3 Mysterious Portraits Send Art Detectives Across The Globe | Fake Or Fortune | Perspective

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  • The team choose three of the most promising portraits to investigate further. This includes a portrait of a child, believed to be by prized modern artist Willem de Kooning; a portrait of a young lady, attributed to 18th-century society painter Philip Mercier; and a portrait of a formidable looking man, said to be by 19th-century German master Adolph von Menzel.
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  • @SchlichteToven
    @SchlichteToven ปีที่แล้ว +19

    That older couple with the painting of the 1700s woman are so cute. They're interested in the subject of the painting as a person - "she's somebody's daughter" - so sweet!

  • @annamo9354
    @annamo9354 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    The fact that no official institute in the US will verify that picture for fear of being sued...forgive me, but it shows how wrong this whole "sueing for money" is. It creates this atmosphere of angst which extends into every aspect of living. Horrible!

    • @rolo4945
      @rolo4945 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      So true, egotistical specialists not prepared to hear a different view

    • @mikejohnson3247
      @mikejohnson3247 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely agree with you

    • @allensaunders449
      @allensaunders449 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We Americans sue over anything and everything unfortunately

    • @barryeva8862
      @barryeva8862 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In America people suei at the drop of a hat why insurance etc is so high

    • @DevonRexLady
      @DevonRexLady 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the spoiler. 👍

  • @johnroper4742
    @johnroper4742 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Honestly, it is messed up that someone signed Menzel's name to "The Old General", sad, because the artist who painted is was an amazing talent and should have been proud to sign their own name to it.

    • @franzrogar
      @franzrogar ปีที่แล้ว +20

      By no means this "proves" it was not really done by Menzel. Only that the "current expert consulted" does think it is not. There are so many cases in history where the "current expert consulted" has been proved wrong later (and vice versa: "real" works turned into falsifications). IMHO, which holds no power but to me, it is a real Menzel.

    • @philiptownsend4026
      @philiptownsend4026 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@franzrogar You may well be right. Time will tell.

    • @thornyback
      @thornyback ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@philiptownsend4026 Or not ever tell. This is a piece of work that holds its own as art regardless of the anonymity.

    • @fivizzano
      @fivizzano ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a strong suspicion the signature is much later than the portrait

    • @franzrogar
      @franzrogar ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@fivizzano you can't have any suspicion the signature is ANY MINUTE later than the portrait because it is NOT painted over, BUT draw with the paint still fresh (moving the fresh painting around), as they explain in the video. You can suspect it is either real or fake, but the signature is 100% done at the same time as the painting.

  • @_wesleyhome_
    @_wesleyhome_ ปีที่แล้ว +142

    I was very touched by the reaction of the grandson of the owner of the not-Menzel. It is always a difficult question for people of my age, the grandchildren of the war generation. It speaks so highly to the character of the grandfather that he did really risk everything to protect his employee and the employee's family. You can freeze on the closeup of the page of testimony at 46:40 and 47:22 and read more of the grandfather's description of his negotiations with the Gestapo on the man's behalf. The revelation of his act of righteousness is certainly the most important information to come out of this episode. His family should be very proud.

    • @bubblemum
      @bubblemum ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I hope someone shows this to the Yad Vashem organization, his grandfather should be counted as one of the "Righteous among the Nations", and have a tree planted for him in Jerusalem.

    • @philiptownsend4026
      @philiptownsend4026 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@bubblemum I was just thinking that and you have put the flesh on my thoughts. I absolutely agree.

    • @Caperhere
      @Caperhere ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bubblemum I watched a documentary on trees planted in Israel. A young man set out to find the tree planted for someone in his family in USA. Turns out it’s a bit of a scam.
      It was a method of desperately needed money when Israel was a young growing nation after the war, but like anything with money involved without oversight, it was abused.
      Wish I could remember the name of the show. I think it was on CBC Gem.

    • @bubblemum
      @bubblemum ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Caperhere I think you are confusing the very old "Plant a tree for Israel" fundraising and the trees planted at Yad Vashem in honor of those named as righteous among the nations. I have seen the trees at Yad Vashem; it is a beautiful memorial of people who did the right thing, even at risk of their own lives and families

    • @Luna.3.3.3
      @Luna.3.3.3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thought it was a beautiful moment as well. Definitely brought a tear to my eye.

  • @debbiew.7716
    @debbiew.7716 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    The Old General was my favorite! Whoever did it had a great eye and yes, much emotion comes through. I would call it a treasure no matter the monetary value! His family story is priceless!

  • @k.y.6148
    @k.y.6148 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So much for not being able to show the portrait of Rene! I Googled it and found it immediately.

