I think the reason why people assumed Don't Call Me was live was because of SHINee's reputation of "never" lipsynching or at least being very bad at it. 😂
@@annanowak9620 They have! But usually because the members didn't even try to hide it (i.e., not lifting up their mics to "sing"). I feel like DCM is when they actually took lip syncing semi-seriously and actually tried.
They can obviously but they won't for many reasons. The first weeks of the promotion is when idols are not that comfortable with their songs and can make mistake. And God forbids if a big group make mistake. Besides Aespa has too much hard part to keep while singing. Singing them in studio when thay can pause and repeat is easy but doing all those parts back to back while performing it's not easy. And at the end groups whome their music style heavily rely on high notes, can not do that in every single show back to back or their voice will be damaged. So, overall I'm okey with SM giving them backtrack and make them lip sync time to time.
No worries their fan.meeting fancam proof it they one of the best live perfomers, you can easily find it here in YT, their encore are insane, that's 1000% live
Someone should be clever enough to do MR removed and then pre record removed, that would be cool content. I had seen a few of the MR removed shorts and was like wow they are great live, then I realised it was exactly the same vocals everytime 😑
I knew babymonsters performances were pre recorded except the last week promotions. If i said the performances weren't live babymonster fans would hate me 💀💀💀💀
I always suspected of it too. Especially bcu'z ahyeon high note in all the performances sound the same. Doesn't matter how much powerful is the singer's voice, they can't make the high note sound EXACTLY the same in all of the performances. That doesn't mean i'm hating on them, they are still talented ofc.
The VIDEO of the music shows that were posted using pre recorded audio. But they are singing live. So the comment of "their performance" is kinda incorrect because they were indeed performing live. This is pretty much confirmed by their vlogs that they posted on their channel. And from the "long shoot" of their music shows. You can clearly hear them singing live over the AR. This is the same situation as AESPA who, in many occasions, sing live. But then SM decided to use pre recorded audio instead for the video. So, what does that mean? That mean they perform LIVE, but the video posted are not using the live vocal. All music shows are using pre recorded audio. It's only a matter of whether they use AR (pre-recorded singing, different from studio, sometimes singing over the studio version) or simply the studio version. The only exceptions are two: Encore and Special stage. The reason why I argue with your statement is that your statement can have implication that they don't sing live, since it's pre-recorded. Which is simply incorrect.
boynextdoor actually have mentioned that they've sung live in all performances from debut till now. they practice with hand mics usually because thats what they're comfortable with, and in encores they've also changed a few notes here and there, along with adlib whistiling + changing the lyrics to "onedoor boo my sweetie darling think i love you more" do give them a listen yall! you wont be disappointed
i agree, however recently ive noticed a lot of autotune sounding vocals in their “live performances” kinda sad bc i love their live raw vocals. edit; though i do acknowledge they cant sing live all the time.. def one of my fav bgs this gen
@@annanowak9620respect for wendy, but I stop myself expecting artist to fully sing live on music show after knowing they got paid dust by it 😅 Like if they sing live thats amazing, if they dont no big deal. But if its a paid event, they should.
If you want SM groups to sing live....pay them. easy. music shows pay very little to idols. It's understandable groups won't sing live because of this reason. Besides, they have to reserve their vocals for paid events like concerts etc
@@annanowak9620 girl idols doesn't get paid enough for their performances in music shows, it was alleged that they get paid around $36 and they have to split it. If i were them, i also won't sing live
I love SHINee but why do shawols feel the need to prove that they’re talented?? Everyone knows they’re great, they’re legends, but some shawols act like they’re in the trenches lol. But tbh I’d love to see my fandoms that active, so I guess there’s good and bad
I feel like in several of these that are clearly live (LSF, ATEEZ) it's really clear that either live or post-production autotune has been applied in certain places. I feel like that's another layer of the "is it live" debate we'll see more and more, especially on non-traditional music shows
Autotune and voice smoothing software is used on live vocals all over the music industry (not just Kpop). Mostly to clean up the vocals-and it can affect the perception of whether it’s live or not. Some vocalists are that good live but even the best will have occasional mistakes, voice breaks etc.
There's "live" where it's live ar where you can hear like 20% of their actual in the moment vocals and 80% studio/live ar. The fact about lsf we should all remember is they are the only 4th gen gg who don't upload videos from their recording sessions behind the scenes for their music releases.
@@kimdaniel2601 Lee mujin service has those slight autotuning mics but you can 100% hear the actual live vocals. Safe for the singers but good for the company
@@mimil5338 Lol believe what you want. I'll believe my ears about a group that sounds tone deaf even when they sing-talk their own songs. And none of this is new, live ar is something known in the industry
Babymonster most performances weren't live yg pre-recorded it to create an illusion that they are not lipsyncing like skipping words(metal,sheesh) And ahyeon mouth shape doesn't match with the high note
they use pre recording at some point while singing live as well, that's why you could notice most of the times that their voices are louder, you could notice as well that most of their performances there are video clips that removed background instruments so that you can hear their live voices, watch also their performances at Knowing Bros and their Fanmeet/concert in Japan, it's too obvious that they perform live. Now don't compare your group stans to Babymonster about live performances because Babymonster gonna eat your female group stans alive. Better to research more how talented they are, they were not trained for several years just to use their voices only in recording studios. Accept that fact.
I thought the same with the way she opened her mouth but then saw this. th-cam.com/video/TEesENVFlrE/w-d-xo.html At 3:28 she opens her mouth wide so seems like that is actually how she sings it.
The onf performance is clearly live because it's unedited. And the voice sounds real. Which the previous performances didn't sound like because of backing tracks or lowered mix volume. Like honestly people we can differentiate live stuff trust yourself. You can discern the difference. The thing is while chasing perfection performances lose their authenticity. Which is what we have an issue with
i love you so much for including onf!! they're sooo talented and i just love that their live vocals are crazy good. -- i dont really hear other ktubers or just anyone in general talking about them, so i'm quite glad you decided to talk about them in this video
ahhh finally some onf content in these videos!! they deserve to be hyped up for their amazing live singing and just their artistry in general. truly one of the best groups in kpop and it sucks not a lot of people know them. I hope one day you can do something like a compilation of just onf singing 100% live (and killing it every time)
Kpop companies and music shows are so funny like the give they idols handheld microphones knowing fully well no/not much live vocals will be heard lol.
Not only did aespa lip synced on mnet on top of that the whole stage was messy. If you looked clearly you would notice how their lips won't match with the song. And the biggest reason behind it was probably the fire that broke out on mnet that day.
A FIRE BROKE OUT AT MNET? I knew Winter had lung surgery lately and I was worried about her performing so soon that situation must have been terrible for her omg...
going as far as deliberately adding several details to a set of pre-recorded vocals like that impromptu line of a member abruptly hyping up the audience to create an illusion of a real live instead of just...doing a real live, is just so so incomprehensibly grimy to me. that is literally as soulless as a performance can get. using artistic freedom and integrity as a selling point while only providing facades of those things, insane.
@words-island1011 yeah, i can only feel awful for the girls. yg created an entire pre-debut survival show showcasing the members' talents, artistry, personalities, passion in writing their own music and lyrics (asa 💔) only to erase all of it in exchange for their current flawless and manufactured image. i don't know how a company can be so out of touch with what kpop listeners expect from kpop artists, especially ones from yg.
I'm here for illit and their progress. It hasn't even been 4 months yet after their debut, and i can't wait to witness more of their growth. I hope they won't allow the mean comments disguised as "const. criticism" to affect them.
I usually don't have problems with saying if a performance is pre-recorded or not, but I personally had really huge problems with babymonster and deciding if they're life or not
I think because they know right now they are being compared against other gen girl groups known to not be singing live, they wouldn't have risked Not singing live. I think there is still a backtrack but I'm pretty sure even if it was turned off they would have sang with the same loudness level because they are being held as a bit of a vocal 'golden standard' among the junior groups.l and need to cement that reputation right now at the start. Almost definitely they'll start relying more on backtracks later on in their careers and when some members have hurt vocal cords or something- they are 7, that's bound to happen...
You know why you have problem? Because they are good singer with nice stamina. Idols group if they decide to sing live obviously use backtrack to make their vocals more stable while dancing. If you are good singer you can control your voice this way that backtrack and live voice become pretty much one while audience still would have right impression that you sing live. BM here in Mcountdown had pretty much low backtrack but even lower in Inkyago. You can clearly hear that Chiquita voice at the beginning is not so stable because if her head movements that's why she changed that in Inkyago stage. Also Rora when she stands up she often doesn't sing live first part of her verse but sing the rest. Not sure why op just doesn't show here their fancam lol there is much obvious live there.
Thank god someone talked about sheesh. I went crazy listening to people claiming it was live when it wasn't 💀 Edit: funny how the groups singing live get hate meanwhile the one who don't get praised. I'm mad
Well the way yg artists perform on music show is different from other artists bcz instead of just using studio vocals they also add a layer of pre recorded vocals which makes it quite difficult to differentiate
In IVE's case it's kinda tricky cuz all the music shows have different sound system quality and you can 'hear' it in every single performance. I would think it was live though cuz it seemed to be a progression of getting more comfortable with the song during live. In M countdown they barely sang, in Music Bank they sang a bit more, Music Core was heard almost half of the song live but with heavy backtrack, and finally in Inkigayo was mostly live, loud and clear I could be wrong tho
Yeah right, in this video they were done a little too dirty CZ music core and inkigayo were more clear examples of live stages to use as comparison for the M countdown and music bank one...
