After human review, this video has been demonetized because according to Google, it depicts child abuse. I think it's obvious it doesn't. But what can we mortals do? If you'd like to support me: Patreon, PayPal, yadda yadda, see the description. Thanks for watching.
You made a video of a currently ongoing case about an infant's death and included an eyewitness account of the body. No shit a youtube rep is going to hedge their bets to keep some rando's video demonized
Social media all over the world is being scrutinized. Ridiculous as TH-cam's demonetization efforts seem, it does indeed seem to protect children on the platform. I know because we all sit in areas of TH-cam that are 100% adult that we expect it to cater to us. TH-cam does cater to children, however. It acknowledges as such and does its best to accommodate. If you don't like it, showcase your work on a platform that does not involve children.
"You killed Chloe!" "I know." That's it. They had it figured out immediately. He was incredibly irresponsible with a baby. He has a history of acting irresponsible in ways that he was a danger to others and himself. It's his fault. Going on talk shows and trying to sue will never change that.
It's very clear that in order to maintain as a family in the face of this grief the blame has to be placed elsewhere. Not accurate but, unfortunately understandable because...ugh interpersonal relationships
@@FreyaEinde Perhaps this would be an opportunity for intervention, based on his history of being a danger to himself and others. Intense outpatient counseling or banning from the family. Responsible decisions have to be made to protect those within the family that cannot protect themselves, which requires ccountability instead of rug-sweeping.
@@NeighborhoodOfBlue I wouldn’t even know where to begin with that especially in the parent’s shoes, because for starters the granddad has to want that for himself. I dunno having to support the killer of my kid through therapy or going directly through that confrontation of like family estrangement and putting everybody through that even people who weren’t there. I do not personally seeing myself having the energy or the strength to do that. I sympathize with the grief and it kinda sucks that the parent’s have chosen the crusade of litigation instead of facing their feelings of guilt and grief more directly their still stuck this idiot granddad and this dynamic of excusing him no matter what.
Many families have at least that one member who is an idiot that doesn't take responsibility for themselves and is a bad decision maker. And there are also usually other family members who enable them and make excuses for them - to the point of taking other family members to task for pointing out they are a problem. This family seemed unable or unwilling to recognize that this man was a stupid idiot - and it cost them Chloe's life. Its even more insulting that they are unitedly suing the cruise line, and spinning a false narrative to explain away what he did. If you've ever been in a family with someone like him, and been on the receiving end of abuse from other family members for not tolerating their behavior, you'll recognize this easily and be frustrated by it.
>Anello receives multiple warnings, including fines on multiple occasions, about wearing his seatbelt for safety reasons >Also Anello: "I'm not to blame because the windows need safety warnings on them." Like that ever stopped him before
@jasonvoorhees5640 I mean, I'm calm, and I feel like that insult is losing all meaning if that's all it takes 🤷♀️ but either way, you can get fucked too, I do not care what you think either
@jasonvoorhees5640 if that's karening that word has lost all meaning. And I'm perfectly calm thanks very much, you can get fucked too tho, I do not care what you think either 🤷♀️. For such a bland comment nitpicking it is ridiculous and I think I've expended about as much time as I'm willing to with you people. Have the day you deserve
There was a case I heard last summer, of a grandmother who left her grandchild in a hot car, leading to their death. Deemed an accident, and she wasn't punished. Two or so years later, she did it with her daughter's other child. She wasn't given the same leniency and was arrested. I couldn't imagine being that mother. Your own parent killing your children out of sheer recklessness.
@@weeningproductions945Just looked it up. Tracey Nix. The original child died from drowning in their pool while under her care (she'd fallen asleep and the kid got out). The 2nd was left in her car. Not even years apart - months apart.
I find it funny that the wife of a cop would imply that prosecuting a misdemeanor(one that resulted in the death of a baby) is somehow unproductive and a waste of time; considering her husband has probably ruined multiple lives for way less serious charges
Cops don't decide any of that, though. They ultimately don't decide charges and they don't decide how it will affect the defendant's life, if it will ruin their life. The individuals who do make those decisions definitely rely on certain work done by the cops (can only charge people who are arrested by the cops, after all)...but they can totally let them go. They might not even have a choice if the laws themselves are changed (which also won't & can't be done by the cops). If it were up to the cops, a lot more people would be in prison...considering how many actively dangerous repeat offenders are constantly released, despite all the cops believing it will put their safety at risk and/or believing they'll inevitably need to arrest them again anyways lol. _(I bring this up because there are legitimate problems with police, but many problems cannot be blamed on cops, yet I constantly see misplaced blame online (along with a general misunderstanding of what jobs - and problems - cops are even responsible for)...We can't actually solve problems if we misidentify the source.)_
@@TheMysteryDriver What/who do you think I copied? I highly doubt an identical version of my comment already exists, although something fairly close might exist elsewhere. I actually like reading & writing out comments while I'm watching the video; it's what I enjoy about TH-cam, to the point of finding videos without comment sections boring. Copying and pasting wouldn't be fun, and it wouldn't even fill enough time. I guess...thanks for thinking my comment was good enough (or high effort enough?) that I must have copied it from someone else. 😊✌️
@sorryifoldcomment8596 I'm aware cops do not DECIDE the law; but they sure do LOVE willingly and seriously enforcing it. Well....until one of their own is involved. I'm sure that cop really takes the misdemeanors he tickets very seriously, but I guess the one involving his dead daughter and completely negligent father-in-law isn't serious enough to warrant charges; according his wife at least(and himself because the dipshit just sits there and nods while she says that).
I just watched a 45 minute video where it was clear the idiot who is responsible was the idiot who is responsible in the first three minutes. The interesting part is I still kept watching which is a testament to your storytelling abilities. Good job
I remember so clearly my dad doing something just like this with my baby brother, and my mother screaming at him and slapping him across the face. My mother is an _extremely_ polite, kind, and non-violent woman. It’s rare to even hear her speak assertively, let alone scream, and I’d never seen her slap anybody, ever, and I never saw it again. Ever. The real kicker? She said my dad had done the same thing with me when I was a baby, and that’s why she was so angry. That he’d nearly dropped me and _still_ hadn’t learned his lesson-as long as he was having fun laughing and playing with the baby, it was fine. Calm down. Stop worrying. He was having a good time, so just let him do it. I’ll never understand why people with such a deeply selfish and irresponsible mindset insist on having children. It’s one thing for a grown adult to task risks for fun. Hopefully you don’t have anyone else depending on you to come home. But that ought to stop the second you have a child, and to treat your own child like a plaything in your risk taking games is unacceptable. And just like the father in this story, my dad didn’t think it was any big deal. He was just having fun.
I think that’s irresponsible, but I don’t believe that’s what happened in this case. This man was not just playing around with a baby. He knew the damn window was open.
This is why kids shouldn’t be left with males. Their level of maturity and nurturing is completely different. My friend was thrown up in the air by her dad and uncle and caught the first few times, but she was dropped on her head the final toss. Her mom never left her with her dad or uncle again!!!
The part where he says Chloe wanted to bang on the glass like she did at hockey games doesn't hold water either. Because in the photos of Chloe doing just that, she's standing at floor level. Since the windows on the ship also go all the way to the floor, she could have quite safely banged on the non-opening lower panes all she wanted.
Letting her do that would have been reckless too, that's why the windows are behind the railings. Glass has the bad habit of breaking sometimes. It's 11 freaking floors for God's sake...
She could not bang on the window without assistance over the gap between the floor and the glass. Remember, the gap goes all the way, she could have fallen through it to the lower floor.
@kikiTHEalien which is why you teach your children not to do that, not encourage it by putting them in a different precarious situation to allow it lol
@@kikiTHEalienalso not sure where you got your info from but at 15:46 you can see that you're wrong anyway lol this was the children's play area why would there be a gap between the glass and floor
I am just shocked that an adult would think it reasonable to hold ANY BEING, let alone an infant/toddler over/out of a window... it gives me shivers thinking of my own child. This person lacks any and all sense. Just stunning idiocy.
It's bad enough that he thought this was reasonable. Seeing that his whole family, including Chloe's parents, support his actions is downright bewildering.
Occam's razor: the grandfather has a history of careless/reckless behavior. He set the child on the railing not thinking anything would happen. She slipped from his grip and died. This requires the least amount of postulates and is in line with everything we know about the grandfather and what we see in the footage (ie him approaching an open window that another passenger had just vacated). Bear in mind, if that window hadn't been open, there would be no reason for him to have approached that specific window of all the ones available.
@thecardboardsword The whole point of their statement is that it's obvious and that therefore it is the most likely correct answer to something that people have been debating on.
This is what the business calls "Ambulance Chasing". And it also proves why the State of Florida has laws against it. The laws are there to prevent vexatious litigation, which slows down the speed of Justice, not the other way around.
Fr. So many reckless parents that'd either laugh or get hostile if you told them not to let their kids run onto the street or to not hold them over balconies.
When our daughter was a baby, my husband and I went to visit a zoo here in Australia where African wild dogs (painted dogs) are bred. They are amazing and quite beautiful animals, despite being extremely aggressive hunters and feeders. We watched them feeding from the platform above, and I can remember feeling chills imagining what would happen if a baby fell in (this is the price you pay for having an extremely vivid imagination). We both kept our daughter safe beneath the railings, behind the glass barriers, like all the other parents there. Just like we would assume all parents from the dawn of time would do. Welp...it has actually happened. A parent in the US lifted their 2-year-old up for a closer look, and the worst happened. A legal schemozzle ensued, with the blame game going full swing. The parents had ignored signage and instructions and blamed the park, claiming the warnings were unsatisfactory and that the infrastructure was below par. The park countered that all structures and procedures met required standards, and the parents were negligent. The result was an out-of-court settlement.
@@GeorgRockallSchmidt They struck me as very similar stories, with similar fallouts. Both are not entirely accidents, as both followed deliberate acts by the person holding the child that increased the risk. Both families looked outwards to attribute the blame. It would be so hard to live with yourself or the family member who caused such a tragedy that any outside scapegoat would be necessary (perhaps) for some degree of relief. I am sorry for all involved. Georg, thanks for your insight. I didn't follow this story until I saw you having your 2c. Wanted to avoid trash media.
Thanks, I agree with everything you said. Except the 2c part, I don’t know what that means. Another similar story is “There’s Something Wrong with Aunt Diane.” Horrifying, but worth watching.
I'm from AUstralia too. There's lots of campsites where wild kangaroos have grown used to humans and graze around them, letting people walk right up to them. But they are not pets, not raised by humans, not trained. Kangaroos have a powerful kick, but their sharp claws used for digging can be dangerous too. Easy to tell the locals apart form the tourists. Saw a Russian couple putting their baby right up to the kangaroos for selfies. Children are unpredictable and curious. Who knows how long before a kid decides to squeeze and kangaroo's nose.
@@GeorgRockallSchmidt "You got your two cents worth" meaning "you got your say on the matter". No idea where that saying same from. Probably you poms :)
Who fucking needs a sign saying "don't throw babies out the windows"? I'm trying to be sympathetic to this family, but every second they are on the screen they make me angry at them.
