars item is not double sided. Empire and Jedi are both double sided to appear best in a lightbox.
I realized recently that the poster for Last Night In Soho is a bit of a take-off of the original Star Wars quad. Certainly copied the style of it anyway. I expect a lot have done that over the years but I never noticed it before.
John.
Super enjoyable John, thanks again! Your insight, knowledge, and commentary is definitely unique and refreshing.
Thank you Pete. Hopefully it will get a few more views than it has so far. John.
Congratulations on 20K Subscribers. I cannot wait to see you hit 100K! I love the channel and love your knowledge & adoration of classic cinema. Keep up the lovely content!
Thank you Matthias. I've been looking at the figures of a couple of us who started similar channels around the same time and how the figures tend to correspond on how many views a video gets dependent on the number of subscribers. From this I've been able to conclude that for any of us to be truly successful on TH-cam requires a heck of a lot of subscribers. Hundreds of thousands actually.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 you just need to keep putting out genuine & heartfelt content without compromising the essence of this channel for more 'views'. All of the channels that have 500k subscribers at one time or another only had 100 subscribers then only 5k subscribers......... it's a process. You have touched my heart with your reviews and that isn't common for me , so if you have improved one jaded movie lovers quality of life are you not already a success? You are winning, trust me. No one does what you do with your experience and knowledge : )
@@Drago-746 It was just that the Star Wars video that got me a bit down Matthias because all that work and there was little interest. I played with the title and then things started to pick up and then changed the thumbnail so people thought it was the usual 4K review and then it took off. I've done a 4K review of Hacksaw Ridge which I'll probably upload for tomorrow evening and I won't be surprised if that does better than the Star Wars video for the first couple of days. Ridiculous really but that's the way it is. Thank you for all the encouragement. I know there is a very good group of film enthusiasts following this channel and that's always been enough... until I sunk far too much time into the Star Wars video. Over the next few months it may turn out to be a good success though so time is going to tell and if it is a success then I may tackle something similar on the Star Trek movies after all.
John.
Excellent job John 👍👍👍 very enjoyable
Thanks Roy. Doesn't look like this one is going to be very popular which is a real surprise but that's life. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yea considering the amount of work that goes into these vids.....but still early days.....I'm sure this video will do well
@@RoyMurphy1 I think it's unpopular because it's not a basic 4K review video. It might get completely lost as a result but it might be a good thing because I have been putting too much time into all this and it really isn't worth it. More basic videos in future perhaps... and maybe I should practice wearing a back to front baseball cap and using the word "guys" in every sentence! Then again, maybe not. John.
@@moviecollector5920 AHH I hope you continue to do these vids, You have a great wealth of knowledge and experience of film .......And you have thousands of fans now😁 And I'm sure we all look forward to new vids....stay positive John👍
@@RoyMurphy1 Maybe I'll modify the thumbnail and change the title to something else if it continues to be a bit of a flop. That might help. John.
Fascinating video. Thank you.
Thank you for saying so Humble Bugg. John.
Dear John. Today there is an important home video anniversary here in Denmark. Today it is 25 years ago that the first DVD was issued, and the title was "Evita" with Madonna, Antonio Banderas and Jonathan Pryce. A VHS edition was also released on the same day. The sound was coded in Dolby Pro Logic, but the distributor Scanbox eventually learned to issue DVD´s in Dolby Digital. My wife, my brother and saw it at the cinema in February that year (1997), and we were very pleased with the movie, both the music and the spectacle . I got the soundtrack on CD at my birthday, April the 2nd. The CD was on my CD player for 14 days in a row. So we are having a home video jubilee tonight at our home. Three weeks later, October 22nd, the second DVD release was issued and that was Bille August´s : Miss Smilla´s Sense of Snow with Julia Ormond, Gabriel Byrne, Richard Harris and Peter Capaldi before he became Malcolm Tucker. It was also issued by Scanbox coded in Dolby Pro Logic.
DVD was a long time coming after CD-I was pulled but it did fuel the LaserDisc market and that wasn't a bad thing. I don't know what the first DVD was over here but i remember there were only four titles available when the first DVD player was available and one of them, a Wallace & Gromit cartoon, came with the player. It looked fabulous by the way but hardly anyone bought the first player so that was the end of that. It seemed to take many months before a dozen titles were available and I got t couple of them back then. Second generation players were better than that first machine but suffered from slipping sound synchronization. It took a couple of years to get the new format right but thankfully the MPEG digital audio was quickly dropped and that's how the Region 2 area ended up with Dolby Digital sound as the standard.
Now we're getting 4K discs and many of them are just like looking at 35mm prints. I never would have thought that home video would get this good, particularly not for such a low cost. Quality like we are getting today should cost hundreds of pounds but £20 a disc is about the average. Amazing.
