90% turnout of older voters - those who have paid into the system for a long time and now find queues due to increasing population and cuts to services at the same time ...
S Gordon ..Correct. The elderly generation defeated fascism (I.e. fought in WWII) and lived through the depression, worked hard, saved, and sacrificed for the good d of their children and communities and hence they should be able to have social benefits and services well ahead of anyone who else.
‘’Europe’s nations should be guided towards the Super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be established by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will inevitably and irreversibly lead to federation’’. Jean Monnet
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Imagine a Lord talking about their peasantry... It helps make sense of many of their attitudes in regards to common matters. He is entering into the realm of thought of: Hold on... the peasants are angry and there are more of them, then there are supporters of us... how about we take preemptive measures to placate them, rather than allow populists to get into power and vote away all of our stuff. Short of political violence becoming normal, this change of attitude is the best everyone can hope for in terms of their life chances. Political violence will get better results in the long run... but at a massive short term cost to everyone involved and therefore is best to be avoided.
I've so far watched 5 minutes and already he states that since in Wales and England the majority voted leave and so did the majority of 65+ citizens "populism seems to be a partly regional but above all demographic phenomenon". In other words: Anyone who voted exit did so because of populism (i. e. cheap manipulation). There is no legitimate/rational reason to have voted so... I wonder if the next 52 minutes will just be a waste of time.
Sinn Haft Populism =/= cheap manipulation. Populism is simply posing to give people what they want. It would be populist for example to look at the most accurate polls you could find of a population, and then say: All my positions shall be this. It can be used as a manipulative tool, by politicians willing to do this, and then becomes a method of cheap manipulation, but it does not equal it by default. However, most people voted the way they did because of populism. The English and Welsh wanted to fuck their elites preference. The Scottish voted the way that the SNP, the Nationalist, party told them to do, and people still find the SNP to have the anti-establishment charm(though that won't last long, if Labour or the Conservatives develop a platform other than fuck the SNP). It is somewhat of an irony that the anti-establishment party, chose the option of the establishment, but... hey... people believed it. Then you have N.Ireland which was told, we vote to leave, War returns to Northern Ireland. Who wants a return to war? All regions of the UK voted in a populist manner, the resulting particulars only being the differing ways in which the same populist surge has been molded, or found expression.
I was simplifying a bit on purpose equating the two, I know. But how do you arrive at the conclusion that voters in general voted the way they did "because of populism"? From a purely logical point of view it is impossible to say for sure how much the vote of each citizen is influenced by x and if he or she had voted differently if x was absent. We all have the ability to reflect, we are not tools that someone else points and shoots. Some take more effort in that, some less. And if populism is "posing to give people what they want" does that mean populists reinforce views already held by people? If so those views were there first and absent populism and "counter-populism" they would arrive at the same conclusion what to vote for, no? In any case, Ferguson says only exit-voters (and all of them) did so because of populism.
Having now watched the next 5 mins, he implies voting exit was really just a proxy for being against "modernity" because the "exit" votes correlate with conservative viewpoints. Correlation is just that, correlation. By the same reasoning a vote for "remain" is just a proxy vote for, say, feminism? Or is it just a rebel vote against your parents? Faulty reasoning and oversimplification, pretty low for a respected historian. And it seems all he wants is to delegitimise the outcome.
Populism is not necessarily fascism, but populism (British and American varieties of populism too) is about xenophobia and simplification and using media for propaganda.
This interview to me is final proof that no matter how reasonable you are as a person, or how learned, if you are an academic you will never, ever know what life is like on the ground. I'm a British truck driver. This industry has been flooded by eastern European drivers. There are plenty of British truck licence owners who are not driving because the pay has been crashed by imported labour. It's simple supply and demand, and yet it goes over this 'economist's' head, or should I say, under his radar.
There is not just condescension here, but a complete a misreading of "old folks" dissatisfaction with "change": for it is not change, but a dropping of values to the lowest common denominator. Younger generations have grown up with amorality the norm, as to choose is to discriminate, and we mustn't do that! No, we protect feelings at the cost of honesty and character. Gone, in Britain, is the "stiff upper lip": if Winston Churchill could see that nation today - if the thousands of men and women who sacrificed and suffered through two world wars could see it - he and they would wonder what the sacrifice was for! Perhaps that really WAS Britain's finest hour, and there shall be no more! Meanwhile, in the sheltered U.S., we have NO IDEA how the world works, and welcome with open arms the very elements that seek to destroy us. Embracing multiculturalism and anything that isn't "us," we spend our time apologizing for - well, for EVERYTHING, since everything bad is obviously our fault. The noble efforts and struggles of our forefathers to create our great nation are lost on us, as we capitulate to the belief that, in a line from the 1970's movie, The Way We Were, "everything had always come too easily." Only, it DIDN'T.