Yeah that’s not normal behaviour. Seems manic to me. Even innocent people don’t do things like that. Interesting insight into what behaviour he deems as normal.
Equal to this, how is placing slide open windows at 150 feet of the ground a sane design feature. Leaving safety aside, the draft created by even a mild sea breeze, let alone the ship being fully underway at 30-50 kph (60-90 km/h) would create such draft it would be unbearable to sit there. I've been in plenty high rise buildings, and none of them had windows which could be fully opened for this very reason. if you need ventilation, well, you have ventilation and AC. Even right now, I live in a high rise building by the sea. The wind draft makes it very uncomfortable to sit outside half of the time, where the balcony is designed with chest high railings. So high off the ground, what is a pleasant breeze at ground level, due to friction with the land, feels nothing like that. While surely, it is highly irresponsible to place a child so close even to a closed window (you haven't check it is secured into place), that does not magically excuse this insanely dumb design on a cruise ship. I can say without any doubt, that half of the time, that play area is unsable without all the windows closed securely. Why even have them to slide open at waist high is mindboggling to me. A dumb adult bending over that window in a windy day could be blow clear off the ship, and unless he was some sort of performance jumper, at 150 feet high, he'd die on impact with the water, let alone concrete. How cruise ships get away with stuff you would never be allowed to build on land is absolutely crazy to me. And why people are so blindsided and focus on the grandparent being an idiot is most likely why these idiotic contraptions are allowed on cruise ships.
@@darthioan, It happen in the adult section. I have looked out the same window and yes even in port it will blow your head off which the grandfather did before lifting her up and out the window. I wanted to take a picture but didn’t because I didn’t want to drop my camera due to the wind.
@@busymom7729 I stand corrected. Thank you. And to be very clear, I find that guy to be a reckless, mindnumbing idiot, along with the poor girl's parents who brought her on a cruise ship at an age where she shouldn't even be traveling, then left her with him. The whole thing looked so preventable if at any point any one of the parents had the realization they have to give a sh*t, that there is no such thing as vacation whith a toddler. It is relocation, because you have to bring in everything and the kitchen sink with you, and watch the kid like a f*ing hawk. (i am a father of a 2 year old boy, and i cannot wait for him to grow a bit older so that me and my wife can get back 5-10% of our lives back).
I understand the impetus for the family to find an external cause for this horrible tragedy, rather than face the meaninglessness of it, or indeed the careless actions of a close relative. I'm reminded of the stories of people leaving their toddler in a hot car. How to live with each other after such a calamity?
Absolutely. It's gut wrenching and I completely understand the need to look for a different source to place your pain. I truly feel so devastated for the grandfather too. He was obviously being careless, but can you imagine the pain he lives with? Life can be so brutal.
@@jens256I was a massive alcoholic and one of the primary reasons I quit drinking was because I was incredibly reckless and knew I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I hurt someone else. You're right that sometimes tragedies really are just meaningless.
The answer, of course, is not at the cost of society. I completely agree with you. It's beyond tragic. But failing to engage with the truth here could very well cost more still. And we all need to have an attitude more towards improving ourselves rather than simply failing to bear the painful consequences of our own decisions. Anyone can make a tragic mistake. That's the first hurdle to overcome. But understanding accidents most often occur when the "holes in the slices of swiss cheese" of circumstances align is second. Third is that some very obvious dangers should stop being routinely overlooked. Layer upon layer of this tragedy is clearly the responsibility of the adult in question. Being in the vicinity of a bar while in supervision of a toddler. Going to a high window. Going to one clearly open and misrepresenting this, or seeking the glass with a child but not testing it himself first. Keeping the child there. The child being wet as well. Choice after choice after choice - his doing, but not his risks to take. In every situation when an adult is responsible for the safety of a child they need to act like it. There are mistakes and excuses he can't live with. That's horrible. But it wasn't he who died as a result - and that's worse.
Actually I am not aware of any building where you can slide open a window rather than ever so slightly crack it open, 150 feet off the ground. I've worked or lived in high rise buildings for 20 years and I haven't seen one. Leaving aside things dropping from that height, even a fine breeze at ground level can be a full blown wind displacing anything that's not nailed inside the room. This does not excuse the grandparent's stupidity (if that was the case), but it is nevertheless an incredibly idiotic safety designed issue to be able to slide open a window at waist level so high off the ground. Even falling into the water would be lethal from such a height, and while the ship would be under way, I do not think it would make for a comfortable experience without all those panels closed. In most circumstances, you wouldn't be able to keep a glass on the table without being tipped over by the strong draft created through those wide openings.
@@Scipio_Americanus calm down, keyboard warrior. Next time you want to start arguments on the internet, make sure you understand what you are reading. Nothing I said is arguing the fact that the grandfather was a reckless moron. Grow up.
@@darthioan its not a building, it's a ship. As a ship, it requires (and even has them aknowledge their understanding by signing a waiver) that the people who come aboard are aware of the inherent safety issues. TO be so blasted drunk that you forget you are on a ship 150 feet above the water and lift a baby ABOVE A RAILING is no longer the ships fault.
The mum, attorney, Indiana police, etc "we want justice!" PR police charges grandpa with negligent homicide. Family's attorney: "Everyone knows this was an accident."
@@Watch-0w1 Well he sure as shit didn't catch her. Who the hell gets plastered and dangles a toddler out of a window 11 storeys up? I think he ought to have been charged with negligent homicide. He would have been had he been driving in that state & the child died. But people like you want to give him a pass on criminal responsibility because he wasn't in a car?
Yeah, I don't think anyone will dispute that what he did was reckless and definitely the cause of the child's death, but saying he *THREW* her out the window is not even remotely right. He didn't do that. @@serendpity3478
The step-father is a fool, plenty of dudes like that out there. They do silly shit, cause damage or loss then regrets it later.. Never take risk with kids when it comes to windows or take any risk with them period.
If I had a child and a terrace or balcony, I would secure that terrace or balcony in a way that make it literally impossibly for that child to fall off it even if someone let her sit on their shoulders right next to the railing. And there would still be a rule about keeping one's feet on the floor at all times when on a balcony, terrace or anything like it. It's an easy rule for a child to follow and the worst things that could happen (provided the child follows that rule) is that a.) The child hesitates sitting on a chair on a terrace because when sitting on it, her feet can't be on the floor due to her height. b.) Some people will be confused about why she insist on always keeping her feet on the floor while on balcony and give her shit for it. (Which really shouldn't happen since that rule wouldn't be in place nowhere near until she's old enough for anybody to give her shit for it.)
Oh god yes. My step sister was raised on a 13th floor apartment. Once she hit toddler/climbing stage, the rule was no open windows in the room she was in. It was constantly in the back of our minds.
Just now, I was so entranced by George's storytelling I burned my dinner. I thought I turned the burner under the pan off to allow it to cool, but I had only turned it down. I didn't notice until it was too late because I allowed myself to be distracted. This would be like me accusing George of burning my dinner, when it was my carelessness that burned my meal. I feel bad that my dinner is ruined, but I'm the one at fault. Fortunately, fried rice is not a toddler.
Very good points. Just one point of contention... Fried rice may not be a toddler, but I'm sure I could never love a human being as much as I love fried rice, soooooooooooooo... 😂🤣😂😭😭😭
@jasonvoorhees5640every one of your comments on every thread I read are bad takes. You should look into a diagnostic test to understand why you can’t comprehend written language
We have the DNA of people who shat their pants at the sight of a sabretooth tiger near them. Not the DNA of people who said "Why panic about a darn kittie?"
I personally have done insane things at heights but always been careful to be as safe as possible while not denying the risk. That latter part is everything. This is just someone who cannot admit responsibility for his own actions, but they weren't his risks to take anyway. I think he should have already been prosecuted for reckless endangerment and manslaughter. It might sound harsh but this is the fairest outcome in the eyes of the law. He acted without concern for safety. Seemingly routinely. Clearly the law alone wasn't sufficient to break the pattern of reckless behaviour. But the law as a deterrent is for all, not just him. Personally I think he should be held accountable for what he did - and seen to be held accountable.
@@tttm99 "but they weren't his risks to take anyway" This is so important. I've repeatedly seen a "no risk, no fun" attitude at play when both the fun and the risk were that of another person, most of the time a child. A child who was either asked about whether they wanted to have the fun (and not told about the risk) or just not asked at all but just being put into positions where "they'd definitely have fun".
@@camelopardalis84 Amen. Adults are meant to know the risks and inform the children. Not to suffocate them but to help them learn to be cautious. Interestingly, most children intuitively seem to know their limitations far better than adults around them and *don't* often seek to put themselves in severe danger where they understand it. But for the very young there's just too little defence. when a complex artificial environment is involved, an experienced adult, and a mere toddler who intuitively *wouldn't* seek that environment or situation, much less understand it, everything here rests on the responsibility of the adult. I think we suffer more in these last 50 years - non coincidentally the rough age of this man involved - with a terrifying deficit of willingness to predict and later accept the likely consequences of our actions. I have hopes young people today are starting to correct this. People endlessly talk about their freedoms - which I will defend with a passion. But so few talk as openly about their responsibilities. This isn't a niche situation here with "arguments on both sides". This is responsibility versus denial and blame. We each have a responsibility not to needlessly and recklessly endanger the lives of others - and this has to be one of the clearest cut cases I can imagine. It's awful. It's horrible. It's beyond tragic. But in now way does anything improve here when we indulge the idea that one can simply bury their head in the sand.
Jeez, your description of how he held her up to the window gave me serious chills, there's no way I'd place my kid in that situation. Theres no way he didnt know the window was open, Why'd he pick that window out of dozens? Becuase thats the one thats open...
Excellent summary. I particularly appreciate that while you're as thorough here as you are when detailing the exploits of corporations where negligence and greed go hand in hand, you couch this one in the psychological context of how individuals can react when overwhelming grief can lead to a denial of reality. Very well made.
@@liamjones9115not sure - maybe Patreon uses YT platform? Not even sure Georg has a pateon. I really shouldn't be offering my opinion on this as I just realized I have absolutely nothing to add. Okay bye.
Just looking at her in those pictures at the splash pad and the hockey game... just a little kid, man... how do you put a little, dependent innocent kid like that in a dangerous ass situation like that in a playful way? What kind of person does that make you, in general? This story got me, dang.
In my experience, it's people who either already work with children or are planning on working with children and are able to follow through on it. I am not kidding.
