Sonically I could only hear subtle differences when hearing isolated tracks. As I told you in discord, you and Mike influenced me to get an 8 string Goliath. So glad I did because it’s an absolute winner.
I have both straight and fanned 7’s, and honestly I don’t think I prefer one over the other. Playability’s about the same. If I ever venture into 8 string territory, fanned frets are gonna be a must.
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The drums are getting a bit overwhelmed for my taste, I would say experiment with a compressor on the master bus to help glue everything together. The overheads are a bit washy, they could use some EQ cuts and a roll off on the top end. The bass is a tad boomy too. Just my opinion, but the guitars sound great man!
I think the point you made about string gauge is key. A thicker string results in more inharmonicity which results in a duller sound (you can simulate this by picking closer to the neck). The reason why tonally they sound similar is the same string gauge, but as you mention it makes playing it very awkward! Great video (and superb playing!).
I’m hearing a stereo effect that either sounds like either two tracks or a slow, stereo chorus(possibly a doubler) in each of these isolated samples. Is that the plugin or is each guitar being double tracked?
Thanks for this explanation......Ok so here's my situation......im looking for a 7 string guitar to okay on drop A or drop g# tuning and mainly chugging riffing nu metal riffs on the lower fat strings........the ONLY CATCH is that ive been playing right handed guitars as a left hander for almost 15 years now and thenfat strings have always been at the lower end of the guitar.......what would you recommend- a 7 string or a multi scale or baritone 6 string?
Oh wow, thats a HUGE catch and won’t work for you at all. Baritones are a different thing entirely, their scale length is so long they sound much tighter to my ears. So you’re looking for a straight fret 7 string guitar if it’s a righty you’re playing left handed. The only thing I’d say is look for something with longer scale length. I say that, the Mayones isn’t long, but people still like the sound of it. I’d just be wary of drop G# on 25.5
I have a chambered, headless, SS fret, ebony 7 string custom ordered Osiris with tons of options by Kiesel. However, that Mayones... I like it. Is it still holding up?
@@LeviClay The Osiris multiscale length compensates so the low B string doesn't have the slack that causes the slight pitch fluctuation that the Mayones had. So, I look at it as more of an extended low range tool, than a "metal only" axe. The soundtrack called for a heavy guitar sound in a couple of spots. Now, I am planning to use heavier strings & lower it down two or three half steps. I'm curious what string gauges you used on your 7-string guitars & if a slightly higher gauge would be better for tuning the thing down, while still being able to easily do bends.
Honestly, the fact that you picked that Ormsby up BY THE BODY with one hand kind of sells me on the Ormsby haha. I know they put out great products, and for them to be that light is incredible.
Great vid ! I am currently on the fence about getting a multiscale. I have an Ibanez JBM 27 but i don't like the tension or the frets span up on the high end. I live in the u.s. it's too bad that music stores don't have any multi-scales on the shelves to try. That said the Ormsby definitely had a deeper low punch!!
I feel like it should be a huge difference. I have SVN and a ESP E-II M-II and the difference in those scale lengths is only 1 inch (PRS 26.5 vs ESP 25.5) and for me it's pretty dramatic. On short scale lengths it feels like my pick gets stuck often because the string is all over the place. Playing on the SVN is more comfortable, and I would go with an even higher scale length. Considering multiscales are like 27 inches they must be even more comfortable.
That's a kick ass riff in the begining! Does this song has a name? I like the sluginess of the loose string on the mayones. I'm on the hunt for a 7 string... considering the new solar model with the roasted maple. It's a 25.5'' scale. maybe thats too low? I'll will probably have to go try out both fanned and regular ones. This was very helpful.
I have an Ormsby Metal V 7 String and i don’t notice the Fan at all. But i have a very thin Pair of strings on it so it has tuning issues.. i think 9-56 or something like that which i don’t like at all. But hey. To be honest i also really want a Mayonnaise Duvel 😍
The Ormsby sounded a bit tighter, but I'm gonna go with the Mayones, that midrange sounded mean af. I'd assume that the Bare Knuckles play a big role on that.