John.
Thank you for the video. I saw Star Wars on its original release so I must have been 5 or 6. Changed my childhood :)
You're not alone there David. I think it's the most important film in terms of affecting peoples lives. It certainly had an effect on me and I've never recovered!
John.
I initially just came here for a review of the 4K release. I ended up learning a lot. Well done!
Sorry the video went on a bit but I'd been asked over and over again to review the 4K disc and I didn't just want to do that. We only get a chance to cover a film once so I made something that I hope is a bit more interesting and informative than telling everyone there's been a lot of noise reduction applied... which I don't think I even bothered going into because I thought it looked good and not excessive. I do prefer Star Wars to have its inherent film grain though.
John.
I was one of the lucky few in this country who got to see Star Wars a full 10 days before its first screening. The Sunday Mirror at the time back in 1977 ran an art competion, with the prize being an all expenses paid trip to the December 17th 1977 press screening in the private cinema in Twentieth Century House in Soho Square. Very plush and memorable, although the press pack and guests got the best seats, of course.
Now that's a wonderful, historic memory to have. And well done for winning that competition too. John.
Me Mum took me to Ipswich to see Star Wars in 1978 and I have been in love with the theatrical original trilogy ever since. I have 4K77 and 4K83 and they are beautiful!!
4K80 must be coming soon as one of the people working on it was on here some time ago so surely it will be ready soon. I have all three on Super 8 and although none are top examples of the Super 8 gauge, there's nothing like having the original versions on the big screen.
John.
Terrific video once again. Marvellous information on the formats. Always a joy watching the journey from cinema release through the various stages of home release.
Thank you Kieran. The funny thing is that some younger audience members complain that I talk about other things besides the latest disc release. But then, I didn't start this channel for the casual movie watcher, I did if for true film enthusiast and we certainly have a good number of true enthusiasts commenting every time I put something up. So while this video has so far proved to be a bit of a flop it's still nice to converse with people who love film and all aspects of film history.
John.
Grest recap/review here Jon!
I didn’t catch star wars special edition in theatres but i did see Empire and ROTJ with my uncle back in… ‘97 I believe it was. For me, as someone who was born the year after ROTJ was released it was nice to catch them. I don’t recall how big the screen was but as a 13 yr old it was big lol
I had every VHS release from 90s on, special edition etc, dvd, blu-ray but not UHD. That’s next!
Well JB, you'll not only have to take a look at the 4K but you'll also have to get that Elmo GS1200 Super 8 projector you've been promising yourself and track down a Super 8 print! Then again, that may prove to be a little expensive these days. John.
Thank you for showing us your collection John. As a kid of the 2000's, the prequels will always hold a special place in my heart even if I do accept that they have some pretty rough spots.
I only watched the original trilogy as an adult and while Empire and Return didn't impress me as much, the first movie did blow me away, what a fantastic experience. I can't even imagine what it must have been like for audiences in the 70's to watch this for the first time.
Sadly I think we won't get the original, non-CG versions of the trilogy released for wide consumption until Lucas passes away. For whatever reason he seems to loathe them now.
It's a shame that so many people haven't really ever seen Star Wars as it was because it really is special. I can understand George Lucas being frustrated that he couldn't get the film finished as he wanted in 1977 but he was totally immersed in every aspect of it and couldn't see the film the way we all did. Some of the additions would have improved that first version but very few of them. If the 4K77 work ever does get the green light for a legal release then I'd certainly take a look at what they've done and I'm sure it will prove to be the best home movie version ever released but until then the Super 8 remains in the top spot.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I’ve heard it’s because he would owe Marcia some money but you’d think he could afford it these days
@@deanrussell2224 The contractual arrangements for Star Wars were different so there could be something hiding away that necessitates it's never issued again as it wouldn't be worth the expense and the trouble. I'd have thought that now Disney own 20th Century Fox all of the rights to all of the films would have fallen under their ownership but apparently not. John.
Another great video, thank you John. I had no idea sprockets on 16mm could be either single or double! Fascinating! If you ever need any idea for a future video, a retrospective on Cannon Cinemas would be great. Cheers
Thank you Ben. Sadly I know nothing about Cannon Cinemas other than they had darned good daysets to splice into the adverts, trailers and movie introductions. They seemed to own everything during the late 1980s but have gone now. John.
Never heard of Star Wars released in Dimension 150. That must have been fantastic!