@@MemoryVague I used to work with children with mental disabilities as a volunteer. For a while, I was the leader of a group of ca. six people (including myself with the exact number depending on when exactly it was), doing that volunteer work with people who were planning on working with children professionally and went on to do so after I'd stopped volunteering with them. They saw every instance of me not being okay with something like a twelve-year-old mentally disabled child who's known for "not being able to recognise dangers" (this was written on an instruction sheet about her issues and diagnoses etc.) walking alone, about 25 to 50 metres (82 to 164 feet) behind us on a street as a sign of me being unnecessarily cautious. "Come on, nothing's going to happen *here* ! There are no cars around!" Drivers (at least where I live) tend to be *less* cautious on streets with no traffic around. Especially if normally, there are no pedestrians on the street in question. A street with no pavement that is exclusively for pedestrians, separating them from the drivers. Just every type participant in traffic - pedestrian, driver, bicycle rider, whatever - is just moving from A to B behind each other and not next to each other. The person who'd been the leader before me before he quit volunteering there was a kindergarten teacher. Whenever we were going on trips with him, it was clear that the group was walking together, with an adult in front and an adult at the back. Just a normal safety measure that was taken even in places where there literally could not be any car drivers or even bicyclists. That's just one of many, many, many examples. The other volunteers' unwillingness to follow basic safety rules (in a country where US level views on safety are seen as being massively overexaggerated and even more so back then, twenty plus years ago than today!) was presented as "simply being reasonable and not being much too afraid of all kinds of things happening at any moment". No-one ever said it, but I am sure those people accused me of having an anxiety disorder. And had the term "helicopter parent" been around already, I would have been called a "helicopter leader" or something like it.
My assumption is that it didn't even come into his mind as a possible danger. He routinely didn't wear a seatbelt or follow traffic laws. This is the kind of behaviour that he was doing with his own life, and the lack of any consequence beyond the odd traffic ticket was unconsciously feeding into a bias within him that safety precautions weren't for him. That nothing bad would happen to him. He didn't think it was a danger. He thought it would be fun for her. And I don't think he even consciously knew he had this bias that nothing bad would happen to him. I don't think he consciously cognised that seatbelts, speed limits, railings, were all there to protect and prevent things like this. He wanted it spelled out in front of him in big bold letters because he didn't even process a safety railing as a warning. Just a vague nuisance in his way to the window. It's sad that he had to learn his lesson via a child's death.
I think your interpenetration of the family's motives is quite generous. I think the whole thing was about the money. Their lawyer is one of the scummiest people I have ever seen. You don't hire someone like that if you want justice, you hire someone like that because you want to get paid.
granddad was incredibly stupid, or negligent in legal speak,that child was safe until he put her on the ledge, he is solely responsible for her death, and no one else
Your analysis of the psychology of the parents absolutely nailed it. I had to watch my own mother destroy her life and the lives of many of the people around her simply because she could not accept the responsibilities of her own negligence. It's incredible the mental gymnastics people will perform when the alternative is just too traumatic to confront.
@@JohnSmith-mc2zz Me too, I think you may have trouble identifying fascists though. Have you ever read the talmud? That’s probably the most egregious example of fascist literature there is.
In almost any other circumstance you probably be right, but in this one I think it is the mother/prosecutor who is far more the impetus behind this than the cop.
They dropped a child off the 11th floor. It's their responsibility to look after their child whether they're on the ground floor or the 100th. Everything they say about the ships responsibility is true of themselves as parents.
He literally put the kid over the SAFETY RAILING, thats like being surprised when you dropp your kid i the gorilla enclosure for holding them over the safety fence.
@jasonvoorhees5640 imagine hanging your kid over the saftey railing and then blameing the company for it, man some of you people will excuse bad people as long as you get to blame the " evil corp".
I remember this story very clearly in the immediate aftermath, but I honestly forgot about all the stuff in the years after. It's one of the most horrific things a family could possibly go through, that was completely preventable. The question I would ask Sal Anello is, would you have held that little girl off the side of a tall building or at the edge of a canyon or off an overpass? Like what about doing it on a cruise ship made it seem reasonable or safe? It was so goddamn stupid, and it was a horrible fucking shame for that child. I understand wanting to pass some responsibility off to the cruise line, but obviously, no one had been dumb enough to do something like that until Anello did it. You can't plan for every outcome, because some people are way dumber than you could ever imagine.
Ye, but it's just some other idiot doing it, it happened like 5 years ago, what's there to "cope" with? There was nothing gruesome or violent in the story either (aside from the description of the fall and what the doctor saw), mostly just the family trying to win the lawsuit through a sob story that's clearly fabricated to save the grandpa and their own dignity.
@@TheUltimateBlooper Imagine being so daft you have to write some apologetic nonsense for one of these junk grade cruise ship corporations, and having opinions concerning things you have no f***ing idea because you are not a parent. Regardless of the idiot grandfather, draft alone makes it an insanely bad idea to have windows which can slide open nice and wide, 150 feet off the ground, at f***ing sea. You clearly have never been anywhere close to the sea, a minimum 10 floor high to figure out that no building has windows which can open wide at that height (150 feet/50 meters off the ground - about 20 floors heigh for a high rise building), and there would be no point to it, draft alone is uncofortable on a calm day, borderline dangerous on a windy day. I bet half the time, that area is completely unusable without all the windows securely closed.
I have nightmares where i do something as stupid and horrible and avoidable as what this guy (probably) did. I'll be freaking out in the dream "omg why did i do that wtf?!" And then I'll wake up and be so relieved that it's just a dream and I didn't just cause the death of some loved one. I think it is my brain telling itself cautionary tales, in a way. This man can't wake up from the nightmare he is living and in spite of everything i have some empathy for that. I'm not too sure i could live with myself if I were him. I would at least have to become a hermit and live in a mountain cave i think.
I have those kinds of dreams sometimes. Like I’ll go to some unfamiliar city and park in some random place and then lose my car or leave my dog in public unattended and just think he’s gonna be there when I get back. It’s definitely a manifestation of anxiety and it sucks. It’s always a relief to wake up and realize you didn’t actually do whatever absurd thing, though.
Poor girl. All those moments never realised, all the experiences and the person she eventually could have become, scattered to the wind like chaff. And then her name is forever entwined with a painful story of confused blame and straw-grasping. No-one will even remember her because of the circumstances that surround her death. Rest in peace, child.
I spent two weeks on the vessel not long after. The company were clearly spooked by the fallout as they had members of staff deployed everywhere standing constant vigil. Many were stood in the blazing sun for hours without rest and some collapsed because of heat exhaustion/sun stroke.
@@JohnSmith-mc2zz The company's liability is their livelihood. You'd better believe they were concerned. Companies such as Royal Caribbean leave them with no doubt. It's a dirty business. But that's the business.
People of wealth and privilege who have made their careers and status out of finding fault in others, facing the consequences of their own careless behavior: Not that it's not still sad. But at some point, it stops being about Chloe, and has become about assuaging their own guilt and the media circus they have created. It lacks any emotional intelligence.
Idk man im not halfway through yet but as a nanny and daycare worker it's pretty downright inexcusable to be putting any age child around windows/ledges 11 stories high. I mean the letting her press on it, hang over it, propping her feet on it etc. like we can look out it but if im watchin a kid, we're not pressing on any windows 11 stories high or standing on any railings to look out windows on my watch nosir
He’s straight up lying. Imagine if we didn’t have that footage of him clearly leaning over the railing and sticking his head out and then letting her stand on the railing. We’d have nothing to counteract his bs narrative. It’s so chilling that even though it’s just grainy silent security footage as soon as it happens it’s just total chaos and people running to see what happened. I can’t imagine the trauma of having to witness something so terrible. Still, even if he hadn’t leaned over there’s no way he’s not gonna feel a breeze out on the ocean high up with no obstructions to block the wind. I personally think he was drunk and just being a careless idiot. I remember one time I was parallel parking my car and this lady started unloading her car in front of me and she just puts her tiny kid down in front of my car when I’m not even done parking yet. Some people are just idiots who expect a safety net or air cushion to pop out of nowhere and save them from their bad decisions. It’s truly frightening how many of these types exist.
What a silly argument by thenlyawyer. Yeah, passengers can open windows on a cruise ship... The adult passengers can open them. The kids can't reach. The kids aren't putting themselves through the window.
Based on his record he's actually a pretty good lawyer, for my purely functional standpoint, which is obviously why they hired him. maybe he didn't win this case, doesn't change the fact that he's usually pretty successful.
Couldn’t agree more with your conclusion… as much as I loathe to defend the ‘evil’ corporation, acting as if big stickers or neon warning signs would’ve prevented this tragedy is just a way to cope with the grief and forgive the grandfathers momentary lapse in judgement. I can’t imagine how painful their loss is and I hope they are able to find some peace in the future.
@@timothyabbott8537 They barely make a living wage and I'm sure figuring in the horribly unsafe working conditions and the toxic substances they come into contact with, I'm sure what relatively extra they get is worth it, right?
I am that weirdo that even if the window was closed I would never let a child get near it bc I don't know how strong it is, glass can break, I woud never trust it.
Im sure it was an accident, but I truly hope that guy doesn't ever get to get over this. How can a grown, mentally competant adult not be able to tell whether a window is closed or not? That's insanely idiotic on such an extreme level that it makes me skeptical of the whole thing
WRT to whether or not he attended the safety briefing: I was on that ship about 5 months earlier. It doesn't set sail until everyone is accounted for on the relevant deck, by the allocated lifeboat, to receive said safety briefing. Somehow I doubt they changed their procedures in the time in between.
I want to point out and emphasize the seamanship required to bring a vessel into the breaking ground so efficiently and successfully is astounding. ( 2:13 ) ( 7:21 )
@@insertnamehere917 , I'm certain that vessel was grounded at a breaking yard. To overcome the natural tendency of a seaman to avoid grounding and pilot a vessel in such tight quarters without apparent tugs is amazing. But I guess if that's your business it's probably boring. 😄
I cannot believe the appeal went through. I also cannot believe this family won't just accept the truth and stop fighting a ship when they knew immediately who killed their kid. It's been long enough. Just stop.
I think you're right. I can only imagine the horror and the grief this family endures, but while I hate to side with Royal Caribbean; I don't think they're to blame for this. I understand the Wiegand's unwillingness to internalize the blame within their own family, but it is what it is. Americans, in general, do not care for mysterious or unsatisfying conclusions. Someone must be to blame, and/or a lawsuit must follow. I wish the family peace, and hope for healing. I don't really care what happens to Royal Caribbean.
My stepdad would’ve killed himself if he ever did something like that…. He would not have kept living if he knew he took my daughter’s life. This is so sad and beyond tragic.
Your last point was exactly what I was thinking the whole video. People do reckless things all the time, every day and don’t die. Sometimes inevitably someone will die. Maybe there should be additional safety measures in place for windows that high up. With kids running around especially.
lol why? This is one of the least gruesome things I've heard/seen. Daily crime news with street violence are far more stomach churning than this. Are you sheltered?
A couple points I’m a little surprised you didn’t bring up in this video are the fact that Anello isn’t her biological grandfather, in fact he wasn’t even married to Chloe’s grandmother at the time, he was simply her boyfriend. Later on during all the legal issues they got married, presumably at least in part so that she wouldn’t be made to testify against him. I’m not saying he didn’t care about her but the fact that he has been portrayed in the media as grandfather when there’s no biological relation and he wasn’t a grandfather from a legal perspective at the time either I think is at least somewhat noteworthy.
