CASE UPDATE: Yesterday a 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel unanimously ruled against the government in a long-running class action lawsuit from IJ on behalf of people who rented security deposit boxes at US Private Vaults. Read the press release here: ij.org/press-release/federal-appeals-court-slams-fbis-actions-in-security-deposit-box-raid/
Who that works for our government thinks these types of seizures are ok? We are quickly turning into a communist country. Congratulation on your win. BTW nobody begrudges the officers who going after the criminals who a perpetrating crime, ie I guess the owners, but this shotgun approach to all the boxes is just disgusting.
The Judge made stipulations on the Warrant, the FBI ignored those stipulations, the FBI unlawfully even according to the warrant opened the boxes. The warrant specifically said the contents of the boxes themselves were not the subject of the warrant.
You can't blame the judge unless and until you know what was stated in the affidavits submitted by the FBI agents. The judge is not -and does not- investigate people. As a judicial officer he goes by what the law enforcement officers swear to in the applications for warrants. It is not his fault if the FBI lied to him or if the agents exceeded the scope of their authority and searched and seized what they were not authorized to.
@@michaelofsc4143 , "From what I heard, the warrant didn't include the contents of the boxes." from what I read a couple weeks ago, the warrent included directions for the boxes to be explictly excluded. If that's truely the case, then the FBI could easily be summoned by the Judge that signed off on the warrent to answer some questions. On another point, The FBI would have been responsible for the computer data reguarding access to the vault.
A lawsuit isn't going to result in anything, especially if they get their property back. The court would just rule that the case is moot at that point because the remedy they were seeking had already been provided.
Yeah.... The company that provided the safe deposit boxes pled guilty to conspiracy to launder drug money and other assorted offenses. If you had a safe deposit box there it was reasonable to assume that possibly you might be somebody who was laundering drug money. This practice of laundry and drug money has taken many forms over the years most notably in the form of buying jewelry and art and such and storing them in privately owned facilities that provide safe deposit boxes. If however you are an innocent victim and had nothing to do with laundries, drug money or processing illegal profits from any "venture", then of course you would be entitled to all of your property, returned in its original condition along with an inventory signed in triplicate. Your "Karen" lawyer should have advised you of this. ...and I'm a layman.
The sad part is even if they win the case, it's highly unlikely the person(s) responsible will pay any real price, and any settlement $$ will come from you and me.
Exactly. Any and all settlement money needs to come from those that made the decisions, like the pension funds of those involved. And end qualified immunity for those issuing orders.
It’s ok they use my tax dollars to watch shrimp on a treadmill pissing away our money since the 70s they can use my tax dollars to pay these families👌🏼
Not only that, but you can count on a lot of items "getting lost" and never returned. Also, they'll demand an itemized list and receipts for each item before returning anything. Major impediments to getting your possessions back.
I'd say for those that are guilty of whatever high crime of course they should lose all their assets. And knows people that are innocent should get all their belongings back.
@@withwingsaseagleeyesThe burden of proof should be on them. The burden of proof should be on the justice system. They shouldn’t have to prove their innocence. Instead the Justice system should have to prove their guilt first.
I agree with civil forfeiture being wrong. But qualified immunity is neither unconstitutional or immoral. You realize our police couldn’t even operate without some form of civil immunity? Imagine being completely open to personal lawsuits by every idiot that thinks they’ve been done wrong. It would be impossible to even be a cop, you’d basically sign up to be sued. Maybe the laws surrounding qualified immunity can be changed to be more narrow so that bad cops don’t skate on things. But we can’t just get rid of it.
@@joelsefur666 I concur that qualified immunity must go. It is incompatible with a free society. To have an armed force whose mission is to control and oppress the population and to be the violent enforcers of government policy and to have that force face zero accountability for their actions is compatible only with fascist, totalitarian regimes. Lots of professionals have to make split-second decisions under intense pressure (think physicians and nurses) and they don't get qualified immunity, they are responsible for both their bad acts and their mistakes. Maybe without qualified immunity, the police would have some incentive to clean up their corrupt, unjust system. Not all cops are bad, but all cops work in a bad system.
@@joelsefur666 Doctors do not have qualified immunity and they have 100% more reason to have it than a police officer does. I don't care about your feelings on the matter: if a cop breaks the law they should be held responsible for it. Period. No one should be above the law, NO ONE.
I know, right? It's almost as if they are begging and pleading for a violent revolution. I hope they can handle it when they realize 81 million Biden supporters were mostly duplicated ballots and don't represent actual, battle-ready soldiers. the 75 million who voted for Trump however..........
@Frank dos May he didn't clean it up the last time, he only replaced the corruption with his own. And the FBI did nothing as he fomented an insurrection and putsch in order to stage a coup. Why give him a second chance?
@@edwardmiessner6502 "And the FBI did nothing..." Doesn't that tell you something? The whole thing was staged by the FBI and CIA in order to make Trump look bad. Police were directing people into the Capitol building, most people there had no idea what was going on.
@@edwardmiessner6502 - You're stuck on that insurrection bullshit. Do you really believe that a bunch of unarmed people went to the Capital to overthrow the U.S. government? Dumb-ass!
ironic thing is, according to steve lehto, the warrant explicitly stated that the contents of the lock boxes were not a part of the search and seizure.
Exactly. The boxes should not have been opened. The government should have contacted each box owner, had them come individually, open and remove the box contents.
It doesn't take even one second to not illegally confiscate people property. I'd be using this as an opportunity to destroy civil asset forfeiture and take power away from government.