70mm was old hat by the time Star Wars was released in 1977 and arguably on its way out. The revolution that Star Wars truly sparked was in sound. Dolby already had a four-channel noise reduction system that was first deployed for the 1976 Barbara Streisand remake of A Star Is Born. Using only four of Todd-AO/Cinemascope six -track sound format (five across the screen, one surround), Dolby took it one step further with Star Wars by creating mini subwoofers out of the two unused screen speakers (center-left and center-right). That created the remarkable bass response that matched the images and thrilled audiences. Dolby called it the Baby Boom, although they never marketed it that way. The popularity of the six-track Dolby sound system spawned by Star Wars caused a rapid outfitting of cinemas with the system and the rest is history. In 1978, the separation of the single surround channel into left and right was tested in a couple of theatres with Superman. Apocalypse Now was the first film to use the final 5.2 system that became the standard throughout the 80s and 90s until the dawn of digital cinema sound.
Back to Star Wars, part of what Dolby invented for Streisand was encoding the four sound tracks on the two optical stereo channels on 35mm prints. So the Star Wars 35mm prints had the same sound as the 70mm, only without the sub woofer tracks. The combination of noise reduction and more tracks offered improved sound quality even in small and medium-sized houses that could only show 35mm prints.
What great information Mike. Thank you for taking the time. Now then, what was the sound format on the 35mm prints of Rollerball because I've long thought that it was Dolby Stereo but from what you've said it seems to have been something else. The label applied was 'Dolby System' at the time but that was the same as the label on Star Wars.
D-150 should be resurrected now that cinema is on its knees and looking like it's on the way out. Something is required to tempt more general audiences back now that the teenager/twenty something comic book superhero films aren't enough on their own.
John.
Fantastic video. Thanks for putting this together.
So glad I saw the original at 5 years old in 77!
I think I was 13. Just too early for me to really take in how it looked in terms of definition and all that sort of thing. It was a couple of years after this I really started comparing Super 8 releases and began to learn all about it. Star Wars is probably the most historic piece of cinema so it really should see the light of day again. If it doesn't get resurrected in 2027 then perhaps it will have to wait until George Lucas is gone which will be rather sad as his masterpiece deserves to be seen while he's here to take all the plaudits. I can see a big cinema re-release where only cinemas with film projection and massive screens get to show it. John.
Brilliant Star Wars knowledge John....Very impressive upload of an epic series of films
Glad to know you liked it John. Right now I'm planning another Star Trek video as my review for the sixth [and best] film did quite well. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Will look forward to seeing it John....👌
It's really great to see your journey with star wars ❤
Thank you Pavan. Nice to know you enjoyed this one. I could do with watching the original film again so I'll get one of those Super 8 feature copies through a projector in our home cinema soon. The home cinema is actually completed now and everything is working... for the time being no doubt!
John.
Excellent video! My friend and I love those collection and memorabilia of Star Wars especially the Star Wars movie reels
Good morning Pinoy. It's a bit like a trip into your amazing home cinema room isn't it? We're two people on opposite sides of the world with a similar love of the Star Wars films. John.
Thanks for this wonderful video. Thanks.
Thank you for saying so Nightbreaker. John.
Thank you for this extremely enjoyable video ✨
Thank you Bob. It took a number of days to get this one together, I can tell you. Shame it hasn't done better but it might over time. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Fingers crossed for that! And - if it's any consolation to you, I will likely watch it multiple times, just to soak in all the information and enjoy it again. As a footnote, I will add that I have downloaded all 4k projects (4k77/80/83), the non-DNR versions. The filesizes are large (bd-100 level for 77/83) and they look spectacular when projected! I must say, the original 77 film looks almost like a "grindhouse" version of SW compared to the ultra clean Disney look of the 4k UHD. It felt almost like watching a Tarantino film. So good to have it the way it was shown on 35mm in 77. Han Solo shot first! :-) Thanks again.
@@tullebob1683 I need to have yet another look at my Star Wars Super 8 print because I'm not sure Greedo even gets a shot off. Perhaps I've just never noticed it because I liked the portrayal of Han Solo as a ruthless bastard! My recollection of Star Wars has always been of a bit of a grainy film but that could be down to having it on Super 8 for over 30 years. I was only 13 when I saw it at the cinema so a little too young to have really taken notice - Apocalypse Now about a year later was the film that really made me sit up and take notice of how films really looked but it was only when I saw that again in 1980 that I marvelled at the look of it. The trouble is with scanning each frame of a film is that it picks up every bit of film grain and enhances the edges of it. That is why all cine transfers done via a scanner have image noise reduction applied. Star Wars was strikingly clean and a little too sharp to be a genuine representation of how it originally looked but it hadn't been so overdone as to generate the waxy look on skin. I suspect most youngsters will have really liked that look but I'd have preferred something more akin to the original realism of 1977/78. John.