So many rightly or wrongly finally had a say on how the establishment has completely ignored them..this goes back to WW1 and WW2 and how the working classes have been treated. .to be honest goes back further..people and the generation's have long memories..
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But a very accurate analysis by N. Ferguson (whose book the Pity of War is spot on)
I only realised how many Polish people were here when I tried to buy Naan bread and found all my local shops were only selling Polish bread. Nothing to do with newspapers.
To Spence Agreed. What I find particularly refreshing about Eastern Europeans is their lack of political correctness! They have in some way escaped from the Marxist relativist brainwashing imposed on the rest of us. Gives me hope!
This guy is smarter than this. He essentially said that older voters, which voted to leave, were uninformed. That is much less likely than the reverse being true.
I'm not getting that. He says older voters are nostalgic in a fast changing world ...not uniformed. [He's pro-Brexit ...changed his opinion recently from Remain]
"If you're over 65, there's a lot you don't like about modernity, sneer, sneer". Modernity: cost to Britain of non-EU immigration £120 billion. Cost of EU immigration £4 billion surplus (DT 5 Nov 2014). Hint: it's not other Europeans people object to supporting.
Well since most of the project fear predictions and projections (based on the day after a 'leave' vote) have come to nothing, who could have a sophisticated idea with such biased and cooked-up globalist propaganda?
Hardcore Prawn what is your point? All i can gather is you're setting an arbitrary criteria for the validity of one's assertion to feel intelligent when you're really just being petty.
Rigggghhhhttt. That's why none of them donated to him. People who had been enemies for half a century all joined together to stop him, and they're all still trying to make up excuses with confused looks on their faces.... The most clever ploy in history!!
Ferguson is correct. This doesn't represent fascism but rather a return to the pre Marxist political dichotomy; basically hardline conservatism vs classical liberalism. However, we shouldn't get too complacent given the period Ferguson is talking about gave us pogroms against Russian Jews, the final ethnic cleansing of Native Americans from their ancestral lands; and the mass genocide in the Congo. So not fascism per se - but hardly a bed of roses either.
Since 2004, a million Poles have migrated to the UK, mostly to England, in 2016. What is Ferguson talking about??? That is not including the influx of hundreds of thousands of Romanians, Bulgarians and other Eastern Europeans, etc, and Indians, Irish, etc.
Feels like Ferguson is suggesting that anti-EU sentiment is also anti-free-trade. And it can be quite tiresome when we examine the lowest common denominator arguments for these populist movements without at least acknowledging any of the more considered concerns. It's not just old white men scared of multiculturalism and longing for some nostalgic pre-commonwealth Britain. Some people are concerned about the aggressive centralisation of power, the idea of Europe becoming a monolithic power bloc with a single army and its policy to extend up against Russia's border. Power blocs of this kind just don't behave well, absolute power corrupts etc. Europe as a unified military force would be stronger than the sum of its constituent parts but we've seen how these empires operate and might like to keep decision making suffuse (or diverse) as a result. And of course America and all the corps want the EU. They need to be able to direct European politics through one convenient power centre, rather than run around trying to get individual governments on board. You don't need to even talk about migration to argue against the EU.
I have not been in he U.K for a while. So i am curious if people in general notice positive or negative differences after Brexit . Maybe it's to soon to see any consequences yet ?
Spiritual Anarchist We haven’t left the EU yet and by all accounts, the ‘elites’ are doing everything in their power to prevent it, though I expect Boris will pull a form of Brino eventually. We will still be trying to extricate ourselves completely from the mess in 2030 I can assure you.
Such patronising BS and often wrong. If people are coming in their tens of thousands to do the work Brits wont do (actually cant afford to do due to low low pay) and if these immigrants are good for Britain, why then are they immediately upon their arrival eligible for and indeed claiming in many cases, the full range of benefits for which Brits have contributed all of their lives . Why also are they allocated State housing over Brits as long as their 'need' is considered to be greater than others because they have a large family and pitch up with no home to go to. ? Free healthcare is also available to anyone who cares to come to Britain claiming to wish to work. Most immigrants send a large proportion of earned income back to their home countries so claiming they benefit because they they spend on goods and services is also false, indeed they cost taxpayers because they can also claim child benefit, even if their children dont reside in Britain, tax credits etc etc Britain is a tiny overcrowded and divided island now and immigration needs to be seriously restricted, before all our services collapse entirely and before there is civil unrest................
