6:30 A "Thing" is an ancient Norse meeting, held regularly, where communities got together to make laws, administer justice, and just hang out and trade sometimes.
Every episode just keeps getting better! Can't wait for their future reactions!!!!! So glad they took notice of Arnheid's face during that scene with Ketil because imo it's important
Really cool things came to mind watching this episode, this is definitely where this arc starts to mess everything up in our heads taking on deep contours. 1. I think that all this difference between the farm owner's children creates a direct perspective of a theme that had already been treated since the beginning of the show: Fatherhood, and how fathers influence children, as well as how children do or do not learn the lessons of their parents. Although it can be enjoyed by all people, these terms resonate more with men, the way "being a man", "true warrior" is constantly used in this show certainly gives all boys many genuine things in our experience. 2. All this obligation to be strong in front of his subordinates that Ketil presents can be observed in Askeladd, during the fateful episode in which Thors dies. Askeladd certainly didn't want to do what he did to Thors, but he had a name and a high rank that compelled him to do what he did. Of course, in the end, social pressure doesn't oblige you to do anything, but going against that "obligation" is extremely difficult anyway. Being a true warrior can just mean doing what you feel is right, regardless of how strong the status quo duty is. 3. Please, it is important not to be anachronistic, too, without this the entire plot becomes somewhat obvious with everything black and white. Thors was a distinct being, ahead of his time, just watching the first episode and the entire case with the runaway slave is enough to confirm that. At the time, slavery was nothing more than normal, even making someone a slave was treated as an act of great mercy, since most slaves were obtained after a war. The losers would be killed, and then benevolence was shown to these losers while they were left alive to serve the winners. Nowadays it's an aberration, but let's see: nowadays we think it's normal to pay taxes so that politicians can control our lives. Modern slavery continues, and I hope that someday this too will be treated as absurd. PS- EDIT As mentioned in the comments below, the commercial value of slaves still drove all this a priori slavery aberration, and the role of Christianity at the time also made Thors' actions less unique in a context beyond Viking society.
Thanks for the really good points, especially on being careful about anachronism.Especially given that Vinland is written based on historical sources. Slavery was indeed the norm of the time Vinland is situated in, so most people saw it as just a part of life and very few questioned and critiqued the problematic culture of slavery. Thors was "strange" precisely because he broke out of the cultural norms that involved oppressing others.
Slavery was indeed common but you're doing some whitewashing of history here. People were valuable goods. Taking slaves while raiding was not some act of mercy, it was often one of the primary goals, just as it is portrayed in the show up until Canute's reign and the end of the Viking age. People would also be born slaves if their parents were slaves. The other primary way that people became slaves in Norse society was if they committed some crime and didn't have enough money to pay whatever penalty was incurred. This is effectively Thorfinn's case. This is the only case where slavery is at least understandable since punishment via incarceration was not always practical at the time. Thors was also not alone in his criticism of slavery. The Church was very critical of the practice at the time and from Canute's rule onward there would be a lot of pressure put on slave owners to free their slaves.
@@goclbert "The losers would be killed, and then benevolence would be shown to those losers while they were left alive to serve the winners." If you read this again, you will realize that it is perfectly coherent as a philosophical excuse. The market value is obvious and prior to any of the justifications that mitigate this aberration. The merciful vision existed and the extent to which it matched the reality of the slave owners' motivations was certainly tailored to each individual. The show shows this merciful vision through Ketil's father, who not coincidentally liked Christianity. About Thors, I also agree with you, of course. Thors is initially shown as unique, but the narrative shows the Christian vision since Canute's arrival in the plot. It's certainly possible to understand what I meant: Northern Men didn't tend to be Christian, he's unique, AT THE BEGINNING, to his in the narrative, anyway. Thanks for adding to my comment, it's always good to learn about the subject. PS-I'm not a historian btw
@@ArtesMatt You're misunderstanding. The Danish people were not at war with the English people. That's not how wars worked back then. Norsemen would independently raid England for valuable items including slaves. The English slaves weren't losers in a war, they were spoils of slaving raids. Separately, Canute was in a dispute with the king of England to rule (and consequently tax) the people in England. In addition to slavery not being a consequence of the war, it is actually ended because of it. When Canute becomes King all of the slaving raids stop as Canute is protecting his tax base.
Thors was strong and he was gentle. Ketil may be gentle and nice, but he doesn't possess the strength that Thors had, and we're talking about mental fortitude here more than physical abilities. Although he himself said that he wasn't yet a true warrior, he was on the right path. Ketil, on the other hand, is nowhere near him. Hopefully, as Askeladd told Thorfinn to go beyond where Thors went and become a true warrior at his deathbed, we will hopefully witness that somehow when the series comes to a conclusion. Keep up the good work!