I saw Star Wars 5 times at the theater. Every time was with different people. I also had the silent B&W reel and I watched so many times. I enjoy the 4k quality but would rather they be available in the original version. The JJ movies I liked the 1st and 3rd movie but the 2nd I thought was real poor. Rogue One I thought was really good. I enjoyed it a lot. The 4K77 I have seen and it brought me back to how I enjoyed the original movie. But as you say, it would be nice if the powers to be would authorize that copy. The original teaser if I remember had completely different music play with it and I remember back then being so excited for the movie every time I saw it.
Surprisingly similar memories to my own Stephen. We also agree on the Disney films because I like the J.J. Abrams films but not the one in the middle. Although that film, The Last Jedi, does have the most amazing opening act of any Star Wars film. I was really enthused while that was first running through but after that I found it all a bit boring and rather depressing. By the end of it I was chucking rotten fruit at the screen!
Okay, I made that last bit up.
John.
Absolutley stunning. Thanks for bringing us this mass of knowledge. Excelsior sir :-)
Thank you. Far too much work Delboy but hopefully it will find an audience over time. John.
Nice retrospective, John, and great to see some of your old film versions of SW. Although you are joking when you say catch it in an IMAX near you, right? :) I think there's one genuine IMAX left in the country isn't there, and it's certainly nowhere near most of us! We did used to have one in B'ham and I very much lament its closure.
Paul
There are still genuine IMAX cinemas around the nation but whether or not they ever get the chance to put a genuine IMAX film on is another matter. I suppose we'll find out when Oppenheimer is released and if it's only really the BFI IMAX that still has the capability then I'll see you and everyone else there! I saw 'Special Effects' in Bradford and if they've done away with film when they are the museum for the format then they really have let us all down.
John.
Congratulations on 20k subscribers🎇🎉🎇🎉🎇🎉
Thank you Roy. This Star Wars video has certainly been a slow burn but it's done much better after the first day or two and has actually brought in a few extra subscribers so it's funny how things turn out sometimes.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 yea I thought it would pick up......👍
Great video John. I was lucky enough to get the steelbook of this with I think the original cover art. I thought the picture quality was great, what struck me was how the creators created that used worn in look to the droids and everything else, you could see the scratches on R2D2 that I hadn’t noticed before on home video.
Oh yes, the droids have always looked beaten up but I think that up until the 4K it's only been the Super 8 features that have been good enough to pick up that sort of detail... and they're not exactly perfect prints in terms of how good Super 8 can be. John.
Brilliant 🤩 thanks for sharing
Thank you Raymond.
Bravo sir, really interesting stuff. I hope you are going to talk about the other two parts of the original series as well, in terms of the 4k review. I can never get over the fact that you have actual film reels.
Sadly this video isn't proving to do too well so far Timothy so if that remains the case then I doubt I'll ever spend days producing anything quite like it again. I was hoping to have an excuse to do something similar with the Star Trek films but I think my main audience is primarily for 4K disc reviews on their own. We'll see how this one does over time. John.
Great video John, I love the Star Wars movies as well, it is quite the collection you have
There's a lot more scattered around Paul. I did shoot much more of it too but I didn't use it. John.
Thank You very much for thee review. It's been a while since I've visited your channel. BTW the projector you recommended from Optoma worked amazing. thanks for that. It is really something to enjoy 4k movies at home that way
I'm pleased that you're pleased with your Optoma video projector. There's nothing like projecting to get the best out of a film. I grew up with Super 8 home movie projectors so it was always logical to video project as soon as it didn't look so awful (about 16 years ago video projection finally became viable) but it seems that a lot of movie enthusiasts have stuck with a telly and that's possibly because they've never known projection. I suppose it's all a big unknown whereas the box has always been there. A smaller telly and a budget video projector is the way to go for most of us. John.
Star Wars: A New Hope is a time capsule of pure movie magic. I don't know if we'll ever see something like it again.
Probably not David. Such a shame that the Special Edition hasn't been re-worked into something a little more suitable for the 1977 release because a combination of the best of both would probably make the best version of the lot... but some of the computer animation might have to be toned down a little as it's too 'in yer face'. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I agree.
Absolutely brilliant John, fascinating video. Aside of actual film I've owned the original Star Wars trilogy on everything. I'll never forget back in 1998 on a trip to Florida I found the Trilogy Special Edition Laser Disc set with AC3 sound for $100, I still have it here in fact. The AC3 audio was astonishing, when we first moved into this house early 2000 we got our 5.1 system up and running and I binged all three films with the Wife. To this day when we watch Return Of The Jedi and Jabbas barge explodes the wife will look at me with a smile on her face, thankfully it still sounds as good today on the 4K disc as it did on the AC3 Laser Disc 22 years ago. When you mentioned the curved cinema screens I had a flash back to a time when I was very very young on a holiday to Blackpool, my father took me into a dome on the Pleasure Beach called Cinema 2000, I think they had one on central pier too. You stood in front of this huge curved screen which showed some 70's car chases etc, one thing that sticks in my mind is a helicopter flight where the helicopter goes over the edge of the Grand Canyon, I distinctly remember my fathers hands on my shoulders and me holding onto his trousers behind me because I felt like I was going to fall over. Brilliant, and a bloody good memory of time with my Dad bless him.
