"Lets all be a fire type and not tell ruan mei" ahhh team Edit: ngl, I won't be surprised if ruan mei gets replaced by a fire type character, and the average firefly break team would just end up as a average Robin 4 cost team.
@@shiternet4045 hmc is for the super break, ruan mei overall affects gameplay way more even though its less efficient(ruan mei is better in boothhill teams though, sometimes even in firefly teams) but since fugue is more broken than hmc, why not keep and take benefit from ruan mei's buffs?, ruan mei is also the reason why your firefly can travel at light speed that its worth not having hmc on your team, since firefly deals superbreak with her talent even if it's a percent of damage of the break effect, who cares about hmc if you have 500%+ break effect with ruan mei?🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥
I can tell Hoyo is trying so that Fugure doesn't make Super Break tilt the meta too far. In V1, they seems to gatekeep her potential in her Eidolons just like with every Super Break units
@@PlangPlangers yea, the only saving grace calc for her to be 'barelly' better than HMC is put that E1 to her basic kit. with that she should be better like 10% ? but you lose those jussy BE stat that HMC provide tho.
@@Kindi001 imo for the ult, they could make it dealing toughness dmg to the enemy toughness bar when there's a character with the same element as their element weakness. For ex: Hoolay has Phys & Fure weakness, I brought BH & FF to the field. When Fugue activates her ult, it deals additional toughness dmg based on how many characters with the same element of the enemy element weakness
I would preffer seeing boothill insead of rappa, bc bud never got love in life even from fandom + his Resistence break efficiency that leds to bleed and fugue's skill that adds burn to it turn the cowboy into DOT master lol
@@dohoangtruonghuy7537 it does matter, it would allow lingsha to get enough energy on wave 1 AND THEN FF to instantly break Svarog with the help of Lingsha Ult + FUA.. Plus if FF basic attack 2x on wave 1 (on extra turn and the turn after Lingsha), her E2 wouldve been ready at that point
Yeah, the usual setup is starting Wave 2 with Lingsha ult, which she can always have ready because she doesn’t need to use it for wave 1 with her Technique. The poster actually did that for the second team run, and it lets Firefly to break Svarog from her first turn, as well as getting that Break Vulnerability debuff applied before the team start dealing Superbreak damage. Had they done it for the first team, I’m pretty sure they’ll also clear it in 0 cycle
To give an idea how much damage you lost from not doing that, the first team run essentially wasted 3 Firefly attacks: First one entirely wasted as she’s hitting unbroken enemy Second and Third breaks Svarog, but it didn’t get the bonus Break Vulnerability debuff, which is a loss of 50k damage each attack for just the Superbreak portion. From these it’s a combined loss of 300-400k damage for Breaks and Superbreak of just Firefly, not counting the damage from others like Ruan Mei bonus Ice break and Superbreak damage from Lingsha/Tingyun
Why do I feel like they'll make an RM + HMC unit that is fire element to complete this team? Firefly's allies were made with Fire Element to benefit from her fire implant so I guess the last ally will also be fire
HTB Superbreak damage buff is additive with Fugues so that's much more impactful to keep that over Raun Mei's Efficiency buff. Fugue Exo breaks also charge HTB energy for faster DDD ults. Raun Mei is competing with the Sustain as her breaks are basically permanent with a high damage teams. I may move her back to other teams to make other teams sustainless play more reliable.
Yeah, stupid devs gave ff efficiency in ult instead of toughness reduction buff, so rm's efficiency is just one 3rd of what ff do to enemies' toughness (if we include e1 fuga, efficiency buff goes to 1/4, even worse), but her true strength was always combo imo, res pen is a very rare buff, as well as break efficiency, grows insanely strong in case of brutе forcing content, and holding two of those in just one char is pretty cool
Team comparison with the same number of limited 5 star 0:00 Replace Trailblazer with E0S0 Tingyun Fugue (6 Golds / 1 cycle) 2:29 Replace Ruan Mei with E1S0 Tingyun Fugue (6 Golds / 0 cycle) 4:30 Setup
@@clive... well not exactly you gotta remember Fugue is a break buffer herself with E1 her buff Now gives allies, weakness break efficiency i’ll top of the break buff she is already giving them that’s why she can replace Ruai Mei.
@@clive...the ruanmei-fugue run was scuffed. Killed too fast on the first wave which ruined rotation for the second wave. So it’s not good for comparison
Honestly it doesn’t really matter if characters like HMC, Ruan Mei or Gallagher get replaced on break teams, because you can simply just make a second break team with Boothill or Rappa and they’ll do just great.
The crazy thing is, with Rappa instead of Firefly, much like a Welt super break comp, you can just run without a healer/sustainer because the delays are just so frequent that you don't need to sweat (unless the enemy has a stupid advance ally on death).
kinda awkward. sb multiplier on fg is too low to replace mc but you are bricked if you go against some one like hoolay without rm. need adjustments for sure. best thing would be letting her replace rm by giving her team wide break efficiency which would make her the most broken unit lol.
The HMC super break description doesn't say multipliers, it just says that all post-break toughness reduction is converted to super break damage. This can be interpreted as 100%, correct? So wouldn't the 100% of Fugue be exactly the same?
