Great comparison video. I totally agree that Motiv makes some great symmetrical balls. One of my favorites ever thrown is a Sigma Sting. That pearl cover and core simply worked really well as a good benchmark and a little step up over the Shock.
No problem Luis, I like that combo. Wife just bought me a venom shock and have not drilled it yet. Not sure what to do. Love the smoothness of the subzero. Rock on, love your channel
I'm a huge rattler fan. Rattler NU I have 4 or 5 games of 240+. The big bite in 3 leagues I have 240, 263, & 241. It's just the knock of of the venom shock. I have an og rattler now too.
Had picked up a used shock that I just couldn’t get comfortable with, got the black venom and still just didn’t match up well. Wanting the subzero, though. Forge flare was my first Motiv ball, picked up another last year and it’s still top ball in my bag. Iron forge is a good ball for me as well. It’s been hit or miss with my evoke but I’m intrigued to see that cover wrapped around the forge core coming off my hand
great ball comparison Luis my family dosent use Motiv balls including me beacause their too expensive out here in Indiana idk how expensive it is out in Vegas though see u in the league livestream tommarow
I just got my Subzero yesterday and used it for two games in my morning league. I also have had the Shock for years. I was bowling on my house's version of a THS which is just a tad drier than most probably. I'm an old guy with not a lot of speed and my first few shots headed straight for the 7 pin. I continued to move left in warmup and wound up as far left as I've ever been bowling and that was just the 1st frame. My usual game, as a stroker, is straight down the 10 board with a small hook into the pocket. No way with this ball. Nevertheless, I managed a 212, 183 start with this ball and while it really hooks, it hits like a ton of bricks. Kaboom on every pocket hit and not one 10 pin. It was too much by the 3rd game and I switched to the Shock but left a lot of 10 pins (again). I think if I were a little younger or a little stronger, I might have made it through the 3rd game. I bought the Subzero mostly for looks (may be the best looking ball ever!) but was very impressed with its performance. Can't wait for the evening league Monday when more oil should be on the lanes. Methinks a speed dominant bowler would love this ball. Looks great, smooth as silk, and hits like a piledriver. What more could want?
My first motiv ball was subzero forge. Definitely love it with the same passion as my gb5. I absolutely love symmetrical solids as a more speed dominant bowler
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As a low rev bowler, the Primal Shock suits me better then the Venom Shock. I also seem to do better with a-syms like the Jackal Ghost and the Crimson Jackal (my favorite ball at the moment). The Sub Zero does look great though. Might be better on the fresh for me then the Primal Shock. Motiv Lou motavated me to buy one (once I have saved up enough to buy a new ball)
MOTIV LOU!!!!! Also I don't know how often you do dv8 but they have been making really solid balls with good versatility in the past year or so, being straight bowler I like the smooth reactions and some being a little early feels good because I mainly use urethane on house shot, yet to try sport though since I started varsity bowling 2 years ago.
I have drilled 1 venom shock and i didnt like it but i am thinking of giving it a chance again because i wasnt consistent or capable of doing the things i can now as a bowler
I love a big symmetrical solid. I have the Revolt Uprising and it's a beast. For me the GOAT is the Stealth solid. If the Stealth were made by Hammer, Storm, or Motiv it would get more love. Motiv Lou aint got sh*t on Timmy Track.
What's happening? Lou, was this the mode of Sub-Zero work? Good with the venom shock? You know the black one? Please respond. Thanks. Appreciate it. Take care. Great video as always
@LuisNapoles oh hello Lou, I was talking about the motiv venom the black one with the gold snake on it. How does that compare to the Sub-Zero freeze? Thank you!
Just picked up the Venom Shock. Drilled pin down, using it for short oil sport shot. Love that Motiv Lou is throwing the brand again.
You will always be Motiv Lou to me
Motiv Lou! Here’s back! Glad to see you throwing Motiv
My Venom Shock is the go to for any game or lane condition. Thinking about getting the Forge. Thanks a lot for the video.
Motive Loe, you're the MAN, awesome video of the two different bowling balls, love watching you on TV!!
Great comparison video. I totally agree that Motiv makes some great symmetrical balls. One of my favorites ever thrown is a Sigma Sting. That pearl cover and core simply worked really well as a good benchmark and a little step up over the Shock.
Motiv Lou! Great having you reviewing Motiv stuff again. I watch all your videos! I miss my Desert Tank I bet you do too :(
No problem Luis, I like that combo. Wife just bought me a venom shock and have not drilled it yet. Not sure what to do. Love the smoothness of the subzero. Rock on, love your channel
I'm a huge rattler fan. Rattler NU I have 4 or 5 games of 240+. The big bite in 3 leagues I have 240, 263, & 241. It's just the knock of of the venom shock. I have an og rattler now too.
Picking up my sub zero tomorrow! Looks great! I have a black venom and must say I don’t love it ! But the EXJ Venom is great ball!
Had picked up a used shock that I just couldn’t get comfortable with, got the black venom and still just didn’t match up well. Wanting the subzero, though. Forge flare was my first Motiv ball, picked up another last year and it’s still top ball in my bag. Iron forge is a good ball for me as well. It’s been hit or miss with my evoke but I’m intrigued to see that cover wrapped around the forge core coming off my hand
Thanks for you vids you rock. Iam wondering what average speed you rolling those 2 balls ?