  • @Alicja1Fenigsen
    @Alicja1Fenigsen ปีที่แล้ว +9

    if the "old general" is a fake, the maker is a great, unknown master who should be MORE famous than the one he emulated

    • @godfreyberry1599
      @godfreyberry1599 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely agreed from someone who understands the hypocrisy of the art world.

  • @charleswood2182
    @charleswood2182 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Very moving emotion when the true riches of one man were beheld by his grandson. Could art imitate such a gift?

  • @IanHaywardCalvados
    @IanHaywardCalvados ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Bizarre decision by the de Kooning Foundation to 'blank' the known genuine 'Portrait of Renée' when it is instantly available through Google. If I were, miraculously, given the right to choose just one of these three, it would unquestionably be 'The Old General'. There is so much apparent life, energy and character in that face, it would draw me back time after time - many, many more times than the other two combined!

  • @ashhempsall9803
    @ashhempsall9803 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I love how the portrait of a lady piece was described as " a (real) person in the room". Can't think of a better description of a good portrait. ☺️ Merry Xmas 🌲

    • @philiptownsend4026
      @philiptownsend4026 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes they were lovely retired couple weren't they?

  • @grokeffer6226
    @grokeffer6226 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I'm no expert, and don't want to be sued, but the de Kooning looked right to me.

  • @philiptownsend4026
    @philiptownsend4026 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I thought I had seen all of the Fake or Fortunes but this one had slipped past me.
    It was fascinating, particularly the history of the family of The Old General, that subject matter is close to my heart.

  • @shirleymcneil4410
    @shirleymcneil4410 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I remember seeing this episode years ago. I wonder what has developed with the child in red since. Enjoyed it just as much second time.

  • @lysem4392
    @lysem4392 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I was surprised how yellow the portrait of the young woman remained even after cleaning. I could not discern any difference from its appearance before cleaning.

    • @gregb6469
      @gregb6469 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't think it was a thorough cleaning, which can be rather expensive. The owners, while not poor, did not strike me as rolling in dough.

    • @elli_k
      @elli_k ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I thought the same thing! I'm used to seeing full restorations, where all the distortions in the canvas would have ben dealt with too.

    • @eljanrimsa5843
      @eljanrimsa5843 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Since it's only 5000 they only did enough to see the signature, and the expert couldn't be bothered and just sent a letter.

  • @johnkochen7264
    @johnkochen7264 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    For starters, the signature under The Old General is nothing like Menzel’s signature. It is more like initials and not a full signature. Then there is the style of the picture. It is nothing like anything shown here by Menzel’s hand. Finally, The Old General is, to my taste, far better than anything by Menzel that I have seen so far.

  • @Psycho-Sapiens
    @Psycho-Sapiens ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ateliers Mommen... Where is the time.
    A friend of mine worked there late 50s, mixing pigments & oil, assembling frames etc.
    For decennies there used to live an extensive colony of artists in the rest of the buildings.
    Was quite a place 🙂

  • @dawnwesterbeck346
    @dawnwesterbeck346 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    It's sad to me that only after the artist dies their art works become important. And the artist may never know or reap the monetary value of their works.

    • @Psycho-Sapiens
      @Psycho-Sapiens ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's a market. For them in the art business a known and limited supply is the best. Always easier after the artist is gone forever.

    • @beastshawnee
      @beastshawnee ปีที่แล้ว +1

      not always true tho…

    • @eljanrimsa5843
      @eljanrimsa5843 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Menzel was much more famous during his lifetime than he is now. He had been Germany's most successful artist during his lifetime, his paintings were directly acquired by museums. Bismarck was a fan of his. He was chosen to paint the coronation of William I, the later emperor, as King of Prussia. He was knighted and became "von Menzel". When he died in 1905, Emperor William II arranged a big funeral and walked behind his coffin.

  • @KissesFromCanada
    @KissesFromCanada ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I loved all 3 works. I’d be thrilled to sit and look at any of them. Valuations are so bizarre. The old general was an amazing piece of art…so which part of it was ‘fake’!?! Great show.

    • @madeleine363
      @madeleine363 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The signature was the fake

  • @Otto72ish
    @Otto72ish ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So bizarre that in the US they not only can't get an opinion on a possible de Kooning, but also that even showing images of other authenticated paintings by the artist is banned by the relevant institute. What a silly country it is.

  • @marvwatkins7029
    @marvwatkins7029 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Ah....Fiona impresses us with her knowledge of French as well as Italian.

  • @northernerinnc3179
    @northernerinnc3179 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Fascinating to hear about the people affected by and connected by art.

  • @svenska81
    @svenska81 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The old adage holds true, “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”.

  • @SandraNelson063
    @SandraNelson063 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love Fake or Fortune. It's a roll of the dice.

  • @inkstainedgirl
    @inkstainedgirl ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think it would be just as interesting to own a forgery. Not for any monetary value, but fascinating to own and thought provoking about the forger.