There is a deep state and we are in a tyrannical takeover by the Marxist left. Do you really think the things Biden is doing is of his own accord? No, the man can hardly put two sentences together and has a bigoted history and now all of a sudden he in enacts all these racist anti white programs and states white supremacy is the biggest threat to the US, who are, antifa? When I see all the Asian violence and people being attacked it’s not a ‘white’ group of terrorist
Cronies and comrades mean the same thing so does their ideology. The vast majority is neither alt left or alt right. Its the same totalitarian ideology being used to divide U.S. Virtue Signaling is a form of Communist Confucionism. Art of War.
CASE UPDATE: New evidence brought to light in IJ's federal class action lawsuit reveals the previously hidden history of the federal government’s raid, which deliberately violated the constitutional rights of hundreds of people throughout Southern California. Read the press release here: ij.org/press-release/lawsuit-uncovers-the-inside-story-of-the-fbis-plans-to-take-security-deposit-boxes-without-charging-owners-with-crimes/
Judges and all law enforcement that do this on a daily basis to people, should be held accountable. No "qualified immunity" so they can make tax slaves pay for their mistakes.
First they will not win , as the government enjoys Immunity , secondly even if they did win being a class action they would only see pennies on the dollar , their lawyers will clean up real good , and we all know it is all about making the lawyers more rich .
From what I understand the actual warrant was specific and the FBI wholly interpreted it to justify this massive asset grab. To which the judge should have bench warranted them all back into his court room and found them all in contempt, and guilty of perjury since clearly they lied about their intent when seeking the warrant. That action alone would get the judge off the hook and since it was not taken, I agree even the judge should be held accountable for this disaster.
@@TheAIishere But that will never happen thanks to "Qualified Immunity" - truly The FBI is seizing the means of production in their efforts to consolidate The USSA (United Soviet Satellites of America).
@@rustym.shackelford5546 you won't have qualified immunity for breaking the 4th amendment. "Qualified immunity, established by the Supreme Court in 1967, effectively protects state and local officials, including police officers, from personal liability unless they are determined to have violated what the court defines as an individual's "clearly established statutory or constitutional rights." They broke the 4th amendment, so constitution, judge did not grant them the right, they are all personally liable. The question is more whether it's worth going after the individual or the department, department has more money.
Yeah.... The company that provided the safe deposit boxes pled guilty to conspiracy to launder drug money and other assorted offenses. If you had a safe deposit box there it was reasonable to assume that possibly you might be somebody who was laundering drug money. This practice of laundry and drug money has taken many forms over the years most notably in the form of buying jewelry and art and such and storing them in privately owned facilities that provide safe deposit boxes. If however you are an innocent victim and had nothing to do with laundries, drug money or processing illegal profits from any "venture", then of course you would be entitled to all of your property, returned in its original condition along with an inventory signed in triplicate. Your "Karen" lawyer should have advised you of this. ...and I'm a layman.
Read the Fourth Amendment. The warrant must be particular and not general, both as to persons to be searched and property to be searched and or seized. General search warrants was on of the major reasons that we issued the Declaration of Independence, and fought the Revolution. The FBI is far worse than the British ever were.
Imagine how many charges they can put on ppl for having the "wrong" thing in one of those boxes. Also how they could gather certain info that might be damning or possibly illegal. Not to mention passwords/keys or other things that would allow them to access further into ppls private info/assets. This turns the real victim into a perpetrator. Not like that believe all victims bs where a crime hasnt even been established and/or its one persons word againest another.
@@HerMajesty1 All of it, if they can get away with it. There may eventually be some judicial intervention. If you live in one of the states that has voter initiatives, and get a repeal of the forfeiture statutes on a state level, and put in it a clause that state law enforcement agencies or individuals could not cooperate with the Feds, including penalties for doing so, you could put a big dent in it. The Federal statutes would have to be repealed by Congress or declared unconstitutional.
@@violetscott5628 Not really. Banks require ID to o0en accounts or get a security box. The business here is shown to require by the ads seen on-screen. People up to shady stuff would be much more likely to go to such a place. A fireproof safe only protects stuff for a finite time, and could be a prime target for looters if it does survive a fire intact.
Actually if done right this would be one of the few cases where it's likely appropriate use of civil forfeiture. BTW I'm against civil forfeiture because it's massively abused. Just pointing out this type of situation is literally what it was designed for if being used properly.
@@jefffraser4345 not mentioned in this video was the fact that the warrant used to search the place of business specifically stated the contents of boxes was not part of the warrant. Civil asset forfeiture is theft unless a crime can actually be proven. Without such a conviction seizure is unconstitutional.
@@RobertWGreaves told you I'm against civil forfeiture. However it's intent was to be used against cases of organized criminals to seize their money and assets when it was to difficult to directly tie them to a crime. Honestly we need judicial reform to get rid of the current set up that's been catered to protecting criminals. Criminal groups have the money and interest to modify the judicial system to favor them. For to long we've let them modify the system to the point they own our courts completely. Civil forfeiture was a misguided attempt to deal with the corruption and ineffectiveness of the courts.
@@Luckyrider1958 learn to read, everything you just said or false. First nothing in my conversation related to the illegal search and seizure of any boxes. The conversation was about civil forfeiture that I clearly said I oppose. I simply corrected that this isn't an inappropriate use of civil forfeiture but rather is literally the literal reason civil forfeiture was created for.
The sickening thing about this is none of the agents can be held accountable. Federal agents are just about totally immune to accountabilty because of qualified immunity. The worst thing the Supreme Court ever did.
The other problem is that the Orange Man has always supported robbing the America...errr, "civil asset forfeiture" and "sovereign immunity". Orange Man not good.
@@SM77785 Wtf, what does trump have to do with any of this ? You obviously are still suffering from lingering derangement. My god u idiot, in 100 days biden has taken the US into a pile of shit out of nothing more than hate & despite just like u. get a life fucking idiot.
