Specifically on fantasy cuts, not yet, no. I have some friends that do fantasy and concave cutting, so perhaps that will be a good opportunity to collaborate.
Great video, I actually learned something. Can step cut pavilions be modified to have more facets to get more scintillation while preserving the colour? What do you think the best cut would be for Tanzanite?
They most certainly can ~ most of the time cutters have to decide how large they will make the facets. More facets typically equals more scintillation. Larger facets causes you to FOCUS on colour, but it doesnt typically change the colour. Colour is determined by the lightpath (the path that the light must travel into and out of the stone, absorbing colour along the way) Tanzanite has a lot of options, and it depends on the piece. Some can be exceptional with step cuts or modified brilliants both, but im hugely partial to sugarloaf with tanzanite.
Okay, question: there is a TON of gems out there that appear octagon but are referred to as emerald cut. Even GIA references emerald cut in a shape that appears octagon. Is there a difference there or is it just an octagon replaced with the term of emerald for common understanding?
Does exceptional cutting matter for the sake of being exceptional? You said they can cut it however they want as long as the gem looks good. If we're considering a purchase, how do we distinguish between a gem that has been modified in cut and a gem that is possibly vadly cut because some facet points don't meet?
A fantastic question/ point of discussion. The more gems that I cut, the less I care about meet points. Especially when a stone is in movement on someone's hand, the amount of light return, luster and quality of colour are the only things that matter in my opinion. Meet points and faceting pattern are a bonuses, but they do not come before the former 3 qualities in my point of view. Cutting determines all of these things, but I will definitely forgive imperfect meet points if the cutter can close a window, while avoiding extinction (darkness usually from overly steep angles) and maximizing colour. There will always be collectors and fanatics who will disagree with me, and they're welcome to.... but that is my perspective for stones I buy and am willing to deal in. Thanks for the question~
@@GemologyforSchmucks Okay; you do make fair points. At the end of the day those things are what matters. One would have to be very skilled to accomplish those things I think. I have limited knowledge of cutting so I could be wrong. Thanks for answering me. I appreciate it a ton.
Hi. Great video. When I look up the pronunciation of "marquise," google incluse the "s" or "z" at the end (/märˈkēz/). Any thoughts? Do the French drop the "s" sound? Thanks.
Great question - its a multi-cultural and multilingual market so you get a bit of everything. You'll hear both pronunciations and everyone just sort of rolls with it. Its interesting that we get the word from the French, but they also call the shape "navette" meaning little boat. Wild world.
In French, “marquise” is pronounced with a z sound at the end. The male version of the word (as used to describe a nobleman with that title) is “marquis” and there, the s is silent.
Tourmaline is an interesting one because it comes in so many colours and often has strong dichroism (colour that can be different depending on the direction of movement of light in the stone). Because of that, cutting is an extra important consideration. Most shapes will look nice, but depending on how you want to blend those directional colours in the stone, you have to carefully consider the angles on the pavilion of the stone. Poor choices on some crystals can make a blue-green stone look black. Definitely possible. If we're just talking about shapes, I like cushions and emerald cuts for tourmaline personally... though I don't think i've seen a cut on tourmaline that I thought was unattractive. A personal favourite being a round step cut. GoRgEoUs stone.
Great video and very interesting points you mention, but I have to point out that “marquise” is pronounced like “mar-keez” in French. If there weren’t a letter “e” following the “s”, you would be correct and it would be silent. Sorry to correct, but it’s a pet peeve of mine when people assume the ending of a word is not pronounced because it’s a word of French origin 🥴
Thank you for correcting me William ~ we don't know unless someone informs us, as neither English nor French are very intuitive in their spelling (don't even get me started on Thai...) Maybe i'll just start calling it by its alternate name: navette XD Who doesn't love a small boat? So, what about peridot? Most of us are under the impression that its Peri(doh), and others are insistent that it is peri(dote) which hurts my soul. If I find out its actually peri(dote), I may just start calling it gem olivine.... HAH@! 😂 #adapt
@Gemology for Schmucks very right about that, wouldn’t even begin to try to understand Thai... I say peri-do (silent t), but you can’t go wrong with olivine since it’s an umbrella term I believe?
