Why are some of us smashing on Ruslan? Every point this guy brought up Ruslan has agreed with throughout his career. He is very conservative and speaks out on these issues frequently. Ruslan only gave helpful push back on how aggressive certain people’s liberalism is (Tim Keller), and made a point to say that the Right has anti-Christian problems as well. Seems pretty dang fair, especially for a dude who is just trying to get to the truth
I'm a conservative republican here who has happened to listen to a lot of Tim Keller. Tim has stated in many of his sermons that socialism does NOT work and has many flaws. And Tim has stated in multiple sermons that marriage should be between a man and woman. Tim wasn't afraid of these concepts/topics, and was willing to discuss not just the cons, but also the pros. Where these topics got things wrong, but as well as where they got things right. Tim was not perfect (like the rest of us), but so many people take quotes out of context from him and smear this man's name. This smearing is done by people who have clearly not taken the time to actually listen to even a fraction of his full sermons. It's rather sad and disappointing to hear so many people parroting the same Tim Keller talking points. Praying that everyone who chooses to smear the name of another individual actually takes the time to consider just how much of that individuals work they have truly spent time with. Additionally, ask yourself if you truly know that individuals beliefs or if you're just assuming you know based off of small quotes that have been taken from a 45min sermon or a 200+ page book.
I listened to his Identity conference (targeted towards the conversation of homosexuality) and he literally says our identity should be in Christ, not in our sexuality. I don't know how we get from there to "he's a liberal who doesn't want us to know what sin is", and if people take long to understand what he's saying, it doesn't make what he's saying fraudulent. It's a question of the comprehension skills of the listener. Not everyone needs to have the same preaching style.
Tim Keller was a wonderful teacher and has helped me understand so many biblical truths and gain a deep sense of inner healing. I don’t personally think he should be categorized with these other people who have made mistakes. It’s weird
@@candacedudley8083 Don't forget that we ought to look at our teachers as servants and not infallible beings they are not Jesus. In other words the Lord can use a teacher as a vessel of truth for others to hear, but that same teacher can also step outside of the Holy Spirit and speak or preach things that are outside of God's will. Jesus taught us. Matthew 7:21-23 not everyone who is doing for God is walking with God. Test everything know the Bible for yourself so you can see when a teacher steps outside of the the realm of God's word and into His own opinions and feelings about things.
It’s not a wild claim actually. Many people feel that way and are quite justified based on the things he has said about racism, injustice, and other social/political ideologies over the last several years before his passing.
@ look at the case he was making about the 4 things Christian’s needed to stand for moving into the future. Not liberal at all. Calling him liberal is pretty ridiculous. Just cause so called conservatives are afraid to even address these issues and Keller was not.
Both sides of the political spectrum criticized him because he recognized the valid and biblical concerns of each side while at the same time pointing out their mistakes.
@Armedwithamindtx true, but i think a lot try to say that refusing to change stance on a given issue, such as unborn ending, and get told were 'holding back progress'. Progress toward . . . Sin is not something progress should be made
Tim Keller: liberal? I need some hard proof here. I listen to plenty of Tim Keller sermons & have yet to hear anything related to liberalism. How did Tim draw people away from sanctification? 16:06
Yeah I'm not convinced by what the guy in the interview said either. Just because Keller doesn't think that the Bible gives us a government model (which it doesn't) or that the government shouldn't make abortion illegal (a questionable stance), that makes him raging liberal? You're gonna need more than that...
This is a blender of good points, slightly bias points, polar bias points, back to good food for thought. What a ride! Overall, just appreciative these conversations exists to illuminate all the ideas that are driving our society.
@cyuper are you in disagreement with his conclusions about Tim Keller, or you saying what he has said about Tim Keller's position on the subjects mention are just not true?
yea, hes wrong on Keller. Keller could answer those questions straight and still have a graceful response that points to Jesus and not JUST condemnation. I have always been leary of Lentz and glad he has gotten help and seems to be moving forward, but his penchant for the spotlight and publicity is very disconcerting. hes definitely oversimplifying. my opinion is Ruslan you should have vetted this dude a bit more.
He's not wrong about the feminization of the church. This has been pervasive for the last 2 decades. It's a result of the feminization of men in the culture and this culture being brought into the church. This is why churches today emphasize emotions over Scripture. So everyone is taught that you need to be so gentle with everyone so they don't get offended by truth or by Scripture. Obviously, discretion and love are necessary depending on the situation, however this should not be at the expense of truth.
I’d be curious to see how many times the words “liberal” and “conservative” are mentioned in the Bible. So many of these Political Pastors scream about getting back to the scriptures yet all they talk about is liberal this, conservative that. The Right, the Left, etc. Their problem is that they think their talking points don’t apply to them…
He is liberal. Just not entirely leftist. There is a difference, but he certainly became more and more liberal over the last several years before he passed.
@@johnwwanpolitically and socially, its better for the right to become more right than for Tim to become more left. And to be clear, Tim went more left than you are admitting. It was not just one additional leftist idea. He went left on a variety of social and political issues.
@ Can you explain further? I know he was a registered Democrat, but he explained that as it was because Republicans had no shot in NY so he chose to try to affect the only party that mattered. The only real issue I see is the one mentioned in this video of a person going 4 years and not knowing about the church’s stance on abortion… but at the same time, I don’t believe in the church should be as political as much of it is because Jesus intentionally abstained from the political systems of his day.
Basham’s book has done more harm than good it seems. To even put Keller and Ortlund in the “intellectual left” camp is just hypergeneralizing them just because they have a nuanced view. I know plenty of conservatives that struggle with outlawing abortion because of the concern of dangerous illegal abortions. It’s a legitimate concern. I still think it should be illegal, but it doesn’t mean others aren’t conservative enough.
Ruslan - why are you saying the cop shooting the lady is racism? How do you know that? Why isn't the motivation sexism or classism? How do you know its race? And, so what's the point of bringing it up?
Some people can't see a christian share a concern with liberals without labeling them liberals, the enemy also takes advantage of this. I fear this man is over-correcting to the opposite side. I have listened to hundreds of Keller's sermons and he did not fear calling a sin out, he also frequently encouraged people to meditate on the word.
Former Hillsong Atteendee here this man is lying or this may be his lived expereince. Sin and repentance where taught. Additionally he sounds upset specifically at Carl Lentz it looks like he got the treatment or the recognition he yearned for.
Former attendee and volunteer here and I disagree. I remember being told by leaders not to answer these hard questions. They knew what the Bible taught but were a bit ashamed about it cause at the core of it, they just really wanted to please the world. Sin, holiness, sanctification and repentance were barely mentioned from the pulpit. Prosperity and living your best life now were the main focus.
Same here, my wife and I went to a Hillsong church here in Phoenix for a few years and they always talked about sin. Unfortunate the generalization of the entire organization based on his lived experience
This man is completely wrong. Carl has spoken up for pro-life, quoting Psalm 139. In the church, and Hillsong has have their teaching pastors break down and spoke about Sin and repentance. “I wanna know your story” cuz we know secular pundits are gonna bring up 🍇 or mothers health which even we put in a different category.
Quoting a psalm that can be used to support pro life is very different to rebuking abortion. They need to not be so seeker friendly by tip towing around important issues. Abortion is murder and we shouldn’t be afraid to say it in church.
I never comment on videos but no matter how "theologically" sound someone is, when they are mimicking and not being respectful of others (which this guy is) .... out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. He seems a bit hurt in some way and its not appearing loving. Or displaying any other fruits of the spirit tbh!