@@stephenhawkins1961 you guys are both idiots to think any of those two piece of shits give a shit about you. They are all in the same crooked affairs. What effects us daily will never affect them. We’re the ones looking dumb and at each other’s necks while they laugh and continue to get rich and take our rights
This is akin to being charged under RICO for merely doing business with a mafia front company. The government can't hold someone responsible for what laws others break especially when there's no mens rea or unintentional wrongdoing. Civil asset forfeiture needs to end unless someone has been charged with a crime and even then the accused needs to be convicted before they can keep it. I hope these people get justice for themselves and the other victims of this tyranny.
The FBI and DOJ charge people every day under the NDAA for unknowingly aiding "terrorist organizations" by donating money to charities or causes. The FBI and DOJ are now overt criminal organizations drunk with power
Yeah.... The company that provided the safe deposit boxes pled guilty to conspiracy to launder drug money and other assorted offenses. If you had a safe deposit box there it was reasonable to assume that possibly you might be somebody who was laundering drug money. This practice of laundry and drug money has taken many forms over the years most notably in the form of buying jewelry and art and such and storing them in privately owned facilities that provide safe deposit boxes. If however you are an innocent victim and had nothing to do with laundries, drug money or processing illegal profits from any "venture", then of course you would be entitled to all of your property, returned in its original condition along with an inventory signed in triplicate. Your "Karen" lawyer should have advised you of this. ...and I'm a layman.
So the FBI can search my rented house and seize its contents if I don't have proof of ownership because I'm renting it from a suspected criminal? It's no different.
@@philipocallaghan their is the vase of the FBI taking safety security boxes in California bc the bank was doing illegal work. Hundreds of people had their safety boxes seized... 2 years ago.
Why would drug cartels put their goods in a place like a public safety deposit store when they could just pay for the building of their own bank and keep their stuff there? It's not like they can't afford to.
The judge okayed the warrant against the business but specifically exempted the boxes from being searched. The FBI ignored the judge's instructions about not opening the boxes. They have no respect for the law or the courts.
FBI forgot: the right of the people to be secure in their houses, persons, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and warrant shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath and affirmation, particularly describing things to be seized and places to be searched.
@@killermogle Not true. The government must show probable cause in each and every box it wishes to search. Anything else is simply a police state and absolutely not to be tolerated. Unfortunately the FBI have been corrupted beyond redemption and needs disbanding with a new institution replacing it.
"That to secure these rights governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and institute new government...."
@@vettekkimmy If you have any interest you can read Pauline Maier's American Scripture. It's about the Declaration and also all the myriad Declarations floating around at the time.
*The Tree of Liberty is thirsty... and for ONCE in the history of this great republic, I suggest we water it with the blood of tyrants and criminals this time, instead of the blood of Patriots.*
Most of the agents involved in the raid were “just following orders”; I think we’ve heard this before. Whoever was in charge should be charged with several violations of the 4th amendment. These actions constitute tyranny and should be dealt with accordingly.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and PARTICULARLY DESCRIBING the place to be searched, and the persons or THINGS TO BE SEIZED."
So, they had the property for a time period. Charge them for the use of your property for that time period and since there was no agreed to price, set it to what you want.
"Giving back their property" should not be the end of this! WHO made the call? WHAT were they "investigating"? Heads need to ROLL. I hope this BLOWS UP in the Govt's FACE. BIG TIME.
That's why I watched 1st amendment audits because there true purpose is to educate people that if you don't use it you lose it. If you practice your rights every time the police, law enforcement and government employees will think what they did it's the right way because no one ever challenged their actions. Accountability very important
Justice can only be served by making the agents personally liable. Subject them to civil asset forfeiture. $1000 a day for every day they held the people's property hostage, plus punitive damages, plus legal fees. If banks commit criminal acts...and they do by virtue of their very business model...should all it's customers and investors be punished?
@@bamahama707 Well it should be self-evident. Still without veritable invalidation today, already the purported banking systems of the world can neither produce nor otherwise demonstrate any fact they give up lawful consideration in the purported creation of money, commensurable to the falsified debts they claim. But even more importantly then, their failure to do this further comprises a failure to justify that any property of the purported banking system is ever at risk, as only might ostensibly justify purported interest. What is so important about this of course, is that the present ever unjustifiable imposition of interest is itself is inherently terminal. 53 years ago, Mike Montagne proved, off the top of his head, that it is impossible to maintain a vital circulation (vital to sustaining the industry & commerce which are obligated to service the debt) subject to interest, without inevitably suffering a terminal sum of falsified debt. We don't borrow money from banks, and not even the falsified laws that have been imposed upon us can demonstrate so. Our debts are to each other.
You "We the people" need to remember who is in charge in your country.. STOP letting them get away with shit like this. March on the local FBI office, and start taking their stuff illegally, like they did yours...............
I’m interested to see if the warrant actually included the boxes or not. I suspect it was for the company’s property, and may have specifically excluded the boxes of customers. It wouldn’t make sense for a judge to sign-off on seizing the property of hundreds of citizens not part of the investigation, but it makes lots of sense that the officers carrying out the warrant would overstep it as that happens 100x every day.
My understanding of the search warrant. The Judge specifically excluded the boxes but, included the box frame. The FBI sized the box frame which included the boxes. When item are sized the FBI by policy inventoried item seized, which is the excuse the FBI used to open all the boxes. In other words they used some careful wording to by pass the Judges order.
@@jerry8986 Did it explicitly include the frames or did the judge just not consider that the FBI might "seize" the frames because they wouldn't have any investigative value and the objects inside them are explicitly excluded from seizure.
@@LC-uh8if Correct, the warrant specifically excluded search of the boxes. FBI "Inventoried", not "Search" the boxes. The FBI use the word "inventoried" ( FBI said FBI Policy) to get around the word "search".
If I were a judge: The individuals found responsible for this violation of civil rights would have all their properties seized and distributed to those whose rights were violated.
