Stable Swarm UI - GPU-Network Rendering

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  • Stable Swarm UI allows you to use multiple GPUs in a Network and multiple UIs to render your images. This can especially interesting for Grid and Batch processing of AI images. Stable Swarm UI can use A1111, ComfyUI and also online cloud API like the Stability API
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    00:00 Intro
    00:53 Install Stable Swarm UI
    03:49 Solve Install Problems
    04:36 Load A1111 Models
    05:25 Swarm UI explained
    06:26 Render Settings & ComfyUI
    07:48 Add other UI APIs
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  • @OlivioSarikas
    @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    #### Links from my Video ####
    github.com/Stability-AI/StableSwarmUI
    docs.google.com/document/d/15CEBtpKsFIRfZG-WNaAs9euyW0RYzClUy3VE5yZp4IY/edit?usp=sharing

    • @LouisGedo
      @LouisGedo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      👋

  • @DrHanes
    @DrHanes 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Looks like the Multi GPU part of this video is playing hide-and-seek, and it's winning! But in all seriousness, I think the uploader accidentally left the Multi GPU magic off-camera.

    • @HistoryIsAbsurd
      @HistoryIsAbsurd 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      NO accident, just clickbait

  • @TheSpaceman1972
    @TheSpaceman1972 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    The important part is missing, how to config it for multiple GPU‘s within a local network. 😢

    • @crobinso2010
      @crobinso2010 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think he means multiple GUI maybe???

    • @AIMusicExperiment
      @AIMusicExperiment 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In your server configuration tab you enter the GPU number that you want it to prioritize for each backend that you set up. Of course the power of this is that it uses whatever gup or other memory is available.

    • @Grimmwoldds
      @Grimmwoldds 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@AIMusicExperiment This is the second video that said "multi-GPU" in the title from a "reputable" ai image/text gen youtuber that didn't mention anything regarding multi-GPU even with it in the title. I'm gonna have to ask, WHO TOLD OLIVIO TO SAY THIS? Usually the video title is an summary of the video, click bait, or paid advertising. This video is either #2 or #3.

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I show in the video how to setup A1111 to be addressed by the API. the only thing you need to do on top of that is to use your local ip by looking into ipconfig. It's in early alpha, so it might be a bit of a mess to set it up correctly, but the only thing you need to so is to address a local API of your UI

    • @DanielVagg
      @DanielVagg 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@OlivioSarikas
      From what the repo says, I am under the impression it's more for utilising many different installs to help with really large images or workflows, like how BitTorrent protocol works with large files. Or maybe allowing people with less powerful hardware to produce large scale images. We just haven't seen anyone demonstrating this particular setup or usage.
      I'm guessing we add our "node to the network" at some point, but this remains unclear.
      Amazing content BTW, keep up the stellar work 💗 love your videos and the positive attitude you and your community bring 😊

  • @benzpinto
    @benzpinto 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    i think a particular use case for this multi-GPU feature is that you have a few pc/laptops with low-mid range GPUs and are all connected to the same network. you use one of the laptops to install this software and then, run Auto1111 on the others with listen mode on. Connect the laptop with this software to the rest of the laptops. If this works in this situation, then its probably cost effective to buy multiple old used pc/laptops with low end GPUs to generate something on par with a single high-end GPU. only testing results can tell if its worth it

    • @Xanderfied
      @Xanderfied 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed, the ability to use web based gpus, while I'm sure was made with the idea of generating income for server farms, will actually cut down on the need to purchase a $2k gpu for most users. Not to mention making subscription or hourly based fees much less hassle to start

  • @Otis151
    @Otis151 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    You do videos on how to install, but I usually don’t know what the thing is/does. I’m sure this format is working for you, so I’m not suggesting change. I’m just letting you know maybe doing a companion video as to why I could/should be interested in this technology would be useful to me, personally. Not sure if others agree.

    • @lithium534
      @lithium534 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the idea.

  • @mufeedco
    @mufeedco 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    You can use the Anaconda environment to help manage dependencies and isolate projects. Installing Torch makes it easier to use.

    • @blender_wiki
      @blender_wiki 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You mean you MUST use Anaconda. 😅😉😉👽👽

  • @changtc8873
    @changtc8873 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the sharing Olivio

  • @timeTegus
    @timeTegus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    cool can u maby show how it runns on 2 pcs together to show the imprvments of performence? also i ahve ne pc with a 3090 and one with a 1070. when i add both to the swarm do ican load models with the combo of hte vram? like 8 + 24? or how is the performance added together? btw cool video!!!