@Gemology for Schmucks oh cool! I did not know that, I’m curious are there others named similarly? Like is that the same as corundum and ruby, for example
@@wyla5896 Yes, LOTS. Especially with quartz (amethyst, citrine etc) and Beryl (Emerald, aquamarine, heliodor, morganite, goshenite) Many gems have a mineral name, and a specific name for the colour variant. Dont even get me started on different sub-categories of quartz. It will take a while...
Rose cuts are one of the earliest faceted gemstone styles. Its a flat bottom with many (typically triangular) facets over the dome of the stone. You can think of it more like a faceted cabochon, if that helps.
After spending lots of time now looking at different gems, i know what youxmean about emeralds. Otherwise lovely emeralds are almost greyed out and dulled from being overly busy with too many facets.
I am reviewing alot. That teal spinel is a step cut stone i really like alot ! That asher cut oale pink stone too!. Lol. So they DO exist! The modified brilliant cut topaz is another one that stands out... Merry christmas or happy appropriate december holiday if you celebrate anything.
Splendid question~ most generic sofas are ugly, and my carpet is beautiful. I move frequently, and one thing that helps define the space (is) my carpet(s).
Very true very true but seeing as im in the production work and not goldsmithing anymore (i got my gemology diploma there). Hopefully i can pick it up again someday:). For now i will just enjoy watching this schmuck:p.
1:36 "marquise" actually is pronounced _mar-KEEZ_ Not _mar-KEE,_ as that would be "marquis", the masculine form of "marquise". Source: that's how French works
I'm just glad that we don't have to say : "28th, July 2021, ravaging hordes of mongols are still here." That said, Mongolian is a pretty awesome language as long as they're not slayin' ye.
Thanks for the education. French is not on my list of competent languages, and the mixed language context of Bangkok certainly doesn't help reinforce what is true compared to what is common ~ Cheers.
Excellent video. Informative and easy to understand. Taught me exactly what I was looking to learn. Thanks for making it!
Glad to be of service JJW~
My grandmother is majestic... Happy 94th grandma! 😘😘😘
Yes indeed ~ may her wisdom and majesty overflow!~
Thank you! 😄
Bravo Peter! love your energy :)
Thanks Corinne ~ stay tuned for more soon :D
Thanks for keeping this up from home. Love this series!
My absolute pleasure - We all have to do what we can to shed some light eh? :D More next week!~
Have you done a video on fantasy cuts? I would like to learn more aboit them
Specifically on fantasy cuts, not yet, no. I have some friends that do fantasy and concave cutting, so perhaps that will be a good opportunity to collaborate.
Great video, I actually learned something. Can step cut pavilions be modified to have more facets to get more scintillation while preserving the colour? What do you think the best cut would be for Tanzanite?
They most certainly can ~ most of the time cutters have to decide how large they will make the facets. More facets typically equals more scintillation. Larger facets causes you to FOCUS on colour, but it doesnt typically change the colour. Colour is determined by the lightpath (the path that the light must travel into and out of the stone, absorbing colour along the way) Tanzanite has a lot of options, and it depends on the piece. Some can be exceptional with step cuts or modified brilliants both, but im hugely partial to sugarloaf with tanzanite.
This was super helpful omg thank u !!
My pleasure Jessie~ I'm glad it was helpful.
Great information! Can't wait for next one.
Glad to hear you enjoyed it ~ stay tuned for more coming sooooon :D
Excellent!! i am brand new to gem cutting! :D i wanna make them for my crowns and magic tools. this video helps.
I'm glad it helps ~ cheers.
Thank you 👍
My pleasure.
Okay, question: there is a TON of gems out there that appear octagon but are referred to as emerald cut. Even GIA references emerald cut in a shape that appears octagon. Is there a difference there or is it just an octagon replaced with the term of emerald for common understanding?