CASE UPDATE: Yesterday a 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel unanimously ruled against the government in a long-running class action lawsuit from IJ on behalf of people who rented security deposit boxes at US Private Vaults.
Read the press release here: ij.org/press-release/federal-appeals-court-slams-fbis-actions-in-security-deposit-box-raid/
Excellent news. But it's still insane that this was necessary.
Who that works for our government thinks these types of seizures are ok? We are quickly turning into a communist country. Congratulation on your win. BTW nobody begrudges the officers who going after the criminals who a perpetrating crime, ie I guess the owners, but this shotgun approach to all the boxes is just disgusting.
Congratulations and well done !
IJ, I can never say enough good about you!
@@TheDarkFalcon Yes, and the gov lied. Who would have thought?
Illegal raid means whoever did the raid needs to go to jail. Not a civil suit.
Rules for Thee not Me
I agree
Yeah, the word “”civil”” is a joke in this case.
Thats true. The FBI should arrest themselves.
At this point I'm on the fence about advocating lethal injection for illegal raids.
Remember there was a federal judge that signed that search warrant with no accountability?
The Judge made stipulations on the Warrant, the FBI ignored those stipulations, the FBI unlawfully even according to the warrant opened the boxes. The warrant specifically said the contents of the boxes themselves were not the subject of the warrant.
@@adriaandeleeuw8339 oh wow!
Gee, I wonder who the judge was, and who signed the affidavit for that warrant?
That's cause we the people allow them judicial immunity. Just look at family courts.
You can't blame the judge unless and until you know what was stated in the affidavits submitted by the FBI agents.
The judge is not -and does not- investigate people. As a judicial officer he goes by what the law enforcement officers swear to in the applications for warrants. It is not his fault if the FBI lied to him or if the agents exceeded the scope of their authority and searched and seized what they were not authorized to.
They need to sue, even if they get their stuff back.
From what I heard, the warrant didn't include the contents of the boxes.
Bravo
@@michaelofsc4143 , "From what I heard, the warrant didn't include the contents of the boxes."
from what I read a couple weeks ago, the warrent included directions for the boxes to be explictly excluded. If that's truely the case, then the FBI could easily be summoned by the Judge that signed off on the warrent to answer some questions.
On another point, The FBI would have been responsible for the computer data reguarding access to the vault.
A lawsuit isn't going to result in anything, especially if they get their property back. The court would just rule that the case is moot at that point because the remedy they were seeking had already been provided.
@@Rowgue51Interesting point, but which states and courts do practice law in?
We all see who the real crooks are...
Yeah....
The company that provided the safe deposit boxes pled guilty to conspiracy to launder drug money and other assorted offenses. If you had a safe deposit box there it was reasonable to assume that possibly you might be somebody who was laundering drug money. This practice of laundry and drug money has taken many forms over the years most notably in the form of buying jewelry and art and such and storing them in privately owned facilities that provide safe deposit boxes. If however you are an innocent victim and had nothing to do with laundries, drug money or processing illegal profits from any "venture",
then of course you would be entitled to all of your property, returned in its original condition along with an inventory signed in triplicate.
Your "Karen" lawyer should have advised you of this.
...and I'm a layman.
The sad part is even if they win the case, it's highly unlikely the person(s) responsible will pay any real price, and any settlement $$ will come from you and me.
Exactly. Any and all settlement money needs to come from those that made the decisions, like the pension funds of those involved. And end qualified immunity for those issuing orders.
It’s ok they use my tax dollars to watch shrimp on a treadmill pissing away our money since the 70s they can use my tax dollars to pay these families👌🏼
Except the judges or even SCOTUS will find a way to destroy their lawsuits
Yep...they play...we pay!
Not only that, but you can count on a lot of items "getting lost" and never returned. Also, they'll demand an itemized list and receipts for each item before returning anything. Major impediments to getting your possessions back.
End Civil asset forfeiture, qualified immunity, and other unconstitutional laws and practices that protects law-enforcement from the us constitution.
I'd say for those that are guilty of whatever high crime of course they should lose all their assets. And knows people that are innocent should get all their belongings back.
@@withwingsaseagleeyesThe burden of proof should be on them. The burden of proof should be on the justice system.
They shouldn’t have to prove their innocence. Instead the Justice system should have to prove their guilt first.
I agree with civil forfeiture being wrong. But qualified immunity is neither unconstitutional or immoral. You realize our police couldn’t even operate without some form of civil immunity? Imagine being completely open to personal lawsuits by every idiot that thinks they’ve been done wrong. It would be impossible to even be a cop, you’d basically sign up to be sued.
Maybe the laws surrounding qualified immunity can be changed to be more narrow so that bad cops don’t skate on things. But we can’t just get rid of it.
@@joelsefur666 I concur that qualified immunity must go. It is incompatible with a free society. To have an armed force whose mission is to control and oppress the population and to be the violent enforcers of government policy and to have that force face zero accountability for their actions is compatible only with fascist, totalitarian regimes. Lots of professionals have to make split-second decisions under intense pressure (think physicians and nurses) and they don't get qualified immunity, they are responsible for both their bad acts and their mistakes. Maybe without qualified immunity, the police would have some incentive to clean up their corrupt, unjust system. Not all cops are bad, but all cops work in a bad system.
@@joelsefur666 Doctors do not have qualified immunity and they have 100% more reason to have it than a police officer does. I don't care about your feelings on the matter: if a cop breaks the law they should be held responsible for it. Period. No one should be above the law, NO ONE.
I wonder why more and more people are getting tired of government bullies…
I know, right? It's almost as if they are begging and pleading for a violent revolution. I hope they can handle it when they realize 81 million Biden supporters were mostly duplicated ballots and don't represent actual, battle-ready soldiers. the 75 million who voted for Trump however..........
