Why stop there. All government data should become public domain and they should be forced to live stream everything they do at all times while serving.
we should replace people and have an open source AI algorithm to rule the world, where our votes would count towards new implementations (like pull requests)
@@Petersilie161 how do you suppose he does that when it's END TO END ENCRYPTED... They don't know what their customers are sending through the platform by design. This is exactly what the comment OP means by criminalising E2E encryption. By going after the creator they're sending a message to other E2E apps that they're not safe.
@@Petersilie161how can you do something against it if it’s end to end encrypted? You don’t know anything about what’s being discussed. Are you going to ban whispering in someone’s ear too then?
That is something applyable to the real world. Market laws are not equal to moral laws. Just because you can sell something it doesn't mean you should sell it.
No. What you said does not go by their logic. Telegram can prevent most illegal activities by cooperating with the officials but a knife maker cannot install a camera and a tracker on a knife. Makes sense?
@@coffeeScryer Simple answer. It can be taken out or you can physically mess with the parts and not be held accountable because it is a knife and will be used against tough stuff. Can you enable E2E on a social media platform that doesn't support it? You can't. There's nothing you can do about it. And apart from that, you need to work on your analytical skills.
exactly what I've been telling. if those law enforcement agencies want to access our data they should share their messages first and show us what's on their devices.
Criminalising end 2 end encryption is basically like criminalising privacy, it’s like criminalising people speaking quietly or going to a different room to have a discussion in private, something thats basically a human right.
Are you kidding, what kind of extremism and terrorism? The fact that Pasha does not give away the keys to the TG does not mean that he supports it. On the contrary, he protects ordinary people from draining correspondence and personal data!
I actually heard TG gave the keys to Putin years ago, thus ending, also with The Internet Soverignhty Act, the end of free Russian internet (very dangerous). Now Im hearing Putin doesnt have em?
Well he gave keys and has been banning anti-Kremlin materials, so telegram is not free. Remember the last "free" elections? Well so-called "smart voting" was banned by Telegram. Remember the movement of wifes of mobilized Russian vatniks? Their telegram group was banned as well. Durov is in a very tight connections with FSB and Russian government. + Telegram officially collaborates with the governments of Iran and Indonesia. Why shouldn't it be collaborating with democratic countries while having tight connections to totalitarian anti-humane regimes?
exactly, people are failing to graps that... a more exaggerated example would be that u can't invade people's houses with the excuse of stopping terrorism when u just want private data... similarly u can't criminalise encryption because that would be criminal to all other people.... 😅😅
their rhetoric is "he doesn't cooperate when we try to capture criminals". Not "he supports them". The same was in russia, and russian government get off of his back only when he cooperated to catch terrorists
The russians are currently urging their elites to delete their communications on telegram so they probably had a backdoor and are afraid the french now have it too.
I love it how everyone constantly talks about how he left Russia because Russian authorities wanted him to cooperate with them, but nobody mentions that he left USA because U.S. authorities wanted him to cooperate with them
Anyone capable of critical thinking is aware of these Western double standards. There is another issue, however. Pavel Durov has always been a US government asset. VK was literally created by US Big Tech for the US government as a bridgehead in the Russian internet, and Durov was just a figurehead.
Funny that the Russian government wanted access and he said no, they let him leave the country peacefully. Now the French wanted the same thing and he said no, so they decide to imprison him. Clown world.
This is an attack on western society. They want our privacy gone, our money controlled through CBDCs, they want us in a cage, a tiny one at that, doing nothing more than the little we're allowed in our future 15 min cities. Tools like telegram need to be gone. If successful, then tools like signal will be next. Ultimately they want privacy to be outlawed and any1 insisting on it will be deemed a criminal because "u can only want privacy if u have something to hide". The future is bring.
@@Exoskel2 Because Russia relies on Telegram to spread it's propaganda about war etc. They banned the signal app that provided true encryption. The Russian government is exactly the same as the west.
By this logic, the inventors of cellphones, planes, automobiles and even electricity should all be condemned and held accountable since they faciliated so many terrorists attacks
If they were repeatedly asked by the authorities to block public terrorrist/drug dealing communication channels that are supposed to be under their moderation but declined this totally legal request, then yes.
@@yuriy5376communication providers are not responsible for what is communicated over their networks. They are protected by having common carrier status.
@@Diablokiller999 The "law" has become so convoluted with so much different crap shoved into it that you can literally be charged for anything and jailed for anything if there are enough lawyers and money involved.
But Telegram is the only place I could find a lot of uncensored study materials for free😢, and it really help me a lot in my studies especially in biology
Dark web Got a lot of research papers and stuff on that one website i can't remember the name of, but it got so much That's the only option if this is gonna die
Stop being idiots. It's just basic french laws about responsabilities of publishers. Internet social media owners are treated like newspaper editors over here and need to follow the same rules regarding the content on their platform, very basic stuff. Unless there's a risk he'll flee the country, he probably won't spend a day in prison.
The feds tried to ban PGP back in the day, classifying the cryptographic algorithms as “munitions” to prevent them from being distributed. The creator got around it by publishing the code in a book which was protected by the 1st Amendment. It’s crazy that the war on encryption is still raging on.
to be fair. government should be the only one who can judge what was legal or not under cypher. But modern wester gobernments are politically corrupted, so they can use your messages against your political career.
everybody claims the chinese and russians steal american tech but the US govt and its stupid fucking corporate lackeys do the same shit from actual american citizens that come up with stuff
Encryption was classified as munitions since encryption was used in war. Meaning always. PGP can be distributed today because the limits of "war grade" encryption have been raised. This is a really badly understood interpretation of what happened. Nobody banned PGP specifically, the laws had been in place for decades. Pgp just broke them, but it was important enough to change laws (at the usual pace of law making)
His situation is an interesting illustration of the price one might pay for seeking true freedom and unfiltered information flow. His pioneering work with Telegram, while controversial, has made a significant impact on how we perceive and use social media.
I wish having privacy was illegal and the systems in place wouldn't allow other to take advantage of it, like some automated LLM that would see everything and if something illegal was going on, either by in real life conversation/actions/body movement or online, it would take notice and law enforcement would take action.. unfortunately that is too utopic
He won't face anything at all. And no it's not about 'having encryption' or whatever. It's about not moderating his social media and not allowing french courts to access personal data when a case is underway.
He's been charged with fraud, money laundering and sanctions evasion. The telegram stuff is basically because they tho k he's using the platform to facilitate this activity.
@@azertyuiopqsdfghjklm Jesus, bot, calm down and stop shitposting under every comment. Yes, you can try hard, but Macron daddy won't accept you to his harem, unless you're not a fresh lunopopik.
That Mike Lynch bit is crazy. I saw the headline, but never read the article. They literally took him, his character witness out on the yacht, and then his co defendant in a car "accident". We are officially living in the Bourne movies.
I mean they really are going a bit too far, we get it, you're the ones in power, but they're getting impatient with it... Absolute joke of a world... NOT AN ACCIDENT!
They can express their opinion, they should just make sure it's end to end encrypted when they do so we don't know who is saying it. Otherwise you know, going to be consequences for these kinds of people eventually, assuming they don't end up in a bunker taking the easy way out like others of their kind.