Let's face it, we're a couple of cine addicts! You have some wonderful memories there and it's lovely that so many people such as yourself have contributed to this great conversation on our memories of Star Wars. There's a documentary to be made on this subject but no one has ever thought of it... until now. I don't know what it was that you saw at Blackpool though unless it was a mobile Cinerama so can you remember roughly the year? It might have been D-150 now that I'm thinking about it.
John.
John, do a search on TH-cam for Cinema 180 Film - 70mm - Compilation from Colossos and Fantastic Flight.. This is a flavour of what I saw with my Father around 1980 in the Cinema 2000 attraction.
@@LeShark75 Aha, that was a half Circlorama presentation then. Sadly neither the half circle or the full circle were ever anything more than fair ground attractions. I saw a fabulous full circle at Futuroscope in the early 90's which put us in all sorts of 'dangerous' situations. John.
Brilliant Video. Brilliant Collection. Well done.
Ta velly muchly. John.
What an episode!! So much memorabilia that I have never seen or heard of! So much interesting details about every release! I can easily feel the love and nostalgia. What was the book you grabbed for reading in the end?
Indeed, sterol is the best way to describe the way all the new Star Wars releases and re-releases look.
I can't help it but agree that a lot of computer effects and additions (multiplying the squadrons here and there) were for the better, but obviously not all of them. This is one more reason why I love the fan made Harmy's Despecialized Edition - they kept the best from all the editions and edited the final version in a way, which looks and feels like the original release; the great old magic is in it!
Ow, by the way, it is great that you gave your acknowledgement to 4K77 (4K83) release. Those people did a tremendous job: gave so much time and dedication to that project. The result speaks for itself!
I was fascinated by the original trilogy, when I saw it in late 80's. But then school started and I became too busy to think about it. Perfect timing, ha! ))
John, this is a great episode! Thank you very much for it. I saw it twice and will probably keep it on my phone for some travel to the mountains. Your documentaries and reviews are a special fun watching as I drive far - familiar voice, interesting content - great company!
Dmitri
Very kind of you to say so Dmitri. I did put far too much time into this one but my thinking was that if I'm going to finally do Star Wars then I'd better do it properly. Initially it proved to be a complete flop so I massaged things along a little and it's started to find a bit of an audience now but nowhere near what it should have done yet. It's a shame because I was planning to do something along the same lines for Star Trek but that will have to wait now.
The book was the original novelization of Star Wars that came out as one of those many promotional items. It has George Lucas down as the author but I doubt that's true.
I can't imagine not being around when this film was first released. It changed the world and it changed the lives of little boys in particular. Many of us have never forgotten the thrill of seeing that iconic opening (without 'Episode IV A New Hope leading that opening scrawl) followed by the spaceships coming over our heads, particularly the Star Destroyer. Youngsters today can't possibly imagine what that was like at that time because as a result of Star Wars, special effects laden films have dominated the market ever since. It all really started with Star Wars and us paying our money at the box office to see it more than once. Such a shame that the special editions have rather messed things up for those of us that were there when this masterpiece was first in cinemas across the world.
By the way, the chaps are working on 4K80. One of them left a comment on one of my videos a while ago but I wasn't really able to mention that at any time because I would feel awful if they were to be found out and get into trouble as a result of me saying something. I have the three films on Super 8 and that's all I need to be able to enjoy them as they once were but it would be nice for everyone to be able to see them in good quality.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Star Wars trilogy did make a big impact on me, even though I saw it on a small screen for the first time - my imagination stepped in. It created a world, that my friends and I really wanted to
visit. It was so vastly different than any other scifi movie I saw by that time: Aliens, Creatures, Abyss, Leviathan, Terminator, etc. There have been quite a few of them by late 80's & early 90's.
You did a wonderful retrospective! I would love to see the Star Trek if you still wish to make it. I am not a very big fan of it, but I would love to learn more about it.
If you did Twilight Zone some day, that would be wonderful!
You did the right thing for 4K80 team. It is better to stay careful.
How did the car documentary go??? I would really like to hear about it!
Enjoy the magical season!
Best wishes.