@Frank dos May he didn't clean it up the last time, he only replaced the corruption with his own. And the FBI did nothing as he fomented an insurrection and putsch in order to stage a coup. Why give him a second chance?
@@edwardmiessner6502 "And the FBI did nothing..."
Doesn't that tell you something? The whole thing was staged by the FBI and CIA in order to make Trump look bad. Police were directing people into the Capitol building, most people there had no idea what was going on.
@@edwardmiessner6502 - You're stuck on that insurrection bullshit. Do you really believe that a bunch of unarmed people went to the Capital to overthrow the U.S. government? Dumb-ass!
It's SICK how we the people don't have a say I'm much anymore.
ironic thing is, according to steve lehto, the warrant explicitly stated that the contents of the lock boxes were not a part of the search and seizure.
Exactly. The boxes should not have been opened. The government should have contacted each box owner, had them come individually, open and remove the box contents.
What is unsettling is the fact they did not target one or two safety boxes, but ALL with indiscriminate indifference.
This is why you should throughly hide your money from the government.
@D. actually yes
@D. you laugh, but that is literally true now
If they keep printing it, your $ will have one viable use at some point; you'll be able to use it as toilet paper... Reality 101
@D. Most mattresses are fire proofed (non flammable) by manufacturing standards law, but I guess maybe not in the USA.
Paper fiat currency will become useless soon. Food, ammo, medical supplies and precious metals are what we need.
It doesn't take even one second to not illegally confiscate people property. I'd be using this as an opportunity to destroy civil asset forfeiture and take power away from government.
FBI are stasi tyrant boot jacks.
@@aethelwolfe3539 definitely can be. They also have been proven to protect against terrorist plots and organized crime. I’d say it’s a mixed bag
You are owned; you own nothing; face lt.
This video seems fake af? Maybe its not but sure feels fake.
@2:50 for example lol
It’s going to continue to get worse, until the people put their petty differences aside, and fix it!
media working 24-7 to divide us
There is a deep state and we are in a tyrannical takeover by the Marxist left. Do you really think the things Biden is doing is of his own accord? No, the man can hardly put two sentences together and has a bigoted history and now all of a sudden he in enacts all these racist anti white programs and states white supremacy is the biggest threat to the US, who are, antifa? When I see all the Asian violence and people being attacked it’s not a ‘white’ group of terrorist
Cronies and comrades mean the same thing so does their ideology. The vast majority is neither alt left or alt right. Its the same totalitarian ideology being used to divide U.S. Virtue Signaling is a form of Communist Confucionism. Art of War.
Bored agents with nothing to do.
Obamas 3rd term
CASE UPDATE: New evidence brought to light in IJ's federal class action lawsuit reveals the previously hidden history of the federal government’s raid, which deliberately violated the constitutional rights of hundreds of people throughout Southern California.
Read the press release here: ij.org/press-release/lawsuit-uncovers-the-inside-story-of-the-fbis-plans-to-take-security-deposit-boxes-without-charging-owners-with-crimes/
Never put valuables in a safety deposit box. Plus they are not insured. And they are expensive.
That is why burying treasure in the yard is safer.
Oh, the yellow gold of Texas is what I wanna save. I will not pay no taxes if I hide it in a cave
@@jebediahkerman8245 interesting limerick, where or what is this from?
The only real security is security through obscurity.
@@wdavis9680 The Rich Texan from the Simpsons
@@MrArtVein mahalo
There should be many more suits like this at all levels. And the arrogant individuals who make these decisions should be held personally liable
Judges and all law enforcement that do this on a daily basis to people, should be held accountable. No "qualified immunity" so they can make tax slaves pay for their mistakes.
First they will not win , as the government enjoys Immunity , secondly even if they did win being a class action they would only see pennies on the dollar , their lawyers will clean up real good , and we all know it is all about making the lawyers more rich .
A civilian judge, and jury that can convict government officials would be a start. A 12 person jury.
Are you kidding me?
Where are the “legislators?” This is unacceptable!
They're getting rich off the tax paying peasants
@@rickysantana5658 You think theyre getting rich now just wait till they collapse the dollar into the peso.
Pelosi didn't have a box there so she doesn't give a shit!
Democrat policies at it's best! Lmao
California legislators? That's a laugh.
They missed the 5th amendment due process clause in addition to the 4th!! Their property was taken from them without due process (a very big no-no).
You don't get what you want in life... YOU ONLY GET WHAT YOU TOLERATE!
The actions of the judge who signed the warrant, the FBI, and all officials involved SHOULD face criminal charges.
From what I understand the actual warrant was specific and the FBI wholly interpreted it to justify this massive asset grab. To which the judge should have bench warranted them all back into his court room and found them all in contempt, and guilty of perjury since clearly they lied about their intent when seeking the warrant. That action alone would get the judge off the hook and since it was not taken, I agree even the judge should be held accountable for this disaster.
@@TheAIishere But that will never happen thanks to "Qualified Immunity" - truly The FBI is seizing the means of production in their efforts to consolidate The USSA (United Soviet Satellites of America).
@@rustym.shackelford5546 you won't have qualified immunity for breaking the 4th amendment.
"Qualified immunity, established by the Supreme Court in 1967, effectively protects state and local officials, including police officers, from personal liability unless they are determined to have violated what the court defines as an individual's "clearly established statutory or constitutional rights."
They broke the 4th amendment, so constitution, judge did not grant them the right, they are all personally liable. The question is more whether it's worth going after the individual or the department, department has more money.
@@Masterrunescapeer Well - I stand corrected. Thanks for the info. ☺
Yeah....
