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Cold Hardy Permaculture: Food Forest, an ecosystem pond, swales, and more.
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So much abundance and I LOVED seeing your family!! I loved your point about kids learning through your food forest and keeping bonds strong by talking and harvesting together. Our homestead has been the primary way we’ve educated our homeschooled kids.... and ourselves :)
Your point about maximizing photosynthesis has stuck with me for months now. Your research and videos have been a major influencer in how I’ve gone about creating our first food forest (this year) and I’m even growing my vegetables among weeds and grasses, hoping (believing) they are working in tandem to build up the silty clay soil we have to work with. But not everyone agrees - I keep getting advice to weed my garden because the weeds and grass are keeping my vegetables from growing bigger and faster. What do you think? Have I taken it too far? Do you think the weeds and grasses are feeding or impeding? Is there a fine line to walk when combining these ideas with homestead scale vegetable growing?
Thanks for another great video. Looking forward to Poppy’s next garden tour - saw him waving at the end :)
All my best.
Thanks again for your incredible comments. For the weeds and grasses there is a spectrum, and what changes as you go along the spectrum is a tradeoff between production this season at the sacrifice of all future seasons, and the other end is a sacrifice of this season for all future seasons.
Let's look at one end of the spectrum. Industrial agriculture. It sprays and weeds and kills all competition. The plants this season have zero sunlight and water competition, and will do very well. The soil however, not so much. It is being mined. However, the farmer sees large profits and incredible yield in the fall. But we all know what happens next. The soil gets mined and depleted year over year and the farm is sold as it slowly becomes impossible to profit from it, because the soil is now dirt (no life).
So what have farmers done to remedy that? They have moved to the entire opposite end of the spectrum for one season. Yes, I am talking about fallow years. In this season the farmer sacrifices all yield for the season in order to let weeds go rampant and take over the field. We then call this crop rotations (usually corn then soy then fallow, rince and repeat). This is better than depleting your soils for sure. But the question is... how many home gardeners will allow their garden a fallow season?
So anything in between those falls at some point on the spectrum. The thing is, I have found that I can get 90% of the yield, and 90% of the fallow "gain", by simply allowing plants I deem beneficial to co exist with my tomatoes. Then when my tomatoes are done, I can sow something else in, or focus on a soil building winter crop like winter rye, vetch and cow pea. Most people just let their garden stay bare once gardening season is "done". But the soil life isn't done. They still need to consume root exudates, so they need plants, or their populations collapse, and along with it goes fertility.
So instead of rotational cropping of 100%, 100%, 0%, giving a 3 year average of 66.6666% (repeating of course), I go with a constant stream of 90%, for an average of 90%. Of course the numbers are completely made up to make me correct. But you get the idea either way.
So yes, those people who say to weed ARE correct. Your tomato plant this season will produce more if you remove all competition from it, and weed weed weed. However, if your perspective is any longer than one single season, then allowing soil building weeds to steal 10% yield every season will do tremendous things for long term soil fertility. And those same people who tell you to weed will come to your 10 year old garden and will not understand how your plants are thriving so much. The soil life is rampant, because you allowed a polyculture.
This response was worthy of a video in and of itself. I should just read it and splice in some B-roll and bad bing, new video.
Thanks again for being so active in this community. I am so happy to have you along for the ride, and watch your gardens also thrive.
Just remember, my methods lead to my methodology. Don't worry about this years plant. Worry about NEXT years soil.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy The key to knowing when it's appropriate to weed lies in your "plants I deem beneficial to coexist" with the selected plants already in the ground. So pull, as needed, the crabgrass in the drip zone, the twining bittersweet as it germinates under young fruit trees, the jewel weed that overtakes the volunteer chervil (but leave the rest for the hummingbirds), the currently tiny pokeweeds hiding out in the strawberry groundcover under the cherries (but leave some pokeweed to mature in your outer zones for the birds). Weeding is an art; I find it helpful to think of it as "editing nature." P.S. if you do a video including winter cover crops, please don't leave out my favorite, crimson clover. It breaks down so easily in the spring in a no-till system!
This is a great comment, as are all your comments. I definitely have to remember to try crimson clover this fall.
Canadian Permaculture Legacy WHAT a terrific response!! I’m VERY grateful. Yes, I hear you. I’ve noticed so far that some plants simply don’t tolerate competition (fennel for example, so I weeded around it), but that others don’t mind at all (tomatoes... although it’s tougher to catch pesky hornworms in a jungle). My tomatoes are yielding large amounts of big fruits so I’m hopeful... but the beans and vining plants are looking stunted. I’m guessing that the 10% less yield you used as an example could vary vegetable by vegetable since some suffer and others don’t. It will be interesting to see this season play out. Very exciting possibilities! I’m definitely most interested in the long game and building soil, so losing a small margin of yield is a fair sacrifice. Thanks again for another helpful conversation. It’s lifted my spirits .... I was feeling outpaced by the weeds by I realize it’s not the weeds I gave to control, but my thoughts about the weeds.
Also remember that it's a long game. So relevant observations would be consistency between seasons. If beans are always struggling, etc. Year to year I can have various plants perform well, and others that aren't as good as my best, and it's sometimes difficult to pin down the reason. There are just so many factors at play. But repeated results longterm are relevant.
I would love to hear your experiences and results over the next few years, and we can learn off eachother. All of us.