I feel conflicted about what he said about Hillsong having liberal values, only because I did go to their leadership college and served in the church for 3 years. I consider myself a very conservative person both in values, theology and politics and never heard any of this stuff that this dude was explaining. Now this could have been this man’s individual experience, but I experienced the opposite of this. Leadership was very open in talking about sin and how the scriptures talk about the graveness of sin. This just seems inaccurate to me.
the criticism is not that they dont believe in sin or its graveness. Its that they dont preach it in church (not never, but mostly) quote unquote "because we need to reach sinners and the lost". And on all major cultural issues, Hillsong is political in its speech not only in public but also in church. Churches like Hillsong are great at evangelism and filling stadiums, but dare I say "terrible at discipleship". Both are equally important.
@@lingonberry6500but my issue is that wasn’t my experience personally. I heard every message every Sunday for a few years and never noticed a “holding back the punch” on the discussion of sin ever. I would have been deeply bothered by it too if I had.
Current Hillsong Sydney attendant here; literally 2 weeks ago we had one of our pastor’s preach on sin and the black and white relationship with grace. Such a powerful message leading up to Christmas, if interested please look up Pastor Robert Ferguson or Pastor Hayden Nelson. They both recently spoke on sin at our main campus and are quite clear on what the bible and Jesus says about sin. Maybe this man speaking may have experienced a different story and that is definitely worth placing value, but I can confirm Hillsong Church has changed from the toxic culture days and are really invested to building strong church communities that emphasise the importance of sound doctrine and loving our neighbours☺️.
Kind = is a selfless act Nice = selfish act Being nice is a self-centered behavior that only comes with the intent of pleasing others. We are only nice in order for people to like us. In comparison, kindness is selfless, acting on the best interest of others. It’s selfish and self serving. A kind person doesn’t conform but acts in love based on their genuine love for their people. A kind person will tell someone what they need to here and not what they want to here out of love and the desire to see them better themselves.
I can’t speak to his claims about Hillsong or Carl. His take on the seeker sensitive’s goal to liberalize Christianity is a vast oversimplification. The goal was contextualization. The movement had its flaws for sure. But the leaders were not attempting to liberalize Christianity.
The fact that he quotes Meghan Bashan in his justification of calling Tim Keller a liberal is a red flag for me. I’ve listened to and read Tim Kellers books for 15 years now and would never describe him as a liberal. Keller was a nuanced and careful thinker and not everybody appreciates that. So sometimes it’s just easier to call someone a liberal rather than truly understand what they’re trying to say. Just a thought
Just watched a review of Meghan Bashan's book and there are big critiques that lessen her credibility. Misquotations and mischaracterisations are common in her Shepperds for sale book.
Weird to hear this guy conflating liberalism, progressivism and leftism. Leftism pertains to economic policy and a way of organizing government. You should take political compass test. Then defending racism is wild.
I understand that there is racism on the far right, I see it & no one could deny that especially with people like Nick Fuentes as you said. However I will say, maybe due to the racism on the far right that has led to this but nowadays you can’t just say racism on far right. I’m a Hispanic male & you could clearly see racism on the left for white people, Asian people a lot of times & any other group as well when they speak to us as some kind of victims. A lot of times if not most the left really only defends black people & seems clearly to me just virtual signaling. So all I’m saying is that I don’t like that when we say racism all we think about is the right, when it’s on both sides now in some way. But condemn it all the same of course! God bless!
He calls it a sin but says it won’t send you to hell, so many claim he muddied the waters and provided confusion. Search “Tim Keller homosexuality veritas forum”
Can always tell the people who are more against something than they are for something. The Tim Keller take was super inaccurate and disrespectful, straight Instagram theology right here. And what’s funny is his church looks like a rock concert and not sacred lol 🤔
This is why the protestant church is watching people go to apostolic churches. The bible isn't ALL about love. There are things that may come off as dark to some but need to be taught nonetheless
It is all about Love. But it’s not Love without truth. Because we need to know what to have Faith in, and to have judgment and good. And it’s not without purpose and consequence, because we need the aim of life, so we can have rest in that Hope. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. That Love is up and down every Scripture. It’s ALL about that.
@@chickenmonger123I agree, that’s a huge difference that needs to be identified more. If it’s focused on “Bible isn’t all about love” then it comes off as harsh and radical.
Visited this guy’s Instagram after watching this and it seems he’s A LOT more concerned with politics than he is with spreading the ACTUAL gospel and pointing people to repentance and salvation. :/
He has not critically read or engaged with Keller. Keller had such a beautiful and poignant Christology that he looked at cultural and political issues through the lens of the Gospel of Jesus. Keller truly believed that the Gospel is a scalpel that first brings healing through identity then change (see Making Sense of God and How to Reach the West Again). This guy on the other hand uses the Bible to fit his politics and cultural views (neomoralism and fundamentalism) then throws around blanket terms like “liberal” and “liberalism” to defend his position.
This is a bit odd considering one of their most popular songs “What a beautiful name” mentions sin. Is there then more flexibility in song lyrics over preaching and teaching?
That is what was most sneaky and confusing about Hillsong. On paper and even in their lyrics, they sound very orthodox and Bible based in their beliefs. But then when you hear their prosperity gospel & Word of Faith preaching and the fruit of the leader’s lives you can see something was incredibly wrong. It was this weird confusing dynamic combined with the teaching to touch not God’s anointed and never ever judge (even though the Bible tells us to judge rightly and discern like the Bereans) that trapped us there for so long.
My brotha (the guest) need to ease of Fox News and etc to get back into the Word. I can always tell when fam m is getting too deep into politics when all I hears is political labeling mostly condemning the left while staying silent about the right…. Especially on a biblical podcast. I’m glad Rus finally mentioned that right has racists as well. The guest seems to be very pushy on the “left winged” political talk stuff when this is not a show rooted in politics. He was giving the impression that the “right” is righteous when only Christ is. Talk like that will stifle the relationships to share the Gospel with the lost…. It definitely gave that impression when the guest became heightened on “winsome” Christianity and almost said you shouldn’t be kind, which is literally a fruit of the Spirit. As much as a person shouldn’t want to be a “winsome” Christian they also should not want to be the complete opposite. Dude‘s mind about to be BLOWN when he discovers in scripture it’s God kindness that lead men to repentance 😅.. Keep up the good work Rus, you reaching the left & right for the Kingdom
Comment section so much hate on Andrew Sedra.. I can understand that most Christian’s aren’t use to a preacher who speaks with conviction. Odd concept these days. Hence the seeker sensitive movement being popular
This dude is wild. Repeated himself about 4x on Hillsong's stance on racism. Dude seems stuck in a culture war. He gives off 'guy who wants to say the thing' vibes. He wants to say the thing for bravado's sake and not for the lost's sake.
Homie is annoying with cutting people off. Homie is either very prideful and thinks his point of view is more important than others or he has ADHD. Either way he looks super arrogant and pompous.
This guy is just to black and white. And talks like he knows everything. Way too many generalisations. Couldn't give a definition of kindness, outside his talking points.
Spot on with his talk on Tim Keller here. For those who disagree, look at what he said and did with Francis Collins as a starting point and what collins said and more importantly did. It’s one thing to have a friend who does massive , massive evil. It’s another thing to put that friend (Collins) as an example of Christian virtue. But when you deny that human life doesn’t begin at conception it validates doing anything you want to that little human life. Classic human rights abuse tactic- just deny their humanity first.
This guy just loves to talk. It’s very hard for Rusland to even put a few words in. He is not listening to him he is thinking what he will say next. “He wasn’t polite” 😀 when someone is interviewing you, wait for the host to ask you a question, don’t ran over him with your answers. Just my opinion. Very hard to listen to people like this.