Grey and Blue advocates of mass migration often dont live in those communities themselves... often jews clamor for multiculturalism everywhere on earth except inside Israel. The same goes for all other countries. Ask palestinians if theyll take in Syrians refugees
Interesting discussion especially looking at rise of populism. I assumed that the West is moving towards political extremes (left v right) which is a short step from breakdown of democracy.
Darell Tupper-Carey ....the current system which leads to ever greater wealth inequality will, ultimately result in its demise as the end result will be a revolution....and the workers will, again, take their fair share and the rich can go to hell.
What a bunch of Marxist hooey. "the workers will..." Wow. What century are you from? The current system of the wing-nut "progressive" west, which man-splains to everyone who has to listen, how racist, homophobic, misogynist (yadda-yadda) all who do not call to heel when whistled-at. "Populism" is only a deriding term because it is being set up to be same. "Fascist" (forgot that one in the list above), likewise, is intended likewise to be an accusation, intended to put the "other side" on the defensive. Consider, just for a moment, what the position of the accusers is - the one spouting Marxist claims that "the end result will be a revolution....and the workers will, again, take their fair share..." Consider, just for the next moment, how many people were enslaved, and for how long, under the likes of said Marxist brain trusts. Stalin by himself killed more of his own people than Hitler did of all the lands he conquered - and for far longer. Then add Pol Pot. Then Mao. No less than hundreds of millions have been relegated to unending misery and death at the hands of the so-called "peoples workers party" of various sorts.
Indeed, it is a challenge to democracy. The ugly lie that permeates, however, is that the "right" has not moved in terms of its priorities in 5 generations. But the left has moved, from discussion of priorities of guns vs butter, to a demand that no discussion be permitted about anything aside from who the biggest victim of the "other" is, and how best to shame that "other" (and all who touch same) into compliance with the cultural Marxist "thought." The right, perhaps more accurately called "conservatives," still call for strong military, strong national economic policy, and stability of culture and society more generally - to wit, it also tends to explain the perspective on mass immigration of any sort (never mind unbridled illegal immigration... and forced transmigration of Middle-easterners into the west). These have been the priorities of conservatives for several score. But the priorities of the anti-liberal "progressive" left, perhaps more accurately the cultural Marxists, have moved wildly further from the center, as the "winner" of the cultural Marxist political game, internal to those circles, is a positive feedback loop. "In this battle, the more committed, wins" is the going-in, and operant, reality within that unfortunate cabal.
Sorry disagree with his rhetoric especially from a Scot, who always have hated the English, so he is biased in this respect. Luton is a north London town that is not even reconised as British where immigration has failed. He's right about the Elitists and that they are blind to normal people.
He needs to spend more time talking to ordinary people. I voted for Brexit like many other people to regain Britain's sovereignty. The EU had morphed into a totalitarian state ruled over by unelected administrators who we couldn't vote out. I wanted the power returned to the people of this country to have enough influence to vote out whatever fool politician or political party had been in power and had fucked up for the past 4 years! And let's face it there have been many of them and there will be many more to come. Oh and another thing loads of young people well under retirement age and older than 24 also voted for Brexit.
entrepreneurial intuition is key also for business of governing. no data no facts, sometimes just intuition. Statesman fate is not of tragic hero, but of entrepreneur, so long people pay taxes he is doing good job.
5:35 Um... there are more Polish-BORN people in the U.K. than any other migrant nationality in the U.K. Population is estimated at 840,000-1,000,000 in 2018, where there were less than 100,000 in 2003. Polish is the second-most spoken language in the U.K. Get your head out of the guardian mate.
Ferguson, you are so wrong. Brexit was merely the tip of the iceberg. It was merely step 1. Step 2 will be the addressing of our laws which allow the country to be surgically altered into a "multi-cultural" miasma. You're association of Brexit with MAGA is a reach. MAGA is about harking back to America's height during the Ike era. Brexit is not about regressing into British imperial sentimentality (when Britain was at its height, in terms of power). Brexit is about making a start. No more, no less. Professor Ferguson. the elites (Right, Left and Moderate) are intent on globalism. They will fail. Reason = they are playing with fire. PS: Kissenger's theories on limited nuclear war are pure Ivory Tower Hoodlum stuff. Read Col. David Hackworth's views on that in his "About Face". Ferguson comes up with real howlers from time to time, like saying the Battle of Rorke's Drift was bigger and more important than the Battle of the Alamo. Or that the Vietnam War could and should have been won by America as Britain defeated a Communist insurgency in Malaya. He has also completely misread the Battle of Kursk by reinforcing well worn clichés, as what took place in Sicily followed by the 3 Mius River battles was what really counted - read Georg Nipe's "Decision in the Ukraine, Summer 1943". Professor Ferguson is still a brilliant and insightful historian/hybrid economist. But he is, on his own admission, a cosmopolitan, pan globalist, post modern man.
