As both an imperial guard and WW2 historicals (mostly flames of war) player, just need to tell you how much I love you. Keep being you. My two favorite wargaming Brits, one's yelly ones turn the volume up, I'd love to see y'all play bolt action against each other
In my opinion, having fewer online guides is a good thing, in some respects. It means that you SHOULD just go and play and try things out and see what works and what doesn't. That to me is way more fun than theory crafting and copy-pasting a list.
I've started collecting bolt action very recently and have quite a small budget. After a small bit of research, I've found I can make a technically functional army with a single box of infantry. Using just this one box, I've made a 662 point Fallschirmjager army, and I'm planning on getting a support group next
I'd love for you and your mates to get stuck into some campaign games, it's the next step from 1000 point pick up games. Trying to unpick a line of bunkers and mine fields with a three to one advantage. It's the best.
One of things that made me a bit hesitant in jumping into bolt action was actually the fact that it is a smaller game, I like the feel of a company or multiple platoon sized engagement, then I learned about tank war. And I'll say the system works well and is smooth even at higher points values. The Rulebook even has a section for that in the appendix regarding the ODL rule which makes activations matter even more, and with the tank war supplement you can run armored platoons, and running 2 platoon games of 2000 points has been a lot of fun, manouverability still plays a large role, and often times you see large concentrations of troops fighting while there's several smaller skirmishes around the board. This is especially fun in attack and defense missions where each player is looking for an opening to either fill or exploit. All in all It's been a breath of fresh air compared to 40k in it's current broken state.
I love my Guard but the tournament scene is getting to the point where I think it’s time for a break. Don’t get me wrong, I love tournaments but realizing Guard aren’t getting any support and the meta is dominated by moneyhammer pro players is getting to be a bore. Maybe bolt action is worth a look.
Had to laugh about the "in your first two games you'll get relatively light causities" comment, in my first couple of games I'd lost almost all my men by turn two. It's very possible with some terrible luck and my tactial genius.
@@dannyhalas9408 Seconded on Wargames Atlantic. It's just a very good company in general, and they've got a small but growing range of good, cheap WWII models.
I think the big thing with Bolt Action is that people lean more towards historically accurate (within limits of the rules) lists compared to competitive lists. Another thing people forget is that you can have multiple force selectors in your list.
Most tournaments if they allow theater selectors, which I prefer, only allow the same force selectors to help prevent cheesing things out with options.
K47 needs rules for custom walkers. I also don’t know how they made a game with mechs and the Japanese only get 2. One of them is a flat out German mech?! What is that crap?!
@@jsizzlesaurusrex so there is a comunity rule set out there for BA to make your own vehicles (experiment/late war stuff) and I know some people have been using that sort of to build there own custom stuff in konflikt. it just involves alot of comparing various difrent vehicles, like at one point I figured out the point to add a tesla cannon to an AB41 and a semovente 75/34.
I think all you really need is a box of infantry. Inside is 30 models (40 in the case of Soviets) and bits to make officers, lmg teams, and at least one special weapons team (at, sniper, light mortar, at team). From there grab a tank and transport you like.
It's been so long since I played, but a fond memory was my Japanese sniper somehow plinking just the Sgt of the SS squad I targeted, possibly not even killing, as my opponent brought a tank, I belive a tiger or panther with them, and with only one pin marker, scared the squad off the field
Solid advice. Personally I usually suggest new players get the Band of Brothers sets because they get the rule book and order dice which are not included in the starter army sets.
@@dakotah7683 It's like marmite, I know people that love it. Personally the mini's don't do anything for me and I love the history element of BA so I'm not interested.
I’ve always loved the look of ww2 minis and recently used 40k proxies with this game system. Feels a lot more balanced and the dice draw adds that extra suspense…my 9yr old loved it so we will be taking the plunge next payday.