When love is the emphasis, it’s feminist Christianity? “For God so “loved”…I’m don’t agree with this…further, “Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church…” Love is the foundation of the gospel!
Timothy Keller - “I know abortion is a sin, but the Bible doesn’t tell me the best political practice policy to decrease or end abortion in this country….” YIKES
Hey bro, that reminds me of Joshua 9, when Joshua makes an error in judgement that hinders Israel. Joshua was trying to be nice, but did not consult with God FIRST, so he made a treaty with people they were supposed to go to war with.
Question is, what is the "left" or "right"? If Nick is considered "far right", but he espouses sentiments commonly expressed by the "far left", such as anti-jewish ideologies, then what exactly makes him "right wing"?
@BlessGodStudios I understand what you're saying, but perhaps it's more complicated that what we give it credit for. Sure, he refers to himself as far right, but that's not really the question I posited. Additionally, while it may not have been the intention to insinuate such, no where in my question did I suggest that racism is only on one side. The intention of the thought is more focused on what defines what is right or left, and to what degree? Clearly most accusations of being "racist" are typically associated with the label of "far right", but who determined that, and why is it "right"? When on the other hand, being "pro Palestine", and generally as a result, being anti-jew, or anti-Israel, is typically associated with the "far left" If we are to ask the honest question, what is the difference between the two, how do we determine that they are not actually the same thing, ultimately making the delineation between left and right quite arbitrary at the very least. I feel like it's a legitimate question, and not something that requires a condescending responce.
What you’re describing is the horse shoe theory. Yes both the far left and the far left unify on being anti semitic and anti Israel. That doesn’t mean Nick is far right or that the far right isn’t racist and anti Semitic. Make sense?
@BlessGodStudios For sure, I totally get that. I think racist is racist regardless your ethnicity or your political leaning. The idea that black people can't be racist on account of being an "oppressed class" is just as ridiculous as the idea that a man can't have a say on abortion because he doesn't have a "V". I've never read or heard anything Nick has said and only heard of him fairly recently after going onto the Tim Pool channel, so I'm certainly not defending him. I do on the other hand, get tired of hearing other people of color calling everything "racism" whenever it suits their narrative, yet they are more than happy to call people like Larry Elder an "uncle tom" for espousing opposing view points, and thats not considered racist. It's an over reach in the same way as when a man is accused of SA because he asked out a woman who didn't like him.
"Love God, Love people"... Do you love your wife? Yes. Because of your love for your wife, do you WANT to know what she thinks and feels about things? Of course... What does God think and feel about [insert controversial topic].
The gospel can be offensive- but offending people because you put on a voice and mimicking someone you disagree with is not the same as taking offence for the gospel
I remember Tim Keller having some socialist leanings and questionable takes regarding "social justice" but I didn't know about the abortion stance. I found the article from a few years back and sadly surprised he didn't support banning abortion.
I've always interpreted 'winsome' as being able to present the Gospel in a way that draws people in who would typically have no interest in the Bible or church. It's not a virtue and I don't know who's claiming that it ever was... after hearing this guy's thoughts on Tim Keller, I'm kind of curious to hear his thoughts on Mark Driscoll.
A 20 min clip. I could be missing context, but I'm at minute 10:30 - Sounds like the guest has some interesting hot takes, but also a myopic understanding of why BLM came about. Separate from the organization, it's not a stretch to understand why the concept of BLM came about. I'd agree Carl Lentz was "late" to being antiracist. Sure. But to make it seem like, churches standing against racism when they have historically been silent and complicit as not noteworthy and Gospel-centered is dishonest intellectually & spiritually. Most of Western US Christianity is lazy about racism. Spiritually it is diabolical that racism is not called out as a sin. Carl was finally calling that out. (And it happened during a time where it was more acceptable to). Secondly, I can appreciate that Ruslan affirming that racism exists. Nevertheless, Ruslan downplaying it at a systemic level is a huge gap is in his awareness/education. There are dozens of books that now exist about how racism was written into the US constitution and into the laws of our society (e.g. The Color of Law, Stamped from the Beginning, The Color of Compromise). Ruslan had a missed opportunity to educate his middle-eastern american guest on a recurring social issue.
I think one of the things that gets missed in this whole conversation is how certain aspects of what we currently call "liberalism" used to be conservatism and vice versa. In a pagan society, you're the outlandish person (the liberal, if you may) for believing in monotheism. In Ronald Reagan's America, it was liberal to think black people had rights. That's why even when you, Ruslan, ask for a definition of kindness vs. politeness, there isn't a straight forward answer (the way he expects a straightforward "sin is sin" answer from these pastors). Definitions change. God was and is a loving, Holy judge. There IS winsome prewching that isn't easy believism. These things are not mutually exclusive.
1 Corinthians 13:1 NLT [1] If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
Then Torah also writes about seminal emissions at night and in Leviticus they are just unclean ceremonially not unclean morally. Then in fact they only had to bathe and be unclean until evening. It was not a moral uncleanness, the same when woman had a niddah she was ceremonially unclean but not morally unclean. Then also after woman gave birth she was ceremonially unclean not morally unclean. So the Torah doesn't state that as a sin but a person became unclean, but this is not moral uncleanness for when a man laid with his wife they were both ceremonially unclean afterwards.
Where does Tim Keller say Homosexuality isn't a sin? I'd love to look deeper into this. From what I've heard tom Tim in the past this hasn't been the case like in this video "What do Christians have against homosexuality? | Tim Keller at Columbia University", but I don't know if he changed anything over the years. Just looking for clarity.
Search “Tim Keller homosexuality” and the first video should be from “the veritas forum.” After some deliberating he calls it a sin but says it won’t send you to hell, thus leading many to be confused about his tip toeing around it
It's so sad and sinful, in the real sence that it misses the mark, to put Keller in the same category as Lenz. The former is one of the most Christ-like people the church has seen and the latter is an empty, attention seeking, celebrity wannabe. So bizarre that this person sounds so confident about those bold claims, but i guess confidence is a good disguise.
As much as I am not a fan of Hillsong I feel like the guest is off a bit. I struggled with SSA and know others who did as well they were pretty strict about it. I never felt they were liberal on it at all….I actually left the church because of that since I was more liberal at the time compared to my walk now and know someone who was counseled through it at Hillsong as well
Tim Keller being a liberal might be the dumbest thing I’ve heard this year. This man talking is clearly out of his depth and doesn’t really understand what he’s talking about. I know it’s impossible to fuck check people in real time but I think it’s important not to allow Miss characterisations of people who can’t defend themselves especially when they have just died.
When you go to the comments section and are relieved that you weren't the only one that noticed things were off. I stopped at 10:44. For myself, it's the statement of "feminized" gospel. What is a "masculinized" gospel? Use Scripture to support the concept. I thought the full gospel was just the gospel. The fullness of the gospel is neither masculine nor feminine. It's just the full gospel. We have fallen short, slave to sin, GOD in the flesh (Yeshua) laid HIS life down Himself (John 10:18), GOD the Father gave HIS only begotten Son, that whoever believes in HIM should not perish, but have eternal life (John 3:16). The person who believes is no longer condemned (John 3:18), and no longer slave to sin (Rom 6:6), now free, producing the fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). The person "who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God" (John 3:21).
Bro, is painting with such a broad brush here. Also, his beef with being winsome, polite and kindness, however he defines it, seems as though he isn't very familiar with Jesus' approach (e.g., a bruised reed, He will not break...) which was to take a soft approach for unbelievers and a harsh tone for the religious elite. I've watched a lot of Tim and read most of his books, calling Tim a liberal Christian as a pejorative is WILD....