Dmitri
@@dmitripopov8570 I would have purchased Star Trek VI in HMV on Saturday if they'd have had it and just done a review around that but alas, it had sold out. The only one of the five that had actually. Just like Star Wars, the Star Trek films really need to be seen on huge screens to get the best out of them. The special effects are just that - special. Seeing the sixth film in The Empire via a 70mm blow-up on their huge screen and glorious THX sound system was one of the most memorable cinema experiences I've ever had and that very screening is what led to me having a home THX Ultra sound system.
I've almost finished a Leyland National bus production but the World Cup Rally 50th anniversary documentary will have to wait until next year to get finished as it hasn't been possible to get everything and everyone on camera so far. That one may be the last disc release I ever do so it's got to be good.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I am so embarrassed, John... I have never seen a single Star Trek movie. I heard the Wrath of Khan is considered to be the best one - not sure if that is the 6th one or not. I will watch both as soon as opportunity arises! It has to be with a group of friends though.
I understood that the 70mm visual and THX audio presentation made it so memorable. But is the story good too?
I would love to see your next documentary. Please, let me know when it is done.
So, you do all the interviews by yourself, or you have a team? You obviously are a great communicator, so you probably only make basic layout of themes for questions, and not a list of questions themselves. The MG annual event documentary showed your great skills very well. Looking forward to the documentary! Enjoy making it!!!
Dmitri
@@dmitripopov8570 I think to appreciate how good some of the Star Trek films are you have to know the original series because it's the relationships between the characters that really count. The first film 'Star Trek The Motion Picture' largely misunderstood the characters and combined with a poor, predictable storyline made it a bit of a disappointment for many of us in 1979. But that one is a film that has improved with age and is more acceptable today. 'Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan' is a sequel to a television episode called 'Space Seed' and for the film director Nicholas Meyer enticed Ricardo Montalban back to reprise the role of Khan. 'Star Trek III The Search for Spock' wasn't quite as good but 'Star Trek IV The Voyage Home' was. That one saw the cast time travel back to Earth in 1984 or 85 and it was hilarious as well as a brilliant adventure. 'Star Trek V The Final Frontier' was hamstrung from the start because it was implied as a story where God had been found so we all knew the ending was therefore going to be a disappointment and it was. 'Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country' was a murder mystery adventure that was probably as good as it was because Nicholas Meyer returned as Director and infused the old Star Trek magic back into the mix. It has never been as good as that first viewing at The Empire but it's is such an impressive film and a great way for [most of] the original cast to sign off that it's remained a magical film for me to this day. Just the opening with the fabulous score leading into silence and then an exploding moon tells you that you are about to be in for something rather special.
So if you fancy giving the Star Trek films a go I do think a few of the original television episodes should be watched first. If you can find 'The City on the Edge of Forever' and 'The Deadly Years' they would probably be two of the best to set you on your way.
I do everything myself for the documentaries. Wifey is my assistant and often handles second camera duties and sometimes primary camera duties. I used to use three cameras for many of the interviews but over the years we've assembled increasingly better equipment and sometimes now I get away with using one camera. Each interview is different though and sometimes learning all about a person is vital before even thinking about what questions to ask. Some of the best interviews have been when I don't know anything much about a person and we simply chat for a while before putting the cameras on so I know what to ask. There aren't many people that can carry off a decent interview and I didn't know I could do it until I started back in 2006/7. I was so nervous the first time that I couldn't write the questions down so I just winged it. Turned out to be the best thing I could have done otherwise I'd have probably made a complete mess of it.
John.
If this was on the BBC they would call you "The David Attenborough of movies" John, your content is that good. 👍👏
The funny thing is James that I really can't bear David Attenborough. But I do appreciate the compliment. Thank you.
John.
Thanks for Sharing John,I always liked The Empire Strikes Back and always loved the Sound in the Star Wars films,nice seeing the 16mm.
The sound design (Ben Burtt) was a big factor in the success of the films Paul so you and I are certainly in agreement there. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yeah Fantastic sound John.
As always John a superb video. It's really good to see your memorabilia which clearly shows your love of Star Wars.
It's very palpable that you are sad it has been tampered with and not been given the light of day it deserves in it 1977 theatrical form.
I think Disney need to bite the bullet and get on board with the 4K restoration those people have been working on. I've seen some videos on what they managed. It's incredible the detail that is present on the film.
Nice one John
Trevor
When the negative was brought out of storage in 1997 it had faded and was too far gone to use in a few places and that's where the Technicolor print came in to create the too faded sections. However, what that means is a duplicate negative of the original film was struck back then and will still exist today. I suspect there is a contractual agreement between George Lucas and Disney about the original version of the film and that is why we haven't seen it up to now. There's a massive money earner waiting in the wings for someone there but it's odd that they haven't shut down all the fan works if there are plans or a scheme to re-release the original masterpiece. There are parts of the re-hashed versions that I simply cannot bear to watch and it seems there are a lot of us out there who have the same problem. All the rubbish flying around the Stormtroopers in Mos Eisley is the worst part I can think of but that Jabba The Hut sequence probably takes the biscuit. Fun to see it once or as an outtake but for God's sake, just get rid of it!!!