2000 point army. I laugh at that as I got about 15,000 points for my Soviets and 18,000 points for my German and I have been only playing for about 8 months now. got 17 vehicles for my Germans and 14 vehicles for my Soviets everything from a Sd Kfz 2 Kettenkrad up to a Jagdtiger (Germans ) to a Ford GPA SEEP up to a JSU-152 for the Soviets. I usualyy run 1000 to 1250 point list for both But with just getting the Jagdtiger I might actually have to do a 1500 point list to bring it out as for inexp it is 448 points and regular it is 560 points. But I am also probably going to take it with the low fuel rule where every move or pivot you roll a dice and if it comes up a 1 then the vehicle is stuck as it ran out of fuel, if you roll a 2 then on the next turn it can move but falls under the out of fuel rule. Anything else on the D6 it still has fuel and so can move, but you get a 10% discount and so it is only 404 points inexp and 506 points regular.
I have played a bit with my friends, I have Russians and some Germans that need put together. Plan on doing a US 8th Armored army next year because that's what my grandpa served in and a US 33rd Infantry force for Konflikt since I served in the National Guard unit that it became
Have you seen the new armoured platoon rules in the US DDay supplement? Being able to leave guys behind manning half track MMGs to support the ground troops is so much fun.
@@dannyhalas9408 not yet, I mainly looked into Konflikt since my first box was the Russian starter. I have ebooks of the main rules, Armies of the Soviet Union, and Armies of the US for Bolt Action and all the Konflikt books
hehe, i love your videos, subscribed and all that... but i must admit that for full comprehension i find myself turning on the closed-caption option. england and the us - two nations separated by a common language. 😄 edit: if you want a quick laugh turn on the cc and watch your own videos; you can see the towel army from the far side enclosed wipe out the sherman infant tree.
I have a load of Bolt Action stuff in my garage but I have never played it. I even have an unopened box of tank kits. May be I should give it a chance the main problem is that I have no terrain for this scale.
"Switching from 40k to Bolt Action? Now that soldiering" I tried to buy the Sharpe Box Set last week but the store wouldnt sell it too me because one of the disks was cracked :(
I know I'm 3 months late but just a small note, if you want you can absolutely fit let's say 2 tanks into a list, or 100 men. Each platoon you bring has to consistent of the CO and 2 compulsory infantry troops, and otherwise includes all the restrictions you mentioned. However there is nothing stopping you from bringing more than one platoon if points permit it. This is more viable if not required when you start playing games with higher points limits but it's still technically possible in a normal 1k point game.
I really need to sort my russians out, but I'm holding out for a new plastic kit for the infantry, until then I'll be using my Desert Rats! I enjoy playing bolt action, maybe I should ask some of my friends if they want to play a game of it soon?
hint if you are interested in italians for bolt action. I really recomend you look at wargames atlantic Italian kit. it comes with a good ammount of options, I think 30 regular troopers and two models to use as HQs along with a medium machine gun. thay are also better sculpts then bolt action in my opnion. there german kit is also amazing and thay are going to be releasing some ww1 Russians that will be perfect for early ww2 Russians (or poorly supplied russians)
I did not know that, cheers. I've go the plastic italians from warlord and I really love the sculpts but some renforcements with a plastic MMG... Fantastic.
@@jsizzlesaurusrex my greek army/resistance force for konflikt/BA, uses the resistance mixed with stuff from the German panzer Lehr box and the Italian box. also sort of started uninentially building Bolt action greek civil war edition because I'm building my Russian force to represent the communist elements of the greek resistance.
The WWI French infantry box can work well for WWII as well. Whether as WWII French, or as Harlem Hellfighters. WA also have a box for German Panzer Lehr Division troops. Good for late war veterans or tank crew.
@@Bluecho4 thay specificly included bits in the ww1 french kit so you could use them as early ww2 troops. and I expect a similar addition for the upcoming ww1 soviets kit.