    • @bubbles581
      @bubbles581 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indeed a forgery that is owned (or sold) as a known forgery is quite interesting and certainly not worthless. There are some great, prolific forgers that would be very interesting to collect!

    • @gregb6469
      @gregb6469 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Someone needs to open a museum displaying nothing but forgeries. A well-done forgery is still a genuine work of art.

  • @dl7596
    @dl7596 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    123022. Commenter Ratana shifu pointed out, "The child clutches the flask of a soldier. So his facial expression has meaning."

  • @seanfaherty
    @seanfaherty 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Old General is my favourite of all of them.
    A guy could save a lot of money buying fakes that are better than most originals

  • @celsoteixeira3198
    @celsoteixeira3198 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is very inspiring all these videos of you, guys! It brings many colors to this fake life! One nurtures oneself by watching them! Truly!

  • @viz8746
    @viz8746 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "The General" is a beautiful Romantic painting. Too much "activity" and "motion" though for a Menzel, as the expert correctly said. Reminded me of a Eugene Delacroix or Caspar David Friedrich, especially Delacroix's Chopin portraint.

  • @mischamartinstudios
    @mischamartinstudios ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is my first video by Perspective. Loved it.

    • @Isabella-nd3rq
      @Isabella-nd3rq ปีที่แล้ว

      They have a lot of great shows!

  • @mfpendle
    @mfpendle ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I find it irritiating that the "experts" keep referring to de Kooning as "William". His name was Willem.

    • @jiggyfun807
      @jiggyfun807 ปีที่แล้ว

      Okay if you know that much(for real respect!)
      what's your opinion, is a real
      de Kooning.

    • @dustyrustymusty3577
      @dustyrustymusty3577 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jiggyfun807 I say no.

    • @jiggyfun807
      @jiggyfun807 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dustyrustymusty3577 I think you're right, it doesn't feel quite right

  • @hannawagenknecht6378
    @hannawagenknecht6378 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh yes,it's so interesting,thank you very much 😌

  • @normanmerrill1241
    @normanmerrill1241 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done…great episode…be safe and sound…

  • @paintparkspaws
    @paintparkspaws ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I’m curious about this artist. His paintings look similar to the DeKooning in question. “Moïse Kisling, born Mojżesz Kisling, was a Polish-born French painter. He moved to Paris in 1910 at the age of 19, and became a French citizen in 1915, after serving and being wounded with the French Foreign Legion in World War I. He emigrated to the United States in 1940, after the fall of France, and returned there in 1946.

  • @herbie0408
    @herbie0408 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    46:59 when last nights sauerkraut comes back to pay a visit to you and your friends

  • @ellen4956
    @ellen4956 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have a little painting that was my grandmother's (1895-1983). I don't know where she got it but it is signed Matisse and looks nothihng like his work. It's small and it's as if whoever painted it was just painting their desk in the studio. A vase full of brushes, with a scene of a boat painted on the vase, part of a tapestry turned back on a corner, and a photo of the painting of Matiss' wife tacked up on the wall. I have thought of giving it to a second-hand store because I don't think it's really a Matisse. Someone told me, "There are other people with that name." It's done in a very realistic style so the painter knew how to paint well.

    • @dl7596
      @dl7596 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ellen M, " I have thought of giving it to a second-hand store because I don't think it's really a Matisse."

    • @franzrogar
      @franzrogar ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Do not forget that there a hundreds of people called "Matisse" that are *not* THAT Matisse ;-)

    • @Psycho-Sapiens
      @Psycho-Sapiens ปีที่แล้ว +2

      From one artist I collected art, drawings, paintinge, etches etc for a creative period stretching 60yrs.
      The beginning period is hardly/not recognisable compared to the mature and later work.
      Anecdotal, he had Ateliers Mommen as a supplier too, just like de Koning!

    • @Psycho-Sapiens
      @Psycho-Sapiens ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Personally I wouldn't sell it.

    • @ellen4956
      @ellen4956 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dl7596 I have sent photographs of it to museums, but I can't afford to pay for a verification. They always say "It doesn't look like a Matisse" and I know it doesn't. And there is no provenance that I'm aware of.

  • @MG-jj3pn
    @MG-jj3pn ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love menzel’s painting of his sister

  • @uswruser7996
    @uswruser7996 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why wasn't the Menzel also examined in terms of colour like the picture by de Kooning ?
    For me it is clearly a masterpiece by Menzel
    The brillance of the expression in this old face, which only an expert of the stature of a Menzel can achieve
    The fact that not only the authenticity (...in the case of the Menzel picture), but also the ownership is being questioned, I find quite sobering for the nice man from a german- english family
    Likewise the lovely Belgian couple who now have to track down the homeless previous owner, who will then blow it all up anyway
    Where is the ideal moral truth ?!