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I show in the video how to setup A1111 to be accessible by API and how to add the API to Stable Swarm. Is it really that hard to figure out you have to use the local ip of a different computer instead?

    • @timeTegus
      @timeTegus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@OlivioSarikas yes but how does it function if i have 2 pcs. like odes halve of the process run one one pc and the other on hte other pc? how does the swarm work?

  • @guayard
    @guayard 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Olivio, thanks for a great (as always) tutorial, but what do think about it, how "swarm" feels compared to 1111? Have it any significant benefits?

  • @MilesBellas
    @MilesBellas 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Using GPU access time as a form of currency = powerful

  • @stanleywtang
    @stanleywtang 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Am I missing something? how does it work with multiple GPUs in the same network?

  • @monolofiminimal
    @monolofiminimal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sounds great - I want to go the other direction though and have something like onnxstream implemented, though the other issue with that is getting models in onnx format.

    • @phizc
      @phizc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are tools that can covert safetensors or ckpt to onnx, so you can use the existing models. I haven't tried myself yet, but I've read a bit about it. I think there may be an issue about onnx being less flexible. E.g. you can't select resolution after conversion, and LoRAs must be baked. But this was something I read a few months ago, so it might have been fixed. Also, that was onnx, not onnxstream, so the latter may add other limitations. Not sure. No expert.

  • @guayard
    @guayard 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It looks like Swarm does not work with a lot of custom models in default workflow, tested few like DreamShaper, abyssorangemix, and some more - images are completely mess of noise and some random objects sometimes, and if you play with settings it became even worse. But in ComfyUI workflow Swarm works pretty well, and as i see even faster compared to 1111, but i don't really like to play with nodes, it of source gives you some illusion of control, but i don't see how it may be useful. Most of the time i want to quickly pick the settings and press "generate".

  • @musicandhappinessbyjo795
    @musicandhappinessbyjo795 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Will there be a speed reduction compared to simply using comfyUI?

  • @luman1109
    @luman1109 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you make a small stack of 1080s on a raspberry pi dedicated to rendering? Like a personal rendering server.

  • @DrDaab
    @DrDaab 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great Videos! Does the install.bat allow you to install to another partition then C: ? Also, will it run ROOP ?

  • @admiralgeneralaladeen1851
    @admiralgeneralaladeen1851 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hey olivio, i have been having a problem making loras, but the members of your discord cant help so this is my last dich effort for help. i have been having the problem that everytime i make a lora thats trained on photo realistic images, the lora comes out with a anime or cartoon like style. can you help me?

  • @Nyarlatha
    @Nyarlatha 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I tried to install it and it said i had a existing pakage already installed.. What do i do?

  • @bmorg7244
    @bmorg7244 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    in reading the documentation for swarm ui it does not use multiple gpus to generate the same image. If you have two gpu in your local machine and you generate a batch with two images it just uses one card for each image. Still not the holy grail of multi gpu power that we were hoping for!

  • @Theexplorographer
    @Theexplorographer 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Um, Multi-GPU? Or Multi-GUI? Big difference my friend. I have 7 GPUs here I would like to utilize a few of them for rendering. Looking at the thumbnail one would believe this was a tutorial on how to set up A1111 with multiple GPU's. Am I wrong here?

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, you can have multiple GPUs in multiple computers. I think the API element gives some indication to that. I don't know if you can address specific GPUs inside the same computer, but i don't think a lot of people have a setup like this, while a lot of people have access to mutiple computes online and offline that they can connect to

    • @phizc
      @phizc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@OlivioSarikas I'm not sure how to do it in that GUI. As in how the program sends different jobs to different backends, but running multiple ComfyUI instances, one per GPU on the same computer is possible if you have enough RAM.
      This is one way to set it up:
      1. Make a copy of the ComfyUI install.
      2. In the copy, edit the "run_nvidia_gpu.bat" file. Add "--cuda-device 1 --port 8189". You may have to tweak the cuda-device value, if e.g. "1" is the default because it's the most powerful or something.
      3. Launch the original and copied ComfyUI. You should have 2 different web browser windows, one for the default GPU (probably device 0), and one with device 1.
      For more GPUs, make more copies, and increment the values in each.
      It's possible you don't even need to make a copy of the entire ComfyUI folder. A copy of the launcher bat file might be all you need, but I'm worried that one instance would overwrite setting files etc. of the other and cause trouble. It's at least likely that you only need one copy of the python (system) folder.
      Note: I don't have multiple CUDA GPUs, so I can't test this, but if OP has, I'd be willing to try to help set it up. I'm on the Discord.

    • @alienrenders
      @alienrenders 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@OlivioSarikasit's still not multi gpu.