Been a Bolt Action lover for a LOOOOONG time.. and Im getting more and more new people coming up saying the same thing "Sick of GW's bullshit now.. whats Bolt Action?"
Is the mini on the same size of guard ? I m thinking of someway get the basic rules of bolt action online and proxy a battle with my brother ( who play guard too) You hyped me for the more tactical and logical rules
You could very much do that, you'd be missing order dice but in reality it's nice to have the orders written down on dice but but not necessary. You could use anything to represent them, Same with pin markers, I know people who use bottle caps. I'd recommend a cheap second Ed rule book, it has slimmed down army codexes in the back. The cheat reference sheet from the side bar of the bolt action sub reddit is really good for new players too.
@@dannyhalas9408 thanks a lots , i will find time to try that :) Just dont use tanks i guess , by the look of picture , 40k tanks are far more big than classic tank
Obviously, a person who wants to deviate from 40K but wants to use their existing models should look into One Page Rules. But if you want a collect an army in a completely different game, Bolt Action is a good choice. This video is for those people.
Completely agree. OnePageRules is amazing. However they don’t really have an equivalent yet for bolt action, and I don’t know if they necessarily will. So if you’re specifically interested in the dice activation and historical battles, I think bolt action is still a good option.
@@anywhomusic Dice activation, yes, that is a concern. But you CAN replicate the historical battles to an extent using just the Human Defense Force army list from Grimdark Future. (Just without the more futuristic weapon options, like plasma).
Am I the only individual who plays more than one military simulation game? I have three naval engagement games, Dystopian Wars, Black Seas Napoleonic, Steel Fleets WWI navy, plus Dread Seas and Age of Sail. We have a bunch of GW games like the Blood Bowl, the air combat thing, the bigger scale air combat thing, the big stompy robot thing, Space Hulk and an early version of the Kill team. Oh! and it is a total cack playing Apocalypse with two Warhound titans v multiple Imperial Knights, Bane Blade and Shadow Sword Then we have Flames of War desert campaigns, I am building for Alam El Halfa but also take pot shots at my son. We have hit the beach starter set for late war. We have Napoleonics French & British armies 28mm and Epic. A couple of really small scale air combat WW2 games and BFG Imperial fleet, Eldar and Chaos fleets. The point is that no one ever said you had to play the one game all the time. And our newest endeavour, Bolt Action late war, (Mainly because games don't seem to care about periods of the war and an early war unit will not have the fire power to deal). To address another issue, GW 40K is not a 2000 point game. Although that is an option, most competitive games I played were 1000 points with a roster of alternative units. Further the game rules allow for combat between 500 and 2000 points with many a stop in between. But on the 2000 point thing, I could field an army with 11 units worth 2000 points. In my BA starter set I have two vehicles, three crewed weapons, three infantry squads, a FOO & mate, a 2" mortar & mate, a CO and mate. You know, 11 units in a thousand points-ish. But it all came from the box. I gotta say though, I hate small boards. 4 x 4 does not allow for proper flanking like a 6'x 4' boards. Most players I played on that size board never new how to use the space. By the way, when you said people need a refresher when playing 40K because the same old problems crop up. I rather think that is the players. I have to admit I used to be Orks and it was fun until Phil Kelly nerfed them so badly while pricing them through the roof that I ditched them. All my favourite Ork toys were made illegal. So I switched to Eldar and I have been gaming them ever since. I learned to change with each new rule set and treated as a collection hobby so that I can set out any kind of army I like and be competitive. It is just a matter of the right tactics for the day and learning mutual support for your units for specific tactical objectives in the game. I don't see it being any different in Bolt Action.