As an engineer the innefficiency of modern ag is like having an itch in my brain that i cant scratch.
Happy I stumbled upon this- I am a designated professional like yourself in Canada. Learned a little too much about agriculture, soil and climate. I wont stop until I have a food forest and can get access to healthy foods to under priviledged communities.
Awesome!
Exactly what I'm looking for! Ontario! Yes! Thank you fellow Ontarian!
Nature is bonding!! We have 3 girls and have bonded over backpacking. The more awareness you have about conscious living/eating, the harder it is to go back. I had carbon monoxide poisoning. It was awful, but somewhat of a gift because my body is very aware of the vehicle pollution we've all normalized. We, as a people, have normalized so many things that are bad for us and the earth. Thanks for educating and bringing awareness to all of this!
Hey! I saw one of your comments on Reddit. I love this concept so much! I’m an ecology student from the UK and I really want to get into a career within rewilding. I never thought of the potential of combining traditional rewilding with growing foods too so this was really educational!
That's awesome. I hope you stick around and watch/comment as the years go on. I would love access to your opinions and feedback on my videos. I really enjoy when my watchers have science backgrounds and can help me learn and I also help them. I'm in the science field myself, but not ecology. Everything i have learned in this area has been self taught (well from textbooks, but still). It's nice to have true experts in the audience. It also keeps me honest when people can call me out on stuff.
We only learn by surrounding ourselves with the best of the best. :)
I don't know a whole lot about permaculture but if you are interested I really recommend watching "Kiss the ground" on Netflix. It is fascinating
I've been studying rewilding lately, it's an interesting subject. I'd never considered food forests as a part of that, considering rewilding is basically giving the ecosystem what it needs and what it used to have, and then walking away lol but I could totally see how the two could coexist and be an extension of one another. I try to maintain the healthiest most natural ecosystem I can on my forest land, it's so rewarding to see wildlife thriving on land you cultivated
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy I’m glad I’m not the only nerd who buys textbooks that aren’t required for a class. I graduated school three years ago but I still buy textbooks in subjects I love
I will stop learning when I die. What's the point of being stagnant in life?! 😜
I really enjoyed this, especially because it's Canadian zone 4.
Thank you 🌷
great video, ive watched hundreds of videos on permaculture this year and this one is the best summary of the whole food forest concept ive seen
That's quite the compliment :) Thank you
It feels so great when your perennials have a couple seasons under their belt and really start to be established. Your garden looks amazing!
It really is cool watching it sink its teeth in. You can feel yourself becoming less and less important, because the system is self sufficient and no longer needs your help.
We love all those who practice Permaculture! 👍❤🌱
Thank you for such a useful video! I'm in QC (zone 5) so it's incredibly helpful to see examples of what other Canadians are doing with our shorter growing seasons.
Glad it was helpful!
Great! You are ahead of me. Although I planted more than 40 fruit tree in 2016, I am starting only now to convert it partially into a food forest the rest being an forest pasture.....
Doesn't sound like I'm too far ahead! Awesome stuff 👏 👌
this is so nerdy i love it, i cant wait to have land to do this and make spreadsheets lol
Always insane amounts of value in your videos. Thank you for deep explanations!
Wow that’s beautiful ecosystem in your backyard I’d never get bored thx for the video!
Thank you! Genius!! for sure I will be watching.
Nicely done. Keep growing and sharing your experience.
Wow, this is a big compliment coming from you Stephan. You were one of my biggest inspirations. I have wanted to visit you up at miracle farms and pop in and say hi.
For anyone who doesn't know Stephan, go click on his picture there, subscribe to his channel. He is one of the best in permaculture in my opinion.
I love what you do too, keep up the good work and let's build an army of change together!
Loved seeing this! Live in Finland and gonna start my own garden this coming spring. It's been difficult to find others interested in / doing food forest type gardes in colder climates (we tend to hit -20C at least one week per winter). Thanks for the inspiration!
Best of luck! You can do it!
Finland has a perfect climate for berries for sure :)
I'm in zone 3, Alberta Rockies. I appreciate very much that you take the time to show and explain your growing process.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback 😊
Greetings again from Nova Scotia! Appreciated your demeanour on the 1st post I viewed so much that I went back to your very 1st posting. I am 5 years into doing what you are doing and as you suggest it will always be a work in progress! We have 2 acres plus wild forests outside of what we own. I started with raised beds and have since added some 20 plus fruit trees!
2 years ago I ran across a great article that did a great job of explaining the fundamental difference between a “commercial” orchard/farm and a “backyard” garden/farm which is what we really have! Because we don’t have to accommodate all kinds of commercial equipment there does NOT need to be so so so much space between fruit trees/veggies/small fruit and with good planting/planning I have been able to add a lot of “production” in a rather small area. The article also specifically mentioned that almost all the instructions that come with fruit trees and the like are for commercial purposes and really do not apply to what we are doing!
Anyway enjoying your posts and wish you well for 2021!
For sure. Commercial agriculture is way more efficient in terms of production per person (at the cost of efficiency per sqft). But nothing can beat someone's backyard in terms of production per sqft (at the cost of efficiency per person). I.e. its more labour intensive to pick in a dense highly managed space, but the production goes way up.
Someone in a tiny backyard has the highest production per sq ft possible, even more than me here on 5 acres (with 1-2 planted), because each sqft get so much love and attention.