I'm suprised Kimberly's mother didn't immediately break up with Anello and sever all contact with him. How the family managed to convince themselves that he was worth keeping in their lives, after his unforgivable stupidity and negligence, is beyond belief. If they had accepted it was 100% his fault they might have found some resolution, instead of instigating a media circus with endless, futile lawsuits.
I think this is actually so so so pivotal, like it's well-known that bringing male partners into a family with children can be extremely dangerous and they really shouldn't be trusted. He was not her grandfather, but the family chose that narrative to try and get sympathy, shame on him and the family. It is pure privilege that the media accepted their lies and gave him a sympathetic portrayal and it's sickening, what a disgusting case and family.
My father and I both have ADHD and are very accident prone. He has me when he was about this man's age. I can't even watch this, my god this is so sad.
I wonder if Annello'a blood alcohol was ever tested withun a few goues of the incident. I bet the result would have been telling. It was a bar after all.
The footage which shows Anello at Deck 11 does not show him drinking anything and even then, this is an irrelevancy. Whether drunk or sober, he was proven beyond all doubt that he was not a responsible man. In fact, Anello himself ADMITTED HIS OWN GUILT FROM THE START, the only reason why he said what he said to the media was primarily because he was never interviewed by the mainstream media in the Mainland United States before in his life. And of course, the media sided with the Wiegand family purely for monetary reasons, because a "small town family faces off a massive, multinational corporation that operates in an industry that is historically corrupt and negligent" is a nice narrative to ride with, especially since this was taking before the Hong Kong riots in August 2019 and the reports in Wuhan in November 2019, the World Cup ended a year before Chloe's death, meaning that it was a very slow month for the news.
Without even engaging in any discussion on the responsibilities of the cruise ship, we can sadly realize this: No amount of safety, no amount of warning, no amount of law, no amount of destroying society for the irresponsible few will prevent the irresponsible being injured or injuring others. I can certainly understand someone guilty of doing something so reckless simply not being able to come to terms with their actions. But society shouldn't bow every time to such people... should deliberate soberly on the question of reasonable safety. Maybe the window shouldn't be opened or openable. Many don't in much lower structures, by law... But that can cause other safety issues regarding ventilation and fire. But this had to be a choice. A poor choice. Not accepting this might be for self preservation of the individual involved. That doesn't mean society should likewise live in denial.
I’m only 24:31 in, but this is driving me crazy. It’s a railing. What purposes to railings serve? As boundaries. Whether it’s a balcony or a queue line, everyone knows not to cross a railing.
You dont need a warning sign to tell you not to dangle a baby out of an 11th story window...prat! Grandad killed baby, then tried to shift the blame onto the cruise ship. Parents desperate to find blame and not wanting to blame their relative, jumped onto to his accusation of the cruise ship and ran with it
I have worked with, around and for people who've claimed that I am "overly concerned something bad could happen". Often, this was the case when I was working around children, and being responsible for them. I have been forced to be around such people for two decades by now. To make a long story very short: This has led to me seeing things like a little boy, maybe two years old, run away from his grandmother, directly towards a street and instantly thinking "No, danger! I need to step in and warn the grandmother!" followed *INSTANTLY* by a "No, you're not allowed to". That second kind of thought I never had naturally. I know it is a bad thought to have. It's far from a case of me thinking "No, if I step in now, I will be accused of being overly anxious for no good reason, therefore I just don't do anything." It's an involuntary second reaction. The first reaction is reasonable and good. The second one has been drilled into me. To say that I hate that this was done to me would be a massive understatement. If anyone's interested in hearing it, there's a second part to this.
@pardalis84thats pretty obvious one. Maybe more female thing but some men like to play around kids too, so it is beneficial to be a bit too cautious than reckless, especially with very young kids. Other case is eg construction yard where deadly dangers are around but people may downplay dangers as group. Rule of thumb about kids I heard, yes it is annoying for others that mom is like that, but it is worth pain,effort that in one case of 100 it saves kid(99 false alarms). Afterall kids take 20years and more to grow and any tiny accident could be lethal. I noticed myself and others forget danger exists if there is never false alarms(close calls in some case), so that also is good reminder to keep sharp. Second insidious part is, if everyone downplay that trait, it makes anxiousness even bigger. It may have some real reason behind it, thus keeping it repeating. (for minimum other people not trusting you adds to stresslevel, which alone raises anxiousness as normal thing... it is good for someone not being anxious but too much that stress may push person "over border" to some serious illness)
I was thinking the same thing. I could never imagine even imagining doing what he did without thinking of her falling and wanting to puke. Considering his constant recklessness, I wonder if he's got a smaller frontal lobe than most or something.
This is why we can’t have or do cool things anymore. Some idiot always ruins it for everyone. It’s a tough situation. Does a business have to make it impossible for anyone to hurt them selves in every possible scenario, or does common sense apply at some point and the individual is held responsible? If it really was a “child’s play area” things should be child proof but idiot proof too?
We are not owed or deserving of "nice things" or "cool things" and the same is true of the inverse. Responsibility is relative for a reason because we are NOT a hivemind. People do a lot of retarded shit all the time, I've done it, you've done it. And most of the time, we get away with it scott-free. As is the way of LIFE, sometimes, we DON'T get away with it and die or get severely or minorly injured as a result of our actions.
Boy do i agree with your proposed Why it Happened -- wanting to blame a faceless corporation instead of (as they would see it) tearing their family apart.
I cannot believe that Georg is "re-victimising" this family, by re-noticing the fact that the re-baby's re-grandfather killed her and then the rest of the re-family tried to get a massive re-payday out of it.
After human review, this video has been demonetized because according to Google, it depicts child abuse. I think it's obvious it doesn't. But what can we mortals do? If you'd like to support me: Patreon, PayPal, yadda yadda, see the description. Thanks for watching.
I guess you have footage of the guy dropping the kid, so it's technically real footage of real abuse.
You made a video of a currently ongoing case about an infant's death and included an eyewitness account of the body. No shit a youtube rep is going to hedge their bets to keep some rando's video demonized
Social media all over the world is being scrutinized. Ridiculous as TH-cam's demonetization efforts seem, it does indeed seem to protect children on the platform. I know because we all sit in areas of TH-cam that are 100% adult that we expect it to cater to us. TH-cam does cater to children, however. It acknowledges as such and does its best to accommodate. If you don't like it, showcase your work on a platform that does not involve children.
Well, that sucks.
I think this is the very question posited by the video itself. Was Arnello negligent in her death? TH-cam votes YES
As someone born there, "South Bend police did something stupid" is shocking only because it involves them actually doing _something._
Yeah, we have it pretty bad. The city cannot even take people's garbage away properly anymore.
It’s not called Shittyana for nothing
And, Mayor Pete gets a top position in our government after failing all but the wealthy in his city.
Living in America...
"You killed Chloe!"
"I know."
That's it. They had it figured out immediately. He was incredibly irresponsible with a baby. He has a history of acting irresponsible in ways that he was a danger to others and himself. It's his fault. Going on talk shows and trying to sue will never change that.
It's very clear that in order to maintain as a family in the face of this grief the blame has to be placed elsewhere. Not accurate but, unfortunately understandable because...ugh interpersonal relationships
@@FreyaEindeyep exactly
@@FreyaEinde Perhaps this would be an opportunity for intervention, based on his history of being a danger to himself and others. Intense outpatient counseling or banning from the family. Responsible decisions have to be made to protect those within the family that cannot protect themselves, which requires ccountability instead of rug-sweeping.
@@NeighborhoodOfBlue I wouldn’t even know where to begin with that especially in the parent’s shoes, because for starters the granddad has to want that for himself. I dunno having to support the killer of my kid through therapy or going directly through that confrontation of like family estrangement and putting everybody through that even people who weren’t there. I do not personally seeing myself having the energy or the strength to do that. I sympathize with the grief and it kinda sucks that the parent’s have chosen the crusade of litigation instead of facing their feelings of guilt and grief more directly their still stuck this idiot granddad and this dynamic of excusing him no matter what.
Many families have at least that one member who is an idiot that doesn't take responsibility for themselves and is a bad decision maker. And there are also usually other family members who enable them and make excuses for them - to the point of taking other family members to task for pointing out they are a problem. This family seemed unable or unwilling to recognize that this man was a stupid idiot - and it cost them Chloe's life. Its even more insulting that they are unitedly suing the cruise line, and spinning a false narrative to explain away what he did. If you've ever been in a family with someone like him, and been on the receiving end of abuse from other family members for not tolerating their behavior, you'll recognize this easily and be frustrated by it.
>Anello receives multiple warnings, including fines on multiple occasions, about wearing his seatbelt for safety reasons
>Also Anello: "I'm not to blame because the windows need safety warnings on them."
Like that ever stopped him before
Great point. He would have been the first to ignore those warnings because they shouldn't apply to him.
I think its easier to blame the company than accept the reality that their own family is responsible
You repeated what was mentioned in the video.
@@zydian_ ok comment police, I'm deeply sorry to not waiting till the very end of the video to comment, I do hope I didn't offend you too much 🖕🏼
@jasonvoorhees5640 I mean, I'm calm, and I feel like that insult is losing all meaning if that's all it takes 🤷♀️ but either way, you can get fucked too, I do not care what you think either
@jasonvoorhees5640 if that's karening that word has lost all meaning. And I'm perfectly calm thanks very much, you can get fucked too tho, I do not care what you think either 🤷♀️. For such a bland comment nitpicking it is ridiculous and I think I've expended about as much time as I'm willing to with you people. Have the day you deserve
probably wanted to go for the money once they knew they could
There was a case I heard last summer, of a grandmother who left her grandchild in a hot car, leading to their death. Deemed an accident, and she wasn't punished. Two or so years later, she did it with her daughter's other child. She wasn't given the same leniency and was arrested. I couldn't imagine being that mother. Your own parent killing your children out of sheer recklessness.
I'm sure I heard of the first one but she did it a second time? That is absolutely insane.
@@weeningproductions945Just looked it up. Tracey Nix. The original child died from drowning in their pool while under her care (she'd fallen asleep and the kid got out). The 2nd was left in her car. Not even years apart - months apart.
@@StarxLolita
@@StarxLolita That is wack!
@jasonvoorhees5640bitch what LMAO
I find it funny that the wife of a cop would imply that prosecuting a misdemeanor(one that resulted in the death of a baby) is somehow unproductive and a waste of time; considering her husband has probably ruined multiple lives for way less serious charges
Well said.
Cops don't decide any of that, though.
They ultimately don't decide charges and they don't decide how it will affect the defendant's life, if it will ruin their life.
The individuals who do make those decisions definitely rely on certain work done by the cops (can only charge people who are arrested by the cops, after all)...but they can totally let them go. They might not even have a choice if the laws themselves are changed (which also won't & can't be done by the cops).
If it were up to the cops, a lot more people would be in prison...considering how many actively dangerous repeat offenders are constantly released, despite all the cops believing it will put their safety at risk and/or believing they'll inevitably need to arrest them again anyways lol.
_(I bring this up because there are legitimate problems with police, but many problems cannot be blamed on cops, yet I constantly see misplaced blame online (along with a general misunderstanding of what jobs - and problems - cops are even responsible for)...We can't actually solve problems if we misidentify the source.)_
@@sorryifoldcomment8596what a waste of a copy paste
@@TheMysteryDriver What/who do you think I copied?
