I follow several pro photographers that I learn from, and I've never seen any of them overexpose as per your warning. I appreciate the premise of this video, but I never see any of the bad examples here that anyone has published.
Apparently, that's subjective. Though I do prefer the reflector for fill myself as well, many photographers prefer to use another light as fill. With the reflector you still have to adjust height and angle but I'm with you here in that I find the reflector to be way easier and less time consuming than light ratios. At least for Clamshell Lighting anyhow.
Joan Crawford was in a movie late in her life where she asked them to light her face scenes with clamshell lighting at about a "5" where her head was just a glowing white ball with no detail that looked like it was getting ready to take off and orbit the moon. She thought that would erase the wrinkles but you couldn't really see much except a white glow and her mouth moving.
another thing... why use an umbrella with all that spill if you are so concerned about ratios? Why not a grid, or a strip box? As far as most videos here i have seen the examples of clamshell are very good to great. And your examples you say look at the glint in her catchlight in #1. What about an easier hint, the shadows!! WOW!!
This reminds me of a company employee headshot. Maybe for a brochure or something corporate, cold and harsh. I like personal portraits to sculpture the face with shadows, gives drama and shows dimension. Just my opinion
Well, I am glad that you covered this subject. I don't yet have enough equipment to fool around with this type of lighting but I would like to know what the advantage is to lighting up the bottom half of the face with a light rather than a reflector? Other than that this is turorial is another excellent tutorial. Thank You.
You took ten mins to say 'don't overexpose' by 3:22 you already sounded like you were padding out a video with extra photos that didn't add to the story, photos you may know your stuff but videos you said it yourself -over confident
Great video, I don’t think you ever sound like: "...a big know it all." To me you always sound like a working professional photographer who is passionate about his art.
Starting there would be fine. Adjust as needed. Remember, this is a main/key light and fill light setup, so the fill is something you'll have to determine for yourself.
Wow, blaming lots of photographers for not knowing what they are doing... and then taking 10+ minutes to say don’t overexpose your bottom light is just... like the people you talked about in the first place. But thanks, it was usefull anyway.
I'd rather use lighting that is not so flat and eleminate any flaws with retouching. I'm like you, this lighting is starting to look out dated now that we have digital retouching to fix flaws.
.. yeah i got it...im just had a little confused with the value...what im about to say is 1/16 flash power for fill light...if im not mistaken flash power value is like the same with shutter speed the higher the number the less light it will produce...
@@rafaelerum6600 No. 1/8 is more powerful than 1/16. You are simply setting the power, and 1/8 > 1/16 n so key must be 1/8. Then there is the inverse square rule (or how it is called in English, sorry) but it's another thing.
10 minutes of babbling around only to say to avoid overexposing the image. lol. clamshell lighting and using umbrella. at least get on the program and make that light modifier looks like a clam. the reason why its suppose to look like a clam is because it catches the light from the opposite modifier and bounce it back (vice versa with the other side). this bouncing effect creates feathering which makes it really soft. you sound pretentious and blaming a lot of photographers. seriously, i haven't seen mistake images from youtube aside from the sample you gave. if you portray being a snob, at least use strobes instead of flash. they're cheap now and it'll get you better images. only amateurs use flash nowadays. you can only go so far with the inverse square law with a very small light source. these days, cheap strobes have high speed sync already, batteries, etc. really have no excuse to use those. that umbrella setup of yours might work but its inefficient, it doesn't catch a lot of light but it'll just bounce a lot of the light all over the place (not on the subject). i can just imagine you trying to control the light with that setup, it is a nightmare.
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Christ, a ten minute video to just say stop down your lower light in clamshell setup. Didn't explain why you were using brollies to shoot this
I follow several pro photographers that I learn from, and I've never seen any of them overexpose as per your warning. I appreciate the premise of this video, but I never see any of the bad examples here that anyone has published.
They're all over the internet. I've seen a lot of people do these mistakes, especially when now learning this technique.
Thank You Ed, Your Vidoe's are awesome, Very detailied informed. I always learn a lot.
The best thing to do is incorporate a reflector for the bottom part of the lighting this way you don’t have to worry about the exact ratio.
Apparently, that's subjective. Though I do prefer the reflector for fill myself as well, many photographers prefer to use another light as fill. With the reflector you still have to adjust height and angle but I'm with you here in that I find the reflector to be way easier and less time consuming than light ratios. At least for Clamshell Lighting anyhow.