@@annanowak9620 well, it's the least to be expected since contrary to other type of singers they also have to dance and make another type of show, so backtrack is needed. There's nothing wrong with using it and even less if we are talking about music shows lol
@@sepulvedavicente backtracks is needed for sure but it's too loud. Too loud that you can't hear the vocals or barely you can hear. This is something that should change in kpop Lowering it would be perfect so we can hear at least their real voices
@@annanowak9620 definitely, but in some cases it's mostly the music show to blame. Some of them use heavy backtracks to hide the bad mixing and quality they have, and it's clear that the group wants to sing live but the music show limits them. Say for example how ONEUS went from decent live vocals in Music Bank to LOUD in Inkigayo with Now last week
Ateez just performed the same song at the University festival. It was definitely live (with backtrack). I do think Immortal songs does not allow lip sync (they do allow back track) but the probably do post editing. Yunho has hella stable vocals though (check out the Halazia encore where he is bouncing on a bouncy ball and singing). Wooyoung’s projection is much better with the hand mic which he’s using all the time now but I feel like sometimes his vocals get over run by back track. The Immortal songs makes me want to check to see if they have a fixed cam version or some fan cams because post editing is rarely done on them for standard music shows.
I don't think they doubted Yunho's ability to sing stably. They're talking about the mic movement. When you caused the mic shakes, no matter how stable the vocal is, there would be any volume inconsistencies which it's not appeared in the clip. Immortal Songs editor probably chose to just edit out that part and cover it with the backtrack, because the original live audio sounds kinda uncomfortable to hear (because the mic make it too shaky). And that's totally fine. That kind of situation doesn't make Ateez as a bad live performer. The thing is that the audiences who watch Immortal Songs are different than the ones who usually watch regular mushows. Those who watch mushows love to hear imperfections bc it's the prove that their faves weren't lipsyncing. But Immortal Songs audiences want their listening experience to be satisfying, that's why their audio editor do a better job than mushows editor.
@@kaylabunnie5283 it's not the same performance btw. In the fixed cam version San just do a little kicking, while in the main clip his leg make a full rotation
@@kaylabunnie5283most of the performances in music shows are like this, the fancams are different than the actually performing, then the fixed 4k version is also different than the fancams of the members and the official version, kpop groups actually perform their songs more than one time in music shows, that's why if they noticed one performance they seemed tired, it's because they basically performed the same song and choreography many time and the version you are currently watching properly is the last one
I remember commenting that the aespa performance looked very prerecorded because everyone in the comment section was legit was praising them for "singing live". The amount of times I got called a hater... A toxic my literally said I was "overanalyzing" and no one has time for that
Something that frustrates me, especially with baemon stans, is that they brag about their live vocals, but when others mention that they might not, in fact, be live at all of their performances, their stans act like ppl are questioning baemon’s talent. Such a strawman argument. Like, it’s possible to be capable of singing live and still not sing live all the time (or at least be edited). And that’s what babymonster did. They sing live often, but not always. That’s a fact, not an attack on babymonster. All groups do it, and baemon isn’t an exception just because they’re from YG. These girls are so talented, but pretending that we’re always hearing them live and unedited is just going to hurt them in the long run. Because when they do concerts some day, people will start saying that their vocals used to be better, their vocals in “sheesh” don’t sound like they used to, etc. because fans can’t tell the difference between live and edited/pre-recorded singing.
I think it goes without saying that slaymixx, sorry nmixx can be trusted to bring insane vocals to the table, LIVE. I've been watching the university festival videos, and omg, I'm in awe. You can tell by watching that they're singing live, and still stable while dancing to their difficult asf choreos. That's not just talent. That's training, passion and dedication! I wonder how they train though, because it working!. I heard Beyonce sings while running on a treadmill to enhance her vocal x dance performance. That's not easy 😢 These girls are so doing so damn well! Nmixx, vocal powerhouse, pride of Korea!
I think considering what is proven in this video of closed, controlled sets still being lip sync heaven, LE SSERAFIM singing 100% live in the desert with their full-blown choreo was a giga-slay. stability issues happen to groups even while they are just two-step, spirit finger dancing with a strong backing track. Maybe the real lesson is do dumbed down girl group level choreo when live and do their real choreo when not.
And the fact that Woonhak was off beat all the time in this performance is because his earpieces stopped working mid performance (you can see that he took it off) so he was singing without hearing himself at all
That time on Jaefriends Taesan litteraly looked at the camera, pointed his finger and said that they never lip synced and were always singing live. And I was like, what am I supposed to say now, that he's lying?😆 I'm saying this because I remember a reddit discussion on BND's performances and everyone in the thread just agreed that they were lip syncing all the time. I mean, I can't be the judge of course, but that discussion was months ago, and Taesan comes and says no we didn't. I'd rather trust that kid.
The fact that BONEXTDOOR Woonhak was off beat all the time in this performance is because his earpieces stopped working mid performance (you can see that he took it off) so he was singing without hearing himself at all
ONF mention!! They've been singing live from their debut days till now since they're a group that focuses a lot on vocals. Thank you soo much for including them❤ To everyone reading this, please support onf and listen to bye my monster (or their whole discography, i promise you won't be dissaponted!)
No offense but seeing bm fans hating on other artists bc they lipsynced or had shaky vocals and comparing bm to other vocalists who are way better then them is so annoying😫 I am not saying girls can’t sing (i need to clarify this bc their fans have an understanding problem, apparently saying they didn’t sing live is equal to they can’t sing…) All those stages and only one of them is barely live. Yet their fans are acting like they are THAT stable??? Sorry but only Nmixx and Mamamoo can sing like the CD version WHILE dancing. They are too delulu too admit it.
Bm vocals are stable, there is no argument in that. But the real problem is their fans are acting like there is no group that can sing and dance live and sound stable like baby monster. They are thinking that baemon are the only group to sing and dance live and have stable vocals. ( No hate to BM )
@@Blinkteumeneverlandbunnycarat sorry but how did you get that they are stable? non of their predebut covers are live, and all those debut stages with only one of them being live, having very loud backtrack, barely hearing them. To call them stable, you need to hear them sing live first (backtrack is acceptable but not too loud) or raw vocals while dancing. So it’s too early to determine wheter they are stable or not. Again not saying they can’t sing but staying neutral is better
@@akedyy4299OMG THANK YOU!! I’ve been trying to explain that only one performance has been live and like you explained the backing track was soooo loud. Why is it hard for fans to discern what’s live and what’s not?? Anyone with the ability to hear could tell but they seem to want to assume that every performance has been live. It’s so frustrating having to even explain this over an over to the smooth brain fans out there!!!
Admit what? Baby monster literally has a video on their channel called '1st music show behind the scenes' and yes it show's them pre recording... like everyone else does on mnet, why do you think Mnet sales tickets for pre recordings every week lmao. the only thing annoying is how people forgot how to live in the real world and just regurgitate things dumb people on social media say's.
Ateez recently performed their Zil Poong Ka Do cover at Yonsei University Festival (on 26th May 2024), and all of them used hand mics. They minimised the dancing when it's their singing part, so all of them sound good and stable. Also, I fully agree that there are post editings even in Immortal Songs because some parts sounded too polished(?) to me, so that's why I prefer and recommend watching their performance at Yonsei :)
The standard of some kpop fans is insane. they demand stable voices while doing the whole choreo. It's not possible. Anyone would be like LSF on Coachella week 1 if they perform lot of songs without any backtracks or autotune while doing the whole choreo. that's why live performances with choreo every kpop group use backtracks, vocal splits, lip sync. they only sing the parts where the choreo don't have lot of movements. the parts they can sing confidently without shaking. Or the person who is singing in that moment won't dance or reduce movements while others continue the choreo (This is how Ateez did it in coachella and the last group in this video did). And in LSF second week at coachella, you can clearly see that they had reduced the choreo movements and intensity to prevent getting tired. And they used the backtracks. (don't know why it was so low on week 1. couldn't even hear it) this is how it has been since the beginning and will be forever. It will be so perfect everyone understand this like you. thanks for sharing
no cs so far babymonster, FOR ME, is most definitely one of the most talented groups in 5th gen. like theyre QUITE LITERALLY so good at singing live that i dont even get why THEYRE NOT ALLOWED TO SING LIVE MOST OF THE TIME. also i saw a clip of babymonster members singing with absolute raw vocals and THEY WERE SOOO GOOD.
All music shows are using pre recorded audio. It's only a matter of whether they use AR (pre-recorded singing, different from studio, sometimes singing over the studio version) or simply the studio version. The only exceptions are two: Encore and Special stage. Which they usually arrange differently. Some still use AR, some 100% live. My issue is this: "oH, tHiS vIDeO iS pRe rEcOrDeD, sO tHeY mUsT bE lYpSyNC". Nope. They can still sing LIVE when they do the performance. Even though later on the music show or the company decided to edited the video using pre-recorded vocal. Some people use this argument to look down on the groups are just simply ridiculous, esp for groups that have proven again and again that they are more than capable of singing live. As If it's a "gatcha" moment. 🙄 So, yep. Those performance CAN BE LIVE. The video was CLEARLY EDITED ^^
This video just shows that it’s sometimes OK to have imperfections in a live performance, it gives the performance character and life, it’s one of the reasons I like hearing iroha sing in magnetic, you can always hear the sounds from her performing, it’s so cool! Thanks for this video, it helps me differentiate live from lip sync better 🫶
@@horizonkyun7203 clock it lmaoo. they keep talking about inkigayo but that was the LAST performance they ever had and also the only one they ever performed live. all of the performances that got praised were 100% lipped
For me i dont have problem with lipsyncing on music show. I dont really see the need to singing live, they pre recorded it from morning, 4 times a week or even 6 times. And theres not many live audience.