I highly doubt an identical version of my comment already exists, although something fairly close might exist elsewhere.
I actually like reading & writing out comments while I'm watching the video; it's what I enjoy about TH-cam, to the point of finding videos without comment sections boring. Copying and pasting wouldn't be fun, and it wouldn't even fill enough time.
I guess...thanks for thinking my comment was good enough (or high effort enough?) that I must have copied it from someone else. 😊✌️
@sorryifoldcomment8596
I'm aware cops do not DECIDE the law; but they sure do LOVE willingly and seriously enforcing it. Well....until one of their own is involved.
I'm sure that cop really takes the misdemeanors he tickets very seriously, but I guess the one involving his dead daughter and completely negligent father-in-law isn't serious enough to warrant charges; according his wife at least(and himself because the dipshit just sits there and nods while she says that).
I just watched a 45 minute video where it was clear the idiot who is responsible was the idiot who is responsible in the first three minutes. The interesting part is I still kept watching which is a testament to your storytelling abilities. Good job
Great job missing the entire point of the video!
You sure about that champ? @@gtfafm1036
@@gtfafm1036 what was the point?
@1036 They didn't miss the point. They agreed with it and credited Georg with a good video. You misread or something.
@@TroubleToby3040 You seem to have missed the point as well. The point isn't to prove which "idiot is responsible".
I remember so clearly my dad doing something just like this with my baby brother, and my mother screaming at him and slapping him across the face. My mother is an _extremely_ polite, kind, and non-violent woman. It’s rare to even hear her speak assertively, let alone scream, and I’d never seen her slap anybody, ever, and I never saw it again. Ever.
The real kicker? She said my dad had done the same thing with me when I was a baby, and that’s why she was so angry. That he’d nearly dropped me and _still_ hadn’t learned his lesson-as long as he was having fun laughing and playing with the baby, it was fine. Calm down. Stop worrying. He was having a good time, so just let him do it.
I’ll never understand why people with such a deeply selfish and irresponsible mindset insist on having children. It’s one thing for a grown adult to task risks for fun. Hopefully you don’t have anyone else depending on you to come home. But that ought to stop the second you have a child, and to treat your own child like a plaything in your risk taking games is unacceptable.
And just like the father in this story, my dad didn’t think it was any big deal. He was just having fun.
Good on your mother, so sorry you and your brother were needlessly endangered like that.
I think that’s irresponsible, but I don’t believe that’s what happened in this case. This man was not just playing around with a baby. He knew the damn window was open.
The stupidity of men is astounding. So glad I'm a woman with common sense
This is why kids shouldn’t be left with males. Their level of maturity and nurturing is completely different. My friend was thrown up in the air by her dad and uncle and caught the first few times, but she was dropped on her head the final toss. Her mom never left her with her dad or uncle again!!!
@@paige4128this is so, so common. Men throwing babies and toddlers into fans, ceilings, not catching them, and the baby getting brain damage or worse.
The part where he says Chloe wanted to bang on the glass like she did at hockey games doesn't hold water either. Because in the photos of Chloe doing just that, she's standing at floor level. Since the windows on the ship also go all the way to the floor, she could have quite safely banged on the non-opening lower panes all she wanted.
Letting her do that would have been reckless too, that's why the windows are behind the railings. Glass has the bad habit of breaking sometimes. It's 11 freaking floors for God's sake...
@@jotade2098 Exactly, in no circumstances is banging on glass a good idea.
She could not bang on the window without assistance over the gap between the floor and the glass. Remember, the gap goes all the way, she could have fallen through it to the lower floor.
@kikiTHEalien which is why you teach your children not to do that, not encourage it by putting them in a different precarious situation to allow it lol
@@kikiTHEalienalso not sure where you got your info from but at 15:46 you can see that you're wrong anyway lol this was the children's play area why would there be a gap between the glass and floor
I am just shocked that an adult would think it reasonable to hold ANY BEING, let alone an infant/toddler over/out of a window... it gives me shivers thinking of my own child. This person lacks any and all sense. Just stunning idiocy.
I get scared holding my phone out a window, let a lone a child
It's bad enough that he thought this was reasonable. Seeing that his whole family, including Chloe's parents, support his actions is downright bewildering.
I actually remember an uncle asking me if I wanted to go swimming before holding me over the edge of a boat... Not so funny in hindsight
Occam's razor: the grandfather has a history of careless/reckless behavior. He set the child on the railing not thinking anything would happen. She slipped from his grip and died.
This requires the least amount of postulates and is in line with everything we know about the grandfather and what we see in the footage (ie him approaching an open window that another passenger had just vacated). Bear in mind, if that window hadn't been open, there would be no reason for him to have approached that specific window of all the ones available.
Thanks captain obvious
@thecardboardsword The whole point of their statement is that it's obvious and that therefore it is the most likely correct answer to something that people have been debating on.
@@NecromancyForKids shhh, he's too busy being snarky on the internet to worry about that.
@@derek96720Pitty him. It's always a projection of what's done to them.
An abused dog barks at everyone, even the vet trying to save it.
This is what the business calls "Ambulance Chasing". And it also proves why the State of Florida has laws against it. The laws are there to prevent vexatious litigation, which slows down the speed of Justice, not the other way around.
Dont put kids out on railings on highted structures
Really? 😂
@@reginaldd.paperstacks194 I mean given this story, it seems some are thick enough to be reminded.
Fr. So many reckless parents that'd either laugh or get hostile if you told them not to let their kids run onto the street or to not hold them over balconies.
*high, highted isn't a word
@@FreddyMacT you think they are watching _this_ channel?
My father is the kind of reckless (frequently drunk) asshole who did things like this when I was an infant. I feel for the kid.
When our daughter was a baby, my husband and I went to visit a zoo here in Australia where African wild dogs (painted dogs) are bred. They are amazing and quite beautiful animals, despite being extremely aggressive hunters and feeders. We watched them feeding from the platform above, and I can remember feeling chills imagining what would happen if a baby fell in (this is the price you pay for having an extremely vivid imagination). We both kept our daughter safe beneath the railings, behind the glass barriers, like all the other parents there. Just like we would assume all parents from the dawn of time would do. Welp...it has actually happened. A parent in the US lifted their 2-year-old up for a closer look, and the worst happened.
A legal schemozzle ensued, with the blame game going full swing. The parents had ignored signage and instructions and blamed the park, claiming the warnings were unsatisfactory and that the infrastructure was below par. The park countered that all structures and procedures met required standards, and the parents were negligent. The result was an out-of-court settlement.
Yes, at the Pittsburgh zoo. I came across the story while researching this one. Horrific.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Maddox_Derkosh
@@GeorgRockallSchmidt They struck me as very similar stories, with similar fallouts. Both are not entirely accidents, as both followed deliberate acts by the person holding the child that increased the risk. Both families looked outwards to attribute the blame. It would be so hard to live with yourself or the family member who caused such a tragedy that any outside scapegoat would be necessary (perhaps) for some degree of relief. I am sorry for all involved.
Georg, thanks for your insight. I didn't follow this story until I saw you having your 2c. Wanted to avoid trash media.
Thanks, I agree with everything you said. Except the 2c part, I don’t know what that means.
Another similar story is “There’s Something Wrong with Aunt Diane.” Horrifying, but worth watching.
I'm from AUstralia too. There's lots of campsites where wild kangaroos have grown used to humans and graze around them, letting people walk right up to them. But they are not pets, not raised by humans, not trained. Kangaroos have a powerful kick, but their sharp claws used for digging can be dangerous too. Easy to tell the locals apart form the tourists. Saw a Russian couple putting their baby right up to the kangaroos for selfies. Children are unpredictable and curious. Who knows how long before a kid decides to squeeze and kangaroo's nose.
@@GeorgRockallSchmidt "You got your two cents worth" meaning "you got your say on the matter". No idea where that saying same from. Probably you poms :)
Who fucking needs a sign saying "don't throw babies out the windows"? I'm trying to be sympathetic to this family, but every second they are on the screen they make me angry at them.
Yeah that’s not normal behaviour. Seems manic to me. Even innocent people don’t do things like that. Interesting insight into what behaviour he deems as normal.
Behind every dumb sign is a dumbass who is the reason why it exists.
Equal to this, how is placing slide open windows at 150 feet of the ground a sane design feature. Leaving safety aside, the draft created by even a mild sea breeze, let alone the ship being fully underway at 30-50 kph (60-90 km/h) would create such draft it would be unbearable to sit there.
I've been in plenty high rise buildings, and none of them had windows which could be fully opened for this very reason. if you need ventilation, well, you have ventilation and AC. Even right now, I live in a high rise building by the sea. The wind draft makes it very uncomfortable to sit outside half of the time, where the balcony is designed with chest high railings. So high off the ground, what is a pleasant breeze at ground level, due to friction with the land, feels nothing like that.
While surely, it is highly irresponsible to place a child so close even to a closed window (you haven't check it is secured into place), that does not magically excuse this insanely dumb design on a cruise ship. I can say without any doubt, that half of the time, that play area is unsable without all the windows closed securely. Why even have them to slide open at waist high is mindboggling to me. A dumb adult bending over that window in a windy day could be blow clear off the ship, and unless he was some sort of performance jumper, at 150 feet high, he'd die on impact with the water, let alone concrete.
How cruise ships get away with stuff you would never be allowed to build on land is absolutely crazy to me. And why people are so blindsided and focus on the grandparent being an idiot is most likely why these idiotic contraptions are allowed on cruise ships.
@@darthioan, It happen in the adult section. I have looked out the same window and yes even in port it will blow your head off which the grandfather did before lifting her up and out the window. I wanted to take a picture but didn’t because I didn’t want to drop my camera due to the wind.
@@busymom7729 I stand corrected. Thank you. And to be very clear, I find that guy to be a reckless, mindnumbing idiot, along with the poor girl's parents who brought her on a cruise ship at an age where she shouldn't even be traveling, then left her with him.
The whole thing looked so preventable if at any point any one of the parents had the realization they have to give a sh*t, that there is no such thing as vacation whith a toddler. It is relocation, because you have to bring in everything and the kitchen sink with you, and watch the kid like a f*ing hawk. (i am a father of a 2 year old boy, and i cannot wait for him to grow a bit older so that me and my wife can get back 5-10% of our lives back).
I understand the impetus for the family to find an external cause for this horrible tragedy, rather than face the meaninglessness of it, or indeed the careless actions of a close relative. I'm reminded of the stories of people leaving their toddler in a hot car. How to live with each other after such a calamity?
Absolutely. It's gut wrenching and I completely understand the need to look for a different source to place your pain.
I truly feel so devastated for the grandfather too. He was obviously being careless, but can you imagine the pain he lives with? Life can be so brutal.
@@cash4goldteeth being a bit of an lush myself, that one drunken slip or miscalculation...
@@jens256I was a massive alcoholic and one of the primary reasons I quit drinking was because I was incredibly reckless and knew I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I hurt someone else. You're right that sometimes tragedies really are just meaningless.