@@akirathedog777 There you go. You showed your hand. I dislike Musk too but you don't care about injustice. You're just a brokie hating on people who have money. inb4 you call me a bootlicker or some dumb shit because you have no actual counterargument.
The struggle for privacy and unfiltered information is more crucial today than ever before. This case clearly marks an essential divergence between two ideologies, corporate/government control and individual freedom.
In 1848, there were revolutions across Europe that fought against government overreach and police states. One of the outcomes was the right to privacy - the government was henceforward forbidden from opening your mail. All this progress has been rolled back since 9/11. If the government is forbidden from reading your mail, why should they be allowed to install a trojan on your phone to read your electronic messages?
If Telegram is in trouble for "lack of moderation and cooperation with law enforcement", that means that messaging service that is not in trouble is actively moderating and cooperating with law enforcement. Which means they can read your chat. That's supposed to be news, I guess.
If you host a meth lab in your house, the police asks you to give access to the premises, and you repeatedly decline it, would you play victim in this situation?
@@yuriy5376 imagine you are a pig in a den and american authorities come to slaugher you for salo, but den keeper stops them and gets arrested for it. Oh wait, you don't need to imagine😬
@@epajarjestys9981I'm fairly certain he did. Calling 3 letter agency workers glowies comes from Terry saying they glow in the dark when you drive at night
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Uh.. the mainstream newspapers that I religiously read everyday and that never lie say it was a suicide and there's nothing else to talk about it, I guess I'll trust them..
@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 they tried to. basically failed to do so, and then somehow Telegram wasn't banned anymore. even official news channels were using it so their channels names were shown on TV screen. I don't know why they switched, but it sound sus.
@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 Telegram isn't blocked in Russia. There was an attempt by some retarded politicians in 2018 or so, then the executive department tried to block it but failed miserably and fell back
With all its problems, "the West" is still infinitely more free than Russia. Russian propaganda literally has a talking point of "West is evil censoring everything, Russia is actually more free!!"
Fun thing... they actually did share data of suspected terrorists on requests. Thing is EU tries to pass the law where police and such will have access to your personal data at any moment without any kind of requests and paperworks. Why? Because they want to get AI to analyse personal data, creating profiles and analysing people's mood so they will know what should be changed in propaganda to make people calmer. So yeah, the worst cyberpunk dystopia is already here.
If you're an FBI agent and you need a backdoor to access users' private chats on some platform, and you're risking the freedom of others to stop terrorist attacks and illegal activities, then you're a really bad FBI agent (because the terrorists will just use another method to communicate, and the only thing you'll leave with - is a fucking backdoor in the app that another criminal will use to steal the user's data) And "it's complicated" is not an excuse. We pay taxes so that the government can solve complex problems, not take the easy way out, which will expose us to the risk of data leaks. Free Pavel Durov
>Pavel refuses to hand over information on Ukrainians using Telegram to the Russian government and has to flee the country >West cheers Pavel refuses to hand over information on other countries' citizens for the same reason >West enraged LoGiC
@@LLlap Pavel Durov refused to comply with the Russian government requests to close rival politicians pages on VKontakte, the company that he created with his brother that is similar to Facebook. He was eventually forced by the Russian government to sell the company to them and flee the country under fear of imprisonment, torture, or death. That's why he moved to the UAE. Please don't speak about things that you have no idea about.
What a fking mess, it's the same as saying that the creators of weapons are involved in murders. Durov gave you freedom, and how you use it is your responsibility
This lack of subtlety is a tool of intimidation. Dictators force people to do absurd things and say absurd lies not because they hope that people will believe in such behaviors, but to remind their servants that they are so completely dependent on the dictator's whim and they must accept them without protest. This is why all evil people in power like being so comically obvious.
He doesn't risk too much in Russia, tho. He deletes Russian oppositional channels or mark them as fake. He just f*** around with western countries, not so much with the FSB.
next is 12th grade maths. Polinomials can lead to you inventing encryption again. Everyone who gets an A in high school is now on a list for potential future terrorist activity.,
No their reason is that he doesn‘t do enough to prevent those crimes, that‘s a different thing. Still does make zero sense, what should he do against it
@@apacheaccountant9757 What exactly is going on? He owns a platform that enables drug selling and terrorism and does not cooperate to moderate it. Ofc he has to be punished then.
@@werryl7448 You can make your own end to end encryption. Its not that hard you think the drug sellers and terrorists don't have this? And how is the fight against those going? There is still drugs. Terrorist attack are getting worse but less reported by media🤣 Those thing will keep going even with no telegram.
But you need to verify your channel first for minimum req Its "channel" not your "ID" After that you good to go Downside! Payment go through Ton token not cash or visa
@@yuriy5376 stop spam, are you government bot, hater, idiot, or what? And why you use few different opinions as your own, depending on the comment you're anserwing to?
Haha, you're right. The funny thing is that there are many Western agents in Russia who are trying to look like the media and the opposition. They criticize everything in Russia, but now they are silent about Durov’s arrest.
@@yyyy-uv3po, и присел он, кстати говоря, не за свои политические высказывания, а за свои финансовые махинации. по тебе видно, что ты не следишь за ситуацией, но тянешь за политику. ты дурачок, не лезь сюда)
What I don't get is why the Telegram guy got arrested but not the Signal guy, even though Signal is supposedly way more encrypted and private. To be honest, it just makes Signal a little sus to me... of course, I have no evidence. But never underestimate state actors
Durov : I’m leaving Russia where free speech and human rights are not respected to the west The West : 😂😂 we don’t respect it either, we just make it our value in books so our citizens know we’re the good guys and Russia is the bad guy
West: tries to criminalize e2ee russia: 1 step forward in this race - already banned Signal, multiple attempts on banning telegram in the past so it's more like "we're becoming bad guys, but look at russia, it is even worse, so we are still good in comparison"
i agree, but it does not apply to the United States (there were some exceptions but those were exceptions). the US is the only free country, unironically lol France, the UK and such - are just EuroSovok (EuroSovietUnion), unfortunately.
No, Russia truly is the bad guy, not just making them seem this way. If you don't believe me, go to Russia and start criticizing the government or their invasion of Ukraine. You'll be instantly thrown in jail without any option to defend yourself. Buuut, what the west is doing is not good either and they're supposed to protect our freedoms. The problem is: what are we going to do when no country on this planet truly allows free speech 🤔 PS: I really don't think any acts of terrorism should be allowed to be organized through an app, but governments can't hold the platform owner accountable for this.
@@youknowwhatlol6628 Snowden? Assange? Chelsea Manning? These are not mere exceptions, these are very big cases. The US is not actually free, it just gives people more superficial freedom than some other countries, but I don't think that it's better than Canada, Japan, Sweden or Finland in that department.
and if he disagrees he suddenly becomes suicidal or has a deadly car accident🤷🏼♀️his co-founders also have deadly accidents around the same time⌚ these things may look designed but are actually not designed🤫
The more politics take over private life, the more people forget the most important phrases that found western society: "mal usum non tollit usum" and "nullum crimen sine culpa", you cannot be blamed for other peoples actions.
The problem is 8 out of 10 people are okay with losing all privacy because of "think of the children and I have nothing to hide". So this will continue...