Really love your channel, and learning about your family. Couldn't agree more with you: permaculture and parenting meld so well and permaculture has enhanced my relationship with my kids.
I find it fascinating to watch folks do permaculture in places that are so different from where I am. It's beautiful to see permaculture design work in all kinds of climates and locales.
Thanks and right back at you. I learn a lot from you. I find we have a very similar mindset and approach to permaculture. I also really felt your video you made about the negative comments. Just something we have to get good at ignoring. Sometimes I find that no matter what you do, no matter how righteous and just, someone out there will always find a way to critique it I guess that says more about them than us though. I always think if I just treat people with love, and do good things, then that's all I can do. If someone takes offense to it, I need to realize at that point it's not about me, but about them. Totally felt your frustration on that one.
Totally addicted to your channel! Your vids are reinforcing what I already have learned to regenerate my own stripped land into an abundant healthy 🍏 forested supplier for future generations! Will pass along to those I know who need to learn about working with nature, instead of fighting nature. Thank you for sharing such knowledge in an easy to understand manner.
Wonderful! Thanks for watching. I'm hoping to be producing content for decades, so that people can look back on 30 years of content of what it's like living inside a food forest ecosystem.
Beautiful beautiful! I love your approach and this is a great video. The thing that impresses me the most is how food forests affect human relationships. How they strengthen families and create a line of positive communication among friends and neighbours. I loved seeing your family!
Thanks 😊 for sure, there is something about nature and food that creates bonds. Combining them is a sure win!
Amazing and educational as always, it all looks fantastic! 👏👏👏👏
Thanks!
Finally! You guys introduced yourselves! Howdy from Texas, but recently moved to upstate NY zone 5!
Keith, I am learning so very much from you. SOIL! Chop-drop. My personal fav: "I chose you (whatever lucky plant)." : )
Love you guys and thanks for your passion and sharing your journey.
xoxo
Kelly
haha thanks Kelly. Make sure you also check out Jack Spirko if you haven't yet. I don't agree with everything that guy thinks/says, but he sure knows a lot. Very good resource, and is in Texas.
great vid! i just moved to NB and will be homesteading in the near future. cold-climate food forests is not as widely discussed, so, THANKS!!!!
That's exactly why I started making videos for it. When I started I couldnt find any cold hardy permaculture videos.
Seems to be more of a concept for the tropics, but we are all going to have to run the experiments and build a knowledge base for the future generations. Exciting times imo!
A wonderful perspective on the challenges we face. I think we can al benefit from living a bit closer to the earth. Even just as baby steps.
I just watched this video again. I have started to read the comments. I am looking to move to NB. How are you finding it there? I have a friend who is a real estate agent in Moncton. She has sent us several amazing properties that are affordable. Ontario is almost out of our price range.
Good to see you from Ontario looking for some ones in Ontario
Nice intro to your food forest and vision. Also, it was great to see more of you and hear from you, Trish!
I have been telling her she should try to be in some more videos, so you guys don't have to look at my mug every time.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy LOL
Wow!!! You really thought this through!!!. I'm so pleased to see this video. Awesome!! OMG 😲. I hope 🙏 that other people come to your teaching and knowledge of the greenery to heart. OMG..
I am currently involved with a reforestation project to reclaim a area that was ( soil stripped ) by planting key plants to this area ie; manitoba maple, elm, green ash, burr oak and horse chestnuts to the area. In future we p.an to add other plants as mountain ash, hawthorn etc... keep up the good work.
Robert Macdonald of Canada 🇨🇦
Good luck to you too! Good work!
HA !!!
Clover as crop guard fence.
Excellent, need to know how it works over time and its effectiveness on the different plants you have in the garden.
Great work, Thanks!!
I find clover can help prevent *some* grasses creeping in, but because it's so low, it's more of a companion for other ground covers and less of a ground cover that outcompetes other plants.
Incredibly informative video thank you for putting this together! from a fellow 4a permaculture noob located in minnesota!
Awesome thanks:)
Lovely family! I’m glad your kids are enjoying the rural life. It’s just so much more pleasant and the kids get a good sense for what’s real and a connection to the food they are eating. Nice tip with the rabbits. After watching your videos, I took out the cages on 5 young American plums and planted guilds around them (blackberries, peppermint, bristly locust and comfrey). They’re not yet as dense as yours but eventually I want that to be a fedge. So far they haven’t been devastated by the wildlife yet. I’m thinking to put back the cages in winter bec I think they would munch on it if there is nothing else to eat. Maybe I’ll leave one or two uncaged to test it out...
The most important piece people often forget is to plant something they like in that guild also. Don't forget that, or they will gnaw on your trees.
Canadian Permaculture Legacy I have clover that came with the pasture so I guess they’re eating those first, but I just worry what happens in winter when there are no greens
Hi I am super excited to find you channel! My wife and I currently live in southern Ontario and are looking at moving to a bit more rural of an area and I am really excited to try to start a food forest. Seems I found you at the exact right time.
Perfect! We may be somewhat close to eachother too. Hopefully you can get a lot of valuable information out of the varieites that I plant.
This is easily the best video I have ever seen for wanting to plant in abundance
Thank you!
This is the kind of thing I wish my family and friends would be doing with their backyards. I'd do it, but I live in an apartment with no yard.
Very cool. I live just across the border in Michigan and have a backyard orchard which is pretty amazing (although your pond is off the charts!).