  • @Capital194
    @Capital194 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is a very interesting episode of Fake or Fortune. I have a small painting (portrait) in the style of Pierre Auguste Renoir. A prominent art gallery in London who specializes in impressionist works congratulated me on my purchase and suggested I submit the piece to the Wildenstein Plattner Institute in Paris. I am somewhat hesitant to do this due to cost. It is an expensive proposition if one finds out the work is a very good forgery, although it is technically not a forgery as it is not signed.

    • @pilsplease7561
      @pilsplease7561 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think the wildenstein institute is the least trustworthy entity you can ever send stuff to because they lie and would rather die than admit that a painting is real and ruin their rep. Do not send it to thme

    • @Capital194
      @Capital194 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pilsplease7561 I don't plan sending the painting to Wildenstein unless I can find a solid provenance. Unfortunately if one ever wants to sell a Renoir painting in one of the reputable auction houses it has to be in the catalog raisonne published by Wildenstein.

    • @pilsplease7561
      @pilsplease7561 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Capital194 not necessarily I know people who have sold them without it easily.

    • @user-ti8bw1ri5h
      @user-ti8bw1ri5h 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There's an episode about a Renoir and the Wildenstein Institute in this series. After seeing it, I'd keep well away from the W. I. if I were you. It was eye opening. (Give the place a wide berth 😶)

    • @Capital194
      @Capital194 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-ti8bw1ri5h Yes I know what you mean, I feel the same way.

  • @osip7315
    @osip7315 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i knew a woman whose father was german and mother jewish and his employer had to go to the gestapo and arrange to have his wife left alone, fortunately the children looked classically blonde german

  • @warlockborn1031
    @warlockborn1031 ปีที่แล้ว

    My family always wondered who started Menzels Pencils and Stencils. I think i found him!

  • @carolelerman9686
    @carolelerman9686 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Love this series so much I'll even tolerate all the adds.

    • @carolelerman9686
      @carolelerman9686 ปีที่แล้ว

      the spelling police is here so watch out everyone

    • @Bearwithme560
      @Bearwithme560 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@carolelerman9686Lol. So *are* the grammar police ;)

    • @carolelerman9686
      @carolelerman9686 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Bearwithme560 There's always one around trying to show how smart they are

    • @Bearwithme560
      @Bearwithme560 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@carolelerman9686 Or maybe it's the only thing they know, no? Btw, thanks for prompting me to finally install an adblocker. Fingers crossed it works, lol.

    • @carolelerman9686
      @carolelerman9686 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Bearwithme560 Let me know how it works and how much Thanks

  • @boblyn4402
    @boblyn4402 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've been curious as to who pays for the investigations?

    • @boblyn4402
      @boblyn4402 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joa8227 Thanks.

  • @doc2kiwidig663
    @doc2kiwidig663 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’m pretty certain the artist did not paint that portrait of the lady in dark dingy colours, did he really clean it?? Maybe the friend who cleaned it really did a job on it sadly.

    • @topherjoe1
      @topherjoe1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am not a an expert at all but if the varnish has colored and was only surface cleaned, the discoloration remains. Removing an old varnish has to be done by a professional, only then can the brilliant original paint colors be seen.Just something I learned from Baumgardner restoration videos.

    • @Songbirdstress
      @Songbirdstress ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@topherjoe1 So I'm not the only one screaming "send it to Julian" at the tv. :)

    • @topherjoe1
      @topherjoe1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Songbirdstress lol, wouldn't that be cool to see?

  • @wordforger
    @wordforger ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The story of the derKoonig seems rather suspicious. Isn't that a common forger tactic to explain the lack of provenance for a piece of work by claiming some down on their luck person decided to sell in a hurry? Of course they usually get more cash for it and there are other signs, so it may be the genuine article. Just thinking that should give a bit of pause.

    • @dustyrustymusty3577
      @dustyrustymusty3577 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am very skeptical.

    • @Songbirdstress
      @Songbirdstress ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would have thought just getting the materials would be more than 450 euros.

  • @OlavSurlandHansen
    @OlavSurlandHansen ปีที่แล้ว +9

    WTF?! Copy right restrictions mean they cannot show a painting in a video, as seen in z glimpse from an angle?! In what way does this infringe upon the copyright holders' rights? Madness!

    • @Crackle-Crackle
      @Crackle-Crackle ปีที่แล้ว +6

      No I'm sure it's rich people that own that painting and don't want a piece of their private collection shown on tv I'm sure.

    • @OlavSurlandHansen
      @OlavSurlandHansen ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Crackle-Crackle Then why was this presented as a copyright issue? A downright lie!