Polls following the brexit referendum showed that the Scottish majority would vote to remain part of the UK and give up EU membership. I don't know where the figures breaking down this vote on an age basis as you suggest come from. You will recall the Independence referendum failed.
polls from ipsos mori conducted for STV pbs.twimg.com/media/CsX9FbMW8AArtjA.jpg:small As for the 2014 ref...many voted to remain in the UK as westminster conducted a campaign of threatening Scots with being thrown out of EU....ONCE BITTEN....EH
ukok kev ...Not really. Scotland is a tiny part of the U.K., and it relies heavily on Westminster for its funding, so Scotland would be insane to break away from the rest of the U.K.
I hope Scotland's future will reflect the will of the majority of the Scottish people, but as far as the EU and funding is concerned I would consider article 126(11 - bullet point 4) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (get into debt = EU fine/sanctions)
"If you're a Daily Mail reader it might seem people from Poland are taking jobs." I think he forgot to mention the folk on the ground EXPERIENCING this and not just reading about it. But hey, I just couldn't afford to compete in my business against Polish moving here setting up businesses at a fraction of the profit because they live ten to a two bedroom house whilst I priced to make money for my family. But at least I got raped by a migrant in the end. I read that that was happening in the Daily Mail too. Who would think I would EXPERIENCE it.
Even when you take out all of the economic stuff and just make it about "cultural" change, well that change that some of these people like to condescendingly speak of isn't necessarily a good thing. Human culture isn't equally good. Like what has happened over the last decade as the US has backed off asserting itself internationally, we've seen Russia and China and supposed caliphs fill the vacuum. That's not to say that Russians or Chinese or Muslims are bad, but Putin and the CCP and Islamists are. And within those cultures the moderates and rational thinkers are suppressed and even killed by the extremists in power. That's not to say that the US or UK or "the West" in general doesn't have its faults, it certainly does and they're all on display for everyone to see, but to have growing pockets of Islamic radicalization in Europe and US influence abroad shrinking to the benefit of Putin gobbling up the Ukraine and bombing the shit out of Syria and destabilizing the EU or China pushing the Philippines and Vietnam aside because they can due to culturally relative ideologies largely from the current Western left is a very bad thing.
Once upon a time two third of world population was Buddhist that was the time when India had its mark on the world. Similarly Britain had its mark for two centuries and America have its mark tor seventy years but after dominance of western countries for four hundreds years asia is again on the rise and on the way to its dominance for the coming centuries.
the initial pathologising of Niall Ferguson in looking down especially to old people and Conservatives makes me cringe. I understand where he is coming but he better put his mind outside of his echo chamber. Forcing their type of Liberalism (Progressivism) created the rise of Populism that he is talking about.
"History is to States what character is to individuals." Thank you Mr. Ferguson for reminding us the importance (and the beauty) of History.
90% turnout of older voters - those who have paid into the system for a long time and now find queues due to increasing population and cuts to services at the same time ...
S Gordon ..Correct. The elderly generation defeated fascism (I.e. fought in WWII) and lived through the depression, worked hard, saved, and sacrificed for the good d of their children and communities and hence they should be able to have social benefits and services well ahead of anyone who else.
‘’Europe’s nations should be guided towards the Super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be established by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will inevitably and irreversibly lead to federation’’. Jean Monnet
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there is a certain condescending attitude among the "elites" when they refer to populism.
Imagine a Lord talking about their peasantry...
It helps make sense of many of their attitudes in regards to common matters.
He is entering into the realm of thought of: Hold on... the peasants are angry and there are more of them, then there are supporters of us... how about we take preemptive measures to placate them, rather than allow populists to get into power and vote away all of our stuff.
Short of political violence becoming normal, this change of attitude is the best everyone can hope for in terms of their life chances. Political violence will get better results in the long run... but at a massive short term cost to everyone involved and therefore is best to be avoided.
I've so far watched 5 minutes and already he states that since in Wales and England the majority voted leave and so did the majority of 65+ citizens "populism seems to be a partly regional but above all demographic phenomenon". In other words: Anyone who voted exit did so because of populism (i. e. cheap manipulation). There is no legitimate/rational reason to have voted so... I wonder if the next 52 minutes will just be a waste of time.
Sinn Haft Populism =/= cheap manipulation.
Populism is simply posing to give people what they want. It would be populist for example to look at the most accurate polls you could find of a population, and then say: All my positions shall be this.