With RM , Ff dealer greater damage but HMC makes up with her own damage since her e-skill does more damage than just rm's basic. But yes RM helps breaking faster with non-imaginary weakness enemies in general
Nah the dmg from super break is definitely higher than with ruan mei buff.. U can see at the end, the dmg on ff skill+super break on solo enemy (svarog alone) 4:26 is higher than in 1:46 (solo too)
But RM makes you break enemies faster, plus she delays their recover from break, so...don't know if it's worth it to replace her. You know...I am just thinking of saving for 5* Herta at this point xD The Break team is already good, probably not worth it to try to 'improve' it even more. But we will see with the final version...
This is a big shame. I was gonna go in for her, but I have no need for more Break supports. Guess I'll keeo saving for herta. Really hope there's a dot support, or an OP dot DPS in the future. Dot's always been my favorite
@@wolfnagi10 he's right tho, ruan mei's value over HMC is to break the ennemy faster thanks to the 50% break efficiency. if fugue is e1, u already have the 50% break eff and ruan mei's value fell off. Not to mention that he do some mistakes on the ruan mei run
@@valoush08 not necessarily. Ruan Mei gives the entire team 50% break efficiency which also helps with Lingsha breaking while E1 Fugue only boost up FF break efficiency due to ST support. Not to mention, RM spd boost helping the entire team to reach their 160 spd cap. The only time Fugue truly kicks out RM would be having an E2 Fugue due to DDD effect on her eidolon but at that point, its no longer the same cost for both
I mean Sunday is good with summon dps like jingyuan and e6 lingsha but Fugue is like ruan mei she is going to be universal buffer and she is kind a good on acheron because she is a nihility and can debuff too (sorry if my grammar isn’t that good😅)
@@Slay_1363Nuh uh? She's not universal at all and she doesn't apply much debuff for Acheron. Fugue is strictly break, and her def shred is lower than pela so idk why recommend her for Acheron. If for break though then she is very very good.
I already expected this, honestly you can see the super break dmg given by fugue is 100%, but when I tried to see the super break buff on htb it didn't explain what the percentage was.Hoyo should display the percentage of super break damage given by HTB.
The description in HTB's ultimate states "1 instance of superbreak dmg." Since it doesn't mention any percentages, I think it's fair to assume it deals 100% superbreak damage, plus an extra 20% to 60% depending on how many enemies there are. Other superbreak sources, like Firefly's trace, Blessing and Equation in DU, and Fugue's talent, all give percentages based on HTB's superbreak. *In the case of Fugue, the superbreak percentage increases as the level of the trace goes up (50% -> 100%)
So fugue with 181 speed, 82.8% effect hit rate and beads of sweat instead of her own LC. All chars on high speed settings with both RM and HTB with DDD. I was thinking of slowing down RM for her buffs to last longer and overhaul the team speed to get higher BE.
@@Undead_Grius idk, to downplay rm for people who didn't roll her? can you think of any other reason why he magically knew how to control dps in wave 1 on the hmc video but he immediately wasted an entire round of free actions in wave 1 on the rm video?
@@discreaminant really disingenuous argument because practically almost everyone who has firefly has also pulled rm. you can already see that in cn and prydwen moc stats. ‘cost-wise’ isn’t relevant unless you haven’t pulled rm yet and you can put those rolls into e1 fugue. you can’t just refund your rm and roll e1 fugue the fact that this video’s title says ‘replace trailblazer or ruan mei’ implies that you have both. otherwise, how is that even a choice between the two of them?
iirc E1 Tingyun only increases break efficiency and does not scale up to any damage increase. And plus it's expected for tingyun team to deal more damage since she provides a 100% Superbreak buff that stacks with the HMC's 160%
If you already have Ruan Mei, i don't see the reason to pull Fugue imo. Needing the E1 in order to compete with Ruan Mei is dumb, there are better ways to spend your resources.
It showed Fugue but the brightness comes from the protagonist lol it shows the same team but with the protagonist and Ruan Mei it will have the same damage lol
We all gotta remember, Hmc's super break deals 20-60% more damage the fewer the enemies are, while tingyun (fugue) deals 125% on max traces, Ruan mei's support buffs the damage by 50% efficiency plus the break dmg, dreaking toughness bar and delay for the enemy, with HMC and fugue essentially doubling your dmg output but without the toughness buff, and since tingyun has exo bar, it means the enemy can get delayed even more if you run sustainless, you better be fast on breaking enemies or you'll have a hard time on longer fights
Isn’t ruan meis 10 speed passive also super important for firefly (if not zero cycling) or does running DDD just ignore that (I haven’t used DDD just two memories of the past)
Fugue E1 for RM replacement? Let's goooo! I want RM in DoT team 😅 thank you for this vid And of course the reason i want fugue to replace rm just because i love Caefly Ship
Do take this MOC with a slight grain of salt, because the enemies HP are really inflated due to their being trotters that deal huge % based damage to the enemies HP
So between tingyun and sunday, im gonna go tingyun. I have no summon users and dont have the budget to focus new archetypes. Im on DoT, break and acheron. Sad I dont have fua supports.