    • @dianayount2122
      @dianayount2122 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Copyright "skittishness" is a TH-cam thing. If TH-cam channel creators receive copyright"strikes" their channels are taken down. As I understand trying to make sense with YT is time consuming and often not successful. A risk they prefer not take?

    • @TheJoan48
      @TheJoan48 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dianayount2122 It's no big deal and didn't bother me a bit. I love this show regardless. I'm a painter myself and I can understand why they don't want their painting on youtube. I don't want mine online either.

    • @robbied2113
      @robbied2113 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's really weird and the only time I've ever seen that done on this show.

  • @junebennett978
    @junebennett978 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another Great Episode! Thank You!! May God Jehovah the Father and Jesus Christ Bless Y ou all!!

  • @katharper655
    @katharper655 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am enraptured by "The Old General". I see strength in his face..but humour also...the look of an older man, but one with no apologies to make...no regrets.
    I nearly never wax rhapsodic over art, as I am not even remotely qualified to do so. But Something about "The Old General" reaches deep in me...and strikes a chord.
    And Something within me echoes back...
    ADDENDUM: In light of the outcome of the investigation into "The Old General", one might expect to have a change of heart toward the piece. But...
    Perhaps my LACK of knowledge of Art frees me to have the emotional bond with "The Old General" intact...for its own sake. I genuinely do not know...but if it
    brands me negatively to accept a piece on its own merit-or lack thereof-so be it.
    One shouldn't alter perception of PEOPLE based upon legitimacy;
    And Art-at least in this case-is the depiction of a PERSON.
    I am FAR from being an Art Purist. The initial connection stands..

  • @patriciaariley5810
    @patriciaariley5810 ปีที่แล้ว

    The end title from the DaVinci code and Lily's theme from Harry Potter in the last episode.

  • @Songbirdstress
    @Songbirdstress ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Old General? Nah, Dr Who. Looks just like Hartnell.

  • @tonylarussa4046
    @tonylarussa4046 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why was Portrait of Renee blurred when I was able to get an image of it from a Google search?

  • @emoji_page
    @emoji_page ปีที่แล้ว

    What season and episode of Fake or Fortune is this. ( I'm looking for a video of this episode that doesn't have the rude commercial at the start to put in my Great Art playlist).

  • @trickedouttech321
    @trickedouttech321 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The little boy is signed by the man. just find another painting with the same signature. no more need to keep it going. we learned that he used this signature when he was painting in his area.

  • @CONNELL19511216
    @CONNELL19511216 ปีที่แล้ว

    I find that there seems to be a marked difference between 19th and 20/21st century sketches and book illustrations (not speaking of paintings here). Modern renditions - even if attempting to emulate older illustrations - appear less elaborate. Maybe the technique has changed, or is it that modern artists work much faster? This is an amateur judgement: I would love to hear the opinions of those with artistic experience.

  • @evanputterill8286
    @evanputterill8286 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Funny how the fake is, by far, the superior painting.

  • @Caperhere
    @Caperhere ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish they had panned the lady who seemed to always be looking at you, so we could experience her gaze.

  • @GothicPoet
    @GothicPoet ปีที่แล้ว

    I am always afraid someone will steal my own artwork and poetry. I've been writing and drawing since I was seven years old. I've been told by lots of people I should get published. It costs money to get published and get a proof reader. I am handicapped and I can't work. I have had one art piece that was stolen from me and I got help by the owner of the website where the thief had an account. The owner changed their rules after they helped me get my artwork back. They suspended the account and they have told me if I ever wanted to join their community I have free access to their membership. They are very good people. I am honored and grateful. I do need to research more to find out if anything else has been taken. It's hard work to be an artist and poet. It's not always about sharing your skills you have to be careful how you share if you don't want criminals to steal from you.

  • @nelsonallen4946
    @nelsonallen4946 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like picture of the girl , didn't a 1st, its has more depth

  • @bethbartlett5692
    @bethbartlett5692 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This Series offers most enjoyable Journeys...
    It also demonstrates just how prevalent among the population, most particularly, among the Experts, the individuals are living through and control by the Human ("Lower Mind, aka Ego Mind, aka Adolescent Mind ") where all our negative, leatned fear based ideologies, thoughts energies reside.
    The Higher Mind, aka Mature Mind, holds our evolving, our Positive Thought Energies, and it is where Wisdom resides.
    Beth Bartlett
    Sociologist/Behavioralist
    and Historian
    Tennessee, USA

  • @johnkochen7264
    @johnkochen7264 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    “If the people who sold it to you did not have the right to sell it, you don’t own it.”
    Good to know. Now let’s talk Elgin Marbles.