Cool video talk tech bowling ball motiv bowling balls Luis napoles
Motiv Lou. I tried the black venom and hyper venom and neither were good for me. But I'll watch every ball review vid you put out!
Love the comparison videos
Suggestion for league tonight Luis I’d probably bring both the Subzero Forge and Venom Shock with The One Reverb.
Good morning Luis Napoles
Try the ebonite gb5 I have it and it's great
How would you compare Subzero Forge to the Primal Shock(is it the same). Different by surface
I think you should compare the Venom Shock to the IQ Tour Solid and compare the Subzero Forge to the new Sublime Focus.
What’s the drilling on the sub zero? Pin up or down?
How do you think the Sub Zero compares to the Forge Flare. Which cover is earlier?
I’m getting ready to get a new ball for league. I’m between the Subzero Forge or Ion Max or Optimum Idol Pearl.
great ball comparison Luis my family dosent use Motiv balls including me beacause their too expensive out here in Indiana idk how expensive it is out in Vegas though see u in the league livestream tommarow
MotivLou is baaaaack!!! I'd like to see the Crimson vs the SubZero...can't decide which to go with for fresh (low rev speed dominant)
I 100% agree. The Subzero Forge on the fresh and once that goes away, move to the Venom Shock.
I just got my Subzero yesterday and used it for two games in my morning league. I also have had the Shock for years. I was bowling on my house's version of a THS which is just a tad drier than most probably. I'm an old guy with not a lot of speed and my first few shots headed straight for the 7 pin. I continued to move left in warmup and wound up as far left as I've ever been bowling and that was just the 1st frame. My usual game, as a stroker, is straight down the 10 board with a small hook into the pocket. No way with this ball. Nevertheless, I managed a 212, 183 start with this ball and while it really hooks, it hits like a ton of bricks. Kaboom on every pocket hit and not one 10 pin. It was too much by the 3rd game and I switched to the Shock but left a lot of 10 pins (again). I think if I were a little younger or a little stronger, I might have made it through the 3rd game. I bought the Subzero mostly for looks (may be the best looking ball ever!) but was very impressed with its performance. Can't wait for the evening league Monday when more oil should be on the lanes. Methinks a speed dominant bowler would love this ball. Looks great, smooth as silk, and hits like a piledriver. What more could want?
What is the oil pattern?
How's this going to behave compared to the road? Just picked up the road and it's violent for me.
I have the Evoke and the GOAT.. Do I eally need the Sub Zero?
Great Video Motiv Lou you need to do a troubleshooting 101 jopo grips video if possible?
My first motiv ball was subzero forge. Definitely love it with the same passion as my gb5. I absolutely love symmetrical solids as a more speed dominant bowler
You'll love the Ghost, Shock, or Dynasty then too.
Was motiv part of the reason you became a "free agent"?
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As a low rev bowler, the Primal Shock suits me better then the Venom Shock. I also seem to do better with a-syms like the Jackal Ghost and the Crimson Jackal (my favorite ball at the moment).
The Sub Zero does look great though. Might be better on the fresh for me then the Primal Shock. Motiv Lou motavated me to buy one (once I have saved up enough to buy a new ball)
Great comparison of two balls.
MOTIV LOU!!!!! Also I don't know how often you do dv8 but they have been making really solid balls with good versatility in the past year or so, being straight bowler I like the smooth reactions and some being a little early feels good because I mainly use urethane on house shot, yet to try sport though since I started varsity bowling 2 years ago.
I have the shock and getting the forge.
I have drilled 1 venom shock and i didnt like it but i am thinking of giving it a chance again because i wasnt consistent or capable of doing the things i can now as a bowler
Motiv Lou is BACK! One question I have is what your thoughts are between the Venom Shock and Phaze 2?
Where would the Nuclear Forge fit between these two?
Motiv Lou with the Motiv balls looking good for you. It is almost like it's meant to be...
Axiom vibes?
I love a big symmetrical solid. I have the Revolt Uprising and it's a beast. For me the GOAT is the Stealth solid. If the Stealth were made by Hammer, Storm, or Motiv it would get more love. Motiv Lou aint got sh*t on Timmy Track.
Let’s go Motiv Lou!
What's happening? Lou, was this the mode of Sub-Zero work? Good with the venom shock? You know the black one? Please respond. Thanks. Appreciate it. Take care. Great video as always
I don’t understand your question!
@LuisNapoles oh hello Lou, I was talking about the motiv venom the black one with the gold snake on it. How does that compare to the Sub-Zero freeze? Thank you!
Motiv Sub Zero vs Sublime Focus
Heard some pop from you also
I don't have any motiv balls but if I did I would get a venom shock, ghost, and the subzero.
Are you on staff with Motiv?
Seems like you could play anywhere perfect or not....lanes seem fairly neutral and easy to get ready and do comparison
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Motiv bowling should reconsider MotivLou
Motiv Lou ^ 100
also does chris stones bowl any leagues?
Who’s the better bowler, you are Big Mike?
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Motiv Lou!!!!
I got 5 balls of the venom line.
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Motiv Lou! I need to drill me a Venom Shock
I just think the Venom Shock is ugly. Thats why i wont buy one
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