This was a great conversation! Please people do not be deceived! If you are mad about the point that were made, just know God will judge all there things. Open up the word and pray for understanding.
No fr he slick sneak dissing him 😂 but idk if ruslan knows the genealogy disperse after the Tower of Babel and why each specific ethnic/race was in thier own part of the world until Europeans started to the exploration
This is the type of racism that still exists 👆. This alluding that whites are superior for bringing “civilization” everywhere. Just say you think non whites are inferior and be direct. I want the racist of the 90’s back.
@@BlessGodStudios what was racist about what I said ? I never said anything about whites being superior all I said there’s no coincidence on why god dispersed each distinct peoples to they’re part of the world after the Tower of Babel
Ok, answer simply. What did you mean by “until Europeans started exploration” What it sounds like is the world was uncivilized and barbaric until the good old whites fixed it. Maybe I misread but this common in the Nick Fuentes talking point.
@ yes I wasn’t specific but is kinda correlated to the Daniel 12 prophecy of “knowledge will increase and people will go to and fro “ we now live in a time and age of where elites once again like in the time of Tower of Babel want to bring us all together under one world government and the only reason I said until European exploration was because that was the start of the time when people really started going to and fro around the globe for the better or worse and no I’m not saying they civilized barbarians cause Europeans were barbarians themselves before Christianity and no I’m not saying that Daniel 12 prophecy applies literally to European exploration but to the age we are in now
The highest amount of Irony of him referring to others as being taken over by the "spirit of the age" while basing fidelity entirely on conservative talking points is insane.
The fact we give time & energy to conversations like this to me is starting to get old real fast. Had to stop the podcast. Why is it we feel the need to point out all the logs in evergone else’s eyes & refuse to call out our own? Not speaking to you Ruslan. But I’m 16:47 into this convo & your guest has only pointed at others in a way to point out flaws in belief, mocking, etc, with some sprinkled truths in there. IMO this isn’t helpful & feeds the same kind of thing in other believers. Merry Christmas y’all
I thought it was a good conversation. I hope he has receipts on Tim Keller. Overall, it seemed like a good conversation between Ruslan and the other guy.
Then I see but marriage is regulated breeding, it has to do with the commitment rather than just some wedding ceremony. Then wedding ceremonies can be very subjective depending on the culture a person is in. Then I saw a ancient marriage contract in Aramaic that was with a couple who were Egyptian Jews. Then the fact in ancient Israel betrothal was marriage by law but not by consummation so before a wedding feast. See Jacob had a wedding feast and right after he was led to the bedroom, but the first time it turned out to be Leah, then eventually he had another and it turned out to be Rachel the one he intended to marry in the first place. See in sense Rachel was betrothed to Jacob so that is the idea of that. However if another man laid with a woman betrothed to another man he was guilty of commiting adultery even before a wedding feast. So adultery is literally a type of theft, taking another man's woman, then coveting another man's wife is desiring another man's wife or who is betrothed to another man.
i would say just keep it the way God sees it, One body the Church is the Bride one Bride like Adam and Eve, cling to your Wife, people in the Old testament had multiple wife but God did not say do that men did
Funny, I disagree on how he spoke about our Australian government, however on this video I do agree with him.... beside Tim Keller, however I haven't heard a Tim sermon, just read his books. Also I am guessing, as here in Aus our two parties are called Labor and Liberal. Do I am wondering if his strong use of the word liberal is him showing disdain for that party...... which is the conservative party in Aus
I’m Australia and he is 100% accurate about our government. His church was the only church that spoke against the mandates and government overreach. He refused to not let in unjabbed people into his church and never closed during lockdowns.
This is meant to be a description not a prescription. The Torah is the awareness of sin, but a man having more than one wife at a time was not adulterty nor sin according to the Torah. So your view Rusian is grounded in tradition and not scripture, for if what you teach was the truth then it would have been mentioned in the Torah. So it is not ideal but it wasn't a sin for them, they also laid with cocubines also. People don't care about perserving tribal legacy as the ancient Israelis. This is descriptive not perscriptive, but it was not a sin back then so it can't be described objectively as a sin for all ages. The idea that sex is a covenant between one man and one woman only is moral revisionism, it is not the reality of how things were. So I go by the totality of things the past, the present and the future, in the past it was not a sin. So if this was always the case the it would contain a commandment banning it in the Torah and not regulating it. So I disagree with your subjective position on this matter for it is tradition and not scripture. However you want to generalize things as sins instead of specify what they are, it is possible that the thing can be a sin now but was not always a sin before.
What research is Ruslan referring to when he says there is no IQ difference? Its almost as disingenuous as saying there are no physical differences between races. Its all controlled by genetics there isnt a reason to feel offended by it. We all have our strengths and weaknesses.
This gentleman is speaking facts and this is coming from someone that really liked Carl's preaching a lot. We have to be able to call sin for what it is.
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He really put Carl Lentz and Tim Keller in the same box. 🤦🏻♂️
This guy really has Protestants in shambles 😂😂
Truth cuts deeeeeep.
Why are some of us smashing on Ruslan? Every point this guy brought up Ruslan has agreed with throughout his career. He is very conservative and speaks out on these issues frequently.
Ruslan only gave helpful push back on how aggressive certain people’s liberalism is (Tim Keller), and made a point to say that the Right has anti-Christian problems as well.
Seems pretty dang fair, especially for a dude who is just trying to get to the truth
Thank you!
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@@TJMTBChannel haters gon hate 🤷🏽♂️
Got Character of Carl Lentz and Tim Keller Off
I'm a conservative republican here who has happened to listen to a lot of Tim Keller.
Tim has stated in many of his sermons that socialism does NOT work and has many flaws. And Tim has stated in multiple sermons that marriage should be between a man and woman. Tim wasn't afraid of these concepts/topics, and was willing to discuss not just the cons, but also the pros. Where these topics got things wrong, but as well as where they got things right.
Tim was not perfect (like the rest of us), but so many people take quotes out of context from him and smear this man's name. This smearing is done by people who have clearly not taken the time to actually listen to even a fraction of his full sermons. It's rather sad and disappointing to hear so many people parroting the same Tim Keller talking points.
Praying that everyone who chooses to smear the name of another individual actually takes the time to consider just how much of that individuals work they have truly spent time with. Additionally, ask yourself if you truly know that individuals beliefs or if you're just assuming you know based off of small quotes that have been taken from a 45min sermon or a 200+ page book.
I listened to his Identity conference (targeted towards the conversation of homosexuality) and he literally says our identity should be in Christ, not in our sexuality. I don't know how we get from there to "he's a liberal who doesn't want us to know what sin is", and if people take long to understand what he's saying, it doesn't make what he's saying fraudulent. It's a question of the comprehension skills of the listener. Not everyone needs to have the same preaching style.
Did he ever say Homosexuality was “sin” in a public forum?
Tim Keller was a wonderful teacher and has helped me understand so many biblical truths and gain a deep sense of inner healing. I don’t personally think he should be categorized with these other people who have made mistakes. It’s weird
@@candacedudley8083 Don't forget that we ought to look at our teachers as servants and not infallible beings they are not Jesus. In other words the Lord can use a teacher as a vessel of truth for others to hear, but that same teacher can also step outside of the Holy Spirit and speak or preach things that are outside of God's will. Jesus taught us. Matthew 7:21-23 not everyone who is doing for God is walking with God. Test everything know the Bible for yourself so you can see when a teacher steps outside of the the realm of God's word and into His own opinions and feelings about things.
He makes some good points, then follows it with something questionable.. over and over 😅
Yea I thought he was all over the place
To say Tim Keller is a liberal is a wild claim!