    • @godfreyberry1599
      @godfreyberry1599 ปีที่แล้ว

      Art belongs to the world despite their origin. Any nation who recognises the artistry and provides a sanctuary and unimpended accesibility for these fragile creations of man's spirit deserves to own them in a custodial context. As an example: Africa is currently screaming for the return of the historically important but god awful Benin Bronze's which were originally sold off piecemeal as curios until they developed some sort of desirable art niche, since the definition of ART per se has become a somewhat muddied term. If they did end up again in Africa, they would quite quickly cease to exist or be completely inaccessible to anyone who really cares a dammn, since Africans do not have an inbred culture of preservation in any shape and form and quite the opposite would surely be applicable. In addition, the facilities which would be required to protect and preserve would be quite far down the African's list of basic priorities.

  • @earlperson741
    @earlperson741 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I TRULY ENJOY YOUR
    PRESENTATIONS.......
    BUT ONE THING BOTHER's ME......
    YOUR NOT ONLY DEALING WITH THE
    PAINTINGS...BUT YOU'RE DEALING WITH
    THE EGO'S OF THE SO
    CALLED ART CRITICS,
    AND THEIR INSTITUTIONS.......
    I HAVE NO DOUBT
    THAT SOME ART
    INSTITUTIONS LIE
    ABOUT WHAT IS REAL
    AND WHAT IS NOT....
    TO BENEFIT THEMSELVES.......

  • @kerrywhite6720
    @kerrywhite6720 ปีที่แล้ว

    First shown in 2016.

  • @lindaj171
    @lindaj171 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Art World is ridiculous. Books are judged by their individual merit, not by the fame of the author. Music is the same. A musician can write a song which is a huge hit and follow it up with a flop. Only in the Art World, fueled by uber wealthy speculators with more money than brains/taste, does the value of a art work link so directly with who created it. Individual pieces of original art should be valued by their own merit, not by who created them. I found the portrait of a child exquisite, regardless of authorship.

    • @gregb6469
      @gregb6469 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you kidding? Lots of best-selling books are promoted and sold on the name of the author; any book you see in the store which has the author's name on the cover in larger type than the title of the book, is being pushed on that basis, not the merits of the book itself.

  • @daveg686
    @daveg686 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍

  • @barbaraguillette9632
    @barbaraguillette9632 ปีที่แล้ว

    REMINDS ME OF JOHN SINGER SARGEANT

  • @oarancards4443
    @oarancards4443 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this show handsome guy hot girl ,,,what a match

  • @maximhollandnederlandthene7640
    @maximhollandnederlandthene7640 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They say that in the art and antique world its posible 20 to 40% is wrongly attributed or some other wrongly date or interpretation is been done.
    Nobody is perfect. 🤔😅

  • @jamesanonymous2343
    @jamesanonymous2343 หลายเดือนก่อน

    WHEN THE OWNERS PAINTING PROVES TO BE AUTHENTIC, & VALUABLE, IT MAKES
    ME HAPPY,,,,, WHEN IT TURNS OUT TO BE A WORTHLESS FAKE, I'M EVEN HAPPIER !

  • @davidohara7669
    @davidohara7669 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Art. = sell the sizzle, not the steak.

  • @Canuck13
    @Canuck13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why do these presenters keep referring to paintings, which are works of art and are not technical such as modern photography provides, as pictures. They are paintings which are representative of an artist’s interpretation of a subject. To me these are paintings; not pictures.

    • @CountDiLuna
      @CountDiLuna ปีที่แล้ว

      I often hear that in British English, and indeed, the entry in the OED reads: "picture > noun 1 a painting or drawing: draw a picture of a tree." It then goes on to also list "photograph" and "portrait". Source: the second revised edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, printed in 2005. I don't have access to an Australian, Canadian, or any other English speaking nation's dictionary, but is it possible the answer is a simple "because they're British"?
      Of course, if it turns out you're from the UK, then my idea clearly doesn't hold true :)

  • @gmariet1391
    @gmariet1391 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If theres not a body in the USA to qualify an original or fake then how in reason does anyone have authority to prevent the owner from showing her compared painting . Seems over reaching !

  • @JMINDIANA487
    @JMINDIANA487 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like the lady host on here but cannot stand the guy that cohosts after what he did to that poor girl that found the art in the trash pile. He had no right to interfere and take everything from her so that it would go to an indivdual that he wanted. Hopefully Karma will meet him one day.

  • @dave7830
    @dave7830 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To me the portrait of a child looked like a bad "paint by numbers"

    • @michellebowers8652
      @michellebowers8652 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It has a slightly cubist aspect to it which is consistent with the style at the time it was painted.

    • @godfreyberry1599
      @godfreyberry1599 ปีที่แล้ว

      Art is in the eye of the beholder and in the pocket of the investor & the deader the artist, the better!.