I would agree if most groups wouldn't also lip-sync on every other performance stages like even on the west or their mma/mamas award shows, so this like an excuse to me now😔
A little note if anyone wants to hear NMIXX without backtrack or even instrumental, the music stopped during one of their Dice performances recently (240527 for the date).
Yeah they did because exactly the same trick did BM on their fan meeting. Few days ago Tws on University festivals. And now Nmixx. Interesting that all groups are vocal lol. But that's really old marketing trick.
@@mio26k82I mean you can go to the older dice performances their was one at a music festival where Haewon and Lily messed up the run for the high note
@@asurafire5386 it's not that I'm saying that there performance is not live but that all "fuckups" of all these groups are obviously planned to flex live vocals. Marketing move in other words. It's nothing wrong with it except that it's old trick that public know pretty well.
@@mio26k82 I mean I guess that’s fair but some mistakes are unavoidable and going as far back as SNSD and even further back to SES people made mistakes that weren’t planned. Some mistakes are probably planned but I can’t assume that for every mistake because that just feels disingenuous
I don't blame any artist, the reason why many groups that know how to sing lipsync is because of the fans' demands to be perfect, this has become very toxic, why not just worry about enjoying the performances instead of obsessing and Point out every mistake. Do we do everything perfectly in every area of our lives?
Congrats on your moren than 20K Subs, bestie! Also, yeah... most of them sing mostly live (LSF, ILLIT, ONF, ATEEZ, BND, NMIXX & BBM). I love shakey & imperfect vocals!
My suggestion is to go and watch the "fancam"/직캠 that the same shows upload either in the same channel or a secondary one (they can be the general ones for the whole group or the ones focused on a specific member). These are the recordings of just one camera and it has the raw audio from said camera. In many of these shows, there is a post-production or real-time filter on, therefore the singing + track tends to sound more combined and even. Sometimes in the performances, you can barely hear the live singing, but if you check these fancams it is more noticeable that there are 2 different sounds. You should be able to detects if there is a track + mics, because both sound different in quality, volume, and so on. I would best describe it as the backtrack feeling in the back (lol) whereas the mics sound more present, prominent, and in the front. Even if it is a realistic pre-recording that isn't actually live (but sounds live because it was technically recorded live beforehand), this prerecorded track will sound in the back as well (the same as the original track, the back-track or an instrumental). You should be able to notice the parts (usually choruses, high notes, or hard choreo parts) where someone sings just a portion and lets the backtrack do the rest. This is something that happens a lot in shows like masked singer, immortal song, produce 101, boys/girls planet, and the like, where the artist might sing pretty live with "imperfections", yet the transmission has post-production effect or live effect that smoothes and corrects the sound. If you're a fan of survival shows like boys/girls planet, I highly recommend you to check the 직캠, especially for the auditions.
This was a fun video. Thanks for the analysis! Also, thanks for including onf at the end, I've never heard of them before, but that song has such a nice chord progression, vocal melodies, and the strings omg 😭 ?! It sounds so nostalgic like a 2nd gen kpop song.
IVE most definitely sings live most of their performances, they just sing over a backtrack which most kpop groups do. Some parts might be too low for the MR to pick up. Them singing live is especially evident if you listen to their Heya performance. From what I hear in the MR removed they sing certain parts and then rely on the backtrack for certain parts.
I think part of the backtrack problem is in the music shows. They either play it too loud or they will do a post edit so the backtrack is more prominent. I find watching the fixed cam and fan cams is often a better way to see if a group is live because most shows don’t post edit the vocals.
They can sing however they want because the backrack will do its job (for all artists I mean). Thye know they will be saved by backtracks because their voices can ve hardly hear. Ehh it would be nice if they could banish backtracks or lower it
@@annanowak9620 I don’t have an issue with backtrack provided it isn’t so loud you can’t hear vocals. I think some songs don’t need backtrack-eg a song where vocalists aren’t dancing.
@@kimdaniel2601 for me the biggest problem is that kpop fans are used to loud backtracks and they think they idol always sings perfectly live. Eh for me this isnt okay. And unfortunately the backtrack is always loud. Always louder than the artist real voice. You can barely hear it
Guys, music shows need to be recorded a lot of times to show every angle of the member of the group. Which means they will have one live performance and the rest are pre-recorded voice. Next is the editing part, so the uploaded video will be a mix of live performance and pre-recorded voice. So you would notice, that some parts look live and some parts are lip-sync.
wait I’ve never been so early 🤔 edit: thank god my feelings (and my ears) were validated 3:41 this ahyeon clip was going viral and everyone praising her live vocal then I said “guys it’s not live” and bunch of toxic ppl answered “are u deaf?” guys I acknowledge she has great voice but that specific clip doesn’t represent her great voice since it isn’t live. let’s not lie
THANK YOU omg like yes baemon is v talented but my irls kept fighting w me over this and i was like 😭please how can you look at that part and say its 100% live
Because unfortunately people that claim anyone is live on Mnet are just as dumb as the people who think companies or groups are trying to fool anyone, First off ALL Mnet performances are pre recorded, which is why they sale Pre recording tickets every week, secondly Mnet and Baby Monster have videos showing them pre recording, On Baby Monsters channel the video is called '1st music show behind the scenes' boom mystery solved.. Pretty Easy
One thing is for sure if its nmixx and live vocals +dance you can and surely can trust it like why did you even think that they can't sing live 😭💀💀💀oh jesus what have I even said
It really annoys me when fans worship a groups 'live vocals' when it's obviously pre-recorded. Like pre recorded vocals are not necessarily bad, but it's when people insist that it's live and won't listen to anyone else it becomes agitating.
the struggles with baemon are real, because i've been trying to tell the deaf portion of their fandom for months that they don't sing live even if you hear it on MR Removed (which is truly my worst enemy when it comes to distinguishing live vs lip synching). like i'm not saying the girls aren't talented, i've followed them since BM was announced but there is absolutely no way the stages are live but their fans always hate on me 😭
Ahyeon always opens her mouth like that for the high note tho. You can see it in the radio show, in “it’s live!” and in many other performances where she is 100% singing live
i love the shinee inclusion here cus no matter how amazing their vocals are, there's no question that they also lip sync pretty often, esp in recent years. the way i think abt it is that theyve been in the industry for so long and sang live thousands of times, so it's not like they have to "prove" their talent anymore. and knowing SM, we shouldnt be surprised that their live stages aren't really live
also if you're looking for another nugu group with great live vocals i totally recommend 82major. their live stage for Choke on Music Bank (the one with the red outfits) was really impressive imo, and just like onf, they used the backtrack very wisely
I’m really into these types of videos, I’m a blink, ARMY, and probably a babymonster Stan (if u could say), I don’t have any problems with these things, and there is no need to be scared about posting things like this when u point something out as long as it has evidence. 4 me, it’s like 4th gen groups till now have ruined kpop 4 me. From 1st gen till 3rd gen there were really rare usages of lip syncing or anything that does to manipulate voices or anything (I could be wrong), I was actually not surprised at all if any kpop group lip syncs at this point, I find it quite funny and amusing when idols lip sync / pre record while other people are attacking or defending their idol groups for it; it’s tough in the long run but u get used it as time goes by. The dark world in kpop culture can be too much, harsh, hateful, and unbearable but if u can pull through, u are going to learn a lot more to what’s to come (this is 4 u newbies to kpop); I’ve been a huge fan of BTS & BLACKPINK since 2017 so no surprise about whether a kpop group is singing a live performance or not, Just my opinion, 4th gen isn’t really 4 me.
When was the last time SM group even sang live and why we still call this company power house vocals? If someone is scared to sing live then he is not a good singer for me. What is really interesting is that San from ateez (and whoever wants to check to go and play ANY of his famcams ) is not singing live AT All since 2020 (maybe even before this) and the weirdest part of all is that he is having a lot a lot of lines. He is often lip syncing his lines or just chant/shout them. And is not only him in the group (but his case is severe). 5 out of 8 members 98% of live performances are not singing live. How they got the image of live singing group?
@@editname2391 you are doomed if you think like that. They are SINGERS their work is to SING. This is the reason they are training for years not to pretend sing when they are on stage (everyone can do that and if they gonna do it all the time what's the reason they are training?)Music shows are literally giving them the opportunity to get new fans and bring a crowd to their future concerts. Do you think me seeing them lip syncing on a music show will make me their fan and buy a ticket for their own show? Is not working like that. The only thing they are showing is laziness and insecurity in their own singing abilities and talent. Which tells me enough about their so called "talent". If you are here not to be a fan of singers but only for the looks and dancing maybe you should try to pay attention to dancers or actors
@@vali3025girl singer also should protect their vocal tone. especially aespa showing here. they had to work start at dawn pre record shit until afternoon (just like other idols) and go straight to festival (where they sang live there)
oh baby maybe you should know lipsync exist to keep singer vocal chord healthy (since that's literally their asset). if they can sing, lipsync or not they're still can singing.