Sorry for the rant Trevor. Hope all is well now you're 300.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Rant away my friend, rant away. Let it out, don't hold back! 😆
The more I can watch of Star Wars the better but adding in unnecessary creatures and things that walk in front of the main scene was stupid.
I think the edition of some of the flying probes helps tie it in to the Prequel Trilogy. The Empire are clearly looking for rebels so the odd probe can be justified. Not too many though and they don't need to be in our face.
The fly over of Mos Esely I like but it really doesn't sit well with the rest of the films picture quality.
I'm definitely getting a steady trickle of new subscribers now. SPARTAAAAA!!!
Trev
@@doublebillmovies I think the only addition that was required to the entire film was when the Millenium Falcon arrives on the Yavin moon because there is a shot of a guard tracking it with a hand held device but no sign of the Falcon. A distant, blurry, miniature Falcon would have done the trick there. But that's all that was required as far as I am concerned and then the entire film would have been 'fixed'. Better still, do nothing and leave it as the piece of cinematic history is was.
Other than some of the awful computer animation, the subtitles when Greedo is talking... we never had those in 1977/78 and they are completely superfluous because Han Solo is telling us what Greedo is saying. Takes you out of the film and ruins that whole section. Grrrrrrr. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Feeling better now. There there 😆
Yes mate after all, it's the original 1977 film that exploded on to the scene and wowed the world. Not a myriad of ammendments. People were never confused by Greedo and as you said. Han was filling us in anyway.
We need a 100% original 1977 cut of the movie. But with BD technology, you can put all the editions on the disc and allow the viewers to add in whatever they choose for their perfect version. I don't know why the BD features are being exploited like that.
@@doublebillmovies I think a double disc would do the trick because all the seamless branching required to create both versions of Star Wars would inevitably be far too much work and there would always be something that would go wrong or be criticized by some.
Very well done, there’s a lot of work in these 18 minutes. Thank you!!
Thank you for noticing. Over 30 hours of work so about four days I think. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I know how much time it takes to prepare and finalize such a video. I am currently working on something in the same direction, about Star Wars on the German market only. It takes ages :))
@@off2-Super8 Please drop me a link to it when it's up otherwise I might miss it. I don't have either of the Marketing Film Super 8 releases of Star Wars so it will be good to see them if you include them. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I‘ll include them, and I‘ll show the first two minutes of each version
@@moviecollector5920 and I‘ll send you a link, for sure.
awesome review of my favorite franchise of all time.
Thank you Michelin. John.
i bought the depecialized trilogy years back will never watck the special edition again great video thank you
I saw the first two 'special edition' releases at the Odeon Marble Arch but have never watched them again. I didn't bother ever seeing the 'special' of Return of the Jedi. I have dipped into all of them on LaserDisc though and I think the Death Star battle in Star Wars might be even better on the 'Special Edition'... but I'll always prefer to see the original artistry.
John.
I also saw that Special Effects show in IMAX when i was a kid and the recreated scene with the Star Destroyer chasing the Tantive IV was amazing. I actually thought that was going to be used for the opening shot in the Special Edition and didn't realise at the time it was specifically done for the doc.
That's two of us that will never forget it quatz. Just a shame that it hasn't seen the light of day since it was released in the IMAX film. John.
Really enjoyed this edition, I also have the early 1976 teaser trailer that features a different Star Wars logo, although mine is in 35mm.
You show off Paul! Now send it through so I can check it. John.
I saw SW many times at that Edwards Newport theater, it was great! Folks were so excited pre show, it was a real event like a sporting event or a rock show. The 4K looks great on my 120" scope screen, but as you say it is not large to convey the impact as when it was originally shown. Also it is too clean, grain is reduced, no dirt, scratches, etc. In the film there is a cigarette burn/sound pop reel change after Cushing says "We will crush the rebellion with one swift stroke!" When watching the 4k of course this is not there, just silence till the next scene. It struck me then that a lot of my memories of SW are tied to the film medium and the presentation method in the theater as much as the content of the movie. Anyway still glad for the 4K HDR format, many movies look like 35 mm prints to me, albeit very clean ones.
4K is proving to be excellent Carl and the closest representation to an actual film that video has ever achieved. Film dirt, neg dust and scratches have a different appearance somehow even on 4K and are distracting whereas on film they are not. It must be something to do with the methodology of the projection or the way video is translated onto a telly but something isn't quite as forgiving as real film.