My infantry load outs are rather straight forward. Germans I take 10 man squads of either Regular or Vet Grenadiers with 4 Stg-44's, 1 LMG, and the rest with rifles or MP-40's depending on points and round it out with 2 Panzerfaust. Soviets it's 11 Veterans with 3 SMG's 1 LMG, and the rest rifles with 2 Panzerfaust and they have the tough fighter trait. Why 2 Panzerfaust? Because 5 times out of 6 the first one misses. And being a 1 and done weapon that can be devastating against something like an early M-3 Stuart with it's 2 MMG's and 2 LMG's for a total of 18 hit dice!!!!
Light casualties in turn 1 and 2? LOL I was teaching a new player how to play and lost both an 88 and a vet sniper team in the first three dice of the bag turn 1. Dude couldnt not roll 6 with his mortars, tank and sniper team. Unfortunately the hyper competitives are making their way into BA. We have a store down in South FL whose BA community thinks they are playing 40k and always bring super cheesy and/or very unhistorical armies to events outside their area. "Friendly" games with 4 vet outflanking engineer squads with flamers, multiple Ho-Ros accompanied by hordes on inexperienced spearmen. They are really spoiling the event scene for many of us.
I'm not really sure that your argument that bolt action is a much 'younger hobby' than 40k, in relation to the existence of its competitive scene, holds up in relation to the historical wargaming hobby. People have been wargaming WW2 for far longer than GW has existed and Bolt Action is just one of many rulesets for the period. Competitive gaming was always fairly unusual in historical wargames - it happens with ancients sometimes, yes, but even the very idea of using points to create army lists was a pretty alien concept in many historical wargames until fairly recently. Bolt Action is a bit of an oddity in that it tries to bridge the gap between historicals and the GW design ethos, but don't mistake 40k for a model to which it aspires.
What are your thoughts about making a list with heavy artillery instead of tanks. My grandfather served in support of the 6th army in the Philippines and it would be great to make a list that's both playable and honors his memory.
@@First_Sea_Lord_Ford thanks. I haven't played yet or even started building the few bolt actions models I have. I dove into their ACW boxed set so I have around 2500 models to finish painting first
Do any of you Guard commanders use bolt action units for counts as? If so how’s the dude difference? ( In vehicles and infantry) also do they fit the rest of your army aesthetically or do they break immersion
As both an imperial guard and WW2 historicals (mostly flames of war) player, just need to tell you how much I love you. Keep being you. My two favorite wargaming Brits, one's yelly ones turn the volume up, I'd love to see y'all play bolt action against each other
I love bolt action, I always remember the time I had an inexperienced mortar team club half a squad of fanatic SS veterans to death in melee.
In my opinion, having fewer online guides is a good thing, in some respects. It means that you SHOULD just go and play and try things out and see what works and what doesn't. That to me is way more fun than theory crafting and copy-pasting a list.
I've started collecting bolt action very recently and have quite a small budget. After a small bit of research, I've found I can make a technically functional army with a single box of infantry. Using just this one box, I've made a 662 point Fallschirmjager army, and I'm planning on getting a support group next
I'd love for you and your mates to get stuck into some campaign games, it's the next step from 1000 point pick up games. Trying to unpick a line of bunkers and mine fields with a three to one advantage. It's the best.
I think that will be coming next tbh. We are already organizing the next event and its much more of a narrative one :)
Pls keep doing bolt action videos i'm starting out in bolt action with a friend in Spain and There is not much community so is nice to learn from you
Awsome man, who are you playing?
Same here!!! Just started to build my soviets!
@David Vilorio Baraja The doesn't sound bad, I love the 9th age!
i played bolt action for about 3 years still own a american ranger force - super game super easy to pick up and fun. anything from warlord is great
You can tell playing BA that they are the guys behind the old warhammer rules, just feels a lot more immersive!