In all seriousness, what are we thinking? If we're "forced" to run a healer in endgame content then who'd we replace? I feel quite uncertain about tingyun as of right now cus I don't see a clear upgrade unless I replace lingsha
I think they need to buff MoC enemies dmg cos its so lowww, basically encouraging sustainless weekly boss deals at least twice more dmg and will kill your party in just 2-3 attacks
or you can replace both of them if you atleast get her to E1 i guess (?) and possibly you can use sub break DPS or even triple break dps if you have lingsha too. well the BE efficiency on her E1 is only for 1 character so the other 2 can become sub break dps with less toughness reduction 😂
@@lily-eh1ei Fugue E1, the end. Also this video is literally showing you a team without Ruan Mei actually works the best (unless 3 supports no sustain)
@@TheRealIronMan Unfortunatly the Fugue E1 was only for the HMC team so it wasn't a fair comparison, and on top of that there were a couple of missplays that locked the RM team out 0 cycle.
Does breaking exo-toughness trigger HMC’s energy trace and delay trace? I felt like that was the case from seeing this video but it was hard to tell from this alone
I run E2 Bronya with E2 Firefly, HMC and Ruan Mei... I have no idea who to replace, Bronya with 175 speed really pushes that team above and beyond. But I am considering E1 Fugue, so maybe Ruan Mei has to go.
Yeah I run the exact same team. I was originally thinking Bronya would have to go but she's gonna offer more total Firefly toughness Damage than Raun Mei's 50% efficacy. I think either will work and it will more depend on what the other side needs which is likely Raun Mei for sustainless play.
@@pahlevzamanmohammed3790 Pretty sure, yeah. It allows for 0 speed on Firefly (atk boots for more break), Bronya also always goes behind Firefly as long as you use basic attack on Bronya's first turn and keep using skill after that.
@pierozanartu2061 I mean, I know, but the difference in FF's damage is not that big compared with TB or RM, and the damage by herself is not that greater than TB's. Anyway, let's wait for the V2 changes cause just by the design I already want to summon for her
So with ruan mei FF does 220k-290k dmg but with HMC she does like 600k dmg the difference is HUGEEE Thats alot of proof that fugue can replace ruan mei but not HMC. Im afraid my ruan mei will have a break now
@@B_KaizoIt's for the weakness break efficiency increase by 50% as Fugue doesn't have that in the base kit unlike Ruan Mei. In my opinion, if that E1 moves into the base kit(Like FF weakness implant did). She's golden.
right now, with her v1 beta kit? she is a hmc sidegrade. this is what she gives: party superbreak. 100%. for comparison, hmc is 120% vs 5 enemies, and 160% vs 1 enemy exo toughness. similar to current moc. enemies have a second layer of break bar you can destroy after you break the original one. this is mainly useful to proc break-related abilities such as on himeko, xueyi, rappa etc and deal some damage from the 2nd break def shred. 18% (hmc has none) sp. tingyun generates a good amount of sp. her rotation is 1 skill -> 3 basics, doesn't use sp on the first skill. for comparison, hmc's rotation is usually 2 skills -> 1 basic break effect buff. 30% to party, plus additional 40% for 1 chosen unit. for comparison hmc is 30% + 15% of hmc's break to party. usually that's around 60 - 70% to party toughness damage. not very high. her skill doesn't do damage. her basics do 10 to main target and 5 to adjacent targets. her ult does 20 AOE toughness damage, however her ult very expensive at 150 energy. realistically you will need 4 - 5 turns to charge it here are some toughness damage comparisons: hmc's skill: 40 over 6 bounces on first cast, 30 on subsequent casts ruan mei's basic: 10 singletarget e6 gallagher's basic: 12 singletarget e6 gallagher's ult + enhanced basic: 24 AOE + 36 singletarget lingsha's ult + bunny: 20 AOE + 10 AOE + 5 to a random single target prioritizing lowest toughness nihility unit. meaning she cannot use watchmaker relic set and harmony lightcones such as 'dance, dance, dance!'. her lightcone inflicts 40% break dmg vuln
RM gives more weakness break efficiency but fugue gives u exo toughness which should be a significant increase to his damage so u probably could since bronya let's him get actions which I don't think is replaceable
People saying go sustainless, you lose massive toughness damage from Lingsha. Meaning your firefly spends 1 Turn not breaking on the second wave killing your dps
Seems no more dmg after breaking all the toughness and exo bar, unlike HMC that still let u do good dmg even after all toughness bar gone. Unless im missing something, seesm tingyun csnt fully replace HMC yet.
I've always been a loyal fan of crit team and didn't pull anyone in break team. Now I'm considering pulling Fugue just because of her animation alone and will pair her with March hunt and shifu gallagher. Will it work?
![[Fanmade Animation] Honkai: Star Rail - Feixiao vs Jingyuan](/img/n.gif)
"Lets all be a fire type and not tell ruan mei" ahhh team
Edit: ngl, I won't be surprised if ruan mei gets replaced by a fire type character, and the average firefly break team would just end up as a average Robin 4 cost team.
Rude as hell 😂😂💀
it's just like a mono pyro team with support like Xilonen or Kazuha lol
its Neuvillette Furina Xilonen and Kazuha all over again 😂
Considering HMC does better than ruan mei here she's the one getting replaced on firefly teams.