I'm really quite excited to have a comment from someone who actually saw Star Wars on that enormous Edwards Newport screen. Imagine being able to go into a traditional picture palace today that boasted a 75 foot 2.20:1 screen. All we have today that equate to it are giant IMAX screens and some of those aren't really IMAX. But no masking or curtains, that's the big difference. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Curtains! Yes the curtains were closed over the screen and you would sit and listen to Music before the show, I miss that aspect of going to the theater. I was fortunate to live a short drive from the Newport so we saw all of the big films there, SW, Indiana Jones, Bond, etc. Waited in line for 2+ hours to make sure you could get the perfect seat! Sometime during the course of the SW release they upgraded the sound system to get the back channel echo effect when Luke/Leia do the Tarzan swing. So that kept SW going for several more months! Good Times.
@@carlbarlow6942 The showmanship has largely gone from cinemas now. Even most of the projectionists have been replaced by someone who can press a button. John.
My dad had all the super 8. I was amazed by the whole thing
Did he have the 'Scope feature Dale. They are worth a lot of money now... a lot of money! John.
A very informative and interesting teaching on SW Home Media, thank you so much.
A lot of fun to do it Daniel. Did something similar on Alien two years ago so that set the standard really. John.
Interesting video great job as always
Thank you BLueSun. John.
Your videos constantly impress me 🎉
Thank you for that Walter. Hopefully this one will start to do a little better because it's the most disappointing ever so far. John.
I’m quite the Star Wars fiend, so I’ve been waiting/hoping for this one for over a year now 😆 Thanks for the great review, John! My favorite version is the widescreen THX remaster on VHS (non-special edition). Vhs isn’t the best of course, but I always like getting the tapes out of the little collectors box it came in.
PS: I was a Babu Frik fan, as well (and also Solo).
I think we should start a Babu Frik fan club Timothy! I still think the Super 8 prints are the best {legal) versions available in spite of this 4K being so good but because it's not the original version of the film there's something not quite right to my mind. John.
Such a fantastic video. Star Wars is such a special thing for me. It may have been the first movie I remember watching. I only ever saw Star Wars and empire on TV’s until the Special editions in 1997. Watched them all in the cinema and whilst not a fan of the alterations, was blown away by how amazing it looked on the big screen. The executor VHS tin box set is the only copy I own on physical media as I only wanted the Original untouched movies. Of course many fans have re created them digitally and I have watched those with amazement. So much better than the VHS. There’s a fellow called Adywan and his versions are a mash up of slight alterations and his own additions to make an ultimate “fan edit” so to speak. I’d buy the original versions on disc in a heartbeat if they were available. But they’re not. Such a shame. That 16mm trailer must look amazing projected!
I haven't actually run that 16mm trailer for years now but I really must do so. That little reel has an extract from Alien on it too so quite a bit of cinema history from the late 1970's.
Judging by the comments on here it seems that there are a lot of us who prefer to see the original versions of the films to the re-hashes. I do think there is some contractual reasons why both versions are not made available as it makes no sense to miss out on all the extra revenue that could be generated from selling a pack that contained them both. As it is, the best legal releases of the original films are still the 'Scope Super 8 feature releases. Quite amazing after all these years really.
John.
Wow…well done. This has been an education. I thought I was across this stuff however I was wrong.
I've been trying to think of a more important film in history than Star Wars since making this video but so far I haven't come up with one. I'd never really thought about this before and I'm sure others would suggest something older but I don't think there is any film that has had such an effect on the world as Star Wars. Having said that, I never went swimming again after Jaws in 1975!
John.
Enjoy the video history as much as the video reviews.
Thanks, again.
Thank you Saint. This video has been a bit of a flop so far which I have to admit that I've found a little annoying after about four days work. Oh well, you can't win 'em all. John.
@@moviecollector5920
Time between vids effect views. Checked in with you three times before this was available. Over time "The Force Will Be With You"!
#StarWars
@@saint6563 It may do alright in the end but I don't think I've ever been so disappointed in a video. It's very strange after all the requests to look at the 4K of Star Wars but I suppose that's all I should have done so lesson learned.
John.
@@moviecollector5920
3K views in 2 days!!
It could very well go to 12K in 2 weeks.
Star Wars fans are rabid, so listening to them is not advised.
Nonetheless, you have created a vid to be proud of + the Video Community appreciates it as well!!
John you're not hashtagging your vids. Check out Disney's resent "Andor" vid & push on the hashtag to other "Andor".
You should hashtag this vid:
#StarWars
#4K
#4KUHD
#Bluray
etc...