Huh. Do you really want those videos of people getting their heads cut off and other sort of violence exist on such messaging apps like Telegram? If yes, then good luck man. I find it funny btw how many people take his side without even realizing the point of his detention. You all want everything to be private, but you don't even think about the consequences.
@@advance5189I don't want beheadings to happen in general. Video recordings of those are gross, disturbing and inevitable on the Internet, and I wouldn't want to be around a person that I know watches them and finds excuses to keep watching them, but that's why I DON'T WANT TO KNOW if someone watches that stuff, and snuff in general. I know there can be a perfectly adjusted member of society whose oddity is watching gore on the side, I just find it hard to let my bias not guide me once I know something private about a person I have a strong opinion on. The solution is allowing people their privacy, now knowing about a person more than they need to, and expect the same courtesy be extended to me. Privacy is what maintains identity and diversity of thought, and both of these are vital if you want a people-centred political system when you put different opinions in the ring and see which wins out. Homogeneity of thought because nobody is allowed to think differently or support different thinkers for risking ostracization means there is no opponent in the ring, and only those in control of the information ever win.
@@jaideepshekhar4621 I don’t, but at least I want Telegram moderate content itself. Anyway, everything should be always open for security services. If Big Brother comes to Pavel Durov and says “Here’s a warrant for you, please give us the keys to your ciphers so we can find a person X who’s engaged in terrorism ”, he’s obligated to give them that info. Every country has its own set of rules and you must adhere to them, no matter what.
The motto is older than the USA. It used to be like this, but we've unfortunately grown very socialist and authoritarian since then. Particularly in the last 50 years
Your understanding of liberty is childish. No country, not even the USA, allows for infinite unquestionable, unlimited freedom to do or say whatever you want. In french laws, social media owners are treated with the same law as newspaper publishers and as such are asked to moderate their content. Simple as that.
It was only free and open long enough until the Overton window brought freedom to a sufficient number of people who learned to think for themselves. Then... well... they cracked down.
Europe: freedom of speech, we're "civilized" Also europe: criminalize end to end encryption - the last bit of tool people have at their disposal to be truly free! Wow! ✌️
@werryl7448 Maybe you should watch the video and read his comment again. EU does not only want to ban e2e, they also are hard at work to suppress freedom of speech under the mantle of "hatespeech"
I noticed that when talking with Americans on the internet, Europeans are very proud of how they don't have free speech. They consider it an advantage lol.
Absolutely eye-opening, encapsulates the delicate dance between tech pioneers, privacy, and governmental authorities worldwide. The spotlight on Telegram's functionality and its accusations are particularly interesting.
Lincoln's often quoted lines “ You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all of the time “ means that ( one could tell lies and get away with it but not always .)
when are they gonna arrest zuck, gates,musk, bezos, Dorsy, google guys since all their companies have also abetted in some crime. if they want to make an example put of telegram guy then why wouldn't they go for the big fishes
Musk was actually pressured for Twitter not going for political censorship as it was before he bought it. So he might be next. Zuck and the rest - they are the one who pull the strings in the government to end their rivals. Heard of Blackrock? Check its relationship with western IT giants and news outlets.
Zuck works directly for CIA, literally was financed by them (and so his social media). And most of who you mentioned are part of the system (the Oligarchy).
Those companies already cooperate with them and give them whatever information they want and more. Some of the higher ups in these companies are working with the Pentagon. Bezos even tried to get a seat at the Security Council. And both his and Musk's space companies have contracts with the Pentagon. Also, Assange wrote a book about Google I'd recommend if you're interested in how interconnected big tech companies and government is.
@I.K.illedThatBeardGuytransplants don't grow new hair, they just displace from the back to the front. If you're too far gone the only option is to shave it because no money in the world will save you (ie: Bezos)
@@TypeScriptTV Mike Lynch was an avid James Bond fan. He did not die as the media is saying. He publicly died at sea but instead escaped to a nearby submarine. From there, he was fired in a specially modified torpedo to New Zealand where he will link up with Zuck and others before they finally dustoff for Antarctica. It is all part of the plan.
Noooo, Telegram is literally my cloud. I upload everything on it, even big files as splitted rar file and I have been using it for 6 years. Also I really love stickers it offers.
You thinking and understanding is constrained by the media. Both the government and courts are controlled and owned by the corporations/oligarchs. As well as media and most of social networks.
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If end to end encryption becomes illegal, then politicians financial records should become public.
Exactly
Why stop there. All government data should become public domain and they should be forced to live stream everything they do at all times while serving.
we should replace people and have an open source AI algorithm to rule the world, where our votes would count towards new implementations (like pull requests)
If it becomes illegal, they will cry for it to become legal again...
Incidentally, in France, they are.
Criminalising end to end encryption is crazy
No, thats not the point. His plattform does nothing against terrorism e.g.
They want access to data collection
@@Petersilie161 how do you suppose he does that when it's END TO END ENCRYPTED...
They don't know what their customers are sending through the platform by design. This is exactly what the comment OP means by criminalising E2E encryption. By going after the creator they're sending a message to other E2E apps that they're not safe.
@@Petersilie161how can you do something against it if it’s end to end encrypted? You don’t know anything about what’s being discussed. Are you going to ban whispering in someone’s ear too then?
Yeah yeah we all saw sams video.. lets watch this one now shall we?
Pretty dark world we live in when a private conversation is illegal.
It's not private. FSB agents are reading it every day for fun and giggles.
Well, luckily they aren't. So cheer up.
@@zagreus5773 You should see some one about that case of naivety. Its pretty bad.
Private conversations are not illegal... they should be when people like you are this dumb though.
@@zagreus5773 yet
By their logic, if someone does a murder with a knife, the knife maker company should be held accountable for this murder.
They already are. All your buying products have receipts and can be tracked back to you. Unless you got it from a random guy in the alleyway.
That is something applyable to the real world. Market laws are not equal to moral laws. Just because you can sell something it doesn't mean you should sell it.
No. What you said does not go by their logic. Telegram can prevent most illegal activities by cooperating with the officials but a knife maker cannot install a camera and a tracker on a knife. Makes sense?
@@SirMonk Why can't a knife maker install a tracker on a knife?
@@coffeeScryer Simple answer. It can be taken out or you can physically mess with the parts and not be held accountable because it is a knife and will be used against tough stuff. Can you enable E2E on a social media platform that doesn't support it? You can't. There's nothing you can do about it.
And apart from that, you need to work on your analytical skills.
“You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.”
Okay, Big Brother. Show us *your* texts.
exactly what I've been telling. if those law enforcement agencies want to access our data they should share their messages first and show us what's on their devices.
What do you mean? It's classified, they can't show you that, silly!
They should 24/7 livestream their own bedrooms and bathrooms if they don't think anyone deserves the right to privacy.
"Make sure Mike Lynch doesn't win in the end." - Big Brother, probably
@@wdl2499 Exactly, That is our point too.