One of things that made me a bit hesitant in jumping into bolt action was actually the fact that it is a smaller game, I like the feel of a company or multiple platoon sized engagement, then I learned about tank war. And I'll say the system works well and is smooth even at higher points values. The Rulebook even has a section for that in the appendix regarding the ODL rule which makes activations matter even more, and with the tank war supplement you can run armored platoons, and running 2 platoon games of 2000 points has been a lot of fun, manouverability still plays a large role, and often times you see large concentrations of troops fighting while there's several smaller skirmishes around the board. This is especially fun in attack and defense missions where each player is looking for an opening to either fill or exploit. All in all It's been a breath of fresh air compared to 40k in it's current broken state.
I like playing big games of Bolt Action too, especially 2v2 with a 1000pts per player :)
I love my Guard but the tournament scene is getting to the point where I think it’s time for a break.
Don’t get me wrong, I love tournaments but realizing Guard aren’t getting any support and the meta is dominated by moneyhammer pro players is getting to be a bore.
Maybe bolt action is worth a look.
Had to laugh about the "in your first two games you'll get relatively light causities" comment, in my first couple of games I'd lost almost all my men by turn two. It's very possible with some terrible luck and my tactial genius.
Great Video, you already bought me into BA and I love it.
Been looking at Bolt Action for too long. I need to pull the trigger on a French Resistance army and grab some of those campaign books
I got the 2nd Edition Codex like 3 years ago and keep reading it. I am in the same boat but with the Soviet Winter box set.
i heavily recommend the wargames atlantic resistance plastics, so cheap. You'll need some bases but with the price of metal models it's the way to go.
@@dannyhalas9408 this is the way.
@@dannyhalas9408 Seconded on Wargames Atlantic. It's just a very good company in general, and they've got a small but growing range of good, cheap WWII models.
I think the big thing with Bolt Action is that people lean more towards historically accurate (within limits of the rules) lists compared to competitive lists. Another thing people forget is that you can have multiple force selectors in your list.
Most tournaments if they allow theater selectors, which I prefer, only allow the same force selectors to help prevent cheesing things out with options.
mandatory konflikt 47 comment. you really need to look into it.
K47 needs rules for custom walkers. I also don’t know how they made a game with mechs and the Japanese only get 2. One of them is a flat out German mech?! What is that crap?!
@@jsizzlesaurusrex so there is a comunity rule set out there for BA to make your own vehicles (experiment/late war stuff) and I know some people have been using that sort of to build there own custom stuff in konflikt. it just involves alot of comparing various difrent vehicles, like at one point I figured out the point to add a tesla cannon to an AB41 and a semovente 75/34.
One thing i realize when you try different table top game is the price. It so much cheaper for more stuff!
I think all you really need is a box of infantry. Inside is 30 models (40 in the case of Soviets) and bits to make officers, lmg teams, and at least one special weapons team (at, sniper, light mortar, at team). From there grab a tank and transport you like.
So true. I'd recommend doing just this for any new player. Get the stuff you want.
It's been so long since I played, but a fond memory was my Japanese sniper somehow plinking just the Sgt of the SS squad I targeted, possibly not even killing, as my opponent brought a tank, I belive a tiger or panther with them, and with only one pin marker, scared the squad off the field
Solid advice. Personally I usually suggest new players get the Band of Brothers sets because they get the rule book and order dice which are not included in the starter army sets.
What's your opinion, if any, on Konflict 47? From what I understand you can use most BA WW2 units alongside the scifi units
It's iffy in the community. Good game, but seen as a stop gap for GW converts
@@dakotah7683 It's like marmite, I know people that love it. Personally the mini's don't do anything for me and I love the history element of BA so I'm not interested.
@@dannyhalas9408 Very much so, you are either like the diesel and weird stuff or not.
I’ve always loved the look of ww2 minis and recently used 40k proxies with this game system. Feels a lot more balanced and the dice draw adds that extra suspense…my 9yr old loved it so we will be taking the plunge next payday.