@@cash4goldteeth absolutely. Thank you for sharing.
The answer, of course, is not at the cost of society. I completely agree with you. It's beyond tragic. But failing to engage with the truth here could very well cost more still. And we all need to have an attitude more towards improving ourselves rather than simply failing to bear the painful consequences of our own decisions. Anyone can make a tragic mistake. That's the first hurdle to overcome. But understanding accidents most often occur when the "holes in the slices of swiss cheese" of circumstances align is second. Third is that some very obvious dangers should stop being routinely overlooked.
Layer upon layer of this tragedy is clearly the responsibility of the adult in question. Being in the vicinity of a bar while in supervision of a toddler. Going to a high window. Going to one clearly open and misrepresenting this, or seeking the glass with a child but not testing it himself first. Keeping the child there. The child being wet as well. Choice after choice after choice - his doing, but not his risks to take.
In every situation when an adult is responsible for the safety of a child they need to act like it. There are mistakes and excuses he can't live with. That's horrible. But it wasn't he who died as a result - and that's worse.
Personal accountability? Hell no, sue everyone else
I blame the dude who threw the girl out the window.
AMERICA
The father is a cop, what do you expect?
@@otocanLEFTISTS
@@yesterdayseyes leftists? The cop and the lawyer?
I don't think the family ever would have gotten such benefit of the doubt if the dad wasn't a cop.
Actually I am not aware of any building where you can slide open a window rather than ever so slightly crack it open, 150 feet off the ground. I've worked or lived in high rise buildings for 20 years and I haven't seen one. Leaving aside things dropping from that height, even a fine breeze at ground level can be a full blown wind displacing anything that's not nailed inside the room. This does not excuse the grandparent's stupidity (if that was the case), but it is nevertheless an incredibly idiotic safety designed issue to be able to slide open a window at waist level so high off the ground. Even falling into the water would be lethal from such a height, and while the ship would be under way, I do not think it would make for a comfortable experience without all those panels closed. In most circumstances, you wouldn't be able to keep a glass on the table without being tipped over by the strong draft created through those wide openings.
100%
"If that was the case"
He literally held a baby out of a window Michael Jackson style big guy🙄🙄🙄
@@Scipio_Americanus calm down, keyboard warrior. Next time you want to start arguments on the internet, make sure you understand what you are reading. Nothing I said is arguing the fact that the grandfather was a reckless moron. Grow up.
@@darthioan its not a building, it's a ship. As a ship, it requires (and even has them aknowledge their understanding by signing a waiver) that the people who come aboard are aware of the inherent safety issues. TO be so blasted drunk that you forget you are on a ship 150 feet above the water and lift a baby ABOVE A RAILING is no longer the ships fault.
The mum, attorney, Indiana police, etc "we want justice!"
PR police charges grandpa with negligent homicide.
Family's attorney: "Everyone knows this was an accident."
By justice, they meant money.
With a bit of luck, they get an extra serving of justice in the form of a counter-suit for slander and libel.
@@selanryn5849I mean what else kind of justice do you want here, a resurrection? It’s either money or jail time
The involvement of thr fraternal order of police suggests total guilt of the grandfather.
The unbelievable story of a drunken road menace who threw a kid out the window, only for the parents to blame the window.
Precisely.
Now this should have been the news headline
He didn't throw her. If he did he be attempting murder
@@Watch-0w1 Well he sure as shit didn't catch her. Who the hell gets plastered and dangles a toddler out of a window 11 storeys up? I think he ought to have been charged with negligent homicide. He would have been had he been driving in that state & the child died. But people like you want to give him a pass on criminal responsibility because he wasn't in a car?
Yeah, I don't think anyone will dispute that what he did was reckless and definitely the cause of the child's death, but saying he *THREW* her out the window is not even remotely right. He didn't do that. @@serendpity3478
The step-father is a fool, plenty of dudes like that out there. They do silly shit, cause damage or loss then regrets it later.. Never take risk with kids when it comes to windows or take any risk with them period.
If I had a child and a terrace or balcony, I would secure that terrace or balcony in a way that make it literally impossibly for that child to fall off it even if someone let her sit on their shoulders right next to the railing. And there would still be a rule about keeping one's feet on the floor at all times when on a balcony, terrace or anything like it. It's an easy rule for a child to follow and the worst things that could happen (provided the child follows that rule) is that
a.) The child hesitates sitting on a chair on a terrace because when sitting on it, her feet can't be on the floor due to her height.
b.) Some people will be confused about why she insist on always keeping her feet on the floor while on balcony and give her shit for it. (Which really shouldn't happen since that rule wouldn't be in place nowhere near until she's old enough for anybody to give her shit for it.)
Oh god yes. My step sister was raised on a 13th floor apartment. Once she hit toddler/climbing stage, the rule was no open windows in the room she was in. It was constantly in the back of our minds.
I have seen SO many men do shit like this and it's disgusting how normalized it is
@@juanitaschlink2028because you come from a normal family. This guy dropped this child on purpose. This was no accident.
The mom and dad being a cop and prosecutor was an instant red flag. Of course they wouldnt take responsibility and try to pass off the responsibility.
Exactly what I thought
Just now, I was so entranced by George's storytelling I burned my dinner. I thought I turned the burner under the pan off to allow it to cool, but I had only turned it down. I didn't notice until it was too late because I allowed myself to be distracted.
This would be like me accusing George of burning my dinner, when it was my carelessness that burned my meal. I feel bad that my dinner is ruined, but I'm the one at fault. Fortunately, fried rice is not a toddler.
Very good points. Just one point of contention... Fried rice may not be a toddler, but I'm sure I could never love a human being as much as I love fried rice, soooooooooooooo... 😂🤣😂😭😭😭
Time to sue 😂
@jasonvoorhees5640
If you read the comment again, it's about fried rice.
@jasonvoorhees5640every one of your comments on every thread I read are bad takes.
You should look into a diagnostic test to understand why you can’t comprehend written language
This is why a fear of heights is one of the most essential 'skills' a human can have.
We have the DNA of people who shat their pants at the sight of a sabretooth tiger near them. Not the DNA of people who said "Why panic about a darn kittie?"
I personally have done insane things at heights but always been careful to be as safe as possible while not denying the risk. That latter part is everything. This is just someone who cannot admit responsibility for his own actions, but they weren't his risks to take anyway. I think he should have already been prosecuted for reckless endangerment and manslaughter. It might sound harsh but this is the fairest outcome in the eyes of the law. He acted without concern for safety. Seemingly routinely. Clearly the law alone wasn't sufficient to break the pattern of reckless behaviour. But the law as a deterrent is for all, not just him. Personally I think he should be held accountable for what he did - and seen to be held accountable.
@@tttm99
"but they weren't his risks to take anyway"
This is so important. I've repeatedly seen a "no risk, no fun" attitude at play when both the fun and the risk were that of another person, most of the time a child. A child who was either asked about whether they wanted to have the fun (and not told about the risk) or just not asked at all but just being put into positions where "they'd definitely have fun".
@@camelopardalis84 Amen. Adults are meant to know the risks and inform the children. Not to suffocate them but to help them learn to be cautious. Interestingly, most children intuitively seem to know their limitations far better than adults around them and *don't* often seek to put themselves in severe danger where they understand it. But for the very young there's just too little defence. when a complex artificial environment is involved, an experienced adult, and a mere toddler who intuitively *wouldn't* seek that environment or situation, much less understand it, everything here rests on the responsibility of the adult. I think we suffer more in these last 50 years - non coincidentally the rough age of this man involved - with a terrifying deficit of willingness to predict and later accept the likely consequences of our actions. I have hopes young people today are starting to correct this. People endlessly talk about their freedoms - which I will defend with a passion. But so few talk as openly about their responsibilities. This isn't a niche situation here with "arguments on both sides". This is responsibility versus denial and blame. We each have a responsibility not to needlessly and recklessly endanger the lives of others - and this has to be one of the clearest cut cases I can imagine. It's awful. It's horrible. It's beyond tragic. But in now way does anything improve here when we indulge the idea that one can simply bury their head in the sand.
It's not a skill, it's a phobia.
And how exactly is this infant supposed to act upon this ,"skill," as you call it?
As a 49 1/2 year old, I take umbrage at the idea that 51 is elderly, lol. 😂🤣😂
Okay Gramps time for your nap. We can play some bingo after and we can talk about the 80s and how great they were.
@@LordmonkeyTRM Fine, fine... But first, lemmee hold that baby!!! 🤦♂️
You're thirty-nineteen
@@nineteenfortyeight6762 👍👍👍Also, your handle is my mom's birth year. What does that mean? Nothing. Just sayin'.
@@TroubleToby3040coinkidink
Jeez, your description of how he held her up to the window gave me serious chills, there's no way I'd place my kid in that situation. Theres no way he didnt know the window was open, Why'd he pick that window out of dozens? Becuase thats the one thats open...
They need to put signs up in all the pool areas saying "water can drown you" - otherwise, how would people know the danger?!
Excellent summary. I particularly appreciate that while you're as thorough here as you are when detailing the exploits of corporations where negligence and greed go hand in hand, you couch this one in the psychological context of how individuals can react when overwhelming grief can lead to a denial of reality. Very well made.
Thanks, I’m glad that came through in the edit. Cheers :)
How was this comment made 3 days ago but the video dropped 38 minutes ago?
Patreon members get early access to videos and it's a great way to support Georg's work@@liamjones9115
@@liamjones9115 patreon early access I'd surmise?
@@liamjones9115not sure - maybe Patreon uses YT platform? Not even sure Georg has a pateon. I really shouldn't be offering my opinion on this as I just realized I have absolutely nothing to add. Okay bye.
Just looking at her in those pictures at the splash pad and the hockey game... just a little kid, man... how do you put a little, dependent innocent kid like that in a dangerous ass situation like that in a playful way? What kind of person does that make you, in general? This story got me, dang.
In my experience, it's people who either already work with children or are planning on working with children and are able to follow through on it.
I am not kidding.
@@camelopardalis84what is your experience? Actually asking
@@MemoryVague I used to work with children with mental disabilities as a volunteer. For a while, I was the leader of a group of ca. six people (including myself with the exact number depending on when exactly it was), doing that volunteer work with people who were planning on working with children professionally and went on to do so after I'd stopped volunteering with them. They saw every instance of me not being okay with something like a twelve-year-old mentally disabled child who's known for "not being able to recognise dangers" (this was written on an instruction sheet about her issues and diagnoses etc.) walking alone, about 25 to 50 metres (82 to 164 feet) behind us on a street as a sign of me being unnecessarily cautious. "Come on, nothing's going to happen *here* ! There are no cars around!" Drivers (at least where I live) tend to be *less* cautious on streets with no traffic around. Especially if normally, there are no pedestrians on the street in question. A street with no pavement that is exclusively for pedestrians, separating them from the drivers. Just every type participant in traffic - pedestrian, driver, bicycle rider, whatever - is just moving from A to B behind each other and not next to each other. The person who'd been the leader before me before he quit volunteering there was a kindergarten teacher. Whenever we were going on trips with him, it was clear that the group was walking together, with an adult in front and an adult at the back. Just a normal safety measure that was taken even in places where there literally could not be any car drivers or even bicyclists. That's just one of many, many, many examples. The other volunteers' unwillingness to follow basic safety rules (in a country where US level views on safety are seen as being massively overexaggerated and even more so back then, twenty plus years ago than today!) was presented as "simply being reasonable and not being much too afraid of all kinds of things happening at any moment". No-one ever said it, but I am sure those people accused me of having an anxiety disorder. And had the term "helicopter parent" been around already, I would have been called a "helicopter leader" or something like it.