  • @danielsuarez5663
    @danielsuarez5663 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi, not sure what I'm doing wrong... can get the shortcut

  • @aZiDtrip
    @aZiDtrip 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hi,, do you have an update on that multi gpu rendering ? we have 3 machines running at my home. 2 with rtx3090's and 1 with 4090, i can get one machine to use another gpu via the swarrm network. but i cannot get it to use multiple gpu's its just a remote one or the local one. it would be real fun to know how much performance can i can get if i get 3 gpu's doing the task

  • @c0nsumption
    @c0nsumption 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So technically I can run Auto1111 on another machine (locally) and instead pass the address to that system and the port it’s running on?
    This will let me use both machines on one machine essentially

  • @dimonapatrick243
    @dimonapatrick243 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @OlivioSarikas, could you make video for miaoshou assistant extension for A1111

  • @sneedtube
    @sneedtube 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I missed the part about the gpus network

  • @lithium534
    @lithium534 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love to know how to run it with multiple GPU as I have an old 980. Together with my 1080 this could be great for faster and larger images.

  • @erickstamand
    @erickstamand 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lines that begin with "rem" are commented out and are not executed. So dotnet 7 sdk won't get installed

  • @anonded
    @anonded 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i hope we will soon be able to combine all the gpu's one has all of which could be in different local computers/laptops to use for generating images just like the petals project for llms...

  • @farizyal8108
    @farizyal8108 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how to show the it/s in swarm ui?

  • @Cryptocannnon
    @Cryptocannnon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    sooo could i say put 5 gpus into one of my old mining motherboards and use all the gpus to render images ?????

  • @ducpham1920
    @ducpham1920 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am looking for a solution to use Stable Diffusion to generate image with multiple GPUs at once (like i can use 4 GPUs to generate 1 image to make the rendering more faster). Is there any project like that for now Olivio?

    • @benzpinto
      @benzpinto 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      4 GPU's on 4 different computers. that is what this software seems to suggest, yes.

  • @arifkuyucu
    @arifkuyucu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    any video about Mac install?

  • @TheBobo203
    @TheBobo203 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Would be cool to use 2 cards locally without SLI xDD

  • @spiritpower3047
    @spiritpower3047 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi ! 😍 Please can you tell me how to interpolate frames for a video LOCALY (gpu) with the new google "FILM" algorithm or better ? i have tried and installed some stuff but it does not work 😓

    • @robthegreatt1
      @robthegreatt1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Flowframes

    • @spiritpower3047
      @spiritpower3047 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robthegreatt1 the special "FILM" algorithm is not inside the list of the flowframe models 😕

  • @Feelix420
    @Feelix420 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i need your negative prompt boss

  • @MoS910
    @MoS910 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Unfortunately my device has only RTX 1060 (msi laptop) so i can't use it locally 🙁.
    And the bat file work only if i put in desktop and i don't want it in desktop

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you can use online APIs too

  • @randymonteith1660
    @randymonteith1660 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You never mentioned if you had an extra GPU in your computer? Isn't the idea of Swarm is when you have multiple GPUs installed? If not why would anyone bother with this?

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, the idea of a swarm is to have a swarm of machines. Meaning you connect multiple machines with a GPU each.

  • @MrSongib
    @MrSongib 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:30 I wish we had this for A111.
    it's seems fun and fast to just load the pipeline for certain task that you want to do.
    For example, my own workflow is that testing prompt, then proceed to Adetailer, Do some inpainting maybe, and then upscale it with 2 more sript that need to be enable (ctrlnet and Ultimate upscale).
    The problem is I need to setup three different tabs for this and for now it's ok (a bit annoying sometimes). but I wish that we can load certain settings fast for different type of task inside the WebUI.

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why don't you use comfyUI for that and have it all in one setup. not sure if comfyui has inpainting (other than automated with things like adetailer) but the rest should work

    • @blisterfingers8169
      @blisterfingers8169 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@OlivioSarikas It does. Right click on an image in a Load Image node and you can mask the area you want. Replicating automatic face detailing in the same style as Only Masked in Auto doesn't seem possible atm, though.

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@blisterfingers8169 awesome, thank you!

  • @DalviqCash
    @DalviqCash 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    as of now the GitHub writeup has no mention of the multi-GPU support anywhere in it nor as an implemented feature neither as a planned one. from the looks of it the whole thing seems to be more Mac oriented than any other SD solutions so far. If the multi-GPU support was ever mentioned in the write up, which being alpha gets, quite understandably, updated on a daily basis , then I believe it was a feature that would , by design, be geared much more towards utilization of as many M1 or M2 GPU cores as possible and obviously not meant for any other use case such a a typical windows rig with 2 physical graphics cards installed .