2000 point army. I laugh at that as I got about 15,000 points for my Soviets and 18,000 points for my German and I have been only playing for about 8 months now. got 17 vehicles for my Germans and 14 vehicles for my Soviets everything from a Sd Kfz 2 Kettenkrad up to a Jagdtiger (Germans ) to a Ford GPA SEEP up to a JSU-152 for the Soviets. I usualyy run 1000 to 1250 point list for both But with just getting the Jagdtiger I might actually have to do a 1500 point list to bring it out as for inexp it is 448 points and regular it is 560 points. But I am also probably going to take it with the low fuel rule where every move or pivot you roll a dice and if it comes up a 1 then the vehicle is stuck as it ran out of fuel, if you roll a 2 then on the next turn it can move but falls under the out of fuel rule. Anything else on the D6 it still has fuel and so can move, but you get a 10% discount and so it is only 404 points inexp and 506 points regular.
I r recently started playing this and am having a great time with it.
I have played a bit with my friends, I have Russians and some Germans that need put together. Plan on doing a US 8th Armored army next year because that's what my grandpa served in and a US 33rd Infantry force for Konflikt since I served in the National Guard unit that it became
Have you seen the new armoured platoon rules in the US DDay supplement? Being able to leave guys behind manning half track MMGs to support the ground troops is so much fun.
@@dannyhalas9408 not yet, I mainly looked into Konflikt since my first box was the Russian starter. I have ebooks of the main rules, Armies of the Soviet Union, and Armies of the US for Bolt Action and all the Konflikt books
Love that real world connection that so many BA players have! :)
hehe, i love your videos, subscribed and all that... but i must admit that for full comprehension i find myself turning on the closed-caption option. england and the us - two nations separated by a common language. 😄
edit: if you want a quick laugh turn on the cc and watch your own videos; you can see the towel army from the far side enclosed wipe out the sherman infant tree.
Yeah we have a lot of slang that doesn't actually make sense in the UK!
I’ve jumped 2 footed into bolt action, I’ve now got unpainted UK, US, German & Russian. As a guard player I love it!
Bolt Action Converts rise up!
BoltAction! Just startetd and love it! More content please I started with the Japanese banzai Box. Greetings from germany
I have a load of Bolt Action stuff in my garage but I have never played it. I even have an unopened box of tank kits. May be I should give it a chance the main problem is that I have no terrain for this scale.
Glad you're doing BA content, I have some coming myself. Such a fun game!
Super Game, Bolt Action is fun to play and the community is great.
Plus one name should banish all doubts Rick Priestley :)
Our lord and savior, Rick Priestley!
Get Sharpe on the telly, then come and join us!
He's begun the journey with the gateway drug, give him a few years! It's all a part the wargamer ageing process.
"Switching from 40k to Bolt Action? Now that soldiering"
I tried to buy the Sharpe Box Set last week but the store wouldnt sell it too me because one of the disks was cracked :(
I know I'm 3 months late but just a small note, if you want you can absolutely fit let's say 2 tanks into a list, or 100 men. Each platoon you bring has to consistent of the CO and 2 compulsory infantry troops, and otherwise includes all the restrictions you mentioned. However there is nothing stopping you from bringing more than one platoon if points permit it. This is more viable if not required when you start playing games with higher points limits but it's still technically possible in a normal 1k point game.
I really need to sort my russians out, but I'm holding out for a new plastic kit for the infantry, until then I'll be using my Desert Rats!
I enjoy playing bolt action, maybe I should ask some of my friends if they want to play a game of it soon?
hint if you are interested in italians for bolt action. I really recomend you look at wargames atlantic Italian kit. it comes with a good ammount of options, I think 30 regular troopers and two models to use as HQs along with a medium machine gun. thay are also better sculpts then bolt action in my opnion.
there german kit is also amazing and thay are going to be releasing some ww1 Russians that will be perfect for early ww2 Russians (or poorly supplied russians)
I did not know that, cheers. I've go the plastic italians from warlord and I really love the sculpts but some renforcements with a plastic MMG... Fantastic.