Well, I dunno but I like Orsmby with the looks of their guitars, but their A8 or Blizzard humbucker, that's what I don't like. Here it sounds cool. But raw in front of the amp I dunno
i can hear a slight difference, and to me the mayones sounded better but this probably due to other reasons than the fanned frets...IMHO i'm totally opposite than your opinion, I prefer that SLIGHTLY floopy feel, to me it is easier to play (feeling better) so to say the fanned frets effects tension = effecting more of playability the feel to me, which i don't like it
I'm at the stage of my Guitarcaine addiction where I've gone past considering and desiring a Goliath, I'm at the stage where I need one. Quick, Levi do a really bad job of convincing me not to buy one! Question: Have you always been interested in contemporary Headless guitars? Or are you like me where initially you are disgusted by them and then as they become a more normalised thing they suddenly overtake your mind and now you need one?
Are you sure? Do you really want a guitar that makes you scientifically 63% more attractive and grows your penis by an inch? Seems like a bad idea... :/ That do? I was never disgusted by them, no. They just weren't for me. They're still not my go-to thing, but for the utility they can't be beaten.
@@LeviClay Hmm, you know what I've mulled it over and against my better judgement I think I'm going to get a Goliath. Thank you for your input though. :)
Ormsby has a narrow band scooped in the lower mids, and this is kind of giving it a lower resonant frequency vibe, while Mayones has more even lower frequencies but with a special bite at higher mids. This is more of a character feel for me.
That Mayones tone is savage. Then again, that's what you get from a $3-4K guitar... What's astonishing is the scale. How do the strings being tuned that low not just sag and sound like mush? 🤯 And, yes, I can hear the difference. The Mayones is in its own league.
Ormsby sounds accurately intonated, equal on both channels. Mayones sounds sharp and instable, could just be the performance but it almost sounds out of tune to my ear. I hate the volume button placement on the Goliath though, doesn't work well with playing the higher strings in normal playing position at all!
Kiss Shot Acerola Orion Heart Under Blade Shinobu was that an attempt to be helpful? No shit... a company building guitars with experts hands are going to be higher quality. They’re also over double the price. I know... I have 5 and 6th customshop on order. You might as well be saying “oh, it’s a shame your cheap car breaks down driving you to your job flipping burgers, have you considered getting the new Mercedes?” 😂🤦♂️
@@LeviClay first of all, there's no need to be condescending. I've had cheaper guitars that have been as good as the expensive stuff out there (Ran or Ibanez) and absolut dogshit expensive ones (Gibson or Musicman) oebut in this case I really support Mayones since the multiple experiences I've had with them had been top notch. Second, I was just joking so... no need to be so angry about it.
@@LeviClay if you get a multiscale Mayo... what's not to like? Btw guess it was my bad for not making it more obvious. I prefer subtle stuff to emojis tho.
Sonically I could only hear subtle differences when hearing isolated tracks. As I told you in discord, you and Mike influenced me to get an 8 string Goliath. So glad I did because it’s an absolute winner.
Well articulated, both in speech and playing. Good video!
Loved this video Levi! I've been wanting to get a high end 7 and you have sold me on the Ormsby.
To my ear the Ormsby sounds just a tiny bit brighter. Both of them sound great! Thanks for the vid!
first off, the riffs are great! killer tone. i've been considering multi-scale. thanks for your examples
rock on!
I like fanned fret 8 strings but for 7s I honestly just like a normal 25.5 scale since I play in standard tuning and use a Floyd
I have both straight and fanned 7’s, and honestly I don’t think I prefer one over the other. Playability’s about the same.
If I ever venture into 8 string territory, fanned frets are gonna be a must.
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You got some serious riffs dude, Orsmby for me. That multiscale is perfect. I have 3.
Soooo good man! Epic tones, Leighs drumming is outrageous!!!!
#MEN
Cheers dawg. Nothing without killer riffs though!
This sounds amazing mate, great riffs!
So what should I have done to improve the mix?
The drums are getting a bit overwhelmed for my taste, I would say experiment with a compressor on the master bus to help glue everything together. The overheads are a bit washy, they could use some EQ cuts and a roll off on the top end. The bass is a tad boomy too. Just my opinion, but the guitars sound great man!
Dope riffing! I like the Mayones tone.
I think the point you made about string gauge is key. A thicker string results in more inharmonicity which results in a duller sound (you can simulate this by picking closer to the neck). The reason why tonally they sound similar is the same string gauge, but as you mention it makes playing it very awkward! Great video (and superb playing!).