My assumption is that it didn't even come into his mind as a possible danger. He routinely didn't wear a seatbelt or follow traffic laws. This is the kind of behaviour that he was doing with his own life, and the lack of any consequence beyond the odd traffic ticket was unconsciously feeding into a bias within him that safety precautions weren't for him. That nothing bad would happen to him. He didn't think it was a danger. He thought it would be fun for her. And I don't think he even consciously knew he had this bias that nothing bad would happen to him. I don't think he consciously cognised that seatbelts, speed limits, railings, were all there to protect and prevent things like this. He wanted it spelled out in front of him in big bold letters because he didn't even process a safety railing as a warning. Just a vague nuisance in his way to the window. It's sad that he had to learn his lesson via a child's death.
@@MemoryVague I replied to your comment several hours ago. Have you been able to read it? It doesn't show up for me.
I think your interpenetration of the family's motives is quite generous. I think the whole thing was about the money. Their lawyer is one of the scummiest people I have ever seen. You don't hire someone like that if you want justice, you hire someone like that because you want to get paid.
granddad was incredibly stupid, or negligent in legal speak,that child was safe until he put her on the ledge, he is solely responsible for her death, and no one else
A tragic and very avoidable accident.
Your analysis of the psychology of the parents absolutely nailed it. I had to watch my own mother destroy her life and the lives of many of the people around her simply because she could not accept the responsibilities of her own negligence. It's incredible the mental gymnastics people will perform when the alternative is just too traumatic to confront.
ffs dude, you can't say something like that & not elaborate. What did your mother do??
@jasonvoorhees5640get better bait lol
The window wasn’t even anywhere near the children’s play area. Lie after lie, zero accountability.
Poor kid.
Whoever loses, the lawyers win.
*HAND RUBBING INTENSIFIES*
@@UnityAgainstJewishEvil you're not being subtle enough
@@deetvleet
I would hope not.
@@UnityAgainstJewishEvil Please be a fan of someone else. Georg is pretty explicitly against fascism.
@@JohnSmith-mc2zz
Me too, I think you may have trouble identifying fascists though. Have you ever read the talmud? That’s probably the most egregious example of fascist literature there is.
I like how him being a cop is kind of a 'oh here we go' moment. Like you realize "oh this is gonna get *stupid,* fast."
In almost any other circumstance you probably be right, but in this one I think it is the mother/prosecutor who is far more the impetus behind this than the cop.
They dropped a child off the 11th floor. It's their responsibility to look after their child whether they're on the ground floor or the 100th. Everything they say about the ships responsibility is true of themselves as parents.
Yep, that's the terrible aspect of grief and especially a child's death
@jasonvoorhees5640 Imagine blindly lashing out at a company when you were the one dangling the child out of an 11th story window
He literally put the kid over the SAFETY RAILING, thats like being surprised when you dropp your kid i the gorilla enclosure for holding them over the safety fence.
@jasonvoorhees5640 imagine hanging your kid over the saftey railing and then blameing the company for it, man some of you people will excuse bad people as long as you get to blame the " evil corp".
11 stories… Can you imagine the impact on the ground. Horrific
I remember this story very clearly in the immediate aftermath, but I honestly forgot about all the stuff in the years after. It's one of the most horrific things a family could possibly go through, that was completely preventable. The question I would ask Sal Anello is, would you have held that little girl off the side of a tall building or at the edge of a canyon or off an overpass? Like what about doing it on a cruise ship made it seem reasonable or safe? It was so goddamn stupid, and it was a horrible fucking shame for that child. I understand wanting to pass some responsibility off to the cruise line, but obviously, no one had been dumb enough to do something like that until Anello did it. You can't plan for every outcome, because some people are way dumber than you could ever imagine.
I have a 1 year old daughter and sorry for your algorithm I had to switch off half way through… I just couldn’t cope 😢🥺😪
I have moments where I wince and have to pause this story. The central tragedy of it is pretty powerful.
I'm pretty comfortable hearing some nasty true crime but this one in particular was a struggle to get through myself.
Ye, but it's just some other idiot doing it, it happened like 5 years ago, what's there to "cope" with? There was nothing gruesome or violent in the story either (aside from the description of the fall and what the doctor saw), mostly just the family trying to win the lawsuit through a sob story that's clearly fabricated to save the grandpa and their own dignity.
@@TheUltimateBlooper Imagine being so daft you have to write some apologetic nonsense for one of these junk grade cruise ship corporations, and having opinions concerning things you have no f***ing idea because you are not a parent.
Regardless of the idiot grandfather, draft alone makes it an insanely bad idea to have windows which can slide open nice and wide, 150 feet off the ground, at f***ing sea. You clearly have never been anywhere close to the sea, a minimum 10 floor high to figure out that no building has windows which can open wide at that height (150 feet/50 meters off the ground - about 20 floors heigh for a high rise building), and there would be no point to it, draft alone is uncofortable on a calm day, borderline dangerous on a windy day. I bet half the time, that area is completely unusable without all the windows securely closed.
@jasonvoorhees5640and you’re simping for a mid 50 year old man who was too drunk to act like a human.
"Your honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury: This giant boat has the unmitigated audacity to be a giant boat!"
I have nightmares where i do something as stupid and horrible and avoidable as what this guy (probably) did. I'll be freaking out in the dream "omg why did i do that wtf?!" And then I'll wake up and be so relieved that it's just a dream and I didn't just cause the death of some loved one. I think it is my brain telling itself cautionary tales, in a way.
This man can't wake up from the nightmare he is living and in spite of everything i have some empathy for that. I'm not too sure i could live with myself if I were him. I would at least have to become a hermit and live in a mountain cave i think.
yeah, anxiety can suck, but if it prevents things like this maybe it's ok sometimes
I have those kinds of dreams sometimes. Like I’ll go to some unfamiliar city and park in some random place and then lose my car or leave my dog in public unattended and just think he’s gonna be there when I get back. It’s definitely a manifestation of anxiety and it sucks. It’s always a relief to wake up and realize you didn’t actually do whatever absurd thing, though.
Poor girl. All those moments never realised, all the experiences and the person she eventually could have become, scattered to the wind like chaff. And then her name is forever entwined with a painful story of confused blame and straw-grasping. No-one will even remember her because of the circumstances that surround her death. Rest in peace, child.
I cant help but feel like if I was the Grandpa I'd have followed her shortly out of the window.
Really a disgraceful story start to finish.
.....What...?
@@positronundervolt4799 He would have jumped after that child.
I spent two weeks on the vessel not long after. The company were clearly spooked by the fallout as they had members of staff deployed everywhere standing constant vigil. Many were stood in the blazing sun for hours without rest and some collapsed because of heat exhaustion/sun stroke.
I'm not sure the people collapsing in the sun were the ones worried about the company's liability.
@@JohnSmith-mc2zz The company's liability is their livelihood. You'd better believe they were concerned. Companies such as Royal Caribbean leave them with no doubt. It's a dirty business. But that's the business.
Yeah I don’t need a warning not to hold a baby out of an open window.
People of wealth and privilege who have made their careers and status out of finding fault in others, facing the consequences of their own careless behavior:
Not that it's not still sad. But at some point, it stops being about Chloe, and has become about assuaging their own guilt and the media circus they have created. It lacks any emotional intelligence.
Idk man im not halfway through yet but as a nanny and daycare worker it's pretty downright inexcusable to be putting any age child around windows/ledges 11 stories high. I mean the letting her press on it, hang over it, propping her feet on it etc. like we can look out it but if im watchin a kid, we're not pressing on any windows 11 stories high or standing on any railings to look out windows on my watch nosir
The Grandad couldnt tell there was no glass when Chloe was stretching out her arms? What a stupid old man for putting her in such pointless danger.
He’s straight up lying. Imagine if we didn’t have that footage of him clearly leaning over the railing and sticking his head out and then letting her stand on the railing. We’d have nothing to counteract his bs narrative. It’s so chilling that even though it’s just grainy silent security footage as soon as it happens it’s just total chaos and people running to see what happened. I can’t imagine the trauma of having to witness something so terrible.
Still, even if he hadn’t leaned over there’s no way he’s not gonna feel a breeze out on the ocean high up with no obstructions to block the wind. I personally think he was drunk and just being a careless idiot. I remember one time I was parallel parking my car and this lady started unloading her car in front of me and she just puts her tiny kid down in front of my car when I’m not even done parking yet. Some people are just idiots who expect a safety net or air cushion to pop out of nowhere and save them from their bad decisions. It’s truly frightening how many of these types exist.
He wasn't old.
He knew. His story is a lie.
What a shameless, gross family.
This is a hard watch, but thank you.
What a silly argument by thenlyawyer. Yeah, passengers can open windows on a cruise ship... The adult passengers can open them. The kids can't reach. The kids aren't putting themselves through the window.
I blame the dude who threw the girl out the window.
I'd say anyone who has been on a cruise ship knows it is not the cruise lines fault. That lawyer is so slimy it is disgusting
South Bend Police suddenly caring about retraumatising families and people in distress when it's their guy smh
Why does this man get three years of probation?!? That's such a slap on the wrist.
He got life, in the prison of his own mind, and his daughter is the jailer.
@jasonvoorhees5640are you the grandpa or something?
@jasonvoorhees5640 why are you leaving ragebait in random comment replies, go outside
Main thing to take away from this? This Winkleman guy is a terrible lawyer.
That lawyer was just looking for the money and sadly he got it.
Based on his record he's actually a pretty good lawyer, for my purely functional standpoint, which is obviously why they hired him. maybe he didn't win this case, doesn't change the fact that he's usually pretty successful.
I instantly remembered Michael Jackson holding his kid over the railing
Stop it, that’s ignorant 😊
"That's ignorant, let's play! SAAAARATETOTTA!!!"
he dangled Blanket
@@danieldemayo6209 it took me a second but I get the reference. 😂
this would be like if MJ tried to sue the hotel if Blanket slipped from his grip. that would be pretty... ignorant 😎
The sudden death of a child can warp the minds of most parents I would think.. What a horrific story :(
Couldn’t agree more with your conclusion… as much as I loathe to defend the ‘evil’ corporation, acting as if big stickers or neon warning signs would’ve prevented this tragedy is just a way to cope with the grief and forgive the grandfathers momentary lapse in judgement. I can’t imagine how painful their loss is and I hope they are able to find some peace in the future.