I have most of the same plants,
shrubs and trees you do. In my yard, the things which are trouble free are Paw Paws, currants, goose berries, kiwi, haskap and raspberries. My blackberries grow well but are low producing.
With most everything else, I’m constantly fighting the weeds, the deer and other critters. Saskatoon berries and mulberries are deer magnets.
Also, I don’t know how you can grow apples and peaches without spraying. I would be very interested in learning how you deal with these issues.
Also, the birds eat 99% of my cherries.
Check out the latest wildflower hill update. The End if that video I talk about my philosophy for growing inside a living ecosystem. Stuff like that helps solve a lot of problems before they start. It's but bulletproof but it helps a ton ajd has really worked out well for me. Many people around me have massive pest problems that I don't have anymore.
I saw a video of an eco farmer who explained that weeds bring the nutrition that nature needs to fight off pests naturally. He noticed that apple trees with stinging nettle growing around were able to fight off pests better than apple trees that were 'free of weeds'.
Ingenious solution to the rabbit issue.
Subscribed.
Thanks 😊
LOL. If it says berry on the end, we have it. Love it!
I've been slowly grinding my way towards an engineering degree, and I'm coming up on a point where I'll have some leeway in that I can take some classes in addition to the ones I'll need for my tech related degree, so lately I've been spending my spare time doing a bit of research into which classes would be best suited to my goals.. always wanted to pick those classes based on what could be useful for working towards the future of a high tech society living sustainably in harmony with nature, picturing a world with communities centered around the ideas of food forests, closed resource loops, and communal maker-spaces. Creating a sort of solarpunk fusion between high and low tech solutions, and working to make it the new norm, that's what I want to do with my life..
... and I find your garden and your videos inspiring.
Keep it up! Your permaculture legacy is already growing well beyond the bounds of your property.
Sounds like you are following a very similar path to me! Best of luck 👍
I use these and am very happy but I just think you have one of the best advertisements ever!
Yes sir your on the right path. I started learning with MI gardener, then Paul gauchi and James prigioni and now i bought my land last year and I'm hitting the ground running with a mass collection of edibles and companion plants. Abundance while helping your environment is fun stuff my friend.
All amazing channels. I'm honored to be mentioned alongside them. I am particularly happy about James. I was watching him when he was at 2k subs.
Great tip on the rabbits!
Live the video the sugars also feed the fungi!!
We need more engineers running this world, fewer useless lawyers. Sad you had to move to rural area from suburbs just to have a garden, but that is the sad state of our modern communities.
I moved out mostly for financial reasons. I just didn't "believe" my house actually tripled in value over a decade, and I wanted to catch that insanity wave as it radiated out further into the country. Also, I detested the kinds of conversations all my neighbors tried to have with me. Nothing but stupid gossip about other people, what cars their bought, how much they thought they made, etc. I really needed out of suburbia.
I discovered my passion for gardening once I got here, started digging into the industrial food chain, etc.
Very nice and informative video! 👍👌
I live just North of Victoria and learning to grow year round even with the few cold days and snow days 2-3 this winter Thanks
Thanks for sharing!
I loved your family bonding through self-sufficiency! I'm also interested in your opinion on the Seabuckthorn. Thanks for sharing your setup!
I’m an old mechanical engineer from Ontario and I can relate! I’ve come to the conclusion after 5 yrs of reading and watching agriculture videos, that changing what we eat and how it’s grown can take care of SO many global issues…climate migration, global warming, extreme poverty, the diabetes epidemic, the cancer epidemic, hunger, species extinction, water pollution…and on and on! I just had a conversation with a guy in Ontario, who has a hobby farm. I told him about the food forest concept- going to pass your video on to him…he seemed interested in the idea (yea I’m talking about you Geoff 😂)!!!
Awesome 👌
[Yes, in response to you near the end, it is a very informative video for cooler climate gardens. Can't wait to garden!]
Great presentation. Really interesting.
Thanks!
You can also eat clover flowers! They're a wild source or plant protein which is super cool 😁
You are very wise, the rabbit solution was genius
It works really well
it found your channel...my goodness you are a wealth of knowledge thank you very much for sharing it! I live in NH, USA and growing season is short like yours. I’m so excited to learn from you. Setting up my infrastructure for the past few years And starting to plant in the next couple of months. Really delighted to find your channel going to order my clover now LOL!
Fantastic! Make sure to check out the essentials playlist. If you want to see the property, I have a video called "4 year old food forest from the sky".
So awesome thank you so much!
No, thank you for watching! Another good one to start with is "this will change how you garden forever". That one is most likely to open your eyes to the power of gardening in a different way, where we work with nature, not against her.
yes, it did hel- me! i’m binge watching your channel soaking everything up that your teaching, I had no idea on many of the things you teach in your videos. I have been coexisting with the cute little rabbits but didn’t know about smells that could discourage and aromatics for pest confusion, how terrific!
Western Nebraska here. Zone 5b. We get the best and worst of both worlds. Lol thanks for the great ideas!
I want to try this...