" He has a net worth of 15 billion dollars and owns nothing " That hits harder
or the part about escaping conviction from the US courts only got get whacked by the CIA's sharknados
He owns nothing, ask if he’s happy
@@Cbp846 He is happy. Source: I'm his hairline
@@Cbp846 he owns nothing but he helps FSB to own YOU, and you should be happy about it 🤣
@@yuriy5376 He helps the FSB so much that they want to ban his app /s
" Privacy is not a Crime "
AMEN
Unfortunately it is seen as one in France...
Yep, Mozilla has to say that...
Warum schreibst du Crime groß?
Bend over dude
Criminalising end 2 end encryption is basically like criminalising privacy, it’s like criminalising people speaking quietly or going to a different room to have a discussion in private, something thats basically a human right.
Right? Like whoever said that privacy should be criminalised should also release his wife's clothless images and stuff to the public.
If he's a politician, he has much more incriminating information than his wife's pictures to worry about
@@Zoro4Swords Or they should never close the door while going to the toilet because why would u if u've got nothing to hide, am I right? rofl
@@sterix_gg fr
It’s not a right if it can be taken away
Remember, Jeff is not suicidal
Remember that he knew he had a warrant in France, while being a French citizen for some weird reason.
We know governments kill specific people all the time. It's not like anyone can do something about it
Remember, Jeff belong to the street
It’s okay, his helicopter had a malfunction
@@TheSupriest Wasn't warrant signed while he was en route to Paris?
Asymmetric Encryption is easily one of the greatest inventions in human history
Thank you math wizards!
For instance Aes sym vs pgp asym right?
@@skidibidup yup
It is also much more inefficient to use and thus only key exchange protocols use it.
Nah forreal
Benjamin Franklin once famously said, "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."
Robert de niro also said that in the irishman
@@quetzal8100 👎👎
so did the pretty little liars theme song lmao
My buddy Eric also said that to me and my brother
@@keepmehomeplease I told Eric, also he owes me 5 bucks
Are you kidding, what kind of extremism and terrorism? The fact that Pasha does not give away the keys to the TG does not mean that he supports it. On the contrary, he protects ordinary people from draining correspondence and personal data!
I actually heard TG gave the keys to Putin years ago, thus ending, also with The Internet Soverignhty Act, the end of free Russian internet (very dangerous). Now Im hearing Putin doesnt have em?
Well he gave keys and has been banning anti-Kremlin materials, so telegram is not free. Remember the last "free" elections? Well so-called "smart voting" was banned by Telegram. Remember the movement of wifes of mobilized Russian vatniks? Their telegram group was banned as well. Durov is in a very tight connections with FSB and Russian government. + Telegram officially collaborates with the governments of Iran and Indonesia. Why shouldn't it be collaborating with democratic countries while having tight connections to totalitarian anti-humane regimes?
exactly, people are failing to graps that... a more exaggerated example would be that u can't invade people's houses with the excuse of stopping terrorism when u just want private data... similarly u can't criminalise encryption because that would be criminal to all other people.... 😅😅
their rhetoric is "he doesn't cooperate when we try to capture criminals". Not "he supports them".
The same was in russia, and russian government get off of his back only when he cooperated to catch terrorists
The whole of Russia military uses telegram, that kind.
Remember, the government doesn't like competition
They dont like free speech either.
And they can't shut down Bitcoin. I love it.
Free as in beer? Because they see okay with that; as long as they get their 20%
The russians are currently urging their elites to delete their communications on telegram so they probably had a backdoor and are afraid the french now have it too.
@@pepsico815 wait until they jail the bitcoin CEO
I love it how everyone constantly talks about how he left Russia because Russian authorities wanted him to cooperate with them, but nobody mentions that he left USA because U.S. authorities wanted him to cooperate with them
Newsflash, every government wants to spy on its citizens, regardless of how democratic/authoritarian it is
Well, two wrongs don't make a right.
why you think he doesn't cooperate with both of them? bc he said so?
@@GenaLector he cooperated, it's not a secret, but there's no evidence that Telegram did integrate backdoors into E2EE chats
Anyone capable of critical thinking is aware of these Western double standards.
There is another issue, however. Pavel Durov has always been a US government asset.
VK was literally created by US Big Tech for the US government as a bridgehead in the Russian internet, and Durov was just a figurehead.
Funny that the Russian government wanted access and he said no, they let him leave the country peacefully. Now the French wanted the same thing and he said no, so they decide to imprison him. Clown world.
when the sane one is russian then there is something world in this world
This is an attack on western society. They want our privacy gone, our money controlled through CBDCs, they want us in a cage, a tiny one at that, doing nothing more than the little we're allowed in our future 15 min cities. Tools like telegram need to be gone. If successful, then tools like signal will be next. Ultimately they want privacy to be outlawed and any1 insisting on it will be deemed a criminal because "u can only want privacy if u have something to hide". The future is bring.
lol, westerners are so naive 😂 like little babies
no one is leaving russia without a pegging session with FSB
@@Exoskel2 Because Russia relies on Telegram to spread it's propaganda about war etc. They banned the signal app that provided true encryption. The Russian government is exactly the same as the west.
That’s not how the situation went
By this logic, the inventors of cellphones, planes, automobiles and even electricity should all be condemned and held accountable since they faciliated so many terrorists attacks
If they were repeatedly asked by the authorities to block public terrorrist/drug dealing communication channels that are supposed to be under their moderation but declined this totally legal request, then yes.
@@yuriy5376 but why did the authorities repeatedly ask Telegram to block t*rrorist access, but not ask the same of car companies or energy companies?
Fertilizer manufacturers
A plane is not a social media, might be hard to understand for an American
@@yuriy5376communication providers are not responsible for what is communicated over their networks. They are protected by having common carrier status.
That Mike Lynch and co-founder both dying in freak accidents the same weekend story is wild
Some boeing level fuckery
Not only that but his ex-wife died from a car "accident" shortly after.
Wait.. that was true? I honestly thought it was a joke.. holy sh..
how do you fake a yatch accident?
That anyone thinks its a freak accident is the crazier part.
They hate not having total control and will violate any and all standards, morals, and laws to attain it. Literally evil.
fr fr
If you just ignore the other accusations.........
Israel 🇮🇱
They only want us to use social media owned by the tiny hats
@@Diablokiller999 The "law" has become so convoluted with so much different crap shoved into it that you can literally be charged for anything and jailed for anything if there are enough lawyers and money involved.
But Telegram is the only place I could find a lot of uncensored study materials for free😢, and it really help me a lot in my studies especially in biology
lmao this guy, find another source!
Dark web
Got a lot of research papers and stuff on that one website i can't remember the name of, but it got so much
That's the only option if this is gonna die
@@StatusNull
He did say "only place he COULD find."
@@春-n9z
Hey do you use dark web often? If you are comfortable, can you search something I would want to know.
THERE FUCKING GOOGLE AND CHATGPT!
So he left bad Russian, so no government interfered in his socials, and he got arrested in good France for the exact same thing. Ironic.
Devil in a new dress
All governments are the same.
Good for him😂 Maybe he will finally learn that all government are same as Russian except North Korea that one on whole other level of crazy
The RN is far right funded France political party and currently the majority in the assembly.
France is a puppet state of Russia.
Stop being idiots. It's just basic french laws about responsabilities of publishers. Internet social media owners are treated like newspaper editors over here and need to follow the same rules regarding the content on their platform, very basic stuff. Unless there's a risk he'll flee the country, he probably won't spend a day in prison.