@@jasonbodden8816 actually the light is faster, more controllable, and more effective. A strip box not a brolly like he has... umbrellas? really?
Simple and effective. Thanks, Ed!
+Larry Nevins -- Thanks!
Joan Crawford was in a movie late in her life where she asked them to light her face scenes with clamshell lighting at about a "5" where her head was just a glowing white ball with no detail that looked like it was getting ready to take off and orbit the moon. She thought that would erase the wrinkles but you couldn't really see much except a white glow and her mouth moving.
Great Video !! Thanks for the explanation !
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another thing... why use an umbrella with all that spill if you are so concerned about ratios? Why not a grid, or a strip box? As far as most videos here i have seen the examples of clamshell are very good to great. And your examples you say look at the glint in her catchlight in #1. What about an easier hint, the shadows!! WOW!!
This reminds me of a company employee headshot. Maybe for a brochure or something corporate, cold and harsh. I like personal portraits to sculpture the face with shadows, gives drama and shows dimension. Just my opinion
I completely agree. It’s more for commercial applications.
Well, I am glad that you covered this subject. I don't yet have enough equipment to fool around with this type of lighting but I would like to know what the advantage is to lighting up the bottom half of the face with a light rather than a reflector? Other than that this is turorial is another excellent tutorial. Thank You.
+Bkellyusa -- both are fine options but a strobe or speedlight has the advantage of fine control and choice of modifier.
That is simple enough. I was thinking that it may provide a diffeent look but control makes more sense.
Thanks.
Where will you position yourself if that is the placement of the two umbrellas?
You took ten mins to say 'don't overexpose' by 3:22 you already sounded like you were padding out a video with extra photos that didn't add to the story, photos you may know your stuff but videos you said it yourself -over confident
Perhaps... but teaching a subject often includes repetition. I'll likely remember this now, having watched the video.
Great video, I don’t think you ever sound like: "...a big know it all." To me you always sound like a working professional photographer who is passionate about his art.
+Mark Harris - that’s good to hear. I don’t want to come off the wrong way.
+Mark Harris - that’s good to hear. I don’t want to come off the wrong way.
Good explanation Ed!
+Marc Thibault -- Thank you, Marc.
What kind of ratio would you recommend that would be ideal? 2:1?
Starting there would be fine. Adjust as needed. Remember, this is a main/key light and fill light setup, so the fill is something you'll have to determine for yourself.
I watched the entire 10mins of the video waiting for him to at least say what ratio.
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Wow, blaming lots of photographers for not knowing what they are doing... and then taking 10+ minutes to say don’t overexpose your bottom light is just... like the people you talked about in the first place. But thanks, it was usefull anyway.
I'd rather use lighting that is not so flat and eleminate any flaws with retouching. I'm like you, this lighting is starting to look out dated now that we have digital retouching to fix flaws.
...do you think, 1/8 flash power for main light and 1/4 flash power for fill ligjt below subject face is a good starting point?
No. The main light should be the stronger light, depending on distance.
.. yeah i got it...im just had a little confused with the value...what im about to say is 1/16 flash power for fill light...if im not mistaken flash power value is like the same with shutter speed the higher the number the less light it will produce...
@@rafaelerum6600 No. 1/8 is more powerful than 1/16. You are simply setting the power, and 1/8 > 1/16 n so key must be 1/8. Then there is the inverse square rule (or how it is called in English, sorry) but it's another thing.
10 minutes of babbling around only to say to avoid overexposing the image. lol. clamshell lighting and using umbrella. at least get on the program and make that light modifier looks like a clam. the reason why its suppose to look like a clam is because it catches the light from the opposite modifier and bounce it back (vice versa with the other side). this bouncing effect creates feathering which makes it really soft.
you sound pretentious and blaming a lot of photographers. seriously, i haven't seen mistake images from youtube aside from the sample you gave. if you portray being a snob, at least use strobes instead of flash. they're cheap now and it'll get you better images. only amateurs use flash nowadays. you can only go so far with the inverse square law with a very small light source. these days, cheap strobes have high speed sync already, batteries, etc. really have no excuse to use those.
that umbrella setup of yours might work but its inefficient, it doesn't catch a lot of light but it'll just bounce a lot of the light all over the place (not on the subject). i can just imagine you trying to control the light with that setup, it is a nightmare.
You are sounding like a big know it all. People have different opinions, shocking. Lighting is subjective.