Not really lol, Mnet always pre records, which is why they sale tickets to pre-recordings, Oh and not to mention Baby monster has a video on the channel called '1st music show behind the scenes' and Mnet has a Behind the scenes also, both show them Pre recording. soooo yeah there is that. mystery solved lol
@@Suranda68 Which means what? Pointing out real info isn't allowed at 20k specials? And how are you calling anyone Einstein when you are congratulating, complimenting and thanking someone that is doing nothing but fueling continues drama within fandoms? And here I thought people learning something was a good thing, guess I'm old fashioned.
Thank you! I get crucified for saying -enhanced live performance- autotune is just beyond some people’s comprehension. The more perfect the less likely no enhancements were used I think. So these fandoms screaming perfect live performance are actually unversed on how technology works now a days. I’ve seen a music video played and fans swearing they were live. I do agree they were alive at that moment..It’s kinda unfortunate. Thank you! Great video!
I wish we could just be okay with lip singing for EVERYONE. We pick and choose who it’s okay to lipsing for or act in denial I support everyone who chooses to lip sing on these weekly sometimes DAILY shows. It’s a lot of work it’s like constantly being on tour and they do so much dancing not even Beyoncé could keep up. Second gen idols could do it cus their choreography was so much easier and they could stop dancing to sing and no one would complain.
ive sang live a LOT for heya, theres many performances you can watch eg their university festival performances or their first mcountdown stage for heya. makes sense why they gave it a break for accendio and im glad. they are continuing their world tour soon and i cant wait to hear accendio live there where they are probably much more comfortable and more well rested! maybe biased but ive will always be one of my most favorite performers in kpop ever for their live singing, stage presence and dancing.
Thank you for clarifying the BM one because when I said that it wasn't live (for the ones that weren't Inkigayo), I got attacked to actual filth... Ahyeons mouth was way too open for it to be live, but people continued to call me a hater. The girls can sing, but it's okay to admit not everything was live.
@@Parpndn12344 Oh girl 🥱🥱 Here yall come. I’m fully aware that there were multiple takes, but none of them were still live. I mean certain performances, they sing over the backtrack, but for the performances I AM talking about, they’re not live. I’m so tired of fans gaslighting people into believing their favs were singing live when they weren’t. Multiple cuts or not, she wasn’t singing live AND definitely not that high note.
You can tell a few groups suffer from edited performances for youtube. While audiences will always be able to tell if a group is singing or mot cause theyll hear it. A youtube video can easily have autotuned vocals or mixed backtracks thus making it hard to tell if its lip sync or not. Sometimes its a mix like lesserafims case some its just lip sync in aespas case
kinda weird for some stans, but i absolutely LOVE when i hear a breathy or shaky voice when an idol is performing. it shows that they're trying and that they are giving their all when performing. im also really really proud of le sserafim and illit. after all of their criticism, they still have these stages where they DO actually sing but haters only look at the clips where they aren't singing.
With current kpop, I only trust festival fancams for the performance to even qualify to be judged as live or not because of all the post-production editing that goes on nowadays. Even then, if the group isn’t Nmixx I’m still somewhat suspicious of what might be live or not. Hopefully, authentic kpop performers continue to pressure the the lipsync/edit fakes into improving and/or dropping the fake acts.
3:53 BABYMONS7ER always is solid and slays, u made a mistake listen to them not this video i mean just go hear it from somewhere u got this one from idk i forgot it but if u listen carefully they r singing.
Thank you soooo much for bring up the fact Babymonster is like everyon, even if they are great singers sometimes they do lip sync, and it’s not bad, it’s just A FACT !! Cause I was tired of seeing so many edits saying they are allergic to lip sync and things like that, and when I would say that, first it’s a little bit early to assume something like that since they are just debuting…, and second, it’s not true cause it already happened they did lip sync, bruh, people where attacking me so hard saying crazy things, like it’s unbelievable that Babymonster will do that, and the ongoing situation concerning HYBE isn’t helping it… So yeah, thank you, I hope it will people to open their eyes. People have to understand why and most importantly « when » lip sync is bad, cause there are many performances when it’s not a big deal to lip sync, like in pro shows: Mnet, Inkigayo, etc… and on mostly every TV show and events performances, or when some of the members have a small sick. Other than that, in concerts, festivals, etc, lip sync is disrespectful too your audience, people pay too hear you sing your songs and you don’t … no one should agree with that
Finally this series back 😢 personally would love for you to have analysed Kiss of life midas touch because sometimes I can’t tell if belle is singing the adlibs / high notes live or not 😅
@@immastanthat by the way, I've heard a few of IVE's Accendio performances including this one, and it seems that they only let Yunjin and Leeseo sing a few lines. The others where truly either the official studio version or just pre recorded vocals. But you can clearly hear how shaky Yunjins voice is in some lines, especial for the lower "out of control part". Its funny that they let her sing that hard part (as a singer myself I feel like thats the most inconvenient part of the song to sing live xD i would actually allow a backing track for that part lol)
so happy you showed beamon, the comments on their mr removed are always complimenting for their live vocals while you can literally see their mouths close while the vocals are still there 😭 simultaneously people are hating on other groups for their live vocals and calling them out on performing with pre recorDed vocals
The Babymonster part was live, there is no post editing, there is a live recorded backtrack running, just supporting them, they always sing over it and the part with rami, she is just really stable. Best vocal talent in a while🔥❤️
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It’s really refreshing watching someone who understands what they’re talking about when it comes to lip sync. Thank you!
I think the reason why people assumed Don't Call Me was live was because of SHINee's reputation of "never" lipsynching or at least being very bad at it. 😂
But tbh they've been caught sometimes for not singing live 😆😆
@@annanowak9620 They have! But usually because the members didn't even try to hide it (i.e., not lifting up their mics to "sing"). I feel like DCM is when they actually took lip syncing semi-seriously and actually tried.
i wish shinee performed don't call me live on music shows at least once! and aespa with supernova :') but their encore stages were nice!
They are from sm duh . Sm usually made their groups lip sync atleast in rookie days@@annanowak9620
That one clip where Onew holds the mic upside down during some concert lmaoo they do suck at lipsyncing
Like Aespa can sing SM LET AESPA SING LIVE
They can obviously but they won't for many reasons. The first weeks of the promotion is when idols are not that comfortable with their songs and can make mistake. And God forbids if a big group make mistake. Besides Aespa has too much hard part to keep while singing. Singing them in studio when thay can pause and repeat is easy but doing all those parts back to back while performing it's not easy. And at the end groups whome their music style heavily rely on high notes, can not do that in every single show back to back or their voice will be damaged. So, overall I'm okey with SM giving them backtrack and make them lip sync time to time.
they sing a lot of times dude
Kpop don't need to live always
when it comes to music shows i dont mind but they do sing live outside of music shows like festivals and their concerts
Ikrr!! Just see their perfect vocal on Supernova encore, it's so *chef kiss🔥
Thank you for discussing baby monster we all know those girls can sing but majority of their music show performances were prerecorded
No worries their fan.meeting fancam proof it they one of the best live perfomers, you can easily find it here in YT, their encore are insane, that's 1000% live
Someone should be clever enough to do MR removed and then pre record removed, that would be cool content.
I had seen a few of the MR removed shorts and was like wow they are great live, then I realised it was exactly the same vocals everytime 😑
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING BUT EVERYONE CAME FOR ME WHEN IT WAS OBVIOUS
True. BM sounds the same throughout their performances. No doubt their good but yg does a lot of pre recorded gimmicks
Doesn't matter when they singing on Fanmeets without any Backtrack
I knew babymonsters performances were pre recorded except the last week promotions. If i said the performances weren't live babymonster fans would hate me 💀💀💀💀
Ikr literally it's a lose-lose situation
I always suspected of it too. Especially bcu'z ahyeon high note in all the performances sound the same. Doesn't matter how much powerful is the singer's voice, they can't make the high note sound EXACTLY the same in all of the performances.
That doesn't mean i'm hating on them, they are still talented ofc.
THIS
The VIDEO of the music shows that were posted using pre recorded audio. But they are singing live. So the comment of "their performance" is kinda incorrect because they were indeed performing live.
This is pretty much confirmed by their vlogs that they posted on their channel. And from the "long shoot" of their music shows. You can clearly hear them singing live over the AR.
This is the same situation as AESPA who, in many occasions, sing live. But then SM decided to use pre recorded audio instead for the video.
So, what does that mean? That mean they perform LIVE, but the video posted are not using the live vocal.
All music shows are using pre recorded audio. It's only a matter of whether they use AR (pre-recorded singing, different from studio, sometimes singing over the studio version) or simply the studio version.
The only exceptions are two: Encore and Special stage.
The reason why I argue with your statement is that your statement can have implication that they don't sing live, since it's pre-recorded. Which is simply incorrect.
But they can sing live
boynextdoor actually have mentioned that they've sung live in all performances from debut till now. they practice with hand mics usually because thats what they're comfortable with, and in encores they've also changed a few notes here and there, along with adlib whistiling + changing the lyrics to "onedoor boo my sweetie darling think i love you more"
do give them a listen yall! you wont be disappointed
Yeah they're are really good at encores and they're like my favorite kpop bg rn but I wish the backtrack was not that loud in their music show stages
like I'm so proud my Bois can sing properly and aren't afraid of it 🥲
Fr im so proud bonekdu
i agree, however recently ive noticed a lot of autotune sounding vocals in their “live performances” kinda sad bc i love their live raw vocals.
edit; though i do acknowledge they cant sing live all the time.. def one of my fav bgs this gen
hybe boy groups sing really well
Despite the ongoing SM groups not singing live (including RV Chill Kill comeback), at least Wendy’s comeback (Wish you hell) is truly live.