They are the same thing, yes. It's an eggplant and aubergine moment.
Does exceptional cutting matter for the sake of being exceptional? You said they can cut it however they want as long as the gem looks good. If we're considering a purchase, how do we distinguish between a gem that has been modified in cut and a gem that is possibly vadly cut because some facet points don't meet?
A fantastic question/ point of discussion. The more gems that I cut, the less I care about meet points. Especially when a stone is in movement on someone's hand, the amount of light return, luster and quality of colour are the only things that matter in my opinion. Meet points and faceting pattern are a bonuses, but they do not come before the former 3 qualities in my point of view. Cutting determines all of these things, but I will definitely forgive imperfect meet points if the cutter can close a window, while avoiding extinction (darkness usually from overly steep angles) and maximizing colour.
There will always be collectors and fanatics who will disagree with me, and they're welcome to.... but that is my perspective for stones I buy and am willing to deal in. Thanks for the question~
@@GemologyforSchmucks Okay; you do make fair points. At the end of the day those things are what matters. One would have to be very skilled to accomplish those things I think. I have limited knowledge of cutting so I could be wrong. Thanks for answering me. I appreciate it a ton.
Culit? Kewlett? The pointy bottom end? I don't even have a guess on pavillion, girdle, table/crown, etc. I guess I need an intro to terminology....
A solid idea - perhaps that will be a new video soon. PS ~ Culet. It's a classy French word that is derived from the Latin for... butt...
@@GemologyforSchmucks Thanks.
I am enjoying the knowledge!
Glad to hear it!~ Knowledge is power ^_^
Hi. Great video. When I look up the pronunciation of "marquise," google incluse the "s" or "z" at the end (/märˈkēz/). Any thoughts? Do the French drop the "s" sound? Thanks.
Great question - its a multi-cultural and multilingual market so you get a bit of everything. You'll hear both pronunciations and everyone just sort of rolls with it. Its interesting that we get the word from the French, but they also call the shape "navette" meaning little boat. Wild world.
@@GemologyforSchmucks Interesting. Little boat makes sense. Thanks.
In French, “marquise” is pronounced with a z sound at the end. The male version of the word (as used to describe a nobleman with that title) is “marquis” and there, the s is silent.
Very helpful.
Glad it is
What are good cuts for tourmaline?
Tourmaline is an interesting one because it comes in so many colours and often has strong dichroism (colour that can be different depending on the direction of movement of light in the stone). Because of that, cutting is an extra important consideration. Most shapes will look nice, but depending on how you want to blend those directional colours in the stone, you have to carefully consider the angles on the pavilion of the stone. Poor choices on some crystals can make a blue-green stone look black. Definitely possible.
If we're just talking about shapes, I like cushions and emerald cuts for tourmaline personally... though I don't think i've seen a cut on tourmaline that I thought was unattractive. A personal favourite being a round step cut. GoRgEoUs stone.
@@GemologyforSchmucks Thank you for the detailed answer!
Thank you for the video
Very useful, how can i contact u?
Great video and very interesting points you mention, but I have to point out that “marquise” is pronounced like “mar-keez” in French. If there weren’t a letter “e” following the “s”, you would be correct and it would be silent.
Sorry to correct, but it’s a pet peeve of mine when people assume the ending of a word is not pronounced because it’s a word of French origin 🥴
Thank you for correcting me William ~ we don't know unless someone informs us, as neither English nor French are very intuitive in their spelling (don't even get me started on Thai...) Maybe i'll just start calling it by its alternate name: navette XD Who doesn't love a small boat?
So, what about peridot? Most of us are under the impression that its Peri(doh), and others are insistent that it is peri(dote) which hurts my soul. If I find out its actually peri(dote), I may just start calling it gem olivine.... HAH@! 😂 #adapt
@Gemology for Schmucks very right about that, wouldn’t even begin to try to understand Thai... I say peri-do (silent t), but you can’t go wrong with olivine since it’s an umbrella term I believe?