The company that provided the safe deposit boxes pled guilty to conspiracy to launder drug money and other assorted offenses. If you had a safe deposit box there it was reasonable to assume that possibly you might be somebody who was laundering drug money. This practice of laundry and drug money has taken many forms over the years most notably in the form of buying jewelry and art and such and storing them in privately owned facilities that provide safe deposit boxes. If however you are an innocent victim and had nothing to do with laundries, drug money or processing illegal profits from any "venture",
then of course you would be entitled to all of your property, returned in its original condition along with an inventory signed in triplicate.
Your "Karen" lawyer should have advised you of this.
...and I'm a layman.
The problem wasn't this business was allowing criminal activity, the problem was the gov didn't know what was in the boxes.
exactly. AND that is exactly none of the federalies business
Read the Fourth Amendment. The warrant must be particular and not general, both as to persons to be searched and property to be searched and or seized. General search warrants was on of the major reasons that we issued the Declaration of Independence, and fought the Revolution. The FBI is far worse than the British ever were.
Imagine how many charges they can put on ppl for having the "wrong" thing in one of those boxes. Also how they could gather certain info that might be damning or possibly illegal. Not to mention passwords/keys or other things that would allow them to access further into ppls private info/assets. This turns the real victim into a perpetrator. Not like that believe all victims bs where a crime hasnt even been established and/or its one persons word againest another.
I wonder how much will be stolen
@@HerMajesty1 All of it, if they can get away with it. There may eventually be some judicial intervention.
If you live in one of the states that has voter initiatives, and get a repeal of the forfeiture statutes on a state level, and put in it a clause that state law enforcement agencies or individuals could not cooperate with the Feds, including penalties for doing so, you could put a big dent in it. The Federal statutes would have to be repealed by Congress or declared unconstitutional.
Moral of the story, don't deposit valuables in a bank. This is just the beginning.
This was not a bank
Same thing
Or a privet company like this one
@@violetscott5628 Not really. Banks require ID to o0en accounts or get a security box. The business here is shown to require by the ads seen on-screen. People up to shady stuff would be much more likely to go to such a place.
A fireproof safe only protects stuff for a finite time, and could be a prime target for looters if it does survive a fire intact.
That is not the moral of the story, the moral of the story is don't trust any government agent and fight for your rights.
It's nobody's business why you want a safety deposit box! That in itself is government overreach.
Thanks to the Institute for Justice and the Snitkos for forcing the Government to follow the law. That even sounds strange to say.
The FBI has no justification for using civil asset forfeiture in this case.
Actually if done right this would be one of the few cases where it's likely appropriate use of civil forfeiture.
BTW I'm against civil forfeiture because it's massively abused. Just pointing out this type of situation is literally what it was designed for if being used properly.
@@jefffraser4345 not mentioned in this video was the fact that the warrant used to search the place of business specifically stated the contents of boxes was not part of the warrant. Civil asset forfeiture is theft unless a crime can actually be proven. Without such a conviction seizure is unconstitutional.
@@RobertWGreaves told you I'm against civil forfeiture.
However it's intent was to be used against cases of organized criminals to seize their money and assets when it was to difficult to directly tie them to a crime. Honestly we need judicial reform to get rid of the current set up that's been catered to protecting criminals. Criminal groups have the money and interest to modify the judicial system to favor them. For to long we've let them modify the system to the point they own our courts completely. Civil forfeiture was a misguided attempt to deal with the corruption and ineffectiveness of the courts.
@@jefffraser4345 Raiding any and all boxes.. in a HUNT for "something" to charge.. is OK with you? because that is what THIS WAS.....
@@Luckyrider1958 learn to read, everything you just said or false.
First nothing in my conversation related to the illegal search and seizure of any boxes.
The conversation was about civil forfeiture that I clearly said I oppose. I simply corrected that this isn't an inappropriate use of civil forfeiture but rather is literally the literal reason civil forfeiture was created for.
The sickening thing about this is none of the agents can be held accountable. Federal agents are just about totally immune to accountabilty because of qualified immunity. The worst thing the Supreme Court ever did.
Right. Watch the show Blacklist. 😂
The other problem is that the Orange Man has always supported robbing the America...errr, "civil asset forfeiture" and "sovereign immunity". Orange Man not good.
@@SM77785 Wtf, what does trump have to do with any of this ? You obviously are still suffering from lingering derangement. My god u idiot, in 100 days biden has taken the US into a pile of shit out of nothing more than hate & despite just like u. get a life fucking idiot.
@@stephenhawkins1961 you guys are both idiots to think any of those two piece of shits give a shit about you. They are all in the same crooked affairs. What effects us daily will never affect them. We’re the ones looking dumb and at each other’s necks while they laugh and continue to get rich and take our rights
Steve, more likely a tie between that and the Citizens United abomination.
The FBI's out-of-control needs to be broken up and reorganized
No. They need to be shut down and all agents fired and blacklisted from working for any other govt agency EVAH!
Since the FBI was created by an executive order, it can be abolished by an executive order.
The ones that truly need to be “canceled” never get it.
All law enforcement is out of control.
They, along with all policing forces in this country need to be abolished. If government has authority over you then you are not free.
When the law is above the law, there is no law...
The Constitution became irrelevant as the Elites' "legal" system gradually obfuscated it. Look around. It's BEEN gone.
Using any Safe Deposit Box is now like securing personal information with Google...
and 'gag-all' is only a generic name for Elitists and their corporate Prostitute puppets?
Post the name and photograph of the agent in charge. Put these tyrants on full display.
And hey wonder why people dont trust and are seeking to defend themselves from government.
or why the Libertarian party grows bigger every single year.
This is akin to being charged under RICO for merely doing business with a mafia front company. The government can't hold someone responsible for what laws others break especially when there's no mens rea or unintentional wrongdoing. Civil asset forfeiture needs to end unless someone has been charged with a crime and even then the accused needs to be convicted before they can keep it. I hope these people get justice for themselves and the other victims of this tyranny.