Aespa sang live on the university festivals.
@@vixxexo6855but not in music shows
And many festivals are also not live nd just few are live (+backtrack)
Wendy is a true artist . Respect
@@annanowak9620respect for wendy, but I stop myself expecting artist to fully sing live on music show after knowing they got paid dust by it 😅
Like if they sing live thats amazing, if they dont no big deal.
But if its a paid event, they should.
If you want SM groups to sing live....pay them. easy. music shows pay very little to idols. It's understandable groups won't sing live because of this reason. Besides, they have to reserve their vocals for paid events like concerts etc
@@annanowak9620 girl idols doesn't get paid enough for their performances in music shows, it was alleged that they get paid around $36 and they have to split it. If i were them, i also won't sing live
thank you for validating my shinee 2021 struggle.............
i didnt understand, was it live or not? 😭
@@leena6743 it wasnt! it's kinda a meme/running joke now that sm artists performed live during lockdown very rarely
@@leena6743 it wasn’t!
I love SHINee but why do shawols feel the need to prove that they’re talented?? Everyone knows they’re great, they’re legends, but some shawols act like they’re in the trenches lol. But tbh I’d love to see my fandoms that active, so I guess there’s good and bad
@leena6743 Don't call me was completely prerecorded but the 2nd week of Hard promotions was live (w backtrack)
I feel like in several of these that are clearly live (LSF, ATEEZ) it's really clear that either live or post-production autotune has been applied in certain places. I feel like that's another layer of the "is it live" debate we'll see more and more, especially on non-traditional music shows
Autotune and voice smoothing software is used on live vocals all over the music industry (not just Kpop). Mostly to clean up the vocals-and it can affect the perception of whether it’s live or not. Some vocalists are that good live but even the best will have occasional mistakes, voice breaks etc.
There's "live" where it's live ar where you can hear like 20% of their actual in the moment vocals and 80% studio/live ar. The fact about lsf we should all remember is they are the only 4th gen gg who don't upload videos from their recording sessions behind the scenes for their music releases.
@@kimdaniel2601 Lee mujin service has those slight autotuning mics but you can 100% hear the actual live vocals. Safe for the singers but good for the company
@@pikachu7572How is this relevant? The performance was clearly live with the exception of KZH's and CW's runs which they don't even lipsync to
@@mimil5338 Lol believe what you want. I'll believe my ears about a group that sounds tone deaf even when they sing-talk their own songs. And none of this is new, live ar is something known in the industry
Babymonster most performances weren't live yg pre-recorded it to create an illusion that they are not lipsyncing like skipping words(metal,sheesh)
And ahyeon mouth shape doesn't match with the high note
but the hand mic one was live right?
Watch Babymonster performances with live band, those are live.
they use pre recording at some point while singing live as well, that's why you could notice most of the times that their voices are louder, you could notice as well that most of their performances there are video clips that removed background instruments so that you can hear their live voices, watch also their performances at Knowing Bros and their Fanmeet/concert in Japan, it's too obvious that they perform live. Now don't compare your group stans to Babymonster about live performances because Babymonster gonna eat your female group stans alive. Better to research more how talented they are, they were not trained for several years just to use their voices only in recording studios. Accept that fact.
I thought the same with the way she opened her mouth but then saw this.
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At 3:28 she opens her mouth wide so seems like that is actually how she sings it.
Yeah none were live their fans are too naive to think ....
The onf performance is clearly live because it's unedited. And the voice sounds real. Which the previous performances didn't sound like because of backing tracks or lowered mix volume. Like honestly people we can differentiate live stuff trust yourself. You can discern the difference. The thing is while chasing perfection performances lose their authenticity. Which is what we have an issue with
i love you so much for including onf!! they're sooo talented and i just love that their live vocals are crazy good. -- i dont really hear other ktubers or just anyone in general talking about them, so i'm quite glad you decided to talk about them in this video
ahhh finally some onf content in these videos!! they deserve to be hyped up for their amazing live singing and just their artistry in general. truly one of the best groups in kpop and it sucks not a lot of people know them. I hope one day you can do something like a compilation of just onf singing 100% live (and killing it every time)
thanks for the onf mention!!! They are amazing vocalists!!!!
Kpop companies and music shows are so funny like the give they idols handheld microphones knowing fully well no/not much live vocals will be heard lol.
For Supernova, I just watch their university performances. Honestly SM treats music shows like nothing
Not only did aespa lip synced on mnet on top of that the whole stage was messy. If you looked clearly you would notice how their lips won't match with the song. And the biggest reason behind it was probably the fire that broke out on mnet that day.
A FIRE BROKE OUT AT MNET? I knew Winter had lung surgery lately and I was worried about her performing so soon that situation must have been terrible for her omg...
@@mimil5338 yeah. They said no one got hurt. That's what matters the most.
going as far as deliberately adding several details to a set of pre-recorded vocals like that impromptu line of a member abruptly hyping up the audience to create an illusion of a real live instead of just...doing a real live, is just so so incomprehensibly grimy to me. that is literally as soulless as a performance can get. using artistic freedom and integrity as a selling point while only providing facades of those things, insane.
@words-island1011 yeah, i can only feel awful for the girls. yg created an entire pre-debut survival show showcasing the members' talents, artistry, personalities, passion in writing their own music and lyrics (asa 💔) only to erase all of it in exchange for their current flawless and manufactured image. i don't know how a company can be so out of touch with what kpop listeners expect from kpop artists, especially ones from yg.
I'm here for illit and their progress. It hasn't even been 4 months yet after their debut, and i can't wait to witness more of their growth. I hope they won't allow the mean comments disguised as "const. criticism" to affect them.
yes I love ILLIT iwant them to be successfull
I usually don't have problems with saying if a performance is pre-recorded or not, but I personally had really huge problems with babymonster and deciding if they're life or not
are you really questining a yg group
i think they were live, but the post editing was crazy
I think because they know right now they are being compared against other gen girl groups known to not be singing live, they wouldn't have risked Not singing live. I think there is still a backtrack but I'm pretty sure even if it was turned off they would have sang with the same loudness level because they are being held as a bit of a vocal 'golden standard' among the junior groups.l and need to cement that reputation right now at the start. Almost definitely they'll start relying more on backtracks later on in their careers and when some members have hurt vocal cords or something- they are 7, that's bound to happen...
You know why you have problem? Because they are good singer with nice stamina. Idols group if they decide to sing live obviously use backtrack to make their vocals more stable while dancing. If you are good singer you can control your voice this way that backtrack and live voice become pretty much one while audience still would have right impression that you sing live. BM here in Mcountdown had pretty much low backtrack but even lower in Inkyago. You can clearly hear that Chiquita voice at the beginning is not so stable because if her head movements that's why she changed that in Inkyago stage. Also Rora when she stands up she often doesn't sing live first part of her verse but sing the rest. Not sure why op just doesn't show here their fancam lol there is much obvious live there.
I watched one of the performances live (online) and I could hear Ruka's breathing at one point. So yes, some of them were live.
i definitely understand lip synching at music shows as they have to record it multiple times to get all the camera work and angles
Thank god someone talked about sheesh. I went crazy listening to people claiming it was live when it wasn't 💀
Edit: funny how the groups singing live get hate meanwhile the one who don't get praised. I'm mad
Well the way yg artists perform on music show is different from other artists bcz instead of just using studio vocals they also add a layer of pre recorded vocals which makes it quite difficult to differentiate
Bcz even tho..bm didn't sing live they are stable but the other who always sing live isn't stable.
Inkigayo one was live
@@pratimakhasu9281 💀💀💀💀
Read what you wrote again please. They're not singing, OF COURSE IT'S FREAKING STABLE
@@nadamadani9137 radio show was live and it was freaking stable
In IVE's case it's kinda tricky cuz all the music shows have different sound system quality and you can 'hear' it in every single performance. I would think it was live though cuz it seemed to be a progression of getting more comfortable with the song during live. In M countdown they barely sang, in Music Bank they sang a bit more, Music Core was heard almost half of the song live but with heavy backtrack, and finally in Inkigayo was mostly live, loud and clear I could be wrong tho
Yeah right, in this video they were done a little too dirty CZ music core and inkigayo were more clear examples of live stages to use as comparison for the M countdown and music bank one...
These kpop idols (all) are lucky that the backtracks are always there.
@@annanowak9620 well, it's the least to be expected since contrary to other type of singers they also have to dance and make another type of show, so backtrack is needed. There's nothing wrong with using it and even less if we are talking about music shows lol
@@sepulvedavicente backtracks is needed for sure but it's too loud. Too loud that you can't hear the vocals or barely you can hear. This is something that should change in kpop
Lowering it would be perfect so we can hear at least their real voices
@@annanowak9620 definitely, but in some cases it's mostly the music show to blame. Some of them use heavy backtracks to hide the bad mixing and quality they have, and it's clear that the group wants to sing live but the music show limits them. Say for example how ONEUS went from decent live vocals in Music Bank to LOUD in Inkigayo with Now last week
Ateez just performed the same song at the University festival. It was definitely live (with backtrack). I do think Immortal songs does not allow lip sync (they do allow back track) but the probably do post editing. Yunho has hella stable vocals though (check out the Halazia encore where he is bouncing on a bouncy ball and singing).