It’s not a wild claim actually. Many people feel that way and are quite justified based on the things he has said about racism, injustice, and other social/political ideologies over the last several years before his passing.
@ look at the case he was making about the 4 things Christian’s needed to stand for moving into the future. Not liberal at all. Calling him liberal is pretty ridiculous. Just cause so called conservatives are afraid to even address these issues and Keller was not.
Both sides of the political spectrum criticized him because he recognized the valid and biblical concerns of each side while at the same time pointing out their mistakes.
@Armedwithamindtx true, but i think a lot try to say that refusing to change stance on a given issue, such as unborn ending, and get told were 'holding back progress'.
Progress toward . . . Sin is not something progress should be made
@@julioenriquej so he's a moderate??? 🤣
Tim Keller: liberal? I need some hard proof here. I listen to plenty of Tim Keller sermons & have yet to hear anything related to liberalism.
How did Tim draw people away from sanctification? 16:06
Yeah I'm not convinced by what the guy in the interview said either. Just because Keller doesn't think that the Bible gives us a government model (which it doesn't) or that the government shouldn't make abortion illegal (a questionable stance), that makes him raging liberal? You're gonna need more than that...
Yes please explain this.
Just look up Tim Keller social justice Marxism you’ll find plenty of
Him and Russell Moore are lifelong democrats
This is a blender of good points, slightly bias points, polar bias points, back to good food for thought. What a ride! Overall, just appreciative these conversations exists to illuminate all the ideas that are driving our society.
"bad theology creates a bad lifestyle..." yup. I would argue it's already infected the majority of western Christianity.
This person's mischaracterization of Tim Keller, whom I know, makes me question his characterization of Carl Lenz, whom I don't know.
@@cyuper I agree
@cyuper are you in disagreement with his conclusions about Tim Keller, or you saying what he has said about Tim Keller's position on the subjects mention are just not true?
Did you know him personally? I've appreciated a lot of his earlier teachings, but he also made some concerning statements towards the end of his life.
yea, hes wrong on Keller. Keller could answer those questions straight and still have a graceful response that points to Jesus and not JUST condemnation. I have always been leary of Lentz and glad he has gotten help and seems to be moving forward, but his penchant for the spotlight and publicity is very disconcerting.
hes definitely oversimplifying. my opinion is Ruslan you should have vetted this dude a bit more.
His statement about Keller come from Megan Basham's book: Shepherds for Sale. It is not his personal opinion. He is reiterating her research.
He's not wrong about the feminization of the church. This has been pervasive for the last 2 decades. It's a result of the feminization of men in the culture and this culture being brought into the church. This is why churches today emphasize emotions over Scripture. So everyone is taught that you need to be so gentle with everyone so they don't get offended by truth or by Scripture. Obviously, discretion and love are necessary depending on the situation, however this should not be at the expense of truth.
I’d be curious to see how many times the words “liberal” and “conservative” are mentioned in the Bible. So many of these Political Pastors scream about getting back to the scriptures yet all they talk about is liberal this, conservative that. The Right, the Left, etc. Their problem is that they think their talking points don’t apply to them…
No, Tim keller hate will not be tolerated. Have you listened to his sermons, he is not a liberal and Tim doesn’t believe homosexuality isn’t a sin
Tim Keller pushed Social Justice repackaged as the Gospel.
He is liberal. Just not entirely leftist. There is a difference, but he certainly became more and more liberal over the last several years before he passed.
@@DiademStudios9I’d say that the right became more right more than Tim becoming more left.
@@johnwwanpolitically and socially, its better for the right to become more right than for Tim to become more left. And to be clear, Tim went more left than you are admitting. It was not just one additional leftist idea. He went left on a variety of social and political issues.
@ Can you explain further? I know he was a registered Democrat, but he explained that as it was because Republicans had no shot in NY so he chose to try to affect the only party that mattered. The only real issue I see is the one mentioned in this video of a person going 4 years and not knowing about the church’s stance on abortion… but at the same time, I don’t believe in the church should be as political as much of it is because Jesus intentionally abstained from the political systems of his day.
Basham’s book has done more harm than good it seems. To even put Keller and Ortlund in the “intellectual left” camp is just hypergeneralizing them just because they have a nuanced view.
I know plenty of conservatives that struggle with outlawing abortion because of the concern of dangerous illegal abortions. It’s a legitimate concern. I still think it should be illegal, but it doesn’t mean others aren’t conservative enough.
Ruslan - why are you saying the cop shooting the lady is racism? How do you know that? Why isn't the motivation sexism or classism? How do you know its race? And, so what's the point of bringing it up?
Some people can't see a christian share a concern with liberals without labeling them liberals, the enemy also takes advantage of this. I fear this man is over-correcting to the opposite side. I have listened to hundreds of Keller's sermons and he did not fear calling a sin out, he also frequently encouraged people to meditate on the word.
Former Hillsong Atteendee here this man is lying or this may be his lived expereince. Sin and repentance where taught. Additionally he sounds upset specifically at Carl Lentz it looks like he got the treatment or the recognition he yearned for.
@@chiph5043 what’s your personal view of Carl Lentz ?
Former attendee and volunteer here and I disagree. I remember being told by leaders not to answer these hard questions. They knew what the Bible taught but were a bit ashamed about it cause at the core of it, they just really wanted to please the world. Sin, holiness, sanctification and repentance were barely mentioned from the pulpit. Prosperity and living your best life now were the main focus.
Same here, my wife and I went to a Hillsong church here in Phoenix for a few years and they always talked about sin. Unfortunate the generalization of the entire organization based on his lived experience
I’m behind what he says about Islam but my guy struggled to be coherent otherwise.
This man is completely wrong. Carl has spoken up for pro-life, quoting Psalm 139. In the church, and Hillsong has have their teaching pastors break down and spoke about Sin and repentance.
“I wanna know your story” cuz we know secular pundits are gonna bring up 🍇 or mothers health which even we put in a different category.
Quoting a psalm that can be used to support pro life is very different to rebuking abortion. They need to not be so seeker friendly by tip towing around important issues. Abortion is murder and we shouldn’t be afraid to say it in church.
I never comment on videos but no matter how "theologically" sound someone is, when they are mimicking and not being respectful of others (which this guy is) .... out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. He seems a bit hurt in some way and its not appearing loving. Or displaying any other fruits of the spirit tbh!
Colossians 4:6 NASB
Your speech must always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.
I feel conflicted about what he said about Hillsong having liberal values, only because I did go to their leadership college and served in the church for 3 years. I consider myself a very conservative person both in values, theology and politics and never heard any of this stuff that this dude was explaining. Now this could have been this man’s individual experience, but I experienced the opposite of this. Leadership was very open in talking about sin and how the scriptures talk about the graveness of sin. This just seems inaccurate to me.
the criticism is not that they dont believe in sin or its graveness. Its that they dont preach it in church (not never, but mostly) quote unquote "because we need to reach sinners and the lost". And on all major cultural issues, Hillsong is political in its speech not only in public but also in church.
Churches like Hillsong are great at evangelism and filling stadiums, but dare I say "terrible at discipleship". Both are equally important.
@@lingonberry6500but my issue is that wasn’t my experience personally. I heard every message every Sunday for a few years and never noticed a “holding back the punch” on the discussion of sin ever. I would have been deeply bothered by it too if I had.
Not that there aren’t problems with the church, but I’m just saying that I never noticed that as ever being one during my time there.