@@shiternet4045 hmc is for the super break, ruan mei overall affects gameplay way more even though its less efficient(ruan mei is better in boothhill teams though, sometimes even in firefly teams) but since fugue is more broken than hmc, why not keep and take benefit from ruan mei's buffs?, ruan mei is also the reason why your firefly can travel at light speed that its worth not having hmc on your team, since firefly deals superbreak with her talent even if it's a percent of damage of the break effect, who cares about hmc if you have 500%+ break effect with ruan mei?🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥
She replaces the sustain because ain't nobody need that with this much delay and damage output
This ☝️
already a vid without sustain on this channel, it actually worse without lingsha. Cuz FF alone can't break the toughness bar fast enough for 0 cc
@@dohoangtruonghuy7537 its no true. 5 cost with no sustaine 0 cycle. th-cam.com/video/ArDOAvmB3ck/w-d-xo.html
Sustain? Wdym, which sustain?
People imagining they can do 0 cycle on every MOC 🤣
Replace firefly, make Lingsha the break dps frfr
Here's your crown king 🤡
u also can make Lingsha crt dps with Sunday
So real
TRUE
there already one on yt tho took 5 cycle mostly dmg come from killing pig
1 step closer of mono fire superbreak team 🗣🔥
It's already possible. Firefly, Fugue, Jiaoqiu/Asta and Lingsha
@@wandersonvitor3054they said super break. You need harmony trailblazer to use super break
@@TheSkul5fugue gives super break
@@TheSkul5 Fugue is basically a Nihility HMC, so no need for him
@@TheSkul5 Also, from the 2.7 tests, it seems that Firefly best team will be with Ruan Mei, Fugue and Lingsha with no HMC needed in the team
2:48 LMAO THE TINGYUN CURSE STRIKED AGAIN
I can tell Hoyo is trying so that Fugure doesn't make Super Break tilt the meta too far. In V1, they seems to gatekeep her potential in her Eidolons just like with every Super Break units
Still, the mc is still better, wich is sad for a 5 star.
@@DarkDuchesss still, this is a V1. V1 is more like a placeholder for everyone's kit. They'll probably remake the kit like how they did it with FF.
@@PlangPlangers unfortunately, oh well, can't wait to see, for the final kit, still skipping unfortunately
@@PlangPlangers yea, the only saving grace calc for her to be 'barelly' better than HMC is put that E1 to her basic kit. with that she should be better like 10% ? but you lose those jussy BE stat that HMC provide tho.
@@Kindi001 imo for the ult, they could make it dealing toughness dmg to the enemy toughness bar when there's a character with the same element as their element weakness. For ex: Hoolay has Phys & Fure weakness, I brought BH & FF to the field. When Fugue activates her ult, it deals additional toughness dmg based on how many characters with the same element of the enemy element weakness
Can we see either Boothill or Rappa with Fugue
I am tired of seeing firefly fr
I would preffer seeing boothill insead of rappa, bc bud never got love in life even from fandom + his Resistence break efficiency that leds to bleed and fugue's skill that adds burn to it turn the cowboy into DOT master lol
Yes! Rappa, please!
@@sekaiforfun Yo wanna see a dragonfly instead???
@@VictorGz1erm.... Fugue doesn't add burn
This also means that if you have Fugue, then you can also have a second break team with Harmony trailblazer as the enabler buffer.
Nice. Fugue E1 vs Ruan Mei E0 lol. Totally fair video
Or just use enhanced basic on wave1 rm side so you also have lingsha ult up at the start of second wave for an actual fair comparison.
I don't think it's matter, the rabbit almost take turn, it'd still better for the rabbit get action then ult to ultilize the advance action.
@@dohoangtruonghuy7537 it does matter, it would allow lingsha to get enough energy on wave 1 AND THEN FF to instantly break Svarog with the help of Lingsha Ult + FUA.. Plus if FF basic attack 2x on wave 1 (on extra turn and the turn after Lingsha), her E2 wouldve been ready at that point
Yeah, the usual setup is starting Wave 2 with Lingsha ult, which she can always have ready because she doesn’t need to use it for wave 1 with her Technique.
The poster actually did that for the second team run, and it lets Firefly to break Svarog from her first turn, as well as getting that Break Vulnerability debuff applied before the team start dealing Superbreak damage. Had they done it for the first team, I’m pretty sure they’ll also clear it in 0 cycle
The showcases compares the number of limited 5* pulls but for the actual question HTB vs Ruan Mei there is another problem: On HTB side Fugue has E1.
To give an idea how much damage you lost from not doing that, the first team run essentially wasted 3 Firefly attacks:
First one entirely wasted as she’s hitting unbroken enemy
Second and Third breaks Svarog, but it didn’t get the bonus Break Vulnerability debuff, which is a loss of 50k damage each attack for just the Superbreak portion. From these it’s a combined loss of 300-400k damage for Breaks and Superbreak of just Firefly, not counting the damage from others like Ruan Mei bonus Ice break and Superbreak damage from Lingsha/Tingyun
Why do I feel like they'll make an RM + HMC unit that is fire element to complete this team? Firefly's allies were made with Fire Element to benefit from her fire implant so I guess the last ally will also be fire
Mono fire is real 😂😂, but I'm gonna use fugue for Acheron fire with jiaqio and lingsha
@@teumefatih5490 Fugue is just there to look pretty and do no damage lmao
Damn yall still want more? 😭😭
@@kimkardashi-un2.051Ff simps never got enough
@@nam6282 true lol. Rm is literally her BIS, as she gives dmg buff, spd, res pen and break. How much more do they need?