It can be used as a manipulative tool, by politicians willing to do this, and then becomes a method of cheap manipulation, but it does not equal it by default.
However, most people voted the way they did because of populism. The English and Welsh wanted to fuck their elites preference.
The Scottish voted the way that the SNP, the Nationalist, party told them to do, and people still find the SNP to have the anti-establishment charm(though that won't last long, if Labour or the Conservatives develop a platform other than fuck the SNP). It is somewhat of an irony that the anti-establishment party, chose the option of the establishment, but... hey... people believed it.
Then you have N.Ireland which was told, we vote to leave, War returns to Northern Ireland. Who wants a return to war?
All regions of the UK voted in a populist manner, the resulting particulars only being the differing ways in which the same populist surge has been molded, or found expression.
I was simplifying a bit on purpose equating the two, I know. But how do you arrive at the conclusion that voters in general voted the way they did "because of populism"? From a purely logical point of view it is impossible to say for sure how much the vote of each citizen is influenced by x and if he or she had voted differently if x was absent. We all have the ability to reflect, we are not tools that someone else points and shoots. Some take more effort in that, some less.
And if populism is "posing to give people what they want" does that mean populists reinforce views already held by people? If so those views were there first and absent populism and "counter-populism" they would arrive at the same conclusion what to vote for, no?
In any case, Ferguson says only exit-voters (and all of them) did so because of populism.
Having now watched the next 5 mins, he implies voting exit was really just a proxy for being against "modernity" because the "exit" votes correlate with conservative viewpoints. Correlation is just that, correlation. By the same reasoning a vote for "remain" is just a proxy vote for, say, feminism? Or is it just a rebel vote against your parents? Faulty reasoning and oversimplification, pretty low for a respected historian. And it seems all he wants is to delegitimise the outcome.
Thank you to UC Berkeley for bringing such intelligent discourse to us all.
Populism is not necessarily fascism, but populism (British and American varieties of populism too) is about xenophobia and simplification and using media for propaganda.
This interview to me is final proof that no matter how reasonable you are as a person, or how learned, if you are an academic you will never, ever know what life is like on the ground. I'm a British truck driver. This industry has been flooded by eastern European drivers. There are plenty of British truck licence owners who are not driving because the pay has been crashed by imported labour. It's simple supply and demand, and yet it goes over this 'economist's' head, or should I say, under his radar.
A truck driver ? Really ??...
@@ennediend2865 Yes, in fact I have been driving a truck all of today! What made you doubt it?
anti-immigration and anti-illegal immigration are two quite different conceptions, and you made a wrong analogy.
There is not just condescension here, but a complete a misreading of "old folks" dissatisfaction with "change": for it is not change, but a dropping of values to the lowest common denominator. Younger generations have grown up with amorality the norm, as to choose is to discriminate, and we mustn't do that! No, we protect feelings at the cost of honesty and character. Gone, in Britain, is the "stiff upper lip": if Winston Churchill could see that nation today - if the thousands of men and women who sacrificed and suffered through two world wars could see it - he and they would wonder what the sacrifice was for! Perhaps that really WAS Britain's finest hour, and there shall be no more! Meanwhile, in the sheltered U.S., we have NO IDEA how the world works, and welcome with open arms the very elements that seek to destroy us. Embracing multiculturalism and anything that isn't "us," we spend our time apologizing for - well, for EVERYTHING, since everything bad is obviously our fault. The noble efforts and struggles of our forefathers to create our great nation are lost on us, as we capitulate to the belief that, in a line from the 1970's movie, The Way We Were, "everything had always come too easily." Only, it DIDN'T.
Great interview!!! thank u
The winners are the ones who write the history.
So many rightly or wrongly finally had a say on how the establishment has completely ignored them..this goes back to WW1 and WW2 and how the working classes have been treated. .to be honest goes back further..people and the generation's have long memories..
But a very accurate analysis by N. Ferguson (whose book the Pity of War is spot on)
I only realised how many Polish people were here when I tried to buy Naan bread and found all my local shops were only selling Polish bread. Nothing to do with newspapers.
To Spence
Agreed. What I find particularly refreshing about Eastern Europeans is their lack of political correctness! They have in some way escaped from the Marxist relativist brainwashing imposed on the rest of us. Gives me hope!
This guy is smarter than this. He essentially said that older voters, which voted to leave, were uninformed. That is much less likely than the reverse being true.
I'm not getting that. He says older voters are nostalgic in a fast changing world ...not uniformed.