This is so inspiring! I started out gardening this year and am having great results with a no dig method.... But building the soil even more comprehensively was constantly on my mind and I have been wanting to understand how it really works inside the soil and how nature is doing her magic. Your perspective is really blowing my mind.. like maximizing solar panels... boom! Of course! Just the basic fact that plants build soil! Somehow I never made the conscious connection... the symbiosis of soil life and plant life is so magical it almost makes me weep... 😅 when im in the garden i keep hearing «Thou shall plant stuff everywyhere” and maximize solar panels! There is no doubt in my mind that this is the right way for the future , for our relationship with nature and our food. Thanks for making your food forest and thanks for sharing your knowledge with us all! I have to move next year so I have to leave my garden, but I am praying for a long term situation with land to experiment with this way of growing food. Much love from Germany 🤗
Awesome. Have you checked out this one yet? th-cam.com/video/cFLyGVhu0bY/w-d-xo.html
If I have one "must watch" video, I really think it's that one. It's the one that I think best encapsulates all the things, into that forehead slapping "duh of course!' moment, where that lightbulb comes on and the whole world makes more sense than it used to.
Canadian Permaculture Legacy yes! That was the first one I saw. Absolutely blew my mind... Do you have other sources for this information? Would love to read the eventual studies or research behind this... if there is any? Thanks again.. changed my mind forever 🤗
It's hard because it is kind of all over the place. I would say to start, dig into the research by Dr Elaine Ingham and the soil food web institute. They have a website at www.soilfoodweb.com. I actually really dislike the website, as it has turned into selling courses and products. However, you can find a lot of her work under the publications tab: www.soilfoodweb.com/publications. 77 different peer reviewed and published papers on the topic dating back to the 1970s. It's no wonder she is considered the world expert in her field.
There is also links to various book chapters. I haven't read all of them yet but the first few were great reads.
Just be aware that a lot of the stuff is deep into the science, and can be overwhelming to say the least.
Canadian Permaculture Legacy fantastic! Thanks I will look into this.. I just a cannot wrap my head around the fact that there are so many myths about growing food, plants and about soil/plant life in general.. this is our base of life! Like clean water (which is also a huge issue) we do not seem to understand what damage we are doing to our home.. I am used to plough through scientific papers so I’ll manage but there is really not much knowledge about this in the collective mainstream. Thanks again for sharing!!! It is gold worth and I will spread the information in my world!!
That was the most shocking thing to me too. But then it also kind of makes sense.. the food industry is massive, and like all systemic problems it all comes down to greed and money. They don't care if they are destroying the planet as long as they are making money hands over fist, so they can buy their 7th vacation home. Its terrifying that a small portion of billionaire sociopaths are walking the entire human race off a cliff.
Amazing job!
Man, you really know your soil symbiosis science!!
It's definitely a passion of mine I never knew I had. Information is the cheat code to life.
From Russia with love. Kazan city 👋
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What a smart system you've come up with!
Thanks for explaining it in such and articulate and illustrative way!
We had to unlearn modern gardening and agricultural methods that are inefficient, expensive, and harmful, to go back to God's intelligent design.
I planted 4 peach tree seedlings this past fall and 4 days later I discovered the rabbits ate them down to the roots. I was so mad at the cute little creatures. Thanks for the idea of cohabitation.
Yeah, it's frustrating, but we have to understand that they are just trying to survive. They would gladly eat something else if it is available.
Nice. I live in Minnesota zone 4 and have turned a 1/3 acre of lawn into a food forest. Took me years to get rid of the useless lawn because I'm too old for a farm. The area is actually considered rural, but I live in the largest city (which is a huge overstatement) in our county.
Good luck! I hope it goes well :)
Wow~ Thank you so much for sharing! Really useful and encouraging!!! (Also. Could you please consider to make a video about how to grow those mushrooms?)
Check out a video called "this is the MVP of your garden"
Crazy that this is possible in zone 4. I am in zone 6a and hoping to start something on my little property.
would love to do something like this !!!!! would love to learn more from you !!!!!! my family and i are hoping to buy our first property next year at this time
Make sure you check out a playlist I created called essentials. It has all the more info packed videos. But if you just want to sit around and watch what it's like to live in a system like this, check out the "day in the life of" playlist.
Thanks for Sharing- your info is always helpful! - I'm a TH-cam Gardener in Zone 3 Sask and working towards getting a zone hardy food forest in my yard. Haskaps, Saskatoons & Buckthorns are on my for planting this fall.
buckthorn 😨
Upupa epops Sea Buckthorn - hardy bush for my Zone 3 climate . Berries have some great health benefits.
@@LittleGardenSK Ahh I see.
Hi well your very knowledgeable in what you grow and preach . I'm a orchardist in western Canada / landscaper .I'm always interested in growing eatable fruits and planting different varieties on my farm and clients properties . I'll keep watching to learn more. Be safe out there.
Thanks! I love when experts in their fields watch my videos, because the comments section becomes this wealth of community-wide experience. Thanks for joining us, the greater community here. It's a wonderful group of people.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy Hello ,I'm glad to be a part of this community. I also have another channel called myorchardvideos I'm also subscribed to you there.
Just came across your channel and loving the content. Has anyone ever told you that you look like James Franco 😂
Haha all the time. Even just last year in a work meeting of all places.
Amazing how that rabbit trick works
Watching this again, and again and again...Lol. Preparing for plantings. Do you have a reference that you have used for finding cold hardy trees and plants? I’d like to find a list and build guilds using lots of variety. I was wondering if there was even a reference that breaks down the different categories. Overstory, bush, herbaceous, vining, etc. I was watching a video somewhere that was showing the cold hardy kiwi as a vine which I didn’t realize it even was! Love your content and wealth of knowledge that’s packed into all of them!