(7:21) Where ships go to die... And be broken down by poor people making pitiful amounts of money in horrible conditions... 😕
Indeed.
All whilst the company that owns the ships are getting grants for the ecological dismantling of them.
Workers at the aliaga shipyard make significantly more than the average salary in turkey
@@timothyabbott8537 They barely make a living wage and I'm sure figuring in the horribly unsafe working conditions and the toxic substances they come into contact with, I'm sure what relatively extra they get is worth it, right?
I am that weirdo that even if the window was closed I would never let a child get near it bc I don't know how strong it is, glass can break, I woud never trust it.
Im sure it was an accident, but I truly hope that guy doesn't ever get to get over this. How can a grown, mentally competant adult not be able to tell whether a window is closed or not? That's insanely idiotic on such an extreme level that it makes me skeptical of the whole thing
he knew it was open
WRT to whether or not he attended the safety briefing:
I was on that ship about 5 months earlier. It doesn't set sail until everyone is accounted for on the relevant deck, by the allocated lifeboat, to receive said safety briefing.
Somehow I doubt they changed their procedures in the time in between.
I want to point out and emphasize the seamanship required to bring a vessel into the breaking ground so efficiently and successfully is astounding. ( 2:13 ) ( 7:21 )
7:21 is a collision, you can see stuff falling in between the leftmost and center ship. But I couldn’t do any better to be fair 😂
@@insertnamehere917 , I'm certain that vessel was grounded at a breaking yard. To overcome the natural tendency of a seaman to avoid grounding and pilot a vessel in such tight quarters without apparent tugs is amazing. But I guess if that's your business it's probably boring.
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@@paineoftheworld that is definitely impressive! So much skill in piloting such a massive and high-inertia vessel
@@insertnamehere917 , hey I found maybe the source of the clip!
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I cannot believe the appeal went through. I also cannot believe this family won't just accept the truth and stop fighting a ship when they knew immediately who killed their kid. It's been long enough. Just stop.
I feel particularly bad for the 10 year old son. That kid is 14 now and probably now just understanding what happened.
Great video, I completely agree that Anello was 100% at fault and knew the window was open.
I think you're right. I can only imagine the horror and the grief this family endures, but while I hate to side with Royal Caribbean; I don't think they're to blame for this. I understand the Wiegand's unwillingness to internalize the blame within their own family, but it is what it is. Americans, in general, do not care for mysterious or unsatisfying conclusions. Someone must be to blame, and/or a lawsuit must follow. I wish the family peace, and hope for healing. I don't really care what happens to Royal Caribbean.
Thank you so much for the video! I had never heard of this story and you broke it all down so well. Absolutely fascinating.
Cheers! 👍🏿
What I learned today: trigger warnings have value.
Why? Daily news involving street crime, shootings, etc are much more gruesome than a story about a fall.
This is a comedy channel, but i wasn't expecting Gallagher does babies
You can't always stick your head in the sand
@@Forakusnot what warning are for but go off
"Oh no, Grandad killed our child. How can we profit from it?"
A cop refusing to take responsibility for his own actions? Wow I’m just so shocked.
My stepdad would’ve killed himself if he ever did something like that…. He would not have kept living if he knew he took my daughter’s life. This is so sad and beyond tragic.
Your last point was exactly what I was thinking the whole video. People do reckless things all the time, every day and don’t die. Sometimes inevitably someone will die. Maybe there should be additional safety measures in place for windows that high up. With kids running around especially.
Yeah nah, i can’t stomach this one. Your videos are always A++ though
lol why? This is one of the least gruesome things I've heard/seen. Daily crime news with street violence are far more stomach churning than this. Are you sheltered?
A couple points I’m a little surprised you didn’t bring up in this video are the fact that Anello isn’t her biological grandfather, in fact he wasn’t even married to Chloe’s grandmother at the time, he was simply her boyfriend. Later on during all the legal issues they got married, presumably at least in part so that she wouldn’t be made to testify against him. I’m not saying he didn’t care about her but the fact that he has been portrayed in the media as grandfather when there’s no biological relation and he wasn’t a grandfather from a legal perspective at the time either I think is at least somewhat noteworthy.
A married couple not being able to testify against each other is a myth. They absolutely can be made to testify against each other.
I'm suprised Kimberly's mother didn't immediately break up with Anello and sever all contact with him. How the family managed to convince themselves that he was worth keeping in their lives, after his unforgivable stupidity and negligence, is beyond belief. If they had accepted it was 100% his fault they might have found some resolution, instead of instigating a media circus with endless, futile lawsuits.
He did mention that Anello wasn’t biologically related
I think this is actually so so so pivotal, like it's well-known that bringing male partners into a family with children can be extremely dangerous and they really shouldn't be trusted. He was not her grandfather, but the family chose that narrative to try and get sympathy, shame on him and the family. It is pure privilege that the media accepted their lies and gave him a sympathetic portrayal and it's sickening, what a disgusting case and family.
My father and I both have ADHD and are very accident prone. He has me when he was about this man's age. I can't even watch this, my god this is so sad.
I wonder if Annello'a blood alcohol was ever tested withun a few goues of the incident. I bet the result would have been telling. It was a bar after all.
I am 6 minutes in and immediately asking this question 🤔
The footage which shows Anello at Deck 11 does not show him drinking anything and even then, this is an irrelevancy. Whether drunk or sober, he was proven beyond all doubt that he was not a responsible man. In fact, Anello himself ADMITTED HIS OWN GUILT FROM THE START, the only reason why he said what he said to the media was primarily because he was never interviewed by the mainstream media in the Mainland United States before in his life. And of course, the media sided with the Wiegand family purely for monetary reasons, because a "small town family faces off a massive, multinational corporation that operates in an industry that is historically corrupt and negligent" is a nice narrative to ride with, especially since this was taking before the Hong Kong riots in August 2019 and the reports in Wuhan in November 2019, the World Cup ended a year before Chloe's death, meaning that it was a very slow month for the news.
That ship's doctor has a name that sounds like it was concocted for a villain in some badly written James Bond fanfic. 5:26
The grandfather's name sounded like a joke, too. It sounded like "Sam Anelo". Like salmonella, lol.
Someone has definitely written a vampire fanfic using that name
Working for a cruise liner does suggest villiany.
I think the grandfather just did something stupid that turned tragic in a blink of the eye.
Yip, it is no more complicated than that.
Without even engaging in any discussion on the responsibilities of the cruise ship, we can sadly realize this: No amount of safety, no amount of warning, no amount of law, no amount of destroying society for the irresponsible few will prevent the irresponsible being injured or injuring others. I can certainly understand someone guilty of doing something so reckless simply not being able to come to terms with their actions. But society shouldn't bow every time to such people... should deliberate soberly on the question of reasonable safety. Maybe the window shouldn't be opened or openable. Many don't in much lower structures, by law... But that can cause other safety issues regarding ventilation and fire. But this had to be a choice. A poor choice. Not accepting this might be for self preservation of the individual involved. That doesn't mean society should likewise live in denial.
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I’m only 24:31 in, but this is driving me crazy. It’s a railing. What purposes to railings serve? As boundaries. Whether it’s a balcony or a queue line, everyone knows not to cross a railing.
Me: oh this looks interesting Headline: "fell from her grandfather's hands" Me: no I don't want to watch any more, too sad
We need signs saying falling from a great height is dangerous
Lol the mom announcing a criminal case while saying, "we don't want her legacy to be court cases." Selfish people
Just wanted to say that dropping the Arrested Development maritime law song in there is inspired. Bravo
Excellent video. I remember when this happened but never did much research into it.
You dont need a warning sign to tell you not to dangle a baby out of an 11th story window...prat! Grandad killed baby, then tried to shift the blame onto the cruise ship. Parents desperate to find blame and not wanting to blame their relative, jumped onto to his accusation of the cruise ship and ran with it
Moral of the story,
don’t throw kids out windows, they might die.
> Drops kid out a window
> Blames window
This is why people should have more anxiety.
True, it is a gift at times. At the same time, too much anxiety could lead you to make some dumb decisions as well.
not enough, never enough, do i have enogh?
I have worked with, around and for people who've claimed that I am "overly concerned something bad could happen". Often, this was the case when I was working around children, and being responsible for them. I have been forced to be around such people for two decades by now. To make a long story very short: This has led to me seeing things like a little boy, maybe two years old, run away from his grandmother, directly towards a street and instantly thinking "No, danger! I need to step in and warn the grandmother!" followed *INSTANTLY* by a "No, you're not allowed to". That second kind of thought I never had naturally. I know it is a bad thought to have. It's far from a case of me thinking "No, if I step in now, I will be accused of being overly anxious for no good reason, therefore I just don't do anything." It's an involuntary second reaction. The first reaction is reasonable and good. The second one has been drilled into me. To say that I hate that this was done to me would be a massive understatement.
If anyone's interested in hearing it, there's a second part to this.
@pardalis84thats pretty obvious one. Maybe more female thing but some men like to play around kids too, so it is beneficial to be a bit too cautious than reckless, especially with very young kids. Other case is eg construction yard where deadly dangers are around but people may downplay dangers as group. Rule of thumb about kids I heard, yes it is annoying for others that mom is like that, but it is worth pain,effort that in one case of 100 it saves kid(99 false alarms). Afterall kids take 20years and more to grow and any tiny accident could be lethal. I noticed myself and others forget danger exists if there is never false alarms(close calls in some case), so that also is good reminder to keep sharp.
Second insidious part is, if everyone downplay that trait, it makes anxiousness even bigger. It may have some real reason behind it, thus keeping it repeating. (for minimum other people not trusting you adds to stresslevel, which alone raises anxiousness as normal thing... it is good for someone not being anxious but too much that stress may push person "over border" to some serious illness)
I was thinking the same thing. I could never imagine even imagining doing what he did without thinking of her falling and wanting to puke. Considering his constant recklessness, I wonder if he's got a smaller frontal lobe than most or something.
This is why we can’t have or do cool things anymore. Some idiot always ruins it for everyone. It’s a tough situation. Does a business have to make it impossible for anyone to hurt them selves in every possible scenario, or does common sense apply at some point and the individual is held responsible? If it really was a “child’s play area” things should be child proof but idiot proof too?
It was child proof. No child could have climbed up there and jumped out that window on their own.
We are not owed or deserving of "nice things" or "cool things" and the same is true of the inverse. Responsibility is relative for a reason because we are NOT a hivemind. People do a lot of retarded shit all the time, I've done it, you've done it. And most of the time, we get away with it scott-free. As is the way of LIFE, sometimes, we DON'T get away with it and die or get severely or minorly injured as a result of our actions.
Boy do i agree with your proposed Why it Happened -- wanting to blame a faceless corporation instead of (as they would see it) tearing their family apart.
That poor baby should not have been alone with Anello
Man this whole thing made me feel sick, from beginning to end.
I remember the occasion. This was a hard watch and it makes me sad knowing the fate of the child.
I cannot believe that Georg is "re-victimising" this family, by re-noticing the fact that the re-baby's re-grandfather killed her and then the rest of the re-family tried to get a massive re-payday out of it.