[He's pro-Brexit ...changed his opinion recently from Remain]
Matt Hannan brexit may take 10 year, by which time most of the people who voted for it will be dead
17 million voted for Brexit. They are not all going to be dead by any stretch of the imagination.
vandpubsell it's a joke...
chris ingram will not take ten years.
Someone once told me that "History is more of a life skill than a subject". Thank you for this concise and riveting interview.
Professor Ferguson underlines the importance of history perfectly.
"If you're over 65, there's a lot you don't like about modernity, sneer, sneer". Modernity: cost to Britain of non-EU immigration £120 billion. Cost of EU immigration £4 billion surplus (DT 5 Nov 2014). Hint: it's not other Europeans people object to supporting.
Ferguson says that older UK Voters didn't have a "sophisticated idea about why they voted for Brexit". His arrogance knows no bounds!
Well most people don't have a sophisticated view of why they voted one way.
Well since most of the project fear predictions and projections (based on the day after a 'leave' vote) have come to nothing, who could have a sophisticated idea with such biased and cooked-up globalist propaganda?
Hardcore Prawn what is your point? All i can gather is you're setting an arbitrary criteria for the validity of one's assertion to feel intelligent when you're really just being petty.
ferguson is a bilderberger, if you know what that means you know... if not then keep applauding these people, please do not think...
To be fair to him he has changed his attitude to Brexit since this interview ...
Niall has actually moved more in favour of brexit more recently; have a look at his interview with Dave Rubin
Couldn't agree more regarding the part of American politics, very well said!
very good conversation!
Guys like this still don't get it; liberal progressivism peaked sometime mid-to-late 2016. Elections in 2017 will bear this out.
Rigggghhhhttt. That's why none of them donated to him. People who had been enemies for half a century all joined together to stop him, and they're all still trying to make up excuses with confused looks on their faces....
The most clever ploy in history!!
It's about time someone is brave enough to research and write about Kissinger. And of course populism. Yes we are fed up.
Ferguson is correct. This doesn't represent fascism but rather a return to the pre Marxist political dichotomy; basically hardline conservatism vs classical liberalism. However, we shouldn't get too complacent given the period Ferguson is talking about gave us pogroms against Russian Jews, the final ethnic cleansing of Native Americans from their ancestral lands; and the mass genocide in the Congo. So not fascism per se - but hardly a bed of roses either.
trev moffatt ....Given that Kissenger is one part of the topic, you left out the Cambodian genocide, whose architect was Kissenger and the USA
Since 2004, a million Poles have migrated to the UK, mostly to England, in 2016. What is Ferguson talking about??? That is not including the influx of hundreds of thousands of Romanians, Bulgarians and other Eastern Europeans, etc, and Indians, Irish, etc.
@ 18:11 maybe not yet but that is what we are leading up to.
Feels like Ferguson is suggesting that anti-EU sentiment is also anti-free-trade. And it can be quite tiresome when we examine the lowest common denominator arguments for these populist movements without at least acknowledging any of the more considered concerns.
It's not just old white men scared of multiculturalism and longing for some nostalgic pre-commonwealth Britain.
Some people are concerned about the aggressive centralisation of power, the idea of Europe becoming a monolithic power bloc with a single army and its policy to extend up against Russia's border. Power blocs of this kind just don't behave well, absolute power corrupts etc. Europe as a unified military force would be stronger than the sum of its constituent parts but we've seen how these empires operate and might like to keep decision making suffuse (or diverse) as a result.
And of course America and all the corps want the EU. They need to be able to direct European politics through one convenient power centre, rather than run around trying to get individual governments on board.
You don't need to even talk about migration to argue against the EU.
I have not been in he U.K for a while. So i am curious if people in general notice positive or negative differences after Brexit . Maybe it's to soon to see any consequences yet ?
Spiritual Anarchist We haven’t left the EU yet and by all accounts, the ‘elites’ are doing everything in their power to prevent it, though I expect Boris will pull a form of Brino eventually. We will still be trying to extricate ourselves completely from the mess in 2030 I can assure you.
Isn't populism just another term for majority?
What is is wrong about being against " mongrelization"?
Such patronising BS and often wrong. If people are coming in their tens of thousands to do the work Brits wont do (actually cant afford to do due to low low pay) and if these immigrants are good for Britain, why then are they immediately upon their arrival eligible for and indeed claiming in many cases, the full range of benefits for which Brits have contributed all of their lives . Why also are they allocated State housing over Brits as long as their 'need' is considered to be greater than others because they have a large family and pitch up with no home to go to. ? Free healthcare is also available to anyone who cares to come to Britain claiming to wish to work. Most immigrants send a large proportion of earned income back to their home countries so claiming they benefit because they they spend on goods and services is also false, indeed they cost taxpayers because they can also claim child benefit, even if their children dont reside in Britain, tax credits etc etc
Britain is a tiny overcrowded and divided island now and immigration needs to be seriously restricted, before all our services collapse entirely and before there is civil unrest................