@@jackstone7731 Hillsong Chruch care more about Hollywood then they do Jesus
Current Hillsong Sydney attendant here; literally 2 weeks ago we had one of our pastor’s preach on sin and the black and white relationship with grace. Such a powerful message leading up to Christmas, if interested please look up Pastor Robert Ferguson or Pastor Hayden Nelson. They both recently spoke on sin at our main campus and are quite clear on what the bible and Jesus says about sin. Maybe this man speaking may have experienced a different story and that is definitely worth placing value, but I can confirm Hillsong Church has changed from the toxic culture days and are really invested to building strong church communities that emphasise the importance of sound doctrine and loving our neighbours☺️.
Kind = is a selfless act
Nice = selfish act
Being nice is a self-centered behavior that only comes with the intent of pleasing others. We are only nice in order for people to like us. In comparison, kindness is selfless, acting on the best interest of others. It’s selfish and self serving.
A kind person doesn’t conform but acts in love based on their genuine love for their people. A kind person will tell someone what they need to here and not what they want to here out of love and the desire to see them better themselves.
Sedra is 100% correct. The word nice comes from the Latin word nescius, which means "ignorant".
I can’t speak to his claims about Hillsong or Carl. His take on the seeker sensitive’s goal to liberalize Christianity is a vast oversimplification. The goal was contextualization. The movement had its flaws for sure. But the leaders were not attempting to liberalize Christianity.
Please take this advice Ruslan
Hey, can you tell me what exactly the advice is that you want him to take?
@ don’t use liberal methods
@ “liberal methods” like the example of “winsome” that Ruslan used? How to you feel the methods are too liberal
If being “kind” and “gentle” is a “liberal method” you need to get your checked IMMEDIATELY
@@ChristsWorld Ruslan was agreeing to everything he said ????? What are you talking about ?
The fact that he quotes Meghan Bashan in his justification of calling Tim Keller a liberal is a red flag for me. I’ve listened to and read Tim Kellers books for 15 years now and would never describe him as a liberal. Keller was a nuanced and careful thinker and not everybody appreciates that. So sometimes it’s just easier to call someone a liberal rather than truly understand what they’re trying to say. Just a thought
Keller was a lifelong democrat
Just watched a review of Meghan Bashan's book and there are big critiques that lessen her credibility. Misquotations and mischaracterisations are common in her Shepperds for sale book.
Weird to hear this guy conflating liberalism, progressivism and leftism. Leftism pertains to economic policy and a way of organizing government. You should take political compass test.
Then defending racism is wild.
I understand that there is racism on the far right, I see it & no one could deny that especially with people like Nick Fuentes as you said. However I will say, maybe due to the racism on the far right that has led to this but nowadays you can’t just say racism on far right. I’m a Hispanic male & you could clearly see racism on the left for white people, Asian people a lot of times & any other group as well when they speak to us as some kind of victims. A lot of times if not most the left really only defends black people & seems clearly to me just virtual signaling. So all I’m saying is that I don’t like that when we say racism all we think about is the right, when it’s on both sides now in some way. But condemn it all the same of course! God bless!
inching towards radicalism - gentleness is a necessity
Where does Tim Keller claim that homosexuality isn’t a sin? Is there a source available?
He calls it a sin but says it won’t send you to hell, so many claim he muddied the waters and provided confusion. Search “Tim Keller homosexuality veritas forum”
Can always tell the people who are more against something than they are for something. The Tim Keller take was super inaccurate and disrespectful, straight Instagram theology right here. And what’s funny is his church looks like a rock concert and not sacred lol 🤔
This is why the protestant church is watching people go to apostolic churches. The bible isn't ALL about love. There are things that may come off as dark to some but need to be taught nonetheless
It is all about Love. But it’s not Love without truth. Because we need to know what to have Faith in, and to have judgment and good. And it’s not without purpose and consequence, because we need the aim of life, so we can have rest in that Hope.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
That Love is up and down every Scripture. It’s ALL about that.
@@chickenmonger123I agree, that’s a huge difference that needs to be identified more. If it’s focused on “Bible isn’t all about love” then it comes off as harsh and radical.
Well said..
Visited this guy’s Instagram after watching this and it seems he’s A LOT more concerned with politics than he is with spreading the ACTUAL gospel and pointing people to repentance and salvation. :/
He has not critically read or engaged with Keller. Keller had such a beautiful and poignant Christology that he looked at cultural and political issues through the lens of the Gospel of Jesus. Keller truly believed that the Gospel is a scalpel that first brings healing through identity then change (see Making Sense of God and How to Reach the West Again). This guy on the other hand uses the Bible to fit his politics and cultural views (neomoralism and fundamentalism) then throws around blanket terms like “liberal” and “liberalism” to defend his position.
This is a bit odd considering one of their most popular songs “What a beautiful name” mentions sin. Is there then more flexibility in song lyrics over preaching and teaching?
That is what was most sneaky and confusing about Hillsong. On paper and even in their lyrics, they sound very orthodox and Bible based in their beliefs. But then when you hear their prosperity gospel & Word of Faith preaching and the fruit of the leader’s lives you can see something was incredibly wrong. It was this weird confusing dynamic combined with the teaching to touch not God’s anointed and never ever judge (even though the Bible tells us to judge rightly and discern like the Bereans) that trapped us there for so long.
@@genevieverogers8435There’s nothing Orthodox about their music or lyrics. It’s just Biblical praise and worship.
@ I’m not meaning orthodox as in Russian/Greek Orthodox. I mean historic/Biblical/traditional Protestant Christianity.
This man (respectfully) loves the sound of his voice... Oh my days 😭
My brotha (the guest) need to ease of Fox News and etc to get back into the Word. I can always tell when fam m is getting too deep into politics when all I hears is political labeling mostly condemning the left while staying silent about the right…. Especially on a biblical podcast.
I’m glad Rus finally mentioned that right has racists as well. The guest seems to be very pushy on the “left winged” political talk stuff when this is not a show rooted in politics. He was giving the impression that the “right” is righteous when only Christ is. Talk like that will stifle the relationships to share the Gospel with the lost…. It definitely gave that impression when the guest became heightened on “winsome” Christianity and almost said you shouldn’t be kind, which is literally a fruit of the Spirit. As much as a person shouldn’t want to be a “winsome” Christian they also should not want to be the complete opposite. Dude‘s mind about to be BLOWN when he discovers in scripture it’s God kindness that lead men to repentance 😅..
Keep up the good work Rus, you reaching the left & right for the Kingdom
9:40 I am shouting at the top of my lungs! He nailed it, I gotta find out who this guy is! 🔥✝️🔥✝️
Andrew Sedra - lead pastor of Echo Church in Australia
@ 😉👍🏽🙏🏽🙌🏽✝️
Comment section so much hate on Andrew Sedra.. I can understand that most Christian’s aren’t use to a preacher who speaks with conviction. Odd concept these days. Hence the seeker sensitive movement being popular
This dude is wild. Repeated himself about 4x on Hillsong's stance on racism. Dude seems stuck in a culture war. He gives off 'guy who wants to say the thing' vibes. He wants to say the thing for bravado's sake and not for the lost's sake.
Homie is annoying with cutting people off. Homie is either very prideful and thinks his point of view is more important than others or he has ADHD.
Either way he looks super arrogant and pompous.
This guy is just to black and white. And talks like he knows everything. Way too many generalisations. Couldn't give a definition of kindness, outside his talking points.
So he’s just gonna keep talking over Ruslan and not allow him to actually ask questions 😟
this was an great conversation and extremely needed in the Body of Christ rn.
Spot on with his talk on Tim Keller here. For those who disagree, look at what he said and did with Francis Collins as a starting point and what collins said and more importantly did. It’s one thing to have a friend who does massive , massive evil. It’s another thing to put that friend (Collins) as an example of Christian virtue. But when you deny that human life doesn’t begin at conception it validates doing anything you want to that little human life. Classic human rights abuse tactic- just deny their humanity first.