  • @elenademurias936
    @elenademurias936 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    youtube premium.........no commercials

    • @georgielancaster1356
      @georgielancaster1356 ปีที่แล้ว

      Paying yt apparently means they pay far less to charities and animal rescues.
      Most people with a heart put up with adverts to help. Even though yt is mean about paying advert revenue to start with.
      I would not give yt a penny.

    • @khills
      @khills ปีที่แล้ว

      @@georgielancaster1356 you give YT more than a penny every time you watch a video - you’re contributing to their data mining. Watch an ad? Most of that goes to YT as well. 🤷🏼‍♀️

  • @NinaHansen2008
    @NinaHansen2008 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can Google Portrait of Renee.

  • @edsimnett
    @edsimnett ปีที่แล้ว

    A quick google search will find you the de Kooning they couldn't show (hint: Portrait Of Rene de Kooning). You didn't hear this from me ;-)

  • @gkess7106
    @gkess7106 ปีที่แล้ว

    26:47. This meeting of the two men looks very theatrical and in fact it looks like a Norman Rockwell painting on the cover of a magazine. Not to mention the buffoons shown at 27:23! Yet somehow your so-called expert (Claude Kaisch) says the portrait of The Old General looks too theatrical (44:45) to be real. Does this guy really know what he’s talking about or does he not think that we’ve seen the other confirmed paintings? He can’t have it both ways. I think the only thing fake about this painting is Kaisch!

  • @tracysalari5741
    @tracysalari5741 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did they do testing on old general or show comparison to menzels real ones? Why not?

    • @normanfranke4041
      @normanfranke4041 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t understand why analysis of the “old general” already determined that the pigments were 19th century while the German expert thinks it was painted in the 1920’s. Unfortunately there is no elaboration on this contradiction - were those pigments still available to forgers in the 20th century?

    • @eljanrimsa5843
      @eljanrimsa5843 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@normanfranke4041 Of course. When there are newly invented pigments you can prove that a painting is new, but not the other way round.

  • @lizzywangari9831
    @lizzywangari9831 ปีที่แล้ว

    I make art for me that my son called dark and refused to look at. My revange is i never sell it and when i die he has to deal with it....mwahahaha.
    It's healing to art just for healing then put it away and move on. Fun fun fun

  • @nelsonallen4946
    @nelsonallen4946 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a pilgrimage to miami ?

  • @johnkochen7264
    @johnkochen7264 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The name is pronounced Co- ning, not Coo-ning.

  • @Samalyzer45
    @Samalyzer45 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My understanding has always been that a five-angle valve job should only be done on the intake valves because the exhaust valve needs the increased cooling from coming into the increased contact with the valve seat that a three-angle grind gives.

  • @theorganguy
    @theorganguy ปีที่แล้ว

    my first impression of "the general" is not German, but very American looking... for the Kooning provenance, I'm very confused... the name of the son or the old man depicted here in his youth should be still known to the seller?!?? if the purchasing circumstances are suspect - if at least the name of the "child" can be historically be confirmable to been in the surroundings of the painter; that should still "fix" a lot...

    • @eljanrimsa5843
      @eljanrimsa5843 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But they couldn't track down the seller.

  • @beastshawnee
    @beastshawnee ปีที่แล้ว

    Mercier made everyone into egg headed cartoonish characters…very cute but not real to life portraits…

  • @francismarcoux8944
    @francismarcoux8944 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beauty or skill doesnt matter I guess

  • @reimannx33
    @reimannx33 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is nothin that bendor cannot bend.

  • @plumafina
    @plumafina 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice German man.

  • @beastshawnee
    @beastshawnee ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I should have been a copyist faker! But alas I have moral.

  • @gerhardrohne2261
    @gerhardrohne2261 ปีที่แล้ว

    so Mercier was a prussian, brussels was also under the nazis, and wasnt that painters name Adolf?

  • @otterphonics
    @otterphonics ปีที่แล้ว

    Lazy, amateurish to have a spelling mistake right there on the click screen. It's de Kooning, not de Koonig.

  • @jelink22
    @jelink22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a former antiquarian bookseller, I find it odd that the purported values of the works shown are estimated when they've never been put on the block. I think these folks are trying to "make a market" by simply asserting high values as an artificial baseline. It would help their case if they were to tell us what other works by these artists have fetched in the past.

  • @atmyhouse478
    @atmyhouse478 ปีที่แล้ว

    tip of my tongue; seig shue something but i think this kid is done by a female dutch? who was into peat bogs lets see, )

  • @merryhunt9153
    @merryhunt9153 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Even with the video slowed down, I can't understand about 1/3 of what these people say. At 3:09 "The yen is from Belgium and the yang is crisp sparks." At 3:31: "As an early feather-tip work, this would be just one of a handful of..." "A German artist called Handel von Mentsger." How about showing us how one spells that? These people lack the clear diction needed for broadcasting.