HTB Superbreak damage buff is additive with Fugues so that's much more impactful to keep that over Raun Mei's Efficiency buff. Fugue Exo breaks also charge HTB energy for faster DDD ults. Raun Mei is competing with the Sustain as her breaks are basically permanent with a high damage teams. I may move her back to other teams to make other teams sustainless play more reliable.
If you have s5 DDD HMC then it’s the play ngl.
Yeah, stupid devs gave ff efficiency in ult instead of toughness reduction buff, so rm's efficiency is just one 3rd of what ff do to enemies' toughness (if we include e1 fuga, efficiency buff goes to 1/4, even worse), but her true strength was always combo imo, res pen is a very rare buff, as well as break efficiency, grows insanely strong in case of brutе forcing content, and holding two of those in just one char is pretty cool
Also realized that 2nd team the fugue that replaced RM is E1, where she gives FF the same 50% weakness efficiency just like RM does....
Team comparison with the same number of limited 5 star
0:00 Replace Trailblazer with E0S0 Tingyun Fugue (6 Golds / 1 cycle)
2:29 Replace Ruan Mei with E1S0 Tingyun Fugue (6 Golds / 0 cycle)
4:30 Setup
so double super break enabler is better than a buffer ig, it makes sense too since their superbreaks are independent which means that it could stack
Can u showcase boothill fugue Ruan next ?
@@clive... well not exactly you gotta remember Fugue is a break buffer herself with E1 her buff Now gives allies, weakness break efficiency i’ll top of the break buff she is already giving them that’s why she can replace Ruai Mei.
@@clive...the ruanmei-fugue run was scuffed. Killed too fast on the first wave which ruined rotation for the second wave.
So it’s not good for comparison
@@sev559 THIS, if the OP just managed to idk, control their damage on wave 1, Lingsha Ult (as well as FF E2 wouldve been ready.
Honestly it doesn’t really matter if characters like HMC, Ruan Mei or Gallagher get replaced on break teams, because you can simply just make a second break team with Boothill or Rappa and they’ll do just great.
The crazy thing is, with Rappa instead of Firefly, much like a Welt super break comp, you can just run without a healer/sustainer because the delays are just so frequent that you don't need to sweat (unless the enemy has a stupid advance ally on death).
Man, any superbreak team is gonna run without sustain with existance of Fugue. This guy already has videos of FF E0 and FF E2 without the sustain.
kinda awkward. sb multiplier on fg is too low to replace mc but you are bricked if you go against some one like hoolay without rm. need adjustments for sure.
best thing would be letting her replace rm by giving her team wide break efficiency which would make her the most broken unit lol.
MC personal dmg higher than ruanmei
There is absolutely no reason to play ANY Super Break team against Hoolay in specific.
@@ryosz9788 yeah just ignore the problems what a great mindset.
The HMC super break description doesn't say multipliers, it just says that all post-break toughness reduction is converted to super break damage. This can be interpreted as 100%, correct? So wouldn't the 100% of Fugue be exactly the same?
@@acasadalareira mc has a trace which give bonus multiplier up to 60% extra on st
Or just use all of them, Break teams are the easiest teams to go sustainless
Ya hay un video y es peor el equipo sin lingsha
Basically never let you enemies take a turn
With RM , Ff dealer greater damage but HMC makes up with her own damage since her e-skill does more damage than just rm's basic. But yes RM helps breaking faster with non-imaginary weakness enemies in general
Nah the dmg from super break is definitely higher than with ruan mei buff..
U can see at the end, the dmg on ff skill+super break on solo enemy (svarog alone) 4:26 is higher than in 1:46 (solo too)
But RM makes you break enemies faster, plus she delays their recover from break, so...don't know if it's worth it to replace her. You know...I am just thinking of saving for 5* Herta at this point xD The Break team is already good, probably not worth it to try to 'improve' it even more. But we will see with the final version...
@@blackfeath1055 Need to remember two things, her ultimate is not 100% up and Breaking faster can be mitigated by Lingsha E1
This is a big shame. I was gonna go in for her, but I have no need for more Break supports. Guess I'll keeo saving for herta. Really hope there's a dot support, or an OP dot DPS in the future. Dot's always been my favorite
The next path for the trailblazer might be DOT as well.
@@LCardosed92 Oh I hope so! From OP super break support to OP DoT support would be crazy
That's not fair. why your second run is with Fugue E1 and the first is E0 ???
RM got converted into E1 Fugue in HTB comp since HTB is free.
because they are replacing ruan mei with a free unit. it's the same "cost" (number of 5 star characters)
@@Electravess That's bs
@@wolfnagi10 he's right tho, ruan mei's value over HMC is to break the ennemy faster thanks to the 50% break efficiency. if fugue is e1, u already have the 50% break eff and ruan mei's value fell off.