This guy just loves to talk. It’s very hard for Rusland to even put a few words in. He is not listening to him he is thinking what he will say next. “He wasn’t polite” 😀 when someone is interviewing you, wait for the host to ask you a question, don’t ran over him with your answers. Just my opinion. Very hard to listen to people like this.
When love is the emphasis, it’s feminist Christianity? “For God so “loved”…I’m don’t agree with this…further, “Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church…” Love is the foundation of the gospel!
This guy is awesome! Great conversation! God bless!
I think maybe being truly winsome and polite we could call having “gentleness” like the fruit of the spirit.
Timothy Keller - “I know abortion is a sin, but the Bible doesn’t tell me the best political practice policy to decrease or end abortion in this country….” YIKES
Well, this was mixed bag...
MLK jr was super liberal when it came to taxation! These claims cannot stand.
Quoting Megan Basham’s Shepherds for Sale makes me really question this guys reasoning ability…
“moral failure” something they put in their applications for college… regarding sin..
Hey bro, that reminds me of Joshua 9, when Joshua makes an error in judgement that hinders Israel. Joshua was trying to be nice, but did not consult with God FIRST, so he made a treaty with people they were supposed to go to war with.
Hey Ruslan. He was not a hillsong preacher.
Who Sedra?
Question is, what is the "left" or "right"? If Nick is considered "far right", but he espouses sentiments commonly expressed by the "far left", such as anti-jewish ideologies, then what exactly makes him "right wing"?
He self identifies as right wing. Thats what. Not super complicated.
To pretend racism only exists on the left is utterly asinine.
@BlessGodStudios I understand what you're saying, but perhaps it's more complicated that what we give it credit for. Sure, he refers to himself as far right, but that's not really the question I posited. Additionally, while it may not have been the intention to insinuate such, no where in my question did I suggest that racism is only on one side. The intention of the thought is more focused on what defines what is right or left, and to what degree? Clearly most accusations of being "racist" are typically associated with the label of "far right", but who determined that, and why is it "right"? When on the other hand, being "pro Palestine", and generally as a result, being anti-jew, or anti-Israel, is typically associated with the "far left" If we are to ask the honest question, what is the difference between the two, how do we determine that they are not actually the same thing, ultimately making the delineation between left and right quite arbitrary at the very least. I feel like it's a legitimate question, and not something that requires a condescending responce.
What you’re describing is the horse shoe theory. Yes both the far left and the far left unify on being anti semitic and anti Israel. That doesn’t mean Nick is far right or that the far right isn’t racist and anti Semitic. Make sense?
@BlessGodStudios For sure, I totally get that. I think racist is racist regardless your ethnicity or your political leaning. The idea that black people can't be racist on account of being an "oppressed class" is just as ridiculous as the idea that a man can't have a say on abortion because he doesn't have a "V". I've never read or heard anything Nick has said and only heard of him fairly recently after going onto the Tim Pool channel, so I'm certainly not defending him. I do on the other hand, get tired of hearing other people of color calling everything "racism" whenever it suits their narrative, yet they are more than happy to call people like Larry Elder an "uncle tom" for espousing opposing view points, and thats not considered racist. It's an over reach in the same way as when a man is accused of SA because he asked out a woman who didn't like him.
9.25 Smaaaaashed it brother. Absolutely.
Homie doesn’t know what he’s talking about
How so?
In terms of what?
You don't know what you are talking about sir!
@@daff1086 to name one: his take on Tim Keller is VERY off and it’s clear he didn’t do his own personal research.
@@needaladyfriend1 to name one: his take on Tim Keller is VERY off and it’s clear he didn’t do his own personal research.
"Love God, Love people"... Do you love your wife? Yes. Because of your love for your wife, do you WANT to know what she thinks and feels about things? Of course... What does God think and feel about [insert controversial topic].
The gospel can be offensive- but offending people because you put on a voice and mimicking someone you disagree with is not the same as taking offence for the gospel
I remember Tim Keller having some socialist leanings and questionable takes regarding "social justice" but I didn't know about the abortion stance. I found the article from a few years back and sadly surprised he didn't support banning abortion.
I've always interpreted 'winsome' as being able to present the Gospel in a way that draws people in who would typically have no interest in the Bible or church. It's not a virtue and I don't know who's claiming that it ever was... after hearing this guy's thoughts on Tim Keller, I'm kind of curious to hear his thoughts on Mark Driscoll.
A 20 min clip. I could be missing context, but I'm at minute 10:30 - Sounds like the guest has some interesting hot takes, but also a myopic understanding of why BLM came about. Separate from the organization, it's not a stretch to understand why the concept of BLM came about. I'd agree Carl Lentz was "late" to being antiracist. Sure. But to make it seem like, churches standing against racism when they have historically been silent and complicit as not noteworthy and Gospel-centered is dishonest intellectually & spiritually. Most of Western US Christianity is lazy about racism. Spiritually it is diabolical that racism is not called out as a sin. Carl was finally calling that out. (And it happened during a time where it was more acceptable to). Secondly, I can appreciate that Ruslan affirming that racism exists. Nevertheless, Ruslan downplaying it at a systemic level is a huge gap is in his awareness/education. There are dozens of books that now exist about how racism was written into the US constitution and into the laws of our society (e.g. The Color of Law, Stamped from the Beginning, The Color of Compromise). Ruslan had a missed opportunity to educate his middle-eastern american guest on a recurring social issue.
I think one of the things that gets missed in this whole conversation is how certain aspects of what we currently call "liberalism" used to be conservatism and vice versa. In a pagan society, you're the outlandish person (the liberal, if you may) for believing in monotheism. In Ronald Reagan's America, it was liberal to think black people had rights.
That's why even when you, Ruslan, ask for a definition of kindness vs. politeness, there isn't a straight forward answer (the way he expects a straightforward "sin is sin" answer from these pastors). Definitions change. God was and is a loving, Holy judge. There IS winsome prewching that isn't easy believism. These things are not mutually exclusive.
Well done big R, good convo that was a little hard to listen to
So Racism is a left wing issue but not a American sin issue 🤦🏿♂️...
Racism is a human-sin problem.
But the anti-Racism movement in the West has philosophical roots in the divisive intersectional method of Marxism.
1 Corinthians 13:1 NLT
[1] If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
Then Torah also writes about seminal emissions at night and in Leviticus they are just unclean ceremonially not unclean morally. Then in fact they only had to bathe and be unclean until evening. It was not a moral uncleanness, the same when woman had a niddah she was ceremonially unclean but not morally unclean. Then also after woman gave birth she was ceremonially unclean not morally unclean. So the Torah doesn't state that as a sin but a person became unclean, but this is not moral uncleanness for when a man laid with his wife they were both ceremonially unclean afterwards.
Can this guy provide sources and references for his claims that Tim Keller was a liberal pastor????
So Tim Keller being against racism makes him a liberal?? I’ve never seen him back down from sin
Where does Tim Keller say Homosexuality isn't a sin? I'd love to look deeper into this. From what I've heard tom Tim in the past this hasn't been the case like in this video "What do Christians have against homosexuality? | Tim Keller at Columbia University", but I don't know if he changed anything over the years. Just looking for clarity.
Search “Tim Keller homosexuality” and the first video should be from “the veritas forum.”
After some deliberating he calls it a sin but says it won’t send you to hell, thus leading many to be confused about his tip toeing around it
I don’t really comment on these types of conversations but this dude is weird. I was following along until he started going all over the place.