I love the slogan of my country is "Liberty, equality, fraternity" then does bullshit like this all day...
Fuck this
France is a rathole
it's what happens when you kill god and put men in his place
@@wilburdemitel8468 the Church would be able to justify anti-privacy laws too, silly.
I mean, it was created during a revolution against all those things
It’s like google’s “don’t be evil”
They aren't glowing green anymore, they're boiling red.
Coal red gem
They mad asf lmao
glowies bvck broken. All hail the sharty
Saying telegram is bad is like saying a knife is bad.
bin that telegram!
Telegram aint bad, just the humans are...
"But we'll see if he's ready to lose everything to become truly free" - I like how this can be understood in 2 ways.
"Not give up" = lose your freedom, go to prison. "Give up"= lose everything you ever stood for, become sellout.
This is the pivotal point of the story where he can choose to go down with his words and become a legend, or sever it all for one's own life.
@@ultimaxkom8728I'm def for saving my own life first
the basis of a significant part of all comedy is the multiple meanings of words/phrases..
@@yellonuim1741 he also may not land in prison, he could get some sort of rare monkey flu and he is off
The feds tried to ban PGP back in the day, classifying the cryptographic algorithms as “munitions” to prevent them from being distributed. The creator got around it by publishing the code in a book which was protected by the 1st Amendment. It’s crazy that the war on encryption is still raging on.
to be fair. government should be the only one who can judge what was legal or not under cypher. But modern wester gobernments are politically corrupted, so they can use your messages against your political career.
Phil Zimmerman deserves his spot in the Internet Hall of Fame, and free beers for life.
It's not a war on encryption, it's a war on YOU
everybody claims the chinese and russians steal american tech but the US govt and its stupid fucking corporate lackeys do the same shit from actual american citizens that come up with stuff
Encryption was classified as munitions since encryption was used in war. Meaning always. PGP can be distributed today because the limits of "war grade" encryption have been raised. This is a really badly understood interpretation of what happened. Nobody banned PGP specifically, the laws had been in place for decades. Pgp just broke them, but it was important enough to change laws (at the usual pace of law making)
"His hair unreceded out of respect" rofl 🤣🤣🤣
rofl
must be the same respect that got Elon unreceded and ungrowed his nose.
rofl
Would you rather have a receding hairline or a proceeding hairline?
Ain't no need for a hair transplant when your hairline starts to respect you again 💯
His situation is an interesting illustration of the price one might pay for seeking true freedom and unfiltered information flow. His pioneering work with Telegram, while controversial, has made a significant impact on how we perceive and use social media.
If promoting basic privacy is a "crime", then we are living in a world run by criminals.
Torturing animals, child porno and terrorism is not a crime according to you then?
@@Gargantuan_Inferno in that case, all social media apps are equally guilty and should be banned then.
you're not making any points here
@@Gargantuan_InfernoAh yes, it's either getting rid of that or privacy. You totally can't do both.
"Yes, now we will put cameras specifically in girl's bathrooms for their security" ahh sheep. 😂
@@Gargantuan_Inferno you do not deserve to breathe
We are living in a world where privacy is illegal
I wish having privacy was illegal and the systems in place wouldn't allow other to take advantage of it, like some automated LLM that would see everything and if something illegal was going on, either by in real life conversation/actions/body movement or online, it would take notice and law enforcement would take action.. unfortunately that is too utopic
Not in my country (turkudurkistan) tho
@@o1-previewLiterally 1894
@@o1-preview this mf a boot licker lmao
@@o1-preview "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
3:09 Why does every politician that's against encryption look like a bridge troll that got rich and cleaned up
They’re all communists.
facts
They all serve the juice !
Because capitalism?
Physiognomy.
Noticed that Codeforces changed its icon in support of Pavel Durov. great to see the programming community standing with him
@@batkorubno. Because real developers know the truth.
He's seriously facing 20 years in prison because his app has encryption?.. 1984 was right about everything
He won't face anything at all. And no it's not about 'having encryption' or whatever. It's about not moderating his social media and not allowing french courts to access personal data when a case is underway.
He's been charged with fraud, money laundering and sanctions evasion. The telegram stuff is basically because they tho k he's using the platform to facilitate this activity.
@azer How TF do you access end to end encrypted data? 😂🤡
@@jaideepshekhar4621 Glowies access it every day, they're just jelly because they can't decrypt it 😂😂
@@azertyuiopqsdfghjklm Jesus, bot, calm down and stop shitposting under every comment. Yes, you can try hard, but Macron daddy won't accept you to his harem, unless you're not a fresh lunopopik.
That Mike Lynch bit is crazy. I saw the headline, but never read the article. They literally took him, his character witness out on the yacht, and then his co defendant in a car "accident".
We are officially living in the Bourne movies.
Yup evil knows no bounds. It won’t be governments who stop the corporate evil. It’ll be the 99%, you and me 🫵🏽 😢🦅🇺🇸
But we need the Bourne hero. Matt Damon, do you job man
I was totally unaware of this. Commenting to see the other replies
I mean they really are going a bit too far, we get it, you're the ones in power, but they're getting impatient with it... Absolute joke of a world... NOT AN ACCIDENT!
Who? HP?
illegalizing end to end encryption is beyond gross and disgusting. people like that should not have right to express their opinions.
As well as people who think that hiding crimes behind "peivacy" is not illegal.
Agreed, they are the true criminals and should be in prison
I mean, it's gotta be fair if we grt to read gov officials messages :)
They can express their opinion, they should just make sure it's end to end encrypted when they do so we don't know who is saying it. Otherwise you know, going to be consequences for these kinds of people eventually, assuming they don't end up in a bunker taking the easy way out like others of their kind.
@@timurrte5694 Hi glowie, how many kids have ya groomed?
If this is illegal, imagine when they illegalize conversations inside houses.
If he gets to prison for this, we are all doomed.
nope. only animephiles
@@me_12-vw1viit has been my source of anime for 2 years
@@me_12-vw1vi
No. Everyone who thinks freedom has any value. Stop with your bs.
Only pdffiles and math-cooks
@@diadetediotedio6918 cope n seethe animephile
the evil corporates does not like even the tiniest fragment of freedom
That is false. You have all the freedom they allow you. Which historically, is quite a lot.
@@obsidianjane4413 glowie
govt you mean
@@natecoley160And who basicly runs the govt? Thats right
Yeah, those evil corps... I hope the CIA stock tanks because of this!
"Privacy is not a crime"
We want justice for Pavel Druov
No we dont.
@@akirathedog777 goverment bots don't, that's for sure.
@@MrBoBrilO cry more, i bet you also cry when musk and bezos get criticized
@@akirathedog777 There you go. You showed your hand. I dislike Musk too but you don't care about injustice. You're just a brokie hating on people who have money. inb4 you call me a bootlicker or some dumb shit because you have no actual counterargument.
@@akirathedog777 read the situation bro, it's not like any other musk/bezos controversy
Free so called countries criminalizes the only non-corrupt guy, who could have known such hypocrisy and corruption could exist?
The struggle for privacy and unfiltered information is more crucial today than ever before. This case clearly marks an essential divergence between two ideologies, corporate/government control and individual freedom.