Wooyoung’s projection is much better with the hand mic which he’s using all the time now but I feel like sometimes his vocals get over run by back track.
The Immortal songs makes me want to check to see if they have a fixed cam version or some fan cams because post editing is rarely done on them for standard music shows.
Yes, KBS did release a 4K Fixed Cam version...it sounds different than the original release.
I don't think they doubted Yunho's ability to sing stably. They're talking about the mic movement. When you caused the mic shakes, no matter how stable the vocal is, there would be any volume inconsistencies which it's not appeared in the clip. Immortal Songs editor probably chose to just edit out that part and cover it with the backtrack, because the original live audio sounds kinda uncomfortable to hear (because the mic make it too shaky). And that's totally fine. That kind of situation doesn't make Ateez as a bad live performer. The thing is that the audiences who watch Immortal Songs are different than the ones who usually watch regular mushows. Those who watch mushows love to hear imperfections bc it's the prove that their faves weren't lipsyncing. But Immortal Songs audiences want their listening experience to be satisfying, that's why their audio editor do a better job than mushows editor.
@@kaylabunnie5283 it's not the same performance btw. In the fixed cam version San just do a little kicking, while in the main clip his leg make a full rotation
@@kaylabunnie5283most of the performances in music shows are like this, the fancams are different than the actually performing, then the fixed 4k version is also different than the fancams of the members and the official version, kpop groups actually perform their songs more than one time in music shows, that's why if they noticed one performance they seemed tired, it's because they basically performed the same song and choreography many time and the version you are currently watching properly is the last one
Thankgod being BOYNEXTDOOR STAN ain't regretting staning this group
They have been singing since debut
Are talented also
I remember commenting that the aespa performance looked very prerecorded because everyone in the comment section was legit was praising them for "singing live". The amount of times I got called a hater... A toxic my literally said I was "overanalyzing" and no one has time for that
Something that frustrates me, especially with baemon stans, is that they brag about their live vocals, but when others mention that they might not, in fact, be live at all of their performances, their stans act like ppl are questioning baemon’s talent. Such a strawman argument. Like, it’s possible to be capable of singing live and still not sing live all the time (or at least be edited). And that’s what babymonster did. They sing live often, but not always. That’s a fact, not an attack on babymonster. All groups do it, and baemon isn’t an exception just because they’re from YG. These girls are so talented, but pretending that we’re always hearing them live and unedited is just going to hurt them in the long run. Because when they do concerts some day, people will start saying that their vocals used to be better, their vocals in “sheesh” don’t sound like they used to, etc. because fans can’t tell the difference between live and edited/pre-recorded singing.
There's nothing more to say... NMIXX vocal prowess is really impressive.
I think it goes without saying that slaymixx, sorry nmixx can be trusted to bring insane vocals to the table, LIVE.
I've been watching the university festival videos, and omg, I'm in awe. You can tell by watching that they're singing live, and still stable while dancing to their difficult asf choreos.
That's not just talent. That's training, passion and dedication!
I wonder how they train though, because it working!. I heard Beyonce sings while running on a treadmill to enhance her vocal x dance performance. That's not easy 😢
These girls are so doing so damn well!
Nmixx, vocal powerhouse, pride of Korea!
I think considering what is proven in this video of closed, controlled sets still being lip sync heaven, LE SSERAFIM singing 100% live in the desert with their full-blown choreo was a giga-slay. stability issues happen to groups even while they are just two-step, spirit finger dancing with a strong backing track.
Maybe the real lesson is do dumbed down girl group level choreo when live and do their real choreo when not.
riwoo and leehan's "voice cracks" from the ew&f stages are actually the note changes
And the fact that Woonhak was off beat all the time in this performance is because his earpieces stopped working mid performance (you can see that he took it off) so he was singing without hearing himself at all
yeah riwoo's was an adlib
That time on Jaefriends Taesan litteraly looked at the camera, pointed his finger and said that they never lip synced and were always singing live. And I was like, what am I supposed to say now, that he's lying?😆 I'm saying this because I remember a reddit discussion on BND's performances and everyone in the thread just agreed that they were lip syncing all the time. I mean, I can't be the judge of course, but that discussion was months ago, and Taesan comes and says no we didn't. I'd rather trust that kid.
Plus THEY CAN SING BRO 😺
no one's talking about nmixx cmonn
4:49 bnd always sing live as always proud of them i hope they got more recognition bcoz they deserve..
Dont tell the Babymon fans that they lipsync, they were already fooled into thinking these girls are Coachella ready ☠️☠️☠️
babymonster you always be famous 😍
But they are Coachella ready
To see their live performance i recommend you to watch tokyo and jakarta fanmeeting or knowing bros!!!
Sorry they're ready for coachella and they're not lip syncing their voices are so louder than the backtrack
Their Tokyo and Jakarta fan meeting is like a concert better than LS Coachella energy and vocal. 1000/10 better than LS. No hate.
The fact that BONEXTDOOR Woonhak was off beat all the time in this performance is because his earpieces stopped working mid performance (you can see that he took it off) so he was singing without hearing himself at all
yeah the point was just me trying to explain how and why it was clearly live
Onf is just making banger after banger. If they can sing so well with a hard choreo then what's stopping everyone else?
ONF mention!! They've been singing live from their debut days till now since they're a group that focuses a lot on vocals. Thank you soo much for including them❤
To everyone reading this, please support onf and listen to bye my monster (or their whole discography, i promise you won't be dissaponted!)
No offense but seeing bm fans hating on other artists bc they lipsynced or had shaky vocals and comparing bm to other vocalists who are way better then them is so annoying😫 I am not saying girls can’t sing (i need to clarify this bc their fans have an understanding problem, apparently saying they didn’t sing live is equal to they can’t sing…) All those stages and only one of them is barely live. Yet their fans are acting like they are THAT stable??? Sorry but only Nmixx and Mamamoo can sing like the CD version WHILE dancing. They are too delulu too admit it.
Bm vocals are stable, there is no argument in that. But the real problem is their fans are acting like there is no group that can sing and dance live and sound stable like baby monster. They are thinking that baemon are the only group to sing and dance live and have stable vocals.
( No hate to BM )
@@Blinkteumeneverlandbunnycarat sorry but how did you get that they are stable? non of their predebut covers are live, and all those debut stages with only one of them being live, having very loud backtrack, barely hearing them. To call them stable, you need to hear them sing live first (backtrack is acceptable but not too loud) or raw vocals while dancing. So it’s too early to determine wheter they are stable or not. Again not saying they can’t sing but staying neutral is better
@@akedyy4299OMG THANK YOU!! I’ve been trying to explain that only one performance has been live and like you explained the backing track was soooo loud. Why is it hard for fans to discern what’s live and what’s not?? Anyone with the ability to hear could tell but they seem to want to assume that every performance has been live. It’s so frustrating having to even explain this over an over to the smooth brain fans out there!!!
Admit what? Baby monster literally has a video on their channel called '1st music show behind the scenes' and yes it show's them pre recording... like everyone else does on mnet, why do you think Mnet sales tickets for pre recordings every week lmao. the only thing annoying is how people forgot how to live in the real world and just regurgitate things dumb people on social media say's.
@@oliviaisnicole1835 literally, thank you for your support, i was a bit afraid while writing this, their fans are so wild lol
I think Lesserafim were really nervous at coachella but they improved a lot since that day im so proud of my girliess💗
We can't say anything about their vocals until their next cb
Nmixx is just incredible ❤
Ateez recently performed their Zil Poong Ka Do cover at Yonsei University Festival (on 26th May 2024), and all of them used hand mics. They minimised the dancing when it's their singing part, so all of them sound good and stable. Also, I fully agree that there are post editings even in Immortal Songs because some parts sounded too polished(?) to me, so that's why I prefer and recommend watching their performance at Yonsei :)
BOYNEXTDOOR REAL IDOL💗💗💗
The standard of some kpop fans is insane. they demand stable voices while doing the whole choreo. It's not possible. Anyone would be like LSF on Coachella week 1 if they perform lot of songs without any backtracks or autotune while doing the whole choreo. that's why live performances with choreo every kpop group use backtracks, vocal splits, lip sync. they only sing the parts where the choreo don't have lot of movements. the parts they can sing confidently without shaking. Or the person who is singing in that moment won't dance or reduce movements while others continue the choreo (This is how Ateez did it in coachella and the last group in this video did). And in LSF second week at coachella, you can clearly see that they had reduced the choreo movements and intensity to prevent getting tired. And they used the backtracks. (don't know why it was so low on week 1. couldn't even hear it) this is how it has been since the beginning and will be forever. It will be so perfect everyone understand this like you. thanks for sharing
You were correct about the crazy BM fans in the comments 😂
They are always like that 😂
You're crazy
Kpop fans are unfortunately the least self-aware people on this planet 😅
Ty for including Boynextdoor they’re so talented ❤
alright im getting into ONF now u did it for me🙏
these are always so fun, thanks for another one and congrats on 20k!
no cs so far babymonster, FOR ME, is most definitely one of the most talented groups in 5th gen. like theyre QUITE LITERALLY so good at singing live that i dont even get why THEYRE NOT ALLOWED TO SING LIVE MOST OF THE TIME. also i saw a clip of babymonster members singing with absolute raw vocals and THEY WERE SOOO GOOD.
baby monster is 5th gen sister
@@jealrz OHSTOPPP I MEANT 5TH GEN. IDONT KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING WRITING THAT. IT WAS LIKE 3AM WHEN I WROTE THAT COMMENT
All music shows are using pre recorded audio. It's only a matter of whether they use AR (pre-recorded singing, different from studio, sometimes singing over the studio version) or simply the studio version.