That's the tough part. I have never found a great reference guide for cold hardy permaculture plants and guilds. Maybe the best is a pdf from a place called midwest permaculture. I can't link it, but if you google midwest permaculture guild guide or something like that you may be able to find it. Other than that, it's just from watching video and reading books for about 5 years. If you look at the "community" section of my channel, I have blog posts on my favorite permaculture books. You can look into picking up a few of those.
Incredible idea with the rabbits.
Years later and it's still working. Infact, we just had a snow melt on some abnormally warm days in late December. I went out for a walk and there is rabbit poop EVERYWHERE. There are so many of them in my land, but I lost almost zero plants to them this past season. It's really working amazingly.
Amazing! I’m zone 4 too! I’m on my second year. Where about are yas located? Great job!
Another great video! Love the knowledge and resources you are sharing. It amazing to see how your land and guilds are producing!!
Just a quick question, where did you get your king straphoria started from?
I went to fungi.com, but the shipping was too high. I was sad and wanted something more local. I ended up finding something in a small country town called Warkworth called Wylie Mycologicals. They were great. My winecaps are from them.
I keep my meadow area high for wildlife food. I figure it would keep them from the foreign foods that are my crops.
One question always on my mind is how the other permaculture people get the finances to develop their landscape while living outside populated centers.
I am trying to expand with seeds and cloning because I run on $600/mth.
You are very brave. You will do amazing with seeds and cloning. Just keep faith in what you are doing. Faith in what you are creating.
Thanks:)
Hello good to see Ur garden it's a wow
How is this managed in the winters
Not much to do. This year I painted my peach trees with a lime based natural "paint" (it's not so much a paint as simply crushed lime), this protects it from warming up too quickly and cracking.
I have some trunk protectors for rabbits. I also planted late season kale for them, so they eat the kale and leave my trees alone. It was very successful. I have so many rabbits around and only a little tree damage this year.
Other than those optional things, nothing at all.
Great tips
Thanks ! I am in zone 4 here in WI, USA . The hardy kiwis do fine here for some people I know, but peaches and paw paw I have yet to keep alive for more than 1 year. But I've only tried each twice and plan for next time ( when we get on some land again) to give them an even more protected ( from winter winds etc. ) spot, with more overstory hopefully helping as well. I'd always read in directions for paw paws, that if not down south ( hot, hot) to have them more in sun than shade, but I recently read that it can really help to have them in more shade while getting established, anyways.. any comments on that ? I've never even eaten 1, they just sounded like a good desert-replacement fruit, plus a great chicken food maybe ( high in protein). I also plan to order from the most northern propagator I can find, for cold-hardy selected stock, Edible Acres of NY is one, they r in zone 4b/5a at least, I think, but I don't know of any colder, yet, who grow what they sell/grown around there.... . I do plan to mainly focus on what " wants to grow" though, berries, hardy pears, unusual fruits such as dogwood fruits ( can be seen in the Jungs nursery catalog), etc. . Hi to fellow cold climate growers/permies !
Yeah, I can definitely attest to paw paws getting damaged in the sun. They seem to be only susceptible during the first 3 years or so. After they get stronger, they can take (and actually want) quite a bit of sun.
I think its a decent idea to do 1 of 2 things. Either:
1) plant them in a shady spot, and let them be an understory tree. They will enjoy this quite a lot, won't need much help. They will eventually sucker and run a thicket out, and the trees that hit the edge of thenforest and get access to sun will fruit quite well. The ones that stay in the shade will likely fruit poorly but be really strong trees. This is the ideal solution if you have plenty of space (and time).
Or
2) plant them in full sun, and baby them the first 3 years or so. Give them some shade via shade cloth, or whatever you can do to help keep the sun off them. Then once they get stronger they will be fine in full sun and will reduce a ton of fruit. This is the ideal solution of you are limited in space (or time).
Hey Keith, I love your videos! I've watched a bunch and you have great tips and provide a lot of inspiration. I have one problem I haven't seen you talk about yet. I bought my first apple tree last year and planted it in a non-fenced location. The deer came in and completely stripped it of all branches until it was essentially a stick in the ground. Do you have any thoughts or suggestions on how to get a newly planted tree passed it's infancy stage? Thanks!!
I have a few videos on my deer strategy. Basically thick walls of thorny bushes. They will jump a 6 foot fence no problem but are less likely to jump a 10 foot wide bramble patch. Getting a dog also helps, and letting it outside a ton. My dogs are outside more than they are inside.
Deer are often the worst in rural fringe subdivisions. There's no food for them, and there's no room to make large bramble walls. If that's your situation, a lot of people use cattle panel fencing around the trees.
Verge Permaculture is just outside of Calgary. A fantastic resource.
Absolutely. Rob is fantastic and also a fellow engineer :)
Super information!
Thanks for watching Laura
After watching so many of your videos, I have finally come to this one. I love it, and everything you are doing. As my gardens and food forest grow, I plan on adding more layers, right along side the wildlife habitat I am creating in my yard (small pond to be added in a year or two).
My focus on my ornamental/ wildlife gardens is restoring native plants, here in Southeastern Michigan. I am doing my best to avoid non-native plants (with the exception of some annual crops), to boost bird and pollinator populations in my urban city. I avoid anything non-native AND invasive like the plague, which leads me to question your decision to grow highly invasive plants like mustard garlic and sea buckthorn. Are they not a problem in your area of Ontario? I’m not judging by any means, but those two plants surprised me in your food forest.