Thank you!
This was very useful
I’m hearing a stereo effect that either sounds like either two tracks or a slow, stereo chorus(possibly a doubler) in each of these isolated samples. Is that the plugin or is each guitar being double tracked?
Both double tracked
How a multiscale guitar works with the normal scale guitar - for example, if they play in unison and hard panned?
Absolutely no problem, they don’t impact tuning or intonation
@@LeviClay Thanks! Would be happy to watch your video in this regard.
Dude that piece you wrote for the A/B fucking slaps.
Thanks for this explanation......Ok so here's my situation......im looking for a 7 string guitar to okay on drop A or drop g# tuning and mainly chugging riffing nu metal riffs on the lower fat strings........the ONLY CATCH is that ive been playing right handed guitars as a left hander for almost 15 years now and thenfat strings have always been at the lower end of the guitar.......what would you recommend- a 7 string or a multi scale or baritone 6 string?
Oh wow, thats a HUGE catch and won’t work for you at all. Baritones are a different thing entirely, their scale length is so long they sound much tighter to my ears. So you’re looking for a straight fret 7 string guitar if it’s a righty you’re playing left handed. The only thing I’d say is look for something with longer scale length.
I say that, the Mayones isn’t long, but people still like the sound of it. I’d just be wary of drop G# on 25.5
Fanfret7@@LeviClay
I have a chambered, headless, SS fret, ebony 7 string custom ordered Osiris with tons of options by Kiesel. However, that Mayones... I like it. Is it still holding up?
@@frankwashley I actually got rid of it because I just don't play anything close to metal anymore.
@@LeviClay The Osiris multiscale length compensates so the low B string doesn't have the slack that causes the slight pitch fluctuation that the Mayones had. So, I look at it as more of an extended low range tool, than a "metal only" axe. The soundtrack called for a heavy guitar sound in a couple of spots. Now, I am planning to use heavier strings & lower it down two or three half steps. I'm curious what string gauges you used on your 7-string guitars & if a slightly higher gauge would be better for tuning the thing down, while still being able to easily do bends.
Honestly, the fact that you picked that Ormsby up BY THE BODY with one hand kind of sells me on the Ormsby haha. I know they put out great products, and for them to be that light is incredible.
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that's not even using my hand... just my fingers hahaha
Great vid ! I am currently on the fence about getting a multiscale. I have an Ibanez JBM 27 but i don't like the tension or the frets span up on the high end. I live in the u.s. it's too bad that music stores don't have any multi-scales on the shelves to try. That said the Ormsby definitely had a deeper low punch!!
Just went from a JBM27 to an Ormsby multiscale DC7 and I'm loving it!
why is the Goliath slightly flatter than the Mayones? tuning, or is it over the fanned frets?
Tuning - I have no idea why I did that... haha
@@LeviClay ah I see...
Ormsby A8 pickup has more low end, mayones may have a ceramic pickup
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I feel like it should be a huge difference. I have SVN and a ESP E-II M-II and the difference in those scale lengths is only 1 inch (PRS 26.5 vs ESP 25.5) and for me it's pretty dramatic. On short scale lengths it feels like my pick gets stuck often because the string is all over the place. Playing on the SVN is more comfortable, and I would go with an even higher scale length. Considering multiscales are like 27 inches they must be even more comfortable.
In thinking if you stuck those bkp’s in the ormaby youd be onto a right winner
They’re not slanted pickups :(
@@LeviClay truee but im sure you could have a chat with bkp, they may be able to do some, you never know 🤷🏻♂️
That's a kick ass riff in the begining! Does this song has a name?
I like the sluginess of the loose string on the mayones. I'm on the hunt for a 7 string... considering the new solar model with the roasted maple. It's a 25.5'' scale. maybe thats too low? I'll will probably have to go try out both fanned and regular ones. This was very helpful.
Idk if the song has a name but it certainly sounds like the end of the Twelve Foot Ninja song "Shuriken"
It doesn’t have a name, I wrote it for the video... I have never heard that song, but I’ll check it out now!
Both Phrygian, I’ll give you that. But to me I’m way more Symphony X than that - 7/4 baby! 🤟
I have an Ormsby Metal V 7 String and i don’t notice the Fan at all. But i have a very thin Pair of strings on it so it has tuning issues.. i think 9-56 or something like that which i don’t like at all. But hey. To be honest i also really want a Mayonnaise Duvel 😍
Why don't you change the strings if you don't like them?