@@wyla5896 Olivine is a mineralogical name, peridot is gem quality olivine. So yes ~ a useful umbrella term.
@Gemology for Schmucks oh cool! I did not know that, I’m curious are there others named similarly? Like is that the same as corundum and ruby, for example
@@wyla5896 Yes, LOTS. Especially with quartz (amethyst, citrine etc) and Beryl (Emerald, aquamarine, heliodor, morganite, goshenite) Many gems have a mineral name, and a specific name for the colour variant. Dont even get me started on different sub-categories of quartz. It will take a while...
Oh, and what are rosecuts? Thanks.
Rose cuts are one of the earliest faceted gemstone styles. Its a flat bottom with many (typically triangular) facets over the dome of the stone. You can think of it more like a faceted cabochon, if that helps.
@@GemologyforSchmucks Thanks. So would that be considered a version of Brilliant Cut but the flat bottom being the distinction?
The rosecut is one of those weird exceptions. You have to think of this one as its own animal. Is it a cat or a dog? Its a pterodactyl...
Great video, thanks!
My pleasure ~ i'm glad you enjoyed. New content each week :D
I've always been partial to an asscher cut stone.
meeeee tooo - it doesn't work with all materials, but more often than not, im a fan. It gives such a majestic feeling.
Thank you!!
My pleasure ~ keep an eye out for more.
After spending lots of time now looking at different gems, i know what youxmean about emeralds. Otherwise lovely emeralds are almost greyed out and dulled from being overly busy with too many facets.
I am reviewing alot.
That teal spinel is a step cut stone i really like alot ! That asher cut oale pink stone too!. Lol. So they DO exist! The modified brilliant cut topaz is another one that stands out...
Merry christmas or happy appropriate december holiday if you celebrate anything.
I just adore you! You have kind eyes 😁
Awwww thanks~! I'm honoured by your words.
@@GemologyforSchmucks aww...I'm honored by your response! Ty!
My only question is ... Why do you have a Rug on your sofa ? lol
Splendid question~ most generic sofas are ugly, and my carpet is beautiful. I move frequently, and one thing that helps define the space (is) my carpet(s).
Just listening to you makes me remenis and miss my gemology classesXD. I realy loved it but unforunatly don't work with it:).
Who knows what the days ahead may hold though~~ Keep your eyes open for aallll the opportunities ;)
Very true very true but seeing as im in the production work and not goldsmithing anymore (i got my gemology diploma there). Hopefully i can pick it up again someday:). For now i will just enjoy watching this schmuck:p.
My grandmother partied at club 54 need I say more lol
1:36 "marquise" actually is pronounced _mar-KEEZ_
Not _mar-KEE,_ as that would be "marquis", the masculine form of "marquise".
Source: that's how French works
Thanks for the education Jay.
28th July 2021. Covid-19 is still here.
I'm just glad that we don't have to say : "28th, July 2021, ravaging hordes of mongols are still here." That said, Mongolian is a pretty awesome language as long as they're not slayin' ye.
@@GemologyforSchmucks ha yea! Great reply! No marauders from Urumqi .
Wah, wait did you guys time travel a month into the future 😂 I highly doubt that'll be wrong in any case 😷
@@cezza100 - yea, a few of us did. Kinda strange sounding but yea. Worth the trip though.
@@cezza100 until then!!!~Sain Bainoo
Scintillation or sparklyneess... 😳😄😂
I'm pretty Brilliant... Lol 😂😂😂
Marquise is feminine, you have to pronounce the S
Thanks for the education. French is not on my list of competent languages, and the mixed language context of Bangkok certainly doesn't help reinforce what is true compared to what is common ~ Cheers.
Is there a video on 8 corners cut haven't found one yet 🤔🩵
At this moment, not specifically. To clarify, are you referring to the 8 corner octagon step-cuts often called "emerald cuts"?
Great video, thank you!