Not to mention that he do some mistakes on the ruan mei run
@@valoush08 not necessarily. Ruan Mei gives the entire team 50% break efficiency which also helps with Lingsha breaking while E1 Fugue only boost up FF break efficiency due to ST support. Not to mention, RM spd boost helping the entire team to reach their 160 spd cap. The only time Fugue truly kicks out RM would be having an E2 Fugue due to DDD effect on her eidolon but at that point, its no longer the same cost for both
In conclusion: Don't EVER separate Firefly from her racoon girlfriend
lmaoooo
*Boyfriend for us caelus user
What about boothill
Nonone cares@@naxtris-vl7nv
Fireflys slave basically
Damn, this make me want to pull for Fugue instead of Sunday😢
I mean Sunday is good with summon dps like jingyuan and e6 lingsha but Fugue is like ruan mei she is going to be universal buffer and she is kind a good on acheron because she is a nihility and can debuff too (sorry if my grammar isn’t that good😅)
But pull who you want because that’s your acc
You can always skip Sunday and pick him up on Rerun since we aren’t getting the big summon DPS’s until a couple patches into 3.x. Or pull both lol
I don't have any break focus unit so easy skip lol
@@Slay_1363Nuh uh? She's not universal at all and she doesn't apply much debuff for Acheron. Fugue is strictly break, and her def shred is lower than pela so idk why recommend her for Acheron. If for break though then she is very very good.
Hoyoverse just went: "ALL THE FIRE BREAK EFFECT TYPES!! 😈😈😈"
And I'm eating it up. 😂😋
When I get Fugue, it's over. Don't bother updating the game any further 😤
Setting the Seas Ablaze" is the new mission.
Something im seeing a lot of people miss - she's e0 in the first and e1 in the second, right?
Cost wise it’s fair
If Tingyun is e0 for the second it’s actually unfair cuz the second uses less limited 5 star than the first
I already expected this, honestly you can see the super break dmg given by fugue is 100%, but when I tried to see the super break buff on htb it didn't explain what the percentage was.Hoyo should display the percentage of super break damage given by HTB.
The description in HTB's ultimate states "1 instance of superbreak dmg." Since it doesn't mention any percentages, I think it's fair to assume it deals 100% superbreak damage, plus an extra 20% to 60% depending on how many enemies there are.
Other superbreak sources, like Firefly's trace, Blessing and Equation in DU, and Fugue's talent, all give percentages based on HTB's superbreak.
*In the case of Fugue, the superbreak percentage increases as the level of the trace goes up (50% -> 100%)
Can u do e0s0 sunday with jing yuan pls
So fugue with 181 speed, 82.8% effect hit rate and beads of sweat instead of her own LC. All chars on high speed settings with both RM and HTB with DDD.
I was thinking of slowing down RM for her buffs to last longer and overhaul the team speed to get higher BE.
From what I saw Harmony MC stays, Ruan Mei gets the boot.
Could we see a E2 FF, E1 Fugue, E1 RM, and E6 HMC
yes please, and try to swap e6 hmc with e1 lingsha like comparison or something. Ik no sustain is the best but I would js like to see
I AM VERY EXCITED FOR FUGUE BANNER!!!
without harmony tb it becomes like a boothill team, a hypercarry at least i think, then with its like everyone does dmg
bad comparison, hmc had e1 tingyun and rm had e0 tingyun. also the video maker messed up the rotation for the rm video, why? did he do it on purpose?
@@Undead_Grius idk, to downplay rm for people who didn't roll her? can you think of any other reason why he magically knew how to control dps in wave 1 on the hmc video but he immediately wasted an entire round of free actions in wave 1 on the rm video?
@@aliasonarcotics
I've seen a bunch of Ruan Meiless already glaze the new Tingyun so that wouldn't be so unilkely
Cost wise it’s fair
HMC + Tingyub e1 is 2 cost
RM + Tingyub e0 is also 2 cost
@@discreaminant really disingenuous argument because practically almost everyone who has firefly has also pulled rm. you can already see that in cn and prydwen moc stats. ‘cost-wise’ isn’t relevant unless you haven’t pulled rm yet and you can put those rolls into e1 fugue. you can’t just refund your rm and roll e1 fugue
the fact that this video’s title says ‘replace trailblazer or ruan mei’ implies that you have both. otherwise, how is that even a choice between the two of them?
iirc E1 Tingyun only increases break efficiency and does not scale up to any damage increase. And plus it's expected for tingyun team to deal more damage since she provides a 100% Superbreak buff that stacks with the HMC's 160%
If you already have Ruan Mei, i don't see the reason to pull Fugue imo.
Needing the E1 in order to compete with Ruan Mei is dumb, there are better ways to spend your resources.
Damn... Seems like fugue superbreak is not high enough to replace hmc
It showed Fugue but the brightness comes from the protagonist lol it shows the same team but with the protagonist and Ruan Mei it will have the same damage lol
I want to see this team perform with 200% BE for all. Lingsha in this Vid only has 67 BE which is very low.
Lingsha seems to have better 0-cycle aptitude than no sustain
Because she does. She offers too much damage/toughness reduction than going sustainless
Fk it just put both we go sustainless😂
Agreed
Try sustainless on feixiao boss
@@blueraine21 Imagine not being able to clear Feixiao without sustain at the same time of using Superbreak, 🤣🤣
thanks for sharing brotha
We all gotta remember, Hmc's super break deals 20-60% more damage the fewer the enemies are, while tingyun (fugue) deals 125% on max traces, Ruan mei's support buffs the damage by 50% efficiency plus the break dmg, dreaking toughness bar and delay for the enemy, with HMC and fugue essentially doubling your dmg output but without the toughness buff, and since tingyun has exo bar, it means the enemy can get delayed even more
if you run sustainless, you better be fast on breaking enemies or you'll have a hard time on longer fights
125% is at level 15 btw. We'll have 100% at Trace level 10.