People lose their homes because of their kid deals weed one the side but lives in their parents home. The parents are innocent but still screwed.
Federal Govt is very corupt.
@@falcon127 the most corrupt in history!!
The FBI and DOJ charge people every day under the NDAA for unknowingly aiding "terrorist organizations" by donating money to charities or causes. The FBI and DOJ are now overt criminal organizations drunk with power
@@bernadettesandoval3990 worse than even the Roman Empire which was called The Beast in Revelation
Thank you.
Never trust Banks and Safety boxes as a business. Keep your "treasure" in your safe place.
This is crazy!!! Another example of government over stepping its authority.
Who ever signed the search warrant needs to be held accountable! Go after them and show that this will not be accepted!
Yeah....
The company that provided the safe deposit boxes pled guilty to conspiracy to launder drug money and other assorted offenses. If you had a safe deposit box there it was reasonable to assume that possibly you might be somebody who was laundering drug money. This practice of laundry and drug money has taken many forms over the years most notably in the form of buying jewelry and art and such and storing them in privately owned facilities that provide safe deposit boxes. If however you are an innocent victim and had nothing to do with laundries, drug money or processing illegal profits from any "venture",
then of course you would be entitled to all of your property, returned in its original condition along with an inventory signed in triplicate.
Your "Karen" lawyer should have advised you of this.
...and I'm a layman.
So the FBI can search my rented house and seize its contents if I don't have proof of ownership because I'm renting it from a suspected criminal? It's no different.
Or seize your car because the valet was smoking weed in the parking lot.
@@anthonyoer4778 Not the same at all, because the valet was IN your car.
@@philipocallaghan their is the vase of the FBI taking safety security boxes in California bc the bank was doing illegal work. Hundreds of people had their safety boxes seized... 2 years ago.
@@anthonyoer4778 what was the outcome of the lawsuits
Yep.
All involved with this theft should be placed in prison for a VERY long time
Where's the freedom of information documenting the agents who committed this crime ?
Well this was a governmental test case. Glad to see someone stand up and let them know the test didn't go well.
Every day the government shows us with acts like this. why the right to bear arms should never be given up.
you are an idiot!
Trust No Government!
So who from th he FBI is going to prison or getting fired for knowingly violating the LAW?
HAH!
Thanks for the laugh. That's a good one.
Glad about the update it's about time
Why would drug cartels put their goods in a place like a public safety deposit store when they could just pay for the building of their own bank and keep their stuff there? It's not like they can't afford to.
The judge who signed off on this illegal seizure should be publicly named and shamed.
The judge okayed the warrant against the business but specifically exempted the boxes from being searched. The FBI ignored the judge's instructions about not opening the boxes. They have no respect for the law or the courts.
And hung
Not the judge's fault this time. The warrant specifically said the contents of the boxes were not subject to the warrant.
FBI forgot: the right of the people to be secure in their houses, persons, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and warrant shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath and affirmation, particularly describing things to be seized and places to be searched.
Lol. Citizens don't have rights in corporate America. That is why those officials hide in their mansions so they don't get shot
You forgot: it’s not unreasonable to search safety deposit boxes in an institution that is laundering money.
@@killermogle depends what PC the FBI has.. if the PC is only for the bank, they have no right to search individual boxes.
@@killermogle Not true. The government must show probable cause in each and every box it wishes to search. Anything else is simply a police state and absolutely not to be tolerated.
Unfortunately the FBI have been corrupted beyond redemption and needs disbanding with a new institution replacing it.
The FBI needs to give every one of those people who they stole from about $1 M taken from the salaries of the Managers and Directors directly.
no... we don't want to pay for that. it would come out of tax payer monies.
@@BILLBILLH True, how about we just disband them instead
Getting the property back is not enough. The FBI agents in charge must go to jail.
Government should pay for legal fees and the time wasted.
Triple because it was fraudulent interpretation of a warrant that got this mess started...
civil asset forfeiture abuse needs to stop.
Are we sick of big government yet?
"That to secure these rights governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and institute new government...."
Where is this from?
@@vettekkimmy The Declaration of Independence.
@@vettekkimmy If you have any interest you can read Pauline Maier's American Scripture. It's about the Declaration and also all the myriad Declarations floating around at the time.
*The Tree of Liberty is thirsty... and for ONCE in the history of this great republic, I suggest we water it with the blood of tyrants and criminals this time, instead of the blood of Patriots.*
Who ever was overseeing this case and the federal judge who signed off on this should be fired.
Judges need to be held accountable!
I'm sorry for what happened to you....just goes to show how Evil our Government has become
Sending Prayers
I won't be storing my precious metals in a private vault! Forget having a gold IRA.
FBI botched this. I'm really starting to question the abilities of the FBI.
The same FBI that sat on hunters laptop for a year but still did fuck all
The FBI has been compromised since the obama days. That traitor politicized as much of the government as he could, DOJ, FBI, IRS, NIH, CDC, etc....
@Jan LeMay Of course I did. More of the same.
@@LairdJ56 Yep, that FBI. Makes you wonder, right?
They seized everything. The FBI's ability is much less in question than their integrity, legality, constitutionality....
Most of the agents involved in the raid were “just following orders”; I think we’ve heard this before.
Whoever was in charge should be charged with several violations of the 4th amendment.
These actions constitute tyranny and should be dealt with accordingly.
This channel is amazing. 🙏🏼
They were after certain people's boxes, and have to play it out, to hide their real intentions.
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and PARTICULARLY DESCRIBING the place to be searched, and the persons or THINGS TO BE SEIZED."
So, they had the property for a time period. Charge them for the use of your property for that time period and since there was no agreed to price, set it to what you want.
Or, you could step into reality and realize your statement is rubbish.
@@rickyrick9328 or you could just shut up
Love the work y’all do.