Also their partisans box is 👌
@@jsizzlesaurusrex my greek army/resistance force for konflikt/BA, uses the resistance mixed with stuff from the German panzer Lehr box and the Italian box.
also sort of started uninentially building Bolt action greek civil war edition because I'm building my Russian force to represent the communist elements of the greek resistance.
The WWI French infantry box can work well for WWII as well. Whether as WWII French, or as Harlem Hellfighters.
WA also have a box for German Panzer Lehr Division troops. Good for late war veterans or tank crew.
@@Bluecho4 thay specificly included bits in the ww1 french kit so you could use them as early ww2 troops. and I expect a similar addition for the upcoming ww1 soviets kit.
5:56 Thank you!
Been a Bolt Action lover for a LOOOOONG time.. and Im getting more and more new people coming up saying the same thing "Sick of GW's bullshit now.. whats Bolt Action?"
You can also reuse the bolt action minis for Konflict 47.
Is the mini on the same size of guard ?
I m thinking of someway get the basic rules of bolt action online and proxy a battle with my brother ( who play guard too)
You hyped me for the more tactical and logical rules
You could very much do that, you'd be missing order dice but in reality it's nice to have the orders written down on dice but but not necessary. You could use anything to represent them, Same with pin markers, I know people who use bottle caps. I'd recommend a cheap second Ed rule book, it has slimmed down army codexes in the back. The cheat reference sheet from the side bar of the bolt action sub reddit is really good for new players too.
@@dannyhalas9408 thanks a lots , i will find time to try that :)
Just dont use tanks i guess , by the look of picture , 40k tanks are far more big than classic tank
@@clarkwalter7170 True, but If you want to test the rules it doesn't matter. Besides the troops are bigger too. Have fun with it.
They are similar size, but as others have said they are more "skinny".
My 8th British army is pink, like Salmon deserty pink with sand coloured webbing and helmets….
Always get the guys in Hugo boss
Literally me
Obviously, a person who wants to deviate from 40K but wants to use their existing models should look into One Page Rules.
But if you want a collect an army in a completely different game, Bolt Action is a good choice. This video is for those people.
Completely agree. OnePageRules is amazing. However they don’t really have an equivalent yet for bolt action, and I don’t know if they necessarily will.
So if you’re specifically interested in the dice activation and historical battles, I think bolt action is still a good option.
@@anywhomusic Dice activation, yes, that is a concern. But you CAN replicate the historical battles to an extent using just the Human Defense Force army list from Grimdark Future. (Just without the more futuristic weapon options, like plasma).
Am I the only individual who plays more than one military simulation game? I have three naval engagement games, Dystopian Wars, Black Seas Napoleonic, Steel Fleets WWI navy, plus Dread Seas and Age of Sail. We have a bunch of GW games like the Blood Bowl, the air combat thing, the bigger scale air combat thing, the big stompy robot thing, Space Hulk and an early version of the Kill team. Oh! and it is a total cack playing Apocalypse with two Warhound titans v multiple Imperial Knights, Bane Blade and Shadow Sword
Then we have Flames of War desert campaigns, I am building for Alam El Halfa but also take pot shots at my son. We have hit the beach starter set for late war. We have Napoleonics French & British armies 28mm and Epic. A couple of really small scale air combat WW2 games and BFG Imperial fleet, Eldar and Chaos fleets. The point is that no one ever said you had to play the one game all the time. And our newest endeavour, Bolt Action late war, (Mainly because games don't seem to care about periods of the war and an early war unit will not have the fire power to deal).
To address another issue, GW 40K is not a 2000 point game. Although that is an option, most competitive games I played were 1000 points with a roster of alternative units. Further the game rules allow for combat between 500 and 2000 points with many a stop in between. But on the 2000 point thing, I could field an army with 11 units worth 2000 points. In my BA starter set I have two vehicles, three crewed weapons, three infantry squads, a FOO & mate, a 2" mortar & mate, a CO and mate. You know, 11 units in a thousand points-ish. But it all came from the box. I gotta say though, I hate small boards. 4 x 4 does not allow for proper flanking like a 6'x 4' boards. Most players I played on that size board never new how to use the space.