The only exceptions are two: Encore and Special stage.
Which they usually arrange differently. Some still use AR, some 100% live.
My issue is this: "oH, tHiS vIDeO iS pRe rEcOrDeD, sO tHeY mUsT bE lYpSyNC".
Nope.
They can still sing LIVE when they do the performance. Even though later on the music show or the company decided to edited the video using pre-recorded vocal.
Some people use this argument to look down on the groups are just simply ridiculous, esp for groups that have proven again and again that they are more than capable of singing live.
As If it's a "gatcha" moment. 🙄
So, yep.
Those performance CAN BE LIVE.
The video was CLEARLY EDITED ^^
This video just shows that it’s sometimes OK to have imperfections in a live performance, it gives the performance character and life, it’s one of the reasons I like hearing iroha sing in magnetic, you can always hear the sounds from her performing, it’s so cool! Thanks for this video, it helps me differentiate live from lip sync better 🫶
babymonster stansconvincing themselves those performances are live😭
cus IT IS LIVE
Girl the mnet is not live but inkigayo one is live as you can see on the video🤌✨
More like you are convincing yourself it's not live
Inkigayo one was live as you can see in the video
all these replies pretending like the mnet one wasn’t relentlessly hyped up as live 😭
@@horizonkyun7203 clock it lmaoo. they keep talking about inkigayo but that was the LAST performance they ever had and also the only one they ever performed live. all of the performances that got praised were 100% lipped
For me i dont have problem with lipsyncing on music show. I dont really see the need to singing live, they pre recorded it from morning, 4 times a week or even 6 times. And theres not many live audience.
Exactly I have no problem with it either on music shows.
I would agree if most groups wouldn't also lip-sync on every other performance stages like even on the west or their mma/mamas award shows, so this like an excuse to me now😔
@@ERROR-rr9gn I haven't seen any lipsynch at mama. Also the only time I've seen groups lip sync on shows in the west is if it was prerecorded
@@blakekaveny really?? How lol, almost every performance there in the recent years from new groups is a lip-sync
@@ERROR-rr9gn not the most recent one no.
A little note if anyone wants to hear NMIXX without backtrack or even instrumental, the music stopped during one of their Dice performances recently (240527 for the date).
Yeah they did because exactly the same trick did BM on their fan meeting. Few days ago Tws on University festivals. And now Nmixx. Interesting that all groups are vocal lol. But that's really old marketing trick.
@@mio26k82I mean you can go to the older dice performances their was one at a music festival where Haewon and Lily messed up the run for the high note
@@asurafire5386 it's not that I'm saying that there performance is not live but that all "fuckups" of all these groups are obviously planned to flex live vocals. Marketing move in other words. It's nothing wrong with it except that it's old trick that public know pretty well.
@@mio26k82 I mean I guess that’s fair but some mistakes are unavoidable and going as far back as SNSD and even further back to SES people made mistakes that weren’t planned. Some mistakes are probably planned but I can’t assume that for every mistake because that just feels disingenuous
This was def on purpose but its okay. At least they showed their talent
I don't blame any artist, the reason why many groups that know how to sing lipsync is because of the fans' demands to be perfect, this has become very toxic, why not just worry about enjoying the performances instead of obsessing and Point out every mistake. Do we do everything perfectly in every area of our lives?
onf performances are so enjoyable to watch, it's so real and they do so well!!!! and i get u so much bro the song is so amazing :]]]
I don't know why but Riwoo's voice crack on "lady" honestly makes the song 10x better
Thank for including onf love them so much ❤
Congrats on your moren than 20K Subs, bestie! Also, yeah... most of them sing mostly live (LSF, ILLIT, ONF, ATEEZ, BND, NMIXX & BBM). I love shakey & imperfect vocals!
My suggestion is to go and watch the "fancam"/직캠 that the same shows upload either in the same channel or a secondary one (they can be the general ones for the whole group or the ones focused on a specific member). These are the recordings of just one camera and it has the raw audio from said camera. In many of these shows, there is a post-production or real-time filter on, therefore the singing + track tends to sound more combined and even. Sometimes in the performances, you can barely hear the live singing, but if you check these fancams it is more noticeable that there are 2 different sounds. You should be able to detects if there is a track + mics, because both sound different in quality, volume, and so on. I would best describe it as the backtrack feeling in the back (lol) whereas the mics sound more present, prominent, and in the front. Even if it is a realistic pre-recording that isn't actually live (but sounds live because it was technically recorded live beforehand), this prerecorded track will sound in the back as well (the same as the original track, the back-track or an instrumental). You should be able to notice the parts (usually choruses, high notes, or hard choreo parts) where someone sings just a portion and lets the backtrack do the rest.
This is something that happens a lot in shows like masked singer, immortal song, produce 101, boys/girls planet, and the like, where the artist might sing pretty live with "imperfections", yet the transmission has post-production effect or live effect that smoothes and corrects the sound.
If you're a fan of survival shows like boys/girls planet, I highly recommend you to check the 직캠, especially for the auditions.
This was a fun video. Thanks for the analysis! Also, thanks for including onf at the end, I've never heard of them before, but that song has such a nice chord progression, vocal melodies, and the strings omg 😭 ?! It sounds so nostalgic like a 2nd gen kpop song.
IVE most definitely sings live most of their performances, they just sing over a backtrack which most kpop groups do. Some parts might be too low for the MR to pick up. Them singing live is especially evident if you listen to their Heya performance. From what I hear in the MR removed they sing certain parts and then rely on the backtrack for certain parts.
I think part of the backtrack problem is in the music shows. They either play it too loud or they will do a post edit so the backtrack is more prominent. I find watching the fixed cam and fan cams is often a better way to see if a group is live because most shows don’t post edit the vocals.
They can sing however they want because the backrack will do its job (for all artists I mean). Thye know they will be saved by backtracks because their voices can ve hardly hear.
Ehh it would be nice if they could banish backtracks or lower it
@@annanowak9620 I don’t have an issue with backtrack provided it isn’t so loud you can’t hear vocals. I think some songs don’t need backtrack-eg a song where vocalists aren’t dancing.
@@kimdaniel2601 for me the biggest problem is that kpop fans are used to loud backtracks and they think they idol always sings perfectly live. Eh for me this isnt okay.
And unfortunately the backtrack is always loud. Always louder than the artist real voice. You can barely hear it
Mics are on but the backtrack is so loud you can pretty much only hear Liz (sometimes) and Yujin (sometimes)
Guys, music shows need to be recorded a lot of times to show every angle of the member of the group. Which means they will have one live performance and the rest are pre-recorded voice. Next is the editing part, so the uploaded video will be a mix of live performance and pre-recorded voice. So you would notice, that some parts look live and some parts are lip-sync.
Woah woah woah I had never seen that NMIXX cover before now I need to find it 😮
wait I’ve never been so early 🤔
edit:
thank god my feelings (and my ears) were validated 3:41 this ahyeon clip was going viral and everyone praising her live vocal then I said “guys it’s not live” and bunch of toxic ppl answered “are u deaf?” guys I acknowledge she has great voice but that specific clip doesn’t represent her great voice since it isn’t live. let’s not lie
THANK YOU omg like yes baemon is v talented but my irls kept fighting w me over this and i was like 😭please how can you look at that part and say its 100% live
Because unfortunately people that claim anyone is live on Mnet are just as dumb as the people who think companies or groups are trying to fool anyone, First off ALL Mnet performances are pre recorded, which is why they sale Pre recording tickets every week, secondly Mnet and Baby Monster have videos showing them pre recording, On Baby Monsters channel the video is called '1st music show behind the scenes' boom mystery solved.. Pretty Easy
One thing is for sure if its nmixx and live vocals +dance you can and surely can trust it like why did you even think that they can't sing live 😭💀💀💀oh jesus what have I even said
Thankyou for including Boynextdoor😊😊they talent should not be sleep on
It really annoys me when fans worship a groups 'live vocals' when it's obviously pre-recorded. Like pre recorded vocals are not necessarily bad, but it's when people insist that it's live and won't listen to anyone else it becomes agitating.
BND IS FIRE BROOOO
STAN NMIXX
the struggles with baemon are real, because i've been trying to tell the deaf portion of their fandom for months that they don't sing live even if you hear it on MR Removed (which is truly my worst enemy when it comes to distinguishing live vs lip synching). like i'm not saying the girls aren't talented, i've followed them since BM was announced but there is absolutely no way the stages are live but their fans always hate on me 😭
Ahyeon always opens her mouth like that for the high note tho. You can see it in the radio show, in “it’s live!” and in many other performances where she is 100% singing live
i love the shinee inclusion here cus no matter how amazing their vocals are, there's no question that they also lip sync pretty often, esp in recent years. the way i think abt it is that theyve been in the industry for so long and sang live thousands of times, so it's not like they have to "prove" their talent anymore. and knowing SM, we shouldnt be surprised that their live stages aren't really live
also if you're looking for another nugu group with great live vocals i totally recommend 82major. their live stage for Choke on Music Bank (the one with the red outfits) was really impressive imo, and just like onf, they used the backtrack very wisely
I’m really into these types of videos, I’m a blink, ARMY, and probably a babymonster Stan (if u could say), I don’t have any problems with these things, and there is no need to be scared about posting things like this when u point something out as long as it has evidence. 4 me, it’s like 4th gen groups till now have ruined kpop 4 me. From 1st gen till 3rd gen there were really rare usages of lip syncing or anything that does to manipulate voices or anything (I could be wrong), I was actually not surprised at all if any kpop group lip syncs at this point, I find it quite funny and amusing when idols lip sync / pre record while other people are attacking or defending their idol groups for it; it’s tough in the long run but u get used it as time goes by. The dark world in kpop culture can be too much, harsh, hateful, and unbearable but if u can pull through, u are going to learn a lot more to what’s to come (this is 4 u newbies to kpop); I’ve been a huge fan of BTS & BLACKPINK since 2017 so no surprise about whether a kpop group is singing a live performance or not, Just my opinion, 4th gen isn’t really 4 me.