Keep up the great work, and Happy Holidays!
Thanks for the comment, sorry it took so long to answer - been so busy.
The garlic mustard isn't sowed by me, it shows up. I let it grow until it flowers then I chop it and drop it. No harm done this way.
The sea buckthorn is amazing, I love it so much. Great insect plant, healthiest berry, soil builder. It's invasive now because our soils are destroyed and it heals destroyed soils. It has a very hard time growing in fertile soils, and under shade. So having it in a food forest is okay in my opinion, because it will just naturally pass on after it's done its job.
Just my opinion though.
I'm all for invasive lists and controlling what we plant. I don't agree with many nitrogen fixing plants being on invasive lists, because they are only invasive because we've reverted our soils to damaged Pioneer soils, and that's just their niche
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy Thank you again for all you do, and no worries on the response time. Your family and personal should always come first. I am extremely grateful to hear from you.
That’s a smart use of the garlic mustard, since it is already there. It makes perfect sense to take advantage of it. (And also smart to chop and drop it before it goes to seed).
I one hundred percent believe you on the benefits of the sea buckthorn. Also, smart use of it to heal your souls as well. Yet another reason why I love your page: you always teach me something new. Thank you.
Invasives can be a touchy subject, I know, but I also know many can be very beneficial for restoring our ecosystems from all the damages caused by monoculture agriculture and chemicals. Thank you for taking the time to talk about them with me.
Merry Christmas to you and yours! I look forward to seeing and learning even more from you in the future. ☺️
Yeah, the subject of invasives is very polarizing indeed! Happy holidays. We are watching Lampoons right now. Yearly tradition.
Where did you find a list of all the cold hardy plants for zone 4? (I'm zone 4b and also half way between Ottawa and Toronto so we are likely fairly close to each other.) I have two food forest areas just started and would like to fill in with a lot more perennials. You are doing exactly what I would like to do and everything you say makes so much sense. Thank you.
Thanks Fred. I have a video about how I got started making a permaculture food forest. In that video I talk about the process I went through for the first few years. Basically taking many many hikes and just learning every plant around me. Plant ID apps, searching them up in google, learning about the plants and their uses on plants for a future www.pfaf.org. I knew noth about this half a decade ago.
It's amazing what a conscious focus on learning something new every day can do after half a decade of doing it.
Hey. Love the channel. I’m a year and a half into food forest permaculture myself. I’m in zone 5 in WA state so I appreciate a cold climate focused channel. I want to plant a fig, but I wanted to know if there’s anything more hardy than Chicago hardy, and if I can leave it in the ground or if I should have it in a pot and move it to the shop in the winter? Thanks so much and God bless.
There are, but I've only done Chicago hardy. There are 2 things... cold hardiness but also time to ripen. The tree may survive but you need the figs to ripen fast before winter comes. Some trees are hardier but ripen too slowly and the fig fruit stays hard then rots.
Apparently Chicago hardy is the perfect mix of both those, and also fruiting on 1 year old wood, so it can die to the ground and still fruit on the fresh regrowth.
Canadian Permaculture Legacy awesome. Thanks for getting back to me. I’m ordering a Chicago hardy. :) God bless
If you're not against GMOs, there's lots of food plants that have been genetically modified to be more cold hearty. GMOs get a bad rap because corporations abuse the power, but the technology can be used in extremely beneficial ways
I'm 1 semester away from finishing my engineering degree on the west coast of Canada and I've learned so much from you!!! I am inspired to take on some diverse projects.
Question, do you have any struggles with invasive species or persistent garden weeds such as bind weed, butter cup or whatever else? I understand that the definition of weed is subjective, but some are surely aggressive and compete directly for resources without providing much for us.
Thanks!!
Hey, this is a good opportunity for a video response. Stay tuned. Thanks for the comment and video idea.
It is a miracle.
Thanks for making these videos, as others have already said; it's really useful having a source of info for cold climates. I'm in Northern England at a high altitude, and our winters are pretty harsh, even compared to the rest of England.
As an engineer, are you following any of the various Electric Vehicle manufacturers? I'm really excited about the future of Rivian. I need a utility vehicle, but don't want another diesel when my current vehicle dies.
I have been a big fan of Tesla for a while (much less so for Elon himself). We have a model 3 and it's the best car I have ever driven.
I have mentioned this before in a few places, but I have always bought really minimal cars. They have always been an "A to B as cheap as possible" thing for me. About a decade ago I took a huge job (which I did for about 4 years, until I made radical lifestyle changes as I got into permaculture). My colleagues were buying vipers, and I bought a 12 year old minivan lol.
I'm very excited for the whole electrification transition for humanity as a whole, as well as cutting edge engineering. "Real Engineering" is one of my most watched TH-cam channels actually.
Rivian is very exciting, for sure.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy I've always been more of a minivan man than a sports car man myself as well, hahaha! Utilitarian 'til I die! :D
If it weren't for my rural location I'm not sure I'd even have a car, but around here it's not uncommon to have 6ft drifts across the roads in winter, and heavy rain for 2 seasons per year, so you can probably imagine the state that the surface of our 'roads' are in most of the time, and a 4x4 is a necessity. I try to do as many journeys as possible on an e-bike though, and I've probably cut my mileage in the car by 75% since I bought one in January. If you haven't already come across the brand, check out Rad Power Bikes - they're at the cheaper end of the e-bike scale. So much fun, and it's extended the range of my guerilla tree-planting missions by about 20 miles too, lol.