By the way, when you said people need a refresher when playing 40K because the same old problems crop up. I rather think that is the players. I have to admit I used to be Orks and it was fun until Phil Kelly nerfed them so badly while pricing them through the roof that I ditched them. All my favourite Ork toys were made illegal. So I switched to Eldar and I have been gaming them ever since. I learned to change with each new rule set and treated as a collection hobby so that I can set out any kind of army I like and be competitive. It is just a matter of the right tactics for the day and learning mutual support for your units for specific tactical objectives in the game. I don't see it being any different in Bolt Action.
My infantry load outs are rather straight forward. Germans I take 10 man squads of either Regular or Vet Grenadiers with 4 Stg-44's, 1 LMG, and the rest with rifles or MP-40's depending on points and round it out with 2 Panzerfaust. Soviets it's 11 Veterans with 3 SMG's 1 LMG, and the rest rifles with 2 Panzerfaust and they have the tough fighter trait. Why 2 Panzerfaust? Because 5 times out of 6 the first one misses. And being a 1 and done weapon that can be devastating against something like an early M-3 Stuart with it's 2 MMG's and 2 LMG's for a total of 18 hit dice!!!!
Since when is the Bolt Action board 6'x 4'? I have been seeing all the games played on 4 x 4's.
I was thinking of Flames of War to have smaller, quicker to paint mini's and some good tank action :)
I've strayed away from GW and have gotten into Battletech and BA
Id recommend OPR grim dark more then bolt action.. As you can still use your GW minis.
Not looked into OPR, but I have heard only good things!
Light casualties in turn 1 and 2? LOL I was teaching a new player how to play and lost both an 88 and a vet sniper team in the first three dice of the bag turn 1. Dude couldnt not roll 6 with his mortars, tank and sniper team. Unfortunately the hyper competitives are making their way into BA. We have a store down in South FL whose BA community thinks they are playing 40k and always bring super cheesy and/or very unhistorical armies to events outside their area. "Friendly" games with 4 vet outflanking engineer squads with flamers, multiple Ho-Ros accompanied by hordes on inexperienced spearmen. They are really spoiling the event scene for many of us.
@mordian u have to have a community discord!
What books do i need? I have the rule book. Armies of the United States & Armies of Germany?
I'm not really sure that your argument that bolt action is a much 'younger hobby' than 40k, in relation to the existence of its competitive scene, holds up in relation to the historical wargaming hobby. People have been wargaming WW2 for far longer than GW has existed and Bolt Action is just one of many rulesets for the period. Competitive gaming was always fairly unusual in historical wargames - it happens with ancients sometimes, yes, but even the very idea of using points to create army lists was a pretty alien concept in many historical wargames until fairly recently. Bolt Action is a bit of an oddity in that it tries to bridge the gap between historicals and the GW design ethos, but don't mistake 40k for a model to which it aspires.
i gave up on 40k long ago i have fun with 9th age
What are your thoughts about making a list with heavy artillery instead of tanks. My grandfather served in support of the 6th army in the Philippines and it would be great to make a list that's both playable and honors his memory.
Artillery is actually better than tanks in game, what they lack in mobility they make up for in pins and hit templates
@@First_Sea_Lord_Ford thanks. I haven't played yet or even started building the few bolt actions models I have. I dove into their ACW boxed set so I have around 2500 models to finish painting first
Do any of you Guard commanders use bolt action units for counts as? If so how’s the dude difference? ( In vehicles and infantry) also do they fit the rest of your army aesthetically or do they break immersion
It doesn't work at all, the weapons are completely different sizes
I’m gonna get the japanese starter set, and run them as Tau with Gunpla battlesuits