Civil forfeiture needs to be abolished
"Giving back their property" should not be the end of this! WHO made the call? WHAT were they "investigating"? Heads need to ROLL. I hope this BLOWS UP in the Govt's FACE. BIG TIME.
Not only return the box holder's property but be forced to pay monetary damages out of their budget.
Thank you for pursuing this as overreach is getting out of hand!
"Ooooh, pretty antique rings! My son can use them for his fiancee!" --- Sorry, no rings in this inventory.
Next thing they will want to enter your house without a search warrant and take valuable stuff under civil forfeiture laws.
Should be automatic death penalty for any government officials who violate humanity
I thought it was reported that the safety deposit boxes weren't part of the warrant.
Then why were those boxes AND THE CONTENTS seized?
@@bamahama707 because $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ like always $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
How much of the property stolen from these people will be lost while in fbi control?
Probably ALL of it.
I’m glad you guys are working on this case. It’s amazing what the fascists are trying to pull on us these days.
If you’re here illegally you already got your contents back plus a big fat check for extra… gotta love how corrupt the government has become…
They NEED to start holding these FBI agents & Managers countable -- Like JAIL Time!!!
I'd want to know where the twenty Krugerrands that were in the box went.
I am from the government and I am here to help you
lies .... lol
It’s amazing these folks are discovering their “rights” all of a sudden. Where have they been?!
Not exercising them.
That's why I watched 1st amendment audits because there true purpose is to educate people that if you don't use it you lose it. If you practice your rights every time the police, law enforcement and government employees will think what they did it's the right way because no one ever challenged their actions. Accountability very important
This is why I bury my money/valuables in the middle of nowhere.
Have you seen the losers that walk around with machines to detect what's underground? I see them all the time & it pisses me off.
I planted mine in the septic tank; anyone who digs it up can keep it.
My new favorite channel on youtube. Great coverage.
Justice can only be served by making the agents personally liable. Subject them to civil asset forfeiture. $1000 a day for every day they held the people's property hostage, plus punitive damages, plus legal fees.
If banks commit criminal acts...and they do by virtue of their very business model...should all it's customers and investors be punished?
Who actually committed the acts?
@@bamahama707
Well it should be self-evident.
Still without veritable invalidation today, already the purported banking systems of the world can neither produce nor otherwise demonstrate any fact they give up lawful consideration in the purported creation of money, commensurable to the falsified debts they claim.
But even more importantly then, their failure to do this further comprises a failure to justify that any property of the purported banking system is ever at risk, as only might ostensibly justify purported interest.
What is so important about this of course, is that the present ever unjustifiable imposition of interest is itself is inherently terminal.
53 years ago, Mike Montagne proved, off the top of his head, that it is impossible to maintain a vital circulation (vital to sustaining the industry & commerce which are obligated to service the debt) subject to interest, without inevitably suffering a terminal sum of falsified debt.
We don't borrow money from banks, and not even the falsified laws that have been imposed upon us can demonstrate so.
Our debts are to each other.
@@MrPeaceandLiberty Self-evident is not good enough in a courtroom...you can't provide the witnesses, to answer questions under oath?
You "We the people" need to remember who is in charge in your country.. STOP letting them get away with shit like this. March on the local FBI office, and start taking their stuff illegally, like they did yours...............
Public execution for all involved "officials" that violated the law.
I like your suggestion.
Histrionics.
I always said they should bring back public hangings
I would like to think that this would never happen in my country.
So I’m like - WTF America? - How does this happen in “The land of the free?”
Anyone who thinks this IS the Land of the Free watches TV Programming too much.
Thank you for sharing
Great job protecting the rights of these victims of the jack-booted FBI Brownshirts.
When Hoover was trying to form the fbi. That they would overreach their power was a main concern of the good decent folks
It was corrupt from the very beginning.
Of course the FBI copied the hard drive before returning it. Keeping all of their personal and private information.
We all need to stand up for our constitutional rights whenever ANY of them are VIOLATED!!! If we don’t start NOW we will loose them.
If they're violated with impunity you never had them in the first place.
Let’s start giving them a taste of their own medicine.
This is the kind of thing that ALWAYS comes with the institution of "government."
FBI agents need to face jail time.
I’m interested to see if the warrant actually included the boxes or not. I suspect it was for the company’s property, and may have specifically excluded the boxes of customers. It wouldn’t make sense for a judge to sign-off on seizing the property of hundreds of citizens not part of the investigation, but it makes lots of sense that the officers carrying out the warrant would overstep it as that happens 100x every day.
My understanding of the search warrant. The Judge specifically excluded the boxes but, included the box frame. The FBI sized the box frame which included the boxes. When item are sized the FBI by policy inventoried item seized, which is the excuse the FBI used to open all the boxes. In other words they used some careful wording to by pass the Judges order.
It didn't. per the IJ's website, the warrant specifically excluded the boxes.
@@jerry8986 Did it explicitly include the frames or did the judge just not consider that the FBI might "seize" the frames because they wouldn't have any investigative value and the objects inside them are explicitly excluded from seizure.
@@LC-uh8if Correct, the warrant specifically excluded search of the boxes. FBI "Inventoried", not "Search" the boxes. The FBI use the word "inventoried" ( FBI said FBI Policy) to get around the word "search".
Congrats on keeping the government accountable
The search warrant in this case SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES the contents of the boxes. This is a blatant abuse by the government.
"Submit to an investigation before getting your possessions back." Hey, FBI, phuk you.
This is why We have the right to own a gun. NEVER trust a financial institution or you will pay dearly,sometimes with your life.
Remember, this can happen with the cloud. Keep everything local
Continue with the class action lawsuit. Include all box holders.
If I were a judge:
The individuals found responsible for this violation of civil rights would have all their properties seized and distributed to those whose rights were violated.