Thanks for the detailed reply.
Lol. That whole reply is pure awesomeness. I'm pretty sure we just became best friends.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy Hahaha! Goodnight new bestie.
Enjoyed this! Just wondered about the waterfall, looking awsome by the way, are you so lucky to have a stream running over your property?
I do have a stream, but this water feature is completely isolated from that. This whole pond, waterfall and stream are entirely human made.
I loved how you handled the rabbits. Do you have any similar tactics for deer?
th-cam.com/video/52rl9wiPw40/w-d-xo.html check that one out for deer. I basically do the same concept. Make something they don't like on my side, and feed them something they do like on their side. So thorn bushes planted thick, and Jerusalem Artichokes on their side (these are deer crack), plus apple trees.
Amazing 🤩 I live in Toronto. how can I visit the farm and learn in detail the process . Im willing to pay for your teachings 🙏😊
im interested in trying this. My hardiness zone is 3B and my main plant predator is Mule deer. not sure if clover or anything will keep them out.
Deer can be tough, especially in the early years until the trees get above the deer browse height. Cages ajd lots of thorny plants can help get them established. Also having an outdoor dog helps.
Impressed
you have a nice set up there looks like you learned well from Bill Mollison and Lawton.
Huge inspirations
Great layout on your food forest and the video is top notch wtg. Does that pond have any fish in it?
Indeed, we are breeding koi as a side gig. Once we get a good return on that we may move to a sustainable meat crop in tilapia. That would also get any meat consumption down for the family off the industrial meat chain.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy , Good idea and low maintenance also probably your duckweed and watercress could double as a food source for them also.
I'm very interested in working with you to spread the word of permaculture to the world.
Hey Keith! Is Rob Greenfield as Real Estate Agent? This video is so beautifully shot and edited, I thought you might be selling the joint. Harvesting the first pineapple from the food forest tomorrow. Cheers!
Oh wow nice!
The video just wasn't what they wanted, they wanted more of a tour, less information. Just, here is this plant, here is that plant, munch munch, eat eat, etc. I will make a new video with that vibe next year for them. Rob is a great dude, it wasn't anything personal, I just wanted to give their channel some info in a video and it wasn't what they were going for.
Hello - I've been learning a lot from your channel - thank you for sharing! I do have a question - 3 mins into this video you mentioned that you have garlic mustard to help repel animals. But I thought it was invasive to the point that land conservation agencies have programs to remove them from natural spaces?
Indeed. I certainly don't plant it, and it reseeds from all the areas around me. However, I have found that rabbits don't like it, so where I have it growing near my food trees, I let it live until it goes to seed. This is also when the plant is the weakest - having spent all its energy reserves to produce genetics. So cutting it right at that point is also the best way to kill it permanently.
I talk about that in a few other videos. Sometimes it's hard to tell how something I say will come across, and this would be one of those times. I definitely don't want people planting it to ward off pests. But if it happens to show up? We can use it temporarily, as long as we will remember to get it before it goes to seed.
It's so interesting how countries vary in their attitude to plants. Here in England we have garlic mustard all over the place, it's good eating and dies back in the summer, no problem. But our ecologists go crazy digging up willow herb wherever they see it...
Awesome
What kind of animals does your foodforest attract? Snakes? Rats? It would be interesting to learn about the animal life you can expect if you start to grow a food forest!😊
We have frogs, rabbits,chipmunks birds, snakes, mink, owls, cranes, foxes and wolves.
Im extremely terrified of snakes!
Do you first make a map or a blueprint of all the different plant layers you plant next to or around each other. It will be quite helpful to know what goes with each other. Thanks.
As long as you know general sizes of plants, then really anything goes together. I would worry more about making sure you get as much soil shading (because you fill in ALL the spaces) than any other kind of specific plants and what goes together. Think of it more like tetris, and less like matchmaking.
There is too much "this goes well with that" and there's no evidence to support it. Some things can make some sense, like tomatoes and potatoes are both nightshades and can thus amplify pest concerns (much like planting in a monoculture will do). But stuff like marigolds support tomatoes. That stuff is silly. Marigolds support anything. Thyme supports anything. Dill supports anything.
There may be niche cases where there are actual allopathies, or chemical things going on, but I think it's honestly so blown out of proportion. Just plant densely and let nature sort out the abundance and decide which plants of those you sowed grow best together, because they'll do the best. Just oversow, and let nature sort it out.
We could be more worried about "plant A doens't like Plant B", but what matters most is some soil micronutrient issue in that exact location. There's just a million moving parts here, so it's best to just plant lots of stuff, see what does well, and let that stuff occupy it's niche.
Thanks for keeping it simple and practical. I have started this journey. Let's see how it turns out. Kudos to you to show us all that it can be done.
Your beautiful pond...did you set it up to be able to also swim in? I’ve been looking into some research for creating a wildlife pond we can also swim in as a natural swimming pool...we are in Ontario zone 5A a great addition to a permaculture set up!💜
Absolutely. I'm in it almost every day. Check out my fairly recent deep-dive into the pond design: th-cam.com/video/4MA8w1py8L4/w-d-xo.html