I got a headless Metal V 7 string, 13, 17, 32w, 42, 52, 68, 80.
The Ormsby sounded a bit tighter, but I'm gonna go with the Mayones, that midrange sounded mean af. I'd assume that the Bare Knuckles play a big role on that.
Are the Mayones and Ormsby using the same string guage in this video?
What pickups are in that Goliath? Hot rock or nunchucker?
what tuning did you use?
Ormsby for me 😊. Thanks!
Well, I dunno but I like Orsmby with the looks of their guitars, but their A8 or Blizzard humbucker, that's what I don't like. Here it sounds cool. But raw in front of the amp I dunno
i can hear a slight difference, and to me the mayones sounded better but this probably due to other reasons than the fanned frets...IMHO i'm totally opposite than your opinion, I prefer that SLIGHTLY floopy feel, to me it is easier to play (feeling better) so to say the fanned frets effects tension = effecting more of playability the feel to me, which i don't like it
I'm at the stage of my Guitarcaine addiction where I've gone past considering and desiring a Goliath, I'm at the stage where I need one.
Quick, Levi do a really bad job of convincing me not to buy one!
Question: Have you always been interested in contemporary Headless guitars? Or are you like me where initially you are disgusted by them and then as they become a more normalised thing they suddenly overtake your mind and now you need one?
Are you sure? Do you really want a guitar that makes you scientifically 63% more attractive and grows your penis by an inch? Seems like a bad idea... :/
That do?
I was never disgusted by them, no. They just weren't for me. They're still not my go-to thing, but for the utility they can't be beaten.
@@LeviClay Hmm, you know what I've mulled it over and against my better judgement I think I'm going to get a Goliath. Thank you for your input though. :)
Ormsby has a narrow band scooped in the lower mids, and this is kind of giving it a lower resonant frequency vibe, while Mayones has more even lower frequencies but with a special bite at higher mids. This is more of a character feel for me.
It seems multi scale has a more accurate intonation to my ears
That Mayones tone is savage. Then again, that's what you get from a $3-4K guitar... What's astonishing is the scale. How do the strings being tuned that low not just sag and sound like mush? 🤯
And, yes, I can hear the difference. The Mayones is in its own league.
Stop acting like you can notice a difference 😂
Amp and pickups are 99% of the tone you’re hearing
🤡
Two uploads in a day? Too kind.
Thy Art is Murder uses 70 for an A string. Sounds fine bro.
Ormsby sounds accurately intonated, equal on both channels. Mayones sounds sharp and instable, could just be the performance but it almost sounds out of tune to my ear. I hate the volume button placement on the Goliath though, doesn't work well with playing the higher strings in normal playing position at all!
Are you trying to get the Mayones in a few videos before you decide to sell it off and buy something else ;)
seems unlikely and I just ordered another one...
Yeah, why not
Well, get a Mayones multiscale and then it would be better. Mayones has a higher quality and more consisntency.
Kiss Shot Acerola Orion Heart Under Blade Shinobu was that an attempt to be helpful? No shit... a company building guitars with experts hands are going to be higher quality. They’re also over double the price. I know... I have 5 and 6th customshop on order.
You might as well be saying “oh, it’s a shame your cheap car breaks down driving you to your job flipping burgers, have you considered getting the new Mercedes?” 😂🤦♂️
@@LeviClay first of all, there's no need to be condescending. I've had cheaper guitars that have been as good as the expensive stuff out there (Ran or Ibanez) and absolut dogshit expensive ones (Gibson or Musicman) oebut in this case I really support Mayones since the multiple experiences I've had with them had been top notch.
Second, I was just joking so... no need to be so angry about it.
Excuse me if I missed the joke... I’m used to a joke coming down to more than just saying things you don’t mean 💁
@@LeviClay if you get a multiscale Mayo... what's not to like?
Btw guess it was my bad for not making it more obvious. I prefer subtle stuff to emojis tho.
Who needs a multi scale Mayo when you have an Evertune True Temperament Mayo? The one true way!
Dude is that a Binding of Isaac tattoo??
Yep
Am I the only one that was expecting mayonnaise in this video?
Damn you must be hungry