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Github page literally says "the original key function of the UI: enabling a 'swarm' of GPUs to all generate images for the same user at once" - that sounds a lot like multi-GPU useage to me.

    • @DalviqCash
      @DalviqCash 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OlivioSarikas didn't read that far tbh, but still the motivation doc the write-up refers to - it is linked from the "title page" - kind of confirms my guess by saying, I quote " it must be able to use available CPU cores while serving user requests and managing internal data to be able to respond to all requests as quickly as possible" . Available CPU cores (??? what?) - which I believe is a typo and should actually read GPU cores- is NOT the same as physical graphics cards or GPUs as they are commonly known . M2 based Apple Mac has up to 16 GPU cores if I'm not mistaken, and those are the primary candidates fore the project like this. The same motivation doc does not say - clearly - the idea or motivation is to be able to use more than one discrete GPU or graphic card or even more than one GPU core on a single card as is the case with some Tesla cards.

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DalviqCash gpu cores are not the same as GPUs. Your CPU has a lot of cores but is still only one CPU

    • @jeffscott3186
      @jeffscott3186 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The simplest way I can explain this. The GPUs crunch numbers (rendering), and the CPU directs traffic.

    • @DalviqCash
      @DalviqCash 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jeffscott3186 sure but in this case the traffic has to go somewhere and that somewhere will be most likely in the cloud which makes the whole idea a front end to a cloud based solution which it obviously isn't. In tech it is imperative to either present a turnkey solution which needs no explanation or a clean and straightforward manual describing steps end user is required to perform to reach the desired goal on their end. After reading both the writeup and the motivation doc for this project twice I saw nor former neither latter. The way it looks now is yet another take on the user interface for the current version SDXL which in my opinion is fast going nowhere, but that is of course the completely different story.

  • @peterpui7219
    @peterpui7219 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it's unstable now..self starting ComfyUI and Automatic 1111 the server configuration work very bad in connectivity.

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's early Alpha

  • @user-dj3rd4my5k
    @user-dj3rd4my5k 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Its still a work in progress.. Loras and many of these things don't "work as yet" but i must admit its downright fast...

  • @Havic22123
    @Havic22123 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it seems this could boost the speed the speed of animate diff potentialy

  • @Thozi1976
    @Thozi1976 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    00:00 💻 Stable Swarm UI ist ein neues Projekt von Stability AI zum verteilten Rendering mit GPUs.
    00:41 📁 Die Installation läuft über eine Windows Batch-Datei, die alle Dateien herunterlädt.
    01:47 🖥️ Nach der Installation wird automatisch die Web-UI geöffnet. Probleme können mit Neuinstallation behoben werden.
    03:23 🧠 Modelle müssen manuell zum Server hinzugefügt werden, wenn sie nicht automatisch gefunden werden.
    04:58 🎨 Es können verschiedene UIs wie stable-diffusion-webui genutzt werden durch Konfiguration.
    06:16 🖌️ Über die Workflow-Editor-Oberfläche können Knoten hinzugefügt und Workflows erstellt werden.
    07:25 📈 Mit Upscaling kann die Bildauflösung deutlich erhöht werden für bessere Resultate.
    08:50 🌐 Alternativ kann die UI auch über das lokale Netzwerk erreicht werden, nicht nur lokal.
    09:31 🚀 Durch verteiltes Rendering mit mehr GPUs können Projekte schneller fertiggestellt werden.

  • @oaahmed7515
    @oaahmed7515 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What is the required size of the graphics card, is 8 GB vram enough?

    • @timeTegus
      @timeTegus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yes but you need lots of system ram. i think 32gb. but system ram is cheap to upgrade :)

    • @0AThijs
      @0AThijs 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@timeTegus Depends....

    • @oaahmed7515
      @oaahmed7515 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@timeTegus good. I have 64 ram

    • @AIMusicExperiment
      @AIMusicExperiment 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yes

    • @0A01amir
      @0A01amir 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      4GB VRAM and 8GB system memory is enough for SD 1.5 on ComfyUI and Auto1111.

  • @blacksage81
    @blacksage81 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonky, is 100% the right word for how this whole stable swarm thing feels to me right now, but, it isnt all bad. For some reason, I must have botched my auto1111 install and every time I try to load an XL model, it either takes several minutes to load, or doesn't load at all. But in Stable swarm? XL models load just as fast as 1.5 models load on my auto1111 install, so I guess I'll use both until all the scripts are updated and the community finally tames XL.