That's a political problem more than an economic one
Grey and Blue advocates of mass migration often dont live in those communities themselves... often jews clamor for multiculturalism everywhere on earth except inside Israel. The same goes for all other countries. Ask palestinians if theyll take in Syrians refugees
Interesting discussion especially looking at rise of populism. I assumed that the West is moving towards political extremes (left v right) which is a short step from breakdown of democracy.
Darell Tupper-Carey ....the current system which leads to ever greater wealth inequality will, ultimately result in its demise as the end result will be a revolution....and the workers will, again, take their fair share and the rich can go to hell.
What a bunch of Marxist hooey. "the workers will..." Wow. What century are you from? The current system of the wing-nut "progressive" west, which man-splains to everyone who has to listen, how racist, homophobic, misogynist (yadda-yadda) all who do not call to heel when whistled-at. "Populism" is only a deriding term because it is being set up to be same. "Fascist" (forgot that one in the list above), likewise, is intended likewise to be an accusation, intended to put the "other side" on the defensive. Consider, just for a moment, what the position of the accusers is - the one spouting Marxist claims that "the end result will be a revolution....and the workers will, again, take their fair share..." Consider, just for the next moment, how many people were enslaved, and for how long, under the likes of said Marxist brain trusts. Stalin by himself killed more of his own people than Hitler did of all the lands he conquered - and for far longer. Then add Pol Pot. Then Mao. No less than hundreds of millions have been relegated to unending misery and death at the hands of the so-called "peoples workers party" of various sorts.
Indeed, it is a challenge to democracy. The ugly lie that permeates, however, is that the "right" has not moved in terms of its priorities in 5 generations. But the left has moved, from discussion of priorities of guns vs butter, to a demand that no discussion be permitted about anything aside from who the biggest victim of the "other" is, and how best to shame that "other" (and all who touch same) into compliance with the cultural Marxist "thought." The right, perhaps more accurately called "conservatives," still call for strong military, strong national economic policy, and stability of culture and society more generally - to wit, it also tends to explain the perspective on mass immigration of any sort (never mind unbridled illegal immigration... and forced transmigration of Middle-easterners into the west). These have been the priorities of conservatives for several score. But the priorities of the anti-liberal "progressive" left, perhaps more accurately the cultural Marxists, have moved wildly further from the center, as the "winner" of the cultural Marxist political game, internal to those circles, is a positive feedback loop. "In this battle, the more committed, wins" is the going-in, and operant, reality within that unfortunate cabal.
Sorry disagree with his rhetoric especially from a Scot, who always have hated the English, so he is biased in this respect. Luton is a north London town that is not even reconised as British where immigration has failed. He's right about the Elitists and that they are blind to normal people.
He needs to spend more time talking to ordinary people. I voted for Brexit like many other people to regain Britain's sovereignty. The EU had morphed into a totalitarian state ruled over by unelected administrators who we couldn't vote out. I wanted the power returned to the people of this country to have enough influence to vote out whatever fool politician or political party had been in power and had fucked up for the past 4 years! And let's face it there have been many of them and there will be many more to come. Oh and another thing loads of young people well under retirement age and older than 24 also voted for Brexit.
entrepreneurial intuition is key also for business of governing. no data no facts, sometimes just intuition. Statesman fate is not of tragic hero, but of entrepreneur, so long people pay taxes he is doing good job.
If anyone is in any doubt about how much shit this guy spouts from time to time watch his presentation on WW1.
URL or hyperlink please.
5:35 Um... there are more Polish-BORN people in the U.K. than any other migrant nationality in the U.K. Population is estimated at 840,000-1,000,000 in 2018, where there were less than 100,000 in 2003. Polish is the second-most spoken language in the U.K. Get your head out of the guardian mate.
we need a hard brexit
Ferguson, you are so wrong. Brexit was merely the tip of the iceberg. It was merely step 1. Step 2 will be the addressing of our laws which allow the country to be surgically altered into a "multi-cultural" miasma. You're association of Brexit with MAGA is a reach. MAGA is about harking back to America's height during the Ike era. Brexit is not about regressing into British imperial sentimentality (when Britain was at its height, in terms of power). Brexit is about making a start. No more, no less.
Professor Ferguson. the elites (Right, Left and Moderate) are intent on globalism. They will fail. Reason = they are playing with fire.