In 1848, there were revolutions across Europe that fought against government overreach and police states. One of the outcomes was the right to privacy - the government was henceforward forbidden from opening your mail. All this progress has been rolled back since 9/11. If the government is forbidden from reading your mail, why should they be allowed to install a trojan on your phone to read your electronic messages?
Because we don't turn our politicians into wind chimes.
@@bishopofeternity48 I don't get that metaphor, please elaborate...
@@meltdown6165 They're hanging in the wind.
And suddenly mike lynching twin towers makes sense.
@@meltdown6165 Because our politicians think they can get away with it without risk...
wow, that Mike Lynch story is scary
glowies got him
"Story" he said a few words about it which isn't even the truth.
@@NakedTrashPandaWhere's the lie?
@@NakedTrashPanda Just checked Wikipedia, it's all there.
Just google it bruh. The news are still fresh.@@NakedTrashPanda
If Telegram is in trouble for "lack of moderation and cooperation with law enforcement", that means that messaging service that is not in trouble is actively moderating and cooperating with law enforcement. Which means they can read your chat. That's supposed to be news, I guess.
Telegram has almost no moderation and every cyber criminal knows that. It's number one ahead of the darknet for a reason.
Like this comment if you want illegal immigrants out
To paraphrase 🤣
That's KING Terry A Davis, please.
@@thebrapman*Prophet
I think a very important word is missing here
😂
So this is what Freedom, Democracy and Capitalism feels like?
I love oligarchies, neither capitalism, nor communism!
If you host a meth lab in your house, the police asks you to give access to the premises, and you repeatedly decline it, would you play victim in this situation?
@@yuriy5376 if you're in the toilets, a random dude asks to enter and you refuse, are you wrong ?
we can all invent unrepresentative exemples
@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme lol good one
@@yuriy5376 imagine you are a pig in a den and american authorities come to slaugher you for salo, but den keeper stops them and gets arrested for it. Oh wait, you don't need to imagine😬
"is engineered to be extremely annoying to anyone who glows in the dark" is such a nice Terry Davis reference.
@@epajarjestys9981 No one claimed he did.
is that a ref to their glow-in-the-dark eyes from allegedly consuming a certain fear-induced hormone?
glowie confirmed
@@epajarjestys9981I'm fairly certain he did. Calling 3 letter agency workers glowies comes from Terry saying they glow in the dark when you drive at night
Reference to Terry the king 👑
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I'm surprised that this name is being mentioned here, I stumbled upon one of her clients testimonies on CNBC news last week...
I keep hearing a lot about Mis. Tracy Britt Cool Consulting O'Reilly, she must be really good
We are witnessing a dystopian nightmare’s beginning. Governments, and the powerful are taking things to unacceptable levels.
yet he we are accepting the unacceptable
Things aren't so bad, most people think governments and wars are bad but things aren't so complicated
this was expected, eu always had a fake democracy, new players are joining the game, eu elites dont like it
then dont accept it. the more who resist, the less who have to fight
@@soundscholar5408 with that attitude it will get worse and they will have more power and us less freedom
After posting this video, Fireship sadly passed away from the rare bullet-in-the-head disease.
Uh.. the mainstream newspapers that I religiously read everyday and that never lie say it was a suicide and there's nothing else to talk about it, I guess I'll trust them..
😮
This is very rare, but it does happen. Nothing to see here, please move onto the election news.
Have you heard new THING that KAMALA or TRUMP said? Better talk about that, citizen.
An acute case of intracranial lead poisoning
bruh wasn't even arrested in Russia but in the land of freedom France the irony of western hypocrisy
have you considered the possibility that the Russians didn't want him arrested?
@@lmancz they blocked Telegram in Russia so obviously that is bad logic
@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 they tried to. basically failed to do so, and then somehow Telegram wasn't banned anymore. even official news channels were using it so their channels names were shown on TV screen. I don't know why they switched, but it sound sus.
Just cause they blocked something doesn't mean they're gonna arrest him
@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 Telegram isn't blocked in Russia. There was an attempt by some retarded politicians in 2018 or so, then the executive department tried to block it but failed miserably and fell back
France has made a very good advertisement for telegram, and it's free too 😂
Ironic how he fled Russia for this exact same reason. Maybe the West isnt much more different at the end.
This.
France does not compare to Russia
@@chrikkeFrance has fallen long ago, well atleast they got good food
Why france bruh ? go to singapore or maybe israel or china these are not good but way better for russians rn
With all its problems, "the West" is still infinitely more free than Russia. Russian propaganda literally has a talking point of "West is evil censoring everything, Russia is actually more free!!"
Refusing to share subscribers' personal data with Mossad and the CIA is not a crime!
Fun thing... they actually did share data of suspected terrorists on requests. Thing is EU tries to pass the law where police and such will have access to your personal data at any moment without any kind of requests and paperworks. Why? Because they want to get AI to analyse personal data, creating profiles and analysing people's mood so they will know what should be changed in propaganda to make people calmer. So yeah, the worst cyberpunk dystopia is already here.
Well, you said it. Mossa'jew'd.
Refusing to share your data to them is inherently antisemitic.
@@YozgyurVatansever hhhhhhh
It is a crime in USA
If you're an FBI agent and you need a backdoor to access users' private chats on some platform, and you're risking the freedom of others to stop terrorist attacks and illegal activities, then you're a really bad FBI agent (because the terrorists will just use another method to communicate, and the only thing you'll leave with - is a fucking backdoor in the app that another criminal will use to steal the user's data)
And "it's complicated" is not an excuse. We pay taxes so that the government can solve complex problems, not take the easy way out, which will expose us to the risk of data leaks.
Free Pavel Durov
where you pay taxes? in Elabuga?
Dude he got arrested in France, the fuck are you talking about the FBI for?
@@Crihs95 The US also tried to get him to install a backdoor in Telegram.
No ones privacy is worth more than someone elses life and saftey
@@MB11BM44 this is the plot of a billion dystopia novels
>Pavel refuses to hand over information on Ukrainians using Telegram to the Russian government and has to flee the country
>West cheers
Pavel refuses to hand over information on other countries' citizens for the same reason
>West enraged
LoGiC
Lies. He is doing what russians tell him. That is the problem.
@@LLlap Pavel Durov refused to comply with the Russian government requests to close rival politicians pages on VKontakte, the company that he created with his brother that is similar to Facebook. He was eventually forced by the Russian government to sell the company to them and flee the country under fear of imprisonment, torture, or death. That's why he moved to the UAE.
Please don't speak about things that you have no idea about.
@@AllansRamblings dont be naive. He is working with the russian government for years.
я не наивная.
@@LLlap "trust me bro"
What a fking mess, it's the same as saying that the creators of weapons are involved in murders. Durov gave you freedom, and how you use it is your responsibility
The enemy really isn't even trying to be subtle anymore.
This lack of subtlety is a tool of intimidation. Dictators force people to do absurd things and say absurd lies not because they hope that people will believe in such behaviors, but to remind their servants that they are so completely dependent on the dictator's whim and they must accept them without protest. This is why all evil people in power like being so comically obvious.
Who is the enemy?