@@GGABueno yep, Thats right
fugue is required for superbreak so its hmc substitute, fugue is more sp friendly its good for ff e0
Do it with firefly E0, I dont have FF eidolons and want to know if still replaces RM.
Isn’t ruan meis 10 speed passive also super important for firefly (if not zero cycling) or does running DDD just ignore that (I haven’t used DDD just two memories of the past)
I want to see the funny delay team with E2 Welt RM Fugue and HMC 😂
We need a acheron fugue jiaoqiu gallagher comp
I have firefly e6s1 i think i don't especially need a healer so ill play her with Tingyun, HMC and ruan mei e1
First clip is the reason slow rm is better than fast rm
wouldn't it be better to replace the healer slot for tingyun?
Wdym? There is no healer in this video.
Bro forgot lingsha😭😭
@@Dorhen yeah, lingsha is a break dps, so true
@@Dorhen lingsha is a healer
@@arygunawho850 At least someone got it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Running two super break teams is now more viable with her around.
fugue is probably gonna replace him soley on the principal of the obtaining to dream of solo fire team
Whats the background musics name Cuz I DID NOT KNOW THEY COULD COOK THIS HARD
phantylia third phase
At this state she replace only her dead body, she need a several buff, her kit is so unstable frfr
The speed bro is insane 💀
Calm down
Yeah fr 💀🙏all my characters are below 150
Fugue E1 for RM replacement? Let's goooo! I want RM in DoT team 😅 thank you for this vid
And of course the reason i want fugue to replace rm just because i love Caefly Ship
Ha you and me both dude I was thinking of going sustainless purely for that reason. May not be the best but so what
Her skill increasing Break effect, but the bassic attack debuff not work at all, at least use it once 🤪
I’m so builder her as a super break dps, Fugue (I hope) can slay as a break dps
Do take this MOC with a slight grain of salt, because the enemies HP are really inflated due to their being trotters that deal huge % based damage to the enemies HP
that run on the Ruan Mei side was horrendous. So many mistakes, especially on the svarog boss.
So between tingyun and sunday, im gonna go tingyun. I have no summon users and dont have the budget to focus new archetypes.
Im on DoT, break and acheron. Sad I dont have fua supports.
Himeko + Fugue showcase please!
Probably will replace TB as we might get new path for them.
I always use trailblazer so i think they both in team super break
Why does she get shafted with 102 speed while 4star ting get 112 wtf
In all seriousness, what are we thinking? If we're "forced" to run a healer in endgame content then who'd we replace? I feel quite uncertain about tingyun as of right now cus I don't see a clear upgrade unless I replace lingsha
actually same.. i don't see an upgrade and this just seems like they're gonna allow 2 break teams on 2 sides of MOC soon
but they're delaying the other super break support for a time when a new mechanic is out so break isn't too much to handle for the game
I think they need to buff MoC enemies dmg cos its so lowww, basically encouraging sustainless
weekly boss deals at least twice more dmg and will kill your party in just 2-3 attacks
@@blueraine21 What game are we playing wtf
or you can replace both of them if you atleast get her to E1 i guess (?) and possibly you can use sub break DPS or even triple break dps if you have lingsha too. well the BE efficiency on her E1 is only for 1 character so the other 2 can become sub break dps with less toughness reduction 😂
As expected, Prydwen listed HMC as Firefly DPS calculation benchmark for a reason, Ruan Mei is a luxury slot for Firefly teams, not a must have.
@@lily-eh1ei who hurt you nigga
@@lily-eh1ei Fugue E1, the end. Also this video is literally showing you a team without Ruan Mei actually works the best (unless 3 supports no sustain)
@@TheRealIronMan Unfortunatly the Fugue E1 was only for the HMC team so it wasn't a fair comparison, and on top of that there were a couple of missplays that locked the RM team out 0 cycle.
I was gonna say I can finally replace my Ruan mei and have her on another team
@@TheRealIronMan what her e1 does
Does breaking exo-toughness trigger HMC’s energy trace and delay trace? I felt like that was the case from seeing this video but it was hard to tell from this alone
it's kind of annoying, how they are re suing the same element plus path rather than giving us a new one
How good or bad she fit with the cowboy
She helps with break AND shreds def. Thats busted lol
Why is lingsha doing low numbers on weakness broken enemies? Is hmc’s super break conversion better than fugue? So confused.
MONO FIRE TEAM INCOMING WHERE MY FIRE RYAN MEI 🗣️🗣️🗣️
yap, i think you cen use JQ for now
It already exists technically.
I run E2 Bronya with E2 Firefly, HMC and Ruan Mei... I have no idea who to replace, Bronya with 175 speed really pushes that team above and beyond. But I am considering E1 Fugue, so maybe Ruan Mei has to go.
Yeah I run the exact same team. I was originally thinking Bronya would have to go but she's gonna offer more total Firefly toughness Damage than Raun Mei's 50% efficacy. I think either will work and it will more depend on what the other side needs which is likely Raun Mei for sustainless play.
What does bronya at 175 speed do? Is it a speed breakpoint?