PS: Kissenger's theories on limited nuclear war are pure Ivory Tower Hoodlum stuff. Read Col. David Hackworth's views on that in his "About Face".
Ferguson comes up with real howlers from time to time, like saying the Battle of Rorke's Drift was bigger and more important than the Battle of the Alamo. Or that the Vietnam War could and should have been won by America as Britain defeated a Communist insurgency in Malaya. He has also completely misread the Battle of Kursk by reinforcing well worn clichés, as what took place in Sicily followed by the 3 Mius River battles was what really counted - read Georg Nipe's "Decision in the Ukraine, Summer 1943".
Professor Ferguson is still a brilliant and insightful historian/hybrid economist. But he is, on his own admission, a cosmopolitan, pan globalist, post modern man.
The younger Scottish voters are Pro-Scottish Independence & Pro-EU membership
Not looking too good for the UK
ukok kev I say get the Scottish out nothing but a financial drain on the rest of Britain
Polls following the brexit referendum showed that the Scottish majority would vote to remain part of the UK and give up EU membership. I don't know where the figures breaking down this vote on an age basis as you suggest come from. You will recall the Independence referendum failed.
polls from ipsos mori conducted for STV
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As for the 2014 ref...many voted to remain in the UK as westminster conducted a campaign of threatening Scots with being thrown out of EU....ONCE BITTEN....EH
ukok kev ...Not really. Scotland is a tiny part of the U.K., and it relies heavily on Westminster for its funding, so Scotland would be insane to break away from the rest of the U.K.
I hope Scotland's future will reflect the will of the majority of the Scottish people, but as far as the EU and funding is concerned I would consider article 126(11 - bullet point 4) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (get into debt = EU fine/sanctions)
I used to respect this guy. Now he is talking lies
"If you're a Daily Mail reader it might seem people from Poland are taking jobs." I think he forgot to mention the folk on the ground EXPERIENCING this and not just reading about it. But hey, I just couldn't afford to compete in my business against Polish moving here setting up businesses at a fraction of the profit because they live ten to a two bedroom house whilst I priced to make money for my family. But at least I got raped by a migrant in the end. I read that that was happening in the Daily Mail too. Who would think I would EXPERIENCE it.
History is tragic and voters don't like tragic
Even when you take out all of the economic stuff and just make it about "cultural" change, well that change that some of these people like to condescendingly speak of isn't necessarily a good thing. Human culture isn't equally good. Like what has happened over the last decade as the US has backed off asserting itself internationally, we've seen Russia and China and supposed caliphs fill the vacuum. That's not to say that Russians or Chinese or Muslims are bad, but Putin and the CCP and Islamists are. And within those cultures the moderates and rational thinkers are suppressed and even killed by the extremists in power. That's not to say that the US or UK or "the West" in general doesn't have its faults, it certainly does and they're all on display for everyone to see, but to have growing pockets of Islamic radicalization in Europe and US influence abroad shrinking to the benefit of Putin gobbling up the Ukraine and bombing the shit out of Syria and destabilizing the EU or China pushing the Philippines and Vietnam aside because they can due to culturally relative ideologies largely from the current Western left is a very bad thing.
What is wrong about Populism?
Niall Ferguson watch PJW
Populism is the new punk!
Once upon a time two third of world population was Buddhist that was the time when India had its mark on the world. Similarly Britain had its mark for two centuries and America have its mark tor seventy years but after dominance of western countries for four hundreds years asia is again on the rise and on the way to its dominance for the coming centuries.
Lets just leave..we will not fight Israel's wars ANYMORE
the initial pathologising of Niall Ferguson in looking down especially to old people and Conservatives makes me cringe. I understand where he is coming but he better put his mind outside of his echo chamber. Forcing their type of Liberalism (Progressivism) created the rise of Populism that he is talking about.
You know he is a Conservative, right?
quite silly and wrong analysis..
Eric Watchtower ....okay, wise person, please elucidate and demonstrate your "brilliance"
Remlat Zargonix I didn't vote democrat.
A very poor and inaccurate script, being delivered by somebody who should know better. Waste of an education.
You're going to have to flesh that out. I don't follow.
omg harry kreisler is alive!! I thought for sure he'd be dead by now!!
Brexit is narrow nationalism.
apologia pro malo
Miss informed or paid to talk crap you decide
He is Rothschild's own Personal Historian. Enough said!
Someone's bitter.
Jeff Crowley ....and your expertise is demonstrated by???....Please pass along links to your scholarly works, so they can be peer reviewed.
"Personal historian"?
Ferguson has become such a bad joke, won't waste time with this.