This is one of the best chapters in the manga. You get to see how a majority of our cast handles this moral dilemma (barring Thorfinn and Einar). You can even look at Arnheid's facial expressions and looks at Ketil throughout. It also is very heavy on the core themes of Vinland (violence's place in Norse society). It also works as it's own separate narrative, that if separated from the rest of the season it would still function. This is something Yukimura does well as seen in Episode 14 of Season 1 (there are other examples later on in the manga).
The sad thing even with what he does later I still think he is one of the nicest guy in this show lol. All of his feared emotions just exploded at once and he did something irredeemable, very sad it ended that way
A thing,[a] also known as a folkmoot, assembly, tribal council, and by other names, was a governing assembly in early Germanic society, made up of the free people of the community presided over by a lawspeaker. Things took place at regular intervals, usually at prominent places that were accessible by travel. They provided legislative functions, as well as being social events and opportunities for trade. In modern usage, the meaning of this word in English and other languages has shifted to mean not just an assemblage of some sort but simply an object of any sort. *COPIED FROM WIKIPEDIA*
No one is really free, we are all slaves to something in this life. Vikings, kings, slaves, slave owners and large farms, English and Danes. What's the difference? None, we are all the same. Both humans and slaves to our own curses.
@@tawxic1 ah gotcha, I mean they would have got hurt way worse if Thorgil had done it instead but yeah he should have put his foot down and not bowed to pressure
Your appreciation for the story and writing and your deep after-episode discussions are all reasons I instantly click on your videos when you upload
Yea they are my best reactors
6:30 A "Thing" is an ancient Norse meeting, held regularly, where communities got together to make laws, administer justice, and just hang out and trade sometimes.
It's also where the word "thing" originates, which is a pretty cool fact
Every episode just keeps getting better! Can't wait for their future reactions!!!!!
So glad they took notice of Arnheid's face during that scene with Ketil because imo it's important
one translation i saw treated the audience as idiots.
"your arnheid understands"
instead of
"i understand"
That kid was very lucky cause Ketil is very gentle with a stick
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Yes i love ketil samas soft stick🤩🤩🤩🥰🥰🥰🤪🤪😋😋😋
Enter Thorgil, another "Thor" you don't wanna mess with.
Its always the goddamn blondes
Oh Anna..those words you've said..
Excited to see your thoughts on the future episodes
This is the best discussion of Ketil in the first half of the season that I've seen. Great video!
Really cool things came to mind watching this episode, this is definitely where this arc starts to mess everything up in our heads taking on deep contours.
1. I think that all this difference between the farm owner's children creates a direct perspective of a theme that had already been treated since the beginning of the show: Fatherhood, and how fathers influence children, as well as how children do or do not learn the lessons of their parents. Although it can be enjoyed by all people, these terms resonate more with men, the way "being a man", "true warrior" is constantly used in this show certainly gives all boys many genuine things in our experience.
2. All this obligation to be strong in front of his subordinates that Ketil presents can be observed in Askeladd, during the fateful episode in which Thors dies. Askeladd certainly didn't want to do what he did to Thors, but he had a name and a high rank that compelled him to do what he did. Of course, in the end, social pressure doesn't oblige you to do anything, but going against that "obligation" is extremely difficult anyway. Being a true warrior can just mean doing what you feel is right, regardless of how strong the status quo duty is.
3. Please, it is important not to be anachronistic, too, without this the entire plot becomes somewhat obvious with everything black and white. Thors was a distinct being, ahead of his time, just watching the first episode and the entire case with the runaway slave is enough to confirm that. At the time, slavery was nothing more than normal, even making someone a slave was treated as an act of great mercy, since most slaves were obtained after a war. The losers would be killed, and then benevolence was shown to these losers while they were left alive to serve the winners. Nowadays it's an aberration, but let's see: nowadays we think it's normal to pay taxes so that politicians can control our lives. Modern slavery continues, and I hope that someday this too will be treated as absurd.
PS- EDIT As mentioned in the comments below, the commercial value of slaves still drove all this a priori slavery aberration, and the role of Christianity at the time also made Thors' actions less unique in a context beyond Viking society.
Thanks for the really good points, especially on being careful about anachronism.Especially given that Vinland is written based on historical sources. Slavery was indeed the norm of the time Vinland is situated in, so most people saw it as just a part of life and very few questioned and critiqued the problematic culture of slavery. Thors was "strange" precisely because he broke out of the cultural norms that involved oppressing others.
Slavery was indeed common but you're doing some whitewashing of history here. People were valuable goods. Taking slaves while raiding was not some act of mercy, it was often one of the primary goals, just as it is portrayed in the show up until Canute's reign and the end of the Viking age. People would also be born slaves if their parents were slaves. The other primary way that people became slaves in Norse society was if they committed some crime and didn't have enough money to pay whatever penalty was incurred. This is effectively Thorfinn's case. This is the only case where slavery is at least understandable since punishment via incarceration was not always practical at the time.