Guess thats all i saw.. not coming to patron.. you tube made this channel keep it here bro.
8:35 evolutionary psychology which goes back to the left 😂😂😂 snuck that in there, bravo!🔥😂
It's so sad and sinful, in the real sence that it misses the mark, to put Keller in the same category as Lenz. The former is one of the most Christ-like people the church has seen and the latter is an empty, attention seeking, celebrity wannabe. So bizarre that this person sounds so confident about those bold claims, but i guess confidence is a good disguise.
As much as I am not a fan of Hillsong I feel like the guest is off a bit. I struggled with SSA and know others who did as well they were pretty strict about it. I never felt they were liberal on it at all….I actually left the church because of that since I was more liberal at the time compared to my walk now and know someone who was counseled through it at Hillsong as well
Tim Keller being a liberal might be the dumbest thing I’ve heard this year. This man talking is clearly out of his depth and doesn’t really understand what he’s talking about. I know it’s impossible to fuck check people in real time but I think it’s important not to allow Miss characterisations of people who can’t defend themselves especially when they have just died.
When you go to the comments section and are relieved that you weren't the only one that noticed things were off. I stopped at 10:44. For myself, it's the statement of "feminized" gospel. What is a "masculinized" gospel? Use Scripture to support the concept. I thought the full gospel was just the gospel. The fullness of the gospel is neither masculine nor feminine. It's just the full gospel. We have fallen short, slave to sin, GOD in the flesh (Yeshua) laid HIS life down Himself (John 10:18), GOD the Father gave HIS only begotten Son, that whoever believes in HIM should not perish, but have eternal life (John 3:16). The person who believes is no longer condemned (John 3:18), and no longer slave to sin (Rom 6:6), now free, producing the fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). The person "who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God" (John 3:21).
Bro, is painting with such a broad brush here. Also, his beef with being winsome, polite and kindness, however he defines it, seems as though he isn't very familiar with Jesus' approach (e.g., a bruised reed, He will not break...) which was to take a soft approach for unbelievers and a harsh tone for the religious elite.
I've watched a lot of Tim and read most of his books, calling Tim a liberal Christian as a pejorative is WILD....
Whats this pastors name?
@@taebrown384 Andrew Sedra
@ many thanks 🙏
Has someone verified this mention of a "code" about speaking on sin?
This was a great conversation! Please people do not be deceived! If you are mad about the point that were made, just know God will judge all there things. Open up the word and pray for understanding.
He’s partly talking to Ruslan
No fr he slick sneak dissing him 😂 but idk if ruslan knows the genealogy disperse after the Tower of Babel and why each specific ethnic/race was in thier own part of the world until Europeans started to the exploration
This is the type of racism that still exists 👆. This alluding that whites are superior for bringing “civilization” everywhere. Just say you think non whites are inferior and be direct. I want the racist of the 90’s back.
@@BlessGodStudios what was racist about what I said ? I never said anything about whites being superior all I said there’s no coincidence on why god dispersed each distinct peoples to they’re part of the world after the Tower of Babel
Ok, answer simply. What did you mean by “until Europeans started exploration”
What it sounds like is the world was uncivilized and barbaric until the good old whites fixed it. Maybe I misread but this common in the Nick Fuentes talking point.
@ yes I wasn’t specific but is kinda correlated to the Daniel 12 prophecy of “knowledge will increase and people will go to and fro “ we now live in a time and age of where elites once again like in the time of Tower of Babel want to bring us all together under one world government and the only reason I said until European exploration was because that was the start of the time when people really started going to and fro around the globe for the better or worse and no I’m not saying they civilized barbarians cause Europeans were barbarians themselves before Christianity and no I’m not saying that Daniel 12 prophecy applies literally to European exploration but to the age we are in now
The highest amount of Irony of him referring to others as being taken over by the "spirit of the age" while basing fidelity entirely on conservative talking points is insane.
I’ll never understand this war against winsomeness.
The fact we give time & energy to conversations like this to me is starting to get old real fast. Had to stop the podcast. Why is it we feel the need to point out all the logs in evergone else’s eyes & refuse to call out our own? Not speaking to you Ruslan. But I’m 16:47 into this convo & your guest has only pointed at others in a way to point out flaws in belief, mocking, etc, with some sprinkled truths in there. IMO this isn’t helpful & feeds the same kind of thing in other believers. Merry Christmas y’all
I thought it was a good conversation. I hope he has receipts on Tim Keller. Overall, it seemed like a good conversation between Ruslan and the other guy.
Controversial take? Theologically Conservative pastors have been saying that for almost 10 years.
Racism is on both sides why wouldn't you just say that. Disappointing he dies this to often
Didn’t I say racism is on both sides?
How about God matters
Then I see but marriage is regulated breeding, it has to do with the commitment rather than just some wedding ceremony. Then wedding ceremonies can be very subjective depending on the culture a person is in. Then I saw a ancient marriage contract in Aramaic that was with a couple who were Egyptian Jews. Then the fact in ancient Israel betrothal was marriage by law but not by consummation so before a wedding feast. See Jacob had a wedding feast and right after he was led to the bedroom, but the first time it turned out to be Leah, then eventually he had another and it turned out to be Rachel the one he intended to marry in the first place. See in sense Rachel was betrothed to Jacob so that is the idea of that. However if another man laid with a woman betrothed to another man he was guilty of commiting adultery even before a wedding feast. So adultery is literally a type of theft, taking another man's woman, then coveting another man's wife is desiring another man's wife or who is betrothed to another man.
i would say just keep it the way God sees it, One body the Church is the Bride one Bride like Adam and Eve, cling to your Wife, people in the Old testament had multiple wife but God did not say do that men did
Good stuff, but this guy talks 2 much. Seems talk quicker then he listens , and a lot of repeating himself.
Funny, I disagree on how he spoke about our Australian government, however on this video I do agree with him.... beside Tim Keller, however I haven't heard a Tim sermon, just read his books.
Also I am guessing, as here in Aus our two parties are called Labor and Liberal. Do I am wondering if his strong use of the word liberal is him showing disdain for that party...... which is the conservative party in Aus
I’m Australia and he is 100% accurate about our government. His church was the only church that spoke against the mandates and government overreach. He refused to not let in unjabbed people into his church and never closed during lockdowns.
This is meant to be a description not a prescription. The Torah is the awareness of sin, but a man having more than one wife at a time was not adulterty nor sin according to the Torah. So your view Rusian is grounded in tradition and not scripture, for if what you teach was the truth then it would have been mentioned in the Torah. So it is not ideal but it wasn't a sin for them, they also laid with cocubines also. People don't care about perserving tribal legacy as the ancient Israelis. This is descriptive not perscriptive, but it was not a sin back then so it can't be described objectively as a sin for all ages. The idea that sex is a covenant between one man and one woman only is moral revisionism, it is not the reality of how things were. So I go by the totality of things the past, the present and the future, in the past it was not a sin. So if this was always the case the it would contain a commandment banning it in the Torah and not regulating it. So I disagree with your subjective position on this matter for it is tradition and not scripture. However you want to generalize things as sins instead of specify what they are, it is possible that the thing can be a sin now but was not always a sin before.
What research is Ruslan referring to when he says there is no IQ difference? Its almost as disingenuous as saying there are no physical differences between races. Its all controlled by genetics there isnt a reason to feel offended by it. We all have our strengths and weaknesses.
This gentleman is speaking facts and this is coming from someone that really liked Carl's preaching a lot. We have to be able to call sin for what it is.
Don’t know about this guy, very extreme and idk if it’s me but he’s speaking from a hurt position