    • @alleeum
      @alleeum ปีที่แล้ว

      "The owners are from Belgium; they're called Jan and Chris Starks."

    • @alleeum
      @alleeum ปีที่แล้ว

      "As an early figurative work, this would be an extremely rare thing. I mean, there's just a handful of them known."

    • @alleeum
      @alleeum ปีที่แล้ว

      "It's by -- or purports to be by -- a great German 19th-century artist called Adolph von Mintsell."

    • @alleeum
      @alleeum ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The two men speak with a posh, well-educated English accent that's sometimes referred to as "plummy" (meaning it sounds as though they are speaking with "plums" -- an old-fashioned word for raisins -- in their mouth :). As art historians educated at the best schools, I suppose it's to be expected. It's a pretty consistent sound, so it isn't difficult to get used to, but it does take a bit of practice.
      The lady speaks in a different type of posh accent. Because she's a professional broadcaster, she leans more toward BBC-approved or "RP" English (no plums/raisins in the mouth :), which you may find easier at first.

    • @alecblunden8615
      @alecblunden8615 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@alleeumA "plum" is a stone fruit which.when dried, produces a "prune". A raisin is a dried grape.

  • @jsb7975
    @jsb7975 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is Willem de Kooning
    So not koonig .....

    • @Psycho-Sapiens
      @Psycho-Sapiens ปีที่แล้ว

      Not sure.
      I have and extensive art collection spanning decades, artist's way of signing does evolve/change over the years. Usually periodwise.

  • @ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717
    @ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717 ปีที่แล้ว

    Crimes

  • @earlperson741
    @earlperson741 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    AN EXAMPLE.......
    WHEN YOUR TEAM COMES ACROSS A
    PAINTING, AND YOU
    ALL COME UP ALL
    THE EVIDENCE NEEDED TO PROVE
    A PAINTING IS THE
    REAL THING...SOME
    HIGH--NOSED ART
    INSTITUTE WILL AT
    TIMES SAY, YOUR
    WRONG, WHEN
    THEY KNOW
    PAINTING IS REAL!!!!!!!
    BUT DON'T WANT TO
    ADMIT IT FOR THEIR
    OWN DARK REASONS!
    THAT IS IRRITATING....

  • @Blake_.Dryden
    @Blake_.Dryden ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful painting of the child in red. Face resembles Fiona.

  • @tothelighthouse9843
    @tothelighthouse9843 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Sorry, but ads every 3 or 4 minutes is ridiculous.
    Being inundated with ads at this overwhelming rate detracts from the quality of the video & is insulting & irritating for viewers.

    • @olga138
      @olga138 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I have Ad Blocker on my computer (it's a free download) and I don't get any ads.

    • @tothelighthouse9843
      @tothelighthouse9843 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@olga138 I think I'll have to break down & do this soon as well. But there are a few animal/animal rescue channels I follow where I do like to watch the ads to support their income stream.

  • @TheSuzberry
    @TheSuzberry ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Are the works in question brilliant? Beautiful? Whatever? If so, why is the painter/provenance important?

    • @Sharkdog11b
      @Sharkdog11b ปีที่แล้ว

      Cus they’re prejudice snobs and only care about the name.

    • @Annaonesun
      @Annaonesun ปีที่แล้ว +2

      While I fully agree that as an observer of a beautiful artwork, who pointed it doesn't really matter, as an artist I would want it to be known that I'm the artist, or if it's falsely attributed to me. Even if these artists are no longer with us in life, it's respectful to attach the correct names to the artworks.

    • @helmuthj.zotter7272
      @helmuthj.zotter7272 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because then it is a beautiful painting worth a lot more....

    • @curiousone6129
      @curiousone6129 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The General is so compelling and beautiful. I would love to have it no matter who painted it! Place of honor in any room. I'd never sell it!

    • @gregb6469
      @gregb6469 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@curiousone6129 -- He looks like the sort of officer men would willingly follow into battle.

  • @trickedouttech321
    @trickedouttech321 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why would you put that part in the end about the owner, now ever Tom Dick and Harry are going to call in claiming the painting. WTF is wrong with y'all. Tighten up. That is something that should not have been put out there. the painting would have been put out in the world and let someone on there own. All you did it give good ground for scammers to make claims. be smarter next time.

  • @paulb2092
    @paulb2092 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So much of the talk about art sounds like the opinionated subjective bullshit we hear about wine.

    • @godfreyberry1599
      @godfreyberry1599 ปีที่แล้ว

      It either moves the individual or doesn't. Tip for all the wine snobs out there from a master ( not me by any means ) : The best wine is the one you enjoy & has zero to do with provenance.

    • @gregb6469
      @gregb6469 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is. Same elitist, more-sophisticated-than-thou mindset.