@@rolletroll2338 Well, the people who want to eliminate your privacy are the enemy.
@@rolletroll2338 small hat oligarchy
government @@rolletroll2338
"If he is ready to risk everything to become truly free" has double meaning here
Wow
He doesn't risk too much in Russia, tho. He deletes Russian oppositional channels or mark them as fake. He just f*** around with western countries, not so much with the FSB.
BARS
- (double meaning too)
Criminalizing E2EE is crazy. The “good guys” aren’t even pretending anymore.
next is 12th grade maths. Polinomials can lead to you inventing encryption again. Everyone who gets an A in high school is now on a list for potential future terrorist activity.,
It's like arresting Tim Cook because they might as well commit crimes from their Apple Devices
I don't think you understand the case...
they are not arresting tim cook because he just fine with selling users data may be
@@Blinkubuscould you explain please?
If Tim Cook laundered money....
No their reason is that he doesn‘t do enough to prevent those crimes, that‘s a different thing. Still does make zero sense, what should he do against it
Thank you so much for covering this. The situation is absolutely crazy and deserves much much more attention than most mainstream media give it
They own the mainstream media
Please help to promote this video. Everyone should know what’s going on
@@apacheaccountant9757 What exactly is going on? He owns a platform that enables drug selling and terrorism and does not cooperate to moderate it. Ofc he has to be punished then.
@@werryl7448 You can make your own end to end encryption. Its not that hard you think the drug sellers and terrorists don't have this? And how is the fight against those going? There is still drugs. Terrorist attack are getting worse but less reported by media🤣 Those thing will keep going even with no telegram.
Telegram has ads, the good thing is channel owners where the ads appear get 50% of the revenue
Gotta get paid for giving up all that personal info to the FSB
@@yuriy5376What are you talking about lol
@@weathermanx shit he has no info about
But you need to verify your channel first for minimum req
Its "channel" not your "ID"
After that you good to go
Downside!
Payment go through Ton token not cash or visa
@@yuriy5376 stop spam, are you government bot, hater, idiot, or what? And why you use few different opinions as your own, depending on the comment you're anserwing to?
3:37 Is that actually true? And people complain about Japan's legal system?
Bro picked up one of the worst countries to be a citizen of… it’s like Canada but in Europe
Yeah lol wtf was he thinking
yeah kinda like the US of the eurasian continent
What country to choose then??? I am from Russia btw
Like Hungary Serbia Macedonia wouldve been much better@@artyom6654
@@artyom6654 probably anything but France and UK
If he was arrested in Russia he would immidiatly get Nobel prise, Sakhorov prise and all other prises.
Too bad it is free and democratic arrest.
"It's okay if we do it"
russia has been trying to ban telegram and get durov starting from 2017. he a rebel
Yeah, like Navalny did, right?
Haha, you're right. The funny thing is that there are many Western agents in Russia who are trying to look like the media and the opposition. They criticize everything in Russia, but now they are silent about Durov’s arrest.
@@yyyy-uv3po, и присел он, кстати говоря, не за свои политические высказывания, а за свои финансовые махинации. по тебе видно, что ты не следишь за ситуацией, но тянешь за политику. ты дурачок, не лезь сюда)
The Mike Lynch bit is insane.
glowies still got him in the end
its ok, he's insane down at the bottom of the sea rn since his ship he was on sank :>
So you think the government controls the weather???
Not as insane as believing the universe came from nothing.
@@motashaiye Not as insane as you believing a goat can be your wife 🤣
What I don't get is why the Telegram guy got arrested but not the Signal guy, even though Signal is supposedly way more encrypted and private. To be honest, it just makes Signal a little sus to me... of course, I have no evidence. But never underestimate state actors
i have the same question
Durov : I’m leaving Russia where free speech and human rights are not respected to the west
The West : 😂😂 we don’t respect it either, we just make it our value in books so our citizens know we’re the good guys and Russia is the bad guy
West: tries to criminalize e2ee
russia: 1 step forward in this race - already banned Signal, multiple attempts on banning telegram in the past
so it's more like "we're becoming bad guys, but look at russia, it is even worse, so we are still good in comparison"
this right here.... reality
i agree, but it does not apply to the United States (there were some exceptions but those were exceptions). the US is the only free country, unironically lol
France, the UK and such - are just EuroSovok (EuroSovietUnion), unfortunately.
No, Russia truly is the bad guy, not just making them seem this way. If you don't believe me, go to Russia and start criticizing the government or their invasion of Ukraine. You'll be instantly thrown in jail without any option to defend yourself.
Buuut, what the west is doing is not good either and they're supposed to protect our freedoms.
The problem is: what are we going to do when no country on this planet truly allows free speech 🤔
PS: I really don't think any acts of terrorism should be allowed to be organized through an app, but governments can't hold the platform owner accountable for this.
@@youknowwhatlol6628 Snowden? Assange? Chelsea Manning? These are not mere exceptions, these are very big cases. The US is not actually free, it just gives people more superficial freedom than some other countries, but I don't think that it's better than Canada, Japan, Sweden or Finland in that department.
Now he gets told we want a back door into the system or else…
This is government kidnapping, not a lawful arrest
and if he disagrees he suddenly becomes suicidal or has a deadly car accident🤷🏼♀️his co-founders also have deadly accidents around the same time⌚ these things may look designed but are actually not designed🤫
the dumb part is everyone know theres a backdoor leaves and they killed the app for no reason
If another Fireship video doesn't come out after this, we know who got him.
Some guy in the comment said he died but I don't know
It's intriguing to see how the use of end-to-end encryption makes it a complex issue. Looking forward to the following developments.
Casually dropping that mike lynch suggestion is wild
Is it wild though?
The more politics take over private life, the more people forget the most important phrases that found western society: "mal usum non tollit usum" and "nullum crimen sine culpa", you cannot be blamed for other peoples actions.
The problem is 8 out of 10 people are okay with losing all privacy because of "think of the children and I have nothing to hide".
So this will continue...
Huh. Do you really want those videos of people getting their heads cut off and other sort of violence exist on such messaging apps like Telegram? If yes, then good luck man. I find it funny btw how many people take his side without even realizing the point of his detention. You all want everything to be private, but you don't even think about the consequences.
@@advance5189 You want to ban end to end encryption???
@@advance5189I don't want beheadings to happen in general. Video recordings of those are gross, disturbing and inevitable on the Internet, and I wouldn't want to be around a person that I know watches them and finds excuses to keep watching them, but that's why I DON'T WANT TO KNOW if someone watches that stuff, and snuff in general.
I know there can be a perfectly adjusted member of society whose oddity is watching gore on the side, I just find it hard to let my bias not guide me once I know something private about a person I have a strong opinion on. The solution is allowing people their privacy, now knowing about a person more than they need to, and expect the same courtesy be extended to me.
Privacy is what maintains identity and diversity of thought, and both of these are vital if you want a people-centred political system when you put different opinions in the ring and see which wins out. Homogeneity of thought because nobody is allowed to think differently or support different thinkers for risking ostracization means there is no opponent in the ring, and only those in control of the information ever win.