Thors was also not alone in his criticism of slavery. The Church was very critical of the practice at the time and from Canute's rule onward there would be a lot of pressure put on slave owners to free their slaves.
@@goclbert "The losers would be killed, and then benevolence would be shown to those losers while they were left alive to serve the winners." If you read this again, you will realize that it is perfectly coherent as a philosophical excuse. The market value is obvious and prior to any of the justifications that mitigate this aberration. The merciful vision existed and the extent to which it matched the reality of the slave owners' motivations was certainly tailored to each individual. The show shows this merciful vision through Ketil's father, who not coincidentally liked Christianity.
About Thors, I also agree with you, of course. Thors is initially shown as unique, but the narrative shows the Christian vision since Canute's arrival in the plot. It's certainly possible to understand what I meant: Northern Men didn't tend to be Christian, he's unique, AT THE BEGINNING, to his in the narrative, anyway.
Thanks for adding to my comment, it's always good to learn about the subject.
PS-I'm not a historian btw
@@ArtesMatt You're misunderstanding. The Danish people were not at war with the English people. That's not how wars worked back then. Norsemen would independently raid England for valuable items including slaves. The English slaves weren't losers in a war, they were spoils of slaving raids. Separately, Canute was in a dispute with the king of England to rule (and consequently tax) the people in England. In addition to slavery not being a consequence of the war, it is actually ended because of it. When Canute becomes King all of the slaving raids stop as Canute is protecting his tax base.
If no one paid tax then how would communual services be paid for and maintained
I'm Japanese.
I love Vinland Saga!! I always enjoy your reaction!!
Season. 2 is what make this show enter between My favorites shows, the second anime that enter after attack on titan
Farmland Saga Lesgoo!!!
Vinland Saga doesn't have the cheap plot twist you'd expect.
Thors was strong and he was gentle. Ketil may be gentle and nice, but he doesn't possess the strength that Thors had, and we're talking about mental fortitude here more than physical abilities. Although he himself said that he wasn't yet a true warrior, he was on the right path. Ketil, on the other hand, is nowhere near him.
Hopefully, as Askeladd told Thorfinn to go beyond where Thors went and become a true warrior at his deathbed, we will hopefully witness that somehow when the series comes to a conclusion.
Keep up the good work!
This is one of the best chapters in the manga. You get to see how a majority of our cast handles this moral dilemma (barring Thorfinn and Einar). You can even look at Arnheid's facial expressions and looks at Ketil throughout. It also is very heavy on the core themes of Vinland (violence's place in Norse society). It also works as it's own separate narrative, that if separated from the rest of the season it would still function. This is something Yukimura does well as seen in Episode 14 of Season 1 (there are other examples later on in the manga).
R-Nade. Like a grenade
What do you mean? This IS a farming anime.
Farmland saga.
You guys gotta do the next two episodes together!!
Good thing it was ketil who gave the punishment because he would never beat someone too bad with a stick
ketil is wholesome chungus
The sad thing
even with what he does later I still think he is one of the nicest guy in this show lol. All of his feared emotions just exploded at once and he did something irredeemable, very sad it ended that way
My profile pic might speak for itself, but Arnheid is one of my favorite characters from Vinland Saga (might be my favorite).
3:23 Spoilers below!
Yes because nothing bad can happen at a farm right? RIGHT? :(
3:17 😅😅😭
Oh shit😢
Tragic tragic just tragic…
A thing,[a] also known as a folkmoot, assembly, tribal council, and by other names, was a governing assembly in early Germanic society, made up of the free people of the community presided over by a lawspeaker. Things took place at regular intervals, usually at prominent places that were accessible by travel. They provided legislative functions, as well as being social events and opportunities for trade. In modern usage, the meaning of this word in English and other languages has shifted to mean not just an assemblage of some sort but simply an object of any sort.
*COPIED FROM WIKIPEDIA*
Have you guys consider watching Ishura?
No one is really free, we are all slaves to something in this life. Vikings, kings, slaves, slave owners and large farms, English and Danes. What's the difference? None, we are all the same. Both humans and slaves to our own curses.
Did they watch the 7.5 episode?
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Ketil is so cowardly regarding the thieves' punishment.
I mean not wanting to hurt kids is very understandable
@@jemaselite8076 I meant he's cowardly BECAUSE he hurts them
@@tawxic1 ah gotcha, I mean they would have got hurt way worse if Thorgil had done it instead but yeah he should have put his foot down and not bowed to pressure
辛い話だな
Anna = u better be safe
Those who knows . . . .
Autoslow, you are really slow, please double uploads!!!!!
At least they're not filmbuff