    • @Vyshada
      @Vyshada 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, had that issue too where attempting to load sdxl model would result in crash. So i tried comfy ui, and my only regret is that I hadn't tried it sooner. For some reason, not only it loads models WAY faster, but also reduce generation speed somehow

  • @anamulhaquenahid659
    @anamulhaquenahid659 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is RTX 3060 12gb a good gpu for this task? ((((NEED HELP)))

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      should be for one instance of a AI UI

  • @onroc
    @onroc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Multi-GPU Rendering?

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The project says "the original key function of the UI: enabling a 'swarm' of GPUs to all generate images for the same user at once"

  • @PerfectArmonic
    @PerfectArmonic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ufff! One year I was waiting for already… they promised that they’ll do it, but alas! Politicians promises! They promised then that they will do an SD ai NN that will be able to do in graphics what chatGPT does already with words: I mean a consistent dialog after the prompt. For instance: On my first prompt I write: “A beautiful girl wearing blue trousers. The image is generated. Then the dialogue will continue: “Now maintain every aspect of this generated image (here they can find a special emoticon or symbol because this expression will be used a lot by millions of ppl) and change the color of the trousers in red” The image will remain exactly the same except the trousers color. Further: “Now make her smile, keeping the consistency” she will smile! “Now turn her head 15 degrees (or pi/12 radians for others) to her right and 30 degrees upward. And so on! To make the user feels like a puppeteer! This will be the state of the art! Remember: Do they promised but never approach this idea! Already passed one year since they promised “The puppeteer SD” and nothing! When they will start to work on that?

  • @purplebladder
    @purplebladder 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    these never work for me

    • @purplebladder
      @purplebladder 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      this is the fix they tell you to do if it doesnt make a shortcut after trying the first bat again...TODO Even easier self-contained pre-installer, a .msi or .exe that provides a general install screen and lets you pick folder and all..... like what msi or exe is there to choose

  • @MrSongib
    @MrSongib 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    SLI dead for a reason. xd
    tbh the problem for AI is Memory. other than that it's just a support from AMD or NVIDIA. wcyd
    now i'm thinking for soldering memory that some people do (though idk about the driver). xdd

  • @MrWeda2
    @MrWeda2 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm sorry... I treated you like a teacher. You helped me deal with the not simple history of the relationship between artificial intelligence and a CREATIVE HUMAN... Now everything is different. I understand that it's important to inform people what's going on. But things get more and more complicated. Please decide, as an artist, what you are working with and I will follow you along this path...
    With respect and best regards, Alexander.

    • @OlivioSarikas
      @OlivioSarikas  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm not sure what you mean by that. almost all of my videos are about Stable Diffusion. This is just a tool to host multiple stable diffusion UIs

  • @maybetonite
    @maybetonite 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Considering you're in your fourties and you're seeing yourself as a "passionate artist", didn't you have enough time to like.. learn actual art? To master color, composition and form? Achieve something, that will represent your efforts, embody your mind and soul? Something that can be your life's work? Something that will have value? I've seen people 14-16 years old whose creativity evokes a whole range of emotions and yet they have a whole lives ahead of them, many-many years to improve, sparpen and perfect their skills. This is depressing.

    • @ronnetgrazer362
      @ronnetgrazer362 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Wow, you must be really happy with yourself to need to put other ppl down, or at least try to. Cheer up, life can be fun!

    • @maybetonite
      @maybetonite 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ronnetgrazer362 I'm always happy to put down a liar or someone who lives in delusion trying to pretend to be something they're not. Life sure can be fun, especially if you do nothing but consume.

    • @ronnetgrazer362
      @ronnetgrazer362 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@maybetonite So... you do nothing but consume, *or* is life not particularly pleasurable for you?
      I sense projection on your part, perhaps unknowingly. I mean, here you are, commenting on YT instead of slaving away at original works, pretending to know not just this uploader's total creative output, but his self-image as well.
      Maybe it feels nice to lash out on the keyboard, but it reads like insecurity or low self esteem.

    • @lonelycuriosity4784
      @lonelycuriosity4784 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      problem is, most people are only interested in the pretty lies these days, no matter how insane that is

    • @maybetonite
      @maybetonite 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ronnetgrazer362 You radiate such a strong '50 yo hardly coping with life' energy that I don't even want to talk with you. I assume my initial comment offended you in some way, causing you to have an appropriate defensive response? That's the only defense mechanism I can see here. You don't understand the subject, its problematics and also having a hard time understanding the written. Get some grip on reality, if your brain is still capable of doing so.