@@jaideepshekhar4621 I don’t, but at least I want Telegram moderate content itself. Anyway, everything should be always open for security services. If Big Brother comes to Pavel Durov and says “Here’s a warrant for you, please give us the keys to your ciphers so we can find a person X who’s engaged in terrorism ”, he’s obligated to give them that info. Every country has its own set of rules and you must adhere to them, no matter what.
funny thing, Telegram DOES have ads
not as usual understanding of ad, just lil message rarely in some channels AFTER all posts was readen, not while
@@meritocratik obviously, "rarely" is not "doesn't have"
@@meritocratikad is an ad
tolerable ones
@@Z3rgatul now it has ads, but for many years it did not.
This is what happens when global elite business competition occurs.
"liberté" they say, yet they are openly against it. thank you for sharing this information, the masses must know
The motto is older than the USA. It used to be like this, but we've unfortunately grown very socialist and authoritarian since then. Particularly in the last 50 years
Masses don't care
@@Jugement ptdr t'es ridicule ferme la
Your understanding of liberty is childish. No country, not even the USA, allows for infinite unquestionable, unlimited freedom to do or say whatever you want. In french laws, social media owners are treated with the same law as newspaper publishers and as such are asked to moderate their content. Simple as that.
@@Jugement Nah, the killed and banned lots of things.
Who’s old enough to remember when the internet was free and open? 😢
it is still free in onion land
yep i remember. before everything was locked behind proprietary walled gardens like discrod and telegram. those were the days.
It was only free and open long enough until the Overton window brought freedom to a sufficient number of people who learned to think for themselves. Then... well... they cracked down.
@@voyager-tc9dz misconception, node servers are known to intelligence agencies.
90's internet was an utopian paradise. everything was about cooperation and freedom.
it's turned into hell now.
Europe: freedom of speech, we're "civilized"
Also europe: criminalize end to end encryption - the last bit of tool people have at their disposal to be truly free!
Wow! ✌️
If you think that this is about E2E then maybe you should reread the accusations ;)
@werryl7448
Maybe you should watch the video and read his comment again.
EU does not only want to ban e2e, they also are hard at work to suppress freedom of speech under the mantle of "hatespeech"
I noticed that when talking with Americans on the internet, Europeans are very proud of how they don't have free speech. They consider it an advantage lol.
@@ctmme you really don't get the news here do you
so good this video... I laughed at the turkeyturkistan and the Mike Lynch part 😁👍👍 .. you've got yourself a new subscriber 😎
0:24 The greatest programmer who’s ever lived.
RIP Terry
I like elephants and God likes elephants
When he said "this is how apps like signal work", I thought he meant users are put at gunpoint and forced to open their phone 😅
2:19
😂😂
Flees Russia, only to encounter a government far more tyrannical, the irony....
Oh come on, you don't know Russia if you say that.
But what France did here, that really sucks :(
@alexandrudodon1 i do know Russia. And its less tyrannical than the news claims it is
Son, in russia he'd already be dead.
@@AndRei-yc3ti then you certainly don't know it :) I'm from a former soviet union country for context.
ahahahahaha
Absolutely eye-opening, encapsulates the delicate dance between tech pioneers, privacy, and governmental authorities worldwide. The spotlight on Telegram's functionality and its accusations are particularly interesting.
The power level of fireship is off the charts. Guy knows his stuff.
This video shows he knows nothing about TG and just manipulates his audience that TG is NOT the biggest platform for drugs/cp/snuff videos/etc.
@@aazaaazaa also, "unfiltered truth about wars". Right...
Lincoln's often quoted lines
“ You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all of the time “
means that
( one could tell lies and get away with it but not always .)
let us say, it was Pulitzer, that guy with the prize.
Refusing to cooperate with law enforcement? Half the meme channels I followed on Telegram disappeared because they "violated local laws."
The image of them creating a tornado to get revenge is the realest thing I have heard all year.
Out of all the countries, brother chose France 😂
Dude you are so based it's incredible and an honor to have access to such a channel on a google service.
Man put humour and informative together. This made my day
Next France forbids whispering.
Nobody forbid anything, it's just a person who knowingly covered up a bunch of criminals being persecuted.
@@user-qn6kb7gr1d
What is his crimes?
@@TheTruth-ko9ov wasn't it stated publicly? Or did you think it was a prank?
@user-qn6kb7gr1d
Yeah it's prank like you and like France
when are they gonna arrest zuck, gates,musk, bezos, Dorsy, google guys since all their companies have also abetted in some crime.
if they want to make an example put of telegram guy then why wouldn't they go for the big fishes
Musk was actually pressured for Twitter not going for political censorship as it was before he bought it. So he might be next. Zuck and the rest - they are the one who pull the strings in the government to end their rivals. Heard of Blackrock? Check its relationship with western IT giants and news outlets.
Zuck works directly for CIA, literally was financed by them (and so his social media). And most of who you mentioned are part of the system (the Oligarchy).
Because the others you listed cooperate with them
They want to test their new Digital Services Act on someone not so big.
Those companies already cooperate with them and give them whatever information they want and more. Some of the higher ups in these companies are working with the Pentagon. Bezos even tried to get a seat at the Security Council. And both his and Musk's space companies have contracts with the Pentagon. Also, Assange wrote a book about Google I'd recommend if you're interested in how interconnected big tech companies and government is.
0:14 my goal
Just like Elon?
@I.K.illedThatBeardGuytransplants don't grow new hair, they just displace from the back to the front. If you're too far gone the only option is to shave it because no money in the world will save you (ie: Bezos)
... to not have relations with women?
@@mikgol81 who said he did not have relations? He just does not have a relationship.
I just read about his arrest, and now your video pops up. You’re faster than the speed of light.
Speed at the cost of accuracy of information
@@flytrapYTP is Mike Lynch still alive??? 😮
@@TypeScriptTV Mike Lynch was an avid James Bond fan. He did not die as the media is saying. He publicly died at sea but instead escaped to a nearby submarine. From there, he was fired in a specially modified torpedo to New Zealand where he will link up with Zuck and others before they finally dustoff for Antarctica. It is all part of the plan.
"We can't encroach on your personal freedoms, so uhhh.... you're going to jail"
French intelligence known for back doors in software for data collection
There was a similar situation with Telegram here in Russia, but after the special services gained access, all claims were immediately withdrawn
Noooo, Telegram is literally my cloud. I upload everything on it, even big files as splitted rar file and I have been using it for 6 years. Also I really love stickers it offers.
A bot stole your comment and is above you with over 100 likes 💀
Oh noooo, your cp 😂
@@AbdulMuhammad-mh7eg bait used to be believable
@@lolo_o4309 hahaha the power of tits
@@AbdulMuhammad-mh7eg
Rich, coming from someone with that username
the weirdest part is the fact that government dont seem to control the court system..... or at least totally
Perhaps the few families/dynasties which owns and controls all the Governments of the world, also own and control all courts?
I mean once they do - the country becomes autocracy just like Russia
You thinking and understanding is constrained by the media. Both the government and courts are controlled and owned by the corporations/oligarchs.
As well as media and most of social networks.
Oh, they do. But they like to create an illusion of "not totally" to make it look like it is a justice system, while it is actually a coercion system.
They do, mate. Ask Assange.
3:17 I didn't expect to see my town here...
Sooo alluring!