@@pahlevzamanmohammed3790 Pretty sure, yeah. It allows for 0 speed on Firefly (atk boots for more break), Bronya also always goes behind Firefly as long as you use basic attack on Bronya's first turn and keep using skill after that.
Too many ladies, I only need Tingyun as a break unit, I wanna see a Boothill showcase. 😭
what hsr do you use?
Your comparing Fugue with E1 and Ruan mei at E0. It's unfair comparison is it not?
E1 fugue on hmc side but not on RM side? 🤣🤣
She just replaces trailblazer which is fair his a f2p support it was only a matter of time
She aint replacing nobody unless she gets buffed, cause rn her damage is depressing
??? She is a support dude and she is doing very well her Job.
@pierozanartu2061 I mean, I know, but the difference in FF's damage is not that big compared with TB or RM, and the damage by herself is not that greater than TB's. Anyway, let's wait for the V2 changes cause just by the design I already want to summon for her
Man when is someone gonna use her with rappa
So with ruan mei FF does 220k-290k dmg but with HMC she does like 600k dmg the difference is HUGEEE
Thats alot of proof that fugue can replace ruan mei but not HMC. Im afraid my ruan mei will have a break now
to be fair they're using e1 Tingyun in that second team for some reason
@@B_KaizoIt's for the weakness break efficiency increase by 50% as Fugue doesn't have that in the base kit unlike Ruan Mei. In my opinion, if that E1 moves into the base kit(Like FF weakness implant did). She's golden.
@@devika2545 It's still v1 so let's hope they do
@@devika2545 so this is only showing that fugue e1 replaces ruan but not e0
Hoyo try kick trailblazer MC from premium team
Fugue and her skill set are so beautiful, I will pull her for my "Diamond" Break team 🔥🔥
You can't break diamonds
@@Xgil2Play is that a jojo reference?
@@Xgil2Play Say that again
@@hydreigon2709 YOU CAN'T BREAK DIAMONDS 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
use HMC instead of sustain because enemies cant attack at all 😂
so... what does fire tingyung does?? i haven't hear anything
right now, with her v1 beta kit? she is a hmc sidegrade. this is what she gives:
party superbreak. 100%. for comparison, hmc is 120% vs 5 enemies, and 160% vs 1 enemy
exo toughness. similar to current moc. enemies have a second layer of break bar you can destroy after you break the original one. this is mainly useful to proc break-related abilities such as on himeko, xueyi, rappa etc and deal some damage from the 2nd break
def shred. 18% (hmc has none)
sp. tingyun generates a good amount of sp. her rotation is 1 skill -> 3 basics, doesn't use sp on the first skill. for comparison, hmc's rotation is usually 2 skills -> 1 basic
break effect buff. 30% to party, plus additional 40% for 1 chosen unit. for comparison hmc is 30% + 15% of hmc's break to party. usually that's around 60 - 70% to party
toughness damage. not very high. her skill doesn't do damage. her basics do 10 to main target and 5 to adjacent targets. her ult does 20 AOE toughness damage, however her ult very expensive at 150 energy. realistically you will need 4 - 5 turns to charge it
here are some toughness damage comparisons:
hmc's skill: 40 over 6 bounces on first cast, 30 on subsequent casts
ruan mei's basic: 10 singletarget
e6 gallagher's basic: 12 singletarget
e6 gallagher's ult + enhanced basic: 24 AOE + 36 singletarget
lingsha's ult + bunny: 20 AOE + 10 AOE + 5 to a random single target prioritizing lowest toughness
nihility unit. meaning she cannot use watchmaker relic set and harmony lightcones such as 'dance, dance, dance!'. her lightcone inflicts 40% break dmg vuln
In a Boothill team, can I replace RM for Tingyun? My usual Boothill team is RM, Bronya for the 100% advance forward and DDD push, and Gallagher for sp
RM gives more weakness break efficiency but fugue gives u exo toughness which should be a significant increase to his damage so u probably could since bronya let's him get actions which I don't think is replaceable
I think not, because if the enemy doesn't have a fire weakness, then the reduction in tougnes in your team will be drastically reduced
So what does she do? What's her kit?
People saying go sustainless, you lose massive toughness damage from Lingsha. Meaning your firefly spends 1 Turn not breaking on the second wave killing your dps
Seems no more dmg after breaking all the toughness and exo bar, unlike HMC that still let u do good dmg even after all toughness bar gone.
Unless im missing something, seesm tingyun csnt fully replace HMC yet.
She replaces Ruan Mei for me........because I don't have Ruan Mei.
I've always been a loyal fan of crit team and didn't pull anyone in break team. Now I'm considering pulling Fugue just because of her animation alone and will pair her with March hunt and shifu gallagher. Will it work?
it could work but i dont recommend it. better to pull for a superbreak dps like rappa right now than try to get through with a niche superbreak team
Idk bro.. im still waiting for fate limited collab
tingyun e1: both. both is good
Why not use booth?
So is it better ? Im confused rn
So is she ruan mei replacement?
how about a non- sustain run 💀
0 circel
Already done on the channel, it's actually worse than running Lingsha. The Toughness she does actually matters for FF to 0 cycle.
@@supervegetto8809 this is an e2 fly, the no sustain showcase all had e0s0
lingsha is e1 so it's a bit pointless
Even Fugue could buff Trailblazer.
She replaces my dollars cuz god have mercy I'm bout to whale