YESS FINALLY SOME ONF APPRECIATION ‼️🗣️🔥
When was the last time SM group even sang live and why we still call this company power house vocals? If someone is scared to sing live then he is not a good singer for me.
What is really interesting is that San from ateez (and whoever wants to check to go and play ANY of his famcams ) is not singing live AT All since 2020 (maybe even before this) and the weirdest part of all is that he is having a lot a lot of lines. He is often lip syncing his lines or just chant/shout them. And is not only him in the group (but his case is severe). 5 out of 8 members 98% of live performances are not singing live. How they got the image of live singing group?
@@editname2391 you are doomed if you think like that. They are SINGERS their work is to SING. This is the reason they are training for years not to pretend sing when they are on stage (everyone can do that and if they gonna do it all the time what's the reason they are training?)Music shows are literally giving them the opportunity to get new fans and bring a crowd to their future concerts. Do you think me seeing them lip syncing on a music show will make me their fan and buy a ticket for their own show? Is not working like that. The only thing they are showing is laziness and insecurity in their own singing abilities and talent. Which tells me enough about their so called "talent". If you are here not to be a fan of singers but only for the looks and dancing maybe you should try to pay attention to dancers or actors
@@vali3025girl singer also should protect their vocal tone. especially aespa showing here. they had to work start at dawn pre record shit until afternoon (just like other idols) and go straight to festival (where they sang live there)
oh baby maybe you should know lipsync exist to keep singer vocal chord healthy (since that's literally their asset). if they can sing, lipsync or not they're still can singing.
@@jealrz you know that you sound pathetic and slow right 😭?
congrats! You are doing in great job thank you so much 👏👏👏
Not really lol, Mnet always pre records, which is why they sale tickets to pre-recordings, Oh and not to mention Baby monster has a video on the channel called '1st music show behind the scenes' and Mnet has a Behind the scenes also, both show them Pre recording. soooo yeah there is that. mystery solved lol
@@TheRyno525 Did you even notice that this is a 20K Special? Lol somewhere else, Einstein
@@Suranda68 Which means what? Pointing out real info isn't allowed at 20k specials? And how are you calling anyone Einstein when you are congratulating, complimenting and thanking someone that is doing nothing but fueling continues drama within fandoms? And here I thought people learning something was a good thing, guess I'm old fashioned.
@@TheRyno525 No you are rude. Just stop it and move on bro
@@Suranda68 Truth doesn't care about feelings and it doesn't change, even if it is seen as rude. Have a good day. I mean that.
I just love the way baby monster sings live
9:31 "this is so beautiful I could cry." - me tearing up at work 😂 this is SO GOOD (even if it's not all live), still amazing 💟
Finally someone that can actually hear and see things right. Pre recorded vocals are so obvious to me i don’t know how people falls for it everytime
nmixx and bnd are the only 5th gen groups i trust when it comes to live singing 💗
Nmixx isn't 5th gen
I'm proud of boynextdoor though they always sang live ❤❤
🗣️🗣️BABYMONSTER IS FULL OF TALENT!! THEY CAN SING LIVEEE!! 🔥
Thank you! I get crucified for saying -enhanced live performance- autotune is just beyond some people’s comprehension. The more perfect the less likely no enhancements were used I think. So these fandoms screaming perfect live performance are actually unversed on how technology works now a days. I’ve seen a music video played and fans swearing they were live. I do agree they were alive at that moment..It’s kinda unfortunate. Thank you! Great video!
I wish we could just be okay with lip singing for EVERYONE. We pick and choose who it’s okay to lipsing for or act in denial
I support everyone who chooses to lip sing on these weekly sometimes DAILY shows. It’s a lot of work it’s like constantly being on tour and they do so much dancing not even Beyoncé could keep up.
Second gen idols could do it cus their choreography was so much easier and they could stop dancing to sing and no one would complain.
ive sang live a LOT for heya, theres many performances you can watch eg their university festival performances or their first mcountdown stage for heya. makes sense why they gave it a break for accendio and im glad. they are continuing their world tour soon and i cant wait to hear accendio live there where they are probably much more comfortable and more well rested! maybe biased but ive will always be one of my most favorite performers in kpop ever for their live singing, stage presence and dancing.
Thank you for clarifying the BM one because when I said that it wasn't live (for the ones that weren't Inkigayo), I got attacked to actual filth... Ahyeons mouth was way too open for it to be live, but people continued to call me a hater. The girls can sing, but it's okay to admit not everything was live.
@@Parpndn12344 Oh girl 🥱🥱 Here yall come. I’m fully aware that there were multiple takes, but none of them were still live. I mean certain performances, they sing over the backtrack, but for the performances I AM talking about, they’re not live. I’m so tired of fans gaslighting people into believing their favs were singing live when they weren’t. Multiple cuts or not, she wasn’t singing live AND definitely not that high note.
Bye my monster is such a masterpiece and onf is so amazing
You can tell a few groups suffer from edited performances for youtube. While audiences will always be able to tell if a group is singing or mot cause theyll hear it. A youtube video can easily have autotuned vocals or mixed backtracks thus making it hard to tell if its lip sync or not. Sometimes its a mix like lesserafims case some its just lip sync in aespas case
Yeahh with aespa I can always hear same backtracks everywhere 😅
the fact that Seonghwa was sick that day
kinda weird for some stans, but i absolutely LOVE when i hear a breathy or shaky voice when an idol is performing. it shows that they're trying and that they are giving their all when performing. im also really really proud of le sserafim and illit. after all of their criticism, they still have these stages where they DO actually sing but haters only look at the clips where they aren't singing.
With current kpop, I only trust festival fancams for the performance to even qualify to be judged as live or not because of all the post-production editing that goes on nowadays.
Even then, if the group isn’t Nmixx I’m still somewhat suspicious of what might be live or not.
Hopefully, authentic kpop performers continue to pressure the the lipsync/edit fakes into improving and/or dropping the fake acts.
thank you for mentioning onf :)
3:53 BABYMONS7ER always is solid and slays, u made a mistake listen to them not this video i mean just go hear it from somewhere u got this one from idk i forgot it but if u listen carefully they r singing.
okay? in this video i was analysing THAT performance though because someone asked so….. and i never said they can’t sing or that they never sing live
Thank you soooo much for bring up the fact Babymonster is like everyon, even if they are great singers sometimes they do lip sync, and it’s not bad, it’s just A FACT !!
Cause I was tired of seeing so many edits saying they are allergic to lip sync and things like that, and when I would say that, first it’s a little bit early to assume something like that since they are just debuting…, and second, it’s not true cause it already happened they did lip sync, bruh, people where attacking me so hard saying crazy things, like it’s unbelievable that Babymonster will do that, and the ongoing situation concerning HYBE isn’t helping it…
So yeah, thank you, I hope it will people to open their eyes. People have to understand why and most importantly « when » lip sync is bad, cause there are many performances when it’s not a big deal to lip sync, like in pro shows: Mnet, Inkigayo, etc… and on mostly every TV show and events performances, or when some of the members have a small sick. Other than that, in concerts, festivals, etc, lip sync is disrespectful too your audience, people pay too hear you sing your songs and you don’t … no one should agree with that
OMG ONF MENTIONED
Finally this series back 😢 personally would love for you to have analysed Kiss of life midas touch because sometimes I can’t tell if belle is singing the adlibs / high notes live or not 😅
10:47 I’m sorry but Accendio is the 2nd title of IVE SWITCH album
i thought it was just heya
@@immastanthat Heya and Accendio is 2 title in ive switch album
@@immastanthati thought accendio is the title tack? isnt heya a pre-release/ double title track
@@xiaoxueetheyre both title tracks
@@immastanthat by the way, I've heard a few of IVE's Accendio performances including this one, and it seems that they only let Yunjin and Leeseo sing a few lines. The others where truly either the official studio version or just pre recorded vocals. But you can clearly hear how shaky Yunjins voice is in some lines, especial for the lower "out of control part". Its funny that they let her sing that hard part (as a singer myself I feel like thats the most inconvenient part of the song to sing live xD i would actually allow a backing track for that part lol)
so happy you showed beamon, the comments on their mr removed are always complimenting for their live vocals while you can literally see their mouths close while the vocals are still there 😭 simultaneously people are hating on other groups for their live vocals and calling them out on performing with pre recorDed vocals
The Babymonster part was live, there is no post editing, there is a live recorded backtrack running, just supporting them, they always sing over it and the part with rami, she is just really stable. Best vocal talent in a while🔥❤️
Babymonster sings just like they do on music shows live honestly I wouldn’t even tell if they was singing over there pre- recorded vocals Fr
If u watch their radio broadcast and their fan meet they sound really good Fr